The next Time ITV screens the Derby I hope they will find an opening to replace "Frankel's done it, the horse of a lifetime!" Had he won the Derby & Arc there would be something to support that statement.
I must not mention the placed runners like Rip Van Winkle (Group 1) and Fame And Glory, also a multiple Group 1 winner. Sea The Stars would sire a Derby winner in 2016, Harzand.
@@andrewgardner3774 wtf are you on about 140 Lengths Mick Kinane even said Frankel would have given him a good race See the Stars would have won Mick said See the Stars did what he had to do nothing flashy not by winning by so many lengths, in racing its first past the post. Now if you want to look at Frankel this way, so Frankel wins by 5,10,20 lengths what, will that tell us is it that all the horses that he beat were not that good, and he never raced outside the UK, See The Stars did the UK, and France Frankel did not, it shows you know nothing about Horse Racing.
@@djbillybopdjbillybop2817 you see, when people talk about Frankel, they could only have mentioned about margin or rating, unlike Sea the Stars who has a bunch of G1 winner-opponents coming to the table. That's the debate about quality against quantity.
@@djbillybopdjbillybop2817 AND cancelled the Arc trip If the connections were not willing to take risks, I completely understand, but, it is never a good idea to pretend you want to challenge. Actions speak louder than words.
A horse I consistently underestimated. I kept betting against him. At some point in every race I thought he looked beaten. He just always found enough to win. A true great.
Thanks so much for posting this race. I'm a huge Sea The Stars fan but living in the US only discovered him as he was on the verge or retirement (I saw him win the Arc). I do wish that our great horses ran as 4yos.
Fantastic horse . Best derby winner of 21st century. Horse of the century. Be hard for anything to match him. But my favourite was dancing brave . Doesn’t matter who would have won between the 2 we will never know. 2 champions of their generation.
would have won over any trip. his mothers genetics are unrivaled. RIP Urban Sea. Two of the greatest we've ever seen: Urban Sea, mother of STS and Grandma to Frankel. She'd be proud.
With Cape Cross, who was primarily a miler, on his top side, I know his pedigree might've suggested that 12f was about as far as Sea The Stars would've wanted. But because he was always such a calm and relaxed horse before and even during his races, I've always believed he would've had a very legit chance of staying the St Leger distance and winning the English Triple Crown if John Oxx had given him the chance to go to Doncaster instead of sending him to Leopardstown to run in the Irish Champion Stakes at 10f. I'm pretty certain he had the class it would've taken to have run down the Godolphin pair of Mastery & Kite Wood at Doncaster in that renewal of the Ladbrokes St Leger, IMO.
nah. how many G1 winners had it beaten? the form line through frankels victims add up to about 50 G1 winners. that can't be denied. two years unbeaten...
@@Gos1234567 Distance means F-all See The Stars just did what he needed to do and Mick Kinane said "It would have taken a Frankel" Kinane thinks only one horse could have troubled Sea The Stars: "It would have taken a Frankel to do it and I would have expected him (STS) to win."
Are you fucking serious Pur Moi?? , STS 2009 season was one of the best ever from a 3 year old colt, his performance in the arc to top off the year was outstanding considering everything didnt go his way in the race and he still won by 2 lenghts!
Mick Kinane said "It would have taken a Frankel" Kinane thinks only one horse could have troubled Sea The Stars: "It would have taken a Frankel to do it and I would have expected him (STS) to win."
Watch the 1986 Arc to witness a truly great racehorse with 8 group 1 winners together at the furlong pole then Dancing Brave flew past them to win going away. Exceptional performance and doubt there was a better field put together in a race of that kind.
For a horse to pull so hard in arace and have no luck in running and still win the way he did was amazing 7 g1 horses behind him 6 which where classic winners unreal both where the greatest of there era
@laggardz Winning the 2000, Derby and Arc surely constitutes some kind of 'arrival'? Breeding is much less of a factor when it comes to the jumpers and NH races aren't age-restricted. The winner of an English classic can't go on and win them again the following year. What's done is done and with few exceptions (the Arc, KGV1 & QE, etc.) can't be repeated. It would of course have been nice to have seen Dancing Brave have a second shot at the Derby (minus Starkey) but that wasn't possible.
