Its not even their B material its like the scripts that got rejected a hundred times but got made because Disney just wanted content released on a monthly basis
It's more like thinking you were starting the campaign, finding out it was a false start (WV), THEN starting it (Loki), but continually getting side-tracked
@@contentcorsair Loki is 100% skippable. That ending has had no impact on any MCU films. The whole concept and rules of the TVA are established and changed because of Kang in the same show so you can skip Loki and miss nothing.
I think the movie mentioned that the corruption of the Darkhold was partially to blame for Wanda's irrationality, but I think they should have put more into showing her mental deterioration than the quick post credit scene of wandavision.
Yeah plus they mention the darkholds author Cthon, the origin of Wanda’s chaos magic. If they added him like he’s a whisper in Wanda’s head to go further and ignore all reason like in Midnight Suns it would have been interesting
I've always hated the trope of character A is literally low IQ because the plot requires it. It is forgivable if this the first time the character has appeared and part of there character is being a literal idiot, but if the character is established to have a functioning brain and you use a plot device to make them dumb, all so the plot can happen, then you've lost me.
Before this film, Agents of Shield showed exactly how exactly darkhold corrupts everyone who reads it. I think the audience who has watched that show would get it easily on why Wanda went crazy, compared to those who haven't.
I like that the solution to Wanda’s problem was to pull a Rick & Morty and take the place of another timeline version of herself who died at the right time. You’d think a screenwriter who also worked on the show would at least point out the option, but somehow that didn’t happen
But Wanda going to another Universe that isn't her own puts both her universe and that universe at risk of an incursion. Travelling to another universe was never an option to begin with. When two realities clash, it will cause an incursion. Only beings that don't exist in different realities can travel the multiverse without causing an incursion.
@@ArvinDelRosario all the more interesting to watch though... Plus, it would make kahn the conqueror debut and the tsa tie in nicely to the cinematic world.
@@ArvinDelRosario A) Strange did not know that at that point. B) Wanda did not know that at that point. C) Gamora and the dust of everyone else from 2014 seems to be doing just fine.
@@fullestauto8912 the 2014 Gamora is fine because she’s an alternate timeline version of herself for her to cause an incursion she would have to be from another universe
Can we all appreciate Jon Bailey's J.J. Jameson voice? It's perfect!! Edit: Thanks for all the likes, guys and gals! Never had a comment with this many likes until now! Thanks for agreeing with me on this! Keep 'em comin'!!
Yep was saying same for ages (whole "plan"), even had few ideas how to fix some issues - it boggles the mind how professional paid writers of this huge franchise can be so blind ?!?
@@KingOfMadCows That was the first universe that Wanda found in the movie. They could even say from which Universe Dr Strange came after he escaped with america from Wanda
“That plan is super evil, and super stupid, now if it was revealed that some evil demon guy was manipulating you for his own evil ends that would make way more sense”
Thank you for pointing out these plotholes! The whole "A universe where Wanda's kids are orphans"-option has bugged me since I've watched the movie, it's just so obvious! It's just like when Thanos decided to reduce the overall population of the universe instead of just giving people enough ressources. They didn't do themselves any favors with the snap, especially when they intend to reveal other secret races or societies. It would be helpful to at least hear or see how Namor dealt with the Snap and the Blip.
More resources doesnt stop the lack of resources problem neither does halving the people. Cause of the simple fact tbat humans SUCK so people are gonna end up hoarding and taking too much
At least in Wanda's case, she... was not right in the head. She was corrupted by an evil book and mad with grief. You can allow for human error in times like this.
@ty775 the directors said that the only reason Thanos didn't double the resources was because he didn't want to. He was dead set on proving that his kill half the population plan would have worked
@@darrenkey207 I consider it a plothole that they didn't even bring these obvious solutions up. Sometimes it's about being transparent as a writer, to include and deconstruct obvious solutions and explain why they wouldn't work - just to show the audience that you as a writer are aware of it. Just throw in two lines. Iron Man: "Why not just... double the resources? You can do anything with these stones, can't you?" Thanos: "And then what? The greedy will become greedier, the poor will have even less. True balance can only be achieved if all are treated in the same way." Or regarding Wanda, especially after they established that the Multiverse is basically endless with countless possibilities: Strange: "Have you considered that there might be a reality were your children are alive, but you're not? Where they could be in dire need of a mother?" Wanda: "Of course I did, that was my first instinct! But the Multiverse is vast, Strange, even bigger than you or I can imagine. Millions of possibilities, so many realities, where I don't even HAVE children! But then, my dreams led me to my sons! I'm not letting this opportunity fade away."
This was an amazing video, you guys have been killing it. Having nothing to do with that, does it bother anyone else that in Multiverse of Madness Wanda mentions her kids, but ignores vision. I mean at the end of the show she clearly wasn't over his death. Yet come that movie she is searching the multiverse for her kids but chooses one of infinite where her husband doesn't exist and doesn't even entertain the notion of finding him again
I thought about that too but the children would be easier to fool then the husband. If they made the switch he would probably feel something is off. Not to mention she would not know their living situation off the bat. There would quite the adjustment period. But who knows, by the time they even find the “perfect” universe, Wanda would hopefully mellow out by then and maybe just not even worry about it
@@yaminogame I don't know why anyone has to be "fooled". The guardians didn't seem to mind that they suddenly got a Gamorra from a different timeline... For all we know it's a nearly exact copy.
It wasn't a flaw. Sam isn't supposed to do their jobs for them. He's busy fighting Super Soldiers, terrorists and Aliens. All while being denied bank loans and being racially profiled. I'm sure it's enough of them to sit down and strategize. Why were they just sitting on a building full of food and supplies anyway?
@@darrenkey207 exactly the situation is more complicated than that and saying do better is an empty platitude, just because you have a lot of resources does not mean you have to share it across the world Even with the power of the world nations combined they still can't feed everyone in the world, someone's going to go hungry someone's needs are not going to be me, fast food restaurants public schools and colleges throw away thousands of dollars worth of food away everyday that could be given to the homeless for the simple excuse they might get sick they are eating garbage they have the strongest stomachs on the planet
The problem with MCU phase 4 is mainly the bad writing, plot holes and weak villains (also the declining quality of VFX due to poor planning and overwork of VFX artists), unlike some people who defended them by just saying they are setups for phase 5 or some are experiments, which do NOT offset these flaws at all.
Honestly, you bring up a good point about Namor, you would think he would've made his presence known to the surface world during the Snap since he clearly is devoted to his people and since he wasn't much of a rational person and still holds a hatred to the colonisation of his people, you'd think he would've jumped the shark (pun intended) and blame the surface world and probably gone to war during the 5-year gap considering half of the people of Talochan must've gotten dusted. I mean we all saw what he did to Wakanda after Nakia unintentionally killed a Talochanian, Namor would've gone ballistic on the surface world. BTW Namor was such a fantastic antagonist and Tenoch Huerta killed it.
Except that Namor would have no way of knowing the reason why his people got snapped. I doubt people at Talokan watch the news and if they did they would easily expose themselves.
