Discussion content is always good and welcome. ^^ And the word dead/dying on the topic triggers especially the one game andies who then comes to check if their game is on the list, smart move to farm views. :P
How to kill a new MMO before launch. Amazon: There's going to be a new Lord of the Rings MMO. Players: Woo Hoo Amazon: It will be based on the Rings of Power television show.....
From AGS: "The upcoming game will be an open-world MMO adventure in a persistent world set in Middle-earth, featuring the beloved stories of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings literary trilogy" There is still hope...
@@samuraichicken2315 Well Amazon made their series deviate from cannon because they didn't have the rights to produce it in the first place. So if that's any indicator then they'll just try and create new stories again that deviate, and not with the blessing of the Tolkien family.
I always find myself going back to eso idk why but after so long I always find myself going back I can't help it. But yeah I'm middle aged and only play on weekends if I have time. But love it when I do play
@dmacarthur5356 Yeah...ESO isnt going anywhere. Although I play it intermittently and I agree with OP regarding it's current state. But alot of the OP statements are hyperbole at best. ESO is going to be around for a long time
That's actually not a bad thing. Over the last decade or so it seemed like everyone was churning out MMO's trying to cash in on WoW's success. Some were good, some were decent, but a lot of them were just bad. It just makes sense that the bad ones and even some of the decent ones will die off. IMO, there is far too much deadwood in the MMO market as it is a lot more of them need to give up and die off, especially the cash shop heavy, pay to win titles.
@@BasedChadman Because MMO's became big business. Most of the best MMO's were created by gamers who wanted to create quality games. They started out as passion projects. Then the bean counters showed up, bought out the studios and tried to turn the games into cash cows. WoW was doing very well, until Activision showed up. Most of the MMO's getting churned out nowadays are over monetized pieces of crap. Steam is loaded with them.
As a LOTRO player who has played it for 15 years it pains me to agree with you. Its not been my main game for years but there is no other game out there that lets me hang out in ME and brings to life Tolkiens world. I agree 100% I dont think LOTRO survives if Amazon pulls of a new Middle Earth MMO, but thats not a guarantee given their track record.
As I stated above... LOTRO has been "dying" for years now, limping along with a small but dedicated fanbase. But I tell ya what... it is a wonderful thing. No, it's not for the hypebeast kids out there. It's slow, clunky and kind of a sprawling mess. Its systems and level of graphical fidelity are way behind the times. But it is still a gorgeous work of stunning beauty to life-long lovers of Tolkien's works, and I hope it stays up as long as possible. The degree of care and love with which most of the LOTR world (and, yes, some fanciful additions) was put together is unrivaled in terms of dedication to the source material. And even though it is graphically "outdated", it really does still look great in an old-school way. Especially when you visit places you've read and imagined about for decades. God bless LOTRO.
LOTRO will survive in the decadent state it has been for another 10 years probably and I dont believe amazon will deliver anything worthy to play. LOTRO still has some charm and heart to it and the level of detail and scale is hard to emulate even with a higher budget
@@Supadrumma441 Dude, it's a game with a small player base, a small company is running it, they have limited manpower and limited resources. You kids are like a broken record, "DEVS SUCK, DEVS SUCK, DEVS SUCK." Why don't you see if they're hiring and go fix the game for them, big time?
@@mercster Nope, I will NEVER work in game development ever again. Go buy another FOMO pack from the cash shop little sheep. Pretty sure they have released more fomo cosmetics than actual CONTENT in the past year. Umbar was an utter snorefest of a zone with music that made me want to drill my ears out. I would install it again to see if there is anything new but I'm sure I'll rubber band on the warsteeds for daring to go more than 50 feet. Face it, game is garbage. Have some self respect and play a decent game.
LOTRO has been "dying" for years now... limping along with a small but dedicated fanbase. But I tell ya what... it is a wonderful thing. No, it's not for the hypebeast kids out there. It's slow, clunky and kind of a sprawling mess. Its systems and level of graphical fidelity are way behind the times. But it is still a gorgeous work of stunning beauty to life-long lovers of Tolkien's works, and I hope it stays up as long as possible. The degree of care and love with which most of the LOTR world (and, yes, some fanciful additions) was put together is unrivaled in terms of dedication to the source material. And even though it is graphically "outdated", it really does still look great in an old-school way. Especially when you visit places you've read and imagined about for decades. God bless LOTRO.
I'm glad to say I am the person you hate in a RPGMMO. I remember when RPGMMO's came out and people were cool to play with, now the min/max player culture sucks.
Love SWTOR it’s definitely my favorite MMORPG and it’s sad to see it being put on life support with Broadsword, but the memories and moments I had will be with me and others forever who played the game. Maybe one day we’ll get a new StarWars MMORPG…. Or we won’t
SWTOR won't die it has a growing population and a healthy player base, Broadsword will keep releasing updates, a new star Wars MMO won't kill the game.
I think eso shutting down or not depends on the crown store. Store makes lots of money, game keeps running. If store stops making lots of money then they throw it in the bin real quick.
I am getting the sense that ESO's crown store is suffering...one example is the fact that for the first time ever they have started giving away crown crates as daily rewards for like 5 days straight and even give u a mount and pet too. These r signs of desperation cuz they are trying to entice more players to log in again and also purchase from crown store.
@@MalcomMalediction mate. It's big a year for them as the 10th anniversary. Crates were given in the very beginning and people complained for years about bringing them back. Expect more and more free goodies this year.
@@MalcomMalediction they just revealed that ESO has generated $2,000,000,000 since it launched.. ESO is the bread and butter cash cow for Zenimax/Bethesda. They're also working completely silently on a brand new MMO
Nah. The game industry is in the same crisis as real world economy which is in limbo for 20 years already. You can't make good and creative games when all the global companies are living on borrowed time and buying back of their shares is more important then actual product. Bad games are bad from the same reason as Boeing planes are losing parts midflight and why average genZ will never buy a house. The root cause are greedy bankers and global elites pulling the strings and rigged economy of infinite debts and bribes.
To answer your question. I am playing the elder scrolls online because I beaten Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind multiple times and want something fresh.
Uh Oh. What is exactly fresh on eso ? Hey people, you can pay for a new chapter and we will give you super strong oakensoul ring. 2 months later. oh people, we are nerfing oakensoul you grinded 2 months ago day and night because it is too much OP, but stay tuned for the next chapter we want to sell you.
Actually to the contrary I've seen a shift to older mmos. People are so used to new mmos disappointing they're going back to the games that have the features and financial models they like. Golden age mmos.
eso dead in 5 years best joke ive seen this year xD if you dont like the game just go, no one gives a fk. dont need this crap on youtube xD take care bro xD
So Amazon’s MMO Newworld is dying but Amazons new LotR MMO will kill LotRO? Guess anything’s possible but surprised me you didn’t point out the irony there.
amazon can just churn out expensive slop unless you must have forgotten about Crucible. they have the ability to because they have tons of $$$. something most indie dev studios like intrepid and npixel are unable to do. they don't expect these live service games to last longer than 3 years.
