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How WHEEL/TIRE sizes Affect Comfort, Feel & Performance - 4K - FM Live w Keith Tanner 4-11-24
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
- Wheels and tires are an easy way to freshen up your Miata’s looks, but can really change the feel of your Miata.
This week on FM Live, Keith Tanner talks about how your wheel and tire size choices actually affect the feel, performance and comfort of your car.
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Great camerawork on this one, no shakiness, no blurriness, no funny aspect ratios, and overall great at showing what the host is talking about! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
It took him a while but I think he's gett'n the hang of it now. 😆
Thank you for posting the wide version of the video. I like to watch on my computer.
Thanks for watching!
Astheticaly I have always liked 15" wheels best on a Miata, so it was great to hear that's possible on an ND with proper choices of wheel model and offset.
Yeah, it's not for everyone, but it's a good option if you have all the right bits that play together.
these tech vids are appreciated
especially the ones with an NC in the background,... (?)
There is no NC in this video.
@@christophermeraz-matawhite car in the back is definitely NC gen Miata
@@gz617 Didn't even see it. I'm blind to the NC! I literally thought there were only three cars in the frame.
@@christophermeraz-mata Many are blind to the NC, until they realize what they're missing! Metaphorically and literally as well in your case lol. My 06 GT reminds me of my 97 NA and I couldn't be happier with it. Don't sleep on the NC's!
Kieth, I took your advice and picked up a set of yokahama Adven Vleva V701's 195/ 50 / 15. For a 1999 NB. Night and day. Tire Rack was a good choice Thanks again
Happy to help!
Love the wheels on the blue ND
Thanks! They're our 17x9 Tobu wheels.
Greetings. A special video on hardtops for the ND would be great. How do you attach it, etc. Thank you
Thanks for the suggestion!
We don't have any experience with ND hardtops, besides the factory RF.
Maybe if we get one of the aftermarket removable hardtops down the road, we can make it into a video.
"are they built for speed or for comfort"
-wedding crashers
Great Video! Lots of great info!
We're glad we could help!
Thank you for all you answers. Here's another question.
What does load tire index mean in therms of performance ?
Does tire with higher load index means stronger tire construction -> More stability in corners ?
What is the science behind this index ?
Thank you
@deboxonline You are welcome! The tire load index tells you how much weight your tire can carry - this is mostly relevant for vehicles that will be towing, and doesn't really have anything to do with the handling performance of that tire.
I just want some black rims to put on my NC and use the stock tires and I am still not sure what to get. Good vid though
Feel free to email our CS team (support@flyinmiata) with some more detail, and we'll do our best to help.
I use those same Yokohama Fleva V701 tires on my NC. 235/40R17 on 17x8” Enkei PF01 with 50mm offset. No tire interference with the wheelwells or fenders, and no rolling required.
Great tire for street use. And it’s one of the only tires available in 235/40R17 that is not a 100TW or 200TW track tire.
Thanks for the info!
Why is downsizing tire and increasing sidewall an uncommon way to increase ride comfort? It seems to be the most logical to me
Aesthetics is likely a big reason - people love the big wheel look. You also have to make sure the new wheels clear your brakes and suspension. But it’s a perfectly legitimate thing to do - we often recommend 15” wheels on the 04-05 Mazdaspeed Miata in place of the factory 17s.
@@FlyinMiataVideo I learned the hard way about not improving the ride by downsizing on my MSM. Put a set of RE-71R on and feel every pebble in the road now plus they absolutely howl on the highway. Looking forward to replacing them soon with something more complaint. It was a lot of fun at the first AutoX or two I went to though!
2012 NC Got -225/45/ R17 WANT -225/50 R17
What will happen to my ride? softer cruising? Speedo Off? Rub on Frame or inside panel?
Possibly yes to all. The sidewall construction of the tires you choose will have an effect on the ride quality and response.
I love you guys and someday if the gods of random chaos (also know as Murphy’s law) let up and I can save enough money I will be calling you… I really will. Thank you for giving me goals in life. 😂
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Great work bought some sailun place holders but next up with be some of these
Thanks for watching!
When do we need to upgrade to wider tires? Is it only if slipping on acceleration?
Good question! It isn't just acceleration where one needs to have good grip especially with lower powered cars like the Miata. I'd first start with a good brand name 200 treadwear or less tire before increasing your width. If you're able to get the traction you need with a better rubber compound, it'll keep your unsprung weight down which is always the goal.
I like the look of 215/45 on standard ND2 17x7 BBS wheels. All street use. Typically a Michelin or maybe Conti biased. Am i going to notice any big downside in handling? I understand overall wheel diameter will increase a little.
That's a pretty small step so, I'd be surprised if you noticed any downside to it.
For street/canyon fun what would be ideal option on a ND between these 3 options: stock GT wheel with 215/45 Continental ECS02, Kogecki 17x8 wheel with same Conti ECS02 215/45 tire or the same Kogecki 17x8 wheel with a 235/40 Yoko Fleva v701 or Toyo Proxes Sport tire?