Fair point. But then again we saw in the film how impulsive Namor is when it come to safety and security of his people nd I imagine watching half of your entire civilisation fade away must've been traumatic and lead to him seeking some kind of answers to seek closure. In fact I could imagine that Namor could've in fact sent small scouts out to find answers yet keep a discrete profile without thr surface world noticing them as they are proven to be quite a stealthy civilisation, sneaking up on the oil rig in the film, in addition to having technology for occasions when they would have to arise out of the oceans for decades. Surely some scouts could've informed Namor of how this was a worldwide situation and some means of gaining information could've doable thus could've lead to Namor making his presence known to the world. I'm not trying to be negative in any way it just seems like funny plot hole to point that sounds quite intriguing to have seen. But I digress.
You do have a point, and at the bare minimum I could've imagined at least 5% of Talochan's population must've gotten dusted as it is a major civilisation with who knows how much of an empire they have below the sea. But then again considering Namor quite literally flooded Wakanda and murdered hundreds of people, including the Queen herself, all just as a warning for the fact that one Wakandan inadvertently killed a single member of Namor's people, only makes me imagine how even more hostile and relentless Namor could've been hhad he gone to war with the surface world as even if he didn't know it was Thanos's doing, Namor is clearly an irrational person when it comes to the safety of his people and would kill hundreds for the death of one Talochanian, thus he could've killed thousands even millions out of pure grief, anger and bolted up rage against the action of colonisers fron the past and putting said hatred towards the surface world, which would've been likely to happen during rhe 5 year gap.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu considering how small the chance is that she finds a reality where earth even exists and her kids are just like Tommy and Billy, I guess its possible to specify a little further
That's still a dumb reason. She could simply also adopt Chavez and train her to properly use her powers. That way Chavez gets a home while Wanda gets a daughter as well as have her powers on hand at all times. There's also the option of finding a way to take her powers without killing her or study her powers to create a spell that can replicate her dimensional hopping.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier made me so happy. That monologue always pissed me off. These people are ACTUALLY trying. Sure they're not perfect but they're in a no win situation. Someone is always going to get hurt. I'm sorry Cap but you can't just yell at these people to "do better" when you don't have any ideas yourself.
@@josephnewsome2935 hypocrisy is all over phase 4. I'm sure the precious phases had it too, but it's all the more noticeable and in your face in phase 4. Heck, I'm noticing it and I'm not even watching any of it. That's how in your face it is.
OMG!!! Loved this!!! Jeff's Namor was pretty impressive!!! Loved the Scarlet Witch scenes!!!! This was just pretty incredible!!! Well done to all involved!!
The Namor thing is applicable to, like, every secret group or independent entity that gets revealed in the MCU after Thanos. They all should have both cared and been involved. I will say that a lot of people tend to overlook something in the Wanda-Strange conversation; he suggests working with America in the actual movie. She shuts it down with an (albeit irrational) argument that she needs the power so that she can travel across the multiverse to find the cure to anything that might ever happen to her children. The bottom line is that she's gone mad, not that she's actually come up with a "reasonable" (her word) plan.
She literally controlled a monster that could travel through the multiverse at the beginning of the movie. I spent that entire movie after her plan was revealed going, "but why though?"
@@adrianrenteria4229 the original plan was to use that movie to build up wanda to become a villain, but the director decided he wanted to "play with the character" instead. They stopped seeing them as characters and more like action figures
@@nathanieldiaz5254 not really. NO WAY HOME Plot hole is valid. There was no mention of data and Videos being erased. Especially considering he managed to rent an apartment afterwards, which requires as ID and stuff. I love NWH, but the movie is Fanservice 1st, Plot 2nd.
@@raahim11 The post credit scene shows that only evidence of Peter existing that was open to the public was erased. All his personal items were safe. And no the movie is character first even though fan service (done right) is a big part of it.
@@mackenziehunter4593 Then mention that facr in the Movie. Or else it is Headcanon. There is literally no mention of him forging his new identity. also, again, No mention of Video, Books, news etc data being deleted by the spell
Multiverse of Madness did try and cover it somewhat with "Wanda believes she needs the power herself so that if some other problem came up like her kids got sick she'd be able to just go to a universe where there's a cure" but that feels like it was something thrown in late like "eh sure that all makes sense now"
exactly. Like she just told a guy "What mouth?" and straight up erased it. She is not facing any issues with her kids getting an uncurable disease or the likes.
They make it seem like the dark hold was corrupting her but it's literally destroyed in the movie. Not to mention the movie spits in the face of WandaVision which was all about Wanda coming to terms with her grief. She was set up to grow as a person. It was real tonal whiplash what they did with her.
The no way home was not a plot hole. As soon as the movie was released the authors were asked about it, and they said they were debating on whether to show how it erases memories from social media and the book and everything but didn’t because they wanted to focus the end the movie on an emotional tone. That was long before they added the scene in the extended cut.
@@DannyLee-zv9gl so JK Rowling wakes up and says all of Harry Potter was dreamt up by a mouse in a subway station and it automatically becomes fact ? If it wasn't in the movie then it doesn't mean squat. Sure supplementary information can come later but that doesn't make it any less of a plot hole.
@@DannyLee-zv9gl here’s the thing. If you delete it then add it back in to a version a fraction of the audience will ever see then it’s not relevant. It’s like Disney-wars where the imps are running then loosing then winning them loosing despite the only organised forces against them apparently being a squadron of I-can’t -believe-it’s-not-an-xwing one dropship and a few VERY sociopathic leaders who think a 99.99% attrition rate is just fine so don’t question orders and obey your betters.
For me it was obvious that spell worked that way that it changed everything including social media, videos and basically everything that would remind anyone of Peter Parker. There is no plot hole here, just fan weird limitation on spell.
For FATWS, the senator should have said "didn't she use violence and threats for political gains? Making people afraid and feel categorised in the process? This is literally the definition of terrorism."
It's also what people who have been called heroes in history have done to free or progress a group of people. So Falcon's points regarding that are still valid. She wasn't doing it for malicious purposes or to just cause terror.
I like how they marked the exact moment FalconWinter soldier went from very watchable with a few dumb scenes to what are they doing to Cap. Also his custom needs to look better for the movies the wings look dumb.
I was tempted to Say that. Tenoch has a overall pleasant shape(Just, while other duperherors are ripped as hell, Tenoch was toned and approachable), but this One has a far more sculpted chest.
The Multiverse Of Madness one was spot on. Like, that movie had so many collosal plotholes it was just astounding. The fact that there are actually people out there who think that plotholes don't matter and that being concerned about the logic of a film is for killjoys just pisses me off.
America wasn't the only being who could travel the multiverse. That monster she sent after America could as well. Between that, the "dreamwalking" or whatever, her ability to reshape reality itself, and having a functioning reproductive system, it seems really strange that she couldn't solve the "I want kids" problem with little to no help
2:29 I had this same thought while watching, but theirs a explanation to why this don’t happen, it’s like the apocalypse thing, if the change wasn’t big enough the ATV sensor doesn’t detack the timeline. Meaning that this gum probably did something BIG, like choke a avenger or something
6:44 I wouldn't consider it a plot hole tbh, they just didn't explain it in detail. I had already assumed Doctor Strange's spell would affect physical evidence of his existence anyway, I was just prepared to wait for them to show us the extent of it in Spidey's next film.
But wouldn't it have accidentally brought in a bunch of media and stuff of Spider-man that didn't exist in their universe before, not just the villains?
Disney is straight up Vought.... like they have no love for women or minorities or ANY marginalized groups BUT they sure will pretend and virtue signal their butts off because thats WAY easier and quicker than actually writing good stories with minorities.... right next to Maeves Wild Ride they should play that dumpster fire of a show She-Hulk
@@nathanieldiaz5254 A-train thinks his status as a top-level hero gives him unique qualifications to weigh in on political tensions. His misguided attempts at using his platform to "preach" solutions come off as tone-deaf at best and disastrous at worst. Energy drink commercial and the Blue Hawk situation as an example.
