They are children. People like to pretend BIPOC are older than they are due to racist stereotypes. I am not defending their actions but I highly doubt that either you or fransico Franco would care about it as much if they were yt teens.
@@konradcurze8176their race doesn’t matter, the reaction would still be the same if they were white. They knew exactly what they were doing and they didn’t care. Stop using their race to get them out of this
@@konradcurze8176my guy if they were white my reaction would be exactly the same. Also what's race got to do with this? Anyone can be mentally unstable.
To me, it says a lot about how they were raised. A lack of punishment and the belief the youth system will slap them on the wrist and the incorrect assumptions of once an adult you get a clean slate all comes into this. A lot of these kids see slaps on the wrist for shoplifting, fights amongst themselves etc and without an adult to say: They are waiting to get you for more then one thing so they can lock you up, they escalate. I grew up with very few rules, however very aware there would be punishment for breaking the few rules, let alone if I broke the law,. Sure I got up to some typical teen shit like drinking and some weed, but that was the extent, our parents totally knew, but now as a parent myself, I get it was because they knew what house we were at and we would be home by curfew. If they cracked down VS kept the expectations held, it might have been a lot different.
Thanks for talking about Killers Of The Flower Moon Phil! As an indigenous woman I had never heard of this story or this movie until my boyfriend and I went to see it recently. It's amazing to see women like me represented even though it's always the same sadness that we still live to this day. Many indigenous women go missing or are killed without any justice even today, so seeing this movie just shows how little has changed in the world for us but the fact that we are highlighted and seen makes me feel some joy in the sadness. I can understand the criticism about the love angle but we just will never really know if Ernest Burkhart really loved Molly. I do wish that the story was told from Molly's point of view since native women are hardly ever the main character, we are always the side character even in our own stories. Props to Scorsese for having real Osage people in this movie as well as their blessing to have this story told. We are making progress from the days when our people were played by white men in brown paint.
Amen! Especially that last sentence. I’m not fully Native American. I’m of mayan ancestry (Latina) but I’m glad we’ve come some what far but Hollywood has more to overcome when it comes to diversity and representation. I still haven’t watched it. Maybe I will.
As someone who worked on security for the filming, they had Osage and other Indigenous representatives at every stage of the production. The cast and crew were respectful at all times around who's story they were telling and what it actually means to a lot of people.
Nice take. I would have to see the movie again, but right now I don't believe that Ernest loved her. How could you poison the love of your life? I agree that Molly could have led the movie, but given the ending I think Ernest as the lead makes sense. Her acting stood out for sure, hopefully she gets nominated.
I think the ending of the movie is really crucial, without spoilers but the cameo at the end I think represents how the filmmaker himself is someone with their own perspective as so their own biases. The entire radio show thing is to show how real life tragedy gets made into entertainment all the time and having Scorsese cameo at the end of that asks the viewer the question of if Scorsese himself, despite his best intentions, is also complicit of that. And then that’s why there is that final shot of modern day Osage people to show that they are real people existing today.
I've been seeing a marked increase in discarded bottles on the side of the road with suspicious yellow liquids in them. It's disgusting and to think that this is caused by Amazon is infuriating. I hope they're held to the fire for this one. They've pushed those poor drivers so hard that they're desperate enough to do something this disgusting. Amazon needs to have some serious changes happen in their corporate structure.
iirc, most Amazon drivers aren't employed by Amazon directly. Rather, they're employed by a separate company that only serves Amazon. That's the legal technicalities, anyway. It's a loophole. Sort of like how Apple hires 'independent' factories in China, Taiwan, India, etc., that only makes products for them. That way, when a company gets in trouble for environmental contamination, worker injuries, or slave/child labor, it's the smaller company that takes the hit instead of the multi-billion-dollar giant. Amazon themselves won't see a single shred of responsibility until laws are passed to close the loophole.
theres no fkn way id ever let a company try to punish me for stopping to use the bathroom. Its insane that people are even willing to just let something so pathetic like that happen.
Yeah they're given a ton of work, nowhere to go to the bathroom while out on deliveries without stopping your work to drive to someplace, which is usually not realistic, given the time they have to get the amount of deliveries done that they have, and they'll be fired if they leave the pee bottles in the truck and if they take too long regularly to complete their work. They HAVE to discard the bottles or take them home. And the other commenter is right about amazon having smaller companies. Its actually probably the bigger issue. The delivery partners are small private companies that hire and fire at ridiculous rates, but since they're not directly amazon employees they're basically expendable as a whole and if the numbers fall below a certain threshold, they'll drop a whole delivery partner company in a snap. Most warehouse-centers have multiple delivery partners working in them, so if one fails the others in that building profit from it. They're constantly in competition, and it prevents staff from organizing because if one partner company gets unionized, amazon drops them, since they're naturally not working together, but as competitors under the amazon umbrella, so there is incentive for delivery partners to avoid unionization like the plague.
As someone who lives in Oklahoma, The Reign of Terror is yet another black eye of our state history that gets swept under the rug with the Tulsa Race Massacre. So, for that reason, I'm glad the movie was made, so it has a light shone on it. Also, I'd encourage those who want to hear Native Americans' stories from their perspectives to visit The First Americans Museum in Oklahoma City. It's a very eye-opening experience.
Amazon being who they are, and having their own employee's piss be the number one selling product in a category has to be the greatest "F U" to a billion dollar company I've ever seen. Knowing their own algorithm failed them so much is bitter sweet in the sense that the common man can pull such an insane stunt, but also scary knowing that the worst among us can do the same. Hoping to see some changes from that alone in terms of people being scammed.
After all of these years of being a fan of the PDS, I've been loving the "Your Thoughts on last episode" section. It reminds me a lot of the Today in Awesome section that Phil retired so many years ago.
The Amazon Pee Bottle problem isn’t just an Amazon problem. As a FedEx Ground driver it’s a problem with our Drivers too. We don’t get paid like ups. We get paid a somewhat decent daily wage. While the pee being “sold” is hilarious I think it really shows how poorly these companies treat their employees. They expect them to work like robots not humans.
I really think amazon and all these delivery companies need to change the way things are done.. like i love getting my shit hella fast but not at the cost of peoples health and mental.. like idk how the numbers for deliverys work but if we just flatout remove 1-2 delivery would this make it less stressful and awful for drivers? Or is the problem just the sheer amount of delivers every day regardless of same or 1-2 day delivery?
If you don't care about the people consider them touching your boxes with their hands after likely touching themselves to piss and not being able to wash after.
The story about the two teenagers on a hit-and-run spree disgusts me. I will never understand how or why someone would laugh about killing people with a car around town. However, I do hope the victims get justice to the fullest extent of the law.
I could only imagine being a FedEx Driver in Louisiana during that fog. I can always hear the FedEx management claiming it wasn’t that bad and they still could’ve delivered their packages. 🙄
@@El_Nightmare You have no idea. Very few actually care about the People they employ. Most only are about the money. People are replaceable in their eyes.
I really recommend that people read the book that killers of the flower moon was based on. I think it approached the subject matter significantly better than the film, and is why I’m so bemused that the film made the active choice to center ernest when he was not at all the focus of the book. In fact, the book is deeply disinterested in speculating about his motives and focuses much more on what mollie is going through. There are several moments in the movie where it is almost as if mollie’s perspective is being actively shifted in order to focus on ernest instead.
Appreciate the book recommendation since that was not mentioned anywhere although if I did a little Google search I’m sure I would have found it. It is too bad that the people in the film industry who have to make decisions based on how much profit the film will make believe that the mostly white American audience will not be able to relate to a film centered on an Osage woman’s experience.
My best friend & I just missed the crash by a couple of hours. We were traveling to New Orleans to spend the night on our way home to Florida! We had a little fog when we left Texas & as we got closer to New Orleans, we saw the interstate signs with dense fog advisories. I had no idea that this even happened until I saw this video just now. My heart goes out to everyone involved!
I think with KOTFM, Ernest's 'love' was an interesting element. The movie focuses on the family's greed and duplicity and Ernest's relationship with Mollie is the biggest duplicity of them all. Through his actions the movie depicts Ernest as someone who CONVINCES himself that he truly loves Mollie, but his actions completely contradict that (his uncle specifically having instigated the romance and Ernest knowing the whole time what financial benefit there would be in pursuing it). So I see it as exploring how someone can be so deep into a scheme that they convince themselves of a more moral narrative that they're a part of to ease their conscience and still see themselves as a good person. Ultimately the end of the film makes it clear how long that ruse can last and how real the love really was vs how convenient the love was.
Just had this same conversation with the person I saw it with. Every action on Ernest's part was a manipulation while he in turn was being manipulated. The only free-thinking moment he has was when he agreed to testify. By the end, when asked if he loved his wife, he had no clue what his truth even was anymore. I don't think he was ever meant to be a sympathetic character, even when learning about the death of his daughter. By far my favorite moment was the the look Mollie gave him when she asked what he had been giving her. She knew. She always knew. She wanted to see if he would finally reveal to her who he truly was. When Ernest stuttered "I-i-insulin," that was it. Fate sealed. Her leaving without a word was cathartic, while the look of loss and delusion on Ernest's face after the fact illicited a smile from me. "You lost, dude. You lost." Scorsese is incredibly adept at exploring the psychology of men at their most duplicitous. This never was a love story, it was a story of evil men convincing themselves and others that their hate was love.
I think he did love her but as he repeatedly said "I sure love money". When asked if he was giving Mollie the whole dose he said yes, the next scene was him giving her half and taking the other half. Not truly protecting Mollie but not truly wanting to hurt her and doing it in a way that got him high, the most indecisive and selfish option possible. A weak dim man, who did whatever the last person told him to do.
@@opulentzinger100% needs to happen. I hope it will now. I want to believe this movie opened the door for that possibility. Just based on the final scene alone, I think even Scorsese always knew that this wasn't his story to tell.
Add that, in some states/cities, it's technically against the law to bike on the sidewalk where it would be much safer for them, and a lot of towns don't even have sidewalks in a lot of areas... My brother bikes to and from work, and I get scared I might get a phonecall that he's been hurt.
@@iGotBulletproof-InsomniaAs someone considering to use my bicycle again, yes this is a horrible story, but as a current pedestrian, I still appreciate bicycles being banned from sidewalks and being equal to other vehicles where not having their own lanes, paths and rules .
Loved the story about the Release Energy drink. No to make your point to someone who wont listen by getting them to SELL what theyre trying to avoid talking about. It not only exposes the issues drivers face, but will also shine light on Amazon's dubious, if not just nonexistant, product vetting process.
All truck drivers end up peeing in bottles. It was actually one of the most surprising things I found when I became a truck driver a year ago. Many shippers and receivers do not have bathrooms available for drivers, and sometimes because of heavy regulations, we have to stop and sleep where there are no facilities. It really isn’t limited to Amazons van drivers.
I think there is a difference between drivers of that caliber, and local delivery people. The UPS driver for our office, utilizes our buildings bathroom all the time. No one here has a problem with it, and it's in the public space. The issue with the amazon drivers, is they aren't given the time to feel they can even take a quick pee break. Whether that be at a stop they are already making like our UPS guy, or when they happen to pass by a McD's and swing in for a quick potty break. There is no reason a local driver shouldn't have the ability to take a couple minutes to pee while out making deliveries. Of course, truck drivers should have that freedom and ability too, but I also know, many times that can be a personal decision, as much as a corporate one. Once I'm on the highway going somewhere, I don't want to stop either.
Amazon driver here. Our facility has 2 bathrooms for each and they'll shut down one for cleaning periodically. There's also another one in the far back if you don't want to go there. This is about the timeframe. We're given 10 hours to complete our delivery, that's from signing in, to returning back to station. If we're not fast enough, we can be fired. We're given hundreds of packages a day to deliver, from 200, to over 400. I sometimes struggle with getting things done and have to change up my route because people want to try and talk and meet with me, or I'm trying to get myself beat to a place to go. Luckily, my route is near a mountain and there's a few places nearby with porta Johns and I keep my hydration to a point where I'm only peeing 1-4 times in the shift. But some people don't and if they get caught with those bottles in their van, they get in trouble for it. We don't get paid more for going faster, we just don't get fired for not going too slow
I just finished watching Killers of the flower moon and I found it to be beautiful, tragic and gut wrenching. As someone who grew up native(Cherokee) I can feel the hurt and how Martian honored the natives. I felt that they showed Ernest in a bad light, you can see him turning more into the monster he is and Molly is a woman who gets everything taken from her. It’s a great movie
I go to a university in Louisiana and one of my professors was caught in the crash on his way in from New Orleans. Thankfully, he's expected to be okay and is currently recovering in the hospital, but it's really scary to think about how bad it actually got, people were talking about it all day. My heart goes out to the all families that lost someone in that chaos.
I was a scenic on KOTFM for 9 months in 2021. I worked with many Osage and met even more. As heavy and grim as the subject matter is, I always felt that we were telling a story that needed to be shared. We were invited to sacred dances and other private ceremonies. I enjoyed the movie, although I wasn't a fan of Burkhart's depiction. I think the real shame is that so many laws were enacted to keep the Osage from their own money and that is only hinted at in the movie. Regardless, I'm personally proud to have been a part of this, and have lifelong friends in Oklahoma.
I think that if those kids are old enough to know that they won't get in too much trouble because of their age, then they're old enough to do adult time for their crimes.
Besides, slaps on the wrist never work with someone who fully intended to do the thing in the first place... Unless they straight up didn't know it was wrong, and I mean... they obviously know. It wouldn't be a "funny joke" if it were normal.
I have been saying for *years* now- if you did something awful and your defense is "I'm only X years old" then you're not only old enough to know better, you're also manipulative and an opportunist, and so you definitely need to be held accountable.
I saw Killers of the Flower Moon last Saturday. I chose a random movie with friends and went to see it with absolutely no expectations - definitely a confronting plot that was hard to get through. I agree that having the movie centred around Mollie would have been more impactful - to see the events from her perspective, instead of seeing just the scattered pieces of grief as her family is m*rdered over time. I also agree that Ernest was not in love with Mollie. We love to romanticise relationships but truly, even if Ernest married her because he loved her, I have a hard time believing he continued to love her throughout the movie. It’s not love to kill your wife’s family, blatantly lie and poison her slowly over time - how can you claim that to be love? At best Ernest was a spineless and selfish man following his uncle, at worst a nefarious and truly evil person.
I think the “killers of the flower moon” story is tough because I think it shows how important allyship is. Because unfortunately I a lot of people don’t seek out underrepresented voices so they’re often left needing to rely on those with privilege and a public voice to retell their story. And no matter what when telling someone else’s story something will get lost
it's easy to understand that marginalized peoples [also resource poor] will take any publicity and recognition, even if their perspective is bastardized because it gets the convo started.... Sad to see another rich, white, connected person claim moral highground and fail to deliver. Business as usual.
Someone didn't make the movie the way I wanted it to be made REEEEEEEEEE! If your that upset over it go crowd fund your own movie and find someone you think it more appropriate and let them have a crack at it. Otherwise keep crying uselessly online I'm sure that'll fix the issue.
@@humbleheathen1.0 who would’ve thought someone who couldn’t read my comment would also have a bad take? With how poor media literacy is I shouldn’t be that surprised so I’ll try to explain it in a way you might understand. This story couldn’t be told on this scale and to this large an audience without publicly recognized large names, so it’s good that they made the movie and attempted to bring awareness to a large audience. It’s good Martin Scorsese involved the Osage tribe but although he did try to understand the events from their perspective it’s something that he can never fully do as it will always be interpreted through his experiences and biases. The point of this criticism is not, don’t watch the movie because it’s not perfectly true to these people’s experience, it’s to urge people that watched the film but want to get a better understanding to actually seek out those voices, to not let KOTFM to be their only exposure to this story. Martin Scorsese functions as an ally here by bringing awareness to an underrepresented story but that can only go so far towards people understanding the events from the Osage perspective. You can be critical of media beyond just saying something is good or bad, things aren’t that black or white. The impulse to say “if you didn’t like it why don’t you try making it yourself” misses the point of media criticism in general. I didn’t feel the need to spell all this out in my original comment because I thought it was obvious and implied but I failed to account for whiny little snowflakes like you, that’s on me.
