Legal Muzzleloader Upgrade Just in Time for Colorado Elk Season
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- This video is about upgrading my Thompson Center muzzleloader with a Western Precision Muzzleloading Set by Williams Gunsight Company. I detail installation, adjustments, and put a couple rounds down range. This is in preparation of the 2020 Colorado elk season.
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Sticking with my open sights never failed me yet good video
Thank you! I really like the sight picture these sights offer. For states like Colorado that are more restrictive I think they are a great addition.
Great video. Thanks
Thank you for watching! Good luck this fall. I’m headed out to Colorado in September for a muzzy deer hunt.
Wondering if just a dot of truglow paint on the crosshairs would help in those dark timber times? I have some of these on order.
I think that might help. One of my buddies that has a set mentioned doing that modification as well.
Sweet, nice sights.
Yes very! I couldn’t be happier with them. Also Williams Gunsight and muzzle-loaders.com had exceptional customer service!
Great vid!!! I have a quick question. Did you do anything behand to sight it in? I have a TC 50cal Bone Collector, that shot great with a scope but i cant seem to dial it in with this sight. Any tips would be appciated brother!## Subbed!!👍👍👍
Thank you for watching! Man I didn’t do anything outside of just trying to eyeball the rear adjustment to try and get as close to midline as possible. I also tried to position the rear sight so that when I am looking through the peep the outline of the peep is matching perfectly with the outline of the front sight. I think consistency with the sight comes from building in cues prior to taking the shot. Once I got my gun shooting basically in the middle of the target a few inches high at 50 yards, I started slowly moving back and micro adjusting the rear peep until I was consistently on target at 100. My cues that I check for prior to the shot include making sure my cheek is positioned correctly and in the same place on the stock, checking my cantering, making sure my peep outline is matching my front globe outline. I’m sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. Continue to shoot, shoot, shoot. Repetitively setting up and getting into position and just learning the holdover and so forth will get you as consistent as you are going to get with open sites. To me it’s like shooting a BB gun as a kid. If you shoot enough it’ll start becoming second nature on holdover. I hope this helps! Good luck bud!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 You are the man, thanks for the reply. I will try some of your tips. 👍👍👍
I think that is my issue. I have the rear peep mounted to far back. I will move it forward and give it a go!!!
@jdsrcs8061 any luck with getting your sight setup dialed in? Once you get that dude shooting well at 100 yards I’d recommend doing a little shooting from angles. You probably aren’t going to be able to practice shooting upwards due to safety issues but shooting angled down is helpful and relates to conditions in the field. I have a barn with a peak height of about 30 feet. I get up there and practice making some shots at extreme angles.
@@murrayfarmranch8447 Thanks for checking in!!! Im finally getting a chance to head out this morning. I plan on staying out for a good while and take lots of shots. I will let you know!!!!👍👍👍
Good review. What bullets are you shorting to hit that pop can? I have a bunch of illegal bullets for CO. Want to get the correct ones the first try for my first muzzle hunt out there this year. Thanks in advance
I’m sorry you said it in the video. What Williams sight did you have on before this one?
The sight set I had originally upgraded to was the Williams Firesight open sight set which had a fiber optic front and rear element. They are great sights but I felt like the front fiber optic was too large and covered too much of the target at long ranges. I am shooting Copper 295 grain Aerotip Powerbelts. Those seem to shoot well in my rifle out to 250 yards and past that I don’t don’t feel comfortable with open sights. The muzzy season is a great time to be in Colorado. It’s my favorite season to chase elk. Good luck and thanks for watching!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 that is what I am worried about the front sight being to big. The new models of muzzleloader don’t come with sights on it just the holes for them. Also all of these precision sites are out of stock. I would like to try one but can’t find it and also will it block my view with the scope on the muzzle? Do you take it off everytime or have 2 muzzles one with a scope for deer. And one with the precision sight?
In Colorado a scope on a muzzleloader is illegal altogether so I have a dedicated rifle for states that are restrictive and another for states that allow scopes. Muzzleloaders are relatively inexpensive so I went that route verses having to re-sight my scope in each year.
As far as availability... they were out of stock when I got mine too. I called Williams gunsight and they led me to muzzle-loaders.com and they were available with quick shipping at that time.
