Is Thrustmaster TS-PC (-XW) Still a Good Option in 2022?
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- My Thoughts on whether the Thrustmaster TS-PC & TS-XW are still a good upgrade option in 2022.
Please help support us by purchasing Amazon products through our affiliate link! It won't cost you anything and sends us a small kickback to use towards future videos and reviews. Just use the following link to take you over to Amazon and shop like normal. Thank You!
www.amazon.com...
This wheelbase is now available separately for £300 in the U.K, I don’t think you can complain with that. Amazon if anyone is interested but they’re selling out fast so hurry.
wow they must have just added it. I just looked and we have one left available here for 399 US. It will be gone soon I'm sure. The TM people must be watching because that wasn't available a few days ago lol
@@DanDiMaggio I saw it myself on the thrustmaster website for around the same price last week, I think that’s the RRP for the base alone (€399/£379) but £300 is such a good deal!
That wheel has been sold separately for a while now. I've had mine almost a year now. Think I got mine through Newegg. Ricmotech is another us location but they upcharge $20 more i think last time I was on their site.
I just bought the last one in the USA amazon market but they'll be back in stock by the end of the month 💯💯💯
It’s 400 now lol, I was so happy when I saw that and then the next day it went up lol
Purchased mine January / 2017 - Still going strong today, no issues at all.
It's 2023 and I'm still enjoying my TSPC.
Is it any good playing F1 games? Like better and more consistent than the T300?
Nice work Dan. I just bought the PC Racer Ferarri 488 edition.. it arrives Tuesday. I’m excited to get racing with it, love the review, that’s a sub from me for sure
The most gorgeous wheel base of all. Irregardless of the colors
Thank you so much, I’ve really enjoyed your review on this Thrustmaster TS-XW and as a matter of fact I purchased the exact same package last week after I watched your review. I got to say I’m really enjoying this Wheel even now in 2022 and I’m really glad that I didn’t spend huge amount of money for some entry level direct-drive wheels which also I have to wait a lifetime to get them from their companies!
Imo this TS-XW is more than enough for someone or anyone who wants to be really competitive in any Sim-Racing title.
The only downside for me is that it could’ve come with a better pedals but you always get what you pay for.
There is of course good pedals in Thrustmaster ecosystem if you want.
Overall TS-XW /PC is still a great wheel (even in 2022) as a high end middle class racing wheel.
Hi, good comments. I have TS-XW for 2 years now. I changed my pedals for the TLCM load cell. Perfect match ! No issue at all. I moved from Xbox for a PC gMer with rtx 3080. Very happy with this kit.
I’m crazy jealous of your GPU lol. I can’t even find a 30 series anywhere 😥
@@DanDiMaggio Just 3 months waiting. Bought from my computer store at a fair cdn price for an Asus tuff 😉
Yeah Asus tuf 3080 here also. Waited 2 months in the uk
Thanks for your review Dan. Going through this very process now. Contacted TM last week concerning two issues, strength and repair. You answered one, strength, and they answered the other. Repairs for North America are done in Quebec Canada. From what I’ve heard, all Fanatec repairs are done in Europe. Living in New York, TM repair option seems much better. New sub, happy new year.
After 3 years I still love my TS-PC 488 Edition, and also my new TLCM load cell
Bought one of these a couple of years back when my T300 eventually died. Been faultless since then. A clear upgrade from the old base. It's still noisier than I would like when the fan kicks in but at least reliability has been good.
Thinking of upgrading from my T300rs. Is it worth it?
@@markweatherall7437 honestly, if your T300 is working fine I wouldn’t bother unless you can get decent money for your T300. It is better and stronger but it isn’t a massive change. Good pedals made a bigger difference for me. I only got one cos my T300 broke.
@@blackmac1970
Ok thanks.
Love my ts-pc, only wish thrustmaster made more rim options,
If you are on PC, look around for custom wheel makers mate
There is a formula rim coming 😏
I love my TS PC wheel.. especially with the Woojer vest and the HUE lighting system. I call this 4D gaming 😁😁😁
You could get some adapters from AliExpress that can help you use an aftermarket wheel but still with all the buttons from the stock rim
If your on console try Acelith design , I've bought two Rims from them , top quality , got the McLaren wheel and the DTM style ...
I had only bought this exact wheel and base combo just before xmas as my three year old TMX died. I find it an awesome upgrade from the TMX combined with the T3PA Pro and the TH8A. Force feedback and detail in the racing is way way improved. Direct Drives are just still too expensive at the moment, so for the price of the TS-XW for me is amazing value. Great video Dan.
I think the extern cooling fan is a big advantage. Choosing between the top model from thrustmaster or the entry model from fanatec, I decided to go for the ts xw and I love it every day.
I got my TS-PC for a steal on Black Friday 2017 from B&H Photo for $350!, and use it almost every day. Still working strong and still feels great. Never fades. It is pretty much plug-n-play requiring very little tweaking from one sim to another. Would (and have) recommend to anyone looking for an affordable, reliable wheel for a great value.
I did have a brief scare a few months back when I thought the power supply had died. The wheel was dead with no lights and not showing up in the Control Panel. I went online and saw that others had their power supply die and could not get a replacement. That was confirmed when I tried looking for a replacement and had no luck. I submitted a tech support request to TM. Due to COVID, it took several days to get a reply, but it turns out all I needed was to do a manual firmware update. I was having an issue with a USB 3.0 extension I was using that I think triggered the failure. The firmware update was pretty simple and did the trick!
Before I got the TS-PC, I had been using Thrustmaster TMX. I actually ordered a Fanatec CSL Elite to upgrade that year, but it came with a faulty sensor that causes the center to constantly drift. I wasn't happy with the way it felt compared to the TMX I was used to, so I returned it for refund and ordered the TS-PC instead. The TS-PC FFB felt just like the TMX, just stronger and no fade (which I did notice with the TMX). So it truly was an upgrade for me. I may eventually jump to a CS 2.5, but I'm in no hurry.