Sawman, you will always be my favorite filthy Nightblade Gank! but yeah, the sense of challenge, and even PvP community has since left ESO. I moved onto Star Citizen for the dynamic DayZ in Space, Starkov vibes, the PvP is filthy competitive, and piracy gameplay is made for ganks! You should totally play some more SC dude! and maybe even get to know the gank community/creators like GreasyKhaleesii and VoidyVids Miss just seeing you do your thing Sawman, high-tier PvP and Ganking! :P
You’re also picking games that were originally designed with their own launcher and don’t need steam to play it. I know that’s a hard concept for a troll like you.
I doubt an old engine would stop players from playing ESO. I also doubt that the game is outright going to disappear. However, it has definitely started the shift into maintenance mode. I'm more convinced than ever that the hardware and software upgrades they invest in so much were just so that they could cut run costs as much as possible and allow them to more effectively scale the amount of processing required based on demand. Content is also becoming more scarce and it looks like they'll be focusing more and more on procedural stuff - which lends itself to a smaller crew and yet lower running costs. But the game will likely still be around for a long, long time. At the very least it will be a safe and easy fallback for them to make some basically-free cash while they stumble all over their new project and mess up everything left and right.
you are wrong. the old engine means more costs. the code is in such bad shape it would be easier to write a brand new game from the scratch then refactor the existing one or migrate to new engine. And if the game is slow, unreliable and full of bugs even on new hardware, it is end of the product life. to be fair, the first designers of TESO made very bad design. The Cyro will never work. You just cant have huge open world PVP map with hundreds of players as it is lagging even on up to date engines and super powerful hardware. All games today are not doing that. You can have big open world map with 3-4 teams up to 50 ppl and wait times and limited duration around 20 minutes maximum. But they designed neverending campaign for 400 people available 24/7 in ESO. These people should be kicked the very first day they released the Cyro idea. They nearly destroyed the whole game and the consequences are visible even after 10 years. This stupid idea cost millions of $$$$ just on hardware.
@@rofo2107 What part am I wrong about? You mentioned several different factors that are all at odds with one-another but didn't specify what it was that was wrong. Was it about cost cutting? There is zero incentive to re-write a massive engine from scratch when they are making money hand-over-fist as it is with what they have. Or was I wrong about people still playing games on such old engines? Considering people still play games much older, I think that argument can be dismissed right out of hand. Perhaps I was wrong about the game shifting into maintenance mode? Then why did you yourself suggest that the game was at its end of life? Maybe I'm wrong about them stumbling over the next project? I'll admit that could be. We'll have to wait and see with that one.
new world is such dogsht lmao i just started back on DAOC on the eden server where everyone actually plays and it’s stark how different a good game not in its prime compares to a game that was garbage to begin with
LOTRO is not going anywhere anytime soon and certainly not dead in 5 years. Yes Amazon will drop a new LotR game but that doesn't automatically mean that people who have spend thousands of hours and (lot of) money will jump ship the second Amazon drops the New World re-skin.
I've been playing LOTRO for 10+ years and I don't want to quit, but as Standing Stone Games seems to have given up on it, I may well do so as well, especially as Amazon makes a new one.
Hey little one to break it to you dude but you need to go back and watch the developers diaries for the elder scrolls online because it was designed around single player with some elements of group play
Play them while you can, I guess. Luckily, I got to play, and enjoy, all of these. Certain franchises though will never fully die. Star Wars, Lord of the Ring etc, they will always be restarted. It's like a Batman or Spiderman movie series, they just get rebooted every 10 years. As you said though, private servers will always keep the games going, so if you enjoy it don't worry too much.
Bro how Ashes of creation will die in the next 5 years if it won't even be released is 5 years? Moreover they are a team with a bit more than 100 people and 200 million dollar budget, unless they literally start burning the cash they will still be around in half a decade.
I can't wait till they start selling Merchandise as the next source of income. AoC 2027, that's 3 years to release, there's no way in hell it's dead 2 years later. Even if Steven dropped dead, the game would be around 10 years from now.
I won’t be buying the new ESO chapter .. the XBOX NA PvP community is shrinking not expanding, and it’s not any better on the PVE side with regard to finding decent players to build a progression team for trials. The game may end up like Eve … not dead but not thriving / progressing.
I highly doubt the elder scrolls six is going to kill the elder scrolls online you want to know why because Bethesda has embraced DEIESG for modern audience. Oh, and they’re part of Microsoft, so yeah, they’re going full woke
why is nobody angry about payin 15 bucks for eso premium plus payin 25ish bucks every 4-6 six months to new dlc? am i the only brokeazz player in this world?
Many games that are mmorpg's are meant to survive. But old games are going to get stale or boring for their content is not made correctly for many years. mmorpgs need skills to leveling that takes a year and so we have Runescape for about 30 skills. Each skill takes a year for 99 but could go for 200m exp. Would take about 25-50 years.
New World MMO is going to get rekted by Genshin when it released on consoles. Just take a look at Genshin's latest videos from their official channel. 1-2 million of views in just under 24 hours. They are not competing on the genre rather they are competing with your time and both games are kinda like played as a third-person single-player game anyway with.
Games like Guild wars 2 New World ESO Even Star wars the old republic all suffer from the same symptom imo Each game after a certain point of time has abandoned their PvP player base in favor of focusing on PvE Granted I like PvE And I can understand the attraction of it to an extent but if that was all I cared about I wouldnt go to an mmo for it Id stay in skyrim/oblivion.. All of these mmos like to tease the idea of PvP! when in reality its an afterthought its not fully supported by the devs... And just like ESO Is coming up on its 5 year no pvp content release anniversary via the forums those damn near same lines are also used on the Guild wars 2 forums of 5 years no PvP content Games like New world .. as fun as the combat is They still have the exact same OPR map they have had since launch ... I think guild wars 2 is the game you can technically jump into the PvP the earliest on If i recall its like lv 10 and you can pick pvp gear ESO ...Star wars the old republic and new world If you want to compete in PvP you have to PvE to an extent though old republic might be the lesser of those evils in that regard New World have of those nifty shiny artifacts are locked away to expeditions a few drop from the PvP tracks but its a rng drop and anyone that has played New world knows how the *Luck* works on that game lol... ESO this one is a no brainer every new chapter brings new meta sets from dungeons that everyone has to farm so they can cheese people In PvP same for the mythics lol All of these companies refuse to truly invest in the PvP aspect of their games and its any wonder why it doesnt make them money If they put half the effort they invested into PvE into the PvP aspects of their game there could be potential Easier to just invest In PvE and the game store though those are absolution lol... At this rate someone will mod skyrim to have more engaging PvP then those other 4 games I named which would be quite the laugh and poetic imo. @sawmanUK I noticed in 1 of your previous videos you commented on the PvP season for star wars old republic While some PvP season is good ...Bioware got rid of ranked seasons to introduce those new ones and those new ones are catered to attracting Pvers but not to learn PvP they merely afk for the rewards you can literally lose your way thru those seasons and earn rewards Some of those rewards are replica versions of previous items that were *Only* Obtainable In Ranked PvP and you had to place good/rank high to obtain them Others you could earn via tokens but you *Had* to win your matches to earn the tokens instead now players can lose intentionally and earn them... Now a Pver can come in afk in those matches earn similar tokens for the vendor where those replica items are obtainable aside from the text in the name there is no visible distinction between the replica version and the real deal And all of those items that were once coveted as signs of accomplishment can be obtained by intentionally losing
you are wrong about lotro. that game has a few whales enough to keep it alive. they wont just leave their kingdom for a new one. they are invested. same with DDO. you are also wrong about eso and its solo friendly structure. rather its evolution to extraction rpg. mmos either have to shut down or become single player friendly at this point. look at the ones thatre thrivigin atm. osrs, solo friendly. warframe, solo friendly. albion, somewhat solo friendly with clan-guild possibilities. even wow is bleeding out while these games are gaining pop.
but it is true. On every server you will have like top 10-50 players able to kill anybody. And these top 50 players will not pay as much as 20,000 average PVE players who are very happy killing PVE mobs, but are super unhappy to be slaughtered by top 50 again and again and again.