@@NotSoMax tldr: I'ma massive cry baby and the only thing I'll do is make a novel length post in a RUclips comment section because that ALWAYS solves the issue and because I'm smarter and better then everyone else I automatically win because Im special now back to REEEEEEEEEEE'ing like a loser. That's all you have to say. Cry more.
I live in Vegas. That happened right down the street from where I live. I hope those kids get heavily sentenced. Been watching all coverage on the situation and it’s absolutely disgusting to have people out there that act like that after taking someone’s life. It happened early in the morning which leads me to believe that they had been out all night up to no good. I feel like there should be some sort of ramifications with the parenting of lack there of. Sorry to rant, it just literally hit close to home and could’ve been someone I loved. My heart goes out to the family either way.
That's what happens if noone teaches kids that there are consequences to their actions, if someone beat them a bit as kids or punched them as young men they might have some idea
@nikolaradunovic9858 that's not quite consequence to actions and that doesn't teach consequences that teaches "don't get caught and you won't get beat". I don't remember what I did to get soanked, I only remember the spanking. I did not turn out well. Teaching consequences is letting them burn themselves when you told them ten times to not play with fire and they still reach for the fire so you let them.
With regard to 'Flower Moon' we must remember 1st it's based on the book and I suggest everyone read the book - but the story was really to uncover what happened during that period and the investigation that followed. David Grann, the author, spent years of research with 20 pages at the end of the book outlining that research and Scorsese used creative licence to put the story to film. We're inundated in life with big history and for me it's these smaller lesser known histories that are every bit as important. So I'm happy that both can coexist.
Yeah but at the same time, if a director wants to make a movie about a very real event that occured they don't really get to use the excuse of "creative license" to distort the reality of what happened. They either tell the story accurately or they face the criticisms that they deserve.
@FrostinMyFlakes Reread my comment and try again, and if you still don't understand it, Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you when I said it in very plain language. Also, if you want to know what the criticisms are, idk maybe go look them up? Like anyone with a basic education would do.
@@Fitz1993 as far as we know the story is told historically accurate, the only creative license is with the emotional aspect of the characters which was not written in history, no one truly knows how the characters felt about each other
@@jesusbarrera6916 That's only a partial truth. Yes we don't know exactly how they all "felt about each other", however there is definitely way more than enough information that is readily available which could have been used to portray a much more accurate depiction of the characters, as well as context clues from the nature of society during that period, which is heavily documented...You can't use the excuse that we can't be 100% certain about something anyways, as your reason for not even trying in the first place.
Unfortunately having worked in juvenile detention, I’ve seen kids get out and shoot up the person they got arrested for trying to shoot. I’ve seen kids get off with very lenient sentences because of no prior offenses and age. The justice system in my state is supposed to encourage second chances. That being said we’d have repeat “visitors” to our facility. Multiple times people told me oh he’s been here 3 or 4 times. So the attitude by that kid saying I’ll be out in 30 days was probably likely had he not killed a man, or done the same crime 3 times in a matter of hours. I’m not trying to argue to throw kids in prison but at what point do we realize regardless of brain development, some people are just bad.
Thanks for covering the "Killers of the Flower Moon" story. I saw the film on Saturday, and yeah there's a lot to talk about. I feel like I can't comment on a lot, because I'm not Osage and don't really have the right on whether or not these points brought up by Osage people who worked on the movie are accurate or not. What I will say is that yes, this is a love story at the center of this movie, and more importantly, Mollie does not forgive Ernest for what he did to her in one of the more powerful scenes in the movie. I'm glad people are open to discussing this in nuanced terms and listening to the people that are more directly affected by this, because we need more conversations like this if we are going to get to a point where under-represented people like the Osage or other indigenous groups, can themselves make large movies like this for a lot of people to see. I personally think this is Scorsese's best movie since the Departed, it's very good. Also, a quick note on that box office comment, Apple was never intending this film to do well in theaters, it will do very well on streaming, which is what Apple has been planning for in the first place (and perhaps released it in theaters first to get more coverage on the movie today so it will do even better when it does go to streaming?)
As a person who has witnessed many and been in abusive relationships as well as studying the psychology of abusers many abusers truely believe they love the person(s) they abuse. Incredibly sad and heartbreaking and hard to understand or fully wrap ur brain around how someone can say they love you and truely believe it and then betray you so badly. I hope the Native American ppl continue to see more representation.
The police chief in the first story is my old neighbor and its shocking to see how brazen they were running him over. I feel bad for his kids Michael and Taylor. The latter of which talked admirably on stage in front of the media. Those 2 should be made an example of. Absolutely appalling and disgusting
I love how Jenna Ellis raised $200K in legal funds from her followers so she could hire good lawyers, and her lawyers clearly looked at her and went “dear god you’re fucked, please take the plea deal”
This is how most federal crimes work. They stack multiple charges on you even if there’s zero chance they can prove the charge or the charge isn’t applicable, present you with the option of beating all charges or face the possibility of decades in prison. It’s judicial malfeasance for political gain.
@@TheGuardian_TM Defamation and aiding others committing crimes is, oompa loompa enjoyer lol Tell me, how much did Faux News have to pay for their lies again?
@@TheGuardian_TM???? I mean that definitely happens but in this case it really does seem like she did basically everything she was accused of. Have you looked at the case? I’m not sure why you’re bringing any of that up bc it doesn’t seem to apply in this situation.
@@TheGuardian_TM You know there's this thing called a trial where the prosecutors have to present evidence for their case? Or that prosecutors are legally required to show the defense their evidence? Or that judge can dismiss cases for lack of evidence? Considering the three who plea out are lawyers-two were former prosecutors- they were know that. Oh, by the way-this is the Georgia case. State level not federal. You may have know that if you paid attention to the story.
I watched 'Killers of the Flower Moon' and I have to say I can see where the problem and trust is iffy. It is a story about Molly and her family. But it is shadowed constantly by being told more so by Leonardo DiCaprio's character. I think there needed to be more character development of the Osage characters because I was drawn to them and their story but each time they had a moment it was overshadowed by the white characters. I think Lily Gladstone did a beautiful job and every scene she is in pulled the focus where it needed to be the whole time. Also, showcasing a lot of the violence in your face of the indigenous people was really hard and difficult to watch. But, I did enjoy the movie. I wish it were more focused on the Osage people and their development and the history in which the family dealt with, but for a universal, non-Indigenous audience, it will do the work it is supposed to.
"It is not your fault, it is your problem" applies to those teens. All of the bad influences and terrible upbringing was not their fault, but choosing to not lean into it was their responsibility. Its sad, someone had to teach them that "minors don't get more than a slap on the wrist" No winners here, even if justice is done, and these dangerous people are removed from society.
Agreed unfortunately our justice system is not built on the idea that we need to try to rehabilitate people like this, even though there may not be a ton of hope there. The industrial prison complex is one of those problems that likely won't be addressed in our lifetime.
I feel that you can hold *both* opinions of "Scorsese did as good a job as he could in being respectful to the people whose story he's telling" and "This story suffers from the plight of being a box-office retelling of a real event by having the 'Main Character' being a sympathetic version of a real-life murderer." Basically: Was the story done well? Yes. Could it have been done *"better?"* Also yes.
I think Scorsese could have easily been a backer on the film and helped a native director tell the story through the lens of those who actually were murdered. Im saying this as a native Canadian woman. We don’t need yet another white persons version of the events.
@@sarahwatson3192 Even with Scorsese's backing up a native director no way would they be able to convince a studio to just hand over the two hundred million needed to tell this story the way Scorsese did. At most you would get a third of that. And that's if you are really lucky. Currently, there is only one studio who is willing to hand over massive budgets to small directors and that's Disney/Marvel. And this movie isn't a superhero flick.
What if Scorsese did the parts where white people are the focus and a native director fir when natives were the focus. Still mostly Scorsese but has more native involvement
On your second point, no matter how hard you try to show the main character as villainous, people are so Pavlov’d into seeing perceiving then as good simply because they’re a main character.
I haven't seen "Killers of the Flower Moon" yet. It's definitely on my list to check out. Being an indigenous actor myself, I look forward to seeing all representation in film. Along those lines, I highly recommend watching "Bones of Crows". A Canadian production, produced and directed by indigenous talent. Incredible and heartbreaking storytelling...
During the pile-up segment, all I could hear was my old driving instructor telling me "ALWAYS DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD" but apparently these people are happy to drive blind and just hope nothing goes wrong in front of them.
Same! Heck even if it’s raining slightly I always adjust my driving to the current conditions. So drive in thick fog like that at regular speeds? You gotta be crazy.
Even if you slowed down it's not going to help much (might only ensure a rear ending actually) because you're driving on a raised road where you're basically trapped.
An other issue is: Rear fog lights are not mandatory in US cars. In Europe every car has an extra bright rear light that has to be activated when visibility drops below 50 meters (55 yards). Also for a car that is running with the fog light the speed limit is 50 kilometers (30 miles) no matter the speed limit of the road. The fog light almost doubles your visibility to following traffic compared to regular rear lights.
@@HiltownJoewow I hope it's mandatory after this. In some fog conditions you can't even see 5ft in front of you. Even if you're going 15mph you have to have a quick reaction
I feel like if high schoolers are going to end up using their likeness and earning money, that this is going to set them up for their parents taking their money or maybe even conservatorship depending on how popular they get, causing more of a problem for the high schooler than just waiting until they get to college to worry about their image. They're still kids after all
I think there are too many variables to only believe on the one worst outcome. High schoolers are children legally. But they if they are old enough to work, then the parents may ask for money for bills, or want rent suddenly, but they want the high school to earn money anyhow. Even if the parents tried taking the money, the child would be an adult soon. So they wouldn’t be able to count it as stable income for themselves. Also, once a child is of working age, the parent can’t just take their money easily. They will have to pay taxes. You also can’t just get a conservatorship easily. There has to be reasons and a judge has to approve it.
I think that aspect would be fixed if they do what they do for child actors and have the money in a fund that can only be acessed by the child once they reach a certain age
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When I listened to the audiobook I also got the impression that the husband probably did love her, so I wasn't at all surprised when they decided to go with that for the movie. I LOVED the depiction of Molly. I was worried she'd come off flat and cold because of how private she is. But to my surprise she was just as dignified and strong as in the book. The scenes told from her perspective were my favorite.
I always dislike how people simplify live and relationships, because emotions are complicated. I do think Ernest loved or had some love for his wife and mother of his children, but on the other hand it was a TOXIC love because of what he did to her and her people. It was not ok in any sense and that's what makes it so much worse. The fact he cared about her and still did it
Havent yet read or seen it, but heres something Ive learned about people. Love doesnt magically cancel greed, both are very primal & powerful feelings. You absolutely can love someone, while robbing them blind. Im not condoning it, but I can understand it. Our minds are like tailor made to convince us that this is the thing to do, when theres doubt. Only in very black & white world you can separate everything, but we humans tend to operate on the gray. Especially when feelings are in question :)
The KOTFM story is tragic and heartbreaking, and while the film is centered around Ernest I think that is a conscious choice, Scorsese doesn’t make it a “murder mystery”. It’s blatantly laid out in the opening of the movie Ernest (and Bill Hale) are terrible people. The whole movie is showing Ernest falling in “love” with Molly while consciously killing her and her family. Ernest finally admits what he did in the end yet still won’t admit that he was poisoning Molly. None of the people involved in the plot are portrayed in a good light. The violence depicted is very brutal and matter of fact, something which speaks to how nonchalant these horrible men were about what they were doing. Everytime someone is killed in the movie it’s hard to watch and gut wrenching. I get the thought that this is not the best approach to this story, but it is the way Scorsese decided to portray it and I think it works for what he was intending. I think it’s a brilliant movie, one worth watching, but I also think we should take the views of the Osage and other indigenous peoples in.
Yeah its real and grey which people don't like, especially when it comes to horrors such as the osage murders. But it's brutally realistic, how many people even ones engaged in immoral actions for greed convince they aren't doing something wrong even something right? I think by making Ernest think he loved her Scorcese is giving that character true depth, it would be cheesy if Ernest was a mustache twirling villian and it wouldn't have any message about the duplicity of human selfishness and love. I really don't get the controversy tbh any reasonable person isn't leaving that movie going "wow that was such a cute love story, Ernest was a good guy"
I am not familiar with the story (not from the US) and I don't consume true crime or watch movies of this type, but your comment made me wonder. From how Phil told it, it sounds like this Molly divorced Ernest after he admitted to the crimes, but you are saying he somehow managed to kill her after that by poisoning her? Or was it poison he had given her previously that eventually ended up killing her down the road? Either way, that's extremely sad. People suck.
I think it's important to note that when you cast a major star like Leo, the story is automatically going to revolve more around him, even at a subconscious level, than someone you don't know/recognize. But simultaneously, without that major star, you're going to have an extremely difficult time getting any kind of audience in there.
@LadyAurian he was injecting her with poison and claiming it was for her diabetes. Her mother and sister were also likely poisoned. She survived their marriage.
@@LadyAurian Ernest was putting something (it’s not specified what) in her insulin shots to slowly kill her. He admits to being involved in all of the murders but when Molly confronts him about what he was putting in her insulin, he denies doing anything. She recovered from the poisoning but died from diabetes later in life. So he never killed her, but he certainly tried.
Imagine being so absolutely smooth brain that your idea of fun is stealing cars and runner people over. Those kids have no future unless they spend 20 years of it behind bars.
You know what I think would’ve made Killers of the Flower Moon more impactful? If the story was exclusively from the viewpoint of Mollie and her family. For (if you didn’t already know the Osage genocide) their deaths to be as blindsiding and backstabbing to the viewers as it was to them. We could be left to question if there was any real love there after the fact, but the important part of the story would be at the forefront where it belongs. That the Osage tribe lived in fear being picked off for their wealth. It’s practically a horror story rather than a crime drama.
I really like that idea, kind of a who done it and why that would lead to heartbreaking reveals and questios. Which is what they would've experienced. I wonder if they figured too many were already aware of it for it to be affective.
I’ve always had trouble understanding U.S sports structure. In Canada highscool to University is not where you want to be if your going to be successful in your sport. *Edit* before I get yelled at yes playing something like hockey for university means your very good but I’m pretty sure most OHL teams could beat Uni Teams and they’re like 4 years younger
The point is to prevent the exploitation of young athletes. Requiring university attendance or an age limit ensures young athletes aren’t putting themselves into the position of a pro athlete, getting a career ending injury early on, and then having no back up because they have no higher educations. Edit: in terms of the segment, young athletes have a lot of expenses yet the universities provide the bare minimum yet they they continue to make huge profits off of their image. High school students in competitive sports programs potentially have the same problem. No time to work part time, needing money.
@@stephanieharu as far as i know the US Sportssystem, your argumentation is hilarious. Your athlets till just recently couldn't get paid until they reached the highest league in their sport and were tossed aside when they get injured.
The NFL has no minor league and the NBA one isn't really an incubator. When you declare for the draft in the NFL or NBA you are basically shooting for the highest league because when you declare you lose college eligibility. So college basically acts as a minor league. Baseball is different where most players will go to the minors and a lot go to college first, I think this is because their peak is older so its better to have more experience (also you can declare for MLB draft without losing eligibility).