I love it. When i travelled to usa i bought one in 2017. In 2019 i bought another one because it was cheap (400), so i have a replacement if it brokes
Smart. You mean, when it breaks✌🏼
I still use a TX Dan, with the latest firmware I have never had any issues with it, I think some people run them into clipping which overheats them. I honestly believe that the TX / T300 is the sweet spot for value v performance on belt drives. You can pick them up with a wheel for under £300 these days and that is amazing value. Like you said, the plug and play is great and they just work!... If I didn’t have a TX I would consider the TSXW but I don’t think it’s an upgrade worth another £300-£400. I think you are being a bit harsh on T300 / TX to be honest, they are actually very good wheels in my opinion. My brother has a Fanatec CSW and yes it’s good, a bit smoother but by no means streets ahead of Thrustmaster. There’s a lot of equipment snobbery out there these days. I used a G27 for over 10 years and had great fun along the way, but the jump from that to a TX is very noticeable, beyond that it’s serious diminishing returns.
This is mostly true. The only time I would upgrade my TX is if I was getting a DD1 or something and swapping to Fanatec (i wish I could afford to)
Great honest review, I tend to agree. I started with a T150 purchased for me by the missus, used it for a year or so with zero problems. Like most I wanted to upgrade, but the T300 overheated issues concerned me so I bought a TGT from Amazon warehouse for 375 pounds. Again after 2 years it's been faultless. So IMO thrustmaster does get a raw deal from the general community.
i had a TGT before i had a CSW 2.5 and now i have a DD1, my only real problem with the TGT was it always felt notchy to me, even more notchy than the T300 which i had before the TGT, moving the wheel slowly you can count the teeth in the belt and that just took all the immersion of reality out of it for me since there's not a car on the road that you can turn the wheel slowly and feel steps. this notchiness feeling was consistent with every lower end wheel though, the g29 is very notchy with big steps and a central dead zone, the t300 was really as smooth as it got before the CSW 2.5 but the 2.5 was the first wheelbase i got that genuinely felt like reality... so many people say ''but my TGT feels smooth its not notchy at all but it just is, the 2.5 isnt notchy because it uses serpentine belts, any toothed belt like those thrustmaster use you will feel the teeth, typically when you turn it slowly but turning fast is what then causes the whir noise as it steps between the teeth quickly.
anyway... that was my only issue with the TGT, double the price of a T300 and it was slightly rougher to turn, i purchased my 5 year old a t150 (non pro) for xmas and that is not so much notchy but terribly grainy, like it was left at the bottom of the sea and got full of sand, but FFB at that price and the kids smiling so its good value to me.
the real problem with thrustmaster wheelbases though is we don't have more of them, the reason the tsxw is still good to use in 2021 is because we are in the same situation as we were in last year and the year before, we had the tsxw then and its still all we have now from thrustmaster. it cant be an any worse option if there's no other choice available. the G29 is still the best entry level FFB wheel because.... there are no new entry level FFB wheels, how can it ever stop being the best entry if there are no other options, the thrustmaster options are just the same, the tsxw and tspc and TGT are still the best thrustmaster wheelbases because there are no other options unless you pick a different brand or pay more money. the tsxw is still a good thrustmaster option in 2021 and unless they design something new it will probably be the same story next year.
My t300rs died after nearly 5 years of use and im interested im the CSW V2.5.
Would recommend it?
Almost bit the bullet and got a whole Fanatec CSL setup w/ an F1 steering wheel (but no pedals...) for 700 on Cyber Monday. Just snagged a new TS-XW servo for 370 and I'm stoked since I already have the TH8A and TLCM Pedals.
I wanted to eventually go direct drive with a new rig w/ frame but this should do the trick for the next couple of years at least. T300RS served me well these last few years for sure, lmao!
Awesome! Congrats! You'll love it!
Good video! After waiting for almost a year, I finally purchased my Ts-xw today! I was eyeing every where especially after Thrustmaster posted the Servo being sold separately. Paid $400 and yes that's high but the demand is high!
You will love it! Congratulations on the new wheelbase!
I use this wheel with the t3pa pro pedals and can vouch for them. Great products!
I actually tried getting a Club Sport for about 5 days and my purchase never went thru. I ended up getting the TS-PC,Th8a,T3pa-Pro Great upgrade from my G29.
I just ordered one of these and T-LCM pedals to replace my TMX. I originally planned on buying the Clubsport with all the bells and whistles but had problems ordering, which led me down a rabbit hole of horror stories about Fanatec. The fact that I couldn't get a response from their customer service after a week of trying was icing on the cake. As a bonus I saved $700 which I just might put towards the MS2 seat mover for my GT Omega.
I agree it's a pretty good wheel base. I had my first one a while back (to replace a broken CSL Elite), it was flawless. I did then "retire it" (with the intention of later selling it) and go to a Fanatec Clubsport for a bit, and I agree with your assesment that the differences aren't huge (the clubsport was smoother - the TS-PC can be "notchy" - but the TS-PC for me personally had a more consistent feel in long sweeping corners and better feel around centre). I had two rims from Fanatec (the formula and BMW, which were most definetly nicer than the Thrustmaster ones) but the cost of their rims turned me off after a while, as did the reliability (everything Fanatec I own has broken at some point, most more than once).
Ultimately I ended up selling the Fanatec and going back to the TS-PC. If I did more oval racing I'd have kept the Fanatec for its smoothness, but the TS-PC seemed to match it everywhere else and the rims are just so much cheaper, giving me more versality for my money. It has a good balance between performance, cost and upgradability that suits my needs.
That's the reason I chose the TSXW over fanatec clubsport, so I can buy a new rim on any payday without it making me broke , and now 6 rims on, F1 , open wheel, sparco Rim, 599 ferrari rim, (custom acelith design McLaren rim and DTM rims), I'm a happy camper and this suits all needs , unless your a pro driver direct drive is not needed...ever,
@@Skippy-id9yt Whats the difference between the TS-XW and TS-PC? Thinking of an upgrade now from Logitech G29.
