my client had got his machined switched to a gotek or similar floppy emulator I was able to get it working by purchasing 2.0 4gb usb drives then I formatted the drives to fat format after I had to use this software called Floppy Emulation Manager Tool V3.500 then I was able to format that usb into a 1.44mb usb drive which seems to make it think it’s still a floppy and let’s it communicate with it with no issues I’m able to read and write into the usb drive.
Hi Thanks for the info, it seems my main issue with numbering and naming was down to the floppy software version on the machine, but i had done exactly as you said and ised the same floppy emulator software it just seems my software version still did not like it but after all that i did work out a solution so all is well Thanks Marc
I have a VF0 that did NOT come with floppy. I have a gotek floppy emulator. Any recommendations on getting flash drive capability? Thanks for the video!
Hi I’m afraid I’m not sure what you need to do regarding software to enable the floppy option or whether you Have to get the unlock code from Haas What happens if you try and change the BIT from a zero to a 1 in the parameters
Hi, are you able to back up all parameters to USB from this machine like in your other video on the other machine showing the set by set how to? I have a 2002 super mini mill which has a similar I/O list when i try to send all parameters and settings i cant get past the bit where you type in the machine serial number. Thanks 👍
Hi Yes i was always able to back up my machine as normal without an issue via the usb on the vf3, i cant do a video of it specifically now as i have done the maincon control upgrade on the machine now
@@kinzy_fabrications thanks for the reply, really appreciate it. I managed to do it 1 at a time in the end. Turns out my emulator needed to set to 0.0 I followed the instructions in the Haas vf manual on page 85. It would be nice to work out how to do a mass backup like you have shown in the video.
An update on something you mentioned - renaming the file, you said the file copied to the clone floppy disk you couldn't change the extension .NC. You can right click on the file and open the properties for the file. You can change the extension in there, it will grumble and tell you the world will end if you change the extension etc (typical windows) but you can do it.
Hi Thanks for the heads up, since i have changed both the controls i don't need to worry about that side of it anymore but its good to have in the comments for anybody else reading this in the future Marc
I can only use RS-232 on my ancient '91 VF-1. v12.1 ? (USB to 232 adapter in the laptop) Even it gives me fits once in a while. I did add a DB-9 To the side of my pendant and ran a cable to the rear board to make life easier. I had to mess with all the settings to finally get connectivity. DTE/DCE, x-on, x-off etc. Fyi, the "EOF" alarm means End Of Frame.
Great Job on all the videos!!! Also I think you have found a software bug in the os of that version. i would guess that the disk format has something to do with the file name corruption in the dir listing, if you call HAAS and give them the serial of the machine they would know if that is a known problem and any work arounds. The SYSTEM~1 is a directory generated during a disk format or file write on a win10 system and can be ignored. 11/28/2022 01:24 PM SYSTEM~1 System Volume Information i would suggest to save the file as O71234 or whatever numbers you want and no extension that might work, also the first character in the file name is a O not a zero just like the in the start of the file header, never use O9?????? that's for the system files on a haas, I have a 1991 vf1 and a 2001 vf2 and that’s how i do it on the vf2 sw version 12.?? to edit the extension of a file in win 10 - open file explorer and select view and check the show file extension box and it will show the .ext's in the file list and let you change them to whatever you want ie .nc .txt or nothing, just don't play with the system files on the C: drive Mitch
Hi So I have tried what you say this morning and it did not work, I found the option in w10 under the view tab to show file extensions and I removed the .Nc but that did not work, I also tried renaming the file as the internal file number for example the letter O12345 and the letter O1234 but neither 4 or 5 digit names would show either. Also I tried renaming as a .txt file but that didn’t work either so maybe as said it is just a software bug Thanks Marc
@@kinzy_fabrications I learned new ways to open files, thanks. I entered a comment on your previous video twice on what works for me, but I guess RUclips wouldn't post either one was at 6am cst the other was at 12p cst. You have always replied to my comments so I went back to verify there were issues. RUclips is both awesome and terrible. End of my ranting, thanks for teaching me a new trick.
