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How WHEEL/TIRE sizes Affect Comfort, Feel & Performance - 4K - FM Live w Keith Tanner 4-11-24

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  • Опубликовано: 11 апр 2024
  • Wheels and tires are an easy way to freshen up your Miata’s looks, but can really change the feel of your Miata.
    This week on FM Live, Keith Tanner talks about how your wheel and tire size choices actually affect the feel, performance and comfort of your car.
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Комментарии • 84

  • @mrw40
    @mrw40 4 месяца назад +12

    Great camerawork on this one, no shakiness, no blurriness, no funny aspect ratios, and overall great at showing what the host is talking about! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +3

      It took him a while but I think he's gett'n the hang of it now. 😆

  • @CM-xb6rb
    @CM-xb6rb 4 месяца назад +4

    Thank you for posting the wide version of the video. I like to watch on my computer.

  • @thewheelieguy
    @thewheelieguy 4 месяца назад +2

    Astheticaly I have always liked 15" wheels best on a Miata, so it was great to hear that's possible on an ND with proper choices of wheel model and offset.

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, it's not for everyone, but it's a good option if you have all the right bits that play together.

  • @mr1enrollment
    @mr1enrollment 4 месяца назад +7

    these tech vids are appreciated
    especially the ones with an NC in the background,... (?)

    • @christophermeraz-mata
      @christophermeraz-mata 3 месяца назад

      There is no NC in this video.

    • @gz617
      @gz617 Месяц назад +1

      @@christophermeraz-matawhite car in the back is definitely NC gen Miata

    • @christophermeraz-mata
      @christophermeraz-mata Месяц назад

      @@gz617 Didn't even see it. I'm blind to the NC! I literally thought there were only three cars in the frame.

    • @gz617
      @gz617 Месяц назад

      @@christophermeraz-mata Many are blind to the NC, until they realize what they're missing! Metaphorically and literally as well in your case lol. My 06 GT reminds me of my 97 NA and I couldn't be happier with it. Don't sleep on the NC's!

  • @mikemay6330
    @mikemay6330 4 дня назад

    Kieth, I took your advice and picked up a set of yokahama Adven Vleva V701's 195/ 50 / 15. For a 1999 NB. Night and day. Tire Rack was a good choice Thanks again

  • @pre-rollfpv6633
    @pre-rollfpv6633 4 месяца назад +3

    Love the wheels on the blue ND

  • @Rober-ci1oy
    @Rober-ci1oy 15 дней назад

    Greetings. A special video on hardtops for the ND would be great. How do you attach it, etc. Thank you

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  15 дней назад

      Thanks for the suggestion!
      We don't have any experience with ND hardtops, besides the factory RF.
      Maybe if we get one of the aftermarket removable hardtops down the road, we can make it into a video.

  • @tomhunter91
    @tomhunter91 4 месяца назад +2

    "are they built for speed or for comfort"
    -wedding crashers

  • @jwsfoulke
    @jwsfoulke 4 месяца назад +2

    Great Video! Lots of great info!

  • @deboxonline
    @deboxonline Месяц назад

    Thank you for all you answers. Here's another question.
    What does load tire index mean in therms of performance ?
    Does tire with higher load index means stronger tire construction -> More stability in corners ?
    What is the science behind this index ?
    Thank you

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  Месяц назад

      @deboxonline You are welcome! The tire load index tells you how much weight your tire can carry - this is mostly relevant for vehicles that will be towing, and doesn't really have anything to do with the handling performance of that tire.

  • @martinmurphy4852
    @martinmurphy4852 19 дней назад

    I just want some black rims to put on my NC and use the stock tires and I am still not sure what to get. Good vid though

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  18 дней назад

      Feel free to email our CS team (support@flyinmiata) with some more detail, and we'll do our best to help.

  • @RbNetEngr
    @RbNetEngr 4 месяца назад

    I use those same Yokohama Fleva V701 tires on my NC. 235/40R17 on 17x8” Enkei PF01 with 50mm offset. No tire interference with the wheelwells or fenders, and no rolling required.
    Great tire for street use. And it’s one of the only tires available in 235/40R17 that is not a 100TW or 200TW track tire.

  • @nate1413
    @nate1413 4 месяца назад +2

    Why is downsizing tire and increasing sidewall an uncommon way to increase ride comfort? It seems to be the most logical to me

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +1

      Aesthetics is likely a big reason - people love the big wheel look. You also have to make sure the new wheels clear your brakes and suspension. But it’s a perfectly legitimate thing to do - we often recommend 15” wheels on the 04-05 Mazdaspeed Miata in place of the factory 17s.

