The woman vs tree debate is simply about trust. Men are becoming more distrustful of women in relationships, A tree doesn't have the capacity to share my secrets.... unless I carve them into it.
@@nutyyyy Even this video admitted it isn't same at all. But you can't stop your momma centrist behavior with "muh both sides are bad!" bs. Women choosing bear is insane, because they meet hundred of men daily and nothing happens to them, but a couple of encounter with a bear can easily be a death sentence. Chances of harm from men are very low (especially in this first world countries were all these tiktok brainrots live). Meanwhile, if a guy tells his feeling to a woman, there's insanely huge chance it will backfire, while saying something to a tree has no negative effects. Which is actually a great point to make as an example of why men are checking out of dating and relationship with people who they can't trust due to constant breaking of social contracts on women side.
But a tree doesn't care about you at all. You'd be just some weirdo talking to a tree. It's the Man or Bear all over again. You picked tree to hurt her feelings. Women and Men both reveal secrets and use weaknesses against each other. Also when you get horny, you will get buyer's remorse about that tree or splinters on your dong.
@@Ssacabambaspis the smoke would kill the leaves, so he started smoking outside his house. Then he started smoking less. And then he just straight up quit.
Bear: multiple partners, doesn't care about his offspring, tall, strong, bad-boy, no source of income. *Women Logic:* I can change him and if things go bad then I can post on social media about being the victim !! *Bear Logic:* She smell nice so I will eat
It's not a comparison of threat, it's a comparison of trust. Women are attempting to argue that men are so untrustworthy that they would rather take there chances with a bear. Of course we know in reality they wouldn't. Men on the other hand are arguing that they would rather trust there feelings to a wall or tree. Genuinely, with the state of women these days, we are much better off sharing our feeling with the tree / wall every time. So the only real difference is that one is an obvious lie and the other isn't
It's not a lie to say you'd trust a random wild animal over some stranger who can physically overpower you...Is "stranger danger" a foreign concept to you? There are trustworthy men, but they would rather their daughters be alone in the woods with a random animal than with a random man.
@jonquilgemstone ill tell you this right now. As a man, I have an inherent aversion to women being hurt. I get angry when I hear about that stuff happening. I am not a minority when it comes to that. Men have an inherent protective instinct tword women. Women ofter misunderstanding that as controlling. They don't understand it. A bear, however, doesn't give a damn about you. Are there bad men? Sure, but they are a minority and many of them are made by bad women. Most men would take a bu//3t for a woman. the more I hear women say how usless and evil we are, the less I care about them all together, and soon that protective instinct will be gone and you'll be on your own.
@@Prodrentjet You have a child's level of comprehension, huh? The fact it can happen to a super high status man like Johnny Depp actually implies you would have it way worse. You know, cuz let's be real, you're not Johnny Depp either.
@@Prodrentjet Correct. Which makes it worse. I don't know if you realized but Depp won the case. If you're a normal dude then expect to get your life ruined.
@@dragorn3212you wouldn't help another human being if they were being attacked by a wild animal on the premise that they wouldn't sleep with you if you saved them....? That's some deeply wild virgin talk right there.
The worst thing that ever happened to me after telling a woman my feelings is that she abused me for over a decade, moved my kids across the country and left me with complex PTSD
feminists be like "but maybe a tree would have hurt you more?! you never know! not all women are the same! its only safe to assume that all men want to rape you, not that all women want to abuse you mentaly. The fact that 3/4 of all suicides are men is not relevant. Its relevant that women are afraid of man that they never ever met before! Even if the fear is unreasonable, since they also never met a bear iRL but this is irrelevant ...!"
it is much less direct and obvious, but much more destructive. It's acceptable because it's easy to dismiss, specially considering our society, getting increasingly more feminist, treats women always as victims.
Opening up to ANY woman past puberty as a man is taken as a sign of weakness, and reacted to with disgust. Disgust they will mask to varying degrees depending on how much they think they'd be expected to care/be empathetic by a 3/4 majority of their GFs. Typically ranging somewhere from: "Oh... that's tough. :I" To just straight up rolling their eyes and leaving the room mid-sentence. (And that's the best case scenario. The worst case? Is them pretending to care *fairly* convincingly, pocketing whatever information you gave her, and then pulling it out like a broken bottle the next time she's feeling spite.)
Oh, and for those of you wondering? The reason why you get a pass as a kid is because you're still cute. It's the same reason why they're seemingly deaf to the constant noise pollution created by their yappy dogs. Said dogs are cute and pay them constant attention, so it's automatically OK. (It's the same instinct that makes them OK with a baby crying.)
It's not more than 'getting feelings hurt'. You're thinking of maybe cancel culture or losing your job for whatever reason. Those happen when you tell girls things that they can use against you. We're just talking about opening up to talk about feelings. If she has done something other than talk back to you and make you feel bad, that's another topic.
They are so void of purpose and identity, yet so propserous and privileged that they have found nothing better to do other than to compete for attention via complaining, creating problems, looking stupid, being degenerate, making up lies, etc. Like coyotes howling to each other.
That's why a certain degree of outright anti-woman rhetoric is actually good to have and healthy for public dialogue. Even if I don't subscribe to it, I think it's important to amplify voices that insult and degrade women. They are not anything special and the traditional "chivalrous" teachings are hurtful to men's dignity as are the feminist movement. They're not knights chivalry doesn't apply to them.
"The worst she can do is hurt your feelings a little bit!" Be right back, starting over building an entirely new social circle because she put all my deepest darkest secrets on blast to my now ex-friends.
Not really. Russians have pet bears and you can find videos of them doing the most hilarious things with them. My personal favourite is bear on a motorcycle with his owner. They're usually raised from cub, partially defanged and declawed and heavily drugged though.
But apparently hoe math thinks only your feelings are capable of getting hurt. Dude is usually pretty spot on, but this time his bubble/echo chamber let him down
"What's the worst thing that's gonna happen?" 1. Prison for life (courtesy of her manipulation). 2. Self-roping (courtesy of her manipulation). 3. Someone bubbles you (courtesy of her manipulation).
1. Take control of your life. 2. take control of your life 2. take control of your life. 1. Control your response to emotions. 2. Control your response to emotions. 3. Bubbles pop.
There’s truly no hope for this generation. A lot of these self-victimised women will call guys creeps if you approach them yet continually ask why men are checking out of dating…
Actually, it seems that it's getting better. The insufferable generation seems to be the millenials and as genZ are becoming adults, we are seeing more spirituality, more longing for connection... Sure, many are effed up by tik tok, but it seems that instead of being brainwashed, many are becoming blazé instead. Look at how dating apps are failing. However, take this with a grain of salt. There's currently a s*x war to divide men and women, so perhaps the reptiles have a few arrows left in the quiver.
That is because women are not talking about the same men, they have those who they find attractive and the rest of men, I think you can figure out who they are talking about when they call men creeps and who is not talking to them.
It's like they thought that this discourse of "never talk to a woman EVER out in public" would only filter out scrubs and leave the tall rich guys free to talk to them - now literally no one talks to these girls and they're BIG MAD over it.
I think the worst that could happen is an SA allegation, jail time, destroyed reputation, being placed on a registry, social ostracism, your deepest secrets being gossiped about, divorce rape, child support and alimony abuse...that's all I got. What did I miss?
Exactly. There is a case that the worst result of telling a woman your feelings is worse than the worst result of meeting a man in a forest. Or at any rate it is at least as bad, and far faaar more likely an outcome.
That is for women you marry. For women you date, they can take your money, destroy your self esteem and cause estrangement with your family and cause them to question your sanity.
No men are reacting because they are tired of the constant misandrist behavior from some women. When we turn around what they say to us they absolutely freak out. Us men just want the women to act and behave as mature adults.
Even many women who like men are sick of it too. I see many female RUclipsrs and such who complain about all the open misandry, and the double standards in modern society. When female liberal ShoeOnHead called it out, and pointing out how it was causing men to go further to the right, instead she got attacked for it. So women who defend men get attacked too. Recently an obnoxious anime VTuber with a fake sounding squeaky anime voice was openly putting down men, and her first response was a woman upset voicing how many important men in her life have trust or life issues because of people like her, and how she hates that hateful rhetoric. So remember some women aren't all like the misandrists you see online who just want attention.
I’m beginning to think that all these “women” that chose bear is actually just (15 year olds) that hop on TikTok trends) (this whole thing started off a TikTok video)
@@mojojoji5493 You've gotta understand that a lot of women still think that they're in their prime until they're in their 40's or 50's which is why you'll see most of them acting like highschoolers or college kids who think they're hot shit or the main character in their own story until then. Honestly, I think both memes are stupid, but the woman vs tree response was still funny in my opinion cuz I think it was meant to prove how stupid the original meme was even if it was a petty response.
"Five hours is a lot" NOT FOR BEARS. There are cases of people who had to bleed out over days because a bear broke their arms and legs and used them as training for their cubs to eat solids before moving on.
The other thing that people don't seem to realize about the bear question is that the woods are not safe by itself. If you are STUCK in the woods, a bear will not help you out, and just about everyone answering the question won't do well by themselves in the woods.
Their are cases where women were left to bleed out on dates over days while some guy had her trapped in his apartment before sticking her arms and legs in the freezer. Men do not understand how violent they actually are because the one’s calling the bear man debate bullshit are the ones not dating men.
@user-kn3or7wp6b There's also been cases of women also doing stuff like that on dates. Women don't understand how dangerous women actually are. See how your logic can be turned around so easily? Most men aren't killers. Most women aren't killers. Bears are guaranteed to kill. They live by killing. Wether it's other animals or people dumb enough to visit them in the woods.
4:06 - “What’s the worst that’s going to happen? You get dumped and feel better over time” No…you eventually stop trusting women with your feelings. You suffer in silence for a lifetime because your feelings are “icky”.
which is why having good friends and a supporting family is an excellent idea, because then you can tell them your feelings and you dont have to rely on a woman that might weaponize them against you.
The one thing I think hoemath and a lot of people are getting wrong is. Regardless of how the conversation was started, men are openly talking about their problems. Telling them that their way of opening up is "not comparable" is just another way to try and silence them. Instead of just listening to them. This is the reason men feel like they can't open up. And leads to higher self deletion rates.
@@nickem6556 Well you cant really mention that without considering the alternatives; get drafted or work for equivalent of 150 dollars a month or less. Its not due to traditional values, its the current circumstances.
Instead of asking "Random bear or random man," all you have to do is ask "Random bear or random *black* man". Then watch them sputter and cough and exit the conversation as fast as possible and never try this bs on you again.
Choosing the bear isn't as dumb as it sounds. Bear attacks are quite rare. The question should be asked how it is framed an aggressive bear vs an aggressive man.
When I was fifteen, I "talked to" a tree while on psychedelics. Thirteen years later, I still find wisdom from that moment when I'm reminded of the happening.
Well . . . a woman can falsely accuse you of SA and totally destroy your job, your relationships, your family, your career, and your life, resulting in you spending the rest of your life in a cage. You forgot about that one.
@aboredperson4202 lmao. have you ever talked to a woman before? just go to a store, any store, confide your feelings to the nearest shopper. not a worker. you could get maced.
I’d buy this logic more readily if the men destroyed by a woman didn’t choose self-deletion over lifelong trauma and pain in such sickeningly high amounts.