@tallyho96 By "our" do you mean great horses in the US or Europe? In either case the risk would be of seeing a great horse go on as a four year old and lose, thereby greatly reducing its value at stud. Some greats have stayed on, though, and have won successive Arcs as a result. Ribot and Alleged immediately come to mind, but I am sure there are others.
The only way that STS could have beaten is if Fame and Glory had taken in up at half way and really blasted it from the front. The result would probably have been the same, but it would have been fun to watch.
@@andrewgardner3774 WTF are you talking about Johnny Murtagh was asked Frankel, STS, or Baaeed Johnny Murtagh said STS First and Frankel 2nd here is the video and he should know here is the video ruclips.net/video/X5uHtfWF0G4/видео.html
listen for anyone to say sae the stars wasn't a great i an absolute muppet!!! he lived up to all the hype and won on class/bravery. you must be blind if you seen nothing in his victories,did you not watch the ARC?? he's run a faster time in the Gunnies and judemonte than frankel did on same ground STS had of stayed in training there wouldnt of been a horse to guve him a race.
it really wasn't.. Aiden O'Brien ruined Fame and Glory's chances by not running a pacemaker to make it a proper test.. Classic Coolmore tactical own goal..
@@seanhooper1412Sea The Stars had already won the 2,000gns before winning this Derby, then won the Eclipse, the Juddmonte International, the Irish Champion Stakes and the Arc. Fame And Glory later on won the Irish Derby, the Tattersall Gold Cup, The Coronation, Ascot Gold Cup and the stayers race on Champions Day. Rip Van Winkle won the Sussex Stakes, the QEII and the Juddmonte. Debussy won the Arlington Million and Black Bear Island had won the Dante. Runners in this Derby field often finished in the places to Sea The Stars in other top class races, just as some finished in the places to winners of future races that had also run in this Derby, so overall it produced numerous Gr1, Gr2 and Gr3 winners in many countries and several places at those race levels too.
Judging from your posts, you seem quite arrogant. I don't think i ever read anywhere that STS was the greatest horse ever. He wasn't a champion because he blew the field away, or made it look graceful or elegant. He was exceptional because he showed bravery, will, and an attitude which only mark the true legends. If you where to ask me based on your criteria, I would put Secretariat or Sea Bird hands down. But thats like asking someone whos never been to the races, to tell you the best horse.
You are kidding right? You call this workmanlike when pour moi got up on the line.... To say pour moi is better than sea the stars or anything along them lines.... Well i really hope you are french or dillusional
"It´s a twelve-strong field and one man is responsible for six of them " ie, 50% of the runners and riders and he and his horrible greedy little patrons STILL couldn´t win the race ! ! British race-goers and the traditional racing fraternity used to moan and turn their noses up at the Dubai.mob owning and racing too many horses but Joe 90 and his combination of spivs-made-good & snobby old-money backers take the fucking biscuit.
Yes but..to add to the mix...The Dubai mob haven't been that successful since " certain" substances were found...to quote ...Sheikh Mohammed, one of the biggest names in horse racing globally, has been embarrassed by a doping scandal involving a horse he has ridden in endurance races in Bahrain and Dubai. The horse, Tahhan, which the Sheikh owns, was found to have two banned substances in its system after testing by the Sheikh's own staff.. Despite buying a potential Derby Winner ( Jack Hobbs) incidentally, owned by Rachel Hood et al (John Gosden's partner) at an inflated figure( they knew it couldn't beat stablemate Golden Horn! ) so..these days, the " Dubai Mob" , by refusing to use Coolmore stallions (or not being able to? ) are still ploughing plenty of money into racing- with very little success! I agree with Media...the Coolmore bunch of barrow boys done good, and Wilson, Kepple and Betty of Dubai, don't deserve anything except expensive horses running crap! It's interesting that Anthony Oppenheimer has decided to link up with Sheikh Ya Money for the stud career of Golden Horn- I bet I know who's making a few shekels out of that deal! Oi Vey, Mohammed, my boy, already !