@@joem5383 RUclips will shadow ban (and remove) comments seemingly randomly - it didn't like something you said in the comment, and it will just disappear into the ether - just one of the many wonderful things about youtube. Once it removes one comment of yours on a video, it will just silently remove all of them that you post after too - you're just DONE for that video! All hail the google censorship machine!
Hi Glad that worked for you, yeah I have checked but couldn’t find the comments, I try to reply to everyone who takes the time to respond to a video, it must be a RUclips issue as sometime the number of comments stated on my videos doesn’t match the actual number of comments when I read through so some obviously go missing or get randomly filtered out? Apologies
I have two identical 1997 VF3 machines emulator works fine on one but I've never been able to get it work properly on the other either it throws alarms or transfers programs all corrupted.. I've replaced it as well as different USB sticks it's got to be an issue with the control.... I've since just went to using RS232 way faster anyways 🙃
Hi Yeah usb seems to be very machine dependant on these older vf machines, I must admit I have almost no experience with the RS232 so can’t comment on that just yet Everyone seems to prefer it though so il give it a look when I get some time Thanks Marc
Why not connect the cnc machine's to a local network, where every machine can pick up there program from, then you don't have to mess around with usb sticks.👍😎
In windows, in the folder, click the view menu, then check off "file name extensions", then you'll be able to see the .NC extension, and you'll be able to remove it. I think once you remove the .nc extension, it will show up much easier on the machine. You need to turn off all the "helpful" windows stupidity that hides the full filename in attempt to make computers "easier".
@@kinzy_fabrications Any windows explorer folder - you can do it where you export the NC file from the post processor, or you can do it on the USB drive. You should actually change that setting for all folders so you can see the full filenames with extensions everywhere on your computer. I mentioned it in my comments on the other video too, but I primarily use Linux, so wasn't sure where they moved that option to now - I checked on my work laptop today which is windows 10, and it's now on the toolbar when you click the "view" menu - it used to be buried in the folder display options dialog box. Every version of windows now they seem to needlessly move all those settings around.
@@gorak9000 Hi Ok so I missed it in the last video comments, I miss understood I have gone in this morning and I ticked that box to show the file extensions. If I remove the .Nc the file still does not show up, I also tried calling it .txt and that didn’t work, I also tried changing the file name to O12345 and also O1234 and the 4 or 5 digits made no difference either Never mind, at least I know that I can find the file the way I demonstrated in the video Thanks Marc
@@kinzy_fabrications That's really really bizarre. Like other people have mentioned, have you tried contacting Haas and asking them if there's some weird bug with that version of the software on that machine? That seems like there's a real issue in the software reading files from disks in that version or something (but knowing Haas, they'll probably charge you an arm and a leg to upgrade the machine from the ancient version to a slightly less ancient version). If you have a working method, that might just be the best to stick to that, as weird and inconvenient as it is.
@@gorak9000 Him Yeah exactly as you say Haas will probably want a lot of money to change any software and Having to name the file vf3 each time is really not an issue so I’m happy to live with it as it is, thank you for all your help and suggestions though and if I ever figure it out properly il be sure to post an updated video Thanks Marc
my client had got his machined switched to a gotek or similar floppy emulator I was able to get it working by purchasing 2.0 4gb usb drives then I formatted the drives to fat format after I had to use this software called Floppy Emulation Manager Tool V3.500 then I was able to format that usb into a 1.44mb usb drive which seems to make it think it’s still a floppy and let’s it communicate with it with no issues I’m able to read and write into the usb drive.
Hi
Thanks for the info, it seems my main issue with numbering and naming was down to the floppy software version on the machine, but i had done exactly as you said and ised the same floppy emulator software it just seems my software version still did not like it but after all that i did work out a solution so all is well
Thanks
Marc
I have a VF0 that did NOT come with floppy. I have a gotek floppy emulator. Any recommendations on getting flash drive capability? Thanks for the video!