@@GoWhereYoureCelebratedlmfao after you said about national parks I thought your next sentence would be much darker. It's a good idea though tbf. Hiking in particular.
just admit youre gay or a pick me boy. you probably get angry when women are scared of men bc of their trauma but youre scared of women bc they might lie?
As I recall the story, the tree gave everything to the man throughout their long lives. Most women want to hang you upside down from the tree to get what falls out of your pockets - but in a pinch, they’ll come up with a bear to attack you. The latter usually takes the form of attorneys and judges -- in any number of contexts.
Depending on how you interpret it, The Giving Tree is: - A declaration of eternal love and support from a parent to a child - A cry of victimhood and martyrdom from an entitled parent who isn't actually paying attention to who the child is.
We spent thousands of years building ever-more sophisticated social infrastructure... basically just so they could hijack all of it and use it against us.
The woman vs tree dilemma is just more down to Earth and honest. It was never really meant to compare to man vs bear simply because of how ridiculous that dilemma was.
It’s a sexist argument at best “all men are super predator murderer rapist” blah blah blah yea all men.. yea we all have done those exact things..yea “ALL”
Woman or tree is not the same magnitude of risk or consequence, but it does attack women where they are likely to be sensitive. Women attacked men’s soft spot where men have a social investment in being safety, being providers, being trusted…women have their social status (especially modernly) in their empathy and status as someone who “really cares about people.” So saying a tree is better company than a woman is specifically designed to attack women’s self perception and value system, similar to how man vs bear attacks men’s self perception and value system.
Yours is the only reasonable comment in a sea of idiocy and niceguy ideology. This whole channel presents itself as deeply intellectual and yet can't even come to the same realisation you did.
First of all, women weaponizing your emotions and feelings and weaknesses against you is VERY traumatizing, can entirely ruin your life, and let's not forget which demographic is more prone to bubble up themselves. Secondly, equitable equivalence was not the point, nor was it that women are capable of hurt, and it saddens me you even made that argument and missed the point. Thirdly, retaliation is 9,001% the correct response. You are not fighting women here, you are fighting feminism/etc. You are fighting a culture war of perception and populism. You cannot win against an indoctrinated collective by being the better person and the one with more integrity and honourable conduct. This isn't Gandhi's tactical maneuver against the government with a well planned march at just the right time with the political implications for a civil war had they martyred you. You win by using force in excess to the enemy and forming an even larger devout collective. "What's the worst thing that's gonna happen?" 1. Prison for life (courtesy of her manipulation). 2. Self-roping (courtesy of her manipulation). 3. Someone bubbles you (courtesy of her manipulation).
Men are the most logical gender so why don’t they figure out a solution to all of this, if it’s not benefiting them? Women are marching on capital for pro choice rights what are men doing?
I think he's underestimating the damage women have done/can do/& are currently doing. The destruction can go wayyyy further than "oww, my feels." The wrong word from the wrong woman could easily mean the end of a man's life, both figuratively and sometimes literally. It happens every day.
There was an episode of Lt. Joe Kenda where a woman and a man never met each other. Because she told a lie in order to hurt a former roommate, that man was ki11ed by gunfire as collateral damage.
It's unfortunate that a lot of men can see the warpath of damage these women create, but still can't see the strings that women are still pulling on them. As long as you give credence to the women that give you grief you give them a platform to still exist. I remember a folklore story where a village was plague by a witch. A witch hunter was able to save the village by telling them to stop giving the witch attention. She ceased to exist. Her power relied on the villagers believing in her evil existence. Stop giving the witches attention of any kind and they will go away.
@@LoveOneAnotherHeSaid ~80% of murder victims are male. Lt Kenda was a real life homicide detective in Colorado. If you want to regard my comment as anecdotal, OK. A quandary that I have with statistics is that they often don't tell the full story of motivation and circumstances.
I'd say a more realistic comparative question is "As a man would you rather talk about your feelings with the women in your life or a complete stranger"
A female author, whose name I forget, says she gave a conference talk about how men don't express their feelings. A man approached her after. "You didn't say why." Okay, tell me why. "Over there? That's my wife and daughter. They would rather I died on that white horse than see me fall off it." Left her speechless, because it's true.
Honestly Complete trucking stranger. 99% of the time there is some form of empathy since they already asked. If its a SO or someone you know its a coin toss on the female end and 75% positive otherwise.... except a kid its 100% and 0% at once Unconditional and a total blabber mouth.
We've had the right argument for years. Woman or console? The answer is of course a console. Its there when you get home, doesn't argue with you, and doesn't get mad if you're to tired to play at the end of your workday. It also won't get jealous if you decide to play with another console or not touch it for a couple monthes. Great video. Trees are wonderful, I have a tree outside my window that I stare at a lot when I'm thinking.
I'll take a PC. Can build it yourself, run your own software, only replace parts when necessary, and get better performance than a Microsoft or Sony trashcan. Plus you can do useful stuff on it like learning programming and building your own applications.
but I mean... I've had plenty of great times with trees... climbing on them, sitting bellow their shadow, eating the fruits, listening to their leaves to relax... with women its more like: 1) Complaining 2) the ick 3) Unrationability and uncontrolled emotions 4) insults and critiques 5) passive aggressive 6) No dialogue 7) Wants my money 8) Pretends I'm dangerous 9) constantly offends and take offense from any retaliation 10) will phisically hurt me, and be the victim if I defend myself 11) Double standards 12) usually uninteresting dialogue 13) will dislike me for any standard hobby men have (sports,videogames, cars) 14) often ruins your friendships 15) Unloyal fucking hell the list isn't even at half
My male equivalent of "man vs bear" was... If you are stranded on a desert island, and your goal was to survive for as long as possible, would you rather have a dog or woman with you.
it really just depends on the woman, im gonna be fucking sobbing when i have to eat the dog on my boat off the island because he ain't do nun and doesn't even give me as much energy as the woman if the woman is nice then she's going to help me with making the boat to get us off the island
The pattern is men showed how awful women were being by using their own words (drizzle) and women predictably responded by doubling down and being when meaner saying men are scarier than bears. This is exactly the kind of argument you expect in a relationship when the woman is wrong, won't admit it, then instead pivots to cruelty dredging up something your said when you let your guard down and were vulnerable to use against you in the most vicious way they can imagine. Even doing the man vs bear thing is in itself an intentionally cruel counter attack to men only defending themselves. Women are not so innocent and the most dangerous bear by far is the female
Woman have CLAWS literally, everyone seen it. You mean to tell its not to rip someone face off? And they have all kinds of paints on them. For other women and everyone.
You're better off without her, my man. Find someone who gives a fuck. These broads have needs and boundaries but as soon as we do we're controlling or needy. I've been doin this thing with my girl when we have these discussions...I give her examples of her behavior that parallel whatever she's pissed about. The reaction is usually an eye roll or a sarcastic "oK"....most likely on my way out
@@definitely_just_floating In a negative way yes. I'm approaching this from the perspective that women are selfish and men are sacrificing. These things are not inherently good or bad. But society requires sacrifice and giving people control over more and more aspects of society, when they're concerned with their own comfort is a recipe for disaster. In that sense, we men shouldn't concern ourselves with what women think moment to moment. This is why there are so many simp's and paypigs. They are deeply concerned with the goings on and thoughts of their favorite female online personality. They stop sacrificing for the whole collective and only sacrifice themselves to a small subset.
@@Atarius I think the problem is it promotes the idea that Women can belittle us and be accepted, so then the behaviour becomes normalized, and everyone becomes unhappy.
@@AcesnEights698 Nothing is real to them. The 19th put them into an oversocialized world of pure female consensus. Anything they don't like? They attempt to banish by repeating the words: "I don't feel like that's true..." Over, and over, and over, and over...
Hypotheticals involve thinking through a scenario within your own mind independently, and then sharing conclusions. They're group thinkers. You tell me why they: pause... stare into the middle distance... and then give a perfunctory and cookie-cutter answer that seems to serve no other purpose than pushing a group agenda.
Hypotheticals are a tool used by intelligent people to learn new concepts and subjects by relating them to something familiar. The most famous example of this is Einstein figuring out that time is not the same everywhere (relativity) by constructing a series of hypotheticals and reasoning them out to their logical conclusions. It's no accident that the stupid gender has trouble with this and say stupid shit like "I'm not a car"
Hypotheticals are a tool used by intelligent people to learn new concepts and subjects by relating them to something familiar. The most famous example of this is Einstein figuring out that time is not the same everywhere (relativity) by constructing a series of hypotheticals and reasoning them out to their logical conclusions. It's no accident that the stupid gender has trouble with this.
Yeah that is the likely outcome but if you are running from a man in the woods then you might run twards the bare at least maybe the bear might also get your attacker if you are lucky
Every argument with a woman is not about the content of the argument. Its a power play about: 1) the woman trying to paint you as 'bad'. 2) appointing herself as superior to you. Because in girl-world the superior one gets to make the rules. 3) getting an apology out of you Yherefore the tactics you use are to make her behave the way you like. Not to make her understand. Not to prove to her you are right.
One power play and Im out. Pack your shit and get out of my house. Surprisingly, using this tactic I have never had a single argument with a girlfriend.
This is not true. Many women are capable of having arguments they do not take personally. If you only ever see insane online women, of course you will develop this impression.
@bolt9110 To be fair, about number 2, LOTS of Men do that. I assume you meant "Morally Superior" ("there are very few women serial killers, therefore evil men are more common than evil women", etc) but you can find lots of men claiming moral superiority, and "Superior" can also mean "older", "richer" (as we can all see now, having money doesn't mean you always make better decisons than poor people).
Ive fought against the "men cant be open or vulnerable" thing since an early age. I fought it by forming close relationships with women and once i trusted them, opening up about various things. I didnt treat them like my personal therapist, and i also didnt cry over every stubbed toe. Every single woman has made me regret it in one way or another, save for the sole exception being my mother. I still hate the idea, but sometimes you just gotta accept reality
At least you learned and didn’t just stupidly continue believing the false doctrine of women actually wanting men to be emotionally vulnerable for wholesome motives. A man’s mother (and by extension possibly grandmothers and aunts as well) is the only woman who will love him unconditionally. Some poor guys didn’t even get that.
I am very sorry that neither of you have ever found a woman that expressed unconditional love and support after you tell them how you feel (other than your mother), that hurts. It definitely is a reality that these women exist, although I am inclined to agree with the idea that they are becoming more scarce (especially since dating has collapsed into apps instead of genuine human connection). I hope one day you both find someone who can accept you for who you really are, truly.
@liamlieblein6375 yeah, my issue isn't believing that women like that exist. I know they do, my mom is one of them (and before anyone says it's just because she's my mom, no, I've watched her interact with people for over 30 years and she treats everyone with dignity and respect). My issue is that it's near impossible to tell the good ones from the bad ones
@@2ndtolastform That's totally fair, and so my comment was perhaps more directed towards the other user that replied to your post (and generally seem to frequent Hoe Math comment sections) which took your testimony to signal a more sweeping distrust of women in general, one which takes one a step closer to the black pill. Regardless, I do empathize with your pain and wish you the best of luck in trying to find one of the good ones out there.
6.5% of men who've experienced partner abuse have considered taking their own lives as a result. Men account for 80% of suicides in the USA. It's nice to know the author of this video has been spared any significant emotional abuse from his partners.
