I'd love to read your opinion about Bretman Rock! p.s. I'm tired of arguing with Bretman fans who can't accept the fact that you CAN be a FAN of someone and constructively criticise them especially when it's a big factor that brought them fame. Trust me, if I really wanted to "cancel" Bretman I wouldn't even bother giving him a whole intro and provide all the different perspectives... *Steal the BLACK FRIDAY deal and get Atlas VPN for $1.70/mo + 6 months extra. Limited-time offer! 📱➡ atlasv.pn/IbrahimKamit
Bretman seems like a chill guy, ( pass his controversies ) however I feel like his rise to fame says A LOT about society, Black women have been using these slang & mannerisms for DECADES and they get called “ghetto” or “typical” for it. But soon when someone who’s non-AA does it they go viral. I don’t think bretman’s intentions was to mock black people, however this needs to be addressed.
@@FooMoon_55 this video is a DEEP DIVE into Bretman and his rise to success. Prior to making this video I had no idea about the controversies and i wasn’t even sure about discussing the criticism until I really took the time to understand why it matters. Trust me, if I wanted to portray him as problematic and “cancel” him I would’ve just ignored all the different perspectives, context and I wouldn’t even bother taking the time to give him an introduction. I could’ve just taken out the criticism for this video but I didn’t want to be biased especially when it’s the factor that brought him fame. Constructive criticism doesn’t equate to defamation.
@@FooMoon_55 😂 you’ve got to be kidding me. I can’t believe I have to clarify this. Firstly, yes I said MAY but STRICTLY within the context of anti-black beliefs related to colourism and colonialism. Colourism is a big issue in the Philippines and so it is appropriate to say he MAY have had those anti-black beliefs from a young age WITHOUT realising it or properly understanding it. This applies to anyone who grew up in a country that normalises anti-blackness. If you didn’t ignore my context and perspectives you’d understand that I never implied he was actively trying to be racist and anti-black.
Hi this is an excelente video, the same thing happen in latino countries, they mock black people and black latino culture, despite being the reason latinos have this kind of music, dances, traditions, and gastronomy, so many countries benefit from black people and is what made their countries, but the ignorance in this places and the hate to believe their culture belong some times more to the blacks they just never accept it , thanks for this and just like latinos copy everything from here I hope they copy this kind of video if the hate for the darks aint that much and they make something about this issue there, cause its being happening the same . take care, Saludos from Ecuador :)
as a black person, i appreciated the way you dissected the controversy by pointing out how Bretman is not entirely to blame but rather that gay men in Harlem once upon time assimilated the black woman’s mannerisms. this has created a standard on how the feminine gay man (regardless of skin tone) should act and has brainwashed a lot of young gay men into assimilating this character-build instead of being themselves. this obviously is not every single feminine gay man’s reality but rather a large majority. the controversy is understood and bretman assimilating the “angry black woman” is disappointing and cringeworthy but I don’t think he knew what he was doing; he was a teenager. I would like to think that he knows better now as I think we can all agree that Bretman is not the Bretman we knew in 2017. but anyways, great job Ibrahim, you always deliver.
"i don't think he knew what he was doing, he was a teenager", so did everyone have a racist phase? & is it suddenly *normal* not to know what racism is & to be racist as a teenager? Cause I didn't have that "teenage racist phase". Not everyone is dumb.
@@arisboba you clearly misunderstood what I was saying, a reminder that our brains only fully develop when we’re 25-28. and I’m from South Africa, a country with a very huge amount of racism DAILY we give people grace to evolve and don’t cancel them because they were once ignorant, I wish Americans would extend that same grace to the people who have actively worked at rectifying their past transgressions and problematic mindsets.
I never looked at it that way, I always grew up thinking it was gay lingo, especially with shows like rupauls perpetually bringing it into the media. but now realize it all traces back from AAVE and a lot of these celebrities are still doing it out if ignorance rather than harmful intent. I still don’t think it’s OK & I can’t even say I’m not guilty of using AAVE at one point in my life either. Thanks for making this video, very informative and more people need to be aware of this phenomenon.
I don't think using aave is that wrong tbh. I'm a foreigner and English is my second language, I learned it through the internet so I'm constantly learning new slangs, and lately aave has been used to much, I've been using it daily without the intent of being racist. My other friends who also aren't Americans or other English speaking ethnicities do it as well. We generally speak normal English with certain phrases such as "it do be like dat sometime" or "ain't" since they're part of the meme culture. As long as we're mindful of these types of dialects, there's no reason to not use them. And sadly, it's just that every once in a while there's people who'll use it without knowing where it's from, and make money out of it since it's trendy
@@sin3358YOU think there’s nothing wrong with it, but I guarantee you it makes most black people around you feel uncomfortable to hear you say those phrases. Feels like a mockery
As a black gay man I think It's so horrible that other races have to put on a black alter ego to be Fearless, Strong, Funny, Sexy, Stylish, Cool etc. While we are mocked,devalued dehumanized, and murdered for it.
sorry for that, really but some people are like that without even trying to imitating black people. I know my friends who talks like brettman but it's just his personality, and by no means to harm anyone or any cultures, it's really depend on the person Ig
As a black woman living my whole life in Europe I realized that it doesn’t matter where you live or where you’re from. No one, no non black person will know what it is like to be a black woman. We are all treated the same by our own and by everyone else in this world. So the fact that some gay men in consciously impersonate black women who are considered to be anything but a woman, and being celebrated for it whereas we are everyday constantly mocked and reduced for being ourselves is hypocritical.
I have to disgagree and i don´t like how people generalize Europe like it´s a county. I can only speak from my experience living in Germany and of course in some way we get treated the same way but not really. from what i have experience is that people in Germany aren´t aware of the fact that colorism exist and maybe the defeminization of black women due to the steorytype but not really how it is in the usa
as a black woman who lives in hawaii i can say that it is common here for locals to participate in black culture while being racist and unwelcoming to actual black people. yes, some locals do speak in pidgin but it doesn’t sound mistakingly similar to a blaccent. there is a difference. i also can’t count how many times i’ve heard non-black locals use the n word a and er. i will say tho, i’ve only seen that from the younger generation. the more mature locals welcome and embrace everyone as long as you respect the island.
Young people sometimes disgust me. My culture is very racist towards anyone who's not white, but I expect that of the older people, because they've been living like this for years, and only recently there's been more black people coming to live in my country, making it more mixed culturally. It's still easy to ignore the elderly people however, since as I said, they're old and dying either way, so who cares about what they say when they're just cuddled inside their houses majority of the time and don't even go out to see enough black people to be racist towards. However, I know so many young people, boys especially, that use the n word just because it's part of the "meme" culture, and excuse it by saying "there's no black people around us, and we're not calling them the n word, we are simply calling each other that as friends, the same way gay people call each other fags" which reminds me, they use a load of other words such as the "r" word and fag. I'll let you know I'm pansexual, which is why I wrote it fully. It's really disturbing that joking around without a care is more important than staying respectful. I'm really disturbed by these people
I know a couple people from college who are from Hawaii/live there when not at college (we all went to school in CA) and this one guy specifically claims to loveeeee black culture and black people but never once have I seen him support them, speak out against the injustices they face and like always claims that he’s not racist but his behavior doesn’t add up and I’ve called him out on it just for him to be like “but you don’t understand Hawaii is like actually so accepting like *insert black friends names* would be celebrated there!” And im like bro … not the point ??? so I gave up on trying to get through to him
I'm so happy you appreciate the video :) i did not expect to explore the intersections of gender, sexuality, and race when I started scripting this video but I'm actually glad that I did because I learnt a bunch of new things!
Me personally, i could never really get into the whole Bretman train. I always found him tooo over the top, to the point where it seems like he's putting on a show as a character. Like, he kinda comes across as rude, but the comments make it seems like 'oh, that's his personality'. Like, if he wasn't big on RUclips, and was just a normal person with his personality. I guarantee you, most people would find him annoying.
I followed Bretman briefly years ago and that’s ultimately what caused me to not follow him. If Bretman was a person I met in real life, I wouldn’t speak to him because of his blaccent.
Kooler man, He would not have blown up on youtube if it wasn't for his PERSONALITY..... His PERSONALITY is what made people like him....what u are saying is utterly incorrigible and is depraved of any sense, at fugggin all, it is like saying if spicy noodles are not spicy no one would eat it.... Do you understand what iam saying here.
Basically Filipino(naturally born in PH) gay men have the same mannerisms as bretman rock. And based off my observations their humour or even their mannerisms would be very deemed "offensive" in the US centric kind of view. People do not know that Majority of the Filipino gay men contributed to the fashion and beauty industry in the Philippines.
Yea but where are they getting the personality from? Black Americans, that's why it is offensive stop erasing black people from their culture because you can't admit to the inherent anti-blackness of mimicking black people to then turn around and shout them down and demean them.
I live in the Philippines and I can tell you, 90% of the gay people I know personally have this gay persona similar to Bretman, specifically those around the same age as him or even older. I know it doesn't make it okay for the people who have been offended but I think the problem lies more so on the origins of his culture as a gay man and our culture as filipinos in general.
It’s a chain reaction. Bretman (a Filipino American) with a global audience, takes AAVE from the black people in America and spreading it to other countries without considering the harm it does to the black American community
I think it is also worth noting that Asian Americans (most of whom immigrated to America) has been a fast growing demographic with little to no REPRESENTATION in pop culture. We’re either nerds or sidekicks. Always desexualized. So Asians (imo) who pick up Black Culture do it as a way to differentiate themselves from White Culture without truly giving up their limited benefits assimilating into White Society. This is an issue of establishing authentic Asian American experiences, a space that is wholly different from Black and White Culture, but nonetheless American in and out. That is something that we need to work on, but I definitely see the irony of racism between Asian and Black people, despite their obvious ties that lend well to racial solidarity.
There is a great op-Ed that discusses the deficit of authentic Asian Americans in popular culture, despite our long and storied history. I urge everyone to at least consider and empathize our perspective; obviously Rock was not right exploiting AAVE for fame and success, but hopefully we can have deeper discussions as to WHY Asians have to adopt a culture that is separate from their own in order to assimilate. That is my own humble opinion
Thank you so much for your take on this! I didn’t briefly read about this when researching this and it was such an interesting take that I’d love to look into. Might just do a deep dive on that for another video.
Exactly this. It's the same with Peter Parker's friend, the token Asian American (obviously Filipino) guy named Ned in the latest Spider Man films. He's the comedic relief and the sidekick. I guarantee that his outfit is similar to how Asian American people in the US are dressed up.
Thank you for adding to the conversation about how people of other races use people like me and our mannerisms like a costume they can wash off when they go back home to their regular lives
I always think about the same thing when it comes to Lily Singh and Liza Koshy. I used to think that all Americans talk like that when I was young and then I realised otherwise.