@@markweatherall7437 TSXW(the red one) is xbox and pc only TSPC (the black one )is pc only plus the only difference is xbox one has SPARCO rim PC one has open wheel , ....but no difference in the base
Love your channel Dan....I have recently bought the T300 RS GT and separately the T-LCM load cell pedals...I have to admit the T300RS GT has been a revelation over my previous G29 and the T-LCM pedals are just impressive but I am now a bit worried...is the T300RS GT that unreliable? So far no issues but only have had it for a month..so praying it never goes wrong..
I've has my t300 for over 5 years. I have power set to 100 as I have the fan running at all times. I recently just upgraded to the ts-pc as I have a lot of the wheel ecosystem. My next upgrade would be going straight to dd wheel.
In reality I’m sure there are far more people who have never had any issues than people who have. But most of the time you only hear from the people who have had issues so it unfairly gives TM a bad reputation. I was one of the unlucky ones who had to have my TX base replaced but I still believe that thrustmaster has the same reliability across the board as Fanatec. You shouldn’t have any issues. But if you do just reach out to TM. They are very good about resolving any issues!
I have the exact same setup, and I had to replace the fan in my T300RS GT after less than six months. Having said that, the replacement was less than $10 and took less than 10 minutes to install, and I haven't had any issues since. I've heard of owners having issues with the internal power supply, but I've never run into anything like that.
Bought my TS-XW a year and a half ago, after watching your review of the TS-PC. I was a bit sceptical about the issues with the TX/300 and jumped straight to the high tier. I can tell you that I'm glad for that choice every time I sit on my rig. not a single hiccup, very satisfying to use. Then again, 6 months ago upgraded the T3PA for the T-LCM after watching your review. Same feeling. Keep up the good and honest work, man. We really appreciate it.
EDIT: By the way, what's your current sim of choice nowadays?
Thanks Thiago! If I had to pick just one right now I think RaceRoom would be it. Especially now that the online aspect is starting to pickup with the new rating system. Iracing would be a close second.
i went with the TS-PC based on your review, its been satisfying, if it ever breaks, ill go for a DD but i dont have the itch as this performs so well...
I bought the ts-xw 2 months ago for 600 euro. It was broken in 1 week. Burned out. 2 days later I received a new one. Now very happy with it. Setting it up is very easy in every game. Came from a g920. This is a huge upgrade. I was in doubt of getting the csl elite. But with some searching I learned there is not much difference between csl and ts-xw. Finaly chose the ts-xw because of shorter delivery time. It was no dissapointment.
Just dropped by to say HAPPY NEW YEAR Dan to you and yours lets hope its a good one this time .
I just got one! Can't wait to use it. I used it a lot w the Formula wheel at a sim racing academy. At 60%FFB. It's perfect but I will always want to DD1 F1 fanatec for the FEELS.
Still using my TSPC since launch.
yeah I thought you still were. You were one of the peoples I was referring to in the video lol
I have never owned a Thrustmaster wheel and have had a Fanatec CSR for the past 10 years. Apart from table clamps that fail on some of their cheaper models, I have only heard good things about Thrustmaster. The one thing I would miss is the Fanatec wheel profiles that you can switch on the fly ... I use that all the time. I am not sure if Thrustmaster wheels offer something similar.
G'day Dan. Happy New Year. Just got myself a Thrustmaster TX leather edition with t3pa. It's my first step into Sim racing. Once my competence and confidence increase, this wheel is definitely on my 'to get' list. The load cell pedals will be my first upgrade though. Love your no nonsense reviews. Thanks mate.
The upgrade to a ts xw isn't that big of a deal since you have now a TX, you won't feel any big difference, you already went with a good wheel as a starter. Would recommend fanatec csl elite
@@pdrombs I've upgraded myself from a TX to a TS-XW, and they're is a real difference between them...
TS-XW to Fanatec seems less interesting than TX to TS-XW...
It's more interesting to do TS-XW to Direct Drive...
But TX to TS-XW is cool 👍🏻
I would say :
The TX is cool but the TS-XW is cooler
@@pdrombs was actually gonna try to stick to the Thrustmaster ecosystem for basically Two reasons.
1. Money....or lack of it.
2. I'm on Xbox only. I know Fanatec cater for Xbox users, but again i refer you to reason 1. 😉🙂
@@chrls.1093 i mean tx to fanatec not tsxw
@@pdrombs Yeah, but the CSL Elite isn't better than a TS-XW Racer so...
I use a TS-XW for PC and T-GT II for my Playstation 4 Pro with 2 sets loadselss pedals
They should include the LC in with it. The t3pa’s are no good.
Who thought plastic pedals was a good idea and why didn't I listen to my gut, instead of falling for that rubbish✌🏼
I hope you're right Dan!
I just ordered one, wanted to upgrade my TX, and can't do DD yet (next year maybe).
Based my decision on your video 😅
Coming from a TSPC to a Fanatec DD2, I also love the TSPC (still have it.). If you don’t need the bigger torque, there is no “need” for a DD. Why I picked a DD2, instead of Simucube Pro? Fanatec are mainstream, so it’s easy, and work with almost everything..
Sold my rig at beginning of last year due to pandemic. Intention was to get back into siming once things got better and was gonna go the csw route due to frustration with thrustmaster's lack of effort in regards to the ecosystem. Plans got derailed though when I got a TS-PC with t3pa pro pedals used for 500aud of 350usd. Then shortly after got a pair clubsports v1 pedals for 100usd with pedal tuning kit. Hoping this will cure the itch for Sim gear for now and that the rumoured thrustmaster formula wheel will be an interesting piece of kit.