STS on a fast downhill track, under pressure using the whip ran the last 3f in around 37secs, that's an average speed of 36.4mph For comparison Frankel ran the last 4f in the Judd. on a flattish track asleep cruising on the bridle in 46secs average speed of 39mph Think about it you STS fanatics ;-)
Greatest horse ever STS
The Greatest horse of all time winning the 2000 Guineas,The Derby and The Arc as a 3 year old enough said!.
The next Time ITV screens the Derby I hope they will find an opening to replace "Frankel's done it, the horse of a lifetime!" Had he won the Derby & Arc there would be something to support that statement.
Always a pleasure to watch STS , absolute legend of the turf
I must not mention the placed runners like Rip Van Winkle (Group 1) and Fame And Glory, also a multiple Group 1 winner. Sea The Stars would sire a Derby winner in 2016, Harzand.
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all distances, 3 different countries, the Great Races (Derby + Arc); the GOAT!
Yes but he didn’t win by 140 lengths like Frankel so his prize money and prestigious group 1 haul was nothing to shout about..apparently
@@andrewgardner3774 wtf are you on about 140 Lengths Mick Kinane even said Frankel would have given him a good race See the Stars would have won
Mick said See the Stars did what he had to do nothing flashy not by winning by so many lengths, in racing its first past the post. Now if you want to look at Frankel this
way, so Frankel wins by 5,10,20 lengths what, will that tell us is it that all the horses that he beat were not that good, and he never raced outside the UK, See The Stars did the UK, and France
Frankel did not, it shows you know nothing about Horse Racing.
@@djbillybopdjbillybop2817 you see, when people talk about Frankel, they could only have mentioned about margin or rating, unlike Sea the Stars who has a bunch of G1 winner-opponents coming to the table. That's the debate about quality against quantity.
@@Ynot-ll9zs So why did they not race him in France or Ireland if he was that good.
@@djbillybopdjbillybop2817 AND cancelled the Arc trip
If the connections were not willing to take risks, I completely understand, but, it is never a good idea to pretend you want to challenge. Actions speak louder than words.
The greatest of my life time legend
Sea the stars greatest turf horse of all time!!!!!!##
A horse I consistently underestimated. I kept betting against him. At some point in every race I thought he looked beaten. He just always found enough to win. A true great.
Why would you bet against him WOW
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My main betting strategy is to lay short priced favs. It often works- but the likes of STS and Frankel cause much pain.
Thanks so much for posting this race. I'm a huge Sea The Stars fan but living in the US only discovered him as he was on the verge or retirement (I saw him win the Arc). I do wish that our great horses ran as 4yos.
@Noelle Driscoll watch this afternoon for this year's derby,any 1 of 6 can win it,no real superstar but,quantity over quality,4,30UK
Fantastic horse . Best derby winner of 21st century. Horse of the century. Be hard for anything to match him. But my favourite was dancing brave . Doesn’t matter who would have won between the 2 we will never know. 2 champions of their generation.
Sea The Stars is certainly a great champion in its own right. One of my favourite Derby moments.
would have won over any trip. his mothers genetics are unrivaled. RIP Urban Sea. Two of the greatest we've ever seen: Urban Sea, mother of STS and Grandma to Frankel. She'd be proud.
Sts and frankel. Two best of all time.
With Cape Cross, who was primarily a miler, on his top side, I know his pedigree might've suggested that 12f was about as far as Sea The Stars would've wanted. But because he was always such a calm and relaxed horse before and even during his races, I've always believed he would've had a very legit chance of staying the St Leger distance and winning the English Triple Crown if John Oxx had given him the chance to go to Doncaster instead of sending him to Leopardstown to run in the Irish Champion Stakes at 10f. I'm pretty certain he had the class it would've taken to have run down the Godolphin pair of Mastery & Kite Wood at Doncaster in that renewal of the Ladbrokes St Leger, IMO.
