CUSTOMER REJECTED THE BID! [WHAT DID WE PRICE IT FOR?]
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- Опубликовано: 18 апр 2024
- Today, we're performing a leaf cleanup on this acre site that had many leaves to clean up and haul away. The original bid was initially rejected by the customer, but a few days later, they came around and gave us the approval and go-ahead.
When you send out more significant bids for cleanups, never back down on your price, especially if you know how challenging the job will be. The customer agreed, and by the time we were done, they were incredibly thankful and impressed by the final result.
Thank goodness we had LMN there to help us with our bidding and estimating. Without them, we wouldn't have known our numbers and accurately priced this leaf cleanup job.
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I love some of these prices. $1700 to $2500. Not a chance. NE Florida that would be a $750.00 to $850.00 job all day. This is why we are going LMN in June. Thanks Brian.
Keep doing your thing bud as long as you’re making what you need that’s all that matters brother !!!!
$925?!?!?!?
I can NEVER get that in north east Ohio for the same job. People refuse to pay over $500 in most cases for the same amount.
It’s because the market here is so cut throat. These crack heads will do it for $50 and hurts the industry in my area. Such a struggle. But we’re pushing along!
Or like these others RUclipsrs and do it for free…
….( even tho they profit off the views )
Yeah exactly man. It’s funny that’s why I asked in this video. $925 is a fair price here. Remember, the customer initially said no and wanted me to do it for $800. I really should’ve did this job for $1,250, but I knew we weren’t going to get it at that price.
We made up for it with efficiency, equipment, and the dump is a .25 mile down the road. It all worked in our favor to get a decent 13% profit on this, not the best, but not the worst either.
Don’t get me going on those clowns.
@@BriansLawnMaintenance I feel the same way
@@BriansLawnMaintenanceThose "crack heads" don't have a large investment in their machines either and what machines they do have are probably stolen. Hiring someone cheap does not mean you're getting quality work either. If anything you're probably getting sloppy work.
Nice calm day! Makes it ruff when it windy and boy here in Michigan its been windy this year!!
Nice video. I’ve always put leaves in 1 big pile that way you have all guys working together getting them into the hose verse losing a guy to driving the truck and one guy gets exhausted with the hose. If you get them blown to the driveway or street you can just lay the hose down on the ground and keep it fed with using rakes. And you’re not burning extra fuel with the truck running as well.
You need to build a chineese wall using a couple pieces of plywood and three hinges, cut a 10" hole near the hinge to stick the vac hose thru. Then blow the leaves into the hose. Fadter and easier. You did say you work smarter not harder.
Right…
In CT I charge $100 per man hour for a clean up. 5 years ago it was $50, but my costs have gone through the roof so I am going to recoup that.
I wish that I lived close enough to you to buy a few loads of those shredded leaves!
$85/ man hour if not booked too far out, $95/man hour if booked really far out, like more than 8 weeks. Plus sales tax. Reason for higher price if schedule is booked further out is because we can only take on so much work. We're booked about 9-10 weeks at the moment.
Forgot to add that we only price fixed price by the job, not the hour. But that's the rate we figure on.
I really enjoy the pricing videos.
One of the motivational guys said, I think it was Zig Ziglar, "You can have a customer, or you can have a happy customer."
We do our pricing based on sqft so 60,000 sqft would come out to $1980 with a $336.60 dump fee and 7% sales tax it would total $2478.76. That amount assumes full leaf coverage over the entire measured area. Price could easily be half that if the actual leaf coverage is minimal compared to the square footage. For three guys it would be a 12.87 hour job at that price point or 6.44 hours if only half that area actually had leaves and debris.
Thanks for the transparency! I was guessing $75 per man hour.
Sounds like $2500.00 to me.😮
I wish! I was going to quote for $1,250, but I already knew roughly where her budget was. This was good and we still made decent coin on it.