Great and honest review video! I would like to ask if the TS-PC or the TGTII are good bases to play different games? Meaning not only GT7 or sports, I play a lot of F1 AC on ps4 and I’m wondering how good or how better it is in comparison to the T300. Which I think is really inconsistent on some games in terms of FFB after 5 laps or more
Thank you so much 🙏🏼
The TS-PC & TGT are still great wheelbases as far as performance. Still pretty much the best of the best when it comes to belt driven wheelbases. My only issue with them now is the price point hasn't come down to reflect the current market of available sim racing gear. This video was from three years ago and a lot has changed since. The TGT II is still $800 and for that money you can get a superior direct drive setup. For example the Fanatec Gran Turismo DD Pro is currently 100 less. And for the same price you can get it with the 8nm power supply and it will be even stronger. The TS-PC and TGT are still great but I genuinely can't recommend buying one new at this point because of the price discrepancy. I hope that makes sense. As far as your T300 being inconsistent after around 5 laps, honestly that sounds like it's overheating. Can you still hear the fan turning on occasionally? If the fan doesn't turn on the pulley system will overheat and it will certainly reduce the power output. If you can find a used TGTII in good condition for a reasonable price that might be a great option.
What I don’t like about the XW is the fact that you HAVE to get it bundled. When I got my Thrustmaster setup I decided I’d rather have the O shaped Sparco wheel and the reversed T3PA- Pro pedal set with a TX wheel base (which is the only one sold separately) instead of getting the superior wheel base with accessories that don’t suit my style of driving
Quite the Downgrade going from a direct drive to a consumer grade wheel Dan. Your review on the Accuforce which was full of praise for it's additional overall feel and fidelity , as well as being able to feel the rear of the car and catch slides , helped me pull the trigger and by one . To hear you recommend a Thrustmaster TS-PC racer at $699 over an Accuforce Direct drive at $999 is quite shocking. I will agree there is more set up time involved with the Accuforce but there is plenty of help available on the SimXperience forums. Now that I have owned an Accuforce DD wheel for some time I have had the chance to use a close friends rig that uses a TS-PC racer and I can tell you there is so much detail being left on the table it's crazy. There is such a wide gap in details and fidelity between the two wheels and I would whole heartily recommend the Accuforce for the extra $300 !
ruclips.net/video/g-XCq4fMekc/видео.html&ab_channel=DanDiMaggio
Great video on time for me a s I am confused which direction to go! I’d like to hear your thoughts. I have a G29 and looking to upgrade. My budget can go up to $900. So I was thinking about:
1-VRS DD wheel
2-Club Sport v2.5
3-CSL elite v1.1
4-TS-XW
Now I am not a big fan of having overwhelming torque as my G29 has 2nm. But still I think I want the upgrade. Now regarding the price and reliability and the immersion which direction you would go for if you are making the Choice?
@Dan DiMaggio
I just bought the TS-XW base with Ferrari F1 steering wheel on Amazon for € 499 to replace my old G29 and I hope I made the right choice. (I already had T-LCM pedals)
Also because for Club Sport v2.5 with F1 steering wheel, it takes about € 1,000.
Did you find the ferrari f1 rim hurts( cramps is.better description ) your hands after 20 ,minutes into an hour race , the handle are too thin for my hands , the open wheel and s nice and chunky so that's my primary f1 rim now
Good review Dan, I recently(3mos?) bought the T300GT and love it, I only use a PC but that was the only thing available besides cheaper or much more expensive. So far it is really good, so smooth. Thanks so much for sharing your videos with us! w
I saw some praising around detail of DD but some could be due to lack of smoothness (very strong small steps). The belt driven wheels should be the way to go, even for stronger motors. My G29 also had more "detail" than my TS-PC...
I had the t300gt and sent it back in a week to Amazon , to much like a toy for me and the pedals sucked ..I went ahead and got the TS..XW base and rally wheel along with the load cell TCLM pedals , The difference is night and day ! Much better ! The T300 worked but that's about it , just wasn't happy with the FF and the over heating issues after long race sessions ..the TX is awesome ! I should have got that in the first place !
I’m wondering if they are lining up something new for the release of GT7 as the T-GT has been out of stock for ever it seems.
no issues on my TS-PC.. but it costs now 100 pounds more..
They are up to around 700 usd now.
I agree it is fully reliable. Same like many here in the comments I’m still very happy with my ts-pc with 488 wheel. I’d love to switch sometimes the wheel with a smaller one for the vintage formulas and for a more direct feeling, but I didn’t find one
There are adapters available (both plastic and metal options) that will allow you to mount any steering wheel of your choice that has a standard 70mm bolt pattern (ie. sparco, omp) directly to the TM quick release system. I have 2 that i got off ebay some time ago. You will however have to find a separate solution for shifting like a h pattern or sequential since you would loose that functionality on the wheel.
My TSPC is still as good as it was day 1, strong and fast motor virtually silent. I use the new TM load cell pedals as well which are decent pedals.
Guys, I bought a Trustmaster steering wheel (TS-XW Racer) and on the package it says “110V - 220V Version”, but I couldn't find where to change this voltage. On the source comes a 220V-240V label"… I don't know what to believe lol
hello dan, after watching many vids for the ts-xw after your class performance, i finally decided to buy it. I had massive lags with my t-300 in terms of the ffb and now I'm pretty excited to see how the new base harmonizes with the sf1000! like and subscribe for you!
Hey, if you don't mind, could you tell me how this pairing has worked for you? I am going to try a similar setup upgrading from a Ferrari Edition T80 which I've had years, to the TS-XW/PC Servo base and want to pair it with the SF1000 wheel and the loadcell pedals. I want to use it primarily for the F1 Games and F1 cars i other sims but would sometimes like to try out other racing classes. How is it as the whole setup is quite expensive so do you think it is work the price?
In Australia we can get csl elite of $100 cheaper or clubsport for $200 dearer (ex wheel) problem is thrustmaster dont make a solid h box. I can not speak for their sequential though. Also the tlcm in dearer that the elites by bugger all and use hall effect vs potentiometers. Seem trades blow 4 blow.
I've got a T300RS (with a new replacement fan; the original started falling apart within 3-4 months) and have been considering a TS-PC for what feels like ages. Is it enough of an upgrade to pull the trigger? I've already got multiple rims and the T-LCM pedals, so jumping to another ecosystem (i.e. Fanatec) isn't preferable.