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated How is the "mOsT EmPaThEtIc gEnDeR" totally unable to empathize with or understand the very real issues of abuse and stigma men face?
The old ways were to make men work for women, and women work for children. Women decided they want to be parasites without being a mother. They choose selfishness rather than family, hurting both men and children, and setting themselves up for abandonment and destruction.
@@Doberman_6773 Yeah, probably not our generation, hopefully the next will see it; but realistically there will need to be a REALLY terrible time that will make this look like the good old days. I don't think we've quite been into the deepest depths of the pit yet.
as a man i don't think it exist to protect women, but to protect everyone solving things and acting out with emotion doesn't makes everyone happy, and men are more fit to be leader
@@MrJHDK Well, a lot of women actually seem to fetishize gay men, so perhaps they want the "bears" on Grinder. The question is, if those guys have any interest in women.
Men are usually the perpetrators in cases of sexual and domestic violence, even if the victims are other men/boys. That's a truth too, but it's not harmless, hey?
Defamation and slander against whom? There are no names in the men vs bear debacle. Nobody's getting hurt (other than the brain cells of people analyzing this shit). Just chill out.
@@TrykusMykus 1) the definition of those words does not include physical harm theyre reputational destruction techniques 2) it was basically a trend of women taking time out of their day to insult/offend men 3) you think men would have responded if it didnt affect them in any way.
There's also a meme where they ask women if they'd rather be seen as overweight or get hit by a car & they chose car. Just let them. It doesn't hurt men.
The giving tree is actually about how people are ungrateful towards others (a tree in this case) who are and have been truly loyal towards them. It’s a great tale that can definitely be applied to today’s male-female interactions, but in a different way than this. Great video tho, keep em coming mate
If a bear attacks you, you most likely won't survive. But it's rare, since bears avoid humans if they hear them from afar. That's why you should make enough noise if you're walking through a forest with bears. If you are too quiet and surprise them, they're gonna surprise you, especially if it's a mother bear.
Dude you are WAY underestimating the consequences of telling your feelings to a woman. Imagine you are married and have a family with her. And she now hates your guts. And she publicly humiliates and divorces you taking your house and kids leaving you alone. It's not "oh whoops I'm 20 and that relationship didn't work on to the next one I have hundreds of options" that's the BEST case.
One of the things you should actually learn growing up as a young lad is that women can be extremely petty, like beyond the scope of what you deem what pettiness is without it crossing over as a crime. It's similar to how young girls learn how dangerous men can get as well. The difference is that media at large only reinforces the latter point.
Men being told how they should/shouldn’t respond to something that upset them is just another example of how they are ridiculed for just having feelings. We should read the male response to ‘man or bear’ as a group of people angry about being unfairly compared to a wild animal by women who have probably never encountered such an animal (but who encounter men all the time; men who don’t assault them). Men *overwhelmingly* recognise that women have had bad experiences with them; however, they’re getting fed up with around 3-5% of their number being held up as a supposedly accurate representation of the remaining 95-97%. Most of all, they’re fed up that any disagreement on their part (especially if it indicates ‘feelings’) is ridiculed or dismissed. “Well, women are fed up of being assaulted by men” (1) again, most men never assault *anyone*, male or female (2) Men are nearly five times more likely to be a victim of male violence, but society doesn’t really care about that and is only bothered when it happens to women (3) when men are victims of male violence they are almost always assumed to have provoked or deserved it Men have every right to be angry that they are assumed to be more dangerous than bears.
It’s a fair point. Except most men, don’t admit that they are angry because I don’t want the conversation to be about their emotions. If we could have a conversation about women invalidating men’s emotions in society we could get somewhere. Men’s biggest fear in dating is getting their feelings, hurt and getting emotionally disrespected. I can understand that
Choose the tree and you get a stable food supply, choose the woman and all the tree’s fruit is gone and she complains that your toxic masculinity is giving out oppressive vibes. I’m choosing the oak mistress, Drizzle drizzle 😂
Makes perfect sense to me. No retaliation meme needed. That being said, if I was in a burning building and an elevator door opened to reveal a bear...I would have...just countless questions.
fellas, if you see a female stranger being assaulted by a male and she is screaming for help, the right thing to do is to ignore her and keep walking because you're an equally dangerous male stranger and two wrongs don't make a right.
@@mrbawls8736 Not trying anything difficult for fear of losing, always expecting that you'll fail, makes you a "loser" in life more permanently. A "winner" expects the most of themselves, builds up their strengths and takes bets they might lose. Champion's mindset. Believe me, I have experience with both.
@@someguy4405 if someone wants to decide that I’m a loser for not forcing myself to look for a girl they’re free to think whatever they want to , idgaf everyone’s entitled to their opinion . I made my decision and I don’t care what people think about it.
the "man or bear" is a negotiating tactic, plain and simple, albeit an underhanded one. either you acquiesce to her insane idea (that she knows full well is insane) and she gets that status boost of "look I made this man acquiesce to my insane idea, I'm powerful" or you argue and she gets to be shrill and squawk about patriarchy. the only winning move for a man in this situation is to simply disengage.
I still like the question as women tend to think they're emotionally considerate to everyone, this instance demonstrates otherwise. Best of all, most dudes were answering honestly
They arent even emotionally considerate to other women, or children. They just use empathy as a tool to gain power and status while pretending to be nice.
hoe_math, you argued that getting graped is worse than getting eaten by a bear. And perhaps YOU genuinely would rather get eaten. But there are two huge problems with that idea. One; almost every single person who's been unfortunate enough to find themselves in a position to choose between grape of death has chosen grape. Almost all of them. Two; bears are NOT like most predators. They aren't like wolves or cougars. Wolves or cougars will bite down on your neck and kill you, then eat you. Bears DON'T bother waiting until you're dead to start eating you. They will literally just eat you alive. It's one of the most agonizing deaths in the world. Look up the story of Timothy Treadwell.
@@centralintelligenceagency9003 predictably she decided he wasn't living in a princely enough abode so she fucked back off to her parents once she got bored
Yeah, the real pro gamer move here is to be stoic. Women either love that, or find it frustrating, in my experience. Being stoic is really useful. Just do something productive and ignore other people as best you can. It yields good results.
At that point might as well skip the woman part and go be stoic alone. Its still a lose-lose situation. What point is having a relationship with a woman if I have to be stoic all the time? I can pay for sex.
Trees. We haven't haven't had a century of trees using their voting majority to enslave us all to Corporate Bureaucracy, destroy and atomize personal relations, in a strict system. Trees would never do such a thing.
If the average woman really were a table? It'd be a table made outta balsa wood with 3 conspicuous holes drilled into like a bowling ball. And for most of those women? 1-2 of said holes are plugged, and not for general use. (Exceptions are made for Chad/Tyrone/Daddy Warbucks, obviously.)
At least wood can sustain itself over a longer period even if it’s damaged. It’s an insult to balsa wood when you make the comparison. I’d argue they’re closer to glass tables if anything. Made out of tempered glass, designed to shatter entirely if a significant amount of force impacts the centre. No point glueing together the shards and dust, best to sweep it up then into the bin.
My wife agrees with the “bear V man”. She even argued running into a bear in the wild isn’t a 100% risk. I had ran into a bear in the wild and I have a 100% friendly bear encounter. That was her rational. While very true, the bear just ate, it was day time and a black bear. I’ve also ran into thousands of men and have a near 100% safe(I was robbed by two, and in a few fights) encounter with men but 🤷♂️. I guess we ignore the people with 100% safe encounters with men and 100% fatal encounters with bears lol
I think you rather missed the point. I thought this whole bear thing was stupid and funny from the start... until I mentioned it to my mom and gma in jest. They both said unironically that a random man would attack a random woman in the woods MORE THAN HALF of all opportunities. When I pressed the issue on how myself and their ex-husbands and their coworkers are included within "random men" they wouldn't answer whether or not half of us would do something terrible "because no one is watching". Then finally my own mother said "It isn't about statistics, it's about fear." Jesus fuck that's the most rational woman I've ever met! So glad I walked away a decade ago ffs...
The most rational woman would still be in the bottom 10th percentile of men in terms of rationality. Most of those men have criminal records. So yeah not very surprising.
women don't fear men, i believe that to be a lie they tell to get the the victimhood status. if women were truly scared of men they wouldn't talk so much shit to men's faces. they also wouldn't be inviting random dudes on tinder to their house or go to the strangers house for random hookups. women would also not being going out late at night dressed half naked at clubs full of drunk horny men. they also go out of their way to destroy a men's life. in fact the types of guys most women are attracted to are more dangerous men while they find good men boring. that should tell you the fear of men is just a lie.
My dude, this retaliation tactic may actually work. Coz women function of social approval, so if we shame them for one the terrible things they do, they may actually listen for once. Coz no woman want to FEEL like a BAD PERSON. That's why they shift the blame so much and try to be the victim all the time, and cant say "Im sorry". But your idea of making women understand how they say one thing and do another is admirable and very cute specially since you already know so much about women and you keep the faith in them lol. I think its naive to think that women will listen to reason unless their emotions are involved but hey, lets hope Im wrong lol.
nothing men say makes them feel bad, they only answer to the opinions of other women and maybe gay men. most women think it's funny when they hurt men. if she can hurt your feelings that's a big ick and it puts you in not-a-person category pretty quickly
@@beowulf_of_wall_st If that was true they would not fight so hard to stop men talking bad stuff about women. They still want males attention , admiration and respect. They want acceptance. You telling her she is being a cunt is making her taking responsibility for her own actions. I dont know why you assume that women find attractive men who take whatever she give them without making a sound.
as a woman i can assure you things in my past that men have said have made me feel bad. Women too. And probably nonbinary. And old people and young people and etcetcetc. Everybody can be hurt by anybody and everybody can hurt anybody. Nothing is black and white my friend. I really encourage you to step back and try to challenge your assumptions on the world, or even ask yourself “why is it that you have a presumption? What about your experience or cultural has created you this way and what experience or cultural has impacted another persons option of which you disagree with?”
So, if you wanna flip the script, just use the bear again? "I'd rather meet a bear than a woman, because though the bear may rip me to shreds and eat me, the pain would only be for a second compared to the woman falsely accusing me of sexual harrasment and rape and I'd be sentenced to jail forever and killed there because rapists are not treated well in prison, I'd be forever remembered as a horrible person and no matter how much anyone loved me, they would turn their backs on me and not bring the woman to justice"
0:37 Yeah but men's and women's concerns aren't just exchangeable. Women paranoia is over Men being violent, Men is over women being unresponsive or parasitic. So I think the comparison still works.
The comparison doesnt work because bears are objectively more dangerous than men, whereas confiding your feelings in a tree is objectively safer than talking to a woman.
What if the man chooses Tree and it falls on him he becomes vulnerable to the bear coming to eat him for 5mins to 5hours … our threats are incomparable 😅
The closest counterpart I've seen to the man vs bear thing is a video of a dude standing between two elevators. One of them has a Karen, the other has a dude trying to calm down a dangerous looking dog. He chooses the one with the dog.