@@dahjiat.8562 Bro fuck off with your shitttt. I'm tired of you "America is a continent" people. When you say "American" you're talking about people from the US, point blank period. "North American" and "South American" refer to people from the continents. That's just how it is with the language, don't fuck and kerfuffle shit up.
Hey, I appreciate this. But, as a person who studies Black history and culture as a Black American, there are some things you should correct in the future: 1) A blaccent is a caricaturization of AAVE, not the replication/imitation of said sub-language. It is offensive, not because it’s the way we speak -- but rather because people believe we speak like this, because many Black/AfroLatine individuals portray some form of these attributes. Example, Cardi B (Afro-Latine) is not always the loud, rambunctious person we see on tv. She doesn't speak at that caliber all of the time, it is a part of her personality -- but it is not all of who she is as an individual. The issue with Blaccents is that it takes a small persona that many Black/Afro Latine individuals have and caricaturing it in a derogatory way. 2) The first drag show ever done was by a Black man, previously enslaved, by the name of Swann in 1888 -- he is seen as the forefather of the ballroom scene. 3) Asian-American people have a history of disassociating with Black people while absorbing our culture and shifting it to something more palatable for White and Asian audiences. That is our problem with the AA/PI community, when it comes to the "appreciation" of our culture. Many of our social leaders have said countless times that what is being done is not seen as appreciation but rather culture vulture mentality with a twist of asian-washing. Great examples would be Kpop stars rapping and using the n-word, Nikita Dragon, and so many more. A great example of this issue is someone White using dandere personality and dressing up in lolita fashion and calling it appreciation of Japanese culture. Anime is a small part of Japanese culture, as there are thousands of years of music, dance, literature and more that better represent that culture. This is what White and Brown people are doing with Black American culture. You [plural] are romanticizing our culture while disrespecting our existence. I have yet to see Jay Park or Bretman Rock say anything about Black social issues or try to hire Black team members and highlight Black talent. There is no intention of trying to connect with the people you are milking from. Also, there is a voluntary ignorance that is similar to White racist behaviors being replicated. We are in the age of the internet, anyone can look up info about Black culture and appropriation. Everyone has knowledge at their fingers, it is your choice to learn or stick to solely what you believe is right without understanding the morality and values of others. 4) I understand that we are judging him and others from a modern lense -- as we judge older comic s for making racist and homophobic jokes [which were well received back then], but there needs to be accountability. Accountability is not existing in guilt because that is useless to the people you hurt and self-serving, because it forces others to coddle you. Accountability is recognizing that the world has changed, and your actions did not age well, so improve your actions now and teach people like you how they can take accountability. That is what I and my people want -- accountability and action. Bretman Rock can start by talking to his "best friend" Nikita Dragon and explaining to her how she needs to be held accountable for her continuous racist actions. Yeah, I know this is a lot -- but I had to get this off of my chest.
woah I really like the way you explained accountability here - really well put. And god, totally agree abt people like Jay Park, that man is just so foul 💀
As people living outside of the US we are often marketed hip hop culture as black American culture. I'm black yes but I'm obviously not black American but Zulu so I have my own culture and sometimes I wonder if non black Americans can also misappropriate and miss represent your culture? Because I see it all the time and have only now realized that even we as non American blacks do take on the blackcent and some people will dress in the stereotypical hip hop clothing but because we are black we don't get called out on it🤔 But it's still misrepresenting the culture and actually "secondarily" misrepresenting it to other races in our own country? Just my thoughts
I'm a Filipino. I don't think and never thought that Bretman's unintentionally doing a Blaccent. Many gays here acts sassy with loud personalities like Bretman. Filipino gays (some) never use English language but acts like Bret. Bret acts like them but just talks IN ENGLISH. I was not even shocked when I first saw him because I was surrounded with gays like him.
@@willianalee6336not everything is from black culture. fun fact: hawaiians are a smaller minority than black people by millions and this persona bretman is known for is what we call “titah” in hawaii.
@@willianalee6336 since when? bretman grew up in the Philippines. This personality has been in existence for decades in the Philippines, which just got noticed because of the internet. Not everything is from black culture/America. This way of speaking is to sound hyper-feminine, and not to mimic black women.
@@bunny_god but he gets a lot of his persona from black people. hence the aave discourse like it’s QUEER BLACK CULTURE. if he didn’t this wouldn’t even be a huge discussion like don’t be dense 😭 i’m not belittling your POV but in the context of bretman rock specially, he has profited off using black culture (aave) heavily in his “character”
No matter how many times I see clips of some of those black face skits they will never cease to disgust me. The saddest part is that they are the orgins of so many horrid stereotypes today
I'm here with you on that... it was so heartbreaking to watch those clips when I was researching for this video. I can't imagine how that was so normalised back then.
And you did a phenomenal job of being fair in presenting the facts all while being sympathetic to black culture. You didn't attack or tear Bret down but you didn't let him get way with it either. Expertly done! 👑👍🏼
love this commentary!!! you said it - "gay culture took INSPIRATION from black women" and repackaged it to be gay AND black women. Phillipines are also the darker asains and there are a lot of japanese in hawaii and colorism is everywhere. As a 15 year old child he is not to blame and is not the same as a grown man painting his face black. Id even say darker skin ppl are often adultified at a young age
The thing is gay culture started with black transwomen and black gay men. I can’t tell if your including black transwomen when you say black women in general? Also I can’t imagine cis black women saying werk,hunty,cunt, etc. etc. back in the 1960s when this way of speaking was just developing.
@@Almond.stars666 personally as a Black person with a lot of Black matriarchs in my family spanning generations, I’d implore you to think that the Gay and Trans women who popularized these movements got their isms and lexicon from their mothers/aunts/sisters. My elders have BEEN talking like that and it wasn’t an influence from gay culture, that’s just how they communicated. They got it from their families, that’s how they were socialized and they just made it pretty and cool in the stratosphere
@@Almond.stars666 many of the slang terms did in fact come from black cis women. I mean even in recent history when “on fleek” was a thing it was created by a black cis woman. The mannerisms and stereotypes are also based in cis black women.
A lot of black stereotypes are unfortunately ingrained into society, that's why we see them perpetuated by both non-black and black people alike. The solution to this would be actually teaching people real history in school and not the whitewashed, watered-down and simply poorly thought out history syllabus. Not trying to take away any accountability from Bretman, but even as a black African woman I had to unlearn so many stereotypes about my own people and African Americans alike. We have a huge problem globally and it's so disheartening.
That’s how gay men in the Philippines act. It has nothing to do with mimicking black women. In fact, a lot of women who are sassy, funny, loud are called “babaeng bakla” (gay woman) and usually these women are friends with gays. Filipinos are loud people in general; it’s in our culture. And sassiness as a way of joking too. This is not just in the Philippines, but also in Indonesia and other SEAsian countries as well. Before the funny tiktok comments, SEAsians have been joking that way for many years, just not in english. It’s not blaccent, it’s the way gays talk to sound feminine. The use of AAVE though, which is new to us (because of the internet) is another matter, and Filipinos have been calling that out. Bretman apologized for his past behavior if my memory serves me right. In precolonial Philippines, we have what we call babaylan (priestess) who could be a woman or a man who dresses, acts, talks, and lives like a woman. They would even sleep with other men. So the modern term “trans” or “trans woman” is not new to us. During WWII, (im gonna use the new term trans) many trans women became sex slaves of the Japanese soldiers. There were even movies made about it, which were starred by Dennis Trillo and the other by Dolphy (among the biggest stars of their generation). And then there’s this celebrity named Ruffa Mae Quinto (a “babaeng bakla”) whose real (and reel) personality is similar to Bretman Rock’s. This is her: ruclips.net/video/H-fZj5yWERM/видео.html Not everything is from America.
Thats the thing though, Bretman is Filipino but he has never lived in the Philippines, he lived in Hawaii and America for majority of his life, so how will he act like those filipino gays if he himself has never been there? it makes more sense for him to mimick black women / black culture since theyre the ones he’s around with.
@@bussy_baby He lived here for 7 years. While he lived most of his life in the US, he still has memories and has a strong connection with the Philippines. He knows what’s happening here (even politics!) and probably watches TFC (The Filipino Channel) growing up. It’s not uncommon for 1st gen Filipino-Americans to watch Philippine shows in the US. I recall him replying to a Fil-Am (who commented on his tiktok video of a Filipino viral challenge, “I’m Filipino but I don’t understand/know this”) that he pities her for not growing up in the Philippines. People from Hawaii also have their own culture (based from the comments of Hawaiians here). Black women don’t own the way gay people speak. Feminine gays all over the world speak (and act) like Bretman does. It’s not blaccent.
@@chancestaken Thats great to know and all but he has literally said the n word many times and even dressed as a black woman during a party, wearing an afro and hoop earrings, i think its pretty obvious who he talks and acts like.
@@bussy_baby wow that was addressed so long ago. It looks like when you committed a mistake pertaining to black culture you can never go back.. Its like not allowing people to have character development..
Yes! I’ve always been curious about how people felt about the way he speaks. I didn’t wanna claim anything though because obviously not every Afro-American talks like that.
In my opinion, while his accent might be offensive, this is how languages change throughout history. Certain ways of speaking (accents, slang, vocab) all change throughout time. While it may be frustrating and controversial, language WILL change based on what society deems "popular." I am not defending Brettman, however, I am making an observation from a linguistic POV. While some could argue that it is cultural appropriation, it could also be the natural acceptance of the African American Dialect and shift in culture that is both controversial and maddening to some, but totally natural in the world of language.
I don’t think anyone here challenges that but like you said it is frustrating because of the double standard that is handed out. Our language is being accepted but we ourselves are still dealing with the bigotry that comes attached to that same language. When white or Asian people do blackcent, it’s cute, edgy and cool but we do it’s just ghetto. It does nothing but reinforce just how hated we are as a community..
@@rosabscura not really true tbh. If a white person does an imitation of a black accent, I'm pretty sure they'll be attacked in no time. This idea of "yall accept what we do but not us" is very flawed. Look around you, times are changing. I'm not saying black people don't face racism ofc they do. But you're making it far more worse. The few racist people don't compare to all those numerous other people supporting black people. And by no means I want to say that "you have it easy". I still see the news, I still watch the crimes against people based on race. But I'd still say, it's far better than it was centuries ago. Kinda a victim mentality to say how "hated we are as a community", it's just not true.