My honest opinion is yes! It is a significant jump in quality and performance. But as I always try to suggest get multiple opinions before you pull the trigger. My guess though is anyone who has used one for a decent length of time would agree!
@@DanDiMaggio Well, I guess I'll find out for sure around Thursday when it's scheduled to arrive. :D Just placed my order! Thanks for the video, you're doing good work out here!
That’s fantastic! You’re going to love it! And thank you so much for your support! Keep me posted and let me know what you think when you use it!
Love my tspc..strong enough for me..love the love
This ts pc is awesome and needs better pedals.now with the load cell can be a good bundle
Unfortunately My first TSXW was grinding with bearing noise , got replacement and perfect 6 months later , this model has larger and thicker belts more solid construction , it was designed to be their premier model and built tough for serious racers
Hey Dan, where is the AFV2? Have a great 2021.
Got rid of everything earlier in the year due to the pandemic :(
Hey man, just wanted to say thank you for a very awesome and informative video. I wondered if you think it will be wise to snag one of these used in very good condition for $500.? Also will I need to find the pedals to be able to race. I just bought a g29 but I'm going to take that back and I was looking into buying a t300 but was afraid because I saw that it has so many issues with reliability and then I came across this video. What do you think about that price?
ive had a tc pc racer now for about a year and half i bought in used and its still going solid i think there really good wheels, and unlike fanatec the accessories are reasonably priced if you want a new rim you don't have to spend what the actual base cost you in the first place, the only issue i have is why have 3 models for each device just make one wheel that works for all consoles and PC
Yeah I’m still not exactly sure why companies do that. Fanatec does a similar thing as well. I’ve hear it’s more on the Sony/Microsoft end as they don’t want their own products licensed to the other company. That’s all just hearsay so it could be completely false.
@@DanDiMaggio yeh its probably right i got the pc racer as it was cheaper than the xw even though I have a xbox as well its just a bit annoying. Fanatic I think its the rim though u can chnage and it will work bit TM is in the base
@@UnitedSpotlight I think that issue will eventually go away since it seems PS & XB have been playing nice with each other the last few years with cross play and other things. Fingers crossed!
Hmmm this wheel or the v2.5? That’s a tough one haha
Where I live, fanatec is unavailable, so CSv3 pedals literally cost the same as a T-GT where I live, this wheel with a true quick release mod and a ferrari alcantara wheel is king
Was mulling over fanatec for about a week as an initial purchase. Found a Ts xw for sale used, with the sparco wheel and pedals for $350
That's a great deal! I'd buy it!
Would you say a TX servo base + the T-LCM pedals is a better investment for the money from an overall sim racing experience POV over the TS-XW with T3PA pedals?
That's kind of a tough one. If you're after speed, consistency and the quickest lap times possible, then the TX servo with the T-LCM's would be the route I would go as you won't get any speed or consistency advantages with one wheelbase or the other. The pedals however are a different story. The Load cell in the T-LCM will definitely help you be far more consistent then the T3PAs which should = more speed. But If your main objective is to have more "realism" in the feeling of driving a car (for fun per say) then I believe the additional strength & fidelity of the TS-XW would be the way to go. It's really a tough one though and would be totally a personal preference depending on your needs/wants etc. I hope that makes sense. I know i didn't really answer your question but honestly it would be a personal choice on that one. Hope that helps a little lol!
@@DanDiMaggio Haha no I appreciate the insight - it’s hard to answer anyone’s questions regardless of the topic as a majority of everything is preference. I’m going to be hooking the servo base and pedals up to an Xbox to play Dirt 4 and WRC 8, mostly. Some FH4 but that’s leaning pretty hard into arcade physics for a wheel. Since the TS-XW servo base by itself is $400 vs $230ish for the TX, a 74% price jump, would you say the TS-XW’s experience is ~74% or more better than the TX? That’s usually how I look at things once you cross a baseline (belt driven in this case) I think the TX meets without having access to drive before buying.
Today I can get a moza 5 bundle for £498 and a TS-XW for over £500. Belt drive is just not worth it now. DD is made at the same price point. So it's not even like you can argue for it for people who don't want to spend as much. The DD is much better constructed, the QR for the wheel significantly better. Especially now you get DD in UK online retailers like overclockers. I can see the reluctance to send cash to Fanatec, especially after Brexit and undoubtedly that put some people off getting DD, especially the thought if the product fails. There's little or no point not getting DD unless you want the budget low end of FF wheels like a gear based one. The T300 at £350 might still be worth it, but I think most people would be better to stretch that budget now. I looked at these TS-PC and DD as covid started and it seemed a real pain to get DD compared with just going to a big online retailer and the cost at that point seemed higher. But the pandemic also killed the stocks of all wheels so I just forgot about it and carried on using the Driving force GT. Now I'm looking against I can't see why anyone would pay £500+ for this wheel given the market.
Just a detail...
If using console, 5/7 nm on dd, is less than 5/7 nm on belt-driven flywheel.
The dd's ffb is weakened on console....on pc you won`t have these problems.
So no, this category of steering wheel still has its place.
Thanks for this update. I'm working on a rally setup and am trying to decide between a TS-XW base with the Sparco R383 wheel or the Fanatec CSL Elite with the WRC wheel. I'm wondering, how strong is the plastic wheel-base connection in the TS setup? How much flex is there? Also, when the TS wheel is turned on, is the cogging still noticeable when moving the wheel slowly when driving?
The TS cogging is noticeable (the CSL will be smoother), though only really noticeable when not actually racing or if you do oval racing (I doubt in a rally setup it'd be noticeable in game). I've owned a CSL in the past, I think that the TS is a nicer wheel base overall (despite the notching, I like the FFB delivery and feel around centre - I actually think it's closer to the Clubsport than the CSL in performance), but the Fanatec rims are generally nicer than the Thrustmaster ones (though I haven't used either of these rims so I can't make a comparision). What prices can you get either at? And how much would you be willing to spend for wheel rim upgrades in the future?