@@lilcory2000 really? Most of the Spider-Man stories I've seen have sad endings. He'll typically break up with his love interest or someone close to him will die, sometimes both. Being miserable is kind of key part of Peter's character.
@@Darkbeast42 ho that's why people are mad that makes more sense and makes me more confused about why poeple not like the ending?? Peter hot his ass handed to him left and right for doing the right thing
In No Way Home, it's not only people will forget Peter Parker but every bit of information that is there about in the world will be erased as well. His photos, social media accounts and posts, his identity is wiped out of reality
What a hilarious video, top-notch performances from everyone involved, including Jon Bailey as JJ. Speaking of which, now that Jon is the new voice of Grapefruit on Annoying Orange, maybe we’ll be seeing The Warp Scone visit the kitchen in the near future? Davis as Danish, Schroeder as Schronut, Brian as Fishcake, Odom as Oatdom, and Ryan as Rye-Bun. How awesome would that be?
Damn. Now I’m wishing they’d made Wanda more complex in MoM. I’m imagining a movie where she doesn’t want to kill Chavez but instead kidnaps her and forces her to take her to every universe until she finds one that she’s satisfied with. It also could’ve been interesting to see Strange and Wong travel through every universe to track them down so we could’ve still gotten the new characters and worlds and same hijinks/horrors but more refined and nuanced. It could’ve been interesting to see Wanda find herself unexpectedly bonding with Chavez during all this and through that heal the trauma of losing her children, maybe she even makes peace with the sad truth she never really had kids and decides to mentor Chavez but then it’s revealed they might have found a universe with her boys in it. I’m not sure who the “villain” would be in this version but I just think it would’ve been more complex than…what happened.
they should have went with the captain america and the winter soldier route that insted of making wanda the villain he becomes an ally to doctor strange and theyre both agaist a menace that challenge them in their character grow, plus they can actually do shit with mordo since his plot line went no where at this point
Kingpin in Into the Spiderverse did it really well .... He forced the scientists in his facility to build a collider to find his wife and son in a parallel universe.... That was amazing.... That film was incredibly well written MoM is just TRASH
This was one of your funniest videos yet but here are my thoughts: There's no way Namor and his people could've known about Thanos' motivation to wipe out half of all life even if they somehow knew that Thanos was coming to Earth. You already pointed out that Marvel fixed the plot hole of No Way Home with the extended cut so I'll just say that the part was funny even if it was innacurate.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 which begs the question: how did he restart his life, let alone do so so quickly? He has no money, no ID, birth certificate, nothing from his home (such as clothes) he quite literally had to start over with what he had on his back at the time: his suit. Also that contradicts the actual spell. Forgetting about somone and erasing physical evidence of that person are two VERY different things. And that's not even getting into the amount of causality rewrites needed to repair the ripple effects Peter had on the world. In other words, they committed the dreaded double fuck up. They made a plot hole to try and fix a plot hole.
@@corruptangel6793 I misphrased it the first time. The post credit scene showed that only evidence of Peter's existance that was known and open to the public was erased. So stuff like his personal items wouldn't have gotten erased. And it's very easy to assume that Strange just did a double spell it's not far fetched.
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This is why I think they screwed phase 4 up with not having Mephisto or Nightmare released from the actions of Loki. They should have been the ones manipulating Wanda and blinding her. Ironically in the same way she manipulated Stark. Using her to go after America Chavez for themselves. The spell going wrong in No Way Home should have been as well directly linked to Loki killing He Who Remains, been released before Multiverse of Madness and featured America Chavez like it was originally intended. Basically the end of Loki should have been the main catalyst kicking off the events of phase 4, you get No Way Home building into Multiverse of Madness and then linking to Quantumania with Casey secretly exploring the quantum realm and being kidnapped.
5:37, I legit thought that's what they were going to go for, and that like a Flash comic, where the twist is that "everyone" means EVERYONE, so, Spiderman forgets he's Spiderman. That would be a much better movie.
The annoying thing is that the MCU has these contrivances, but if you think about it for a minute, you can find a better way to execute the plot without contriving it. And it annoys me to no end that these contrivances have either easy fixes or actual improvements to the plot, but rather than fix it, they just left it contrived
6:45 How is this a plot hole? The spell erased everyone memory and removed physical stuff that point to him as a person that existed that's how I remember it working.
The spell was to erase everyone's memories of Peter Parker, not to destroy all evidence of spidermans identity, all the videos and news footage still existed
It was a memory wipe spell, it was meant to erase the memory of Peter Parker from everybody's mind not erase all evidence of Peter Parker's existence the evidence that he existed, still exists his social security number, ID, news footage, all of that still exists, people just forgot who he was
Does that mean Hulk knew of the people of Telokan and it wasn’t a big secret after the reverse snap? Knowledge of half the universe’s life would have been brain overload so he simply forgot.
Warp Zone Recruiting: "Okay boss, I found two Latino guys, a Black guy, and a white woman." "Well shit. I guess we'll skip Shang-Chi and The Eternals."
The Spider-Man spell absolutely undid physical evidence that Peter was Spider-Man. Like, that's not even a plot hole. That's just something we can assume because it is incredibly obvious it would have to happen. It's like how we know that the characters eat or use the bathroom even though we rarely see either happen on screen. They don't have to spell it out because we all understand that's how it works. You have characters; they use the bathroom. You rewrite reality with magic; that magic also removes material evidence that reality was rewritten.
This is a really good point and this specific part of it is why certain Marvel stories where this happens but ONE character with some extraordinary way of remembering the original way things were are so interesting.
1:13 look if we were in comic or have traditional t’Challa. They wouldn’t have even help till thanos came physically. These two were very “every country for themselves”
The Capt America/Falcon bit where they’re asking “ok what’s your suggestions” made me LOL so hard. That’s literally what I was thinking when I first watched that episode.
Great job on the video! Although you missed a golden opportunity at the end. Have Dr. Strange convince Wanda of his actually brilliant plan and then have TVA agents come out and erase both of them, shouting "Sacred Timeline!"
Uh bro there is no more Sacred Timeline shit after He Who Remains' death. He clearly said that his death would break open the multiverse and branch out timelines and realities.
Ngl, multiverse of mandess shouldve had wanda asking strange for help to find a new universe where no magic stuff happens, and she can live happily, but when she enters it, it causes side effects in the normal world, and strange has to fix all the side effects and destroy monsters that the side effects caused all by himself. That sounds way better imo
When was it even implied that Namor knew what Thanos was doing or that the Battle of Wakanda was happening, or even what the Infinity stones, or gauntlet were, or what Thanos wanted to do with them?
6:00 Love how you don’t realize that this exact memory eraser plot happened in the comics and they literally explained this exact possiblity. Not only is all prof of Peters history erased (besides an ID of course) but in the comics when Doctor Strange erased the memory’s of The Sentery from everyone on earth. All evidence he exists was gone to and any that somehow still exists, even when people find or see it they will immediately forget again, their memory’s will reset or their minds will just tell them to ignore it or that it’s not real. So even seeing the video Mystiryo posted on line, the spell will cause them to simply ignore it in their minds and just avoid all evidence presented to them that Peter Parker is spider man. That’s how this works Lmao I’m not asking you to have read EVEYR Marvel comic ever… Just to be aware of that specific arc lol
That's a different universe... And it was explained (poorly) in that arc. People remember Peter's role in Civil War and being on team iron man but don't remember his identity despite being part of the registration act involves revealing ones identity? Comic inconsistencies would take too long to go through...