@@BriansLawnMaintenanceI immediately thought $1250 as well. I was surprised when you said less gotta keep the guys working and if you can make a litttle on top BONUS , still real good money 🤑
@@BriansLawnMaintenance understood. That’s just a lot of iron (trucks, trailers, mowers, blowers, etc.) on one site not to equate. There’s man hours I get, but don’t forget the equipment, insurances, the fuel, etc….. Also, even if you’re creating content, there should be something added for that time and equipment to cover the cost of content creation. Time is valuable. Those are my 2 Pennie’s. Oh!, and what about the disposal of the debris??
Long time watcher, first time comment.
How did you manage to fit all those leaves in that small box. I ran the same leaf vac and have an 8 foot bed eith 6 feet high mesh walls and it seems like I couldn't fit that much.
Is it because yours is a box and it forces it all to fit?
I honestly am not sure what to say. The BillyGoat does an amazing job reducing them. You can see the leaf dust and extra air that escapes, it’s pretty cool.
I would've been at $805
$85 PER man hours Plus $125 For leaf removal.
2 man crew 4 hours a piece.
That northwest Michigan.
I think the ranges can vary greatly depending on current goals and the exact costs of the business. For my business I would have been higher than $925 as I charge $91 per man hour plus was removal and disposal
those stand on blowers are life changers time savers big money makers. we have a scag i think
You’re right
Personally the number in my head was $1,250 not that i'd ever see that doing a job about here but 3 people and that much equipment.. Seems like a fair rate.
As a farmer pruning costs typically 1000.00 for 3.5 acres of Vineyard. Using a machine. However 60 years of overgrowth made the job this year cost...in just labor 5000.00 add in new wire as the wire was over s hundred years old. New posts.. All the work to get the irrigation up and running operating at peak... It’s about 10,000.00 and still going. The larger the project the more expensive. I paid 70,000 for 4 acres of trees to be cleared...they removed the stumps with the trees... Point is... A good crew is worth good money. Big projects cost more than small projects. By being s customer that did not argue pricing and paid on time... I was given deals that were not given to other customers of my tree company..whom the owner is now a personal friend also.
I think pricing wise, you did ok, based on the equipment. I'd probably expect it to be another $150-$200. But without that vacuum on the back of the truck that would of been like 2 extra hours? so equipment makes the difference. and I could see the bid being anywhere from $1,000-$2,000 easy. unfortunately for the customer, things are not as cheap anymore.
You could’ve made a little but you didn’t lose! 👊🏻
We do leaf removal for 125/man hour. You said 4 hr approx so we would be at 1000.00 for the job
I think you’re missing some math here. He said 16 man hours….
I am not in the Lawncare business (not yet?) But I would think between $800-1000 (south East PA).
I was gonna say how are you so clean after a spring cleanup and not covered in dust?
I would charge $2500 for a lot that size.
Man that would be amazing. Not sure if we’d get that around here though.
The last one I did was was 1800 for one that size.
That vacuum start up sounded so angry
What size (hp) is that Billy goat y’all are using?
Just their 18hp unit
Where do you order your logo jackets from? I like that jacket you are wearing.
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I would have been about 1200. And the leafs would be dumped on my property to compost to have “black dirt” to sell later worth another 200 bucks. However I’m the only one in my town with a leaf vac. Have to drive 30 miles to find another one. As more and more people burn up lawns from burning leaves the busier I get in the fall. Last fall we did more doing leaf clean ups from November to January then we did mowing for 7 months.
I’m at about 2200 in Southeast MI
That rob is a good worker
When you said “what price would you do this for” I thought $1200. And I don’t have a Billy Goat. Glad you made profit though!
not a contractor just a homeowner. Live about 30 miles east of you and i was thinking $1,000 or a little more. I would have payed $1,000 easy.
Good feedback ❤️
I enjoy your RUclips channel i miss my exmark Laser Z 52in mower price leaf clean up i am thinking $1200
I'm dying name your price Lawn Care,,,,, Love it.
lol ❤️
Brian great job , imo your low. I would have bid @ approx 1200. What works for you might not work for me. Still huge fan, you have great content . Congrats on your house bro. Love seeing people grow not only in business as well as their personal lives as well. Huge 👍 brother.