@@bartonez123 They are very similar in price in Canada after shipping, taxes, etc. As for rims in the future, I prefer fully round wheels so this would be my only rim. Though, the Fanatec R330 rim is very nice but also comes at a very high price.
The csl elite is a significantly more refined experience when compared to the ts wheels. The feedback is more detailed and much smoother. The quality and variety of wheel options is much much better. There simply is no reason to go with a ts over the second gen csl elite
@@bartonez123 the on center feel of the csl elite is much better in the second gen. I have used them back to back and the second gen csl elite is hands down the better base
@@gulfcoaster210 My concern with the CSL Elite is that there seems to be some issues with the wheel losing calibration when dust/debris gets on the optical sensor used to detect wheel rotation. As well, I've heard that rapid wheel movements can throw it off too. I want to use it for rally so rapid movements will happen all the time.
Dan, did you get rid of all your high end equipment?
Yes. Earlier in the year when the pandemic hit. Slowly working on building back up finally.
@@DanDiMaggio Glad you are back! I recently replaced my TX with the Ts-pc based on your old review. It is definitely a big step up. Will eventually go DD but love the ease of use with my current 4 Thrustmaster rims.
Hello Dan, has your opinion changed in the last year, or would you still recommend the TS-PC? I found a used TS-PC Racer on ebay for 400€ with the Ferrari Wheel and the Open Wheel Addon and I'm wondering whether its still worth to get it. It still has warranty and generally looks quite good on the photos. I currently have the G920 and really want to upgrade, but kinda dont see myself spending 700€ for the CSL DD 8nm with the McLaren wheel or wait like half a year for the 5nm to be available again.
Honestly the PC & XW are going to perform exactly the same. It comes down to 2 differences: TS-PC is only compatible with PC and the XW works on XB. The other is simply the color of them. I actually prefer the muted gray color of the TS-PC over the red on the XW but both have great performance for the money. As for a used option, try and find out why they are selling it if possible have them prove it is working perfectly before you send any money. There are known faults for these but they are not as common as on TM's lower tear ffb wheels which seem to be plagued with issues. Personally I would still not hesitate to buy another one but be careful when purchasing used. As for the upgrade, it will be a significant upgrade from your current G920. Roughly 3 times as strong, smoother and quieter as well. None of the on center rattle you get from the G series wheels. Hope that helps! Good luck!
When I was ready to move on from my Logi, TM could of had a sale with th TS-PC but only available bundle with the garbage pedal set. So Fanatec it was. Glad I did because TM just has poor options and extras.
I just bought the base off Amazon over the fanatec because I’m already invested in thrustmaster and I had Amazon gift cards. I hope I notice the difference between this and the t300rs
Hi, did you notice a difference?
@@markweatherall7437 Mark I did not end up
Getting the base amazon lost my package!! So I ended up getting the fanatec club sport 2.5 and o my a world of difference it’s amazing!!
I got a "old" T500rs.. Than the kids are jumping out of my wife. So my Gaming room was becoming the children's room. 8 years later wanna start again. T500 is really a Dino. So is my PC.. So I got a PS5 and need a Base which is compatible with PC for the future and for PS for now. A Fanatec DD Pro was the first thing which comes to my mind but it's not available. So maybe I'll get one of these 🤔 Thx for your video
I'm in a similar situation and got a T-GT 2 servo on its own and reused my pedals and got the 599xx alcantara wheel for use with my PS5 and PSVR2 for GT7. it worked out less that half the price of the Fanatec dd pro
Great video, change the title to 2022 for the RUclips algorithm and SEO purposes and if it says 2021 in the thumbnail change it to a 2022 one.
That's a great idea. Sadly I haven't had a lot of time to stay on top of the channel lately.
@@DanDiMaggio no worries! I just thought I’d suggest it
Is this good invest money today... I have t300 with Tlcm pedals and th8a shifter before half year i buy drive hub to play with that equipment new Forza. Now i,m considering to buy only that TS XW base to play on X Box...And yes i buy not to long Ferrari 599xx Alcantara steering wheel...
Did you ever try the cloud tuning feature from Simxperience? It’s the plug and play experience you were looking for.
I never got a chance to try it unfortunately. I actually got rid of everything I had when the pandemic started. So I’m starting back over from scratch. If I get another DD down the road I’ll probably get a VRS DF pro or a Simplicity SW30. But I’m pretty happy with the TS-XW for now. Especially after adding the shakers to the rig.
@@DanDiMaggio hey what shakers did you run with? And what is the placement like? I have 2 I’m about to install so any tips would be amazing
Mine die after the 2nd utilisation.... less than 4 days after buying it. I have ask for a refound, i'm now in the position where i dont know what to buy....
Hi Dan, thanks for your video. Do you happen to know if the original T300rs rim and pedals are compatible to work with the TS-PC base for the PS4/5 ?
Yea they are. It’s all part of the thrustmaster ecosystem.
Thanks, just need to find a TS-PC base now then. Amazon UK currently unavailable. Any other ideas bud?
The price currently is overpriced. Sparco rims are the best in the TM ecosystem. Would like a comparison between the csw 2.5 vs ts
I've used both there would be no comparison really, the csw 2.5 is better in every way, much smoother to turn, uses serpentine belts instead of notchy teeth, all metal construction, quick release is relatively quick instead of relatively slow and you don't need to screw a puncture hold in your wheel hub to secure it. fanatec also offers a much more in depth software solution aswell as the ability to play with multiple feedback settings while in game using the on wheel rim display and buttons. the 2.5 is wayyy out ahead of anything thrustmaster, I've owned and used the T300, TGT, CSW 2.5 and a DD1 in the last year.
I've owned both. The Clubsport was smoother but some margin (the TS-PC is "notchy") but I found in practice the overall differences weren't big. The Thrustmaster had a better feel in long corners when load needed to be consistent, and a much better feel around centre. The strength was similar. The rims are nicer in the Fanatec ecosystem but twice the price where I live. And then I had the Fanatec reliability problems - the base had serious belt slip (to their credit, Fanatec did replace after 1 unsuccessful repair), the new unit then had USB issues (repaired again). The BMW rim I had was fine, the Formula rim had faulty buttons (I just sold it faulty). Ultimately I sold it and went back to my TS-PC (using Fanatec pedals). When I got the TS-PC, it cost two thirds the price, came very close in performance, and the cheaper rims meant I could get more versatility for the price. It's not as flashy aesthetically, but it's well made and does a very nice job. Even if they were the same price, I'd probably go the Thrustmaster - or just save up and get a direct drive.