"What's the worst that's gonna happen? Hurt feelies" Well, since the women assume worst case scenario, i feel like the men do too So to answer your question... one (or more) of the following: -False SA accusations -Incitement/threat of violence against you -Incarceration -Loss of access to children -Loss of reputation -Loss of family and friends -Loss of job -Criminal record -Vigilante violence from her camp to get "revenge" **-loss of life (thank you @user-kn3or7wp6b) Just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more things we could go for in the "worst case scenario"
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated Thank you. I wanted to add both "external" and "self inflicted" versions to the list, but I couldn't find the right terminology that would prevent getting my comment shadow-banned by RUclips. Or perhaps I should say, the right terminology that doesn't sound ridiculous to circumvent censorship*
Rare hoemath L. He says that no woman would go into an elevator with a bear, even though lots of girls go back to abusive relationships, they get body altering surgery, and fought for the right to go to WORK of all things to fight for. Also if I tell my feelings to a girl she can use them against me a tree can’t how did bro not get that
@@TheSuperappelflap FUN FACT: A polar bear's skin is dark underneath, to better absorb light. The fur is translucent, to filter sunlight straight to the skin's surface, to quickly warm the bear.
I will say i am even more grateful for my wife. She showed me your pay equality video and it has made my already good day better. Appreciate the videos
@@Kydino idk about you, but if the stairs on fire and there's no other way to get to safety, I'm taking the elevator. At least to another floor where I can take the stairs safely.
There is this one file of a girl that gets eaten alive by a bear. She calls her dad. Not even ambulance. It almost looks like she was this little girl who wanted to talk to her dead because she knew she was done. She was screaming and fighting. Her dad heard all that.. But while being eaten alive she became calm and sad and full of love for her dad. Imagine that. Imagine the feelings. You know you cant fight that beast. It just eats your liver. You bleed out while it tears you apart. Everything becomes cold. Ppl who say "I would chose bear"NEED a reality check. They have no idea how the world works.
Let me see if I understand what you are trying to say: Thousands of women I do not interact with on the daily hiding behind the anonymity of the internet so they can be as bold as they want without repercussion have made a ludicrous argument in a social bid to knock all men down a peg on the social opinion scale, and the only answer we should be giving is, "Aight, bet!" I was one of the upset idiots. Spending time online too much does that to a person. Dadvocate tried to make this same case, but I think it was too soon after. I also saw the woman/tree argument, and shrugged because I know that's just a common effect; once you burn your hand on a stove burner, you take more precaution around all stove burners. Common sense, right? I spent a few weeks off social media, writing stories. Now I don't care about it either. They can lie all they like, but I know she's getting in the elevator with me if the building is on fire.
@@NemisCassanderI think we shouldn't, all of this delusion, mass shaming, systematic laws, public speech against us, should have a least a minimum of consequences.
Men need to wake up to this fact: all women have is shaming language and appeals to authority. You just need to do what you want and never take her words seriously. When you start giving into her nagging she'll drag you down, never "go along to get along" when she starts nagging ditch her.
More likely than her getting into any elevators, though, is a situation where you suffer from the general perception of being dangerous and oppressive by virtue of your gender.
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Which is why with women, I always put in the bear minimum.
aka bare necessities -Baloo, the Disney Bear
These puns are unbearable
After these barbaric puns I had to paws to get my bearings
Ahhh... I see what ya did there.
Get out!!
The woman vs tree debate is simply about trust. Men are becoming more distrustful of women in relationships, A tree doesn't have the capacity to share my secrets.... unless I carve them into it.
Good point
It's the same delulu thinking that women have though
@@nutyyyy Even this video admitted it isn't same at all. But you can't stop your momma centrist behavior with "muh both sides are bad!" bs.
Women choosing bear is insane, because they meet hundred of men daily and nothing happens to them, but a couple of encounter with a bear can easily be a death sentence. Chances of harm from men are very low (especially in this first world countries were all these tiktok brainrots live).
Meanwhile, if a guy tells his feeling to a woman, there's insanely huge chance it will backfire, while saying something to a tree has no negative effects. Which is actually a great point to make as an example of why men are checking out of dating and relationship with people who they can't trust due to constant breaking of social contracts on women side.
The man/bear scenario exposes the level of delusion, while the
woman/tree - shows the state of reality, and that's the difference.
But a tree doesn't care about you at all. You'd be just some weirdo talking to a tree. It's the Man or Bear all over again. You picked tree to hurt her feelings. Women and Men both reveal secrets and use weaknesses against each other. Also when you get horny, you will get buyer's remorse about that tree or splinters on your dong.
This reminds me of the story of a guy who quit smoking because it was bad for his bonsai tree.
Since he had no regard for his own health, it's good he a solid relationship with the tree.
Win win.
Oh I didn't know that happened. How'd the smoking affect the bonsai? That's rly interesting
@@Ssacabambaspis the smoke would kill the leaves, so he started smoking outside his house. Then he started smoking less. And then he just straight up quit.
Based
Bear: Have multiple partners, doesn't care about his offspring, tall, strong, bad-boy, no source of income.
Do you see the pattern?
What about polar bears? Are they white supremacists?
They’re also brown
@@Bongalized some times black or white too. Some are even both black and white at the same time.
Bear: multiple partners, doesn't care about his offspring, tall, strong, bad-boy, no source of income.
*Women Logic:* I can change him and if things go bad then I can post on social media about being the victim !!
*Bear Logic:* She smell nice so I will eat
IIRC, bears are likely to be monogamous though.
It's not a comparison of threat, it's a comparison of trust. Women are attempting to argue that men are so untrustworthy that they would rather take there chances with a bear. Of course we know in reality they wouldn't. Men on the other hand are arguing that they would rather trust there feelings to a wall or tree. Genuinely, with the state of women these days, we are much better off sharing our feeling with the tree / wall every time. So the only real difference is that one is an obvious lie and the other isn't
Highly underrated comment. You legend.
It's not a lie to say you'd trust a random wild animal over some stranger who can physically overpower you...Is "stranger danger" a foreign concept to you? There are trustworthy men, but they would rather their daughters be alone in the woods with a random animal than with a random man.
@jonquilgemstone ill tell you this right now. As a man, I have an inherent aversion to women being hurt. I get angry when I hear about that stuff happening. I am not a minority when it comes to that. Men have an inherent protective instinct tword women. Women ofter misunderstanding that as controlling. They don't understand it.
A bear, however, doesn't give a damn about you. Are there bad men? Sure, but they are a minority and many of them are made by bad women. Most men would take a bu//3t for a woman.
the more I hear women say how usless and evil we are, the less I care about them all together, and soon that protective instinct will be gone and you'll be on your own.
@@jonquilgemstone Also, you bitches should stop dating drug dealers. I don't believe you when you say you're afraid of men when you date drug dealers.
@@jonquilgemstone you're saying "random animal" like this random animal is a pre determined fucking bear
False rape accusations are more than just hurt feelings... look what Amber heard did to Johnny Depp...
lets be real, you're not Johnny Depp
@@Prodrentjet way to entirely miss the point bud
@@Prodrentjet You have a child's level of comprehension, huh? The fact it can happen to a super high status man like Johnny Depp actually implies you would have it way worse. You know, cuz let's be real, you're not Johnny Depp either.
@@Prodrentjet yeah a regular guy wouldn't have been able to get that nice cushy lawyer to send her false allegations packing
@@Prodrentjet Correct. Which makes it worse. I don't know if you realized but Depp won the case. If you're a normal dude then expect to get your life ruined.
Just remember that if you ever see a woman being attacked by a wild animal, keep your distance. You don't want to frighten her.
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That is delightful.
brootal
I'd probably stand there and do nothing regardless, its not like she is going to sleep with me if i save her
@@dragorn3212you wouldn't help another human being if they were being attacked by a wild animal on the premise that they wouldn't sleep with you if you saved them....?
That's some deeply wild virgin talk right there.
The worst thing that ever happened to me after telling a woman my feelings is that she abused me for over a decade, moved my kids across the country and left me with complex PTSD
feminists be like "but maybe a tree would have hurt you more?! you never know! not all women are the same! its only safe to assume that all men want to rape you, not that all women want to abuse you mentaly. The fact that 3/4 of all suicides are men is not relevant. Its relevant that women are afraid of man that they never ever met before! Even if the fear is unreasonable, since they also never met a bear iRL but this is irrelevant ...!"
Same - well, without the moving states. I wish she would have. TN would have jailed her ass for it.
Women's emotional abuse is on par with the worst physical bullies and abusers. But for some reason it's acceptable
@@dragorn3212 physical, emotional and sexual all happened.
it is much less direct and obvious, but much more destructive. It's acceptable because it's easy to dismiss, specially considering our society, getting increasingly more feminist, treats women always as victims.
It's funny. Women telling me they'd pick the bear doesn't take me down a notch. It takes them down a notch.
It takes their brain cells down a couple hundred notches
lmao i don’t think anyone’s choosing you bud
And we get funny self-own videos to laugh at. This whole thing has been great if you ask me. 😂
So sigma 😈💨 smoking on that bop pack 💨💨💨😈😈 the sigma juices are flowing through anus 😈🥶🥶 heh……
@@captaincoconut3031 "pick me" ass comment. How ironic.
the risks in telling a woman your feelings is that she'll use that against you to ruin your life.
Yeah, it's more than "your feelings get hurt and then you get better over time"
Opening up to ANY woman past puberty as a man is taken as a sign of weakness, and reacted to with disgust.
Disgust they will mask to varying degrees depending on how much they think they'd be expected to care/be empathetic by a 3/4 majority of their GFs. Typically ranging somewhere from:
"Oh... that's tough. :I"
To just straight up rolling their eyes and leaving the room mid-sentence.
(And that's the best case scenario. The worst case? Is them pretending to care *fairly* convincingly, pocketing whatever information you gave her, and then pulling it out like a broken bottle the next time she's feeling spite.)
Oh, and for those of you wondering? The reason why you get a pass as a kid is because you're still cute.
It's the same reason why they're seemingly deaf to the constant noise pollution created by their yappy dogs.
Said dogs are cute and pay them constant attention, so it's automatically OK.
(It's the same instinct that makes them OK with a baby crying.)
It's not more than 'getting feelings hurt'. You're thinking of maybe cancel culture or losing your job for whatever reason. Those happen when you tell girls things that they can use against you. We're just talking about opening up to talk about feelings. If she has done something other than talk back to you and make you feel bad, that's another topic.
-Shaq 2024
Womens collective bargaining attempts are getting seriously audacious
Reminder the first thing women voted for after getting rights was Prohibition
This is my takeaway too, the union leaders have them incredibly organized for this kind of dystopian consensus.
They are so void of purpose and identity, yet so propserous and privileged that they have found nothing better to do other than to compete for attention via complaining, creating problems, looking stupid, being degenerate, making up lies, etc.
Like coyotes howling to each other.
That's why a certain degree of outright anti-woman rhetoric is actually good to have and healthy for public dialogue. Even if I don't subscribe to it, I think it's important to amplify voices that insult and degrade women. They are not anything special and the traditional "chivalrous" teachings are hurtful to men's dignity as are the feminist movement. They're not knights chivalry doesn't apply to them.
@@CJVS995 And the reaction to Prohibition created organized crime. Thanks, ladies. Just what we all needed.
"The worst she can do is hurt your feelings a little bit!"
Be right back, starting over building an entirely new social circle because she put all my deepest darkest secrets on blast to my now ex-friends.