Thank you so much for this breakdown. Very comprehensive. I am a black South African, so I am not very familiar with the nuanced ways racism has emerged in America. I am learning a lot. We, black non-Americans, do adopt some of these practices without knowing how harmful it is to black Americans, simply because it is what is on trend. Education is important and you are educating us very well
This comment section is genuinely disappointing. Ibrahim really did a well made video but y'all only reaction is "nah he's my fav" or start being dismissive about real issues affecting people in America. Influencers don't need to be canceled for us to acknowledge when something is wrong. Also you do not need to be a part of a specific culture and ethnicity to understand their history. Thank you for this video, I learned a lot !
Thank you so much for your comment! I totally agree with what you have to say about the accountability. It's about learning from those mistakes and growing.
Idk you need to chop off a toe or something if you have so little struggle in life, that the little fag speaking a certain way is causing you emotional distress. Like actually touch grass and seek guidance and help.
I'll be completely honest, I didn't know what to expect going into this. And I have a lot of mixed feelings with this video. So lemme just dump everything on here real quick. I was born, raised, and live Hawaii, and I'm half Filipino. I grew up and worked with Filipinos over the years. Filipinos can be (admittedly) very loud and maybe even dramatic sometimes, both young and old. Over here some people talk in Hawaiian pidgin which started around the 19 century by sugarcane laborers who spoke English, Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, and/or Hawaiian. It was a way for them to communicate with one another. It's similar to AAVE. The reason I'm conflicted by all this is because that's how a lot of people talk in Hawaii. It's honestly so hard to explain it cause I don't speak pidgin as often as most people do so maybe someone can explain it better. The thing is, language is constantly changing no matter what. Now obviously I'm not condoning people to use a certain language to just mock a certain race and there are some derogatory/offensive words that should not be said. But I do think we need to not only educate but also do some research before jumping to conclusions about certain things. Know the history of where the language came from. I'm sorry I know this might offend some people, but I think it's a little weird to gatekeep a language or the way a person speaks? Especially if they're not doing it out of malicious intent but rather they just think it's a "cool" thing to say? If they are ignorant about where it came from, to just kindly educate them. Idk...I think it's important to share cultures? Idk...this whole this is a little weird tbh and I'll admit, I'm a little uneducated when it comes to these types of topics. Idk like I've said, I have a lot of mixed feelings and I did not intend to offend anyone with my comment.
Thank you so much for taking your time to share this! I really appreciate your take on this. I'm so disappointed at myself I don't why I didn't dig deep into Hawaiian Pidgin for this video. I did briefly read a comment about that but I didn't think to research further so thank you for what you've provided. As for your take on adopting other cultures and languages, I definitely agree with you when you same we should kindly educate instead of calling others out aggressively. I also agree that we shouldn't just assume that when someone adopts another culture/language, it is done out of of malicious intent. I'm very curious to know what other people have to say about this too.
@@ibrahimkamityoutube It's okay! Hawaii in a way is like it's own little country when compared to the mainland. It's just a huge melting pot of so many different cultures coming together and creating a unique one. Not a lot of people know much about it unless they've actually lived here. It's a little different here culture-wise, but we're just like any other state.
You have the internet at your finger tips why should I educate you? Sharing cultures can also be very harmful as we are seeing, people who use AAVE are literally told they don’t know how to talk and corrected or ignored, in certain situations people die or are just not helped because people don’t know what they need or are asking for so people just playing around and only using it on the internet and then still cannot actually use it right is not a good thing… so what you think it’s cool you can like it from a distance and not try it on like it’s a costume but not dare speak like that in a moment it matters.
I might be reading this wrong but Pidgin and AAVE/Blaccent are still VERRRY different and unalike. Different tonality and different vocab altogether. You said that "its similar to AAVE" but its really not Edit: and C'mon....your not gonna convince me that Hawaiians wouldnt be offended if Haole's started gaining money and fame from suddenly popularizing Pidgin.
@@allthegirlgroups2977 I just meant similar as in the history and why it was created. But yea you're right. Even some of the locals here cringe when Haole's try to speak pidgin
Was going in with a lowkey biased mind because of bretman but i actually learned a lot and it's not an attack on just bretman but just the whole society. As a european this internalized racism of copying the language of black people isn't really as much of a part of my history so i definitely learned a lot, especially in connection with "gay slang" now becoming more popular all over the world. Keep going!
Thank you Ibrahim Kamit for breaking down the blackcent and the use of AAVE in your video as well providing context and some history! Thank you so much for the video overall on Bretman Rock! Love your videos!!!!
Woow so well organized and explained! I love all of your video essays...I once picked some points from a video of yours for my declamation contest and I won🤌😭♥️. Anyways thanks for making such good content keep going✨
As a fellow Filipino who has seen many Filipino gays here in the Philippines growing up, I really don’t understand what’s wrong with the way he speaks. Like you, I didn’t know this was a controversy. That last thing you mentioned, I believe it really is just that. He just picks up on the things he sees like every kid growing up normally would. Hopefully this controversy will help him become more conscious about how he speaks because people are actually getting offended. 🤷♀️ * I dare those offended people to live here in the Philippines. Sooner or later they’ll realize that gays here have that sass! Not “black-sass” (tf is that even), not cultural-appropriation-sass, but natural sass! It’s in their blood!
The use of AAVE can actually be such a weirdly tense discussion when it comes up. Explaining it's intricacies, how it rose up as our "generational slang" due to the internet and other forms of media's presentation of it makes me sound like I'm reaching, but I feel like it's been pretty clear how certain patterns of speech are from certain communities based on sentence structure, words separate from traditional English, and often times tone and delivery. It's definitely stereotypical to say so, but you'd be erasing the fact that it IS a part of the African American community if you claim it untrue. There are stereotypes for a reason, but they're not meant to be used for harm. It's an acknowledgement of a very generalized idea of people that has roots of truths and untruths. I actually like Bretman, but one can still acknowledge his use of it, criticize and still be a fan. Personally, just like with the general populace growing up with the internet, he took this blaccent and AAVE thinking it's okay because everyone else is doing it, so it should be fine without any other consideration of what these things entail. It's not a good thing, but these nuances that people don't typically experience themselves is something they have to learn and process in time once it's brought to attention. ... I can't TL;DR this lol. Sorry 🥲.
you do Have a point and this show how weird people take up theses slang and accent when they don’t come from theses area (with mostly black people, or in América). And how they dismisses Where it comes from and pretend its not that deep. Billie eilish, the Kpop idols talking with a blaccent when they learn english without coming from a black community , and mostly get american white teachers to learn or like the tweets white kids use and do weird and bad AAVE. Or non black kids saying Chile is a meme when its AAVE. They just pick up an accent. Its true that growing in suburb or the hood u take the lamguage. Idk for Bretman, We don’t really know his entourage but Its still weird. They say its internet culture (Not bretman but influencers or kids on TikTok) while being antiblack and say its not that deep when real black people in real black area can be looked down for speaking it.
Me, a Filipino, hearing this accent used my entire life from fellow gay Filipinos- (yes even impoverished folks who's never been exposed to western stuff) Idk man, sometimes I think people overthink these kinda "problems" which is kinda funny in my 3rd world perspective but hey, life would be boring without these I guess.
Definitely. Americans are so bored that they have to create controversy in their heads. That’s why the US has the worst stats for mental health illnesses.
Yall did not just talk like that without some kind of exposure, that's a full on lie. Whether is black shows, music, or black people themselves or vicariously through queer culture who also took it from black people, they too did not get it from nowhere. You are not black, but yet feel comfortable speaking on black dialect and culture. So then it's time for black people to start acting like Asian stereotypes with horrible accents and making millions off of it then? Only fair right?
@@al3x4.07 how tf is it a persona used to mock black people if that’s just the way they speak??? It can’t be unintentional if they’re not even mocking anyone. It’s just the way they talk. I know Chinese people who talk very similarly it just happens to be how they sound once they learn English especially if they’re constantly around people who talk that way. Stop the madness like seriously. There’s so many other important things you should be upset about like the way the government pimps the hell out of everyone
FYI america there is a whole other world outside your country. Where people don't pretend to be black or have something called blaccent we literally learn what we hear from TV and the things we like. So really chill
You literally just admitted to learning how to talk like black people from black media on TV while simultaneously telling black Americans basically they're being overdramatic for people imitating them and making millions off of something that gets them horrific racism in their own home towns, how do you not see the problem you just admitted to it?
@aes anonymous the things that work in the US and how you view things. The world doesn't see it like this we don't take race the way u do ur all hyper fixated on labels
As someone who lives in the Philippines I keep realizing how much of black culture I've enculturated/learned while ironically the Philippines is also anti-black/colorists country like Korea and ironically also Korea calls Filipinos and a bunch of other countries in asia as Monkey/Jungle Asians. Thank you for ur informative video hopefully ill continue to learn and respect each culture I've enculturated like black, latine, and so much more since Philippines is one of the clusterf*cks of culture. i mean that in a pos way possible.
Thank you for being honest other commenters are saying they never consumed black content in the Philippines, but somehow just magically talk like a group of people they never even met until the immigrated across the globe. The foolishness and anti-blackness is astounding.
@@aesanonymous8936 Even if we did, it's not to the extent of knowing the niches of Black culture. Music is the most accessible to Filipinos, so it makes more sense for us to consume music by Black artists. Denying that this sass is not Filipino is just you being fucking ignorant. It's so freaking exhausting to educate you guys and hilarious AT THE SAME TIME because you DEMAND us to understand your culture but YOU CAN'T EVEN DO IT YOURSELVES. Time to look in the mirror.
@idle lurker Pleae point to where I said anything about his sass? You won't be able to, but please do try! Let me say it for you once AGAIN. It's the accent and vernacular they are imitating that is not from the outside of North american black communities, but I can't expect people who peaked in middle school to have reading comprehension. Get a life and stop trying to be black people you obsessed weirdo. Black people ain't trying to imitate Filipinos, so what are they not understanding or disrespecting? Also, way to prove my point yall consume black content, but it kills you to admit that yall are imitating the black content you consume just like white people here in America. But please tell us where words like slay, period, okurr, chile, and finna come from then?
@@aesanonymous8936 I didn't say you said anything about sass specifically. Just making his aura AND accent as an example. Come back and talk to me when you have seen a group of Filipino gay men converse. And when I say Filipino, I mean Filipinos from the Philippines. LOL
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If only you live in the Philippines. You will know how gay acts here, like ever since elementary, high school. The way bretman acts is just normal here for you to know.
Thats the thing though, Bretman is Filipino but he has never lived in the Philippines, he lived in Hawaii and America for majority of his life, so how will he act like those filipino gays if he himself has never been there? it makes more sense for him to mimick black women / black culture since theyre the ones he’s around with.