    • @andrewmenchions6962
      @andrewmenchions6962 4 месяца назад

      ​​@@FlyinMiataVideo I learned the hard way about not improving the ride by downsizing on my MSM. Put a set of RE-71R on and feel every pebble in the road now plus they absolutely howl on the highway. Looking forward to replacing them soon with something more complaint. It was a lot of fun at the first AutoX or two I went to though!

  • @toshibavoodoo
    @toshibavoodoo 4 месяца назад +2

    2012 NC Got -225/45/ R17 WANT -225/50 R17
    What will happen to my ride? softer cruising? Speedo Off? Rub on Frame or inside panel?

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +3

      Possibly yes to all. The sidewall construction of the tires you choose will have an effect on the ride quality and response.

  • @agunther08
    @agunther08 4 месяца назад

    I love you guys and someday if the gods of random chaos (also know as Murphy’s law) let up and I can save enough money I will be calling you… I really will. Thank you for giving me goals in life. 😂

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      You don't have to buy things to talk to us🤣

  • @malkionx
    @malkionx 4 месяца назад

    Great work bought some sailun place holders but next up with be some of these

  • @christophermeraz-mata
    @christophermeraz-mata 3 месяца назад +1

    When do we need to upgrade to wider tires? Is it only if slipping on acceleration?

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  3 месяца назад +1

      Good question! It isn't just acceleration where one needs to have good grip especially with lower powered cars like the Miata. I'd first start with a good brand name 200 treadwear or less tire before increasing your width. If you're able to get the traction you need with a better rubber compound, it'll keep your unsprung weight down which is always the goal.

  • @paulperryman3839
    @paulperryman3839 4 месяца назад +1

    I like the look of 215/45 on standard ND2 17x7 BBS wheels. All street use. Typically a Michelin or maybe Conti biased. Am i going to notice any big downside in handling? I understand overall wheel diameter will increase a little.

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      That's a pretty small step so, I'd be surprised if you noticed any downside to it.

  • @flyers10az
    @flyers10az Месяц назад

    For street/canyon fun what would be ideal option on a ND between these 3 options: stock GT wheel with 215/45 Continental ECS02, Kogecki 17x8 wheel with same Conti ECS02 215/45 tire or the same Kogecki 17x8 wheel with a 235/40 Yoko Fleva v701 or Toyo Proxes Sport tire?

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  Месяц назад +1

      Stock wheels are pretty heavy so, you should notice the difference in a lighter wheel like our Kogeki. A 215/45 will be barely stretched on the 8" wheel but it shouldn't be too noticeable. We like to run 200 treadwear tires so, select your favorite tire manufacture/model and see what you think after 4 yrs or so. Tire models change enough it's hard to keep up so, we'll just check the field test on TR and purchase a name brand as you've mentioned above and move on.

  • @ReQuiem_2099
    @ReQuiem_2099 4 месяца назад +1

    Obviously I want a 345 rear with minimal rolling for my (fictional) LS7 swapped ND! 😂

  • @richard-mai
    @richard-mai 2 месяца назад

    Often times I hear going wider will make the Miata feel sluggish, and when people switch back to oem or skinnier/lighter wheels and tires, it’s “the way a Miata should feel” (at least for street driving). Now what if the wider wheel and tire setup is the same weight or lighter than the skinny setup, will there be a difference in the way the car feels when accelerating given similar tire compound and stretch/bulge? (Weight of wider tire is actually the same weight as stock believe it or not, so there’s not more weight towards the outside of the rotating mass). Will the suspension be able to work better or worse? I assume there will be tramline effects, increased road noise, less ability to evacuate standing water, and more turning effort.

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  2 месяца назад +1

      We're definitely getting into the finer details on this one but, the larger tire will still dumb down the steering feel some since it's a larger mass even if it's the same weight or lighter than the skinnier tire. The suspension is loaded differently with different offset wheels so, that would come into play too.

  • @BillyBlaze7
    @BillyBlaze7 4 месяца назад

    i used to love the Toyo T1R's wish they still made them

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +1

      Yeah, there's been a few tires that I wish they continued to produce.

    • @BillyBlaze7
      @BillyBlaze7 4 месяца назад

      @@FlyinMiataVideo 100% i hate when they mess with a good thing

  • @qnzboy223
    @qnzboy223 4 месяца назад +1

    Is that a factory paint color on the blue NA Miata or is that a wrap? I love the color

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +2

      It's wrapped in 3M 1080 vinyl! We forget the exact name of the color... sorry.

    • @qnzboy223
      @qnzboy223 4 месяца назад +1

      @@FlyinMiataVideo nice! It’s the inspiration for my build. I was looking at the 3M 2080 it’s blue raspberry. They also made it in the 1080 i think that maybe it. Thanks for the response.

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +1

      @@qnzboy223 Blue Raspberry sounds right!