@@TheWarpZone Yeah comic ret cons and plot holes are always inconsistent. Like from what we know in the movie the memory of Peter Parker was erased but not the memory of spider man or everything he’s done in the past. Like how in Doctor strange 2 we know he remembers the events of No Way Home and helping Spider-Man but he doesn’t remember knowing who Spider Man was for that story, so people remembering who he was in Civil War still makes sense considering the memory of spider man was always gonna stay in tact… But yeah, it’s really inconsistent and has a lot of plot holes that don’t feel fully dived into or explained properly Like the events with the Sentry spell, we know that’s a difficult universe but it’s a similar kind of spell that likely has the same kind of rules. Especially considering we know how most magic across the multi verse that sources like every version of Doctor Strange tap into, is a multi Versal source from a higher god above reality itself. And we know the MCU is a part of the comics Marvel Multi verse (by default) so it is fair to assume that Strange used the same kind of Spell as the one in the comics Earth 616. So all evidence of Peter being spider man, even if it does still exist. Will likley just have people immediately forget or their minds will reset as we’ve seen it work in other universes But yeah, it’s a little weird and vague so it’s hard to compare it at full face value for how it’s supposed to work
3:28 "But Captain, we are in this power position to atend the will of big corporations. And they will not try to "do better" as you mean because they simply want to keep their luxuries, control and don't give A DAMM for anyone who is not on their social group. Solve THAT problem with your shield.."
The Spider-Man one has already been addressed completely. The magic tampered the evidence. For the Namor one, they didn't even seem to know about Wakanda before Wakanda Forever.
MCU Phase 4 is like taking random side quests after completing the main campaign.
Its not even their B material its like the scripts that got rejected a hundred times but got made because Disney just wanted content released on a monthly basis
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu That can't be said about NWH, Wakanda Forever or Shang-Chi. Most of the others however....
It's more like thinking you were starting the campaign, finding out it was a false start (WV), THEN starting it (Loki), but continually getting side-tracked
@@contentcorsair Loki is 100% skippable. That ending has had no impact on any MCU films. The whole concept and rules of the TVA are established and changed because of Kang in the same show so you can skip Loki and miss nothing.
Not really, could you explain?
I think the movie mentioned that the corruption of the Darkhold was partially to blame for Wanda's irrationality, but I think they should have put more into showing her mental deterioration than the quick post credit scene of wandavision.
This 100%
Yeah plus they mention the darkholds author Cthon, the origin of Wanda’s chaos magic. If they added him like he’s a whisper in Wanda’s head to go further and ignore all reason like in Midnight Suns it would have been interesting
I've always hated the trope of character A is literally low IQ because the plot requires it. It is forgivable if this the first time the character has appeared and part of there character is being a literal idiot, but if the character is established to have a functioning brain and you use a plot device to make them dumb, all so the plot can happen, then you've lost me.
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Before this film, Agents of Shield showed exactly how exactly darkhold corrupts everyone who reads it. I think the audience who has watched that show would get it easily on why Wanda went crazy, compared to those who haven't.
The Loki deleted scene was so well done! Loved it!
Its my legit headcanon for TVA agents.
The number on his helmet isn't C47 tho
WOW
the falcon winter soldier scene was incredibly valid
They called his bluff I love it
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Man with a system but sadly very complicated of who do what
"We're open to suggestions we just need more to go on than vague platitudes"
Fucking savage
No, it isn't. Those in power only care about keeping the Status Quo.
I like that the solution to Wanda’s problem was to pull a Rick & Morty and take the place of another timeline version of herself who died at the right time. You’d think a screenwriter who also worked on the show would at least point out the option, but somehow that didn’t happen
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But Wanda going to another Universe that isn't her own puts both her universe and that universe at risk of an incursion. Travelling to another universe was never an option to begin with. When two realities clash, it will cause an incursion. Only beings that don't exist in different realities can travel the multiverse without causing an incursion.
@@ArvinDelRosario all the more interesting to watch though... Plus, it would make kahn the conqueror debut and the tsa tie in nicely to the cinematic world.
@@ArvinDelRosario A) Strange did not know that at that point.
B) Wanda did not know that at that point.
C) Gamora and the dust of everyone else from 2014 seems to be doing just fine.
@@fullestauto8912 the 2014 Gamora is fine because she’s an alternate timeline version of herself for her to cause an incursion she would have to be from another universe
Can we all appreciate Jon Bailey's J.J. Jameson voice? It's perfect!!
Edit: Thanks for all the likes, guys and gals! Never had a comment with this many likes until now! Thanks for agreeing with me on this! Keep 'em comin'!!
JK Simmons would be proud.
I thought he was lip-syncing until he went off the movie’s script. 😂
He got the voice down perfectly. Congrats to him!
Yes we can.
cringe imagine thanking people for the likes
Just here for Wanda's scene. Also a shout out for whoever the actress portraying her there! 10/10 and you did our great mother proud!
dear god
Same.
Her plan really WAS that DUMB, and the crisis really was THAT easily solvable.
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Her name is Scarlet Sheppard.
That there is Scarlet Sheppard. An amazing actress, and an amazing person.
Yep was saying same for ages (whole "plan"), even had few ideas how to fix some issues - it boggles the mind how professional paid writers of this huge franchise can be so blind ?!?
The problem with infinite universes is that it can potentially take an infinite amount of time to find the universe you want.
I suppose that depends upon whether or not Chavez's powers can link to alternate universes based specified parameters.
@@Seastallion maybe they'll get lucky and find a universe with a multiversal search engine.
@@KingOfMadCows That was the first universe that Wanda found in the movie. They could even say from which Universe Dr Strange came after he escaped with america from Wanda
It's implied America goes to a universe she needs like free food universes
just like with netflix, infinite shows but near infinite time to actually browse and not watching lmao
“That plan is super evil, and super stupid, now if it was revealed that some evil demon guy was manipulating you for his own evil ends that would make way more sense”
Memphisto spotted 😈
Wasn’t she technically being manipulated and corrupted by the Dark Hold?
@@101Draico well the Dark Hold was made by Mephisto in the comics so, kinda works
@@deadplthebadass21no it wasn't made by Mephisto. Mephisto is nothing compared to the author of Darkhold
@@deadplthebadass21 um actually, Chthon is the author of the Darkhold...
Thank you for pointing out these plotholes!
The whole "A universe where Wanda's kids are orphans"-option has bugged me since I've watched the movie, it's just so obvious!
It's just like when Thanos decided to reduce the overall population of the universe instead of just giving people enough ressources.
They didn't do themselves any favors with the snap, especially when they intend to reveal other secret races or societies. It would be helpful to at least hear or see how Namor dealt with the Snap and the Blip.
More resources doesnt stop the lack of resources problem neither does halving the people. Cause of the simple fact tbat humans SUCK so people are gonna end up hoarding and taking too much
At least in Wanda's case, she... was not right in the head. She was corrupted by an evil book and mad with grief. You can allow for human error in times like this.