Stock wheels are pretty heavy so, you should notice the difference in a lighter wheel like our Kogeki. A 215/45 will be barely stretched on the 8" wheel but it shouldn't be too noticeable. We like to run 200 treadwear tires so, select your favorite tire manufacture/model and see what you think after 4 yrs or so. Tire models change enough it's hard to keep up so, we'll just check the field test on TR and purchase a name brand as you've mentioned above and move on.
Obviously I want a 345 rear with minimal rolling for my (fictional) LS7 swapped ND! 😂
Don't we all.
Often times I hear going wider will make the Miata feel sluggish, and when people switch back to oem or skinnier/lighter wheels and tires, it’s “the way a Miata should feel” (at least for street driving). Now what if the wider wheel and tire setup is the same weight or lighter than the skinny setup, will there be a difference in the way the car feels when accelerating given similar tire compound and stretch/bulge? (Weight of wider tire is actually the same weight as stock believe it or not, so there’s not more weight towards the outside of the rotating mass). Will the suspension be able to work better or worse? I assume there will be tramline effects, increased road noise, less ability to evacuate standing water, and more turning effort.
We're definitely getting into the finer details on this one but, the larger tire will still dumb down the steering feel some since it's a larger mass even if it's the same weight or lighter than the skinnier tire. The suspension is loaded differently with different offset wheels so, that would come into play too.
i used to love the Toyo T1R's wish they still made them
Yeah, there's been a few tires that I wish they continued to produce.
@@FlyinMiataVideo 100% i hate when they mess with a good thing
Is that a factory paint color on the blue NA Miata or is that a wrap? I love the color
It's wrapped in 3M 1080 vinyl! We forget the exact name of the color... sorry.
@@FlyinMiataVideo nice! It’s the inspiration for my build. I was looking at the 3M 2080 it’s blue raspberry. They also made it in the 1080 i think that maybe it. Thanks for the response.
@@qnzboy223 Blue Raspberry sounds right!
great video. quick question...will 225/45 r17 fit on a stock nd rf miata without any suspension mods?
A 225 will be a bit wide for the stock 17x7 rim, but they should fit without causing any fitment issues.
Any recommendations for a much more compliant tire?
the NA6 is better with 195 rear tires. i have not rotated my tires in the three years since either.
It's all in how you drive it and yeah, smaller usually = lighter.
Travis, which Tobu wheels do you have on your eternal blue ND?
17x9 Tobu wheels in Satin Black.
For road/street driving a wheel like the RPF1, how much perceivable difference in feel/performance do you think there is on a stock engine NC, between a 7.5" and an 8", assuming you'd use comparably properly fitted tires (like 215/225, respectively)? There's actually a bigger weight jump between those 2 (vs 7" to 7.5"), though both are lighter than stock. Trying to keep the nimble, fun feel, vs maximum grip.
There are a lot of variables here, but most people probably won't notice a 2 or 3 lb per corner weight difference unless they're a seasoned race car driver. If it were closer to 7 or 8+ lbs per corner, that can make a pretty big difference to drivability.
Wider tires on the same wheel can lead to more mechanical grip and potentially a more "plush" ride, but that can add some mush to the general steering and handling. We would generally prefer a more "square" or "flush" tire fitment, like a 215 tire on a 7" wide wheel, to find a happy balance between playful handling and ride comfort.
I want to put 255 rear tires and 363 gear . But I also want an accurate soewso
Depending on the gen, you can either find speedo gears or get an interface. www.dakotadigital.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=287/mode=cat/cat287.htm
Has the outside diameter of the tires changed much over the life of the Miata 1990-2024?
Absolutely. The stock tire diameter for the early cars with 14" wheels was about 22.7". ND's have a tire diameter of about 24.3". About a 7% increase.
SHUSH
The most Canadian thing to say. Lol
@@38tech There was a lot of hilarity just before we went live. It's a very lively set.
What is Y'all's opinion on Michlen pilot sport 5's tires on a ND2
We haven't tested the Michlen pilot sport 5's ourselves, but we've heard some good things from a handful of our customers about the PS4's. I'd imagine the 5's are good, too.
what's the front lip and rear spoiler on the ND? Looks dope!
They're from CarbonMiata!
@@FlyinMiataVideo thanks!
What does FM think about the Bridgestone Potenza S001's?
We've never tested this exact tire - sorry!
@@FlyinMiataVideo Thanks, I thought it was the factory tire of ND's
I want to get some 35 inch wide tires for my miata and cant my wheels so much that Im only getting 3/8ths of an inch of ground contact....its my way of reflecting back the suns rays into the atmosphere for global warming.....i also run my exhaust back into the cabin so I can recycle the carbon monoxide with my lungs, its my own personal air filtration system lolol im helping hahaha
35 inch wide? 😂 😂 😂
@@downshift00 lolol
Hey can I get some na flyin Miata stickers? I got some nb and nd ones but no na
We include FM stickers with each and every order!
please oh my god please do a video on how to fucking do the brakes for the rear on sport suspension holy fuck me brother i cant figure the stupid ass allan key tightness i just cant man
Sorry to hear about the struggles!. Give us a call or shoot us an email and we'll try and help you out the best we can. support@flyinmiata.com
@@FlyinMiataVideo please god just do a video on it but yes i will take you up on that