@@jinx20001 I cannot feel the belt teeth in my TS-PC... With the wheel turned off, I can feel the magnetic steps of the motor. No belt induced steps (which are way bigger). They are smooth. The smoothness of Fanatec is when off or in use?
@@jopereirapt both on and off fanatec is perfectly smooth, no steps, nothing, one way or another with thrustmaster wheels you can feel the steps, ive had 2 different thrustmaster wheel bases now and the TGT (essentially the same as tspc/xw) was less smooth than the t300, its almost certainly the belt because thats the largest difference between the fanatec gear and thrustmaster is the belt, its a completely different belt design, the motors are not large enough for you to feel any steps between magnets, that would be dampened out by the belt mechanism. I use a DD1 direct drive and it uses huge magnets, I can move my wheel slowly on the DD and feel the steps between the magnets, the csw 2.5 is even slightly smoother than my direct drive I think, the thrustmaster wheelbase are nowhere near as smooth, there should be zero stepping when moving the wheel slowly, thats how a car is in reality.
@@jinx20001 I can feel the magnets of a 280 size motor :) (used in toys), much smaller than even the G29 ones (let alone TM or DD). The Fanatec belt system is better (potentially smoother) and it's worst (TM belt system will never slip, Fanatec one *can* slip - if not now, latter...).
I certainly don't feel steps in TM wheels while driving - I could bought a Fanatec base+wheel cheapper than TS-PC 488 Edition, but that one had less quality and less functionality. If I pay more, I should get more - but beside the hype, do I really need? (answer: no, I need to drive better :) )
this wheel in my country costs more than a DD wheel lol, im sure it doesnt cost that much less in usa or whatnot, i sujest u guys either get t300 or jump to DD
lol same and I’m in Canada so we’re getting the shaft too
It's around $700 in the U.S. By contrast, the Fanatec Podium DD1 is $1200 for the base only.
How to Force the Fan on/off in the ts xw pc Base?
Or did Tm made these bases so it always at full speed?
Is there a wheel change kit for the tx xw. To keep the button pad, but just change the wheel rim?
Hey I currently own a Logitech g920, I’m currently looking into a new wheel but the TS-XW is 910$ where I live and the TX leather edition is 640$,(which I can afford),but I don’t plan on upgrading to a direct drive wheel in the future meaning that this will be my “final wheel”, is the TS-XW worth the 270$ price difference?
Yes its worth it without a doubt
i got out of there at the second "really , really good"
Bye Felicia👋 👋
My TS-PC racer failed first encounter for u
I almost bought one of these but I got a real sparco p310 and a simucube 2
Smart choice. I used my T300 RS everyday. It took less than 2 months to develop a problem✌🏼
How is the Ferarri F1 rim and the desk clamp of TM?
the desk clamp works well but I would wait on the F1 rim. Thrustmaster just teased (early December) a new Formula style rim that is due to be released sometime this year. The quality of the original formula wheel is lacking a bit so I would wait for the new one!
One day in to 2021: REVIEW VIDEOS FOR THE BEST/WORST EVERYTHING 2021
I went back and looked like crazy and couldn't find any videos on my channel titled the best or the worst of anything in 2021. So weird. Shoot... I meant to type this in all caps to really get my point across but I'm just too busy editing my first "best of 2021" video so I don't have time to go back and change it. Thanks for the idea by the way! Also FYI it's the second day of the year. Not the first. I really do appreciate your view and your thumbs down though :) Heading over to your channel now to see how a proper youtube channel operates. I hope I learn something valuable!
No more sim experience accuforce2 for u?
Is the wheelbase sturdy enough to be stable on a desk, or is a stand just the optimal choice?
A wheelstand or full rig would be the best choice because it does have enough power to shake a desk if it's not sturdy enough. That being said you can certainly mount it to a desk and it comes with a desk clamp in the box. Just keep in mind the sturdier your mounting option is, the more ffb strength you will feel from the wheelbase through your hands as some of the ffb will be lost through the vibration of a desk.
@@DanDiMaggio thanks for a quick response! I’m about to get into sim racing, and I’m trying to find a middle ground between not too expensive, but not too cheap either (may as well save those money to the equipment I want anyway). I think I go with the TS-PC, Loadcell LCM breaks and the Ferrari SF1000 wheel.. and I think I have my eyes on a stand.
Appreciate the quick response!
@@Christian_Bagger Thrustmaster has very good reputation for clamp design.. Me instantly bought it after watching how stable Thrustmaster Wheelbase on Desk in an T300 Ferrari Integral Demo a few months ago.. Now I'm very happy
@@sabaruengineering3843 Perhaps! It seems to me, that they’re really good at delivering the experience you want, without decreasing too much on quality. If you want an intermediate solution, or you want to enter sim racing and don’t mind spending a bit, but still not outrighteous prices.
So you think i should spend 589.99€ in a ts-pc racer ferrari 488 challenge edition instead of a csl elite?...just found another ts pc racer ferrari for 550€...seems good price..please help me im looking for a wheel to choose for ages...i have g25
Both the CSL elite and the TS-PC are going to be a huge step up from your current G25. You really would be happy with either. However the TS-PC would be my choice. The only reason I would go Fanatec myself is if my budget allowed me to go with the Clubsport 2.5. But between the CSL and the TS-PC, my money goes to the Thrustmaster. I would suggest getting multiple other opinions also though because it's a narrow difference between the two wheelbases.