I dont play ESO anymore. I put thousands of hours into it and it was my main mmorpg. It just became too formulaic. At the beginning, it had a lot of passion in the development, and there were new ideas being pushed through it. It just feels the same expansion after expansion.
People call any game that isn't doing Fortnite numbers "dead" these days. A dead game is a game that is no longer getting updates, or one that you literally can't even play anymore.
Problem is mmo developers don't know who to develop for and technology isn't there yet. Pve players dont like pvp and pvp players dont like pve. Focus on one or the other and make a good game.
Sorry not sorry I’m just not interested in team play but I like ever expanding games you can find in MMO’s. Love exploring and character building but loath team play as it limits me and I just don’t want to fit any specific role that teams get really angry about:) This I’m never going to play as a team member.
Thats so depressing how ur anti-social cuz u can really boost ur enjoyment of a MMORPG when playing with a fun group of players, ur really missing out.
@@MalcomMalediction Anti Social? Hardly I’m equally comfortable in groups of friends as I am completely alone. That said in traditional game play every player is usually expected to fill a role (I see it as a limitation) where I design my characters to be generalists. Thus they very often just don’t fit on one’s average team play and that causes others to get upset as they don’t see me doing enough DPS, Healing, Tanking, etc. I try to warn them that I’m just not that guy but still their expectations are often not met by my game play. It’s a bother I can do without I’m sure the same can be said for them as well. That’s why I’m willing to help if asked but I’m not looking for a permanent team. I’ve found when I’m just lending a hand in a pinch I get far less complaints for my game play and dare I say even gratitude on occasion…
As someone who's played ESO since 2014, I will confirm that ESO is practicly dead at this point. I myself only keep playing it because we don't have many better options atm, but I'm already established on ESO.
@@anacronrealz If you want to convince me that ESO is still thriving, don't just say "How is ESO dead?" but also include supporting evidence to back up your claim. And accusing me of being high on top of not providing supporting evidence doesn't really do much to make you look smart.
@@kermidiu4390 maybe there is a difference in perception. For you, a game not thriving means the game is dead. For other people a game is dead when no one plays it. And people definitely play ESO. I am an admin in an EU PVE/Social guild and we're constantly with 500 people in the in-game roster with the applications constantly being backed up despite the fact we have a 7-day offline kick policy. People are too active, there is no one to kick. 😂
Elder Scrolls Online is just as much of an 'Elder Scrolls' game as it is an online game, it is an elder scrolls game that just happens to be online more than it's an online game that just happens to be set in Tamriel
Will New World truly be dead if it is re-skinned into Amazon's new LOTR MMO? Also before Dragonflight's success WoW might have been considered for this list but things change.
Well, with ESO it is kinda a shit-reasoning. TES6 will affect the player count and might be the beginning of the end, sure. What you're missing here is that the exact reason why this game WILL be alive for longer than expected is its "solo focused" gameplay. Most MMOs die because of a very simple math: low player population = less accesible content for the existing players = even less new players because no one plays low level stuff. Everything else is fixable but you almost never get out of that spiral once it starts. Content, gameplay, monetizing....these are "minor issues" that contribute to that equation. ESO, by moving away from the typical MMO formula, made it possible to almost completely ignore this problem. I can get back to this game after 2-3 years and be able to just "jump back into action" without issues. No need for radical re-equipment, reskilling, finding players that match my level etc. Game is literally designed to be as accesible to everyone at any point. Also, the game is "succesful" mostly because it completely avoided going for the hardcore MMO player base. They were never competing with WoW or any other major title. Most players I've seen are people that just want to enjoy themselves, build something in their favourite world and be able to interact with similar minded people. They don't want to be forced to do that, like it happens in WoW (yes, to access most WoW features you are forced to be a part of the community and most people these days don't have time nor energy to do that). I won't bet it will be around 10 years from now on, that would be a wishful thinking, with game getting more and more "overdone and overcooked". But 5 years? I don't see a reason just yet...
People still play Skyrim and mod scene is still very active. TES6 will actually sink all those players, who actually spend alot of money - solo, PVE, housing - and before all expansions and mods go out and assuming that the game will be as good as Skyrim, just with newgen graphics - there might be nothing left in ESO to comeback to...
@@mjlee8013It won’t „sink all those players” because those players are different groups for the most part. TES6 will lure in 60-70% of modders and most of vanilla from Skyrim but ESO players are usually the ones that do know modding and Skyrim exist and yet, they still stay with ESO. As I said - people who play ESO on the regular are usually care-free and dont want to be forced. Modding is a time sink and a source of instability for the game. ESO has just enough customization built in to be okay for the most players. So, TES6 would need to have at least that from the start. Now, online features. A lot of these „solo players” actually want to share with others. Invite them over, fawn over someone elses design etc. These players will stay and they are the ones that often spend the most here. Game will not grow, that much is obvious. But I won’t say it will be going dead unless Bethesda 100% decides to stop supporting it with new content.
Lotro is still getting lots of updates and expansions, yes it may be dying but it’s SLOWLY dying and has a cult following, it still has a few years~10 years. Amazon’s new lotr mmo may fail like New world because it might be all nice graphics but no substance.
LOTRO has been "dying" for years now... limping along with a small but dedicated fanbase. But I tell ya what... it is a wonderful thing. No, it's not for the hypebeast kids out there. It's slow, clunky and kind of a sprawling mess. Its systems and level of graphical fidelity are way behind the times. But it is still a gorgeous work of stunning beauty to life-long lovers of Tolkien's works, and I hope it stays up as long as possible. The degree of care and love with which most of the LOTR world (and, yes, some fanciful additions) was put together is unrivaled in terms of dedication to the source material. And even though it is graphically "outdated", it really does still look great in an old-school way. Especially when you visit places you've read and imagined about for decades. God bless LOTRO.
The casual community and design around MMO's is what is killing them all slowly. The whole ''carebear'' approach is what makes true MMO lovers leave. That's why WoW classic and OSRS are probably the best MMOs cause they stick with their core audience. These games are meant to be SUPER competitive with a focus on character building and progression...fully converted to ARPG's personally because I feel like its just done better and really...there is more respect for the genre and less care for casuals and hand holding in ARPG's.
handholding is a virus infecting all genres. no one wants to put in time doing anything even professionally. its all about shortcuts and getting to the finish line as fast as possible and ignoring the journey.