These aren't potholes; they're flaws in the character's thinking. Flaws that were intentionally written
@ty775 the directors said that the only reason Thanos didn't double the resources was because he didn't want to. He was dead set on proving that his kill half the population plan would have worked
@@darrenkey207
I consider it a plothole that they didn't even bring these obvious solutions up. Sometimes it's about being transparent as a writer, to include and deconstruct obvious solutions and explain why they wouldn't work - just to show the audience that you as a writer are aware of it. Just throw in two lines.
Iron Man: "Why not just... double the resources? You can do anything with these stones, can't you?"
Thanos: "And then what? The greedy will become greedier, the poor will have even less. True balance can only be achieved if all are treated in the same way."
Or regarding Wanda, especially after they established that the Multiverse is basically endless with countless possibilities:
Strange: "Have you considered that there might be a reality were your children are alive, but you're not? Where they could be in dire need of a mother?"
Wanda: "Of course I did, that was my first instinct! But the Multiverse is vast, Strange, even bigger than you or I can imagine. Millions of possibilities, so many realities, where I don't even HAVE children! But then, my dreams led me to my sons! I'm not letting this opportunity fade away."
This was an amazing video, you guys have been killing it. Having nothing to do with that, does it bother anyone else that in Multiverse of Madness Wanda mentions her kids, but ignores vision. I mean at the end of the show she clearly wasn't over his death. Yet come that movie she is searching the multiverse for her kids but chooses one of infinite where her husband doesn't exist and doesn't even entertain the notion of finding him again
Paul Bettany was probably more expensive than the two child actors and their love of ice cream.
Well, they like ice cream like every child should...
I thought about that too but the children would be easier to fool then the husband. If they made the switch he would probably feel something is off. Not to mention she would not know their living situation off the bat. There would quite the adjustment period. But who knows, by the time they even find the “perfect” universe, Wanda would hopefully mellow out by then and maybe just not even worry about it
I mean your right but she only mentions him once when she confronts Doctor Strange at Kamar taj.
@@yaminogame I don't know why anyone has to be "fooled". The guardians didn't seem to mind that they suddenly got a Gamorra from a different timeline... For all we know it's a nearly exact copy.
This exposes the big flaw of the Falcon in the Winter Soldier ending. And the sad thing about the doctor strange 2 thing with Wanda is it's true.
Be better
The entire Phase 4 is one big flaw.
It wasn't a flaw. Sam isn't supposed to do their jobs for them. He's busy fighting Super Soldiers, terrorists and Aliens. All while being denied bank loans and being racially profiled. I'm sure it's enough of them to sit down and strategize. Why were they just sitting on a building full of food and supplies anyway?
@@Сайтамен if you agree with the this I question your judgment
@@darrenkey207 exactly the situation is more complicated than that and saying do better is an empty platitude, just because you have a lot of resources does not mean you have to share it across the world Even with the power of the world nations combined they still can't feed everyone in the world, someone's going to go hungry someone's needs are not going to be me, fast food restaurants public schools and colleges throw away thousands of dollars worth of food away everyday that could be given to the homeless for the simple excuse they might get sick they are eating garbage they have the strongest stomachs on the planet
The problem with MCU phase 4 is mainly the bad writing, plot holes and weak villains (also the declining quality of VFX due to poor planning and overwork of VFX artists), unlike some people who defended them by just saying they are setups for phase 5 or some are experiments, which do NOT offset these flaws at all.
You are kidding right, phase 1-3 were filled with plot holes
And woke agenda
@@chalkywhite2598not as many as phase 4
@@peterparker9954 yeah that’s not true at all. All movies in phase 4 out earned phase 1 films. It’s not even close
@@peterparker9954 there is no such thing as a woke agenda. Only racists use that term
I love these, they're all so valid! The "be better" speech is a personal peeve of mine.
Honestly, you bring up a good point about Namor, you would think he would've made his presence known to the surface world during the Snap since he clearly is devoted to his people and since he wasn't much of a rational person and still holds a hatred to the colonisation of his people, you'd think he would've jumped the shark (pun intended) and blame the surface world and probably gone to war during the 5-year gap considering half of the people of Talochan must've gotten dusted. I mean we all saw what he did to Wakanda after Nakia unintentionally killed a Talochanian, Namor would've gone ballistic on the surface world.
BTW Namor was such a fantastic antagonist and Tenoch Huerta killed it.
Except that Namor would have no way of knowing the reason why his people got snapped. I doubt people at Talokan watch the news and if they did they would easily expose themselves.
Fair point. But then again we saw in the film how impulsive Namor is when it come to safety and security of his people nd I imagine watching half of your entire civilisation fade away must've been traumatic and lead to him seeking some kind of answers to seek closure. In fact I could imagine that Namor could've in fact sent small scouts out to find answers yet keep a discrete profile without thr surface world noticing them as they are proven to be quite a stealthy civilisation, sneaking up on the oil rig in the film, in addition to having technology for occasions when they would have to arise out of the oceans for decades. Surely some scouts could've informed Namor of how this was a worldwide situation and some means of gaining information could've doable thus could've lead to Namor making his presence known to the world. I'm not trying to be negative in any way it just seems like funny plot hole to point that sounds quite intriguing to have seen. But I digress.
I disagree
There is no way that out of the entire universe half of talocan was killed
At fucking best maybe 1 died
You do have a point, and at the bare minimum I could've imagined at least 5% of Talochan's population must've gotten dusted as it is a major civilisation with who knows how much of an empire they have below the sea. But then again considering Namor quite literally flooded Wakanda and murdered hundreds of people, including the Queen herself, all just as a warning for the fact that one Wakandan inadvertently killed a single member of Namor's people, only makes me imagine how even more hostile and relentless Namor could've been hhad he gone to war with the surface world as even if he didn't know it was Thanos's doing, Namor is clearly an irrational person when it comes to the safety of his people and would kill hundreds for the death of one Talochanian, thus he could've killed thousands even millions out of pure grief, anger and bolted up rage against the action of colonisers fron the past and putting said hatred towards the surface world, which would've been likely to happen during rhe 5 year gap.
@@adam-dn3hi Thanos' Snap spares no one when turning half of the universe's populations into dust.
Yeah. Wanda literally could’ve worked with America to find her parents while searching for a reality where Vision and her kids live w/o her.
Or just get kids. Or did they mention she cant get kids?
Wanda said she had to kill Chevez so she would always have her powers, just in case her kids got sick and she needed to go find new ones again.
find an universe where people can't get sick, easy
@@The_Patbey in an infinite amount of them you could theorically search forever and never find the one you seek
That's really dumb logic to justify a stupid plot.
@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu considering how small the chance is that she finds a reality where earth even exists and her kids are just like Tommy and Billy, I guess its possible to specify a little further
That's still a dumb reason. She could simply also adopt Chavez and train her to properly use her powers. That way Chavez gets a home while Wanda gets a daughter as well as have her powers on hand at all times. There's also the option of finding a way to take her powers without killing her or study her powers to create a spell that can replicate her dimensional hopping.
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier made me so happy. That monologue always pissed me off.
These people are ACTUALLY trying. Sure they're not perfect but they're in a no win situation. Someone is always going to get hurt.
I'm sorry Cap but you can't just yell at these people to "do better" when you don't have any ideas yourself.
My friend and I are always making fun of that speech.
I love Sam as a character, but that was a godawful speech indeed. It is just so...empty.