Not going to lie, I felt guilty about the "blaccent" I used to speak AAVE as I genuinely admire a lot of things from the Black Culture and ADOS/Black American community, I'm Southeast Asian too and American media really has a lot of influence to us, I've learned English through American media especially Black people with their music although English is taught to us from pre-school I personally learn more from American/Black culture and thought that mimicking the accent is harmless not until I read some studies about African-American Vernacular English its history. For non-Black Americans, it's totally fine to express your appreciation towards their culture but know your boundaries you might find it "cool" but it's not for us to say "N word" or imitate things that they are being ridiculed for, just be yourself.
Hmm... I believe that most gay pips here in the Philippines act like him. Whenever I go to salon, etc. I find it very fascinating that they act as if someone taught or standardized that behaviour but ya, no matter what it is still fun to be with them. I LOVE GAYS because they have so much positive energy ahhahahahahah!!!
As a black woman, thank you, thank you, thank you for making this video. When “others”(NB ppl) realize and speak on issues such as these, it seems like ppl actually wanna listen and tend to believe more. You versed yourself well for this video. Well done!
My favorite video from you is the " you'll never be enough" one where you talk about beauty standards and such, i never saw your vids after that, i saw you in the intro and felt like seeing an old friend like "oh it's you :D"
Unrelated mainly, but i can really see how much fashion inspo bretman got from those 70's/80's glam rock music videos. You picked amazing footage to show that too. I would never have seen it unless pointed out, but wow. I love that.
It's funny how most African-American think that this guy acting black. But then turn right back around and say he's ignorant . So are they trying to say that African Americans are ignorant?🤔 So now they also own curse words and ignorance apart from hairstyles?
Hawaiian pidgin sounds more like Caribbean pidgins, like Jamaican Patois or Gullah Geechee pidgin. He does have a Filipino accent under his over the top Blaccent. Hawaiian Pidgin did borrow some words from Ilocano. Ilocano, Tagalog and Hawaiian are all closely related languages in the Austronesian family of languages.
Yes there may be correlations but by saying that, you’re almost ignoring the fact that aave is mainstream. in some videos, he used the word ghetto, which is considered a derogatory term used towards black people. that fact shows that he can understand and act as a persona of someone “ghetto” (most likely a black woman). blaccents also account for mannerisms and slang words, which clearly he uses. i mean, he said the n word… so yeah, it may be pidgin but theres more to it, like as the video said, hes also gay and gay communities use a lot of aave. (don’t dismiss it in it’s entirety.)
i do also want to add that the blaccent is very common among feminine gay men, and while feminine gay men are more accepted on the internet, this isn't the case while in public. i've been friends with many gay men, but the only one i have who is feminine, has been frequently harassed, at least once a month.
I don’t quite understand how speaking a certain way is exploitation; I live in a community that is predominantly a certain race/culture different than myself, and so I just talk like them. I’m not exploiting anyone, at least I’m not trying to. Could someone please explain?
Idk either honestly. I guess if they’re deliberately faking that accent for comedic effect, and that their regular speaking voice does not sound like that.
Its exploitative when someone uses the way a certain group of ppl talk and behave for monetary gain and as a character rather than that being how they actually talk or grew up talking. Its also problematic when that certain group of people are looked down upon or categorized as ghetto for talking that very same way. In the video, it showed Bretman imitating a ghetto girl, even tho that's how he talks as well.
I won't speak on the brettman issue. But I will say, today, people are really focused on saying "this is ours" and "you aren't allowed to use it". I can't speak for black people but I'm an Asian and if people wanna wear my traditional dress or whatever, I'd have no problem. In fact, where I live, we appreciate foreigners who wear them or dance with us or eat food and learn bits of our language. I was shocked (still am) at how different the western side of the world is.
thank you so much for your appreciation and support!! yes, thats exactly what I wanted to do! I wanted to make sure I didn't take out the controversy since that would be biased but I also wanted to explain as much as I can so people realise theres so much more to the situation.
How is it ridiculous when the demographic that created and speaks it for hundreds of years receives horrific racism for it while everybody else makes millions, you think that's okay?
@@aesanonymous8936 i grew up in a very poor area everyone uses that accent regardless of your race so do you expect people to change their roots and completely do a 180 because people have a problem with how they talk like ??????
this video is soo well done and there are so much knowledge that i haven't really heard of in this video, and the dedication is just so fascinating i love it so much! Thank u for sharing these important infos and i can see you've been doing ALOT of research for this! Can't wait to watch more videos of the content that u made 😊
i love bretman because he was one of the only few lgbtq representation i had, but as i got older i did realize his blaccent was starting to become a problem for me. i’m glad you talked about it in this video.
@@bedussy6749 she got called out for AAVE with the Infamous “whoo chili” in her Tiktoks. There was also an incident from before or right after she got famous. She called the cops on her black man boyfriend and said “you kno they will believe me over you” or something to that effect when they got into a fight. It used to be on Reddit but I couldnt find it. Plus she just gives me the ick when I see here NGL.
I see a lot of similar opinions in the comments section already, but I just wanted to add that Hawai'i is a very complex place with a complex history and it seems most folks talking about issues surrounding the continental US don't seem to really understand it. I'm sure modern media and the internet (and Black culture) has informed Bretman Rock, no doubt about it. But in watching this whole video, I can literally think of dozens of women in Hawai'i in my life that speak and act exactly like Bretman does in his exaggerations/persona, that aren't Black. Now, how that way of speaking has originated out here is another story, which would be an interesting topic to tackle. Who really knows a person's true intent when creating something in the world, but based on Hawai'i life in general, I would say that Bretman probably was just mimicking his environment and didn't think much more about it.
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So basically we Filipinos have three ancestors. The Malays, the Indos, and the Negritos. So there's no such thing like anti-blackness 22:38 in the Philippines since our ancestors have dark skin tone and there are cities here called Negros. Some Filipinos still have strong negrito features like the aeta/agta people. they are one of our indigenous tribes.
Darling you can’t say there’s no such thing like anti blackness when self hatred and body dysmorphia is a thing. Hating the skin your in is very much a thing. Plus if there’s no such thing as anti blackness why is bleaching so evident in the Philippines? 😮
Interestingly, regarding the colorist and anti-black ideologies that plague Southeast Asia and for this case the Philippines. It has existed before modernization and even European colonization, to keep it short being lighter skin meant you were royalty and divine seeing as you wouldn't get dark which were common in peasants and laborers. How this reflects today has me stumped as a Filipino because you can't really tell which ideology you are standing by, either way the discrimination dark skinned people face systemically is severe so it doesn't really matter seeing as it is outright inhumane. (Just wanted to point out that the light skinned obsession isn't entirely caused by colonization and or westernization).
Yes you’re right! I actually dig see further into that for my video on colourism but didn’t mention it for this video to keep it shorter. Thank you for elaborating further 🙏🏽
thank you for this video, as a black latina I was getting annoyed to see how fast this just go around the world, trends and all those stuff, I got ridiculize for being black and having my insipation from our mothers grands, aunts and beautifull black women I could see on tv, but there was not so much I could relate in tv because there was no much black woman being represented but was great when I saw one and could just learn more that we were so similar, NOW is just a personality people add on internet and now is okay they use or hair style or our culture, and all we havebeen trhouth as a new personality for them to be relevant on internet, is just sad and annoying
@@Flower.Power.1996 what you mean that is not for me? do you think being black in latino countries is nothing??? we come from the same place you idiot, and not because your struggle are more visible than ours doesnt mean here we are appreciated, they steal our culture, traditions and make fun of our culture or just etnicity same as you guys,
Thank you! This is truly a great discussion point and beneficial constructive criticism. Oftentimes, it goes farther to explain from a place of understanding than just attack people especially when most of those people are ignorant about these issues or don’t understand how their behavior is problematic so they’re likely to just write those criticisms/attacks off. I had some awareness of the issue with appropriating AAVE but was struggling to understand its significance as an issue and this video really provided a lot of context for me. I almost cried watching the examples of the minstrel shows so I really appreciate you breaking down how modern appropriation of AAVE resembles that.
It’s common for other minorities especially lower income to use the same lingo interchangeably though it originated from Afro American culture. it makes sense as a Asia kid he gravitated towards theses crowds. He loves to be flamboyant. If his personhood is baked into his over the top exaggerated expressions . Who’s he hurting . Because he isn’t painting black people in a bad light or being a token black person. Nobody sees him as whit passing. So we have to ask our selves aren’t we tired of this token mentality? assimilating app to be humanized. We should be respected regardless. So in the end it doesn’t matter.
I'd love to read your opinion about Bretman Rock! p.s. I'm tired of arguing with Bretman fans who can't accept the fact that you CAN be a FAN of someone and constructively criticise them especially when it's a big factor that brought them fame. Trust me, if I really wanted to "cancel" Bretman I wouldn't even bother giving him a whole intro and provide all the different perspectives...
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Bretman seems like a chill guy, ( pass his controversies ) however I feel like his rise to fame says A LOT about society, Black women have been using these slang & mannerisms for DECADES and they get called “ghetto” or “typical” for it. But soon when someone who’s non-AA does it they go viral. I don’t think bretman’s intentions was to mock black people, however this needs to be addressed.
@@FooMoon_55 this video is a DEEP DIVE into Bretman and his rise to success. Prior to making this video I had no idea about the controversies and i wasn’t even sure about discussing the criticism until I really took the time to understand why it matters. Trust me, if I wanted to portray him as problematic and “cancel” him I would’ve just ignored all the different perspectives, context and I wouldn’t even bother taking the time to give him an introduction. I could’ve just taken out the criticism for this video but I didn’t want to be biased especially when it’s the factor that brought him fame. Constructive criticism doesn’t equate to defamation.
@@FooMoon_55 😂 you’ve got to be kidding me. I can’t believe I have to clarify this. Firstly, yes I said MAY but STRICTLY within the context of anti-black beliefs related to colourism and colonialism. Colourism is a big issue in the Philippines and so it is appropriate to say he MAY have had those anti-black beliefs from a young age WITHOUT realising it or properly understanding it. This applies to anyone who grew up in a country that normalises anti-blackness. If you didn’t ignore my context and perspectives you’d understand that I never implied he was actively trying to be racist and anti-black.
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Hi this is an excelente video, the same thing happen in latino countries, they mock black people and black latino culture, despite being the reason latinos have this kind of music, dances, traditions, and gastronomy, so many countries benefit from black people and is what made their countries, but the ignorance in this places and the hate to believe their culture belong some times more to the blacks they just never accept it , thanks for this and just like latinos copy everything from here I hope they copy this kind of video if the hate for the darks aint that much and they make something about this issue there, cause its being happening the same . take care, Saludos from Ecuador :)
as a black person, i appreciated the way you dissected the controversy by pointing out how Bretman is not entirely to blame but rather that gay men in Harlem once upon time assimilated the black woman’s mannerisms. this has created a standard on how the feminine gay man (regardless of skin tone) should act and has brainwashed a lot of young gay men into assimilating this character-build instead of being themselves. this obviously is not every single feminine gay man’s reality but rather a large majority.
the controversy is understood and bretman assimilating the “angry black woman” is disappointing and cringeworthy but I don’t think he knew what he was doing; he was a teenager. I would like to think that he knows better now as I think we can all agree that Bretman is not the Bretman we knew in 2017.
but anyways, great job Ibrahim, you always deliver.
thank you so much for your elaborate opinion! i think you've nailed this perfectly. 👌🏽
Both of you nailed it!!!