You think AGS gambling on console players to buy a 3 year old MMO with no end game and low population while being a testing ground for LoTR is going to work? I think console players are starving for a good MMO not something that's a steaming pile of sh*t.
rage bait content, eso literally getting expansions still kiddo, its alive and well and profitable. its phased down but literally none of your criteria standards you yourself put out was met . "there's so many other mmos you could play!" yeah what? looked at your slow laggy website, checked your "tier list" you have a lost ark clone as "S tier most hyped mmo coming out soon!" lol, nah bro. nah. you reek of fotm mmo hopper who doesnt actually legitimately play a single mmo
Even if it was a new Star Wars, MMO, you can blame Disney for why they would be no hype around it. Everybody’s in apathy for Star Wars. Now no one cares about it anymore. Are you just say brain dead you don’t pay attention online
If ESO doesn't wake up and make some earnable cosmetics/mounts obtainable via in game achievements then yeah, for sure it's gonna die. I mean it's absolutely pathetic that a high end player that went through hell and back has the appearance of a beggar in terms of cosmetics while a lvl 50 gigachad drops 5 grand in the game and looks cool. Bad implementation and also there's gambling, been buying them crates since 2019 and never ever I've gotten a radiant mount or even a polymorph. Even with the new server upgrade, went in Cyro to test some new gear and skills didn't even fire, just stood there like a brick waiting to be executed. Game just wants your money, nothing else.
"Do you really think players want to play a game using a 15 year old engine!" Final Fantasy XIV: 10yo engine OSRS: 22yo engine WoW: 20yo engine Considering the three most played MMOs, all have very old engines, ya I think people do. If nothing else the was simply an objectively incorrect and terrible take.
And I can name 20 graphically dated mmos that died. You are also missing the key point that the game has many , many bugs. Also when did I say 25 year old engine , the games been out 10 years , and I’m talking 5 years from now.
@@sawmanUK It was a typo. You said 15yo engine. Ya and the engines age clearly doesn't matter in the end. WoW graphically and mechanically is more dated than ESO and others and it's the most popular MMO on earth. People do not care that much about the games engine being new. If it was a deciding factor the top 3 wouldn't be some of the oldest and clunkiest engine of all the games out atm. Buddy I'd just take the L on this, it was a bad point especially considering WoW and Runecape run on a over 20 year old engine. No one care how old or dated an engine if it's fun. Your letting pride leak into this.
NEW WORLD seems like it was one of those Google technological experiments that are good but they close after some time, like Stadia. I know it is not from Google, but Amazon looks to behave that way too. I believe TESO will live if Elder Scrolls 6 flops. If ES6 success, I might take away all the solo players. The base player is pretty loyal to the Elder Scrolls franchise, more than being a good or bad MMO. A favor note for TESO is that, along GW2, are the only two MMO that you can really play for free when you start and continue playing with a low money investment. Similar to TESO goes with SWTOR, although I would say that STWOR is already in a semi-maintenance mode.
It sad about New World because the game has this high quality to it, but at the same time there is a lot to hate. SWTOR is a very good game in my opinion and can use some love, and it will probably die since Broadsword took it over. ESO I only enjoyed the MAGCRO build, and thought every other class and build were underwhelming.
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go try EVE Online lol, and join a public fleet of Spectre Fleet as a new player :D
This^ EvE goes hard if you go deep :P
Also be awesome to see you do more piracy on Star Citizen! Back to the gank?
Comeback to Cyrodiil, come Neravar come
These discussion and reviews are pretty damn good and lots of content
Discussion content is always good and welcome. ^^ And the word dead/dying on the topic triggers especially the one game andies who then comes to check if their game is on the list, smart move to farm views. :P
How to kill a new MMO before launch.
Amazon: There's going to be a new Lord of the Rings MMO.
Players: Woo Hoo
Amazon: It will be based on the Rings of Power television show.....
Wait is this true? If so F that game. Not playing it. Cannon or GTFO.
@@jonvvoid No idea. I was making a joke but I dearly hope not.
@@samuraichicken2315 Amazon is dumbing us down 😞
From AGS: "The upcoming game will be an open-world MMO adventure in a persistent world set in Middle-earth, featuring the beloved stories of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings literary trilogy"
There is still hope...
@@samuraichicken2315 Well Amazon made their series deviate from cannon because they didn't have the rights to produce it in the first place. So if that's any indicator then they'll just try and create new stories again that deviate, and not with the blessing of the Tolkien family.
I always find myself going back to eso idk why but after so long I always find myself going back I can't help it. But yeah I'm middle aged and only play on weekends if I have time. But love it when I do play
Even i havent played ESO in almost a year. I dont think ESO will die though, tbh.
Not as long as the crown store keeps milking idiots 😂😂
I just started ESO and even at 2-4 am there are still lots of players on.
@dmacarthur5356
Yeah...ESO isnt going anywhere. Although I play it intermittently and I agree with OP regarding it's current state. But alot of the OP statements are hyperbole at best.
ESO is going to be around for a long time
@@thomasjefferson3449 Unless the game engine shits itself to death, which is definitely possible given the game breaking bugs.
@samuraichicken2315
Amen brother!
Amazon will fuck up the new LOTR just like New World. LOL
I doubt they can create a game in the U.S. nowadays. So much political correctness and stupid ideology means zero fun.
It already has lmao
Not to say that original LOTRO was good to be honest, it was a prime example of hostile design in gaming
You think Amazon won’t ruin the MMO like they did Rings of Power?
we expect they will ruin it.
Amazon clearly hates money.
Every year more MMOs die than are released.
😹😹😹 so true
That's actually not a bad thing. Over the last decade or so it seemed like everyone was churning out MMO's trying to cash in on WoW's success. Some were good, some were decent, but a lot of them were just bad. It just makes sense that the bad ones and even some of the decent ones will die off. IMO, there is far too much deadwood in the MMO market as it is a lot more of them need to give up and die off, especially the cash shop heavy, pay to win titles.
@@keithcraig506So why can't people just make good ones? WoW is nothing like what it once was.
@@BasedChadman
Because MMO's became big business.
Most of the best MMO's were created by gamers who wanted to create quality games. They started out as passion projects. Then the bean counters showed up, bought out the studios and tried to turn the games into cash cows.
WoW was doing very well, until Activision showed up. Most of the MMO's getting churned out nowadays are over monetized pieces of crap. Steam is loaded with them.
@@keithcraig506 I feel like that's the entire gaming industry now, sadly, minus the rare BG3 types
I'm just here to read comments from people who get hurt over saying something about thier favorite pixels.
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Didn’t even put a certain game in the title or description 😹😹😹
Eso will never die ,it will always be in sawmans heart
lol
The atmosphere in ESO is unmatched! Love this game 😎
@@powerplaybg007 What are you talking about :D Have you played other games
I agree The Elder Scrolls Online Tamriel Unlimited will never die its 10 years old
There's a lot of people that rotate between a few games
As a LOTRO player who has played it for 15 years it pains me to agree with you. Its not been my main game for years but there is no other game out there that lets me hang out in ME and brings to life Tolkiens world. I agree 100% I dont think LOTRO survives if Amazon pulls of a new Middle Earth MMO, but thats not a guarantee given their track record.