So how does this really compare to a v2 its either this or v2
I used my T300 for a total of 130h before it broke down, and ofc it was after the warranty ended, hence Im here looking for a new base, I would much rather get a Fanatec but well... prices so yeah I dont really wanna get another thrustmaster but I dont have much of a choice
Yeah I totally get it. At this point I've been fortunate enough to have had my hands on many different wheel bases from various manufacturers and this is kind of my thoughts on the situation now. As far as belt or gear driven wheels, Thrustmaster and Fanatec are honestly very similar in forms of long term reliability. It's seems to be hit or miss with both. Sometimes you get lucky and get a base that never has any issues and sometimes you end up with a lemon. The good thing is, both have a decent warranty and return policy aside from the headache of having to deal with waiting. Here's the kicker though. If your main concern is reliability I'd suggest looking away from both of them. The end all be all wheel to go with is a Logitech when it comes to reliability. They have very few cases of problems aging way back to when the G25 was their star wheelbase. It's a case of "if it isn't broke don't fix it" which is why even the latest G923 is basically the same thing with new skin. They are simply the best by a long shot when it comes to reliability. The downside is the lack of overall ffb. So you kind of have to choose the sacrifice you're willing to put up with. Limited overall ffb or roll the dice and hope you end up with a TM or Fana wheel that works properly. That being said direct drives are changing that significantly. They are much more reliable for the most part do to the simple fact they have less parts. Until now the price has really hindered most people from jumping on that band wagon but Fanatec has really changed this with the release of the CSL DD Pro. I haven't used one myself (yet) but it has overwhelmingly positive reviews so far and being a direct drive reliability shouldn't be an issue. You can get the Gran Turismo Pro DD with 2 piece pedals included for 700 bucks. That's a game changer! And if you're willing to pay 50 more you can get it right now. Hell I think right now even the TS-PC/XW's are still going for 5-600 without pedals if you can even find any. So that's my take on it today. I have really high hopes that DD will continue to be more attainable for the regular consumer over the next few years. Fingers crossed!
@@DanDiMaggio Wow thank you for taking the time to write all of this.
The thing is that if I do buy the TSPC I “only” need to spend 350 since all I would need to buy is the base, Im gonna try to sell my old stuff (other than the broken base) and if I do manage to in 1-2 months I will end up getting a Fanatec.
Thank you for taking the time to write all of this once again :)
@@H3nry2077 You got it Buddy! Good luck!
My TMX/T150 died just after my warranty ended lol
Tx or ts xw for 2022
they are the exact same its just that ts-xw is compatible for xbox and pc but ts-pc is compatible for pc only
I will never buy a thrustmaster again. I had my doubts after seeing a lot of videos and post about things going wrong with either the wheel or pedals, and how long it takes to send something back to Thrustmaster. Well I wished I'd listen to my gut because within a 2 or 3 weeks the wheel started to make a funny sound and feel strange. Also from week 1 the pedals were squeaking. There no visible hinge, unless you unscrew the pedal set which will no doubt void the warranty. Within 2 months of use, the accelerator pedal made a clicking sound or a crack and now it wobbles. It also revs by itself and doesn't stay at full throttle. I emailed thrustmater to find out if I could get a replacement and how it would take. So far all they asked me was for my invoice number. That was 5 days ago. I have been able to play any sim racing for weeks now aswel as losing views. Why do companies behave like this and think we will still buy their product. I'm In doubts a out getting a PS5 after they lied to me about a issue with the ps4.✌🏼
@VR Driver that's my point. I got a faulty set and I had a bad feeling this would happen, due to the faults I've seen and heard from others. The worst thing is how awkward and long it takes to get the matter resolved. When ps2 1st came out both my mates and my disc tray for stuck. PlayStation sent out a courier to collect it and drop off a replacement. With my G29 I was able to take it back to the shop (Currys) and twice they replaced it on the spot. I asked Box.uk if they could do the same but they want to check if it's broken 1st which they said can take upto 7 days. Why would I be sendi g it back and asking for a replacement if it wasn't broken. If i was trying to pull some sort of scam some how, then they have all my details. I don't understand the problem. If i was asking for a refund I could understand. I've actually seen a video, where Thrustmaster told a guy the reason his wheel broke is because he has it on a rig😀. Thrustmater told him he should have it clamped to a desk and were refusing to refund him. So now tbh Thrustmaster and Box.uk have lost my custom. These companies are so short sighted these days. Can't wait to get a Fanatec.✌🏼
Thrustmaster works better in ACC according to SRG an he's used them all just about
Is it worth to upgrade T300 to TS-PC?
I think it's well worth it! Especially if you can just find the wheelbase itself since you are already in the TM ecosystem.
@@DanDiMaggio Please help me to understand because its a big decision? If I buy the TS-XW servo base for the Xbox1 and use my T300rs (PS4/5) wheel rim will it work? The buttons will be different. Letter X on the T300rs wheel will become letter A etc. The big question Dan is I'm not bothered if the buttons are different just as long as the wheel and buttons actually work?
@@markweatherall7437 No sorry it will NOT work. The consoles are tied to the wheelbase itself, not the steering wheel and buttons. The TS-PC is only compatible with PC. The TS-XW is only compatibly with PC and Xbox. And the TG-T is only compatible with PC and Playstation. These are all true regardless of what steering wheel you have mounted.
@@DanDiMaggio Ok thank you for confirming that.
@@DanDiMaggio Dan Is the TX Ferrari 458 rim part of the TM eco system? Are all of the screw on threaded rims part of the TM eco system? If not do you know which ones are not?
btw t300 is smoother than ts pc
You have used both? The T300 may seem a bit smother due to the smaller motor and smaller pulley system internally. By nature there is less tension so I could see how it could potentially feel smoother. That being said, that was not my experience and I’ve used both bases extensively. You can however feel cogging in both bases when rotating the units when they are turned off. That may be what you are referring to because yes you do feel that more in the TS series than the T300.
Now if you really know of a “good” dd base that comes with a wheel and pedals for less than 699 than by all means send me the link ASAP and I’ll buy it tomorrow because I’ve never heard of it lol. But please don’t send me the link to that 10nm simagic thing if that’s what you’re talking about 😂