Were they ever really your friends then?
Man thats super red pill ngl. Relax a bit. Get drinks for a brother at the bar and talk about a thing you like. Insta friend.
You know what I would say to my friend whose ex told everyone about how he was a pussy, "Hey pussy, let's go get a drink...pussy".
But did you die?
@@thedappermagician6905 did she?
A bear in an elevator would be amazing to see tho
so true man, this is what's important
Not really. Russians have pet bears and you can find videos of them doing the most hilarious things with them. My personal favourite is bear on a motorcycle with his owner.
They're usually raised from cub, partially defanged and declawed and heavily drugged though.
a bear in an elevator might make me think one of two things. I'm losing my mind or its a tame bear
@@luckyo11defanged, declawed and on drugs how do they jeep the bears tame?
SPACE BALLS!
How I got falsely arrested for domestic violence the second time... I told her about the first time, and she thought it was a great idea.
Uh oh
Oof...
me when i lie and is a 16 year old boy
Good point. You got gunpoint and imprisonment, perhaps a permanent abridgement of your rights.
But apparently hoe math thinks only your feelings are capable of getting hurt. Dude is usually pretty spot on, but this time his bubble/echo chamber let him down
"What's the worst thing that's gonna happen?"
1. Prison for life (courtesy of her manipulation).
2. Self-roping (courtesy of her manipulation).
3. Someone bubbles you (courtesy of her manipulation).
1. Take control of your life.
2. take control of your life
2. take control of your life.
1. Control your response to emotions.
2. Control your response to emotions.
3. Bubbles pop.
@@santosdr2 You are either being intellectually dishonest or are speaking out of ignorance.
@@Foxstab dude you sound like a women.
@@Foxstab Women create either or situations because they can't fathom there being anything more.
@@santosdr2 Malicious dishonesty it is, then.
There’s truly no hope for this generation. A lot of these self-victimised women will call guys creeps if you approach them yet continually ask why men are checking out of dating…
Generally speaking this must come from the same woman to be outrageous.
Actually, it seems that it's getting better. The insufferable generation seems to be the millenials and as genZ are becoming adults, we are seeing more spirituality, more longing for connection... Sure, many are effed up by tik tok, but it seems that instead of being brainwashed, many are becoming blazé instead. Look at how dating apps are failing.
However, take this with a grain of salt. There's currently a s*x war to divide men and women, so perhaps the reptiles have a few arrows left in the quiver.
That is because women are not talking about the same men, they have those who they find attractive and the rest of men, I think you can figure out who they are talking about when they call men creeps and who is not talking to them.
It's like they thought that this discourse of "never talk to a woman EVER out in public" would only filter out scrubs and leave the tall rich guys free to talk to them - now literally no one talks to these girls and they're BIG MAD over it.
Rule 1. Be attractive
I think the worst that could happen is an SA allegation, jail time, destroyed reputation, being placed on a registry, social ostracism, your deepest secrets being gossiped about, divorce rape, child support and alimony abuse...that's all I got. What did I miss?
Exactly. There is a case that the worst result of telling a woman your feelings is worse than the worst result of meeting a man in a forest. Or at any rate it is at least as bad, and far faaar more likely an outcome.
Paternity fraud?
That is for women you marry. For women you date, they can take your money, destroy your self esteem and cause estrangement with your family and cause them to question your sanity.
I agree
"Divorce rape" This is why men shouldn't be taken seriously.
No men are reacting because they are tired of the constant misandrist behavior from some women.
When we turn around what they say to us they absolutely freak out. Us men just want the women to act and behave as mature adults.
Even many women who like men are sick of it too. I see many female RUclipsrs and such who complain about all the open misandry, and the double standards in modern society. When female liberal ShoeOnHead called it out, and pointing out how it was causing men to go further to the right, instead she got attacked for it. So women who defend men get attacked too.
Recently an obnoxious anime VTuber with a fake sounding squeaky anime voice was openly putting down men, and her first response was a woman upset voicing how many important men in her life have trust or life issues because of people like her, and how she hates that hateful rhetoric.
So remember some women aren't all like the misandrists you see online who just want attention.
I’m beginning to think that all these “women” that chose bear is actually just (15 year olds) that hop on TikTok trends) (this whole thing started off a TikTok video)
@@mojojoji5493 A large majority of the women who have been doing this are visibly 20+.
@@StupidAnon-gn8ih that’s sad
@@mojojoji5493 You've gotta understand that a lot of women still think that they're in their prime until they're in their 40's or 50's which is why you'll see most of them acting like highschoolers or college kids who think they're hot shit or the main character in their own story until then. Honestly, I think both memes are stupid, but the woman vs tree response was still funny in my opinion cuz I think it was meant to prove how stupid the original meme was even if it was a petty response.
"Five hours is a lot" NOT FOR BEARS. There are cases of people who had to bleed out over days because a bear broke their arms and legs and used them as training for their cubs to eat solids before moving on.
People seem to forget that the reality of time isn't the same for everything on Earth.
The other thing that people don't seem to realize about the bear question is that the woods are not safe by itself. If you are STUCK in the woods, a bear will not help you out, and just about everyone answering the question won't do well by themselves in the woods.
Their are cases where women were left to bleed out on dates over days while some guy had her trapped in his apartment before sticking her arms and legs in the freezer. Men do not understand how violent they actually are because the one’s calling the bear man debate bullshit are the ones not dating men.
@user-kn3or7wp6b There's also been cases of women also doing stuff like that on dates. Women don't understand how dangerous women actually are. See how your logic can be turned around so easily?
Most men aren't killers. Most women aren't killers. Bears are guaranteed to kill. They live by killing. Wether it's other animals or people dumb enough to visit them in the woods.
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated how many men would hurt you vs how many bears would let you survive the first night in a forrest?
4:06 - “What’s the worst that’s going to happen? You get dumped and feel better over time”
No…you eventually stop trusting women with your feelings. You suffer in silence for a lifetime because your feelings are “icky”.
Some players are former nice guys that got hurt.
@@maxhouse1125 That should be "most". A Chad doesn't really play on purpose, it just happens. Hurt nice guys are way more deliberate.
what
Can confirm, sadly 😪
which is why having good friends and a supporting family is an excellent idea, because then you can tell them your feelings and you dont have to rely on a woman that might weaponize them against you.
The one thing I think hoemath and a lot of people are getting wrong is. Regardless of how the conversation was started, men are openly talking about their problems.
Telling them that their way of opening up is "not comparable" is just another way to try and silence them. Instead of just listening to them.
This is the reason men feel like they can't open up. And leads to higher self deletion rates.
In “masculine” Russia where I am, it is 7 men to 1 women, it says way more than a thousand words about “Traditional values”
@@nickem6556 Well you cant really mention that without considering the alternatives; get drafted or work for equivalent of 150 dollars a month or less.
Its not due to traditional values, its the current circumstances.
He seemed to strawman the point of the tree meme for sure.
Instead of asking "Random bear or random man," all you have to do is ask "Random bear or random *black* man". Then watch them sputter and cough and exit the conversation as fast as possible and never try this bs on you again.
Oh they would NEVER admit to ⚫ men being more dangerous. They're already being disingenuous. That's not gonna change once you bring race into it
Or random transwoman pre-bottom-surgery 😂
Truth.
Well that makes the bear argument slightly stronger
Choosing the bear isn't as dumb as it sounds. Bear attacks are quite rare. The question should be asked how it is framed an aggressive bear vs an aggressive man.
'Oh I'm sorry, I wouldn't want you to feel unsafe with me, go with the bear' *frantically pushing the 'close doors' button*
Meanwhile, bear:
"Don't you try to foist that Karen on me!!"
@@ephraimwinslow Bear: Fellas, let's be reasonable, huh?
🐻while i'm having dinner, hope that the elevator reaches the exit.
@@ephraimwinslow bear is gonna catch an SA charge and live out the rest of his life in bear prison.
*the man then proceeds to confide his feelings to the elevator, with no cares in the world*
When I was fifteen, I "talked to" a tree while on psychedelics. Thirteen years later, I still find wisdom from that moment when I'm reminded of the happening.
Well . . . a woman can falsely accuse you of SA and totally destroy your job, your relationships, your family, your career, and your life, resulting in you spending the rest of your life in a cage.
You forgot about that one.
This is about talking about feelings.
How does confiding in someone end up in them accusing you of SA?
@@aboredperson4202 Women routinely use feelings as leverage, especially in divorces, to get your cas, home and children.
@aboredperson4202 lmao. have you ever talked to a woman before? just go to a store, any store, confide your feelings to the nearest shopper. not a worker. you could get maced.
@@lolwtnick4362 The point is, it's not worse than getting mauled by a bear, or a predator... which isn't worse than getting d1v0r(Er4p3d.
@@aboredperson4202 Because that someone you confided in was a woman. Obviously.
I’d buy this logic more readily if the men destroyed by a woman didn’t choose self-deletion over lifelong trauma and pain in such sickeningly high amounts.
this
I was 1 trigger pull away from becoming part of the men who that because of a woman
@@Razersnek_Officialdon’t do it man it isn’t worth it. national parks all across the country. Take up hiking, climbing, or fishing.
@@GoWhereYoureCelebratedlmfao after you said about national parks I thought your next sentence would be much darker.
It's a good idea though tbf. Hiking in particular.
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated you know what else is in national parks? Bears
Man feelings = woman ammunition
Except if that woman is your mom, sister or lesbian.
@@synestia4005 Yeah, then it's even worse, especially if you live at home.
just admit youre gay or a pick me boy. you probably get angry when women are scared of men bc of their trauma but youre scared of women bc they might lie?
@Skelterbane69especially if you live at home? what? you’re saying your mom would falsely accuse you of r*ping her? what?
trees are an endless source of wood, and they don't talk back, a woman's best friend
Men are also and endless source of wood :D
@@peterlankton935until they become too demanding and offer too little (typically called "hitting the wall")
@@peterlankton935 Priceless.
Also man breath in O2 and out CO2, trees breath in CO2 and out O2, so trees better than woman for long-term life.
@@Klaevinwhat are you yapping about
@@theendgame2978 the wall takes no prisoners, simp
As I recall the story, the tree gave everything to the man throughout their long lives. Most women want to hang you upside down from the tree to get what falls out of your pockets - but in a pinch, they’ll come up with a bear to attack you. The latter usually takes the form of attorneys and judges -- in any number of contexts.
Depending on how you interpret it, The Giving Tree is:
- A declaration of eternal love and support from a parent to a child
- A cry of victimhood and martyrdom from an entitled parent who isn't actually paying attention to who the child is.
We spent thousands of years building ever-more sophisticated social infrastructure... basically just so they could hijack all of it and use it against us.
We built the infrastructure... just for them to co-opt and turn it on us.
That's gratitude for ya.
@@Davethe3rdYeah I have owned this book since I was a child and it definitely comes across as the tree being a parent
@@Totsy30
as a kid it didn't mean much. when i became a parent it brought me to tears.
Worst case of telling a woman your feelings would be divorce, allimony, child support and living in a box.
The woman vs tree dilemma is just more down to Earth and honest. It was never really meant to compare to man vs bear simply because of how ridiculous that dilemma was.