As I stated above... LOTRO has been "dying" for years now, limping along with a small but dedicated fanbase. But I tell ya what... it is a wonderful thing. No, it's not for the hypebeast kids out there. It's slow, clunky and kind of a sprawling mess. Its systems and level of graphical fidelity are way behind the times. But it is still a gorgeous work of stunning beauty to life-long lovers of Tolkien's works, and I hope it stays up as long as possible. The degree of care and love with which most of the LOTR world (and, yes, some fanciful additions) was put together is unrivaled in terms of dedication to the source material. And even though it is graphically "outdated", it really does still look great in an old-school way. Especially when you visit places you've read and imagined about for decades.
God bless LOTRO.
LOTRO will survive in the decadent state it has been for another 10 years probably and I dont believe amazon will deliver anything worthy to play.
LOTRO still has some charm and heart to it and the level of detail and scale is hard to emulate even with a higher budget
The problem with LOTRO is the devs. @@mercster
@@Supadrumma441 Dude, it's a game with a small player base, a small company is running it, they have limited manpower and limited resources. You kids are like a broken record, "DEVS SUCK, DEVS SUCK, DEVS SUCK." Why don't you see if they're hiring and go fix the game for them, big time?
@@mercster Nope, I will NEVER work in game development ever again.
Go buy another FOMO pack from the cash shop little sheep. Pretty sure they have released more fomo cosmetics than actual CONTENT in the past year.
Umbar was an utter snorefest of a zone with music that made me want to drill my ears out. I would install it again to see if there is anything new but I'm sure I'll rubber band on the warsteeds for daring to go more than 50 feet.
Face it, game is garbage. Have some self respect and play a decent game.
LOTRO has been "dying" for years now... limping along with a small but dedicated fanbase. But I tell ya what... it is a wonderful thing. No, it's not for the hypebeast kids out there. It's slow, clunky and kind of a sprawling mess. Its systems and level of graphical fidelity are way behind the times. But it is still a gorgeous work of stunning beauty to life-long lovers of Tolkien's works, and I hope it stays up as long as possible. The degree of care and love with which most of the LOTR world (and, yes, some fanciful additions) was put together is unrivaled in terms of dedication to the source material. And even though it is graphically "outdated", it really does still look great in an old-school way. Especially when you visit places you've read and imagined about for decades.
God bless LOTRO.
I am amazed it's still going at all. I thought it ended years ago.
i stopped played lotro back in december 2013, more than 10 years, i was surprised to see a lot of people still playing it
I'm glad to say I am the person you hate in a RPGMMO. I remember when RPGMMO's came out and people were cool to play with, now the min/max player culture sucks.
Love SWTOR it’s definitely my favorite MMORPG and it’s sad to see it being put on life support with Broadsword, but the memories and moments I had will be with me and others forever who played the game.
Maybe one day we’ll get a new StarWars MMORPG…. Or we won’t
SWTOR won't die it has a growing population and a healthy player base, Broadsword will keep releasing updates, a new star Wars MMO won't kill the game.
I think eso shutting down or not depends on the crown store. Store makes lots of money, game keeps running. If store stops making lots of money then they throw it in the bin real quick.
I am getting the sense that ESO's crown store is suffering...one example is the fact that for the first time ever they have started giving away crown crates as daily rewards for like 5 days straight and even give u a mount and pet too. These r signs of desperation cuz they are trying to entice more players to log in again and also purchase from crown store.
@@MalcomMalediction mate. It's big a year for them as the 10th anniversary. Crates were given in the very beginning and people complained for years about bringing them back. Expect more and more free goodies this year.
@@MashMallomanpeople complain because there’s extremely little cosmetic gameplay rewards in game. It’s almost entirely in the shop
@@MalcomMalediction they just revealed that ESO has generated $2,000,000,000 since it launched.. ESO is the bread and butter cash cow for Zenimax/Bethesda. They're also working completely silently on a brand new MMO
@@MalcomMalediction It's 10 year anniversary thing ... they had to give tons of stuff for free for celebrating 10 year.
I'll just keep saying that these games will die in 5 years, every 5 years.
Strategy most people use, even a broken clock is correct twice a day...
yes, farme hate
Nah. The game industry is in the same crisis as real world economy which is in limbo for 20 years already. You can't make good and creative games when all the global companies are living on borrowed time and buying back of their shares is more important then actual product. Bad games are bad from the same reason as Boeing planes are losing parts midflight and why average genZ will never buy a house. The root cause are greedy bankers and global elites pulling the strings and rigged economy of infinite debts and bribes.
To answer your question. I am playing the elder scrolls online because I beaten Skyrim, Oblivion, and Morrowind multiple times and want something fresh.
Uh Oh. What is exactly fresh on eso ? Hey people, you can pay for a new chapter and we will give you super strong oakensoul ring. 2 months later. oh people, we are nerfing oakensoul you grinded 2 months ago day and night because it is too much OP, but stay tuned for the next chapter we want to sell you.
@@rofo2107 I'll just continue to enjoy it and you can continue to bitch about things how about that? I have no interest in communicating with you.
Actually to the contrary I've seen a shift to older mmos. People are so used to new mmos disappointing they're going back to the games that have the features and financial models they like. Golden age mmos.
I still play GW2 and recommend it. We also got good news about annual expansions plus a leak of GW3 in development...
I left ESO for GW2… so much better even though its an older game!
I don't agree with GW2 it's pretty live when I hop on. Eso sucks clunker for sure. Sucks but it's like cla clunk cla clunk it sucks.
eso dead in 5 years best joke ive seen this year xD if you dont like the game just go, no one gives a fk. dont need this crap on youtube xD take care bro xD
Just go ?
Older MMOs have a level of stickiness, I think ESO and maybe SWOTOR have jussssssssst enough stickiness to survive though I could be wrong.
All online games eventually die and all your time money and effort erased away once the server gets shut down.
So Amazon’s MMO Newworld is dying but Amazons new LotR MMO will kill LotRO? Guess anything’s possible but surprised me you didn’t point out the irony there.
amazon can just churn out expensive slop unless you must have forgotten about Crucible. they have the ability to because they have tons of $$$. something most indie dev studios like intrepid and npixel are unable to do. they don't expect these live service games to last longer than 3 years.
Eso should merge console players in one server imo
Console players would quit lol. The guild traders are too different and you don't have the same resources available on console.
@@carrotcake3378 What? Im pretty sure we would love to have a higher population.
Sawman, you will always be my favorite filthy Nightblade Gank! but yeah, the sense of challenge, and even PvP community has since left ESO.
I moved onto Star Citizen for the dynamic DayZ in Space, Starkov vibes, the PvP is filthy competitive, and piracy gameplay is made for ganks!
You should totally play some more SC dude! and maybe even get to know the gank community/creators like GreasyKhaleesii and VoidyVids
Miss just seeing you do your thing Sawman, high-tier PvP and Ganking! :P
I thought the new LOTRmmo was cancelled?
LOTRO might survive the Amazon MMO…if that one turns out to be as bad or worse than New World
Most games will be dead in 5 years. That's a long life span for a game, nowadays.