Nailed it queen 👑
"i don't think he knew what he was doing, he was a teenager", so did everyone have a racist phase? & is it suddenly *normal* not to know what racism is & to be racist as a teenager? Cause I didn't have that "teenage racist phase". Not everyone is dumb.
@@arisboba you clearly misunderstood what I was saying, a reminder that our brains only fully develop when we’re 25-28.
and I’m from South Africa, a country with a very huge amount of racism DAILY
we give people grace to evolve and don’t cancel them because they were once ignorant, I wish Americans would extend that same grace to the people who have actively worked at rectifying their past transgressions and problematic mindsets.
I never looked at it that way, I always grew up thinking it was gay lingo, especially with shows like rupauls perpetually bringing it into the media. but now realize it all traces back from AAVE and a lot of these celebrities are still doing it out if ignorance rather than harmful intent. I still don’t think it’s OK & I can’t even say I’m not guilty of using AAVE at one point in my life either. Thanks for making this video, very informative and more people need to be aware of this phenomenon.
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I don't think using aave is that wrong tbh. I'm a foreigner and English is my second language, I learned it through the internet so I'm constantly learning new slangs, and lately aave has been used to much, I've been using it daily without the intent of being racist. My other friends who also aren't Americans or other English speaking ethnicities do it as well. We generally speak normal English with certain phrases such as "it do be like dat sometime" or "ain't" since they're part of the meme culture. As long as we're mindful of these types of dialects, there's no reason to not use them. And sadly, it's just that every once in a while there's people who'll use it without knowing where it's from, and make money out of it since it's trendy
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@@sin3358YOU think there’s nothing wrong with it, but I guarantee you it makes most black people around you feel uncomfortable to hear you say those phrases. Feels like a mockery
As a black gay man I think It's so horrible that other races have to put on a black alter ego to be Fearless, Strong, Funny, Sexy, Stylish, Cool etc. While we are mocked,devalued dehumanized, and murdered for it.
Thank you they want to be us but not our struggle
This comment should be pinned. There’s just no other way to put this.
THISSSSS
Bro what
sorry for that, really but some people are like that without even trying to imitating black people. I know my friends who talks like brettman but it's just his personality, and by no means to harm anyone or any cultures, it's really depend on the person Ig
As a black woman living my whole life in Europe I realized that it doesn’t matter where you live or where you’re from. No one, no non black person will know what it is like to be a black woman. We are all treated the same by our own and by everyone else in this world. So the fact that some gay men in consciously impersonate black women who are considered to be anything but a woman, and being celebrated for it whereas we are everyday constantly mocked and reduced for being ourselves is hypocritical.
This is so spot on
I have to disgagree and i don´t like how people generalize Europe like it´s a county. I can only speak from my experience living in Germany and of course in some way we get treated the same way but not really. from what i have experience is that people in Germany aren´t aware of the fact that colorism exist and maybe the defeminization of black women due to the steorytype but not really how it is in the usa
@@CaramelSwatches hey, not sure if you tagged the right person just cause it seems like your response is to AC’s comment not wilma’s.
@@CaramelSwatches I'm not interested in you're interpretation. I'll let people speak fir themselves. Thank you :-)
i completely agree and no matter what’s said in these comments just know you wrote this well and handled this well sis
as a black woman who lives in hawaii i can say that it is common here for locals to participate in black culture while being racist and unwelcoming to actual black people. yes, some locals do speak in pidgin but it doesn’t sound mistakingly similar to a blaccent. there is a difference. i also can’t count how many times i’ve heard non-black locals use the n word a and er. i will say tho, i’ve only seen that from the younger generation. the more mature locals welcome and embrace everyone as long as you respect the island.
Young people sometimes disgust me. My culture is very racist towards anyone who's not white, but I expect that of the older people, because they've been living like this for years, and only recently there's been more black people coming to live in my country, making it more mixed culturally. It's still easy to ignore the elderly people however, since as I said, they're old and dying either way, so who cares about what they say when they're just cuddled inside their houses majority of the time and don't even go out to see enough black people to be racist towards. However, I know so many young people, boys especially, that use the n word just because it's part of the "meme" culture, and excuse it by saying "there's no black people around us, and we're not calling them the n word, we are simply calling each other that as friends, the same way gay people call each other fags" which reminds me, they use a load of other words such as the "r" word and fag. I'll let you know I'm pansexual, which is why I wrote it fully. It's really disturbing that joking around without a care is more important than staying respectful. I'm really disturbed by these people
I'm dumbfounded at the comments saying Pidgin and Blaccent are similar...
I know a couple people from college who are from Hawaii/live there when not at college (we all went to school in CA) and this one guy specifically claims to loveeeee black culture and black people but never once have I seen him support them, speak out against the injustices they face and like always claims that he’s not racist but his behavior doesn’t add up and I’ve called him out on it just for him to be like “but you don’t understand Hawaii is like actually so accepting like *insert black friends names* would be celebrated there!” And im like bro … not the point ??? so I gave up on trying to get through to him
As a local person who grew up in Hawaii I’ve never heard anyone use the n word growing up so I agree it’s the younger generation.
omg I live there too and YES so many not black people use the n word
This opens up a really good conversation about the intersections of gender, sexuality, and race 🤯 Love it
I'm so happy you appreciate the video :) i did not expect to explore the intersections of gender, sexuality, and race when I started scripting this video but I'm actually glad that I did because I learnt a bunch of new things!
Me personally, i could never really get into the whole Bretman train. I always found him tooo over the top, to the point where it seems like he's putting on a show as a character. Like, he kinda comes across as rude, but the comments make it seems like 'oh, that's his personality'. Like, if he wasn't big on RUclips, and was just a normal person with his personality. I guarantee you, most people would find him annoying.
Yeah it’s always gave minstrel
He *is* annoying tf, never found him amusing or entertaining. It's like James Charles in his teenage adult era but more vocally estupido 🥴
I followed Bretman briefly years ago and that’s ultimately what caused me to not follow him. If Bretman was a person I met in real life, I wouldn’t speak to him because of his blaccent.
Kooler man, He would not have blown up on youtube if it wasn't for his PERSONALITY..... His PERSONALITY is what made people like him....what u are saying is utterly incorrigible and is depraved of any sense, at fugggin all, it is like saying if spicy noodles are not spicy no one would eat it.... Do you understand what iam saying here.
agree completely! his whole act was really off-putting and made it hard to keep watching him even though I did enjoy some of his content 🤷♀
Basically Filipino(naturally born in PH) gay men have the same mannerisms as bretman rock. And based off my observations their humour or even their mannerisms would be very deemed "offensive" in the US centric kind of view. People do not know that Majority of the Filipino gay men contributed to the fashion and beauty industry in the Philippines.
Yea but where are they getting the personality from? Black Americans, that's why it is offensive stop erasing black people from their culture because you can't admit to the inherent anti-blackness of mimicking black people to then turn around and shout them down and demean them.
I live in the Philippines and I can tell you, 90% of the gay people I know personally have this gay persona similar to Bretman, specifically those around the same age as him or even older. I know it doesn't make it okay for the people who have been offended but I think the problem lies more so on the origins of his culture as a gay man and our culture as filipinos in general.
Everyone in the states is the same way too!! Even white gay men. The fool who posted this video is an idiot
I agree, some of my gay friends act like bretman. I'm Filipino btw
It’s a chain reaction. Bretman (a Filipino American) with a global audience, takes AAVE from the black people in America and spreading it to other countries without considering the harm it does to the black American community
Most gay culture comes from black women. Then black gay men got it, and every gay person copied.
I think it is also worth noting that Asian Americans (most of whom immigrated to America) has been a fast growing demographic with little to no REPRESENTATION in pop culture. We’re either nerds or sidekicks. Always desexualized. So Asians (imo) who pick up Black Culture do it as a way to differentiate themselves from White Culture without truly giving up their limited benefits assimilating into White Society. This is an issue of establishing authentic Asian American experiences, a space that is wholly different from Black and White Culture, but nonetheless American in and out. That is something that we need to work on, but I definitely see the irony of racism between Asian and Black people, despite their obvious ties that lend well to racial solidarity.
There is a great op-Ed that discusses the deficit of authentic Asian Americans in popular culture, despite our long and storied history. I urge everyone to at least consider and empathize our perspective; obviously Rock was not right exploiting AAVE for fame and success, but hopefully we can have deeper discussions as to WHY Asians have to adopt a culture that is separate from their own in order to assimilate. That is my own humble opinion
Thank you so much for your take on this! I didn’t briefly read about this when researching this and it was such an interesting take that I’d love to look into. Might just do a deep dive on that for another video.
100% agree
Exactly this. It's the same with Peter Parker's friend, the token Asian American (obviously Filipino) guy named Ned in the latest Spider Man films. He's the comedic relief and the sidekick. I guarantee that his outfit is similar to how Asian American people in the US are dressed up.
Thank you for adding to the conversation about how people of other races use people like me and our mannerisms like a costume they can wash off when they go back home to their regular lives
I always think about the same thing when it comes to Lily Singh and Liza Koshy. I used to think that all Americans talk like that when I was young and then I realised otherwise.
Lily Singh is from Canada, not the United States.
@@ThatGirlJD canada is in north america
@@dahjiat.8562 Bro fuck off with your shitttt. I'm tired of you "America is a continent" people. When you say "American" you're talking about people from the US, point blank period. "North American" and "South American" refer to people from the continents. That's just how it is with the language, don't fuck and kerfuffle shit up.
@@liryar123no because that's a different sub-continent. and they don't even speak english
@@liryar123 it's not wrong if they do, America is a continent anyway
Hey, I appreciate this. But, as a person who studies Black history and culture as a Black American, there are some things you should correct in the future:
1) A blaccent is a caricaturization of AAVE, not the replication/imitation of said sub-language. It is offensive, not because it’s the way we speak -- but rather because people believe we speak like this, because many Black/AfroLatine individuals portray some form of these attributes. Example, Cardi B (Afro-Latine) is not always the loud, rambunctious person we see on tv. She doesn't speak at that caliber all of the time, it is a part of her personality -- but it is not all of who she is as an individual. The issue with Blaccents is that it takes a small persona that many Black/Afro Latine individuals have and caricaturing it in a derogatory way.