It’s a sexist argument at best “all men are super predator murderer rapist” blah blah blah yea all men.. yea we all have done those exact things..yea “ALL”
Woman or tree is not the same magnitude of risk or consequence, but it does attack women where they are likely to be sensitive. Women attacked men’s soft spot where men have a social investment in being safety, being providers, being trusted…women have their social status (especially modernly) in their empathy and status as someone who “really cares about people.” So saying a tree is better company than a woman is specifically designed to attack women’s self perception and value system, similar to how man vs bear attacks men’s self perception and value system.
Kinda surprised how Mr hoe math isn't considering something like this. Honestly kinda surprised with his whole take on it in general.
Yours is the only reasonable comment in a sea of idiocy and niceguy ideology. This whole channel presents itself as deeply intellectual and yet can't even come to the same realisation you did.
He draw the whole ass diagrams just to miss the point 🤦
@@hydraslair4723 theyre trying to bit off much they can chew it seems to answer all, i hope it doesnt become too bad though.
First of all, women weaponizing your emotions and feelings and weaknesses against you is VERY traumatizing, can entirely ruin your life, and let's not forget which demographic is more prone to bubble up themselves.
Secondly, equitable equivalence was not the point, nor was it that women are capable of hurt, and it saddens me you even made that argument and missed the point.
Thirdly, retaliation is 9,001% the correct response.
You are not fighting women here, you are fighting feminism/etc. You are fighting a culture war of perception and populism.
You cannot win against an indoctrinated collective by being the better person and the one with more integrity and honourable conduct. This isn't Gandhi's tactical maneuver against the government with a well planned march at just the right time with the political implications for a civil war had they martyred you.
You win by using force in excess to the enemy and forming an even larger devout collective.
"What's the worst thing that's gonna happen?"
1. Prison for life (courtesy of her manipulation).
2. Self-roping (courtesy of her manipulation).
3. Someone bubbles you (courtesy of her manipulation).
Men are the most logical gender so why don’t they figure out a solution to all of this, if it’s not benefiting them? Women are marching on capital for pro choice rights what are men doing?
I think he's underestimating the damage women have done/can do/& are currently doing. The destruction can go wayyyy further than "oww, my feels." The wrong word from the wrong woman could easily mean the end of a man's life, both figuratively and sometimes literally. It happens every day.
There was an episode of Lt. Joe Kenda where a woman and a man never met each other. Because she told a lie in order to hurt a former roommate, that man was ki11ed by gunfire as collateral damage.
agreed. She could share - embellish with friends or online, then ... loss of job, or as above worse.
YOU need numbers. Not TV shows or Movies. But real world numbers.
It's unfortunate that a lot of men can see the warpath of damage these women create, but still can't see the strings that women are still pulling on them. As long as you give credence to the women that give you grief you give them a platform to still exist. I remember a folklore story where a village was plague by a witch. A witch hunter was able to save the village by telling them to stop giving the witch attention. She ceased to exist. Her power relied on the villagers believing in her evil existence. Stop giving the witches attention of any kind and they will go away.
@@LoveOneAnotherHeSaid ~80% of murder victims are male. Lt Kenda was a real life homicide detective in Colorado. If you want to regard my comment as anecdotal, OK.
A quandary that I have with statistics is that they often don't tell the full story of motivation and circumstances.
I'd say a more realistic comparative question is "As a man would you rather talk about your feelings with the women in your life or a complete stranger"
A female author, whose name I forget, says she gave a conference talk about how men don't express their feelings.
A man approached her after. "You didn't say why." Okay, tell me why.
"Over there? That's my wife and daughter. They would rather I died on that white horse than see me fall off it."
Left her speechless, because it's true.
@@blipblap614 Brene Brown is her name and yes that talk is very poignant
No
Honestly Complete trucking stranger. 99% of the time there is some form of empathy since they already asked. If its a SO or someone you know its a coin toss on the female end and 75% positive otherwise.... except a kid its 100% and 0% at once Unconditional and a total blabber mouth.
I'll take vague acquaintance at the local drinking hole.
But the real issue we’re all neglecting is ManBearPig
You're SUPER serious. I can tell!
I heard it's half man, half bear and half pig!
He's super super cereal, you guys
i hope patrick duffy is still okay
@schinken2356 so it's a manbearpig thing huh
Instructions unclear, deleted dating apps, planted tree
Tree groomer! Go find a mature tree! Next you'll tell us you're into that weird bonsai shit!
Got Wood I seee.
A better choice by far than what most men make.
You unlocked the secret ending
*Me Meanwhile*, he’s simping for his waifu and ends up saving the people who didn’t care enough to help them, all for the sake of his waifu.
We've had the right argument for years.
Woman or console?
The answer is of course a console. Its there when you get home, doesn't argue with you, and doesn't get mad if you're to tired to play at the end of your workday. It also won't get jealous if you decide to play with another console or not touch it for a couple monthes.
Great video. Trees are wonderful, I have a tree outside my window that I stare at a lot when I'm thinking.
I'll take a PC. Can build it yourself, run your own software, only replace parts when necessary, and get better performance than a Microsoft or Sony trashcan. Plus you can do useful stuff on it like learning programming and building your own applications.
5:16
"Grizzle, Grizzle"- Hoe Math 2024
Thanks, I was just listening and didn't see that.
Free meal for the bear
Gobble Gobble
but I mean... I've had plenty of great times with trees...
climbing on them, sitting bellow their shadow, eating the fruits, listening to their leaves to relax...
with women its more like:
1) Complaining
2) the ick
3) Unrationability and uncontrolled emotions
4) insults and critiques
5) passive aggressive
6) No dialogue
7) Wants my money
8) Pretends I'm dangerous
9) constantly offends and take offense from any retaliation
10) will phisically hurt me, and be the victim if I defend myself
11) Double standards
12) usually uninteresting dialogue
13) will dislike me for any standard hobby men have (sports,videogames, cars)
14) often ruins your friendships
15) Unloyal
fucking hell the list isn't even at half
Comparing woman to a tree is an insult to the tree.
Photosynthesis
Tree's know how to leaf you alone.
Stop pushing I'm going, I'm going.
Do trees porduce oxygen?
@@abdulazizhawsah9884 yes, yes they do.
@@abdulazizhawsah9884trees are literally better than women, trees make oxygen possible
My male equivalent of "man vs bear" was...
If you are stranded on a desert island, and your goal was to survive for as long as possible, would you rather have a dog or woman with you.
A woman if she's not a nagging useless city girl, otherwise dog. I'd also take the bear elevator over a serial killer.
I guess that depends on whether you're aiming for more than one generation or not.
@@c99kfm ... that would involve their children copulating...
Well the woman has more calories, so I think I'll go with the woman.
it really just depends on the woman, im gonna be fucking sobbing when i have to eat the dog on my boat off the island because he ain't do nun and doesn't even give me as much energy as the woman
if the woman is nice then she's going to help me with making the boat to get us off the island
The pattern is men showed how awful women were being by using their own words (drizzle) and women predictably responded by doubling down and being when meaner saying men are scarier than bears. This is exactly the kind of argument you expect in a relationship when the woman is wrong, won't admit it, then instead pivots to cruelty dredging up something your said when you let your guard down and were vulnerable to use against you in the most vicious way they can imagine. Even doing the man vs bear thing is in itself an intentionally cruel counter attack to men only defending themselves. Women are not so innocent and the most dangerous bear by far is the female
The female of the species is more deadly than the male. Ol’ Rudyard Kipling was a prophet.
Women are dangerous because they hurt man’s feelings. The most logical sex is so easily bruised by the most illogical sex?
Woman have CLAWS literally, everyone seen it. You mean to tell its not to rip someone face off? And they have all kinds of paints on them. For other women and everyone.
I told my ex wife about my emotions and she called me “pathetic”. Lolz
Ok
But why your ex 😕 🤔
@@edithchinyere7387 Probably because they were in a relationship? lol
You're better off without her, my man. Find someone who gives a fuck. These broads have needs and boundaries but as soon as we do we're controlling or needy. I've been doin this thing with my girl when we have these discussions...I give her examples of her behavior that parallel whatever she's pissed about. The reaction is usually an eye roll or a sarcastic "oK"....most likely on my way out
@@edithchinyere7387 well see, when he told her about his emotions, she was probably still his wife
The real problem here is NOT that some men chose a different argument to respond to dehumanizing bigotry.
How dare us men be offended at *checks notes* being treated like murderous monsters that don't deserve love.
@@coltonwilkie241 Why do we care what women think?
@@AtariusBecause it affects the collective mind and that also affects what other guys think?
@@definitely_just_floating In a negative way yes.
I'm approaching this from the perspective that women are selfish and men are sacrificing. These things are not inherently good or bad.
But society requires sacrifice and giving people control over more and more aspects of society, when they're concerned with their own comfort is a recipe for disaster.
In that sense, we men shouldn't concern ourselves with what women think moment to moment. This is why there are so many simp's and paypigs. They are deeply concerned with the goings on and thoughts of their favorite female online personality. They stop sacrificing for the whole collective and only sacrifice themselves to a small subset.
@@Atarius I think the problem is it promotes the idea that Women can belittle us and be accepted, so then the behaviour becomes normalized, and everyone becomes unhappy.
Answering bear is merely a dig at men. Interestingly, a lot of women also struggle with hypotheticals.
It's real to them.
@@AcesnEights698
Nothing is real to them. The 19th put them into an oversocialized world of pure female consensus.
Anything they don't like? They attempt to banish by repeating the words: "I don't feel like that's true..."
Over, and over, and over, and over...
Hypotheticals involve thinking through a scenario within your own mind independently, and then sharing conclusions.
They're group thinkers.
You tell me why they: pause... stare into the middle distance... and then give a perfunctory and cookie-cutter answer that seems to serve no other purpose than pushing a group agenda.
Hypotheticals are a tool used by intelligent people to learn new concepts and subjects by relating them to something familiar. The most famous example of this is Einstein figuring out that time is not the same everywhere (relativity) by constructing a series of hypotheticals and reasoning them out to their logical conclusions. It's no accident that the stupid gender has trouble with this and say stupid shit like "I'm not a car"
Hypotheticals are a tool used by intelligent people to learn new concepts and subjects by relating them to something familiar. The most famous example of this is Einstein figuring out that time is not the same everywhere (relativity) by constructing a series of hypotheticals and reasoning them out to their logical conclusions. It's no accident that the stupid gender has trouble with this.
Running into a bear in the woods only to sprint towards a man screaming help.
Yeah that is the likely outcome but if you are running from a man in the woods then you might run twards the bare at least maybe the bear might also get your attacker if you are lucky
If you run you die. Figure out the bear and either play dead or make yourself look big. But no matter what, if you run, you're f**ked
Every argument with a woman is not about the content of the argument.
Its a power play about:
1) the woman trying to paint you as 'bad'.
2) appointing herself as superior to you. Because in girl-world the superior one gets to make the rules.
3) getting an apology out of you
Yherefore the tactics you use are to make her behave the way you like.
Not to make her understand.
Not to prove to her you are right.
One power play and Im out. Pack your shit and get out of my house. Surprisingly, using this tactic I have never had a single argument with a girlfriend.
Never argue with a woman.
This is not true. Many women are capable of having arguments they do not take personally.
If you only ever see insane online women, of course you will develop this impression.