Hi
I’m afraid I’m not sure what you need to do regarding software to enable the floppy option or whether you Have to get the unlock code from Haas
What happens if you try and change the BIT from a zero to a 1 in the parameters
Hi, are you able to back up all parameters to USB from this machine like in your other video on the other machine showing the set by set how to?
I have a 2002 super mini mill which has a similar I/O list when i try to send all parameters and settings i cant get past the bit where you type in the machine serial number.
Thanks 👍
Hi
Yes i was always able to back up my machine as normal without an issue via the usb on the vf3, i cant do a video of it specifically now as i have done the maincon control upgrade on the machine now
@@kinzy_fabrications thanks for the reply, really appreciate it.
I managed to do it 1 at a time in the end. Turns out my emulator needed to set to 0.0
I followed the instructions in the Haas vf manual on page 85.
It would be nice to work out how to do a mass backup like you have shown in the video.
An update on something you mentioned - renaming the file, you said the file copied to the clone floppy disk you couldn't change the extension .NC. You can right click on the file and open the properties for the file. You can change the extension in there, it will grumble and tell you the world will end if you change the extension etc (typical windows) but you can do it.
Hi
Thanks for the heads up, since i have changed both the controls i don't need to worry about that side of it anymore but its good to have in the comments for anybody else reading this in the future
Marc
I can only use RS-232 on my ancient '91 VF-1. v12.1 ? (USB to 232 adapter in the laptop) Even it gives me fits once in a while. I did add a DB-9 To the side of my pendant and ran a cable to the rear board to make life easier. I had to mess with all the settings to finally get connectivity. DTE/DCE, x-on, x-off etc.
Fyi, the "EOF" alarm means End Of Frame.
Thanks for the info, luckily I’m still using the usb floppy emulator so have not had to delve into the world of the rs232 cables yet
Thanks
Marc
Great Job on all the videos!!! Also I think you have found a software bug in the os of that version.
i would guess that the disk format has something to do with the file name corruption in the dir listing, if you call HAAS and
give them the serial of the machine they would know if that is a known problem and any work arounds.
The SYSTEM~1 is a directory generated during a disk format or file write on a win10 system and can be ignored.
11/28/2022 01:24 PM SYSTEM~1 System Volume Information
i would suggest to save the file as O71234 or whatever numbers you want and no extension that might work, also the first character
in the file name is a O not a zero just like the in the start of the file header, never use O9?????? that's for the system files on a haas,
I have a 1991 vf1 and a 2001 vf2 and that’s how i do it on the vf2 sw version 12.??
to edit the extension of a file in win 10 - open file explorer and select view and check the show file extension box and it will show the .ext's in the file list and let you change them to whatever you want ie .nc .txt or nothing, just don't play with the system files on the C: drive
Mitch
Hi
Thank you for the info I will double check this when back in the work shop
Thanks
Marc
Hi
So I have tried what you say this morning and it did not work, I found the option in w10 under the view tab to show file extensions and I removed the .Nc but that did not work, I also tried renaming the file as the internal file number for example the letter O12345 and the letter O1234 but neither 4 or 5 digit names would show either. Also I tried renaming as a .txt file but that didn’t work either so maybe as said it is just a software bug
Thanks
Marc
@andermma. Can you message me re. Your '91 VF-1 ? I have the same and we need to stick together. I may have a few questions for ya
firmware on floppy emulator? just an idea....thanks for the videos
Hi
Your welcome
I tried swapping the emulators between machines and it still didn’t work so I think the problem is in the machine software
Thanks
Marc
Good work, I'll try the file name on mine now to see if it will work
Thanks, let me know if it also works for you
Thanks
Marc
@@kinzy_fabrications
I learned new ways to open files, thanks. I entered a comment on your previous video twice on what works for me, but I guess RUclips wouldn't post either one was at 6am cst the other was at 12p cst. You have always replied to my comments so I went back to verify there were issues. RUclips is both awesome and terrible. End of my ranting, thanks for teaching me a new trick.