I saw Killers of the Flower Moon opening night and it really was a hard watch, but I definitely think it's a great film. I'm not First Nations/Indigenous American, but I'm Nigerian and a woman so I can empathise to a certain extent with the painful themes in the film, to the point where I was rocking in my seat in an attempt to self soothe because the film made me want to tear my skin off. A channel called Native Media Theory made a great video from the perspective of an Indigenous American, and said that the movie wasn't made *for* the Osage people, and that's okay. Not that it wasn't their story, but more in the sense of casting a light on and for the majority of people and how easy it can be to be a bystander, enabler and/or accomplice in the presence of evil. As for Ernest's love, I genuinely think it was obvious that it wasn't true love. He loved her the way a thief loves money (thanks Neil Gaiman's Coraline for that line), loved her the way a lady socialite loves a big gem on her finger, the way a Wall Street Yuppie loves a designer watch that costs more than most people make in a year. People are upset that he said he loved her, but film is a visual medium and the irony was the point. His *actions* spoke louder than his words. He would glibly murder her family and when she was scared to take the very much poisoned insulin, he blew up at her in a very dangerous way. I also think Ernest taking just a smiiiidge of the poison near the end (such an infinitesimal amount considering that it takes multiple doses over months if not years to kill) was just a way for him to ease his conscience. Ernest was a spineless coward who always gaslit himself into being the hero or victim. He couldn't handle the guilt so he did what wasn't even the bare minimum to assuage it. He was a spineless kind of evil. Most of the people who see the film will not be Osage or IA, but it's so important to reflect the mirror of colonialism and evil that oppressed people have been through. That said, I am not FN/IA, so my voice will always be less significant when it comes to the impact of this film, but I think it's an important film for people to see, and also a respectful one. To think that it's media like film that brings to light real tragedies like Tulsa and the Osage murders... that's heartbreaking. Also, Lily Gladstone's character, Molly, definitely was an in-depth pov from the perspective of the Osage people and what was happening- or at least, I thought so. The film wasn't devoid of Native POV.
Thank you for your comment, I think most of the hate is coming from people like myself who haven't seen the movie. The trailer really paints DiCaprio as a white savior and puts too much focus on the famous, non-indigenous actors. Truly the marketing failed this movie because people have a higher media literacy and the trailer didn't accurately portray the betrayal you are describing. I'm actually more likely to see the movie now that I've seen your comment.
Mexico declared its war on drugs on 2006, just 2 years after US ban on assault weapons expired. Unfortunately, these 2 events are very much correlated, and reading about how lately some US government officials have talked about the possibility of them attacking cartels but turning a blind eye to how their lax weapons laws affect us is very frustrating as a Mexican.
I have literally had an Amazon driver leave a bag full of piss outside of my front yard like. The plastic bags they used to cover the packages when it rains. He peed in that. so some don’t even get the luxury of bottles.😂
Having seen 'Killers of the Flower Moon', I think the seeming sincerity of Ernest Burkhart's feelings is part of what makes it such a powerful & devastating experience. This is a story of white men using kindness, love & benevolence and twisting them in service of something cruel & evil, and that makes Burkhart's "love" feel potently demented. I hope we one day do see an Osage perspective on these events, but for what it's worth, I found every performance by the actors of indigenous heritage - from Lily Gladstone to Cara Jade Myers, William Belleau, Jillian Dion and many more - to beautifully captured the pride, hope, rage, confusion & perseverence of the Osage people coping with the broken promises of the wealth they've attained. Their stories, tragic as they were, were most seared into my soul as the film ended. I thoroughly recommend it.
@HighOnCelluloid For what it's worth, despite me not seeing the film yet, I'm glad Scorsese and company are bringing this story to light. Hell, I hope we get more native Americans stories told by native Americans filmmakers, actors, etc.
Not saying you're wrong about your description of the actions during the Osage murders being particularly deceitful and awful, BUT I would say that Ernest's duplicity is played pretty literally, it's not a comment of the greater violence and greed itself or about white society's treatment of natives per se, maybe a little, but more so, how humans can do evil things for their benefit while the cognitive dissonance of the knowledge of their crimes make him need to believe he loved her because to not convince himself would mean facing the reality he's committed a grave evil. It's very Scorsese way of writing the character, and something a lot of people just don't like, they want simple, easy black and white answers about tragedies. people even people doing greedy evil things rarely think what they are doing is evil, they do the evil because the monetary selfish gain is too much to deny but very few people will genuinely take pleasure in being evil. Hitler thought he was a savior, Stalin thought he was a hero of the working class, Heisenberg thinks he's taking care of family before he dies. It's cognitive dissonance and a fight between Man's material and carnal desires and the light of good thats in almost all of us even Ernest to a degree.
@@richardbruton1224 That is a very good reading of it. I think that's a benefit Scorsese being such a skillful, patient artist is that he leaves comfortable room for interpretation, and our own interpretations are often part of the message he's selling. I found myself a little disturbed at how I felt almost bad for Ernest because he was so busy poisoning his wife's family that he didn't appreciate the time he had left with his own. Because he's roping us into sympathy for people whom we know from frame one are killing those they profess to love for their own profit. It's almost like he's making a commentary on "both sides"-ism, whiel reminding us that only one side is actively instigating the suffering. Very nuanced work, and a lot of ways it can be read. I almost balk at the idea of this being a "controversy", when really all that's been happening is conversation & dialogue about art. Truly challenging work inspires that, so I'm glad simply that it's a film that merits such involved discussion.
@@richardbruton1224Well, that does in fact play into the wider context. Europeans colonists often tried to rationalize the brutality they inflicted on indigenous peoples, that’s why dehumanizing them was (and to an extent still is) often a priority. Just look at the eugenics movement. It was almost like a sick and twisted way for them to justify to themselves the atrocities they committed and cope with their barbarism.
@@Clippidyclappidy Again I'm not saying it had no bearing on that you don't have to go into a big speal about it, you're preaching to the choir. Europeans in search of wealth came from the more advanced populated old world and saw the Natives who more isolated were more primative technologically and militarily so in there eyes they thought they were superior because if in there belief if they were equal they wouldn't be primitave (which is of course not true and reductive) (simular to divine right to rule doctrin) which they used as an arguement to ravage and decimate the Natives for plunder yeah yeah yeah. What I MEANT was that when it comes to SPECIFICALLY Leo's character it's broader than just that, don't make the mistake of boiling everything down to the mistreatment of natives, Scorcese himself said it was more than that, it was a universal truth about Mankinds struggle between their greedy carnal desires and the purity and goodness of the soul that even men like him had. WHICH IS WHY he loves or rather wants to love Molly because it in his mind is a coping mechanism to seperate him from the evil deeds he has done, rather than coming clean and doing the right thing which he eventually does waaaay too little too late
SPOILER ALERT: I watched Killers of the Flower Moon over the weekend and was absolutely blown away. I had no expectation that I would truly be able to sit through three and a half hours, and I did just that, and I would’ve kept watching had it run even longer. It’s a heartbreaking story that should truly anger everyone who watches it, given that our education system usually avoids tackling this kind of history. Being frustrated that the movie isn’t in Molly’s perspective is 100% understandable, and I would agree that it is told more from the perspective of Earnest. But I also believe that watching their love story unfold does bring up many questions: What does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be in love? Can you be in love with someone even through absolute despicable acts? I think asking that question while simultaneously exposing truth to this story makes the movie brilliant. Now is it the story that should have been told? I don’t know. But I walk away from that film being heartbroken for the Osage people, and inspired to continue research in and around our history as it relates to indigenous people so that we may not let it repeat itself.
Lol we are repeating it to this day. Look at BC pipeline runs. But lol I get where they’re coming from saying “it should be only told from a Osage point”, he’s a director who researches and makes sure it’s fairly accurate since he knows how people scrutinize films, this will most likely go on too be a classic among Scorseses many classics. I’m indigenous myself so I watched it and found it to be a fairly accurate portrayal of how richer indigenous communities will have people marry in for the money. Still happens to this day among tobacco sellers who makes tens of millions a month lol
I can also understand the frustration of the story not being told through Molly's point of view. That said, it's in the title "KILLERS of the Flower Moon". The focus is from the killers, not the victims. I also think that was the right narrative to take in this instance. While MS worked with the Osage people to portray them as closely as possible to reality in the situation, he is not one of them. Their story, their perspective, should come from them and not him.
Highschool NIL is just going to create a bigger rift in the poor teams vs rich teams. It's also going to create a very real potential for locker room and school issues. Giving all these teens hopped up on hormones and bad decisions making skills, more reasons to be jealous or envious of jocks or teammates. Spotlighting even more the inequalities between sports, arts and science programs at school.
If I was a offensive lineman and I found out that the QB just got a deal from someone local, I would absolutely not block and let the defenders have a free rush the first 3 plays of the game. Walk back pick the QB up after the third play and let him know more is coming if he doesn't drop that shit, and stop acting like an entitled piece of shit. At this point high school sports are not long for the world if this continues, and it will go directly to high school kids playing for club teams.
Phil, can you please talk about what happened to Kara Eaker at University of Utah? It is an instance of supreme maltreatment within the sport of gymnastics which is all too common unfortunately and often goes unspoken about. I applaud Kara for using her voice and speaking out, and I think more people should hear her story.
I think the biggest issue with the "love" portrayed between Molly and Ernest is that it's a very European-centric, and male focused idea of what love is. I would argue that it isn't actually possible to love someone while intentionally harming them, and that's just something that shitty abusive men claim they feel, despite never acting in a loving way. It's a way for them to justify a redemption they don't deserve, but still want, so that they can continue to benefit from both inclusion in society, and the labour of women.
On the story about Killers of the Flower Moon, the Osage advisors made some fair points. Crime families are basically Martin Scorsese's bread and butter. He told the story in the way he knows how and that was from Ernest's point of view. We should have more minorties telling their own stories, and the best way to do that is to support indie filmmakers. For audiences we'll get to see stories we wouldn't see otherwise.
While I agree, general audiences dont want to see indie movies. They consume and gravitate towards things they know. Martin Scorsese is a name people recognize and want to see films from. While the best thing to do is support the smaller guy, the best that is likely to happen is lesser narratives being told by big directors.
@@impossiblegirl11 The book is actually from the perspective of the FBI agent that Jesse Plemons plays and is predominantly about the FBI investigation. Originially Leo was supposed to play that role but Scorsese decided to change the perspective and center it on Ernest.
No one’s gonna want to see that. Better to have something made that everyone might see than no one will see. At least a small amount of the normies who watched the Hollywood one might want to learn more though and it’s better than almost none if some random indie guy made it.
I live in Las Vegas and when this happened, a coworker showed me the full video of them hitting that guy on the bike. I've never seen anything so cruel, with such incredible disregard for human life. They drove up to him, beeped the horn twice, and just ran into him. Dude took a tumble over the windshield while they were laughing about it, and drove off.
for the lady who is now "sorry" she is sorry because she almost had to face the consequences for her actions . No way she now thinks the election is now not rigged .
In terms of the high school sports players being able to capitalize on their likeness, I think it's hilarious that the school's first defense was "We're not profiting off of them like that" Correct, you don't make millions of dollars per game because SCALE. That doesn't mean you're not making profit off of them. Between ticket prices, concessions, and merchandise (Not sure about everywhere else but my whole town is flooded with High School sports merchandse.) Also, no, I have never met a person who was "A good citizen" or succeeded in life because they played sports. If anything I would even argue the opposite because some of the worst human behavior I've ever seen was due to sports.
The fact those kids think nah we’re good is disgusting and idk who to blame for how they think. I mean do you blame the parents or where they just born that way not giving a damn about others? I mean people can be raised with the best parents ever yet still turn out to be monsters. So curious to know why people think that way or feel that way
@@TheHollowBlade yeah you could but i wanna know how people turn out that way. because people of all backgrounds can end up being killers and i would love to know are they all born that way, are they pushed or peer pressured into it or raised that way? it would be interesting to know which it more likely to make someone turn out to be a criminal or have the mindset that they can hurt others.
Although that Super Fog was the reason, and it's saddening that seven people lost their lives. The fact that there were so many large commercial vehicles as well as so many regular cars, traveling at such high speeds in such poor visibility, makes me sad that it was such an avoidable tragedy
Yeah, I'm a little confused why no one pulled over and stopped. We get bad fog sometimes where I live and people usually go really slow or if its bad enough, pull off until it passes. But going highway speeds through it seems..... very stupid.
I’m always overwhelmed with emotion when someone goes through an absolute hellish ordeal and yet continues to show grace after. That 85 year old lady is a beacon of how we all should hope to live… even in the midst of pure evil.
Blows my mind she kept saying how nice they were. Even shook their hands as they gave her up to the paramedics. I just dont know why the IDF refused to take her back and they had to get the red cross to take her. Plus Isreal keeps bombing Gaza with abandon and Im scared theyre going to hit the hostages still in the tunnels. Phil is not reporting the full story when it comes to Palestine.
@@chromaticHermit She kept saying how nice they were because her husband is still in their prisons. And the IDF didn't take her because helping people is not their concern. These are two murderous armies she's caught between, and I hope she and her family can find peace... somehow.
@@jergin4596 TBH we won't know for sure until the hostages are all released. As long as a negative comment could potentially harm other hostages, I don't see her making any negative comments.
@@leadpaintchips9461it still shows how poised she’s being considering all she’s been through. Can you imagine how badly you’d want to condemn the people show kidnapped you 😭😭 esp immediately after it happened. It’s amazing she has her wits about her considering.
We have stories about spies and undercover cops who grew to care about the people they were also actively working against. But they prioritized the mission over those feelings. So, it's not unusual to imagine that someone who married for the purpose of murdering a person would fall for them AND ALSO maintain at least the appreances of continuing the "mission."
My mom missed that crash by about 5mins. I closed that night and as I was driving home I hit pockets of fog. I'm saying I couldn't see 2ft in front of me then all of a sudden it would be 100 percent clear. We feel for the families who have lost someone and we hope they can find some peace.
I saw Killers Of The Flower Moon last Friday in IMAX. It was shocking because we got to see the Natives getting killed just because they have revenue from the oil they claim. I know not everyone is going to like this film. But it’s an amazing work of art. And I don’t care if it doesn’t make its money back. Scorsese faced that before with Silence and The Irishman (both movies didn’t do well at the box office)
Honestly I thought it was a little long for the story but very, very well done. Def worth a watch. Especially since I didn't know anything about this story until I saw the movie. So to all the people offended .. I literally learned about the Osage tribe through this exposure and now am learning more through reading since this was just a dramam based on real events.
The Irishman didn't make much money because it was only put in a very, very few selected theaters for a short time by Netflix. And they did that so the film could qualify for a potential Oscar nomination. But The Irishman was first and foremost a Netflix Original film. It never had a wide release.
I saw killers of the flower moon last Friday and thought it was a masterpiece, just absolutely amazing. But at the same time I can absolutely understand why Native American people would be upset at the film. As a white man, who is not even American, I am able to disassociate in a way from the movie and what it says about the real people that were involved in the story. But I imagine that would be impossible for Native Americans, not only for the descendants of those involved still effected by the horrific murders but also it being a continuous reminder about the unjustifiable actions against them, both back then and now, especially with the really life guy, Earnest Burkhart only dying in the 80s, which is so recent it’s insane.
After what Disney did with the story of Pocahontas can anyone really be surprised that the Native American populace is extremely skeptical of Hollywood? They made a love story out of gang r*pe, kidnapping and forced marriage. All of which was done when she was 14.
theyre always fucking upset about something, meanwhile they can't even live on their own land without being alcoholics and drug addicts. It's everyone elses fault for being colonizers
I’m Native Canadian, I wish our stories were told by us. Not through the lens of yet another white man. The hate and injustice never ended. While that man died in the 80’s, my mother was being abused in a residential school at the same time. By nuns. Who hated my mother simply because she was native. They made her scrub her skin raw every night because she was “dirty”. My mother wasn’t even ten yet.