@@Atarius thay just did
@bolt9110 To be fair, about number 2, LOTS of Men do that. I assume you meant "Morally Superior" ("there are very few women serial killers, therefore evil men are more common than evil women", etc) but you can find lots of men claiming moral superiority, and "Superior" can also mean "older", "richer" (as we can all see now, having money doesn't mean you always make better decisons than poor people).
Ive fought against the "men cant be open or vulnerable" thing since an early age. I fought it by forming close relationships with women and once i trusted them, opening up about various things. I didnt treat them like my personal therapist, and i also didnt cry over every stubbed toe. Every single woman has made me regret it in one way or another, save for the sole exception being my mother. I still hate the idea, but sometimes you just gotta accept reality
At least you learned and didn’t just stupidly continue believing the false doctrine of women actually wanting men to be emotionally vulnerable for wholesome motives.
A man’s mother (and by extension possibly grandmothers and aunts as well) is the only woman who will love him unconditionally. Some poor guys didn’t even get that.
I am very sorry that neither of you have ever found a woman that expressed unconditional love and support after you tell them how you feel (other than your mother), that hurts. It definitely is a reality that these women exist, although I am inclined to agree with the idea that they are becoming more scarce (especially since dating has collapsed into apps instead of genuine human connection). I hope one day you both find someone who can accept you for who you really are, truly.
@liamlieblein6375 yeah, my issue isn't believing that women like that exist. I know they do, my mom is one of them (and before anyone says it's just because she's my mom, no, I've watched her interact with people for over 30 years and she treats everyone with dignity and respect). My issue is that it's near impossible to tell the good ones from the bad ones
@@2ndtolastform That's totally fair, and so my comment was perhaps more directed towards the other user that replied to your post (and generally seem to frequent Hoe Math comment sections) which took your testimony to signal a more sweeping distrust of women in general, one which takes one a step closer to the black pill. Regardless, I do empathize with your pain and wish you the best of luck in trying to find one of the good ones out there.
@@2ndtolastform cool mom, mine treats strangers ok (as cover), and abuses those close to her
6.5% of men who've experienced partner abuse have considered taking their own lives as a result. Men account for 80% of suicides in the USA. It's nice to know the author of this video has been spared any significant emotional abuse from his partners.
Photosynthesis. How is the most logical gender so easily overwhelmed by their own emotions?
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated Photosynthesis?
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated because society doesn’t let us show our emotions
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated How is the "mOsT EmPaThEtIc gEnDeR" totally unable to empathize with or understand the very real issues of abuse and stigma men face?
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated Because they're.. logical?
Correction: she makes her decision based on whether the man or the bear has more money.
Also is the man less than a 5?
@@_nebulousthoughts feet or inches?
Pure appearance
@@vitaliitomas4057
Stop dating broke girls.
bears literally dont have money what are you smoking
As I age, I understand the old patriarchal ways were in place to protect women from themselves, and to motivate men to work
Eventually, we will correct back to that. The process of correction will, in all likelihood, not be pleasant.
The old ways were to make men work for women, and women work for children. Women decided they want to be parasites without being a mother. They choose selfishness rather than family, hurting both men and children, and setting themselves up for abandonment and destruction.
@@Doberman_6773 The gods of the copybook headings, with terror and slaughter return…
@@Doberman_6773 Yeah, probably not our generation, hopefully the next will see it; but realistically there will need to be a REALLY terrible time that will make this look like the good old days. I don't think we've quite been into the deepest depths of the pit yet.
as a man i don't think it exist to protect women, but to protect everyone
solving things and acting out with emotion doesn't makes everyone happy, and men are more fit to be leader
I created a fake Tinder profile as a bear, and these idiots are matching with it.
Perhaps they romanced Halsin in Baldur´s Gate 3, and want to try it out in reality?
Wouldn't bears a more common sight on grinder? Maybe that's what this is about
@@MrJHDK Well, a lot of women actually seem to fetishize gay men, so perhaps they want the "bears" on Grinder. The question is, if those guys have any interest in women.
It seems to me, the bears are ordering off of door dash to me
“I’ll choose the bear”
…proceeds to swipe on random dudes and invite some of them into the bedroom…
Women start a trend that uses defamation, libel and slander against men
Men respond by telling a harmless truth.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's like I say: "hey, if you stop spreading lies to others about me, I'll stop telling the truth to others about you."
Men are usually the perpetrators in cases of sexual and domestic violence, even if the victims are other men/boys.
That's a truth too, but it's not harmless, hey?
Defamation and slander against whom? There are no names in the men vs bear debacle. Nobody's getting hurt (other than the brain cells of people analyzing this shit). Just chill out.
@@TrykusMykus 1) the definition of those words does not include physical harm theyre reputational destruction techniques 2) it was basically a trend of women taking time out of their day to insult/offend men 3) you think men would have responded if it didnt affect them in any way.
lastly i am chill my comment is joke it doesnt mean what they pulled wasnt ugly
There's also a meme where they ask women if they'd rather be seen as overweight or get hit by a car & they chose car. Just let them. It doesn't hurt men.
I think that just speaks to the insecurities that are fed into women from childhood
@@YourPalKindred look its on them no matter how you look at ultimately it falls on them and their choice, besides dont everyone?
The giving tree is actually about how people are ungrateful towards others (a tree in this case) who are and have been truly loyal towards them. It’s a great tale that can definitely be applied to today’s male-female interactions, but in a different way than this. Great video tho, keep em coming mate
that book is sad as shit, I was bummed out even seeing the cover in this video.
@@beowulf_of_wall_st fr, as a species we're actually the worst
That book is a clear-cut abusive relationship.
if a woman nags in the forest, and nobody's around to hear it, does its nags still make a sound?
And is it still a man's fault? (rhetorical question, to which we all know the answer)
Bearly
some guy taking a nap on the couch somewhere wakes up annoyed and doesn't understand why
"does its nags"
P*ych*path detected!
Look, it's one thing distrusting women ,and a whole 'nother thing referring to a woman as "it" instead of "her".
trees be deleting themselves
Cant forget if you survive the bear, you're disfigured and crippled for eternity
If a bear attacks you, you most likely won't survive. But it's rare, since bears avoid humans if they hear them from afar. That's why you should make enough noise if you're walking through a forest with bears. If you are too quiet and surprise them, they're gonna surprise you, especially if it's a mother bear.
No such thing as a feminist in a warzone.
Wonder Woman in no man’s land
Same energy as "there are no atheists in foxholes".
Risk of physical harm vs. emotional harm.
Both can be fatal.
Looks at suicide statistics.
Bro I cannot be more serious: I think you are saving lives.
Dude you are WAY underestimating the consequences of telling your feelings to a woman. Imagine you are married and have a family with her. And she now hates your guts. And she publicly humiliates and divorces you taking your house and kids leaving you alone. It's not "oh whoops I'm 20 and that relationship didn't work on to the next one I have hundreds of options" that's the BEST case.
The point is that you're just playing into their hands by reacting that way.
Exactly. I got a sense of simping from this video. Why do they get to say whatever they want and we can’t even give back a logical humorous rebuttal?
@@nutyyyyhow? They don’t even have a hand to be played into lol, it’s the internet
@@nutyyyy That was one of the points, but not the point I responded to.
@@nutyyyy The point is that young men may hear the argument, and think a little bit before they get burned.
One of the things you should actually learn growing up as a young lad is that women can be extremely petty, like beyond the scope of what you deem what pettiness is without it crossing over as a crime. It's similar to how young girls learn how dangerous men can get as well. The difference is that media at large only reinforces the latter point.
Men being told how they should/shouldn’t respond to something that upset them is just another example of how they are ridiculed for just having feelings. We should read the male response to ‘man or bear’ as a group of people angry about being unfairly compared to a wild animal by women who have probably never encountered such an animal (but who encounter men all the time; men who don’t assault them). Men *overwhelmingly* recognise that women have had bad experiences with them; however, they’re getting fed up with around 3-5% of their number being held up as a supposedly accurate representation of the remaining 95-97%. Most of all, they’re fed up that any disagreement on their part (especially if it indicates ‘feelings’) is ridiculed or dismissed.
“Well, women are fed up of being assaulted by men”
(1) again, most men never assault *anyone*, male or female
(2) Men are nearly five times more likely to be a victim of male violence, but society doesn’t really care about that and is only bothered when it happens to women
(3) when men are victims of male violence they are almost always assumed to have provoked or deserved it
Men have every right to be angry that they are assumed to be more dangerous than bears.
It’s a fair point. Except most men, don’t admit that they are angry because I don’t want the conversation to be about their emotions. If we could have a conversation about women invalidating men’s emotions in society we could get somewhere. Men’s biggest fear in dating is getting their feelings, hurt and getting emotionally disrespected. I can understand that
"Let them date bears". (a la Marie Antionette)
American Men 2024.
Choose the tree and you get a stable food supply, choose the woman and all the tree’s fruit is gone and she complains that your toxic masculinity is giving out oppressive vibes. I’m choosing the oak mistress, Drizzle drizzle 😂
in anime, some trees are actually spirits called dryads and are really horny. tee hee i love anime!
@@jhonviel7381 Not just anime, my friend. Greek mythology had some named dryads as well, like Eurydice.
Makes perfect sense to me. No retaliation meme needed. That being said, if I was in a burning building and an elevator door opened to reveal a bear...I would have...just countless questions.
Paddington 4 is gonna be wild
fellas, if you see a female stranger being assaulted by a male and she is screaming for help, the right thing to do is to ignore her and keep walking because you're an equally dangerous male stranger and two wrongs don't make a right.
Id look around to see if there are any bears that can help her out
You guys have…very skewed perception on the situation?
@@NeyamRye it's female logic. 🤷🏻♂
😁😆🤣
@@NeyamRye Sucks when your own logic is used against you huh?
if you don't play the game , you'll never lose. don't waste your time.
Breaking news: women wonder why men stopped asking them out
That's a stupid attitude to have towards any difficult undertaking and it'll leave you miserable.
@@someguy4405 I am not miserable, peace sure is nice. it was lonely at first , but it doesn't really matter anymore, try it, you'll never go back
@@mrbawls8736 Not trying anything difficult for fear of losing, always expecting that you'll fail, makes you a "loser" in life more permanently. A "winner" expects the most of themselves, builds up their strengths and takes bets they might lose. Champion's mindset. Believe me, I have experience with both.
@@someguy4405 if someone wants to decide that I’m a loser for not forcing myself to look for a girl they’re free to think whatever they want to , idgaf everyone’s entitled to their opinion . I made my decision and I don’t care what people think about it.
“The tree would pick the bear”
🤡🤡🤡
the "man or bear" is a negotiating tactic, plain and simple, albeit an underhanded one. either you acquiesce to her insane idea (that she knows full well is insane) and she gets that status boost of "look I made this man acquiesce to my insane idea, I'm powerful" or you argue and she gets to be shrill and squawk about patriarchy. the only winning move for a man in this situation is to simply disengage.
woman vs wall
Lol
What if the woman has hit the wall?
wall is undefeated as we know
THE WALL!
THE WALL!
THE WALL!
NO ONE ON EARTH
CAN MAKE IT FALL!
Wall. The wall might actually have something interesting to say.
