Elk Live - Real time music jamming over the intenet! With Robin Vincent
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2023
- 2023 and real time music jamming is finally possible over the internet with Elk. I’m joined by Robin Vincent for a deep dive into this new technology. Check out Robin’s video here:
• Elk LIVE: Jamming with... 
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Cant help but feel you whispering more into the mic than you would together talking and singing
Can't argue with the name they've given it.
Great to see you back Gaz, hope you had a good Christmas
Very early 80’s I had a game of darts with a mate of mine over the CB radio, obviously this was audio only and so relied on utmost honesty regarding the scoring from us both.
Very cool
cool!
thank you Gaz! looking to hear more from you and the sonic state team on this as they get it finished.
Very cool tech. Hey Gaz, I see that Isla S2400 sitting there beside you - would love to see/hear your thoughts on it. You just about had me sold on the MC 700 as a dawless groove hub, but those sample time limits are a bummer. The S2400 looks like a blast though.
Cashing in on future lockdowns and 15 minute cities?
Very impressive! Especially, to see the guitar jam with vocals really work over 250 miles! But as you said quite pricy and makes only sense if you use this on a daily basis. And quite funny to watch both streams 🙂
Yeah it’s limited in its appeal but for those who it matters to it is the absolute best option
That social media part could go big.
I look forward to see how it develops
nice ,what kind of internet you use?
I’ve got a really good fibre connection.
@Gaz are you recording your microphone through 2 different sources? It sounds super phased out.
Edit: nevermind, you sorted it!
Yep messed up the earlier part. Sorry about that
@Gaz Williams No worries man. Great tech there!
Cheers.
I see Elk has released a beta version (as opposed to the current browser version) of their native program for the Mac and soon for the PC. The implication being that you DON’T NEED the bridge and you just use your current audio interface. Have you tested the Mac native program. Does it work as well as the browser plus bridge combo? Seems they plan to make their money on the subscription model?
sounds well comb filter?
Yeah was an issue in the early part of the video sorry.
I can see the video latency being confusing but it certainly works doesn't it!!
Yeah the video aspect is meant to aid communication rather than be relevant to the actual musical performance which is incredibly fast and tight
Is it a subscription service?
Yes, apparently it's £300 for the device and then £13/month for the subscription.
Is the cost of entry quite high, though? How much would it cost for one of you to drive to the other back and forth, only once?
Humbly, Ylan
You are asking how much it costs to travel 500 miles?
😊I'm just thinking that the £13 per month might be very worth it.
@@ylanstockholm Ok, so travel costs don't factor in to your decision.
Live discord gigs coming up..?
Need to investigate that
Bristol to Norfolk'ish 250 miles ?? kms perhaps ?
That's not how the internet works. The connection runs via a server run by a Swedish company that may be located in Sweden, The US or wherever in the world, who knows (apart from Elk). Try downloading something from sourceforge, for example. The fastest mirror rarely is the closest one.
@@jimboblivesforever Bristol to "Anywhere Outside Britain" then Norfolk will be Waay further than 250 miles
That's how geography works ... 😜
Beards in Lofts.....?bandname
Problem I have with Elk it makes my Electric drum kit sounds like kitchen ware
Surely not Elk though? Bad internet connection?
@@GazWilliams Probably
250 miles? So still not /really/ true remote collab. Endlesss has done it right IMO. It looks different concept on the face of it, but a genius solution to the problem of jamming globally that feels totally seamless, fluid & inspiring. I can't see the kind of jamming this is aiming for ever really beating the latency problem worldwide. At least not that's much different to ISDN 20 years ago.
Endlesss uses a very different approach but is extremely successful in what it attempts to do.
Never heard of ninjam?
Only need a Daw, it's a plugin
Completely different thing. Ninjam intentionally increases latency so much that it can be calculated in measures. Elk is a low-latency approach.
@@jimboblivesforever correct but it works very well if you have ever tried it. It is also free and is software and been out for well over a decade.
Nothing like joining a jam with people going from all around the world. And have it sound great :)
@@jimboblivesforever so not completely different
@@DendriticFractals Actually it is literally the complete opposite. I don't doubt it works for some. For me and quite a few people I know it wouldn't. Due to the reliance on a subscription-based model, this system wouldn't either. But still, technically it's quite an achievement.
@@jimboblivesforever actually the opposite would be not jamming at all.. you are pretty determined to prove your point so I will just say "OK dear" like I do my wife
I don't believe this device works over the internet very effectively, the internet is not fast enough. It might work on the same network, but across the world, forgot it.
As demonstrated in the video, it clearly does. Granted, you need a fast connection, but all the details are on the manufacturers website.
@@jimboblivesforever Within a 200Km range doesn't exactly qualify as the world wide web, but whatever.
@@LibertyRecordProductions Do you know how the internet works? The Elk Live connects two parties via a server run by a company in Sweden. Who knows where that server is, it may be in Sweden, it may well be in Ireland, Frankfurt or the US. One thing is for sure though, it's not going to be a private ethernet hub right in the middle between Gaz and Robin.
@@jimboblivesforever Yes, I know there is some web server managing the connections, but the audio is some peer to peer connection between the two parties, there is no way the audio travels to Frankfurt and back with 1ms delay. Why do you think there is a distance requirement?
@@LibertyRecordProductions How long, do you think, is the distance you'd have to pass to your next door neighbour over the internet? Even with peer to peer, you're still going through your ISP's server, at least one exchange node and your co-musician's ISP's servers. That is quite a distance. There is no direct line. Also, the manufacturer demands a 10ms or lower ping time for this system to work, not 1ms.