People can't be thankful that these stories are at least being told. If it were a film by some nobody director who happens to have that same indigenous background, how many people would see it compared to a film made by a globally legendary filmmaker who is unfortunately (?!) white? This is the same complaint I have when the trans community gets pissed that a cis person plays a trans person in a film. It's all about ticket draw and getting butts in seats. And the more butts in seats, the more people will come away, potentially, with a deeper care for trans issues or in this case, Native history and injustices. Tl;Dr No one is ever happy at anything, if Marty was Native there would still be people screaming about something.
@@KuueenKumipeople are happy at art portrayed properly but the people it's about ESPECIALLY when it's painful. Your essentially say they should happy for crumbs. Basically shut up and be happy you even get your story told. That's not fair and they don't HAVE to be greatful when the person really benefiting are the people profiting
The killers of flower moon situation reminds me of something similar with the show The Red Road. It was a show that was about the Ford dumping scandal in the Ramapo mountains area. But it focused mostly on this cop and his struggles with his family as well as his conflict with the Ramapough people. It told the story decently but was still a shame it was mostly this cops story and not the people's being most effected story. And that situation was awful. So many people got sick because of it. Its a shame that the people effected most never get to be the centers of those stories, even if its done with the best intentions and with the most respect.
I'm really enjoying the review of comments from the last show. I've watched literally every single show you've put out since the beginning (not kidding) and known you read the comments, but actually seeing that each episode is really nice
People are so thirsty for clout we can make constant efforts to tell people not to film their crimes and these idiots will still film themselves committing crimes. The only good thing that has come with the cancer of social media and thirst for clout.
That super fog pile up is crazy, just about two weeks ago I helped pull an old lady from a burning car, and stayed with her till EMS long after got there, let her daughter and son-in-law (who were probably old enough to be my parents) sit in our car and got them water. And I was not ok for days. Everything smelled like burnt plastic, I kept thinking, "what if that car blew up" one of their three dogs didn't make it out and I kept asking myself if I could have saved the last one. My wife saved the other two. It's sitting with me, like... really hard, and I don't see how people can make it through something like that and just go back to life. Life is hard, and everyone's going through SOMETHING, just be kind to everyone you can.
I don't really go to the movies anymore but I am considering shelling out some money to go see this one. I feel like the only thing studios see is money, so its worth putting some in their pockets if it incentivises to tell more native stories.
That amazon pee bottle story, british guy Butler whatever, i remember when he did the fake restaurant in the UK from his shed and it was appointment only. Good stuff.
One thing I love about Phil highlighting the comments in "Yesterday Today" is the disparity between the comments themselves and the name of the commenter. A really poignant message was left about the pharmacy closure situation by... "FartBoxPuncher" 😂😂😂
I had a good laugh with my Amazon driver this summer when he made a delivery.. I asked him if he needed to use my bathroom before he got back to work. We both laughed which was funny but also sad because he knew exactly what I was referring to.
Part of my job entails knowing and working directly with the cycling community - many of those individuals have become friends so the story about those two teens absolutely crushes my soul. It's bad enough that most people in vehicles doesn't respect cyclists or understand their rights on the roads, so now you take these two soulless kids specifically targeting them. I hope the system ends up making an example out of them both with a LONG sentencing locked up and away from the rest of society who actually understand what remorse means.
You gotta be really, really careful when introducing high school football to new profit lines. I went to a big 6A school in Texas that spent way too much of their budget on football, and it was always a little freaky how much the community tried to merchandize it. We had dedicated fan shops right down the road from the stadium, and a $1mil jumbotron to boot. It's one thing if it doesn't detract from the other kid's experiences and it gives kids a way to make some money off the work they put in, but it's a whole different thing if high schools or projecting parents see this as a money making opportunity for themselves in one way or another.
I have 3 nieces and nephews that are very talented atheletes in soccer/shot put, field hockey and football.(My nephew weighs 240 and is 6'4" has been flown across the country for colleges to acquire him.) All three are being courted by colleges right now. And as much as I would want them to be able to benefit from any endorsements and celebrity and money that they can make. I think it would ruin their high school experience to feel like they have to promote themselves. Even at such a young age that would take The joy and team camraderie out of the experience. Can you imagine the pressure, how difficult it would be as a 14, 15 or 16 year old Being a being a social media star and receiving endorsements? While your other teammates, didn't really get that same attention? Wouldn't it make it hard to actually be a team-- which I thought it was really the point of high school sports was to make friends and learn how to work together and support each other. I think it makes sense once they're in college because they simply couldn't Have time to work a part-time job and of course Because the colleges are making so much money off of their skills but in high school, maybe it would be better for them to just have a few more years, where they didn't have to market and sell themselves as a product.
We don't have really thick fog that stops traffic here in Florida, but we do sometimes get rain so thick you can't see. Some people foolishly stop on the side of the road, but most of us know to just keep creeping along. We slow way down, but we keep traffic moving. Not guaranteed to prevent pileups but it helps.
I’ve been in 0% visibility fog when i was younger going from my grandparents to my house. It was literally like being on the highway with your windows frosted or covered in spray snow.
I started getting the Hello Fresh via your code about a month ago. I am super happy. Not only is it saving us money, my hubby and I get to hang together and cook, which is awesome.
A lot of the pro-Isreali arguments haven't been contextual as much as emotional. The "free the hostages" movement is one that insinuates those who are against Israel's methods are also pro hostages. It just feels manipulative because there's never been a lot of "pro hostage" people out there, but people are acting as if they're a mejority who needs to be confronted. The celebrities who signed that letter just feel like people who were too afraid to say something, and they were served a softball so that they could say they weren't silent.
Pro Israeli state talking points do typically devolve into the assumption that pro Palestine people are pro Hamas or make use of arguments about the type of atrocities committed. The latter I believe is being done to mask how Israel statistically has overwhelmingly killed far more Palestinians in just the past few weeks, nevermind the past 100 years or even 15 years. Then again, emotional appeals in arguments are common if you can't rationalise it. They somehow need the angle of "these people are the worst ever that's why it's fine that we carpet bomb them and commit a slew of war crimes" (to be clear, those war crimes were being committed for years with the occupation and blockades). Because of course, two wrongs make a right, yeah?
Free innocent civilians shouldn't be controversial neither should don't bomb innocent civilians. However when you add in the context of how making a statement about this makes the opposing side fee minimized then you might understand how a non-controversial statement can suddenly become insensitive. This letter is no more in the wrong than the comments that Gigi Hadid made regarding how her heart went out to the innocent children taken by this conflict.
I honestly dont get how anyone can be pro Israel anymore. The news constantly highlights the same events from October 7th, where children and families were kidnapped or killed. There have been claims equating Hamas to ISIS and accusing them of barbaric actions, yet they provide zero solid evidence and are quickly disproven. Meanwhile, my TikTok feed is inundated with videos of people dying, bodies and body parts strewn in the streets of Gaza. Children pulled from the rubble, not all of them alive. I saw a heart-wrenching video yesterday of a man screaming and crying in the street while clutching what remained of his children in a plastic bag ,their body parts in a blue plastic grocery bag!!! In just two weeks, over 5,000 civilians have killed in Gaza, with 700 casualties recorded just today, half of whom are children. Now I hear the hostages taken by Hamas are reported to be treated relatively well. It's disheartening that Israel and the United States have made minimal efforts to secure the release of these hostages, Yet the 4 who have been release were coordinated by Qatar and Egypt. Despite President Genocidal Joe's stated aim to minimize casualties, he has vetoed a U.N. ceasefire proposal intended to provide humanitarian aid. The U.S. allocates $3 billion annually to Israel and wants to send an additional $105 billion to a nation boasting the one of the largest military globally, all while massacring civilians in a region approximately the size of Washington, D.C. In the midst of these events, our government claims to have limited funds for addressing issues like hunger and homelessness, the most expensive healthcare system globally, which often falls short in terms of quality. Our infrastructure is in disrepair, yet resources are readily available for what seems like supporting a genocide. Even the act of boycotting Israel is criminalized, despite the principle of freedom of speech. It leaves one questioning how can anyone be ok with this? I'm not pro hostage, heck I didn't think of myself to be pro Palestine until recent but I've always been anti genocide. The more I learn about the topic the more I start to feel really anti Israel. That being said i having nothing against Jewish. Repeatedly hearing Zionist try to hide behind the holocausts and 9/11 while they are the oppressors pretending to be victims, angers me to my core.
@@Arandonpenguin I'm not sure Israel gets to play the feeling game with this though. Yes they have had 200 or so of their people taken hostage but they have taken literal thousands of Palestinians in the past years. It feel so hypocritical. I'm sorry and feel remorse for the Israeli people and families taken hostage or who have had someone taken hostage I'm just struggling to understand why one group matters so much more than the other.
Longtime listener, never a talker just wanted to say I’m proud of what you have accomplished with your body. As someone going thru same journey. Good job
Those two Psychopaths should be tried as adults! It’s obvious they knew what they were doing was wrong. I’m with you Phil, they should not see the light of day!
Great deep dive into the Killers of the Flower Moon. Absolutely appreciate the depth of your reporting and allowing the parties to represent themselves with meaningful clips and audio given the time it needed to breathe.
With how the teens in the first story were behaving, it makes me wonder about their home life, school, and social life to make these actions be seen as okay in their minds? What are the parents, families, and teachers saying or thinking about this situation? Did they see this coming or not? I’m just curious as I don’t think that this behavior comes from out of nowhere (at least that’s what I would assume). I hope they get punished so they can understand that horrible actions have serious consequences because I worry that they may create more harm to the people in their community if are released now.
I haven't seen Killers of the flower moon myself but yeah it sounds at least like things are being done as properly as possible, like sure in a perfect world we would had a Osage movie focusing on Mollie but in our highly flawed one it is a win to simply have people learn about the story instead of it remaining another skeleton in the closet.
I'm sure those teens are aware that anything they say can and will be used against them. No, I'm sure the judge won't try him as an adult and will seek leniency on his sentencing.
It's crazy to me how much Louisiana has been in the news lately. Not even just the fog but there has been an insane number of wrecks on the interstate lately. And the climate crisis here is one of the big reasons my boyfriend and I are moving out at the beginning of next year. So over this state.
All the stuff going on around the world is quite scary. Especially with the state of the US, we can bairly afford to live in a 2 income household. The costs of war would decimate the nation
That level of arrogance and lack of remorse is *exactly* why they are gonna get locked in a cell and have the key thrown away. Some people cannot be rehabilitated.
@tauntingeveryone7208 I totally agree with you. There's a fine line between justice and revenge. A child's brain isn't fully developed. The current justice system is so focused on punishment and revenge that rehab isn't even considered. Then all you have are ex cons with arrested development and no skills to be a productive member of society. Hell, there's barely any non convicts that are of any use
My uncle is an indigenous filmmaker, Chris Eyre. While I am a white woman, I can't begin to explain how incredible it is to see indigenous people tell their own stories. The perspective, it's nothing that any white person can truly understand. We took everything from these people: their cultures, their lands, even their language. While I can appreciate Scorsese's approach and respect, I do think indigenous stories should be told by the indigenous peoples from their very unique perspective. "Smoke Signals" was the first movie I saw that had that perspective, that tradition, and it gave me a whole new outlook on our history. I was only 17 when I saw it and, it really opened my eyes. Lol, and not just because my step moms brother directed it.
As a 1/16th blackfoot cave lionen snake, I liked the more realistic approach that would of made for a great netflix series, but I guess a psycho thriller from molly's perspective could of been good with a different style too; if you like scary movies, but hopefully alot of us learn not to be too trusting of some types, that are less concerned with gentlemanly arts before we get too old, as we make our way in life; I definitely thought whoever did the cinematics with the facepaint in that last predator movie was pretty great, whenever that was,? while my facepaints only black, green, and brown anyway. I dated a lakota girl once, but it was her native boyfriend that almost drowned her in the creek before her son hit him in the back of the head with a tree limb or somethin once, I'm not sure if demonizing ernest more in the film, would necessarily teach people to be ware of some more childish and friendly types any better though? Some types have gotten better at being the offended dandy without the artistry and especially good at crying with all the alcoholism or the lord, while the city of the dead was recently demolished though, lol?
With the fog pile up it's a massive example of people not slowing down or following at appropiate distance... I've driven in near zero visibility. You go slow to the point even if you hit something it's a tap
Amazon is the fallguy for the logistics problem. I worked at at&t and currently have a friend that works at a logistics company. It's common practice because of deadlines and lack of public bathrooms to pee in bottles. We used to have conversations about the best bathrooms (MC and Starbucks) vs the worst because public bathrooms being such an issue. It's not just Amazon, they are just the fall guy.
The fact that those teens thought a hit and run wasn't serious is apalling
They are children. People like to pretend BIPOC are older than they are due to racist stereotypes. I am not defending their actions but I highly doubt that either you or fransico Franco would care about it as much if they were yt teens.
I blame video games!
@@konradcurze8176their race doesn’t matter, the reaction would still be the same if they were white. They knew exactly what they were doing and they didn’t care. Stop using their race to get them out of this
@@konradcurze8176my guy if they were white my reaction would be exactly the same. Also what's race got to do with this? Anyone can be mentally unstable.
@@konradcurze8176They are FAs
I don't think those kids realize how much their lack of remorse is going to absolutely fuck them during sentencing.
their*
Hopefully life in prison without the possibility of parole
They'll find it in court, though the only sincerity of it will be from self preservation.
@@redemptionhd1422why do you say this? Think about why you dislike these kids specifically.
@@konradcurze8176it's not cause they're black if that's what you're implying. Stop trying to start a narrative here.
The story about the teens doing the hit and run is horrifying. It's inhuman to be so cold.
To me, it says a lot about how they were raised. A lack of punishment and the belief the youth system will slap them on the wrist and the incorrect assumptions of once an adult you get a clean slate all comes into this. A lot of these kids see slaps on the wrist for shoplifting, fights amongst themselves etc and without an adult to say: They are waiting to get you for more then one thing so they can lock you up, they escalate.
I grew up with very few rules, however very aware there would be punishment for breaking the few rules, let alone if I broke the law,. Sure I got up to some typical teen shit like drinking and some weed, but that was the extent, our parents totally knew, but now as a parent myself, I get it was because they knew what house we were at and we would be home by curfew. If they cracked down VS kept the expectations held, it might have been a lot different.
Where do I see the full footage
I really respect that Osage language consultants speaking how they truly feel at an event for the film
Thanks for talking about Killers Of The Flower Moon Phil! As an indigenous woman I had never heard of this story or this movie until my boyfriend and I went to see it recently. It's amazing to see women like me represented even though it's always the same sadness that we still live to this day. Many indigenous women go missing or are killed without any justice even today, so seeing this movie just shows how little has changed in the world for us but the fact that we are highlighted and seen makes me feel some joy in the sadness. I can understand the criticism about the love angle but we just will never really know if Ernest Burkhart really loved Molly. I do wish that the story was told from Molly's point of view since native women are hardly ever the main character, we are always the side character even in our own stories. Props to Scorsese for having real Osage people in this movie as well as their blessing to have this story told. We are making progress from the days when our people were played by white men in brown paint.
Amen! Especially that last sentence. I’m not fully Native American. I’m of mayan ancestry (Latina) but I’m glad we’ve come some what far but Hollywood has more to overcome when it comes to diversity and representation. I still haven’t watched it. Maybe I will.
As someone who worked on security for the filming, they had Osage and other Indigenous representatives at every stage of the production. The cast and crew were respectful at all times around who's story they were telling and what it actually means to a lot of people.
Nice take. I would have to see the movie again, but right now I don't believe that Ernest loved her. How could you poison the love of your life? I agree that Molly could have led the movie, but given the ending I think Ernest as the lead makes sense. Her acting stood out for sure, hopefully she gets nominated.