I still like the question as women tend to think they're emotionally considerate to everyone, this instance demonstrates otherwise. Best of all, most dudes were answering honestly
They arent even emotionally considerate to other women, or children. They just use empathy as a tool to gain power and status while pretending to be nice.
hoe_math, you argued that getting graped is worse than getting eaten by a bear. And perhaps YOU genuinely would rather get eaten. But there are two huge problems with that idea.
One; almost every single person who's been unfortunate enough to find themselves in a position to choose between grape of death has chosen grape. Almost all of them.
Two; bears are NOT like most predators. They aren't like wolves or cougars. Wolves or cougars will bite down on your neck and kill you, then eat you. Bears DON'T bother waiting until you're dead to start eating you. They will literally just eat you alive. It's one of the most agonizing deaths in the world. Look up the story of Timothy Treadwell.
Yeah, this video was a real stinker for him.
He did say that bears eat you alive though.
@@Harvest133 He's got a girlfriend now, guy's lost his edge immediately.
@@centralintelligenceagency9003 c'est la vie
@@centralintelligenceagency9003 predictably she decided he wasn't living in a princely enough abode so she fucked back off to her parents once she got bored
Yeah, the real pro gamer move here is to be stoic. Women either love that, or find it frustrating, in my experience. Being stoic is really useful. Just do something productive and ignore other people as best you can. It yields good results.
always a good plan
At that point might as well skip the woman part and go be stoic alone. Its still a lose-lose situation. What point is having a relationship with a woman if I have to be stoic all the time? I can pay for sex.
as a man, I'd rather just tell my feelings to a bear
Would you rather live in a society where women have a vote, or trees have a vote?
Trees. We haven't haven't had a century of trees using their voting majority to enslave us all to Corporate Bureaucracy, destroy and atomize personal relations, in a strict system.
Trees would never do such a thing.
If the average woman really were a table? It'd be a table made outta balsa wood with 3 conspicuous holes drilled into like a bowling ball. And for most of those women? 1-2 of said holes are plugged, and not for general use.
(Exceptions are made for Chad/Tyrone/Daddy Warbucks, obviously.)
Don't forget the missing parts.
At least wood can sustain itself over a longer period even if it’s damaged. It’s an insult to balsa wood when you make the comparison.
I’d argue they’re closer to glass tables if anything. Made out of tempered glass, designed to shatter entirely if a significant amount of force impacts the centre. No point glueing together the shards and dust, best to sweep it up then into the bin.
If a woman were a table, you better not put anything on it🤣.
I get one of the holes, but you never get oral? I'm no Chad and I've gotten oral tons of times.
and that unplugged hole always be a yammering.
My wife agrees with the “bear V man”. She even argued running into a bear in the wild isn’t a 100% risk. I had ran into a bear in the wild and I have a 100% friendly bear encounter. That was her rational. While very true, the bear just ate, it was day time and a black bear. I’ve also ran into thousands of men and have a near 100% safe(I was robbed by two, and in a few fights) encounter with men but 🤷♂️. I guess we ignore the people with 100% safe encounters with men and 100% fatal encounters with bears lol
I think you rather missed the point. I thought this whole bear thing was stupid and funny from the start... until I mentioned it to my mom and gma in jest. They both said unironically that a random man would attack a random woman in the woods MORE THAN HALF of all opportunities. When I pressed the issue on how myself and their ex-husbands and their coworkers are included within "random men" they wouldn't answer whether or not half of us would do something terrible "because no one is watching".
Then finally my own mother said "It isn't about statistics, it's about fear." Jesus fuck that's the most rational woman I've ever met! So glad I walked away a decade ago ffs...
That's the best thing the Internet has shown. How women actually think about men. Put the fairy tales to bed.
The most rational woman would still be in the bottom 10th percentile of men in terms of rationality. Most of those men have criminal records. So yeah not very surprising.
Funny thing is: Fear in and of itself is irrational. It's emotion. Fear has to be rationalized for it to make sense, ergo it's not innately rational.
women don't fear men, i believe that to be a lie they tell to get the the victimhood status. if women were truly scared of men they wouldn't talk so much shit to men's faces. they also wouldn't be inviting random dudes on tinder to their house or go to the strangers house for random hookups. women would also not being going out late at night dressed half naked at clubs full of drunk horny men. they also go out of their way to destroy a men's life.
in fact the types of guys most women are attracted to are more dangerous men while they find good men boring. that should tell you the fear of men is just a lie.
@@benjaminolsen2381thank you!
My dude, this retaliation tactic may actually work. Coz women function of social approval, so if we shame them for one the terrible things they do, they may actually listen for once. Coz no woman want to FEEL like a BAD PERSON. That's why they shift the blame so much and try to be the victim all the time, and cant say "Im sorry". But your idea of making women understand how they say one thing and do another is admirable and very cute specially since you already know so much about women and you keep the faith in them lol. I think its naive to think that women will listen to reason unless their emotions are involved but hey, lets hope Im wrong lol.
nothing men say makes them feel bad, they only answer to the opinions of other women and maybe gay men. most women think it's funny when they hurt men. if she can hurt your feelings that's a big ick and it puts you in not-a-person category pretty quickly
@@beowulf_of_wall_st If that was true they would not fight so hard to stop men talking bad stuff about women. They still want males attention , admiration and respect. They want acceptance. You telling her she is being a cunt is making her taking responsibility for her own actions. I dont know why you assume that women find attractive men who take whatever she give them without making a sound.
They like feeling like a bad person in divorce court. They just need the power trip to go along with the guilt.
They're just going to sidestep it by saying we're equating getting our feelings hurt to being eaten by a bear.
as a woman i can assure you things in my past that men have said have made me feel bad. Women too. And probably nonbinary. And old people and young people and etcetcetc. Everybody can be hurt by anybody and everybody can hurt anybody. Nothing is black and white my friend. I really encourage you to step back and try to challenge your assumptions on the world, or even ask yourself “why is it that you have a presumption? What about your experience or cultural has created you this way and what experience or cultural has impacted another persons option of which you disagree with?”
So, if you wanna flip the script, just use the bear again? "I'd rather meet a bear than a woman, because though the bear may rip me to shreds and eat me, the pain would only be for a second compared to the woman falsely accusing me of sexual harrasment and rape and I'd be sentenced to jail forever and killed there because rapists are not treated well in prison, I'd be forever remembered as a horrible person and no matter how much anyone loved me, they would turn their backs on me and not bring the woman to justice"
0:37 Yeah but men's and women's concerns aren't just exchangeable. Women paranoia is over Men being violent, Men is over women being unresponsive or parasitic. So I think the comparison still works.
The comparison doesnt work because bears are objectively more dangerous than men, whereas confiding your feelings in a tree is objectively safer than talking to a woman.
Appreciate your authenticity, keep being real
What if the man chooses Tree and it falls on him he becomes vulnerable to the bear coming to eat him for 5mins to 5hours … our threats are incomparable 😅
The closest counterpart I've seen to the man vs bear thing is a video of a dude standing between two elevators. One of them has a Karen, the other has a dude trying to calm down a dangerous looking dog. He chooses the one with the dog.
Id take the stairs
"5 hours is a lot, but at least you get to die" 😂😂😂
"What's the worst that's gonna happen? Hurt feelies"
Well, since the women assume worst case scenario, i feel like the men do too
So to answer your question... one (or more) of the following:
-False SA accusations
-Incitement/threat of violence against you
-Incarceration
-Loss of access to children
-Loss of reputation
-Loss of family and friends
-Loss of job
-Criminal record
-Vigilante violence from her camp to get "revenge"
**-loss of life (thank you @user-kn3or7wp6b)
Just off the top of my head, I'm sure there's more things we could go for in the "worst case scenario"
Is loss of life on this list?
@@GoWhereYoureCelebrated Thank you.
I wanted to add both "external" and "self inflicted" versions to the list, but I couldn't find the right terminology that would prevent getting my comment shadow-banned by RUclips.
Or perhaps I should say, the right terminology that doesn't sound ridiculous to circumvent censorship*
Tell your feelings to a women or a tree the women will lead to the potential of weaponizing my feelings and thoughts the tree will just be there
Rare hoemath L. He says that no woman would go into an elevator with a bear, even though lots of girls go back to abusive relationships, they get body altering surgery, and fought for the right to go to WORK of all things to fight for. Also if I tell my feelings to a girl she can use them against me a tree can’t how did bro not get that
Bears... Tall, brown, unemployed, violent tendencies, never sticks around to raise his kids... makes perfect sense, really.
Dude thats tyrone lol
AYO!
What about polar bears tho
@@TheSuperappelflap FUN FACT: A polar bear's skin is dark underneath, to better absorb light. The fur is translucent, to filter sunlight straight to the skin's surface, to quickly warm the bear.
I will say i am even more grateful for my wife. She showed me your pay equality video and it has made my already good day better. Appreciate the videos
You should not use an elevator when the building is on fire^^
Did you understand the point?
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Got the point but this irked me too.
He's saying women will always make a poor decision. Just some learn. Most don't.
@@Kydino idk about you, but if the stairs on fire and there's no other way to get to safety, I'm taking the elevator. At least to another floor where I can take the stairs safely.
I suppose most women saying this have never read The Bear's Embrace. Look it up. It's not a happy story
Most people live too sheltered and keep the naive illusion that nature is clean, fair, happy and nice.
@@hanswoast7And they think life owes them fulfillment
The Giving Tree, a book about taking until there's nothing left and then still taking from the carcass. Perfect choice
Yea, Go with the bear, you will be happier. I will be too......
There is this one file of a girl that gets eaten alive by a bear. She calls her dad. Not even ambulance. It almost looks like she was this little girl who wanted to talk to her dead because she knew she was done.
She was screaming and fighting. Her dad heard all that.. But while being eaten alive she became calm and sad and full of love for her dad.
Imagine that. Imagine the feelings. You know you cant fight that beast. It just eats your liver. You bleed out while it tears you apart. Everything becomes cold.
Ppl who say "I would chose bear"NEED a reality check. They have no idea how the world works.
I speak deeply to my cat. No woman will ever hear the things I tell my cat. Ever.
Let me see if I understand what you are trying to say: Thousands of women I do not interact with on the daily hiding behind the anonymity of the internet so they can be as bold as they want without repercussion have made a ludicrous argument in a social bid to knock all men down a peg on the social opinion scale, and the only answer we should be giving is, "Aight, bet!"
I was one of the upset idiots. Spending time online too much does that to a person. Dadvocate tried to make this same case, but I think it was too soon after. I also saw the woman/tree argument, and shrugged because I know that's just a common effect; once you burn your hand on a stove burner, you take more precaution around all stove burners. Common sense, right? I spent a few weeks off social media, writing stories. Now I don't care about it either. They can lie all they like, but I know she's getting in the elevator with me if the building is on fire.
I think the better question at this point should be whether men should ALLOW the woman into the elevator.
@@NemisCassanderI think we shouldn't, all of this delusion, mass shaming, systematic laws, public speech against us, should have a least a minimum of consequences.
@@angelnum18 That's my feeling as well. Actions have consequences.
Men need to wake up to this fact: all women have is shaming language and appeals to authority. You just need to do what you want and never take her words seriously. When you start giving into her nagging she'll drag you down, never "go along to get along" when she starts nagging ditch her.
More likely than her getting into any elevators, though, is a situation where you suffer from the general perception of being dangerous and oppressive by virtue of your gender.