@@joem5383 RUclips will shadow ban (and remove) comments seemingly randomly - it didn't like something you said in the comment, and it will just disappear into the ether - just one of the many wonderful things about youtube. Once it removes one comment of yours on a video, it will just silently remove all of them that you post after too - you're just DONE for that video! All hail the google censorship machine!
Hi
Glad that worked for you, yeah I have checked but couldn’t find the comments, I try to reply to everyone who takes the time to respond to a video, it must be a RUclips issue as sometime the number of comments stated on my videos doesn’t match the actual number of comments when I read through so some obviously go missing or get randomly filtered out?
Apologies
I have two identical 1997 VF3 machines emulator works fine on one but I've never been able to get it work properly on the other either it throws alarms or transfers programs all corrupted.. I've replaced it as well as different USB sticks it's got to be an issue with the control.... I've since just went to using RS232 way faster anyways 🙃
Hi
Yeah usb seems to be very machine dependant on these older vf machines, I must admit I have almost no experience with the RS232 so can’t comment on that just yet
Everyone seems to prefer it though so il give it a look when I get some time
Thanks
Marc
Why not connect the cnc machine's to a local network, where every machine can pick up there program from, then you don't have to mess around with usb sticks.👍😎
That’s something that I may look into in the near future
It has no network adapter.
Have you tried renaming the usb
Hi
Yeah I tried it all and didn’t make any difference, I’m positive it’s a software problem on this specific machine
Thanks
Marc
In windows, in the folder, click the view menu, then check off "file name extensions", then you'll be able to see the .NC extension, and you'll be able to remove it. I think once you remove the .nc extension, it will show up much easier on the machine. You need to turn off all the "helpful" windows stupidity that hides the full filename in attempt to make computers "easier".
Hi
Thanks I will try this today,
When you say in the folder, which one do you mean? The usb folder?
Thanks
Marc
@@kinzy_fabrications Any windows explorer folder - you can do it where you export the NC file from the post processor, or you can do it on the USB drive. You should actually change that setting for all folders so you can see the full filenames with extensions everywhere on your computer. I mentioned it in my comments on the other video too, but I primarily use Linux, so wasn't sure where they moved that option to now - I checked on my work laptop today which is windows 10, and it's now on the toolbar when you click the "view" menu - it used to be buried in the folder display options dialog box. Every version of windows now they seem to needlessly move all those settings around.
@@gorak9000 Hi
Ok so I missed it in the last video comments, I miss understood
I have gone in this morning and I ticked that box to show the file extensions. If I remove the .Nc the file still does not show up, I also tried calling it .txt and that didn’t work, I also tried changing the file name to O12345 and also O1234 and the 4 or 5 digits made no difference either
Never mind, at least I know that I can find the file the way I demonstrated in the video
Thanks
Marc
@@kinzy_fabrications That's really really bizarre. Like other people have mentioned, have you tried contacting Haas and asking them if there's some weird bug with that version of the software on that machine? That seems like there's a real issue in the software reading files from disks in that version or something (but knowing Haas, they'll probably charge you an arm and a leg to upgrade the machine from the ancient version to a slightly less ancient version). If you have a working method, that might just be the best to stick to that, as weird and inconvenient as it is.
@@gorak9000 Him
Yeah exactly as you say Haas will probably want a lot of money to change any software and Having to name the file vf3 each time is really not an issue so I’m happy to live with it as it is, thank you for all your help and suggestions though and if I ever figure it out properly il be sure to post an updated video
Thanks
Marc
From wich year is this haas vf3?
My vf3 is a 1997 if I remember right
hi marc how are you
good thank you 👍