We need more male indigenous movies with romance in other races
I think the ending of the movie is really crucial, without spoilers but the cameo at the end I think represents how the filmmaker himself is someone with their own perspective as so their own biases. The entire radio show thing is to show how real life tragedy gets made into entertainment all the time and having Scorsese cameo at the end of that asks the viewer the question of if Scorsese himself, despite his best intentions, is also complicit of that. And then that’s why there is that final shot of modern day Osage people to show that they are real people existing today.
I've been seeing a marked increase in discarded bottles on the side of the road with suspicious yellow liquids in them. It's disgusting and to think that this is caused by Amazon is infuriating. I hope they're held to the fire for this one. They've pushed those poor drivers so hard that they're desperate enough to do something this disgusting. Amazon needs to have some serious changes happen in their corporate structure.
iirc, most Amazon drivers aren't employed by Amazon directly. Rather, they're employed by a separate company that only serves Amazon. That's the legal technicalities, anyway. It's a loophole. Sort of like how Apple hires 'independent' factories in China, Taiwan, India, etc., that only makes products for them. That way, when a company gets in trouble for environmental contamination, worker injuries, or slave/child labor, it's the smaller company that takes the hit instead of the multi-billion-dollar giant. Amazon themselves won't see a single shred of responsibility until laws are passed to close the loophole.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826some drivers employed by amazon and some are contractors.
Good luck with that…
theres no fkn way id ever let a company try to punish me for stopping to use the bathroom. Its insane that people are even willing to just let something so pathetic like that happen.
Yeah they're given a ton of work, nowhere to go to the bathroom while out on deliveries without stopping your work to drive to someplace, which is usually not realistic, given the time they have to get the amount of deliveries done that they have, and they'll be fired if they leave the pee bottles in the truck and if they take too long regularly to complete their work. They HAVE to discard the bottles or take them home. And the other commenter is right about amazon having smaller companies. Its actually probably the bigger issue. The delivery partners are small private companies that hire and fire at ridiculous rates, but since they're not directly amazon employees they're basically expendable as a whole and if the numbers fall below a certain threshold, they'll drop a whole delivery partner company in a snap. Most warehouse-centers have multiple delivery partners working in them, so if one fails the others in that building profit from it. They're constantly in competition, and it prevents staff from organizing because if one partner company gets unionized, amazon drops them, since they're naturally not working together, but as competitors under the amazon umbrella, so there is incentive for delivery partners to avoid unionization like the plague.
As someone who lives in Oklahoma, The Reign of Terror is yet another black eye of our state history that gets swept under the rug with the Tulsa Race Massacre. So, for that reason, I'm glad the movie was made, so it has a light shone on it.
Also, I'd encourage those who want to hear Native Americans' stories from their perspectives to visit The First Americans Museum in Oklahoma City. It's a very eye-opening experience.
Amazon being who they are, and having their own employee's piss be the number one selling product in a category has to be the greatest "F U" to a billion dollar company I've ever seen. Knowing their own algorithm failed them so much is bitter sweet in the sense that the common man can pull such an insane stunt, but also scary knowing that the worst among us can do the same. Hoping to see some changes from that alone in terms of people being scammed.
After all of these years of being a fan of the PDS, I've been loving the "Your Thoughts on last episode" section. It reminds me a lot of the Today in Awesome section that Phil retired so many years ago.
The Amazon Pee Bottle problem isn’t just an Amazon problem. As a FedEx Ground driver it’s a problem with our Drivers too. We don’t get paid like ups. We get paid a somewhat decent daily wage.
While the pee being “sold” is hilarious I think it really shows how poorly these companies treat their employees. They expect them to work like robots not humans.
I really think amazon and all these delivery companies need to change the way things are done.. like i love getting my shit hella fast but not at the cost of peoples health and mental.. like idk how the numbers for deliverys work but if we just flatout remove 1-2 delivery would this make it less stressful and awful for drivers? Or is the problem just the sheer amount of delivers every day regardless of same or 1-2 day delivery?
That was the whole point to Oobies video and why he did it.
its amazing how many people say they despise amazon and what they represent but buy soooooo much stuff from them all the damn time.
@@BNezzy right and you don't :)
If you don't care about the people consider them touching your boxes with their hands after likely touching themselves to piss and not being able to wash after.
The story about the two teenagers on a hit-and-run spree disgusts me. I will never understand how or why someone would laugh about killing people with a car around town. However, I do hope the victims get justice to the fullest extent of the law.
“it’s the video games’ fault” is going to be used in court i already know
@@WildChargerPhil is targeting these kids specifically. Think about why that is
@@konradcurze8176because they killed someone?
@@konradcurze8176because it went viral on twitter?
GP has them 😂
I could only imagine being a FedEx Driver in Louisiana during that fog.
I can always hear the FedEx management claiming it wasn’t that bad and they still could’ve delivered their packages. 🙄
That's horrible
And I thought Amazon was bad. Turns out delivery companies are the worst
@@El_Nightmare yeah but the poor Amazon driver gets covered in piss
@@El_Nightmare You have no idea. Very few actually care about the People they employ. Most only are about the money. People are replaceable in their eyes.
@@skilfil All delivery companies deal with Pee Bottles in trucks. Amazon is just the only one that’s been called out for it.
I really recommend that people read the book that killers of the flower moon was based on. I think it approached the subject matter significantly better than the film, and is why I’m so bemused that the film made the active choice to center ernest when he was not at all the focus of the book. In fact, the book is deeply disinterested in speculating about his motives and focuses much more on what mollie is going through. There are several moments in the movie where it is almost as if mollie’s perspective is being actively shifted in order to focus on ernest instead.
Thanks for this recommendation, I will do just that!
Just Scorsese doing Scorsese things
Appreciate the book recommendation since that was not mentioned anywhere although if I did a little Google search I’m sure I would have found it. It is too bad that the people in the film industry who have to make decisions based on how much profit the film will make believe that the mostly white American audience will not be able to relate to a film centered on an Osage woman’s experience.
My best friend & I just missed the crash by a couple of hours. We were traveling to New Orleans to spend the night on our way home to Florida! We had a little fog when we left Texas & as we got closer to New Orleans, we saw the interstate signs with dense fog advisories. I had no idea that this even happened until I saw this video just now. My heart goes out to everyone involved!
I think with KOTFM, Ernest's 'love' was an interesting element. The movie focuses on the family's greed and duplicity and Ernest's relationship with Mollie is the biggest duplicity of them all. Through his actions the movie depicts Ernest as someone who CONVINCES himself that he truly loves Mollie, but his actions completely contradict that (his uncle specifically having instigated the romance and Ernest knowing the whole time what financial benefit there would be in pursuing it). So I see it as exploring how someone can be so deep into a scheme that they convince themselves of a more moral narrative that they're a part of to ease their conscience and still see themselves as a good person. Ultimately the end of the film makes it clear how long that ruse can last and how real the love really was vs how convenient the love was.
Just had this same conversation with the person I saw it with. Every action on Ernest's part was a manipulation while he in turn was being manipulated. The only free-thinking moment he has was when he agreed to testify. By the end, when asked if he loved his wife, he had no clue what his truth even was anymore. I don't think he was ever meant to be a sympathetic character, even when learning about the death of his daughter. By far my favorite moment was the the look Mollie gave him when she asked what he had been giving her. She knew. She always knew. She wanted to see if he would finally reveal to her who he truly was. When Ernest stuttered "I-i-insulin," that was it. Fate sealed. Her leaving without a word was cathartic, while the look of loss and delusion on Ernest's face after the fact illicited a smile from me. "You lost, dude. You lost." Scorsese is incredibly adept at exploring the psychology of men at their most duplicitous. This never was a love story, it was a story of evil men convincing themselves and others that their hate was love.
Awesome takes! I agree with you guys 100%. Though, i would love to see an Osage filmmaker make a movie on the same topic to see their presepective.
I think he did love her but as he repeatedly said "I sure love money". When asked if he was giving Mollie the whole dose he said yes, the next scene was him giving her half and taking the other half. Not truly protecting Mollie but not truly wanting to hurt her and doing it in a way that got him high, the most indecisive and selfish option possible. A weak dim man, who did whatever the last person told him to do.
@@opulentzinger100% needs to happen. I hope it will now. I want to believe this movie opened the door for that possibility. Just based on the final scene alone, I think even Scorsese always knew that this wasn't his story to tell.
@@opulentzingersounds like a good weekend double feature to watch both movies.
My dad's a cyclist. Stories like this always freak me out so much. I've heard too many stories about bikers getting run over.
Add that, in some states/cities, it's technically against the law to bike on the sidewalk where it would be much safer for them, and a lot of towns don't even have sidewalks in a lot of areas... My brother bikes to and from work, and I get scared I might get a phonecall that he's been hurt.
Same my parents love cycling and biking. Crazy to think that’s not a totally safe activity smh.
@@iGotBulletproof-InsomniaAs someone considering to use my bicycle again, yes this is a horrible story, but as a current pedestrian, I still appreciate bicycles being banned from sidewalks and being equal to other vehicles where not having their own lanes, paths and rules .
Makes me grateful to be from Minneapolis which has so many great bike paths and decent bike lanes on busier road. Plus tons of side streets.
I used to bike to work, the city requires bikes to be on the road and I cant tell the amount of times someone almost hit me.
Loved the story about the Release Energy drink. No to make your point to someone who wont listen by getting them to SELL what theyre trying to avoid talking about. It not only exposes the issues drivers face, but will also shine light on Amazon's dubious, if not just nonexistant, product vetting process.
All truck drivers end up peeing in bottles. It was actually one of the most surprising things I found when I became a truck driver a year ago. Many shippers and receivers do not have bathrooms available for drivers, and sometimes because of heavy regulations, we have to stop and sleep where there are no facilities. It really isn’t limited to Amazons van drivers.
I think there is a difference between drivers of that caliber, and local delivery people. The UPS driver for our office, utilizes our buildings bathroom all the time. No one here has a problem with it, and it's in the public space. The issue with the amazon drivers, is they aren't given the time to feel they can even take a quick pee break. Whether that be at a stop they are already making like our UPS guy, or when they happen to pass by a McD's and swing in for a quick potty break. There is no reason a local driver shouldn't have the ability to take a couple minutes to pee while out making deliveries. Of course, truck drivers should have that freedom and ability too, but I also know, many times that can be a personal decision, as much as a corporate one. Once I'm on the highway going somewhere, I don't want to stop either.
Amazon driver here. Our facility has 2 bathrooms for each and they'll shut down one for cleaning periodically. There's also another one in the far back if you don't want to go there. This is about the timeframe. We're given 10 hours to complete our delivery, that's from signing in, to returning back to station. If we're not fast enough, we can be fired. We're given hundreds of packages a day to deliver, from 200, to over 400. I sometimes struggle with getting things done and have to change up my route because people want to try and talk and meet with me, or I'm trying to get myself beat to a place to go. Luckily, my route is near a mountain and there's a few places nearby with porta Johns and I keep my hydration to a point where I'm only peeing 1-4 times in the shift. But some people don't and if they get caught with those bottles in their van, they get in trouble for it.
We don't get paid more for going faster, we just don't get fired for not going too slow
I just finished watching Killers of the flower moon and I found it to be beautiful, tragic and gut wrenching. As someone who grew up native(Cherokee) I can feel the hurt and how Martian honored the natives. I felt that they showed Ernest in a bad light, you can see him turning more into the monster he is and Molly is a woman who gets everything taken from her. It’s a great movie
I go to a university in Louisiana and one of my professors was caught in the crash on his way in from New Orleans. Thankfully, he's expected to be okay and is currently recovering in the hospital, but it's really scary to think about how bad it actually got, people were talking about it all day.
My heart goes out to the all families that lost someone in that chaos.
I was a scenic on KOTFM for 9 months in 2021. I worked with many Osage and met even more. As heavy and grim as the subject matter is, I always felt that we were telling a story that needed to be shared. We were invited to sacred dances and other private ceremonies. I enjoyed the movie, although I wasn't a fan of Burkhart's depiction.
I think the real shame is that so many laws were enacted to keep the Osage from their own money and that is only hinted at in the movie.
Regardless, I'm personally proud to have been a part of this, and have lifelong friends in Oklahoma.
I think that if those kids are old enough to know that they won't get in too much trouble because of their age, then they're old enough to do adult time for their crimes.
You sound like a pdf with that logic. These are BIPOC children.
Right? If they are figuring out how to get away with it is a blaring fucking alarm
Besides, slaps on the wrist never work with someone who fully intended to do the thing in the first place... Unless they straight up didn't know it was wrong, and I mean... they obviously know. It wouldn't be a "funny joke" if it were normal.
I have been saying for *years* now- if you did something awful and your defense is "I'm only X years old" then you're not only old enough to know better, you're also manipulative and an opportunist, and so you definitely need to be held accountable.
Bingo. Massive red flag that the justice system should not ignore.
I saw Killers of the Flower Moon last Saturday. I chose a random movie with friends and went to see it with absolutely no expectations - definitely a confronting plot that was hard to get through. I agree that having the movie centred around Mollie would have been more impactful - to see the events from her perspective, instead of seeing just the scattered pieces of grief as her family is m*rdered over time. I also agree that Ernest was not in love with Mollie. We love to romanticise relationships but truly, even if Ernest married her because he loved her, I have a hard time believing he continued to love her throughout the movie. It’s not love to kill your wife’s family, blatantly lie and poison her slowly over time - how can you claim that to be love? At best Ernest was a spineless and selfish man following his uncle, at worst a nefarious and truly evil person.
I think the “killers of the flower moon” story is tough because I think it shows how important allyship is. Because unfortunately I a lot of people don’t seek out underrepresented voices so they’re often left needing to rely on those with privilege and a public voice to retell their story. And no matter what when telling someone else’s story something will get lost
it's easy to understand that marginalized peoples [also resource poor] will take any publicity and recognition, even if their perspective is bastardized because it gets the convo started....
Sad to see another rich, white, connected person claim moral highground and fail to deliver. Business as usual.
Someone didn't make the movie the way I wanted it to be made REEEEEEEEEE!
If your that upset over it go crowd fund your own movie and find someone you think it more appropriate and let them have a crack at it.
Otherwise keep crying uselessly online I'm sure that'll fix the issue.
@@2MinuteHockey Quit being ridiculous. It's a fucking movie. Make your own if you've got a problem with this one.
@@humbleheathen1.0 who would’ve thought someone who couldn’t read my comment would also have a bad take? With how poor media literacy is I shouldn’t be that surprised so I’ll try to explain it in a way you might understand. This story couldn’t be told on this scale and to this large an audience without publicly recognized large names, so it’s good that they made the movie and attempted to bring awareness to a large audience. It’s good Martin Scorsese involved the Osage tribe but although he did try to understand the events from their perspective it’s something that he can never fully do as it will always be interpreted through his experiences and biases. The point of this criticism is not, don’t watch the movie because it’s not perfectly true to these people’s experience, it’s to urge people that watched the film but want to get a better understanding to actually seek out those voices, to not let KOTFM to be their only exposure to this story. Martin Scorsese functions as an ally here by bringing awareness to an underrepresented story but that can only go so far towards people understanding the events from the Osage perspective. You can be critical of media beyond just saying something is good or bad, things aren’t that black or white. The impulse to say “if you didn’t like it why don’t you try making it yourself” misses the point of media criticism in general. I didn’t feel the need to spell all this out in my original comment because I thought it was obvious and implied but I failed to account for whiny little snowflakes like you, that’s on me.
@@NotSoMax tldr: I'ma massive cry baby and the only thing I'll do is make a novel length post in a RUclips comment section because that ALWAYS solves the issue and because I'm smarter and better then everyone else I automatically win because Im special now back to REEEEEEEEEEE'ing like a loser.
That's all you have to say.
Cry more.