And wakanda isn’t called out for hoarding it’s resources
Merely n assumption
@@josephnewsome2935 hypocrisy is all over phase 4. I'm sure the precious phases had it too, but it's all the more noticeable and in your face in phase 4. Heck, I'm noticing it and I'm not even watching any of it. That's how in your face it is.
OMG!!! Loved this!!! Jeff's Namor was pretty impressive!!! Loved the Scarlet Witch scenes!!!! This was just pretty incredible!!! Well done to all involved!!
The Namor thing is applicable to, like, every secret group or independent entity that gets revealed in the MCU after Thanos. They all should have both cared and been involved.
I will say that a lot of people tend to overlook something in the Wanda-Strange conversation; he suggests working with America in the actual movie. She shuts it down with an (albeit irrational) argument that she needs the power so that she can travel across the multiverse to find the cure to anything that might ever happen to her children. The bottom line is that she's gone mad, not that she's actually come up with a "reasonable" (her word) plan.
She literally controlled a monster that could travel through the multiverse at the beginning of the movie. I spent that entire movie after her plan was revealed going, "but why though?"
The multiverse of madness one makes a hell of a lot of sense
surprised he didn't mention finding a universe that ALSO has Vision alive and well lol
@@skinder124 marvel got some explaining to do
@@adrianrenteria4229 the original plan was to use that movie to build up wanda to become a villain, but the director decided he wanted to "play with the character" instead. They stopped seeing them as characters and more like action figures
@@skinder124 that's messed up. Ik these are comic characters but their still characters that some people enjoy
Except she was corrupted by the Darkhold. Thinking rationally was tossed out the window a long time ago.
Jon Bailey as J Jonah Jameson = Incredible Performance/ Perfect casting.
I like how captain America just ran away even though he has wings
9:35 you fixed the movie!
If these were actual deleted scenes I wouldn't be surprised given the quality of Phase 4.
Exactly these scenes are WAY TOO smart to be from phase four
Most of it at least.
Then stop watching it
Really says a lot when early Marvel movies, even if thye had plot holes they weren't distractingly huge like the ones we have to deal with now.
The No Way Home one and Wakanda Forever ones are innacurate (I know the video addressed the extended cut but still makes it innacurate).
@@nathanieldiaz5254 not really. NO WAY HOME Plot hole is valid. There was no mention of data and Videos being erased. Especially considering he managed to rent an apartment afterwards, which requires as ID and stuff. I love NWH, but the movie is Fanservice 1st, Plot 2nd.
@@raahim11 And there's no way anyone can get a new identity?
@@raahim11 The post credit scene shows that only evidence of Peter existing that was open to the public was erased. All his personal items were safe. And no the movie is character first even though fan service (done right) is a big part of it.
@@mackenziehunter4593 Then mention that facr in the Movie. Or else it is Headcanon. There is literally no mention of him forging his new identity. also, again, No mention of Video, Books, news etc data being deleted by the spell
Multiverse of Madness did try and cover it somewhat with "Wanda believes she needs the power herself so that if some other problem came up like her kids got sick she'd be able to just go to a universe where there's a cure" but that feels like it was something thrown in late like "eh sure that all makes sense now"
And that could easily be answered by just asking America to bring her and her children to a universe with the cure
exactly. Like she just told a guy "What mouth?" and straight up erased it. She is not facing any issues with her kids getting an uncurable disease or the likes.
"cool motive, still murder"
Feel like any inconsistencies can be put under the darkhold is affecting her mind and making her crazy and irrational, kinda lazy but makes sense
They make it seem like the dark hold was corrupting her but it's literally destroyed in the movie.
Not to mention the movie spits in the face of WandaVision which was all about Wanda coming to terms with her grief. She was set up to grow as a person. It was real tonal whiplash what they did with her.
The no way home was not a plot hole. As soon as the movie was released the authors were asked about it, and they said they were debating on whether to show how it erases memories from social media and the book and everything but didn’t because they wanted to focus the end the movie on an emotional tone. That was long before they added the scene in the extended cut.
Author statement after the fact don't mean squat tho 🤨
@@blackhand441 it does tho plus it was a delete sense so yes if that made it does matter
@@DannyLee-zv9gl so JK Rowling wakes up and says all of Harry Potter was dreamt up by a mouse in a subway station and it automatically becomes fact ? If it wasn't in the movie then it doesn't mean squat. Sure supplementary information can come later but that doesn't make it any less of a plot hole.
@@DannyLee-zv9gl here’s the thing. If you delete it then add it back in to a version a fraction of the audience will ever see then it’s not relevant.
It’s like Disney-wars where the imps are running then loosing then winning them loosing despite the only organised forces against them apparently being a squadron of I-can’t -believe-it’s-not-an-xwing one dropship and a few VERY sociopathic leaders who think a 99.99% attrition rate is just fine so don’t question orders and obey your betters.
For me it was obvious that spell worked that way that it changed everything including social media, videos and basically everything that would remind anyone of Peter Parker. There is no plot hole here, just fan weird limitation on spell.
The Wakanda Forever scene, Bob talks about spies, but the Talokan people outside the water is blue, so that's gonna be difficult to hide
For FATWS, the senator should have said "didn't she use violence and threats for political gains? Making people afraid and feel categorised in the process? This is literally the definition of terrorism."
It's also what people who have been called heroes in history have done to free or progress a group of people. So Falcon's points regarding that are still valid. She wasn't doing it for malicious purposes or to just cause terror.
Didn't she blow a bunch of people up to get her point across? Hey, definition of terrorism right there.
@@chocofro3 But wasn't she in the end though?
@@InfernosReaper as a last-ditch effort in desperation because her plan was falling apart.
@@chocofro3 What was that thing about plans that Tony said to Loki in the first Avengers movie...
So glad someone points out all the nonsense in phase 4!
They just scratched the surface.
They just carved off the bare minimum tip of that iceberg that is the nonsensical phase 4 to the titanic that is the mcu
I like how they marked the exact moment FalconWinter soldier went from very watchable with a few dumb scenes to what are they doing to Cap. Also his custom needs to look better for the movies the wings look dumb.
This Namor is in better physical shape than the one in the movie...
I was tempted to Say that. Tenoch has a overall pleasant shape(Just, while other duperherors are ripped as hell, Tenoch was toned and approachable), but this One has a far more sculpted chest.
He was better
They just have different body shapes. Movies etc have been favoring the more "triangle" (mesomotph) shape over the "round" one. He was/is just as fit.
No offense to this Namor actor but Tenoch’s body is the better one tbh, his physique looks strong and not dehydrated.
L take that’s probably from somebody that knows nothing about different body types!
Multiverse of Madness Biggest Plot Problem:- Strange is an introvert & didn't talk this through
The Multiverse Of Madness one was spot on. Like, that movie had so many collosal plotholes it was just astounding. The fact that there are actually people out there who think that plotholes don't matter and that being concerned about the logic of a film is for killjoys just pisses me off.
America wasn't the only being who could travel the multiverse. That monster she sent after America could as well. Between that, the "dreamwalking" or whatever, her ability to reshape reality itself, and having a functioning reproductive system, it seems really strange that she couldn't solve the "I want kids" problem with little to no help
2:29 I had this same thought while watching, but theirs a explanation to why this don’t happen, it’s like the apocalypse thing, if the change wasn’t big enough the ATV sensor doesn’t detack the timeline.
Meaning that this gum probably did something BIG, like choke a avenger or something
MoM scene is truly masterful.