You’re also picking games that were originally designed with their own launcher and don’t need steam to play it. I know that’s a hard concept for a troll like you.
I doubt an old engine would stop players from playing ESO. I also doubt that the game is outright going to disappear. However, it has definitely started the shift into maintenance mode. I'm more convinced than ever that the hardware and software upgrades they invest in so much were just so that they could cut run costs as much as possible and allow them to more effectively scale the amount of processing required based on demand. Content is also becoming more scarce and it looks like they'll be focusing more and more on procedural stuff - which lends itself to a smaller crew and yet lower running costs. But the game will likely still be around for a long, long time. At the very least it will be a safe and easy fallback for them to make some basically-free cash while they stumble all over their new project and mess up everything left and right.
you are wrong. the old engine means more costs. the code is in such bad shape it would be easier to write a brand new game from the scratch then refactor the existing one or migrate to new engine. And if the game is slow, unreliable and full of bugs even on new hardware, it is end of the product life. to be fair, the first designers of TESO made very bad design. The Cyro will never work. You just cant have huge open world PVP map with hundreds of players as it is lagging even on up to date engines and super powerful hardware. All games today are not doing that. You can have big open world map with 3-4 teams up to 50 ppl and wait times and limited duration around 20 minutes maximum. But they designed neverending campaign for 400 people available 24/7 in ESO. These people should be kicked the very first day they released the Cyro idea. They nearly destroyed the whole game and the consequences are visible even after 10 years. This stupid idea cost millions of $$$$ just on hardware.
@@rofo2107 What part am I wrong about? You mentioned several different factors that are all at odds with one-another but didn't specify what it was that was wrong. Was it about cost cutting? There is zero incentive to re-write a massive engine from scratch when they are making money hand-over-fist as it is with what they have. Or was I wrong about people still playing games on such old engines? Considering people still play games much older, I think that argument can be dismissed right out of hand. Perhaps I was wrong about the game shifting into maintenance mode? Then why did you yourself suggest that the game was at its end of life? Maybe I'm wrong about them stumbling over the next project? I'll admit that could be. We'll have to wait and see with that one.
Mmos are dead. The new generation are into other genres.
Only because MMOs have been hot garbage for so long
Kkkkkk Oblivion best elder scrolls, you didnt play morrowind
Also love hearing Valheim music in videos. Thank you.
I love ESO though 😢😢😢😢
new world is such dogsht lmao i just started back on DAOC on the eden server where everyone actually plays and it’s stark how different a good game not in its prime compares to a game that was garbage to begin with
eso cinematic graphics 2024. eso real game graphics 1982
LOTRO is not going anywhere anytime soon and certainly not dead in 5 years.
Yes Amazon will drop a new LotR game but that doesn't automatically mean that people who have spend thousands of hours and (lot of) money will jump ship the second Amazon drops the New World re-skin.
I've been playing LOTRO for 10+ years and I don't want to quit, but as Standing Stone Games seems to have given up on it, I may well do so as well, especially as Amazon makes a new one.
Hey little one to break it to you dude but you need to go back and watch the developers diaries for the elder scrolls online because it was designed around single player with some elements of group play
Even if a new Star Wars MMO will drop SWTOR will still reign supreme, because it has voice dialogues and Sith and Jedi Classes.
I think elder scroll 6 will boost ESO instead of kill it.
Play them while you can, I guess. Luckily, I got to play, and enjoy, all of these. Certain franchises though will never fully die. Star Wars, Lord of the Ring etc, they will always be restarted. It's like a Batman or Spiderman movie series, they just get rebooted every 10 years. As you said though, private servers will always keep the games going, so if you enjoy it don't worry too much.
Bro how Ashes of creation will die in the next 5 years if it won't even be released is 5 years?
Moreover they are a team with a bit more than 100 people and 200 million dollar budget, unless they literally start burning the cash they will still be around in half a decade.
They are burning cash, it's called "Developing Ashes of Creation"
I can't wait till they start selling Merchandise as the next source of income.
AoC 2027, that's 3 years to release, there's no way in hell it's dead 2 years later.
Even if Steven dropped dead, the game would be around 10 years from now.
I won’t be buying the new ESO chapter .. the XBOX NA PvP community is shrinking not expanding, and it’s not any better on the PVE side with regard to finding decent players to build a progression team for trials. The game may end up like Eve … not dead but not thriving / progressing.
I highly doubt the elder scrolls six is going to kill the elder scrolls online you want to know why because Bethesda has embraced DEIESG for modern audience. Oh, and they’re part of Microsoft, so yeah, they’re going full woke
why is nobody angry about payin 15 bucks for eso premium plus payin 25ish bucks every 4-6 six months to new dlc? am i the only brokeazz player in this world?
Many games that are mmorpg's are meant to survive. But old games are going to get stale or boring for their content is not made correctly for many years. mmorpgs need skills to leveling that takes a year and so we have Runescape for about 30 skills. Each skill takes a year for 99 but could go for 200m exp. Would take about 25-50 years.
New World MMO is going to get rekted by Genshin when it released on consoles. Just take a look at Genshin's latest videos from their official channel. 1-2 million of views in just under 24 hours. They are not competing on the genre rather they are competing with your time and both games are kinda like played as a third-person single-player game anyway with.
Games like Guild wars 2 New World ESO Even Star wars the old republic all suffer from the same symptom imo
Each game after a certain point of time has abandoned their PvP player base in favor of focusing on PvE
Granted I like PvE And I can understand the attraction of it to an extent but if that was all I cared about I wouldnt go to an mmo for it Id stay in skyrim/oblivion..
All of these mmos like to tease the idea of PvP! when in reality its an afterthought its not fully supported by the devs...
And just like ESO Is coming up on its 5 year no pvp content release anniversary via the forums those damn near same lines are also used on the Guild wars 2 forums of 5 years no PvP content
Games like New world .. as fun as the combat is They still have the exact same OPR map they have had since launch ...
I think guild wars 2 is the game you can technically jump into the PvP the earliest on If i recall its like lv 10 and you can pick pvp gear
ESO ...Star wars the old republic and new world If you want to compete in PvP you have to PvE to an extent though old republic might be the lesser of those evils in that regard
New World have of those nifty shiny artifacts are locked away to expeditions a few drop from the PvP tracks but its a rng drop and anyone that has played New world knows how the *Luck* works on that game lol...
ESO this one is a no brainer every new chapter brings new meta sets from dungeons that everyone has to farm so they can cheese people In PvP same for the mythics lol
All of these companies refuse to truly invest in the PvP aspect of their games and its any wonder why it doesnt make them money If they put half the effort they invested into PvE into the PvP aspects of their game there could be potential
Easier to just invest In PvE and the game store though those are absolution lol...
At this rate someone will mod skyrim to have more engaging PvP then those other 4 games I named which would be quite the laugh and poetic imo.
@sawmanUK I noticed in 1 of your previous videos you commented on the PvP season for star wars old republic
While some PvP season is good ...Bioware got rid of ranked seasons to introduce those new ones and those new ones are catered to attracting Pvers but not to learn PvP they merely afk for the rewards you can literally lose your way thru those seasons and earn rewards
Some of those rewards are replica versions of previous items that were *Only* Obtainable In Ranked PvP and you had to place good/rank high to obtain them
Others you could earn via tokens but you *Had* to win your matches to earn the tokens instead now players can lose intentionally and earn them...