  • @MarkDavies-sd2to
    @MarkDavies-sd2to Месяц назад

    great video. quick question...will 225/45 r17 fit on a stock nd rf miata without any suspension mods?

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  Месяц назад

      A 225 will be a bit wide for the stock 17x7 rim, but they should fit without causing any fitment issues.

    • @MarkDavies-sd2to
      @MarkDavies-sd2to Месяц назад

      Any recommendations for a much more compliant tire?

  • @sublunacy
    @sublunacy 4 месяца назад

    the NA6 is better with 195 rear tires. i have not rotated my tires in the three years since either.

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      It's all in how you drive it and yeah, smaller usually = lighter.

  • @kentcurrie7326
    @kentcurrie7326 4 месяца назад +1

    Travis, which Tobu wheels do you have on your eternal blue ND?

  • @nickg3043
    @nickg3043 4 месяца назад

    For road/street driving a wheel like the RPF1, how much perceivable difference in feel/performance do you think there is on a stock engine NC, between a 7.5" and an 8", assuming you'd use comparably properly fitted tires (like 215/225, respectively)? There's actually a bigger weight jump between those 2 (vs 7" to 7.5"), though both are lighter than stock. Trying to keep the nimble, fun feel, vs maximum grip.

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +1

      There are a lot of variables here, but most people probably won't notice a 2 or 3 lb per corner weight difference unless they're a seasoned race car driver. If it were closer to 7 or 8+ lbs per corner, that can make a pretty big difference to drivability.
      Wider tires on the same wheel can lead to more mechanical grip and potentially a more "plush" ride, but that can add some mush to the general steering and handling. We would generally prefer a more "square" or "flush" tire fitment, like a 215 tire on a 7" wide wheel, to find a happy balance between playful handling and ride comfort.

  • @motionelco
    @motionelco 4 месяца назад

    I want to put 255 rear tires and 363 gear . But I also want an accurate soewso

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      Depending on the gen, you can either find speedo gears or get an interface. www.dakotadigital.com/index.cfm/page/ptype=results/category_id=287/mode=cat/cat287.htm

  • @thewheelieguy
    @thewheelieguy 4 месяца назад

    Has the outside diameter of the tires changed much over the life of the Miata 1990-2024?

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      Absolutely. The stock tire diameter for the early cars with 14" wheels was about 22.7". ND's have a tire diameter of about 24.3". About a 7% increase.

  • @Christianfire18
    @Christianfire18 4 месяца назад +3

    SHUSH

    • @38tech
      @38tech 4 месяца назад

      The most Canadian thing to say. Lol

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад +1

      @@38tech There was a lot of hilarity just before we went live. It's a very lively set.

  • @royanderson535
    @royanderson535 4 месяца назад

    What is Y'all's opinion on Michlen pilot sport 5's tires on a ND2

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      We haven't tested the Michlen pilot sport 5's ourselves, but we've heard some good things from a handful of our customers about the PS4's. I'd imagine the 5's are good, too.

  • @stanishate
    @stanishate 4 месяца назад

    what's the front lip and rear spoiler on the ND? Looks dope!

  • @AlcheMinister
    @AlcheMinister 4 месяца назад

    What does FM think about the Bridgestone Potenza S001's?

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      We've never tested this exact tire - sorry!

    • @AlcheMinister
      @AlcheMinister 4 месяца назад

      @@FlyinMiataVideo Thanks, I thought it was the factory tire of ND's

  • @BillyBlaze7
    @BillyBlaze7 4 месяца назад

    I want to get some 35 inch wide tires for my miata and cant my wheels so much that Im only getting 3/8ths of an inch of ground contact....its my way of reflecting back the suns rays into the atmosphere for global warming.....i also run my exhaust back into the cabin so I can recycle the carbon monoxide with my lungs, its my own personal air filtration system lolol im helping hahaha

    • @downshift00
      @downshift00 4 месяца назад +1

      35 inch wide? 😂 😂 😂

    • @BillyBlaze7
      @BillyBlaze7 4 месяца назад

      @@downshift00 lolol

  • @nappy2720
    @nappy2720 4 месяца назад

    Hey can I get some na flyin Miata stickers? I got some nb and nd ones but no na

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      We include FM stickers with each and every order!

  • @numba1balla
    @numba1balla 4 месяца назад

    please oh my god please do a video on how to fucking do the brakes for the rear on sport suspension holy fuck me brother i cant figure the stupid ass allan key tightness i just cant man

    • @FlyinMiataVideo
      @FlyinMiataVideo  4 месяца назад

      Sorry to hear about the struggles!. Give us a call or shoot us an email and we'll try and help you out the best we can. support@flyinmiata.com

    • @numba1balla
      @numba1balla 4 месяца назад

      @@FlyinMiataVideo please god just do a video on it but yes i will take you up on that