Is there a small business version of LMN?
Should have sold her a package deal where you come back and put down some grass seed.
a lot of leaves for spring
Maybe more. Clock it plus hauling
Charge your hourly man hour rate plus hauling. No guessing
Would be about 1500.00 but we wouldn’t do it unless it was A full season contract. We don’t do peoples shit work without the weekly mowing.
You charge separate for the leaf trailer ?
No sir
Why I like Brian alot, he's always there to pitch in for his employees..... Brian: 6:50 😂😂😂😂😂
Edit: even if it's with one hand
Lol
We'd do roughly $1,500 🍂
Breakdown ⬇️
-Labor: 3 workers, 4 hrs= 12 manhours x $75 = $900
-Dump fee = $75
-Truck fuel: 20 mi round trip @20 mpg w/ $3.50/gal fuel cost. 1 gal used× $3.50 = $3.50
-Wear&tear, fuel cost:
Truck: 67 cents/mi @ 20 mi trip. 20 x 0.67 = $13.40
Equip.: ($15/hr mowers. $12/hr leaf vac. $5/hr 2 cycle) Equip. used: 1 Zero turn, 1 Leaf Vac, 1 Stand on blower, 2 Backpack blowers.
Zero turn- 4 hrs x $15 = $60
Stand on blower- 4 hrs x $15 = $60
Leaf Vac- 4 hrs × $13 = $48
2 blowers- 8 hrs × $5 = $40
-Overhead (wifi/phone, insurance, uniform, website, etc) *varies :
Let's say $14/hr to cover costs. 4 hrs × $14 = $56
Above totaled= $1255.90 + 20% profit = $1,507.08
Love to know how you came up with these numbers. While they sound impressive, they’re only pseudo accurate, I’m sure. I’m glad you’re better off than most. But your man hour is telling. Man hour includes everything you just listed including company overhead. So you’re double dipping here and guessing, at best. Not attacking you, I’m just saying this isn’t accurate pricing. I would’ve gave you a high five 3 months ago with a post like this but my concern is these numbers just aren’t accurate enough, and it’s still guessing.
@@BriansLawnMaintenance We appreciate the time you took for a response, but not sure our comment warrants being told that we "are double dipping and guessing, at best" and definitely not "better off than most". This is more than psuedo-accurate to how we price, and given the scenario (man hrs, equipment, etc.), it is realistic to what we charge. We simply took time and effort to provide a breakdown of how we would have priced the project, hoping it might help another supporter of yours.
For our calculations, man hr includes more than just salary. It also takes in account benefits, insurance, overtime, bonuses, etc. We then have to include hrs spent on windshield time, going to the dump, cleaning equipment, going to trainings/obtaining relevant certifications, etc. Now, personal supplies related to that employee- PPE, supplied water & ice, etc. So, for example, pay your employee $25/hr, tack on everything else mentioned, add the hours spent off-site- you have an hourly rate that is more than just on-site labor. This means the wage will not cover all employee expenses.
I was guessing you would charge like $1700, but even $925 is more than I could charge in my area.
exactly what I charged for the same size property
4 guys at 4 hours plus disposal $1159.97 and that is with 30% profit.
$50 x 4 persons X 4 hrs. $800. plus 20% = $960
Great number can you come to N.J.
10.00 X 4=$40.00 ...total labor cost =160. 00 and 40.00 going to the owner. 200.00 is what my company would charge in San Francisco
My neighbor pays $1500-$1700 for a clean up, 1 acre lot. NJ
I am glad I can get my own leaves up. It's work though and I have a easy way of disposal. I burn them safely.
That job looks like it pays about $900. I’d probably charge about $875 with me and my wife. It would probably take me all day and I could probably only do a couple more smaller yards that day so I’m wondering what you charge.