2) The first drag show ever done was by a Black man, previously enslaved, by the name of Swann in 1888 -- he is seen as the forefather of the ballroom scene.
3) Asian-American people have a history of disassociating with Black people while absorbing our culture and shifting it to something more palatable for White and Asian audiences. That is our problem with the AA/PI community, when it comes to the "appreciation" of our culture. Many of our social leaders have said countless times that what is being done is not seen as appreciation but rather culture vulture mentality with a twist of asian-washing. Great examples would be Kpop stars rapping and using the n-word, Nikita Dragon, and so many more. A great example of this issue is someone White using dandere personality and dressing up in lolita fashion and calling it appreciation of Japanese culture. Anime is a small part of Japanese culture, as there are thousands of years of music, dance, literature and more that better represent that culture. This is what White and Brown people are doing with Black American culture. You [plural] are romanticizing our culture while disrespecting our existence. I have yet to see Jay Park or Bretman Rock say anything about Black social issues or try to hire Black team members and highlight Black talent. There is no intention of trying to connect with the people you are milking from. Also, there is a voluntary ignorance that is similar to White racist behaviors being replicated. We are in the age of the internet, anyone can look up info about Black culture and appropriation. Everyone has knowledge at their fingers, it is your choice to learn or stick to solely what you believe is right without understanding the morality and values of others.
4) I understand that we are judging him and others from a modern lense -- as we judge older comic s for making racist and homophobic jokes [which were well received back then], but there needs to be accountability. Accountability is not existing in guilt because that is useless to the people you hurt and self-serving, because it forces others to coddle you. Accountability is recognizing that the world has changed, and your actions did not age well, so improve your actions now and teach people like you how they can take accountability. That is what I and my people want -- accountability and action. Bretman Rock can start by talking to his "best friend" Nikita Dragon and explaining to her how she needs to be held accountable for her continuous racist actions.
Yeah, I know this is a lot -- but I had to get this off of my chest.
woah I really like the way you explained accountability here - really well put. And god, totally agree abt people like Jay Park, that man is just so foul 💀
As people living outside of the US we are often marketed hip hop culture as black American culture. I'm black yes but I'm obviously not black American but Zulu so I have my own culture and sometimes I wonder if non black Americans can also misappropriate and miss represent your culture? Because I see it all the time and have only now realized that even we as non American blacks do take on the blackcent and some people will dress in the stereotypical hip hop clothing but because we are black we don't get called out on it🤔 But it's still misrepresenting the culture and actually "secondarily" misrepresenting it to other races in our own country? Just my thoughts
this is so well written i couldn’t have said it better myself
Well said.
Extremely informative. Thank you for taking the time to type this.
I'm a Filipino. I don't think and never thought that Bretman's unintentionally doing a Blaccent. Many gays here acts sassy with loud personalities like Bretman. Filipino gays (some) never use English language but acts like Bret. Bret acts like them but just talks IN ENGLISH. I was not even shocked when I first saw him because I was surrounded with gays like him.
This is the problem though, it is so normalized that people just think of this a gay culture when it came from black culture.
@@willianalee6336not everything is from black culture. fun fact: hawaiians are a smaller minority than black people by millions and this persona bretman is known for is what we call “titah” in hawaii.
@@willianalee6336 since when? bretman grew up in the Philippines. This personality has been in existence for decades in the Philippines, which just got noticed because of the internet. Not everything is from black culture/America. This way of speaking is to sound hyper-feminine, and not to mimic black women.
@@willianalee6336 from Black culture what when he is already 8 yrs old when he moved to Hawaii also PH media have less black influence duh..
@@bunny_god but he gets a lot of his persona from black people. hence the aave discourse like it’s QUEER BLACK CULTURE. if he didn’t this wouldn’t even be a huge discussion like don’t be dense 😭 i’m not belittling your POV but in the context of bretman rock specially, he has profited off using black culture (aave) heavily in his “character”
As a Filipino who has witnessed alot of gay Filipinos act I am not all that surprised with his accent, that's just how they talk.
No matter how many times I see clips of some of those black face skits they will never cease to disgust me. The saddest part is that they are the orgins of so many horrid stereotypes today
I'm here with you on that... it was so heartbreaking to watch those clips when I was researching for this video. I can't imagine how that was so normalised back then.
And you did a phenomenal job of being fair in presenting the facts all while being sympathetic to black culture. You didn't attack or tear Bret down but you didn't let him get way with it either. Expertly done! 👑👍🏼
love this commentary!!! you said it - "gay culture took INSPIRATION from black women" and repackaged it to be gay AND black women. Phillipines are also the darker asains and there are a lot of japanese in hawaii and colorism is everywhere. As a 15 year old child he is not to blame and is not the same as a grown man painting his face black. Id even say darker skin ppl are often adultified at a young age
The thing is gay culture started with black transwomen and black gay men. I can’t tell if your including black transwomen when you say black women in general? Also I can’t imagine cis black women saying werk,hunty,cunt, etc. etc. back in the 1960s when this way of speaking was just developing.
@@Almond.stars666 personally as a Black person with a lot of Black matriarchs in my family spanning generations, I’d implore you to think that the Gay and Trans women who popularized these movements got their isms and lexicon from their mothers/aunts/sisters. My elders have BEEN talking like that and it wasn’t an influence from gay culture, that’s just how they communicated. They got it from their families, that’s how they were socialized and they just made it pretty and cool in the stratosphere
@@Almond.stars666 many of the slang terms did in fact come from black cis women. I mean even in recent history when “on fleek” was a thing it was created by a black cis woman. The mannerisms and stereotypes are also based in cis black women.
@@Almond.stars666 stop calling women "cis". It's fucking dehumanizing to the actual women.
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I thought this video was going to be messy but this actually very informative
hahaha i'm glad you found it informative! :)
A lot of black stereotypes are unfortunately ingrained into society, that's why we see them perpetuated by both non-black and black people alike. The solution to this would be actually teaching people real history in school and not the whitewashed, watered-down and simply poorly thought out history syllabus. Not trying to take away any accountability from Bretman, but even as a black African woman I had to unlearn so many stereotypes about my own people and African Americans alike. We have a huge problem globally and it's so disheartening.
That’s how gay men in the Philippines act. It has nothing to do with mimicking black women. In fact, a lot of women who are sassy, funny, loud are called “babaeng bakla” (gay woman) and usually these women are friends with gays. Filipinos are loud people in general; it’s in our culture. And sassiness as a way of joking too. This is not just in the Philippines, but also in Indonesia and other SEAsian countries as well. Before the funny tiktok comments, SEAsians have been joking that way for many years, just not in english. It’s not blaccent, it’s the way gays talk to sound feminine. The use of AAVE though, which is new to us (because of the internet) is another matter, and Filipinos have been calling that out. Bretman apologized for his past behavior if my memory serves me right.
In precolonial Philippines, we have what we call babaylan (priestess) who could be a woman or a man who dresses, acts, talks, and lives like a woman. They would even sleep with other men. So the modern term “trans” or “trans woman” is not new to us. During WWII, (im gonna use the new term trans) many trans women became sex slaves of the Japanese soldiers. There were even movies made about it, which were starred by Dennis Trillo and the other by Dolphy (among the biggest stars of their generation). And then there’s this celebrity named Ruffa Mae Quinto (a “babaeng bakla”) whose real (and reel) personality is similar to Bretman Rock’s. This is her:
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Not everything is from America.
Finally
Thats the thing though, Bretman is Filipino but he has never lived in the Philippines, he lived in Hawaii and America for majority of his life, so how will he act like those filipino gays if he himself has never been there? it makes more sense for him to mimick black women / black culture since theyre the ones he’s around with.
@@bussy_baby He lived here for 7 years. While he lived most of his life in the US, he still has memories and has a strong connection with the Philippines. He knows what’s happening here (even politics!) and probably watches TFC (The Filipino Channel) growing up. It’s not uncommon for 1st gen Filipino-Americans to watch Philippine shows in the US. I recall him replying to a Fil-Am (who commented on his tiktok video of a Filipino viral challenge, “I’m Filipino but I don’t understand/know this”) that he pities her for not growing up in the Philippines. People from Hawaii also have their own culture (based from the comments of Hawaiians here).
Black women don’t own the way gay people speak. Feminine gays all over the world speak (and act) like Bretman does. It’s not blaccent.
@@chancestaken Thats great to know and all but he has literally said the n word many times and even dressed as a black woman during a party, wearing an afro and hoop earrings, i think its pretty obvious who he talks and acts like.
@@bussy_baby wow that was addressed so long ago. It looks like when you committed a mistake pertaining to black culture you can never go back.. Its like not allowing people to have character development..
finally someone’s talking about this 👏🏾
Yes! I’ve always been curious about how people felt about the way he speaks. I didn’t wanna claim anything though because obviously not every Afro-American talks like that.
In my opinion, while his accent might be offensive, this is how languages change throughout history. Certain ways of speaking (accents, slang, vocab) all change throughout time. While it may be frustrating and controversial, language WILL change based on what society deems "popular." I am not defending Brettman, however, I am making an observation from a linguistic POV. While some could argue that it is cultural appropriation, it could also be the natural acceptance of the African American Dialect and shift in culture that is both controversial and maddening to some, but totally natural in the world of language.
I don’t think anyone here challenges that but like you said it is frustrating because of the double standard that is handed out. Our language is being accepted but we ourselves are still dealing with the bigotry that comes attached to that same language. When white or Asian people do blackcent, it’s cute, edgy and cool but we do it’s just ghetto. It does nothing but reinforce just how hated we are as a community..
Good point
@@rosabscura it’s pple like Candance Owens and Kanye West calling black pple ghetto so maybe the problem is more internal than you think.
@@rosabscura not really true tbh. If a white person does an imitation of a black accent, I'm pretty sure they'll be attacked in no time. This idea of "yall accept what we do but not us" is very flawed. Look around you, times are changing. I'm not saying black people don't face racism ofc they do. But you're making it far more worse. The few racist people don't compare to all those numerous other people supporting black people. And by no means I want to say that "you have it easy". I still see the news, I still watch the crimes against people based on race. But I'd still say, it's far better than it was centuries ago. Kinda a victim mentality to say how "hated we are as a community", it's just not true.
@@sinnerz3562 They're not ready for that conversation yet.
i love the way you organize your videos & the commentary you give on every section
Been following him since I was a teen and his persona has definitely mellowed down now.