Sea The Stars ( his name is Not sts ). The Greatest, as He won what NO Other horse EVER Did. 2,000, Derby, l'Arc in the One year.
Goodbye bad judges.
Great horse and jockey
nah. how many G1 winners had it beaten? the form line through frankels victims add up to about 50 G1 winners. that can't be denied. two years unbeaten...
@@goonervillegonad3662 plus Frankel was winning by huge distances.
@@Gos1234567 Distance means F-all See The Stars just did what he needed to do and Mick Kinane said
"It would have taken a Frankel"
Kinane thinks only one horse could have troubled Sea The Stars: "It would have taken a Frankel to do it and I would have expected him (STS) to win."
Are you fucking serious Pur Moi?? , STS 2009 season was one of the best ever from a 3 year old colt, his performance in the arc to top off the year was outstanding considering everything didnt go his way in the race and he still won by 2 lenghts!
He was a top class horse.Different to Frankel because he wasn't flashy but he got the job done.His record speaks for itself really.
Mick Kinane said "It would have taken a Frankel"
Kinane thinks only one horse could have troubled Sea The Stars: "It would have taken a Frankel to do it and I would have expected him (STS) to win."
Appreciated & subbed.
I salute Urban Sea. A priceless dam. 👍🏻
Beautiful run beautiful horse & his foal has won this race. Salute you but.
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Watch the 1986 Arc to witness a truly great racehorse with 8 group 1 winners together at the furlong pole then Dancing Brave flew past them to win going away. Exceptional performance and doubt there was a better field put together in a race of that kind.
For a horse to pull so hard in arace and have no luck in running and still win the way he did was amazing 7 g1 horses behind him 6 which where classic winners unreal both where the greatest of there era
@laggardz
Winning the 2000, Derby and Arc surely constitutes some kind of 'arrival'? Breeding is much less of a factor when it comes to the jumpers and NH races aren't age-restricted. The winner of an English classic can't go on and win them again the following year. What's done is done and with few exceptions (the Arc, KGV1 & QE, etc.) can't be repeated. It would of course have been nice to have seen Dancing Brave have a second shot at the Derby (minus Starkey) but that wasn't possible.
Watched him win the Judemont at York - best racehorse ever.
Ran like Galileo and made Urban Sea proud
@tallyho96
By "our" do you mean great horses in the US or Europe? In either case the risk would be of seeing a great horse go on as a four year old and lose, thereby greatly reducing its value at stud. Some greats have stayed on, though, and have won successive Arcs as a result. Ribot and Alleged immediately come to mind, but I am sure there are others.
The only way that STS could have beaten is if Fame and Glory had taken in up at half way and really blasted it from the front. The result would probably have been the same, but it would have been fun to watch.
The only way Sea The Stars could have been beaten is if Seamie Heffernan had pulled out a gun at half way and shot him.
Easing down again always had something left,
Frankel vs Sea The Stars. Now there's a match race!
Sea the stars guinneas was almost 2 seconds faster than Frankels. ..enough said
Yer but he didn’t win by 140 lengths so
@@andrewgardner3774 WTF are you talking about Johnny Murtagh was asked Frankel, STS, or Baaeed Johnny Murtagh said STS First and Frankel 2nd here is the video and he should know here is the video ruclips.net/video/X5uHtfWF0G4/видео.html
got lucky I bet on him at 9-1 for the guineas and then had money on him in every races he ran after that, great horse at the classic distance
be careful that the title hides your aspirations
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listen for anyone to say sae the stars wasn't a great i an absolute muppet!!!
he lived up to all the hype and won on class/bravery.
you must be blind if you seen nothing in his victories,did you not watch the ARC??
he's run a faster time in the Gunnies and judemonte than frankel did on same ground
STS had of stayed in training there wouldnt of been a horse to guve him a race.