Mom but Wanda goes to grief counseling and over the next several years meets a nice man and starts a new, healthy family.
How perfect was it that I was interrupted with an ad for Marvel Snap at 1:08 😅
Davis as Dr. Strange is really doing it for me not gonna lie
I could totally buy this as offical MCU deleted scenes
Imagine erasing a timeline because a kid picked the wrong pack of gum
What did that pack of gum ever do to you, TVA? Buncha jerks.
this is not 23% smarter,
this is 2300% smarter
🤣🤣🤣
The Loki one is actually a pretty good concept
6:44 I wouldn't consider it a plot hole tbh, they just didn't explain it in detail.
I had already assumed Doctor Strange's spell would affect physical evidence of his existence anyway, I was just prepared to wait for them to show us the extent of it in Spidey's next film.
But wouldn't it have accidentally brought in a bunch of media and stuff of Spider-man that didn't exist in their universe before, not just the villains?
I absolutely love Sam-Cap... but the FATWS writers turned him into A-train with that "Do Better" speech 😂
YEP
What does that have anything to do with A-Train?
Disney is straight up Vought.... like they have no love for women or minorities or ANY marginalized groups BUT they sure will pretend and virtue signal their butts off because thats WAY easier and quicker than actually writing good stories with minorities.... right next to Maeves Wild Ride they should play that dumpster fire of a show She-Hulk
@@nathanieldiaz5254 A-train thinks his status as a top-level hero gives him unique qualifications to weigh in on political tensions. His misguided attempts at using his platform to "preach" solutions come off as tone-deaf at best and disastrous at worst. Energy drink commercial and the Blue Hawk situation as an example.
@@thembanitheone Yeah but that's not Sam. His speech is very flawed but Sam had the best intentions.
I wouldn't call the No Way Home part a plot hole, I always assumed that the physical evidence had just been altered to exclude "Peter Parker".
fan boys hate the ending because spiderman stories are not supposed to have happy endings
@@lilcory2000 really? Most of the Spider-Man stories I've seen have sad endings. He'll typically break up with his love interest or someone close to him will die, sometimes both. Being miserable is kind of key part of Peter's character.
@@Darkbeast42 ho that's why people are mad that makes more sense and makes me more confused about why poeple not like the ending?? Peter hot his ass handed to him left and right for doing the right thing
Yes, they added a new post credit scene in the extended version to clarify this .
It was also mentioned in Doctor Strange 2, when he said they had a recent entaglement with Spider-Man.
In No Way Home, it's not only people will forget Peter Parker but every bit of information that is there about in the world will be erased as well. His photos, social media accounts and posts, his identity is wiped out of reality
9:23
Strange: What’d you think?
Wanda: *becomes wandavision mode again*
the bit with Falcon is basically how I felt after the series ended. It's like they wanted to make a point and just... didn't?
What a hilarious video, top-notch performances from everyone involved, including Jon Bailey as JJ. Speaking of which, now that Jon is the new voice of Grapefruit on Annoying Orange, maybe we’ll be seeing The Warp Scone visit the kitchen in the near future? Davis as Danish, Schroeder as Schronut, Brian as Fishcake, Odom as Oatdom, and Ryan as Rye-Bun. How awesome would that be?
Damn. Now I’m wishing they’d made Wanda more complex in MoM.
I’m imagining a movie where she doesn’t want to kill Chavez but instead kidnaps her and forces her to take her to every universe until she finds one that she’s satisfied with. It also could’ve been interesting to see Strange and Wong travel through every universe to track them down so we could’ve still gotten the new characters and worlds and same hijinks/horrors but more refined and nuanced. It could’ve been interesting to see Wanda find herself unexpectedly bonding with Chavez during all this and through that heal the trauma of losing her children, maybe she even makes peace with the sad truth she never really had kids and decides to mentor Chavez but then it’s revealed they might have found a universe with her boys in it. I’m not sure who the “villain” would be in this version but I just think it would’ve been more complex than…what happened.
they should have went with the captain america and the winter soldier route that insted of making wanda the villain he becomes an ally to doctor strange and theyre both agaist a menace that challenge them in their character grow, plus they can actually do shit with mordo since his plot line went no where at this point
@@motor4X4kombat ooh, that would’ve been cool too
Filmento has fixed the bad writing of MoM
Kingpin in Into the Spiderverse did it really well .... He forced the scientists in his facility to build a collider to find his wife and son in a parallel universe.... That was amazing.... That film was incredibly well written
MoM is just TRASH
This was one of your funniest videos yet but here are my thoughts:
There's no way Namor and his people could've known about Thanos' motivation to wipe out half of all life even if they somehow knew that Thanos was coming to Earth.
You already pointed out that Marvel fixed the plot hole of No Way Home with the extended cut so I'll just say that the part was funny even if it was innacurate.
How did they fix the No way home plot hole ? I only watch the first cut.
@@somik-i3x The explained that the spell didn't just erase everyone's memory but also all evidence of Peter's existance.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 which begs the question: how did he restart his life, let alone do so so quickly? He has no money, no ID, birth certificate, nothing from his home (such as clothes) he quite literally had to start over with what he had on his back at the time: his suit.
Also that contradicts the actual spell. Forgetting about somone and erasing physical evidence of that person are two VERY different things. And that's not even getting into the amount of causality rewrites needed to repair the ripple effects Peter had on the world.
In other words, they committed the dreaded double fuck up. They made a plot hole to try and fix a plot hole.
@@corruptangel6793 I misphrased it the first time. The post credit scene showed that only evidence of Peter's existance that was known and open to the public was erased. So stuff like his personal items wouldn't have gotten erased. And it's very easy to assume that Strange just did a double spell it's not far fetched.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 That just sounds even more far fetched
Damn, Phase 4 is like they gave the pencil to a kid & let them write whatever.
Namor is the only one in Talokan with pointed ears.
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This is why I think they screwed phase 4 up with not having Mephisto or Nightmare released from the actions of Loki. They should have been the ones manipulating Wanda and blinding her. Ironically in the same way she manipulated Stark. Using her to go after America Chavez for themselves. The spell going wrong in No Way Home should have been as well directly linked to Loki killing He Who Remains, been released before Multiverse of Madness and featured America Chavez like it was originally intended. Basically the end of Loki should have been the main catalyst kicking off the events of phase 4, you get No Way Home building into Multiverse of Madness and then linking to Quantumania with Casey secretly exploring the quantum realm and being kidnapped.
The Warp Zone always making comedy Gold,I loved how the Honest Trailer guy had a cameo 😂
Which guy?
5:37, I legit thought that's what they were going to go for, and that like a Flash comic, where the twist is that "everyone" means EVERYONE, so, Spiderman forgets he's Spiderman. That would be a much better movie.
9:07 - 9:22
Miguel O’hara:
Mmm… smart idea 🤔
The annoying thing is that the MCU has these contrivances, but if you think about it for a minute, you can find a better way to execute the plot without contriving it. And it annoys me to no end that these contrivances have either easy fixes or actual improvements to the plot, but rather than fix it, they just left it contrived
6:45 How is this a plot hole? The spell erased everyone memory and removed physical stuff that point to him as a person that existed that's how I remember it working.