I live in Vegas. That happened right down the street from where I live. I hope those kids get heavily sentenced. Been watching all coverage on the situation and it’s absolutely disgusting to have people out there that act like that after taking someone’s life. It happened early in the morning which leads me to believe that they had been out all night up to no good. I feel like there should be some sort of ramifications with the parenting of lack there of. Sorry to rant, it just literally hit close to home and could’ve been someone I loved. My heart goes out to the family either way.
They definitely will. They documented everything and also they're blk.
That's what happens if noone teaches kids that there are consequences to their actions, if someone beat them a bit as kids or punched them as young men they might have some idea
@nikolaradunovic9858 that's not quite consequence to actions and that doesn't teach consequences that teaches "don't get caught and you won't get beat". I don't remember what I did to get soanked, I only remember the spanking. I did not turn out well. Teaching consequences is letting them burn themselves when you told them ten times to not play with fire and they still reach for the fire so you let them.
With regard to 'Flower Moon' we must remember 1st it's based on the book and I suggest everyone read the book - but the story was really to uncover what happened during that period and the investigation that followed. David Grann, the author, spent years of research with 20 pages at the end of the book outlining that research and Scorsese used creative licence to put the story to film. We're inundated in life with big history and for me it's these smaller lesser known histories that are every bit as important. So I'm happy that both can coexist.
Yeah but at the same time, if a director wants to make a movie about a very real event that occured they don't really get to use the excuse of "creative license" to distort the reality of what happened. They either tell the story accurately or they face the criticisms that they deserve.
@FrostinMyFlakes Reread my comment and try again, and if you still don't understand it, Im not going to waste my time explaining it to you when I said it in very plain language. Also, if you want to know what the criticisms are, idk maybe go look them up? Like anyone with a basic education would do.
@@Fitz1993sorry, I should have known better than to comment on RUclips. I forgot this place is full of assholes. Enjoy your high horse though
@@Fitz1993 as far as we know the story is told historically accurate, the only creative license is with the emotional aspect of the characters which was not written in history, no one truly knows how the characters felt about each other
@@jesusbarrera6916 That's only a partial truth. Yes we don't know exactly how they all "felt about each other", however there is definitely way more than enough information that is readily available which could have been used to portray a much more accurate depiction of the characters, as well as context clues from the nature of society during that period, which is heavily documented...You can't use the excuse that we can't be 100% certain about something anyways, as your reason for not even trying in the first place.
Unfortunately having worked in juvenile detention, I’ve seen kids get out and shoot up the person they got arrested for trying to shoot. I’ve seen kids get off with very lenient sentences because of no prior offenses and age. The justice system in my state is supposed to encourage second chances. That being said we’d have repeat “visitors” to our facility. Multiple times people told me oh he’s been here 3 or 4 times. So the attitude by that kid saying I’ll be out in 30 days was probably likely had he not killed a man, or done the same crime 3 times in a matter of hours. I’m not trying to argue to throw kids in prison but at what point do we realize regardless of brain development, some people are just bad.
I think the real nail in the coffin is the recording, where they prove they know what they are doing and are abusing juvenile laws specifically
Thanks for covering the "Killers of the Flower Moon" story. I saw the film on Saturday, and yeah there's a lot to talk about. I feel like I can't comment on a lot, because I'm not Osage and don't really have the right on whether or not these points brought up by Osage people who worked on the movie are accurate or not. What I will say is that yes, this is a love story at the center of this movie, and more importantly, Mollie does not forgive Ernest for what he did to her in one of the more powerful scenes in the movie. I'm glad people are open to discussing this in nuanced terms and listening to the people that are more directly affected by this, because we need more conversations like this if we are going to get to a point where under-represented people like the Osage or other indigenous groups, can themselves make large movies like this for a lot of people to see. I personally think this is Scorsese's best movie since the Departed, it's very good.
Also, a quick note on that box office comment, Apple was never intending this film to do well in theaters, it will do very well on streaming, which is what Apple has been planning for in the first place (and perhaps released it in theaters first to get more coverage on the movie today so it will do even better when it does go to streaming?)
As a person who has witnessed many and been in abusive relationships as well as studying the psychology of abusers many abusers truely believe they love the person(s) they abuse. Incredibly sad and heartbreaking and hard to understand or fully wrap ur brain around how someone can say they love you and truely believe it and then betray you so badly.
I hope the Native American ppl continue to see more representation.
They must've never heard of being tried as an adult.
One of them is 18. He's already an adult.
@@abraxas6326exactly yes. Let that adult man start the next 30 years of his adulthood in prison! No exceptions.
The 18 year old could get life without parole, let's keep are fingers crossed.
@@mariomario1462thats how the law works tho lol i dont think the court is going to care about mariomario's opinion😅
@@mariomario1462 yes, yes, you’re a p3do. We get it
The police chief in the first story is my old neighbor and its shocking to see how brazen they were running him over. I feel bad for his kids Michael and Taylor. The latter of which talked admirably on stage in front of the media. Those 2 should be made an example of. Absolutely appalling and disgusting
if you are shocked at cartel violence in mexico, i can only assume you were born yesterday.
this comment was about the hit and run in vegas not mexico @@paladro
I wonder how many minorities he fucked over while on the force.
I love how Jenna Ellis raised $200K in legal funds from her followers so she could hire good lawyers, and her lawyers clearly looked at her and went “dear god you’re fucked, please take the plea deal”
This is how most federal crimes work. They stack multiple charges on you even if there’s zero chance they can prove the charge or the charge isn’t applicable, present you with the option of beating all charges or face the possibility of decades in prison. It’s judicial malfeasance for political gain.
@@TheGuardian_TMHaha Or she openly lied in a public, actually committed multiple crimes and has admitted to it. Cope harder retrumplican 😂
@@TheGuardian_TM Defamation and aiding others committing crimes is, oompa loompa enjoyer lol
Tell me, how much did Faux News have to pay for their lies again?
@@TheGuardian_TM???? I mean that definitely happens but in this case it really does seem like she did basically everything she was accused of. Have you looked at the case? I’m not sure why you’re bringing any of that up bc it doesn’t seem to apply in this situation.
@@TheGuardian_TM You know there's this thing called a trial where the prosecutors have to present evidence for their case? Or that prosecutors are legally required to show the defense their evidence? Or that judge can dismiss cases for lack of evidence? Considering the three who plea out are lawyers-two were former prosecutors- they were know that. Oh, by the way-this is the Georgia case. State level not federal. You may have know that if you paid attention to the story.
I watched 'Killers of the Flower Moon' and I have to say I can see where the problem and trust is iffy. It is a story about Molly and her family. But it is shadowed constantly by being told more so by Leonardo DiCaprio's character. I think there needed to be more character development of the Osage characters because I was drawn to them and their story but each time they had a moment it was overshadowed by the white characters. I think Lily Gladstone did a beautiful job and every scene she is in pulled the focus where it needed to be the whole time. Also, showcasing a lot of the violence in your face of the indigenous people was really hard and difficult to watch. But, I did enjoy the movie. I wish it were more focused on the Osage people and their development and the history in which the family dealt with, but for a universal, non-Indigenous audience, it will do the work it is supposed to.
"It is not your fault, it is your problem" applies to those teens. All of the bad influences and terrible upbringing was not their fault, but choosing to not lean into it was their responsibility. Its sad, someone had to teach them that "minors don't get more than a slap on the wrist" No winners here, even if justice is done, and these dangerous people are removed from society.
Agreed unfortunately our justice system is not built on the idea that we need to try to rehabilitate people like this, even though there may not be a ton of hope there. The industrial prison complex is one of those problems that likely won't be addressed in our lifetime.
I feel that you can hold *both* opinions of "Scorsese did as good a job as he could in being respectful to the people whose story he's telling" and "This story suffers from the plight of being a box-office retelling of a real event by having the 'Main Character' being a sympathetic version of a real-life murderer."
Basically: Was the story done well? Yes. Could it have been done *"better?"* Also yes.
Which goes for a lot of movies based on real events
I think Scorsese could have easily been a backer on the film and helped a native director tell the story through the lens of those who actually were murdered. Im saying this as a native Canadian woman. We don’t need yet another white persons version of the events.
@@sarahwatson3192 Even with Scorsese's backing up a native director no way would they be able to convince a studio to just hand over the two hundred million needed to tell this story the way Scorsese did. At most you would get a third of that. And that's if you are really lucky. Currently, there is only one studio who is willing to hand over massive budgets to small directors and that's Disney/Marvel. And this movie isn't a superhero flick.
What if Scorsese did the parts where white people are the focus and a native director fir when natives were the focus. Still mostly Scorsese but has more native involvement
On your second point, no matter how hard you try to show the main character as villainous, people are so Pavlov’d into seeing perceiving then as good simply because they’re a main character.
I haven't seen "Killers of the Flower Moon" yet. It's definitely on my list to check out. Being an indigenous actor myself, I look forward to seeing all representation in film. Along those lines, I highly recommend watching "Bones of Crows". A Canadian production, produced and directed by indigenous talent. Incredible and heartbreaking storytelling...
During the pile-up segment, all I could hear was my old driving instructor telling me "ALWAYS DRIVE TO THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROAD" but apparently these people are happy to drive blind and just hope nothing goes wrong in front of them.
Same! Heck even if it’s raining slightly I always adjust my driving to the current conditions. So drive in thick fog like that at regular speeds? You gotta be crazy.
Even if you slowed down it's not going to help much (might only ensure a rear ending actually) because you're driving on a raised road where you're basically trapped.
@@doubtful_seerah, yes, the good old head in the sand technique, I’m sure that would have prevented this - oh, wait
An other issue is: Rear fog lights are not mandatory in US cars. In Europe every car has an extra bright rear light that has to be activated when visibility drops below 50 meters (55 yards). Also for a car that is running with the fog light the speed limit is 50 kilometers (30 miles) no matter the speed limit of the road. The fog light almost doubles your visibility to following traffic compared to regular rear lights.
@@HiltownJoewow I hope it's mandatory after this. In some fog conditions you can't even see 5ft in front of you. Even if you're going 15mph you have to have a quick reaction
I feel like if high schoolers are going to end up using their likeness and earning money, that this is going to set them up for their parents taking their money or maybe even conservatorship depending on how popular they get, causing more of a problem for the high schooler than just waiting until they get to college to worry about their image. They're still kids after all
I think there are too many variables to only believe on the one worst outcome. High schoolers are children legally. But they if they are old enough to work, then the parents may ask for money for bills, or want rent suddenly, but they want the high school to earn money anyhow. Even if the parents tried taking the money, the child would be an adult soon. So they wouldn’t be able to count it as stable income for themselves. Also, once a child is of working age, the parent can’t just take their money easily. They will have to pay taxes. You also can’t just get a conservatorship easily. There has to be reasons and a judge has to approve it.
I think that aspect would be fixed if they do what they do for child actors and have the money in a fund that can only be acessed by the child once they reach a certain age
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When I listened to the audiobook I also got the impression that the husband probably did love her, so I wasn't at all surprised when they decided to go with that for the movie.
I LOVED the depiction of Molly. I was worried she'd come off flat and cold because of how private she is. But to my surprise she was just as dignified and strong as in the book. The scenes told from her perspective were my favorite.
I always dislike how people simplify live and relationships, because emotions are complicated. I do think Ernest loved or had some love for his wife and mother of his children, but on the other hand it was a TOXIC love because of what he did to her and her people. It was not ok in any sense and that's what makes it so much worse. The fact he cared about her and still did it
Havent yet read or seen it, but heres something Ive learned about people. Love doesnt magically cancel greed, both are very primal & powerful feelings. You absolutely can love someone, while robbing them blind. Im not condoning it, but I can understand it. Our minds are like tailor made to convince us that this is the thing to do, when theres doubt. Only in very black & white world you can separate everything, but we humans tend to operate on the gray. Especially when feelings are in question :)
The KOTFM story is tragic and heartbreaking, and while the film is centered around Ernest I think that is a conscious choice, Scorsese doesn’t make it a “murder mystery”. It’s blatantly laid out in the opening of the movie Ernest (and Bill Hale) are terrible people. The whole movie is showing Ernest falling in “love” with Molly while consciously killing her and her family. Ernest finally admits what he did in the end yet still won’t admit that he was poisoning Molly. None of the people involved in the plot are portrayed in a good light. The violence depicted is very brutal and matter of fact, something which speaks to how nonchalant these horrible men were about what they were doing. Everytime someone is killed in the movie it’s hard to watch and gut wrenching. I get the thought that this is not the best approach to this story, but it is the way Scorsese decided to portray it and I think it works for what he was intending. I think it’s a brilliant movie, one worth watching, but I also think we should take the views of the Osage and other indigenous peoples in.
Yeah its real and grey which people don't like, especially when it comes to horrors such as the osage murders. But it's brutally realistic, how many people even ones engaged in immoral actions for greed convince they aren't doing something wrong even something right? I think by making Ernest think he loved her Scorcese is giving that character true depth, it would be cheesy if Ernest was a mustache twirling villian and it wouldn't have any message about the duplicity of human selfishness and love. I really don't get the controversy tbh any reasonable person isn't leaving that movie going "wow that was such a cute love story, Ernest was a good guy"
I am not familiar with the story (not from the US) and I don't consume true crime or watch movies of this type, but your comment made me wonder. From how Phil told it, it sounds like this Molly divorced Ernest after he admitted to the crimes, but you are saying he somehow managed to kill her after that by poisoning her? Or was it poison he had given her previously that eventually ended up killing her down the road? Either way, that's extremely sad. People suck.
I think it's important to note that when you cast a major star like Leo, the story is automatically going to revolve more around him, even at a subconscious level, than someone you don't know/recognize. But simultaneously, without that major star, you're going to have an extremely difficult time getting any kind of audience in there.
@LadyAurian he was injecting her with poison and claiming it was for her diabetes. Her mother and sister were also likely poisoned. She survived their marriage.
@@LadyAurian Ernest was putting something (it’s not specified what) in her insulin shots to slowly kill her. He admits to being involved in all of the murders but when Molly confronts him about what he was putting in her insulin, he denies doing anything. She recovered from the poisoning but died from diabetes later in life. So he never killed her, but he certainly tried.
Imagine being so absolutely smooth brain that your idea of fun is stealing cars and runner people over. Those kids have no future unless they spend 20 years of it behind bars.
@mariomario1462
They stop being kids when thought killing a man was funny.
You know what I think would’ve made Killers of the Flower Moon more impactful? If the story was exclusively from the viewpoint of Mollie and her family. For (if you didn’t already know the Osage genocide) their deaths to be as blindsiding and backstabbing to the viewers as it was to them. We could be left to question if there was any real love there after the fact, but the important part of the story would be at the forefront where it belongs. That the Osage tribe lived in fear being picked off for their wealth. It’s practically a horror story rather than a crime drama.
I really like that idea, kind of a who done it and why that would lead to heartbreaking reveals and questios. Which is what they would've experienced. I wonder if they figured too many were already aware of it for it to be affective.
I’ve always had trouble understanding U.S sports structure. In Canada highscool to University is not where you want to be if your going to be successful in your sport.
*Edit* before I get yelled at yes playing something like hockey for university means your very good but I’m pretty sure most OHL teams could beat Uni Teams and they’re like 4 years younger
The point is to prevent the exploitation of young athletes. Requiring university attendance or an age limit ensures young athletes aren’t putting themselves into the position of a pro athlete, getting a career ending injury early on, and then having no back up because they have no higher educations.
Edit: in terms of the segment, young athletes have a lot of expenses yet the universities provide the bare minimum yet they they continue to make huge profits off of their image. High school students in competitive sports programs potentially have the same problem. No time to work part time, needing money.
I’m American and I don’t understand it either. Tbh, there is an episode of South Park that explains it best.
@@stephanieharu as far as i know the US Sportssystem, your argumentation is hilarious. Your athlets till just recently couldn't get paid until they reached the highest league in their sport and were tossed aside when they get injured.