This was a high class field,
are you kidding.SHOCKING STATEMENT.
it really wasn't.. Aiden O'Brien ruined Fame and Glory's chances by not running a pacemaker to make it a proper test.. Classic Coolmore tactical own goal..
Joseph Henry Marcus Golden Sword was the pace maker along with AOA! Much the better horse won!
@@seanhooper1412Sea The Stars had already won the 2,000gns before winning this Derby, then won the Eclipse, the Juddmonte International, the Irish Champion Stakes and the Arc.
Fame And Glory later on won the Irish Derby, the Tattersall Gold Cup, The Coronation, Ascot Gold Cup and the stayers race on Champions Day.
Rip Van Winkle won the Sussex Stakes, the QEII and the Juddmonte.
Debussy won the Arlington Million and Black Bear Island had won the Dante.
Runners in this Derby field often finished in the places to Sea The Stars in other top class races, just as some finished in the places to winners of future races that had also run in this Derby, so overall it produced numerous Gr1, Gr2 and Gr3 winners in many countries and several places at those race levels too.
When 1 trainer has half the field and a slow ass pace,helped sea the star because you know the derby a normally a brisk pace..
dont dream its over crowded house, if u can get the ground and the weather with you sure youl win a big race
shaun spadah, It was definitely over for crowded house, maybe he just never got the ground and weather? Hahaha
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11/4 printing money!!!
Huge price in hindsight
Freak of nature i think of it now he was at the start he running u could get him at 8_9/1wow
Judging from your posts, you seem quite arrogant. I don't think i ever read anywhere that STS was the greatest horse ever. He wasn't a champion because he blew the field away, or made it look graceful or elegant. He was exceptional because he showed bravery, will, and an attitude which only mark the true legends. If you where to ask me based on your criteria, I would put Secretariat or Sea Bird hands down. But thats like asking someone whos never been to the races, to tell you the best horse.
Mr. Hoiles. Off = racing. Channel 4 and Highflier coverage best. Big loss.
Did that guy actually say Pour Moi is better than STS?hahahahahaha
He’d have ate frankel
are you sure
You are kidding right? You call this workmanlike when pour moi got up on the line.... To say pour moi is better than sea the stars or anything along them lines.... Well i really hope you are french or dillusional
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"It´s a twelve-strong field and one man is responsible for six of them " ie, 50% of the runners and riders and he and his horrible greedy little patrons STILL couldn´t win the race ! ! British race-goers and the traditional racing fraternity used to moan and turn their noses up at the Dubai.mob owning and racing too many horses but Joe 90 and his combination of spivs-made-good & snobby old-money backers take the fucking biscuit.
Yes but..to add to the mix...The Dubai mob haven't been that successful since " certain" substances were found...to quote ...Sheikh Mohammed, one of the biggest names in horse racing globally, has been embarrassed by a doping scandal involving a horse he has ridden in endurance races in Bahrain and Dubai. The horse, Tahhan, which the Sheikh owns, was found to have two banned substances in its system after testing by the Sheikh's own staff.. Despite buying a potential Derby Winner ( Jack Hobbs) incidentally, owned by Rachel Hood et al (John Gosden's partner) at an inflated figure( they knew it couldn't beat stablemate Golden Horn! ) so..these days, the " Dubai Mob" , by refusing to use Coolmore stallions (or not being able to? ) are still ploughing plenty of money into racing- with very little success! I agree with Media...the Coolmore bunch of barrow boys done good, and Wilson, Kepple and Betty of Dubai, don't deserve anything except expensive horses running crap! It's interesting that Anthony Oppenheimer has decided to link up with Sheikh Ya Money for the stud career of Golden Horn- I bet I know who's making a few shekels out of that deal! Oi Vey, Mohammed, my boy, already !
STS on a fast downhill track, under pressure using the whip ran the last 3f in around 37secs, that's an average speed of 36.4mph For comparison Frankel ran the last 4f in the Judd. on a flattish track asleep cruising on the bridle in 46secs average speed of 39mph Think about it you STS fanatics ;-)
There's no comparison between Frankel and STS .... STS is a ton the better horse much better CV