Honestly I thought the same the moment that part started
The spell was to erase everyone's memories of Peter Parker, not to destroy all evidence of spidermans identity, all the videos and news footage still existed
It was a memory wipe spell, it was meant to erase the memory of Peter Parker from everybody's mind not erase all evidence of Peter Parker's existence the evidence that he existed, still exists his social security number, ID, news footage, all of that still exists, people just forgot who he was
@@udirhema7902 yea, they really didn't adapt that part of the story well. Just needed to change the wording...
Namor... is CUT. Gahdayumn.💎
namor: *coughs underwater*
namor: can i have some water. Tap is fine
💀💀💀
Does that mean Hulk knew of the people of Telokan and it wasn’t a big secret after the reverse snap? Knowledge of half the universe’s life would have been brain overload so he simply forgot.
He couldn't possibly know everyone he brought back. Just the wish for all life.
Warp Zone Recruiting: "Okay boss, I found two Latino guys, a Black guy, and a white woman."
"Well shit. I guess we'll skip Shang-Chi and The Eternals."
The Spider-Man spell absolutely undid physical evidence that Peter was Spider-Man. Like, that's not even a plot hole. That's just something we can assume because it is incredibly obvious it would have to happen. It's like how we know that the characters eat or use the bathroom even though we rarely see either happen on screen. They don't have to spell it out because we all understand that's how it works. You have characters; they use the bathroom. You rewrite reality with magic; that magic also removes material evidence that reality was rewritten.
This is a really good point and this specific part of it is why certain Marvel stories where this happens but ONE character with some extraordinary way of remembering the original way things were are so interesting.
For No Way Home, i thought that the spell is also means any records indicating Peter Parker cease to exist
So where's Davis' Emmy after that one shot monologue?
1:13 look if we were in comic or have traditional t’Challa. They wouldn’t have even help till thanos came physically. These two were very “every country for themselves”
That post-credit scene happened in the comics. They thought people read the comics.
It happened in the extended cut
Too be fair Peter could get round this by changing his name to Ben Reily and dying his blonde.
You guys never disappoint this was hilarious lol
1:26 …… Namor…
YOU’RE UNDERWATER!
Yes, that's the joke.
Fresh and saltwater can separate based on their densities. There's underwater rivers at the bottom of the sea. Duh
"You have to do better"
Yeah, that was a low point.
Never mind the fact that Wanda could just…have sex…or adopt. And also Nevermind the fact that VISION IS ALIVE SOMEWHERE but she doesn’t seem to care.
*I volunteer as tribute!*
I heard in some other video that neither Sam Raimi nor the screenwriter watched WandaVision and were only given Cliffnotes.
She didn't want kids in general, she wanted HER kids back.
The Capt America/Falcon bit where they’re asking “ok what’s your suggestions” made me LOL so hard. That’s literally what I was thinking when I first watched that episode.
Great job on the video! Although you missed a golden opportunity at the end. Have Dr. Strange convince Wanda of his actually brilliant plan and then have TVA agents come out and erase both of them, shouting "Sacred Timeline!"
Uh bro there is no more Sacred Timeline shit after He Who Remains' death. He clearly said that his death would break open the multiverse and branch out timelines and realities.
Love this video hopefully we get more MCU content from you guys
Imagine how great the MCU could be if only a handful of characters acted like mature adults 😅
Have you talked to other people before?
This is actually more better then most phase 4 content
Lol plot holes in comics are a requirement, but the Wanda scene was outstanding.
The problem is that wanda couldn't stay in another universe without ripping the multiverse apart, at least from what I remember from the movie
Wanda should have created another Hex to bring her kids back, but without trapping any people.
The fact that the Doctor Strange plot hole exists when we’re 6 seasons into Rick and Morty is the saddest part
2:35 Nah what kind of child chooses mint flavor gum. Clearly she would have grown into a super villain.
Ngl, multiverse of mandess shouldve had wanda asking strange for help to find a new universe where no magic stuff happens, and she can live happily, but when she enters it, it causes side effects in the normal world, and strange has to fix all the side effects and destroy monsters that the side effects caused all by himself. That sounds way better imo
"Can I get some water, tap is fine" 🤣🤣🤣
The scene for No Way Home isn’t really valid because naturally the spell would cause anything that reminded anyone of Peter to be erased
6:20 “Magical mind theft” 😂😂😂 That’s exactly what it was!
Strange spitting a good point
Now that was hilarious! 😂😂😂😂
BTW, I hope you can make a Mr. Richards Interviewing the Fantastic Four coming into the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
When was it even implied that Namor knew what Thanos was doing or that the Battle of Wakanda was happening, or even what the Infinity stones, or gauntlet were, or what Thanos wanted to do with them?
2:20 You look so much like Soldier Boy there 😂
Your Namor is more buff than the million dollar one. 🤣🤣🤣
4:10 … you realize in the background he was making suggestions
I alway thought Wanda could've just Rick & Morty her way into Tommy and Billy's lives.
Wow, this Doctor Strange's plan for Wanda actually makes more sense!
When you realize Multiverse of Madness has no logic just so the director can go all out on the horror aspect.
6:00 Love how you don’t realize that this exact memory eraser plot happened in the comics and they literally explained this exact possiblity. Not only is all prof of Peters history erased (besides an ID of course) but in the comics when Doctor Strange erased the memory’s of The Sentery from everyone on earth. All evidence he exists was gone to and any that somehow still exists, even when people find or see it they will immediately forget again, their memory’s will reset or their minds will just tell them to ignore it or that it’s not real. So even seeing the video Mystiryo posted on line, the spell will cause them to simply ignore it in their minds and just avoid all evidence presented to them that Peter Parker is spider man. That’s how this works Lmao
I’m not asking you to have read EVEYR Marvel comic ever… Just to be aware of that specific arc lol
That's a different universe... And it was explained (poorly) in that arc. People remember Peter's role in Civil War and being on team iron man but don't remember his identity despite being part of the registration act involves revealing ones identity? Comic inconsistencies would take too long to go through...
@@TheWarpZone That’s fair, I’m actually surprised you know about they arc in the comics… I respect that
@@TheWarpZone Yeah comic ret cons and plot holes are always inconsistent. Like from what we know in the movie the memory of Peter Parker was erased but not the memory of spider man or everything he’s done in the past. Like how in Doctor strange 2 we know he remembers the events of No Way Home and helping Spider-Man but he doesn’t remember knowing who Spider Man was for that story, so people remembering who he was in Civil War still makes sense considering the memory of spider man was always gonna stay in tact… But yeah, it’s really inconsistent and has a lot of plot holes that don’t feel fully dived into or explained properly
Like the events with the Sentry spell, we know that’s a difficult universe but it’s a similar kind of spell that likely has the same kind of rules. Especially considering we know how most magic across the multi verse that sources like every version of Doctor Strange tap into, is a multi Versal source from a higher god above reality itself. And we know the MCU is a part of the comics Marvel Multi verse (by default) so it is fair to assume that Strange used the same kind of Spell as the one in the comics Earth 616.
So all evidence of Peter being spider man, even if it does still exist. Will likley just have people immediately forget or their minds will reset as we’ve seen it work in other universes
But yeah, it’s a little weird and vague so it’s hard to compare it at full face value for how it’s supposed to work
3:28 "But Captain, we are in this power position to atend the will of big corporations. And they will not try to "do better" as you mean because they simply want to keep their luxuries, control and don't give A DAMM for anyone who is not on their social group. Solve THAT problem with your shield.."
The Spider-Man one has already been addressed completely. The magic tampered the evidence. For the Namor one, they didn't even seem to know about Wakanda before Wakanda Forever.