@@_prototypwhat’re you on about?
The NFL has no minor league and the NBA one isn't really an incubator. When you declare for the draft in the NFL or NBA you are basically shooting for the highest league because when you declare you lose college eligibility. So college basically acts as a minor league. Baseball is different where most players will go to the minors and a lot go to college first, I think this is because their peak is older so its better to have more experience (also you can declare for MLB draft without losing eligibility).
I saw Killers of the Flower Moon opening night and it really was a hard watch, but I definitely think it's a great film. I'm not First Nations/Indigenous American, but I'm Nigerian and a woman so I can empathise to a certain extent with the painful themes in the film, to the point where I was rocking in my seat in an attempt to self soothe because the film made me want to tear my skin off.
A channel called Native Media Theory made a great video from the perspective of an Indigenous American, and said that the movie wasn't made *for* the Osage people, and that's okay. Not that it wasn't their story, but more in the sense of casting a light on and for the majority of people and how easy it can be to be a bystander, enabler and/or accomplice in the presence of evil.
As for Ernest's love, I genuinely think it was obvious that it wasn't true love. He loved her the way a thief loves money (thanks Neil Gaiman's Coraline for that line), loved her the way a lady socialite loves a big gem on her finger, the way a Wall Street Yuppie loves a designer watch that costs more than most people make in a year. People are upset that he said he loved her, but film is a visual medium and the irony was the point. His *actions* spoke louder than his words. He would glibly murder her family and when she was scared to take the very much poisoned insulin, he blew up at her in a very dangerous way.
I also think Ernest taking just a smiiiidge of the poison near the end (such an infinitesimal amount considering that it takes multiple doses over months if not years to kill) was just a way for him to ease his conscience. Ernest was a spineless coward who always gaslit himself into being the hero or victim. He couldn't handle the guilt so he did what wasn't even the bare minimum to assuage it. He was a spineless kind of evil.
Most of the people who see the film will not be Osage or IA, but it's so important to reflect the mirror of colonialism and evil that oppressed people have been through.
That said, I am not FN/IA, so my voice will always be less significant when it comes to the impact of this film, but I think it's an important film for people to see, and also a respectful one. To think that it's media like film that brings to light real tragedies like Tulsa and the Osage murders... that's heartbreaking.
Also, Lily Gladstone's character, Molly, definitely was an in-depth pov from the perspective of the Osage people and what was happening- or at least, I thought so. The film wasn't devoid of Native POV.
Thank you for your comment, I think most of the hate is coming from people like myself who haven't seen the movie. The trailer really paints DiCaprio as a white savior and puts too much focus on the famous, non-indigenous actors. Truly the marketing failed this movie because people have a higher media literacy and the trailer didn't accurately portray the betrayal you are describing. I'm actually more likely to see the movie now that I've seen your comment.
Amazon is selling WHAT!?
That shoulda been your headline because HOLY shit that's my reaction hearing the opening rundown of topics
the super fog is terrifying, literally looks like the special effects from the horror movie “the mist”
Silent Hill ps1 stuff.
@quillclock someone ik posted the fog w silent hill music in the back loll. thankfully he wasnt a part of the pileup
Mexico declared its war on drugs on 2006, just 2 years after US ban on assault weapons expired. Unfortunately, these 2 events are very much correlated, and reading about how lately some US government officials have talked about the possibility of them attacking cartels but turning a blind eye to how their lax weapons laws affect us is very frustrating as a Mexican.
I have literally had an Amazon driver leave a bag full of piss outside of my front yard like. The plastic bags they used to cover the packages when it rains. He peed in that. so some don’t even get the luxury of bottles.😂
Having seen 'Killers of the Flower Moon', I think the seeming sincerity of Ernest Burkhart's feelings is part of what makes it such a powerful & devastating experience. This is a story of white men using kindness, love & benevolence and twisting them in service of something cruel & evil, and that makes Burkhart's "love" feel potently demented.
I hope we one day do see an Osage perspective on these events, but for what it's worth, I found every performance by the actors of indigenous heritage - from Lily Gladstone to Cara Jade Myers, William Belleau, Jillian Dion and many more - to beautifully captured the pride, hope, rage, confusion & perseverence of the Osage people coping with the broken promises of the wealth they've attained. Their stories, tragic as they were, were most seared into my soul as the film ended. I thoroughly recommend it.
@HighOnCelluloid
For what it's worth, despite me not seeing the film yet, I'm glad Scorsese and company are bringing this story to light.
Hell, I hope we get more native Americans stories told by native Americans filmmakers, actors, etc.
Not saying you're wrong about your description of the actions during the Osage murders being particularly deceitful and awful, BUT I would say that Ernest's duplicity is played pretty literally, it's not a comment of the greater violence and greed itself or about white society's treatment of natives per se, maybe a little, but more so, how humans can do evil things for their benefit while the cognitive dissonance of the knowledge of their crimes make him need to believe he loved her because to not convince himself would mean facing the reality he's committed a grave evil. It's very Scorsese way of writing the character, and something a lot of people just don't like, they want simple, easy black and white answers about tragedies. people even people doing greedy evil things rarely think what they are doing is evil, they do the evil because the monetary selfish gain is too much to deny but very few people will genuinely take pleasure in being evil. Hitler thought he was a savior, Stalin thought he was a hero of the working class, Heisenberg thinks he's taking care of family before he dies. It's cognitive dissonance and a fight between Man's material and carnal desires and the light of good thats in almost all of us even Ernest to a degree.
@@richardbruton1224 That is a very good reading of it. I think that's a benefit Scorsese being such a skillful, patient artist is that he leaves comfortable room for interpretation, and our own interpretations are often part of the message he's selling. I found myself a little disturbed at how I felt almost bad for Ernest because he was so busy poisoning his wife's family that he didn't appreciate the time he had left with his own. Because he's roping us into sympathy for people whom we know from frame one are killing those they profess to love for their own profit. It's almost like he's making a commentary on "both sides"-ism, whiel reminding us that only one side is actively instigating the suffering.
Very nuanced work, and a lot of ways it can be read. I almost balk at the idea of this being a "controversy", when really all that's been happening is conversation & dialogue about art. Truly challenging work inspires that, so I'm glad simply that it's a film that merits such involved discussion.
@@richardbruton1224Well, that does in fact play into the wider context. Europeans colonists often tried to rationalize the brutality they inflicted on indigenous peoples, that’s why dehumanizing them was (and to an extent still is) often a priority. Just look at the eugenics movement. It was almost like a sick and twisted way for them to justify to themselves the atrocities they committed and cope with their barbarism.
@@Clippidyclappidy Again I'm not saying it had no bearing on that you don't have to go into a big speal about it, you're preaching to the choir. Europeans in search of wealth came from the more advanced populated old world and saw the Natives who more isolated were more primative technologically and militarily so in there eyes they thought they were superior because if in there belief if they were equal they wouldn't be primitave (which is of course not true and reductive) (simular to divine right to rule doctrin) which they used as an arguement to ravage and decimate the Natives for plunder yeah yeah yeah. What I MEANT was that when it comes to SPECIFICALLY Leo's character it's broader than just that, don't make the mistake of boiling everything down to the mistreatment of natives, Scorcese himself said it was more than that, it was a universal truth about Mankinds struggle between their greedy carnal desires and the purity and goodness of the soul that even men like him had. WHICH IS WHY he loves or rather wants to love Molly because it in his mind is a coping mechanism to seperate him from the evil deeds he has done, rather than coming clean and doing the right thing which he eventually does waaaay too little too late
SPOILER ALERT: I watched Killers of the Flower Moon over the weekend and was absolutely blown away. I had no expectation that I would truly be able to sit through three and a half hours, and I did just that, and I would’ve kept watching had it run even longer. It’s a heartbreaking story that should truly anger everyone who watches it, given that our education system usually avoids tackling this kind of history. Being frustrated that the movie isn’t in Molly’s perspective is 100% understandable, and I would agree that it is told more from the perspective of Earnest. But I also believe that watching their love story unfold does bring up many questions: What does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be in love? Can you be in love with someone even through absolute despicable acts? I think asking that question while simultaneously exposing truth to this story makes the movie brilliant. Now is it the story that should have been told? I don’t know. But I walk away from that film being heartbroken for the Osage people, and inspired to continue research in and around our history as it relates to indigenous people so that we may not let it repeat itself.
Lol we are repeating it to this day. Look at BC pipeline runs. But lol I get where they’re coming from saying “it should be only told from a Osage point”, he’s a director who researches and makes sure it’s fairly accurate since he knows how people scrutinize films, this will most likely go on too be a classic among Scorseses many classics. I’m indigenous myself so I watched it and found it to be a fairly accurate portrayal of how richer indigenous communities will have people marry in for the money. Still happens to this day among tobacco sellers who makes tens of millions a month lol
I can also understand the frustration of the story not being told through Molly's point of view. That said, it's in the title "KILLERS of the Flower Moon". The focus is from the killers, not the victims. I also think that was the right narrative to take in this instance. While MS worked with the Osage people to portray them as closely as possible to reality in the situation, he is not one of them. Their story, their perspective, should come from them and not him.
@@coppercornand you just know that people would've ripped him a new one if he had tried to portray it from her pov
Highschool NIL is just going to create a bigger rift in the poor teams vs rich teams. It's also going to create a very real potential for locker room and school issues. Giving all these teens hopped up on hormones and bad decisions making skills, more reasons to be jealous or envious of jocks or teammates. Spotlighting even more the inequalities between sports, arts and science programs at school.
If I was a offensive lineman and I found out that the QB just got a deal from someone local, I would absolutely not block and let the defenders have a free rush the first 3 plays of the game. Walk back pick the QB up after the third play and let him know more is coming if he doesn't drop that shit, and stop acting like an entitled piece of shit. At this point high school sports are not long for the world if this continues, and it will go directly to high school kids playing for club teams.
Phil, can you please talk about what happened to Kara Eaker at University of Utah? It is an instance of supreme maltreatment within the sport of gymnastics which is all too common unfortunately and often goes unspoken about. I applaud Kara for using her voice and speaking out, and I think more people should hear her story.
I second this
I think the biggest issue with the "love" portrayed between Molly and Ernest is that it's a very European-centric, and male focused idea of what love is. I would argue that it isn't actually possible to love someone while intentionally harming them, and that's just something that shitty abusive men claim they feel, despite never acting in a loving way. It's a way for them to justify a redemption they don't deserve, but still want, so that they can continue to benefit from both inclusion in society, and the labour of women.
On the story about Killers of the Flower Moon, the Osage advisors made some fair points. Crime families are basically Martin Scorsese's bread and butter. He told the story in the way he knows how and that was from Ernest's point of view. We should have more minorties telling their own stories, and the best way to do that is to support indie filmmakers. For audiences we'll get to see stories we wouldn't see otherwise.
While I agree, general audiences dont want to see indie movies. They consume and gravitate towards things they know. Martin Scorsese is a name people recognize and want to see films from. While the best thing to do is support the smaller guy, the best that is likely to happen is lesser narratives being told by big directors.
Unfortunately, those voices will never be given the reach, budget, or opportunities Scorsese is.
I would like to add that Scorsese's based the movie on the book so the author could have written from Ernest perspective.
@@impossiblegirl11 The book is actually from the perspective of the FBI agent that Jesse Plemons plays and is predominantly about the FBI investigation. Originially Leo was supposed to play that role but Scorsese decided to change the perspective and center it on Ernest.
No one’s gonna want to see that. Better to have something made that everyone might see than no one will see.
At least a small amount of the normies who watched the Hollywood one might want to learn more though and it’s better than almost none if some random indie guy made it.
I live in Las Vegas and when this happened, a coworker showed me the full video of them hitting that guy on the bike. I've never seen anything so cruel, with such incredible disregard for human life. They drove up to him, beeped the horn twice, and just ran into him. Dude took a tumble over the windshield while they were laughing about it, and drove off.
for the lady who is now "sorry" she is sorry because she almost had to face the consequences for her actions . No way she now thinks the election is now not rigged .
She never thought it was rigged. She never believed the lie. She participated in the lie, and she's admitting it.
thats even worse@@veenoir1991
In terms of the high school sports players being able to capitalize on their likeness, I think it's hilarious that the school's first defense was "We're not profiting off of them like that" Correct, you don't make millions of dollars per game because SCALE. That doesn't mean you're not making profit off of them. Between ticket prices, concessions, and merchandise (Not sure about everywhere else but my whole town is flooded with High School sports merchandse.)
Also, no, I have never met a person who was "A good citizen" or succeeded in life because they played sports. If anything I would even argue the opposite because some of the worst human behavior I've ever seen was due to sports.
The fact they think murder isn’t a serious crime is telling.
The fact those kids think nah we’re good is disgusting and idk who to blame for how they think. I mean do you blame the parents or where they just born that way not giving a damn about others? I mean people can be raised with the best parents ever yet still turn out to be monsters. So curious to know why people think that way or feel that way
lack of consequence.
I blame their “friends” i can guarantee these two were not hanging out with people of education and culture.
@@mariomario1462they were literally bragging about doing “juvenile sh*t”. So what, they dehumanized themselves??
@@TheHollowBlade yeah you could but i wanna know how people turn out that way. because people of all backgrounds can end up being killers and i would love to know are they all born that way, are they pushed or peer pressured into it or raised that way? it would be interesting to know which it more likely to make someone turn out to be a criminal or have the mindset that they can hurt others.
Literally I feel the same. As someone who believes in the spiritual world, I know it’s demons but what in their heart started that evil mentality.
Although that Super Fog was the reason, and it's saddening that seven people lost their lives. The fact that there were so many large commercial vehicles as well as so many regular cars, traveling at such high speeds in such poor visibility, makes me sad that it was such an avoidable tragedy
Yeah, I'm a little confused why no one pulled over and stopped. We get bad fog sometimes where I live and people usually go really slow or if its bad enough, pull off until it passes. But going highway speeds through it seems..... very stupid.
I’m always overwhelmed with emotion when someone goes through an absolute hellish ordeal and yet continues to show grace after. That 85 year old lady is a beacon of how we all should hope to live… even in the midst of pure evil.
Blows my mind she kept saying how nice they were. Even shook their hands as they gave her up to the paramedics. I just dont know why the IDF refused to take her back and they had to get the red cross to take her. Plus Isreal keeps bombing Gaza with abandon and Im scared theyre going to hit the hostages still in the tunnels. Phil is not reporting the full story when it comes to Palestine.
@@chromaticHermit She kept saying how nice they were because her husband is still in their prisons. And the IDF didn't take her because helping people is not their concern. These are two murderous armies she's caught between, and I hope she and her family can find peace... somehow.
@@KomoliRihyohor maybe the hostages were being treated humanely?
@@jergin4596 TBH we won't know for sure until the hostages are all released. As long as a negative comment could potentially harm other hostages, I don't see her making any negative comments.
@@leadpaintchips9461it still shows how poised she’s being considering all she’s been through. Can you imagine how badly you’d want to condemn the people show kidnapped you 😭😭 esp immediately after it happened. It’s amazing she has her wits about her considering.
We have stories about spies and undercover cops who grew to care about the people they were also actively working against. But they prioritized the mission over those feelings. So, it's not unusual to imagine that someone who married for the purpose of murdering a person would fall for them AND ALSO maintain at least the appreances of continuing the "mission."
My mom missed that crash by about 5mins. I closed that night and as I was driving home I hit pockets of fog. I'm saying I couldn't see 2ft in front of me then all of a sudden it would be 100 percent clear. We feel for the families who have lost someone and we hope they can find some peace.
I saw Killers Of The Flower Moon last Friday in IMAX. It was shocking because we got to see the Natives getting killed just because they have revenue from the oil they claim.
I know not everyone is going to like this film. But it’s an amazing work of art.