Now a Pver can come in afk in those matches earn similar tokens for the vendor where those replica items are obtainable aside from the text in the name there is no visible distinction between the replica version and the real deal
And all of those items that were once coveted as signs of accomplishment can be obtained by intentionally losing
you are wrong about lotro. that game has a few whales enough to keep it alive. they wont just leave their kingdom for a new one. they are invested. same with DDO. you are also wrong about eso and its solo friendly structure. rather its evolution to extraction rpg. mmos either have to shut down or become single player friendly at this point. look at the ones thatre thrivigin atm. osrs, solo friendly. warframe, solo friendly. albion, somewhat solo friendly with clan-guild possibilities. even wow is bleeding out while these games are gaining pop.
Crazy how these game devs across most games, think pvp players dont spend money
but it is true. On every server you will have like top 10-50 players able to kill anybody. And these top 50 players will not pay as much as 20,000 average PVE players who are very happy killing PVE mobs, but are super unhappy to be slaughtered by top 50 again and again and again.
You missed Star Trek online and DC universe online, btw ... ESO won't die in 5 years.
06:14 $40? Nah, that's 40+30x2 because expansions are a must and there are no discounts on old expansions lmao
I dont play ESO anymore. I put thousands of hours into it and it was my main mmorpg. It just became too formulaic. At the beginning, it had a lot of passion in the development, and there were new ideas being pushed through it. It just feels the same expansion after expansion.
true its, its sad tho as a elder scrolls fan specaly cause there hasnt been new elder scrolls game for a long time
Hoarcrux must be freed. But I had to agree with you. ESO will die anyways.
People call any game that isn't doing Fortnite numbers "dead" these days.
A dead game is a game that is no longer getting updates, or one that you literally can't even play anymore.
I stopped playing ESO around the time you left doggo, you wear the best part of my time in ESO. Your fault. for shame.
Problem is mmo developers don't know who to develop for and technology isn't there yet. Pve players dont like pvp and pvp players dont like pve. Focus on one or the other and make a good game.
Sorry not sorry I’m just not interested in team play but I like ever expanding games you can find in MMO’s. Love exploring and character building but loath team play as it limits me and I just don’t want to fit any specific role that teams get really angry about:) This I’m never going to play as a team member.
Thats so depressing how ur anti-social cuz u can really boost ur enjoyment of a MMORPG when playing with a fun group of players, ur really missing out.
@@MalcomMalediction Anti Social? Hardly I’m equally comfortable in groups of friends as I am completely alone. That said in traditional game play every player is usually expected to fill a role (I see it as a limitation) where I design my characters to be generalists. Thus they very often just don’t fit on one’s average team play and that causes others to get upset as they don’t see me doing enough DPS, Healing, Tanking, etc. I try to warn them that I’m just not that guy but still their expectations are often not met by my game play. It’s a bother I can do without I’m sure the same can be said for them as well. That’s why I’m willing to help if asked but I’m not looking for a permanent team. I’ve found when I’m just lending a hand in a pinch I get far less complaints for my game play and dare I say even gratitude on occasion…
As someone who's played ESO since 2014, I will confirm that ESO is practicly dead at this point. I myself only keep playing it because we don't have many better options atm, but I'm already established on ESO.
Wtf, how is eso dead? Are you high?
@@anacronrealz If you want to convince me that ESO is still thriving, don't just say "How is ESO dead?" but also include supporting evidence to back up your claim. And accusing me of being high on top of not providing supporting evidence doesn't really do much to make you look smart.
@@kermidiu4390 maybe there is a difference in perception. For you, a game not thriving means the game is dead. For other people a game is dead when no one plays it. And people definitely play ESO. I am an admin in an EU PVE/Social guild and we're constantly with 500 people in the in-game roster with the applications constantly being backed up despite the fact we have a 7-day offline kick policy. People are too active, there is no one to kick. 😂
@@supersonic_kitten I'm on PC NA. So that doesn't really apply to me.
@@kermidiu4390 lol
you are asking him to provide proof to his claim when you didnt to yours
Elder Scrolls Online is just as much of an 'Elder Scrolls' game as it is an online game, it is an elder scrolls game that just happens to be online more than it's an online game that just happens to be set in Tamriel
Will New World truly be dead if it is re-skinned into Amazon's new LOTR MMO? Also before Dragonflight's success WoW might have been considered for this list but things change.
I think the new lord of the rings mmo will do anything well its being developed by amazon i don't expect the new would be better than lotro.
Well, with ESO it is kinda a shit-reasoning. TES6 will affect the player count and might be the beginning of the end, sure.
What you're missing here is that the exact reason why this game WILL be alive for longer than expected is its "solo focused" gameplay.
Most MMOs die because of a very simple math: low player population = less accesible content for the existing players = even less new players because no one plays low level stuff. Everything else is fixable but you almost never get out of that spiral once it starts. Content, gameplay, monetizing....these are "minor issues" that contribute to that equation.
ESO, by moving away from the typical MMO formula, made it possible to almost completely ignore this problem. I can get back to this game after 2-3 years and be able to just "jump back into action" without issues. No need for radical re-equipment, reskilling, finding players that match my level etc. Game is literally designed to be as accesible to everyone at any point.
Also, the game is "succesful" mostly because it completely avoided going for the hardcore MMO player base. They were never competing with WoW or any other major title. Most players I've seen are people that just want to enjoy themselves, build something in their favourite world and be able to interact with similar minded people. They don't want to be forced to do that, like it happens in WoW (yes, to access most WoW features you are forced to be a part of the community and most people these days don't have time nor energy to do that).
I won't bet it will be around 10 years from now on, that would be a wishful thinking, with game getting more and more "overdone and overcooked". But 5 years? I don't see a reason just yet...
People still play Skyrim and mod scene is still very active. TES6 will actually sink all those players, who actually spend alot of money - solo, PVE, housing - and before all expansions and mods go out and assuming that the game will be as good as Skyrim, just with newgen graphics - there might be nothing left in ESO to comeback to...
@@mjlee8013It won’t „sink all those players” because those players are different groups for the most part.
TES6 will lure in 60-70% of modders and most of vanilla from Skyrim but ESO players are usually the ones that do know modding and Skyrim exist and yet, they still stay with ESO.
As I said - people who play ESO on the regular are usually care-free and dont want to be forced. Modding is a time sink and a source of instability for the game. ESO has just enough customization built in to be okay for the most players. So, TES6 would need to have at least that from the start.
Now, online features. A lot of these „solo players” actually want to share with others. Invite them over, fawn over someone elses design etc. These players will stay and they are the ones that often spend the most here.
Game will not grow, that much is obvious. But I won’t say it will be going dead unless Bethesda 100% decides to stop supporting it with new content.
An mmo should die after 5 years probably. Who cares its enough.