Any idea how well it would work in a scabbard? I do a lot of horseback hunting and I'm concerned it would get stuck in the scabbard
I do think there would be some risk putting it in and pulling it out. The sight is pretty sturdy and covered with the globe but the internals are pretty thin and I do think would break without a ton of pressure applied.
I would just use a pinpoint it's even better. One little red Dot. You don't miss
Just ordered a set for my smoke pole.
Did you get your Elk?
Final verdict on the sights?
I did. On the 3rd day of the hunt I harvested what would have been a 6X6. He was broke up a little so I call him a 4x6. Still a great bull for public land.
I am a fan of the sights. I think that because the front crosshair is so narrow that it gives you a better sight picture at longer distances. I do think getting one set up and practicing the holdovers is key. All in all I give it 2 thumbs up and will always have a muzzleloader set up with one that is dedicated to the states with stricter muzzleloader regulations!
New Mexico is changing laws for the next 4 years and we will NO longer be able to use scopes on muzzies. That being said I am in the market for an open sight. Yours is the 3rd vid I watched, and I have 1 question….did you field clean the barrel every shot , or thoroughly clean the barrel every shot?
No, blackthorn 209 shoots so much cleaner than pydrodex I can get away with cleaning every 4 or 5 shots. Typically what I would do is shoot a group of 4 then clean and shoot anther group of 4. Hope that helps.
@@murrayfarmranch8447 sweet, thanks. That’s what I use also. Only difference in our load out is I use 300gr. Hornandy SST.
I like the SST bullet. I use it in two hunting rifles a 30/06 and a 300 Win Mag. I’ve killed a moose with the 300 and several elk with the 06.
Hello thanks for the video so this sight are legal in Washington state I wanna try this 2022 elk season ?
Yes sir. I have a buddy that lives in Washington State and used it on a mulie last fall!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 nice thanks for your help
How is the sight picture at close range in low light? I have seen a few videos showing long range capabilities which is great but if you have something at 40-50 yards in close in the timber do you think you'd have any issue? Looking at picking one of these up when they're back in stock but that's my biggest concern. Thanks for the video!
To me the sight picture is altogether different than with a fiber optic front pin. The sight that was on my muzzleloader prior to upgrading was a fiber optic upgrade from Williams. I believe that I like it a little better at super close range because of how bright the front fiber optic is and how easy it is to locate the target. The precision set is so thin and lacks illumination making it a little harder to pick out in lower light conditions. I did kind of test this out right at dark on a cow that came in. I ranged her at 60 yards and put the reticle on her. I could see her but barely. That being said though, the elk pictured in the thumbnail was taken with this rifle this year. He was killed at 38 yards at a steep angle on a fairly dark north facing slope. I think that with practice that the precision sight becomes more valuable because it extends the range to such a degree. If you get one I’d recommend getting it early and practicing in low light conditions so you can get a feel for it. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed in it from an extending your range point of view. Hope that helps!
@@murrayfarmranch8447 Thanks for the response. I have also been looking at ghost rings. Seems like up close it could be better but you lose long range precision. I guess there isn't a perfect solution.
looking at the XS ghost ring to be specific
I don’t have any experience with the ghost ring set. Yes I agree, with the states that are more rigid in the muzzleloader regulations you have to give up something somewhere but honestly though my hunts with a muzzleloader out West have been awesome. Lots of bugling bulls, tons of action and pretty reasonable shots for the most part. I think that no matter what you choose if you spend lots of range time getting comfortable with your set up you’ll be headed in the right direction. Good luck and good hunting!
Did you hunt NW or SW CO ? Private or BLM ? I lived there in 90s, took 8 elk in 8 yrs. Went back in 2015, never heard a bull bugle in 9 days. Saw only 2 cows, was over by Saguache. Should have went into wilderness area. Those sites are da bomb.
I put this sight on my Accura and it sucks in low light or in the timber. The reticle will completely disappear with any dark background and low light.
I agree that you give up illumination by going to a super thin reticle without fiber optics. My thoughts on this are that in super thick timber and really low light I’m probably not shooting extreme distances and what I gain from extending range by not covering the target up with a large fiber optic is better for my particular usage. The bull I killed this year was in super thick timber on a north face. He was at 37 yards and I had no trouble seeing his kill zone. Thanks for the feedback and I agree completely that your sight picture is altogether different in low light.