Thank you so much for this! So much information from this video to intake 🙏🏾
You're very welcome!! i'm glad you found this video informative ❤
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Thank you so much for this breakdown. Very comprehensive. I am a black South African, so I am not very familiar with the nuanced ways racism has emerged in America. I am learning a lot. We, black non-Americans, do adopt some of these practices without knowing how harmful it is to black Americans, simply because it is what is on trend. Education is important and you are educating us very well
Your research always blows me away
thank you sooo much for the support and appreciation of my work!!
This comment section is genuinely disappointing. Ibrahim really did a well made video but y'all only reaction is "nah he's my fav" or start being dismissive about real issues affecting people in America. Influencers don't need to be canceled for us to acknowledge when something is wrong. Also you do not need to be a part of a specific culture and ethnicity to understand their history. Thank you for this video, I learned a lot !
Agree just because he’s a gay man people think it’s alright
Thank you so much for your comment! I totally agree with what you have to say about the accountability. It's about learning from those mistakes and growing.
Idk you need to chop off a toe or something if you have so little struggle in life, that the little fag speaking a certain way is causing you emotional distress. Like actually touch grass and seek guidance and help.
I don’t think Bretman is racist, I think it’s just normalized
love your vids!! always so informative, unbiased, and straight to the point.
His sister talks exactly like him, and nobody says anything. Hmmmm.
I'll be completely honest, I didn't know what to expect going into this. And I have a lot of mixed feelings with this video. So lemme just dump everything on here real quick.
I was born, raised, and live Hawaii, and I'm half Filipino. I grew up and worked with Filipinos over the years. Filipinos can be (admittedly) very loud and maybe even dramatic sometimes, both young and old.
Over here some people talk in Hawaiian pidgin which started around the 19 century by sugarcane laborers who spoke English, Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, and/or Hawaiian. It was a way for them to communicate with one another. It's similar to AAVE. The reason I'm conflicted by all this is because that's how a lot of people talk in Hawaii. It's honestly so hard to explain it cause I don't speak pidgin as often as most people do so maybe someone can explain it better.
The thing is, language is constantly changing no matter what. Now obviously I'm not condoning people to use a certain language to just mock a certain race and there are some derogatory/offensive words that should not be said. But I do think we need to not only educate but also do some research before jumping to conclusions about certain things. Know the history of where the language came from.
I'm sorry I know this might offend some people, but I think it's a little weird to gatekeep a language or the way a person speaks? Especially if they're not doing it out of malicious intent but rather they just think it's a "cool" thing to say? If they are ignorant about where it came from, to just kindly educate them. Idk...I think it's important to share cultures? Idk...this whole this is a little weird tbh and I'll admit, I'm a little uneducated when it comes to these types of topics.
Idk like I've said, I have a lot of mixed feelings and I did not intend to offend anyone with my comment.
Thank you so much for taking your time to share this! I really appreciate your take on this. I'm so disappointed at myself I don't why I didn't dig deep into Hawaiian Pidgin for this video. I did briefly read a comment about that but I didn't think to research further so thank you for what you've provided. As for your take on adopting other cultures and languages, I definitely agree with you when you same we should kindly educate instead of calling others out aggressively. I also agree that we shouldn't just assume that when someone adopts another culture/language, it is done out of of malicious intent. I'm very curious to know what other people have to say about this too.
@@ibrahimkamityoutube It's okay! Hawaii in a way is like it's own little country when compared to the mainland. It's just a huge melting pot of so many different cultures coming together and creating a unique one. Not a lot of people know much about it unless they've actually lived here. It's a little different here culture-wise, but we're just like any other state.
You have the internet at your finger tips why should I educate you? Sharing cultures can also be very harmful as we are seeing, people who use AAVE are literally told they don’t know how to talk and corrected or ignored, in certain situations people die or are just not helped because people don’t know what they need or are asking for so people just playing around and only using it on the internet and then still cannot actually use it right is not a good thing… so what you think it’s cool you can like it from a distance and not try it on like it’s a costume but not dare speak like that in a moment it matters.
I might be reading this wrong but Pidgin and AAVE/Blaccent are still VERRRY different and unalike. Different tonality and different vocab altogether. You said that "its similar to AAVE" but its really not
Edit: and C'mon....your not gonna convince me that Hawaiians wouldnt be offended if Haole's started gaining money and fame from suddenly popularizing Pidgin.
@@allthegirlgroups2977 I just meant similar as in the history and why it was created. But yea you're right. Even some of the locals here cringe when Haole's try to speak pidgin
Informative, concise, and entertaining! Great video! Thank you for making this
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Was going in with a lowkey biased mind because of bretman but i actually learned a lot and it's not an attack on just bretman but just the whole society. As a european this internalized racism of copying the language of black people isn't really as much of a part of my history so i definitely learned a lot, especially in connection with "gay slang" now becoming more popular all over the world. Keep going!
Maybe its just me being filipino, but this is how I talk too? People I grew up with talk like this
Thank you Ibrahim Kamit for breaking down the blackcent and the use of AAVE in your video as well providing context and some history! Thank you so much for the video overall on Bretman Rock! Love your videos!!!!
Woow so well organized and explained! I love all of your video essays...I once picked some points from a video of yours for my declamation contest and I won🤌😭♥️. Anyways thanks for making such good content keep going✨
Omggggg ?!!!! That’s amazing!!! Congratulations
Hello 👋 so happy who uploaded a new vedio 😊 thank you for taking me out of boredom ☺️ glad to see you back hope you're doing good
this conversation needs to be happening - really great job man
Your research is crazy!
As a fellow Filipino who has seen many Filipino gays here in the Philippines growing up, I really don’t understand what’s wrong with the way he speaks. Like you, I didn’t know this was a controversy. That last thing you mentioned, I believe it really is just that. He just picks up on the things he sees like every kid growing up normally would. Hopefully this controversy will help him become more conscious about how he speaks because people are actually getting offended. 🤷♀️
* I dare those offended people to live here in the Philippines. Sooner or later they’ll realize that gays here have that sass! Not “black-sass” (tf is that even), not cultural-appropriation-sass, but natural sass! It’s in their blood!
What a great video! Efforts are well put out, thank you for making this.
I'm so glad you're back! Thanks for this.
thank you for being patient and being here!!! you're very welcome ❤
The use of AAVE can actually be such a weirdly tense discussion when it comes up. Explaining it's intricacies, how it rose up as our "generational slang" due to the internet and other forms of media's presentation of it makes me sound like I'm reaching, but I feel like it's been pretty clear how certain patterns of speech are from certain communities based on sentence structure, words separate from traditional English, and often times tone and delivery. It's definitely stereotypical to say so, but you'd be erasing the fact that it IS a part of the African American community if you claim it untrue. There are stereotypes for a reason, but they're not meant to be used for harm. It's an acknowledgement of a very generalized idea of people that has roots of truths and untruths. I actually like Bretman, but one can still acknowledge his use of it, criticize and still be a fan. Personally, just like with the general populace growing up with the internet, he took this blaccent and AAVE thinking it's okay because everyone else is doing it, so it should be fine without any other consideration of what these things entail. It's not a good thing, but these nuances that people don't typically experience themselves is something they have to learn and process in time once it's brought to attention.
... I can't TL;DR this lol. Sorry 🥲.
I read it and it sounds like a fan defending his celebrity.
you do Have a point and this show how weird people take up theses slang and accent when they don’t come from theses area (with mostly black people, or in América). And how they dismisses Where it comes from and pretend its not that deep. Billie eilish, the Kpop idols talking with a blaccent when they learn english without coming from a black community , and mostly get american white teachers to learn or like the tweets white kids use and do weird and bad AAVE.
Or non black kids saying Chile is a meme when its AAVE. They just pick up an accent. Its true that growing in suburb or the hood u take the lamguage. Idk for Bretman, We don’t really know his entourage but Its still weird. They say its internet culture (Not bretman but influencers or kids on TikTok) while being antiblack and say its not that deep when real black people in real black area can be looked down for speaking it.
Me, a Filipino, hearing this accent used my entire life from fellow gay Filipinos- (yes even impoverished folks who's never been exposed to western stuff)
Idk man, sometimes I think people overthink these kinda "problems" which is kinda funny in my 3rd world perspective but hey, life would be boring without these I guess.
Definitely. Americans are so bored that they have to create controversy in their heads. That’s why the US has the worst stats for mental health illnesses.
Yall did not just talk like that without some kind of exposure, that's a full on lie. Whether is black shows, music, or black people themselves or vicariously through queer culture who also took it from black people, they too did not get it from nowhere.
You are not black, but yet feel comfortable speaking on black dialect and culture. So then it's time for black people to start acting like Asian stereotypes with horrible accents and making millions off of it then? Only fair right?
did we watch the same video? even if its unintentional its still a persona used to mock black women so yes IT IS A PROBLEM
@@al3x4.07 how tf is it a persona used to mock black people if that’s just the way they speak??? It can’t be unintentional if they’re not even mocking anyone. It’s just the way they talk. I know Chinese people who talk very similarly it just happens to be how they sound once they learn English especially if they’re constantly around people who talk that way. Stop the madness like seriously. There’s so many other important things you should be upset about like the way the government pimps the hell out of everyone
@@al3x4.07Americans are so self-centered it's not even funny anymore. Ang tatanga niyo. Kakairita.
FYI america there is a whole other world outside your country. Where people don't pretend to be black or have something called blaccent we literally learn what we hear from TV and the things we like. So really chill
You literally just admitted to learning how to talk like black people from black media on TV while simultaneously telling black Americans basically they're being overdramatic for people imitating them and making millions off of something that gets them horrific racism in their own home towns, how do you not see the problem you just admitted to it?
@aes anonymous the things that work in the US and how you view things. The world doesn't see it like this we don't take race the way u do ur all hyper fixated on labels
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As someone who lives in the Philippines I keep realizing how much of black culture I've enculturated/learned while ironically the Philippines is also anti-black/colorists country like Korea and ironically also Korea calls Filipinos and a bunch of other countries in asia as Monkey/Jungle Asians.
Thank you for ur informative video hopefully ill continue to learn and respect each culture I've enculturated like black, latine, and so much more since Philippines is one of the clusterf*cks of culture. i mean that in a pos way possible.
Thank you for being honest other commenters are saying they never consumed black content in the Philippines, but somehow just magically talk like a group of people they never even met until the immigrated across the globe. The foolishness and anti-blackness is astounding.
Yep, they are very anti black
@@aesanonymous8936 Even if we did, it's not to the extent of knowing the niches of Black culture. Music is the most accessible to Filipinos, so it makes more sense for us to consume music by Black artists. Denying that this sass is not Filipino is just you being fucking ignorant. It's so freaking exhausting to educate you guys and hilarious AT THE SAME TIME because you DEMAND us to understand your culture but YOU CAN'T EVEN DO IT YOURSELVES. Time to look in the mirror.