Over so many others… yeah, but which others? XD there isn’t exactly a lot of choice in the genre
It’s me I’m the person considering playing ESO as if it’s a singleplayer game
Zenimax has zero good will and whatever their new ip is, I'm not so sure it will be received well. Ashes is so vapourware.
I'm pretty sure Lotro will keep on chugging for a while yet.
Swtor 100% is dead only 500-800 people still play it. I am one of them 😢
Saying the elder scrolls 6 will kill eso is like saying Warcraft 4 will kill WoW.
Lotro is still getting lots of updates and expansions, yes it may be dying but it’s SLOWLY dying and has a cult following, it still has a few years~10 years. Amazon’s new lotr mmo may fail like New world because it might be all nice graphics but no substance.
LOTRO has been "dying" for years now... limping along with a small but dedicated fanbase. But I tell ya what... it is a wonderful thing. No, it's not for the hypebeast kids out there. It's slow, clunky and kind of a sprawling mess. Its systems and level of graphical fidelity are way behind the times. But it is still a gorgeous work of stunning beauty to life-long lovers of Tolkien's works, and I hope it stays up as long as possible. The degree of care and love with which most of the LOTR world (and, yes, some fanciful additions) was put together is unrivaled in terms of dedication to the source material. And even though it is graphically "outdated", it really does still look great in an old-school way. Especially when you visit places you've read and imagined about for decades.
God bless LOTRO.
The casual community and design around MMO's is what is killing them all slowly. The whole ''carebear'' approach is what makes true MMO lovers leave. That's why WoW classic and OSRS are probably the best MMOs cause they stick with their core audience. These games are meant to be SUPER competitive with a focus on character building and progression...fully converted to ARPG's personally because I feel like its just done better and really...there is more respect for the genre and less care for casuals and hand holding in ARPG's.
handholding is a virus infecting all genres. no one wants to put in time doing anything even professionally. its all about shortcuts and getting to the finish line as fast as possible and ignoring the journey.
hopefully wow..the content they have been putting out recently has been shite
Lol you were right about new world coming to consoles
ESO is one of the best MMOs on the market. They constantly add new content, zones, mechanics, classes, etc. Bro, are you drunk?
Constantly 🙈
NW Devs: No real PvP content since launch and only come out with PvE content.
Also NW Devs: “Most of our player base are PvE focused…”
they're right the remaining 10k they have are pve focused. they just forgot about the 900k they lost along the way.
@@Zulgen123thinking 900k people left because of mythical pvp is beyond trolling
@@_mend4mad_11 cry
@@Zulgen123invest into trolling school
@@_mend4mad_11 🤡
Fallout 76 won't be around for another 2 years I bet.
mmos are a dead genre in general, being kept somewhat alive thanks to fomo and nostalgia
You think AGS gambling on console players to buy a 3 year old MMO with no end game and low population while being a testing ground for LoTR is going to work? I think console players are starving for a good MMO not something that's a steaming pile of sh*t.
Watch it thrive on console. You are missing the key point here. It’s going to launch in a working state and there are no other decent mmos on console
@@sawmanUKNew World is more decent to you than ESO? Ok, dude 😂
rage bait content, eso literally getting expansions still kiddo, its alive and well and profitable. its phased down but literally none of your criteria standards you yourself put out was met . "there's so many other mmos you could play!" yeah what? looked at your slow laggy website, checked your "tier list" you have a lost ark clone as "S tier most hyped mmo coming out soon!" lol, nah bro. nah. you reek of fotm mmo hopper who doesnt actually legitimately play a single mmo
Laggy? Buddy just improve your peasant internet speed 😹 I’m not going to take advice from an eso main , so cringe
Even if it was a new Star Wars, MMO, you can blame Disney for why they would be no hype around it. Everybody’s in apathy for Star Wars. Now no one cares about it anymore. Are you just say brain dead you don’t pay attention online
Speak for yourself.
This makes me glad that I passed on New World.
mortal online 2 is gonna die soon
It won’t die , just go to space 🚀
Eso has made 2 billion in 10 yrs theres no way this will close in 5 yrs
My main MMO were Age of Conan and The Secret World
You just lost a follower
If ESO doesn't wake up and make some earnable cosmetics/mounts obtainable via in game achievements then yeah, for sure it's gonna die. I mean it's absolutely pathetic that a high end player that went through hell and back has the appearance of a beggar in terms of cosmetics while a lvl 50 gigachad drops 5 grand in the game and looks cool. Bad implementation and also there's gambling, been buying them crates since 2019 and never ever I've gotten a radiant mount or even a polymorph. Even with the new server upgrade, went in Cyro to test some new gear and skills didn't even fire, just stood there like a brick waiting to be executed. Game just wants your money, nothing else.
They should have scrapped it and made another game with better combat and mechanics
Well i guess im gonna play kestrel when ill have kids
eso had been going on for 10 yrs with around 20 thousand + active on steam but apparently it will die somehow
10 years with a forever diminishing player base due to lack of end game and incentives. Enjoy it whilst you can 👍
"Do you really think players want to play a game using a 15 year old engine!"
Final Fantasy XIV: 10yo engine
OSRS: 22yo engine
WoW: 20yo engine
Considering the three most played MMOs, all have very old engines, ya I think people do. If nothing else the was simply an objectively incorrect and terrible take.
And I can name 20 graphically dated mmos that died. You are also missing the key point that the game has many , many bugs. Also when did I say 25 year old engine , the games been out 10 years , and I’m talking 5 years from now.
@@sawmanUK It was a typo. You said 15yo engine. Ya and the engines age clearly doesn't matter in the end. WoW graphically and mechanically is more dated than ESO and others and it's the most popular MMO on earth. People do not care that much about the games engine being new. If it was a deciding factor the top 3 wouldn't be some of the oldest and clunkiest engine of all the games out atm. Buddy I'd just take the L on this, it was a bad point especially considering WoW and Runecape run on a over 20 year old engine. No one care how old or dated an engine if it's fun. Your letting pride leak into this.
whoever said gw2 is dead is delusional af
ZOS will be doing a star wars mmo. Wait and see
Just here for moral support and the comments
Dead like billy kimbers nan
Dscussion content is fine as well, i like it
What do you think the new ZeniMax MMO is, if not Star Wars?
There’s been a few Twitter leaks , none of them have said Star Wars , which I think would be the first thing to leak
@@sawmanUK fair enough. I guess what I meant to ask was: do you have any ideas/suspicions what it could be?
NEW WORLD seems like it was one of those Google technological experiments that are good but they close after some time, like Stadia. I know it is not from Google, but Amazon looks to behave that way too.
I believe TESO will live if Elder Scrolls 6 flops. If ES6 success, I might take away all the solo players. The base player is pretty loyal to the Elder Scrolls franchise, more than being a good or bad MMO. A favor note for TESO is that, along GW2, are the only two MMO that you can really play for free when you start and continue playing with a low money investment.
Similar to TESO goes with SWTOR, although I would say that STWOR is already in a semi-maintenance mode.
It sad about New World because the game has this high quality to it, but at the same time there is a lot to hate.
SWTOR is a very good game in my opinion and can use some love, and it will probably die since Broadsword took it over.
ESO I only enjoyed the MAGCRO build, and thought every other class and build were underwhelming.
LoL just two months and new world is dead