And I don’t care if it doesn’t make its money back. Scorsese faced that before with Silence and The Irishman (both movies didn’t do well at the box office)
Honestly I thought it was a little long for the story but very, very well done. Def worth a watch. Especially since I didn't know anything about this story until I saw the movie. So to all the people offended .. I literally learned about the Osage tribe through this exposure and now am learning more through reading since this was just a dramam based on real events.
The Irishman didn't make much money because it was only put in a very, very few selected theaters for a short time by Netflix. And they did that so the film could qualify for a potential Oscar nomination. But The Irishman was first and foremost a Netflix Original film. It never had a wide release.
I saw killers of the flower moon last Friday and thought it was a masterpiece, just absolutely amazing. But at the same time I can absolutely understand why Native American people would be upset at the film. As a white man, who is not even American, I am able to disassociate in a way from the movie and what it says about the real people that were involved in the story. But I imagine that would be impossible for Native Americans, not only for the descendants of those involved still effected by the horrific murders but also it being a continuous reminder about the unjustifiable actions against them, both back then and now, especially with the really life guy, Earnest Burkhart only dying in the 80s, which is so recent it’s insane.
After what Disney did with the story of Pocahontas can anyone really be surprised that the Native American populace is extremely skeptical of Hollywood? They made a love story out of gang r*pe, kidnapping and forced marriage. All of which was done when she was 14.
theyre always fucking upset about something, meanwhile they can't even live on their own land without being alcoholics and drug addicts. It's everyone elses fault for being colonizers
I’m Native Canadian, I wish our stories were told by us. Not through the lens of yet another white man.
The hate and injustice never ended. While that man died in the 80’s, my mother was being abused in a residential school at the same time. By nuns. Who hated my mother simply because she was native. They made her scrub her skin raw every night because she was “dirty”. My mother wasn’t even ten yet.
People can't be thankful that these stories are at least being told. If it were a film by some nobody director who happens to have that same indigenous background, how many people would see it compared to a film made by a globally legendary filmmaker who is unfortunately (?!) white? This is the same complaint I have when the trans community gets pissed that a cis person plays a trans person in a film. It's all about ticket draw and getting butts in seats. And the more butts in seats, the more people will come away, potentially, with a deeper care for trans issues or in this case, Native history and injustices.
Tl;Dr No one is ever happy at anything, if Marty was Native there would still be people screaming about something.
@@KuueenKumipeople are happy at art portrayed properly but the people it's about ESPECIALLY when it's painful. Your essentially say they should happy for crumbs. Basically shut up and be happy you even get your story told. That's not fair and they don't HAVE to be greatful when the person really benefiting are the people profiting
The killers of flower moon situation reminds me of something similar with the show The Red Road. It was a show that was about the Ford dumping scandal in the Ramapo mountains area. But it focused mostly on this cop and his struggles with his family as well as his conflict with the Ramapough people. It told the story decently but was still a shame it was mostly this cops story and not the people's being most effected story. And that situation was awful. So many people got sick because of it. Its a shame that the people effected most never get to be the centers of those stories, even if its done with the best intentions and with the most respect.
Appreciate the research and hard work taken to present this show on the daily!
I'm really enjoying the review of comments from the last show. I've watched literally every single show you've put out since the beginning (not kidding) and known you read the comments, but actually seeing that each episode is really nice
Maybe don’t tell the psychopaths NOT to film themselves. It’s called evidence Phil
People are so thirsty for clout we can make constant efforts to tell people not to film their crimes and these idiots will still film themselves committing crimes. The only good thing that has come with the cancer of social media and thirst for clout.
"Never stop your enemy from making a mistake."
Reverse psychology can be extremely strong
"Oh yeah? You told me not to film this felony? Well now I'm going to film it out of spite!“
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That super fog pile up is crazy, just about two weeks ago I helped pull an old lady from a burning car, and stayed with her till EMS long after got there, let her daughter and son-in-law (who were probably old enough to be my parents) sit in our car and got them water. And I was not ok for days. Everything smelled like burnt plastic, I kept thinking, "what if that car blew up" one of their three dogs didn't make it out and I kept asking myself if I could have saved the last one. My wife saved the other two. It's sitting with me, like... really hard, and I don't see how people can make it through something like that and just go back to life. Life is hard, and everyone's going through SOMETHING, just be kind to everyone you can.
Super Fog sounds like a villain in the making and with that pile up it is
I don't really go to the movies anymore but I am considering shelling out some money to go see this one. I feel like the only thing studios see is money, so its worth putting some in their pockets if it incentivises to tell more native stories.
That amazon pee bottle story, british guy Butler whatever, i remember when he did the fake restaurant in the UK from his shed and it was appointment only. Good stuff.
One thing I love about Phil highlighting the comments in "Yesterday Today" is the disparity between the comments themselves and the name of the commenter. A really poignant message was left about the pharmacy closure situation by... "FartBoxPuncher" 😂😂😂
I will always hate when letters are signed by celebrities as if it will move the world.
I had a good laugh with my Amazon driver this summer when he made a delivery.. I asked him if he needed to use my bathroom before he got back to work. We both laughed which was funny but also sad because he knew exactly what I was referring to.
Killers of the Flower Moon was a great watch. Definitely a well told story, I was glad I was able to see it in theaters.
Phil: "Look at how fuckin BUFF I am now!"
Also Phil: *"Pumpkin cheesecake gud"*
Part of my job entails knowing and working directly with the cycling community - many of those individuals have become friends so the story about those two teens absolutely crushes my soul. It's bad enough that most people in vehicles doesn't respect cyclists or understand their rights on the roads, so now you take these two soulless kids specifically targeting them. I hope the system ends up making an example out of them both with a LONG sentencing locked up and away from the rest of society who actually understand what remorse means.
You gotta be really, really careful when introducing high school football to new profit lines. I went to a big 6A school in Texas that spent way too much of their budget on football, and it was always a little freaky how much the community tried to merchandize it. We had dedicated fan shops right down the road from the stadium, and a $1mil jumbotron to boot. It's one thing if it doesn't detract from the other kid's experiences and it gives kids a way to make some money off the work they put in, but it's a whole different thing if high schools or projecting parents see this as a money making opportunity for themselves in one way or another.
I have 3 nieces and nephews that are very talented atheletes in soccer/shot put, field hockey and football.(My nephew weighs 240 and is 6'4" has been flown across the country for colleges to acquire him.) All three are being courted by colleges right now. And as much as I would want them to be able to benefit from any endorsements and celebrity and money that they can make. I think it would ruin their high school experience to feel like they have to promote themselves.
Even at such a young age that would take The joy and team camraderie out of the experience. Can you imagine the pressure, how difficult it would be as a 14, 15 or 16 year old
Being a being a social media star and receiving endorsements? While your other teammates, didn't really get that same attention? Wouldn't it make it hard to actually be a team-- which I thought it was really the point of high school sports was to make friends and learn how to work together and support each other. I think it makes sense once they're in college because they simply couldn't Have time to work a part-time job and of course Because the colleges are making so much money off of their skills but in high school, maybe it would be better for them to just have a few more years, where they didn't have to market and sell themselves as a product.
We don't have really thick fog that stops traffic here in Florida, but we do sometimes get rain so thick you can't see. Some people foolishly stop on the side of the road, but most of us know to just keep creeping along. We slow way down, but we keep traffic moving. Not guaranteed to prevent pileups but it helps.
yeah if u see a the fog from afar, one would slow down yeah?
I’ve been in 0% visibility fog when i was younger going from my grandparents to my house. It was literally like being on the highway with your windows frosted or covered in spray snow.
I started getting the Hello Fresh via your code about a month ago. I am super happy. Not only is it saving us money, my hubby and I get to hang together and cook, which is awesome.
It seems like a really helpful service. Even with discounts, it's way too expensive for me for such little food though ):
A lot of the pro-Isreali arguments haven't been contextual as much as emotional. The "free the hostages" movement is one that insinuates those who are against Israel's methods are also pro hostages. It just feels manipulative because there's never been a lot of "pro hostage" people out there, but people are acting as if they're a mejority who needs to be confronted. The celebrities who signed that letter just feel like people who were too afraid to say something, and they were served a softball so that they could say they weren't silent.
Pro Israeli state talking points do typically devolve into the assumption that pro Palestine people are pro Hamas or make use of arguments about the type of atrocities committed. The latter I believe is being done to mask how Israel statistically has overwhelmingly killed far more Palestinians in just the past few weeks, nevermind the past 100 years or even 15 years.
Then again, emotional appeals in arguments are common if you can't rationalise it. They somehow need the angle of "these people are the worst ever that's why it's fine that we carpet bomb them and commit a slew of war crimes" (to be clear, those war crimes were being committed for years with the occupation and blockades). Because of course, two wrongs make a right, yeah?
Free innocent civilians shouldn't be controversial neither should don't bomb innocent civilians. However when you add in the context of how making a statement about this makes the opposing side fee minimized then you might understand how a non-controversial statement can suddenly become insensitive. This letter is no more in the wrong than the comments that Gigi Hadid made regarding how her heart went out to the innocent children taken by this conflict.
Sounds like a whole lot of words to justify and excuse genocidal terrorism and hostage taking.
I honestly dont get how anyone can be pro Israel anymore. The news constantly highlights the same events from October 7th, where children and families were kidnapped or killed. There have been claims equating Hamas to ISIS and accusing them of barbaric actions, yet they provide zero solid evidence and are quickly disproven. Meanwhile, my TikTok feed is inundated with videos of people dying, bodies and body parts strewn in the streets of Gaza. Children pulled from the rubble, not all of them alive. I saw a heart-wrenching video yesterday of a man screaming and crying in the street while clutching what remained of his children in a plastic bag ,their body parts in a blue plastic grocery bag!!! In just two weeks, over 5,000 civilians have killed in Gaza, with 700 casualties recorded just today, half of whom are children.
Now I hear the hostages taken by Hamas are reported to be treated relatively well. It's disheartening that Israel and the United States have made minimal efforts to secure the release of these hostages, Yet the 4 who have been release were coordinated by Qatar and Egypt. Despite President Genocidal Joe's stated aim to minimize casualties, he has vetoed a U.N. ceasefire proposal intended to provide humanitarian aid.
The U.S. allocates $3 billion annually to Israel and wants to send an additional $105 billion to a nation boasting the one of the largest military globally, all while massacring civilians in a region approximately the size of Washington, D.C.
In the midst of these events, our government claims to have limited funds for addressing issues like hunger and homelessness, the most expensive healthcare system globally, which often falls short in terms of quality. Our infrastructure is in disrepair, yet resources are readily available for what seems like supporting a genocide. Even the act of boycotting Israel is criminalized, despite the principle of freedom of speech. It leaves one questioning how can anyone be ok with this?
I'm not pro hostage, heck I didn't think of myself to be pro Palestine until recent but I've always been anti genocide. The more I learn about the topic the more I start to feel really anti Israel. That being said i having nothing against Jewish. Repeatedly hearing Zionist try to hide behind the holocausts and 9/11 while they are the oppressors pretending to be victims, angers me to my core.
@@Arandonpenguin I'm not sure Israel gets to play the feeling game with this though. Yes they have had 200 or so of their people taken hostage but they have taken literal thousands of Palestinians in the past years. It feel so hypocritical. I'm sorry and feel remorse for the Israeli people and families taken hostage or who have had someone taken hostage I'm just struggling to understand why one group matters so much more than the other.
Longtime listener, never a talker just wanted to say I’m proud of what you have accomplished with your body. As someone going thru same journey. Good job
Those two Psychopaths should be tried as adults! It’s obvious they knew what they were doing was wrong. I’m with you Phil, they should not see the light of day!
One of them was an adult at the time (18) the other is 17, so yeah they catching those real charges
We cannot afford to house them. Hopefully a hero takes them out. 🙏🏼
Thank you! I missed the fact that one was 18!
@@PandaSteph1031 it wasn't listed in Phil's story, I've been following this for a month or so now
Great deep dive into the Killers of the Flower Moon. Absolutely appreciate the depth of your reporting and allowing the parties to represent themselves with meaningful clips and audio given the time it needed to breathe.
Thank you, PhillyD, you're a voice of sanity in this insane world.
With how the teens in the first story were behaving, it makes me wonder about their home life, school, and social life to make these actions be seen as okay in their minds? What are the parents, families, and teachers saying or thinking about this situation? Did they see this coming or not? I’m just curious as I don’t think that this behavior comes from out of nowhere (at least that’s what I would assume). I hope they get punished so they can understand that horrible actions have serious consequences because I worry that they may create more harm to the people in their community if are released now.
I haven't seen Killers of the flower moon myself but yeah it sounds at least like things are being done as properly as possible, like sure in a perfect world we would had a Osage movie focusing on Mollie but in our highly flawed one it is a win to simply have people learn about the story instead of it remaining another skeleton in the closet.
I'm sure those teens are aware that anything they say can and will be used against them. No, I'm sure the judge won't try him as an adult and will seek leniency on his sentencing.
It's crazy to me how much Louisiana has been in the news lately. Not even just the fog but there has been an insane number of wrecks on the interstate lately. And the climate crisis here is one of the big reasons my boyfriend and I are moving out at the beginning of next year. So over this state.
Regarding the Amazon "energy drink" scandal.... that Vice reporter's a mad genius!
All the stuff going on around the world is quite scary. Especially with the state of the US, we can bairly afford to live in a 2 income household. The costs of war would decimate the nation
That level of arrogance and lack of remorse is *exactly* why they are gonna get locked in a cell and have the key thrown away. Some people cannot be rehabilitated.
@tauntingeveryone7208 I totally agree with you. There's a fine line between justice and revenge. A child's brain isn't fully developed. The current justice system is so focused on punishment and revenge that rehab isn't even considered. Then all you have are ex cons with arrested development and no skills to be a productive member of society. Hell, there's barely any non convicts that are of any use
My uncle is an indigenous filmmaker, Chris Eyre. While I am a white woman, I can't begin to explain how incredible it is to see indigenous people tell their own stories. The perspective, it's nothing that any white person can truly understand. We took everything from these people: their cultures, their lands, even their language. While I can appreciate Scorsese's approach and respect, I do think indigenous stories should be told by the indigenous peoples from their very unique perspective. "Smoke Signals" was the first movie I saw that had that perspective, that tradition, and it gave me a whole new outlook on our history. I was only 17 when I saw it and, it really opened my eyes. Lol, and not just because my step moms brother directed it.
As a 1/16th blackfoot cave lionen snake, I liked the more realistic approach that would of made for a great netflix series, but I guess a psycho thriller from molly's perspective could of been good with a different style too;
if you like scary movies, but hopefully alot of us learn not to be too trusting of some types, that are less concerned with gentlemanly arts before we get too old, as we make our way in life; I definitely thought whoever did the cinematics with the facepaint in that last predator movie was pretty great, whenever that was,? while my facepaints only black, green, and brown anyway. I dated a lakota girl once, but it was her native boyfriend that almost drowned her in the creek before her son hit him in the back of the head with a tree limb or somethin once, I'm not sure if demonizing ernest more in the film, would necessarily teach people to be ware of some more childish and friendly types any better though? Some types have gotten better at being the offended dandy without the artistry and especially good at crying with all the alcoholism or the lord, while the city of the dead was recently demolished though, lol?
@@michaelborror43991/16th? 💀
With the fog pile up it's a massive example of people not slowing down or following at appropiate distance... I've driven in near zero visibility. You go slow to the point even if you hit something it's a tap
OK there's a lot going on here but I gotta say that Phil's pronunciation of "Yocheved" absolutely SENT me
Amazon is the fallguy for the logistics problem. I worked at at&t and currently have a friend that works at a logistics company. It's common practice because of deadlines and lack of public bathrooms to pee in bottles. We used to have conversations about the best bathrooms (MC and Starbucks) vs the worst because public bathrooms being such an issue. It's not just Amazon, they are just the fall guy.