$1050 central fl
90 an hour x 12 man hours you say.= $1080. Hauling $200
$1800
Pretty good #s we would be like $980.00.👍
Brian I would have said from what you told everyone how many hours you guys were there and the rig I would’ve said $1700
seems like a great deal for that lady lol
Totally!
Grand
I would say still some meat on the Bone !! based on my rate $80.00 per manhour right down to the final disposal . Your a little light , not too much . Maybe best to not get greedy !!! or push it a bit more ??.
lol brown gold 😂
Rhett
95 an hr per guy per hr plus 20% to take care of the tax man and a double what it cost to dump fee
$1,360
1800ish
I’d say about $1500👍🏾
$1750 US Dollars
$1400
$400
I would have been Near 1000.00 to $1250.00. But I also did composting of the leaves. Now you need a Yard Debris trailer for the third truck.
HOLA BRIAN ,AQUÍ EN CALIFORNIA LOS EMPLEADOS QUIEREN GANAR $150 O MÁS EÑ DÍA DE TRABAJO ,TAMBIÉN QUIEREN QUE UNO LES COMPRE EL LUNCH. SALUDOS BRIAN
$1100?
i wouldve guessed 700-750
actually 925 adds up with 16 man hours leaf truck etc. 49$ per man hour
what happen u had 250k subs and now 210?
Never had 250 yet lol. One day though.
@@BriansLawnMaintenance for sure love ur channel. i work for an amazing guy landscaping but trying to get him to set up trailer like urs. im 44 now. toying with idea go on my own but.
$1300 easy
Took 4 hours with 4 guys? For under a 2 acre lot 😲 Back in the day when I did lawn care 2 guys would bust that job out in 2 hours max with 2 exmark 60s one with mulch kit and one with triple bagger one guy would be blown out the beds while the other mulched everything once the guy blown beds was done he would jump on the bagger and start bagging the mulched out leafs once the mulching guy was done he would job on a blower and finish up. I would think that job with the equipment u have and 4 guys should be able to knock that job out in a hour hour and half max but more power to ya for being able to milk 4 hours out of a client I would say u made good money off that job if I had to guess I would say $500 clean up for 2 hours it would take😂 i need to come work for u and get your jobs done faster so u make more money
lol .. thanks for the comment, but how can you assume anything about how fast you would be on this site? That’s absurd on its face. If you think you’re mulching up this quality of leaves and thinking it looks good, you’re crazy. That’s not the professional way to do a job like this. Sounds like what someone who’s looking for weekend beer money would suggest. No one milked anything, and it was 3 guys on site for 4 hours. $925 was a hell of a price. I highly doubt you even know your break even, throwing an arbitrary number out there like “I’d do it for $500”. Yeah, I bet you would, and you’d tell everyone how you killed it.. come on man. Stop spreading folklore like this, this is exactly why our industry is in such rough shape with low ballers and guys who have no idea what to charge.
@@BriansLawnMaintenance lol I was just busting your balls with numbers but in the end I did have a successful lawn care industry from 17 years old until I sold the business at the age of 30 believe me I no what u mean when it comes to the weekend guys just doing it for beer money lol that was not me when I sold the business I had over 80 accounts working 7 days a week and just got burned out but I was fortunate enough to have the money saved and my house on 10 acres paid for from busting my balls all them years to were now I can just relax at the age of 36 and just work on cars for a living from my home shop when ever I feel like it but keep up the grind brother 🤟
@@BriansLawnMaintenance and as far as numbers go I can't speak for your area but in mine it was $100 a man hour plus 10% markup of the total hours it would take on the job we did not have the fancy software u guys have now of days back then😂
Brian Since he has a auto shop I want him to put a transmission in my car for $40 and he should have it done in 10 mins and I expect it to be done Perfect 😂😂😂😂 that’s like robbing Peter to pay Paul. Good work on this job looked great!!!!
@@colt357mag 🤣🤣🤣 rear wheel drive I'll have it out and a new one back in in 2 hours so labor on that would be $250 I'll give ya a deal at $249
$1,000, give or take the mood you're in. ;)
Good answer lol