Hi Jess. I would be willing to buy your sight from you if you're willing to sell it. Let me know.
What muzzleloader are you using? Good videos thanks
That is a Thompson Center Omega. It’s been an excellent muzzleloader. I recently won a CVA Optima at a NWTF banquet. I’m excited to get that on the range.
@@murrayfarmranch8447good video have the cva optima
I live in New Mexico so now have to pull the scope off!
Did you put the williams on the optima and if so how did it perform?
@Brumasterj I did. I prefer the Optima. It’s a little lighter. I like the break over mechanism better in the Optima. The button is smaller and doesn’t get caught on clothing. I’m shooting 75 grains of Blackhorn (by weight not volume) and the Hornady Eldx bullet. It’s shooting 1.5” groups at 100 yards. I’ll get to try it out next week on a muzzleloader deer hunt in Colorado!
I put one on my encore and can't get enough elevation adjustment out of it
I wonder if there is a ramp you can buy that can increase the height? On my TC there is room to spare.
@@murrayfarmranch8447 im calling them tuesday when they reopen
Shim the front sight
Looks like a nice sight. By the way, "Sabot" is a French word. It is pronounced "say bow"
Thank you! It is a nice sight. Ready to get to use it on the Colorado opener! I sure put an Oklahoma spin on the pronunciation of that word didn’t I! Lol
This ain't French class. In America it's pronounced "Sabot"
How'd it go? I'll be in a zone near vail. I live here, and would be happy to chat with anyone interested in making an overnight trek into the Gore Range starting 09/10. Finding some nice bulls already!
I killed the bull in the thumbnail pic on that hunt. There was a lot of action on that hunt. This year me and my buddies drew a unit 39 tag in Wyoming. Can’t wait to get to the mountains!
I read that you have to have a 54cal or bigger to hunt elk in Colorado
If you are using a round ball then that is true. If you are hunting with a conical bullet then 50 cal is legal. Conical bullets definitely have an advantage over round balls in my opinion. The muzzleloader regs are on page 14 of the 2021 Big Game Resource and that is written there.
I personally think that you should be required to hunt with a round ball in a traditional black powder rifle and should show that you are proficient with that rifle just saying as I'm a native Coloradan and believe that the Colorado parks and recreation have ruined hunting in Colorado and continue to ruin the hunting with the introduction of the timber wolf that isn't native to colorado instead of the grey wolf that was
I am not a native Coloradan but I agree with you that the introduction of wolves was a bad idea. They were slowly expanding range without human interference. As far as the method of take, I just follow whatever rules the state sets. There are hunts in Oklahoma that are recurve archery only. If I draw that hunt, I practice year round to feel confident in my ability. I would do the same with muzzleloader. As the rules are set, an inline, with conical bullet, and iron sights is legal and that is what I am proficient with. Thank you for watching.
I'm not suggesting that you a wrong for hunting with an in-line I just believe that if you are going to use a black powder rifle that I think it should be a traditional one just my opinion some states you have to use a flintlock I don't agree with the state of Colorado's 54 cal or larger I believe that they should have set a standard of skill instead because if you don't have the skills for proficient shot placement then there will still be a lot of wounded animals I've hunted with a 50 cal for years and never wounded animal killing the animal with one well placed shot and have taught my ex-wife and present wife to be as well skilled not trying to brag just was taught that way by my father and uncles and then in the US Army
Yes sir I understand. Honestly I feel the same way. I prefer things to be that way too. I think there is a lost art with actual woodsmanship and being proficient with our hunting tools. That said though, when I hunt a place I typically will put myself on a level playing field with the rest of the hunters. My inline with black horn 209, 209 primers, 50 cal power belts, etc is pretty deadly out to 200 yards but I’ve actually never needed to shoot further than 100 yards during elk season. If they were to change to the regs and require traditional flintlock, round balls, and so forth believe me I’d have one and I’d be shooting it weekly to get proficient with it. Happy hunting!
Might want to get better microphone or during edit turn your volume up. Have headset on barely can hear you. Video was awesome though
Thank you for watching and for the feedback. We are trying to improve video quality. We are filming all of our videos on an iPhone making sound an issue. Hope the video was of some help to you. I couldn’t be more pleased with the sight.