@idle lurker Pleae point to where I said anything about his sass? You won't be able to, but please do try! Let me say it for you once AGAIN. It's the accent and vernacular they are imitating that is not from the outside of North american black communities, but I can't expect people who peaked in middle school to have reading comprehension. Get a life and stop trying to be black people you obsessed weirdo. Black people ain't trying to imitate Filipinos, so what are they not understanding or disrespecting?
Also, way to prove my point yall consume black content, but it kills you to admit that yall are imitating the black content you consume just like white people here in America. But please tell us where words like slay, period, okurr, chile, and finna come from then?
@@aesanonymous8936 I didn't say you said anything about sass specifically. Just making his aura AND accent as an example. Come back and talk to me when you have seen a group of Filipino gay men converse. And when I say Filipino, I mean Filipinos from the Philippines. LOL
as a white girl from the south. everyone of every color talks like this and uses slang. It’s not that deep
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I just knew I had to go to the comment section for this video. All of nuance going on in this video..
If only you live in the Philippines. You will know how gay acts here, like ever since elementary, high school. The way bretman acts is just normal here for you to know.
Thats the thing though, Bretman is Filipino but he has never lived in the Philippines, he lived in Hawaii and America for majority of his life, so how will he act like those filipino gays if he himself has never been there? it makes more sense for him to mimick black women / black culture since theyre the ones he’s around with.
Great video btw. I learned a lot from the section on minstrel shows and how they tie in to stereotypes and cultural appropriation today.
thank you so much for the feedback! I'm so glad you could learn something new from this :)
Not going to lie, I felt guilty about the "blaccent" I used to speak AAVE as I genuinely admire a lot of things from the Black Culture and ADOS/Black American community, I'm Southeast Asian too and American media really has a lot of influence to us, I've learned English through American media especially Black people with their music although English is taught to us from pre-school I personally learn more from American/Black culture and thought that mimicking the accent is harmless not until I read some studies about African-American Vernacular English its history. For non-Black Americans, it's totally fine to express your appreciation towards their culture but know your boundaries you might find it "cool" but it's not for us to say "N word" or imitate things that they are being ridiculed for, just be yourself.
Bretman will always be that gurl
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thank you!!!
“period ahh period uhh” caught me SO off guard oh my god
i’m crying laughing
Omgggg i've missed your videos!! Welcome back💜
Hmm... I believe that most gay pips here in the Philippines act like him. Whenever I go to salon, etc. I find it very fascinating that they act as if someone taught or standardized that behaviour but ya, no matter what it is still fun to be with them. I LOVE GAYS because they have so much positive energy ahhahahahahah!!!
Excellent, thorough and anti bias reporting. Ty
awwww that means so much to me, thank you!! hope you have a lovely day!
The integrity & hard work you see in his content is amazing.👍
As a black woman, thank you, thank you, thank you for making this video. When “others”(NB ppl) realize and speak on issues such as these, it seems like ppl actually wanna listen and tend to believe more. You versed yourself well for this video. Well done!
My favorite video from you is the " you'll never be enough" one where you talk about beauty standards and such, i never saw your vids after that, i saw you in the intro and felt like seeing an old friend like "oh it's you :D"
oh god you are PERFECT ibrahim!
Unrelated mainly, but i can really see how much fashion inspo bretman got from those 70's/80's glam rock music videos. You picked amazing footage to show that too. I would never have seen it unless pointed out, but wow. I love that.
It's funny how most African-American think that this guy acting black. But then turn right back around and say he's ignorant . So are they trying to say that African Americans are ignorant?🤔
So now they also own curse words and ignorance apart from hairstyles?
I always, always look forward to your videos because they're so educational and never attacking anyone!
fun fact: aave (AAVE) is a word in finnish and it means ghost 🇫🇮👻
Thank you for commenting
I've learned a lot(´∀｀)♡
so glad you’re back!
I feel like Bretman's accent sounds more Hawaiian pidgin than it does a blaccent...They can sound similar in some aspects.
Hawaiian pidgin sounds more like Caribbean pidgins, like Jamaican Patois or Gullah Geechee pidgin. He does have a Filipino accent under his over the top Blaccent. Hawaiian Pidgin did borrow some words from Ilocano. Ilocano, Tagalog and Hawaiian are all closely related languages in the Austronesian family of languages.
Yes there may be correlations but by saying that, you’re almost ignoring the fact that aave is mainstream. in some videos, he used the word ghetto, which is considered a derogatory term used towards black people. that fact shows that he can understand and act as a persona of someone “ghetto” (most likely a black woman). blaccents also account for mannerisms and slang words, which clearly he uses. i mean, he said the n word… so yeah, it may be pidgin but theres more to it, like as the video said, hes also gay and gay communities use a lot of aave. (don’t dismiss it in it’s entirety.)
This video is so well thought out and just overall really educational and entertaining!! New sub!💗🫶🏽
i do also want to add that the blaccent is very common among feminine gay men, and while feminine gay men are more accepted on the internet, this isn't the case while in public. i've been friends with many gay men, but the only one i have who is feminine, has been frequently harassed, at least once a month.
Another great video! I always learn so much from these videos and find new perspectives on things I never saw before.
I don’t quite understand how speaking a certain way is exploitation; I live in a community that is predominantly a certain race/culture different than myself, and so I just talk like them. I’m not exploiting anyone, at least I’m not trying to. Could someone please explain?
Idk either honestly. I guess if they’re deliberately faking that accent for comedic effect, and that their regular speaking voice does not sound like that.
Its exploitative when someone uses the way a certain group of ppl talk and behave for monetary gain and as a character rather than that being how they actually talk or grew up talking. Its also problematic when that certain group of people are looked down upon or categorized as ghetto for talking that very same way. In the video, it showed Bretman imitating a ghetto girl, even tho that's how he talks as well.
I won't speak on the brettman issue. But I will say, today, people are really focused on saying "this is ours" and "you aren't allowed to use it". I can't speak for black people but I'm an Asian and if people wanna wear my traditional dress or whatever, I'd have no problem. In fact, where I live, we appreciate foreigners who wear them or dance with us or eat food and learn bits of our language. I was shocked (still am) at how different the western side of the world is.
@@grapesarepurple2636 wow that is very interesting! I agree with you.
4 months and you finally posted!
ahahaha I know such a delay!! I'm so sorry for the late post
i love your videos. thank u for putting in the effort and research and sharing it with us. ❤
you're very welcome! thanks so much for the support and appreciation 🥰
love how you explained this! it felt very informative instead of an attempt to just drag someone!
thank you so much for your appreciation and support!! yes, thats exactly what I wanted to do! I wanted to make sure I didn't take out the controversy since that would be biased but I also wanted to explain as much as I can so people realise theres so much more to the situation.
@@ibrahimkamityoutube you did a fabulous job :) keep it up!
Me everytime Ibrahim drops a video, 🏃🏃🏃🏃
Im glad there are some people who realize how ridiculous it is to gatekeeper a DIALECT . This conversation is killing my brain cells bye.
How is it ridiculous when the demographic that created and speaks it for hundreds of years receives horrific racism for it while everybody else makes millions, you think that's okay?
@@aesanonymous8936 Because a dialect comes from the area you live in and also people use their dialect when expressing themselves
@@aesanonymous8936 i grew up in a very poor area everyone uses that accent regardless of your race so do you expect people to change their roots and completely do a 180 because people have a problem with how they talk like ??????
Nowadays, there is a problem for everything. Literally everything 😂
did we watch the same video?
Yes and that’s exactly why
You came back ❤
this video is soo well done and there are so much knowledge that i haven't really heard of in this video, and the dedication is just so fascinating i love it so much! Thank u for sharing these important infos and i can see you've been doing ALOT of research for this! Can't wait to watch more videos of the content that u made 😊
Haven't seen your vids in ages. Arms looking fly. Keep up the gains dude
i love bretman because he was one of the only few lgbtq representation i had, but as i got older i did realize his blaccent was starting to become a problem for me. i’m glad you talked about it in this video.
Bam. U said it all. The story is Not done. Yet to hear him say something funny. You, Ibrahim have done a great job. 🏆🏆🏆🏆
honestly he sounds like someone from hawaii 🤷🏽♀️ we all use broken english there
You think the blaccent came from Hawaii? If you can’t see his heavy use of aave then your just ignorant
Brittany Browski jump-scare😂. I feel like she should have her own video.
Ouu can you elaborate??
@@bedussy6749 she got called out for AAVE with the Infamous “whoo chili” in her Tiktoks. There was also an incident from before or right after she got famous. She called the cops on her black man boyfriend and said “you kno they will believe me over you” or something to that effect when they got into a fight. It used to be on Reddit but I couldnt find it. Plus she just gives me the ick when I see here NGL.
@@workinprogress3329 she's what a lot of white gen z people are
I see a lot of similar opinions in the comments section already, but I just wanted to add that Hawai'i is a very complex place with a complex history and it seems most folks talking about issues surrounding the continental US don't seem to really understand it. I'm sure modern media and the internet (and Black culture) has informed Bretman Rock, no doubt about it. But in watching this whole video, I can literally think of dozens of women in Hawai'i in my life that speak and act exactly like Bretman does in his exaggerations/persona, that aren't Black. Now, how that way of speaking has originated out here is another story, which would be an interesting topic to tackle. Who really knows a person's true intent when creating something in the world, but based on Hawai'i life in general, I would say that Bretman probably was just mimicking his environment and didn't think much more about it.
Thanks for the insight
I’m late to finding you. Happy I did. Thank you for the video. Very well thought out and put together wonderful job. New subscriber here. ❤ keep up the good work
So basically we Filipinos have three ancestors. The Malays, the Indos, and the Negritos. So there's no such thing like anti-blackness 22:38 in the Philippines since our ancestors have dark skin tone and there are cities here called Negros. Some Filipinos still have strong negrito features like the aeta/agta people. they are one of our indigenous tribes.
Doesn’t excuse having a blaccent
@@Jasmine-ot8br well I never said I was defending him about his blaccent lol
But baby… did you not see the clips? And also, black people can also be anti-black.
Darling you can’t say there’s no such thing like anti blackness when self hatred and body dysmorphia is a thing. Hating the skin your in is very much a thing. Plus if there’s no such thing as anti blackness why is bleaching so evident in the Philippines? 😮
Thank you for providing this! but skin whitening & bleaching still equates to anti-blackness...
Interestingly, regarding the colorist and anti-black ideologies that plague Southeast Asia and for this case the Philippines. It has existed before modernization and even European colonization, to keep it short being lighter skin meant you were royalty and divine seeing as you wouldn't get dark which were common in peasants and laborers. How this reflects today has me stumped as a Filipino because you can't really tell which ideology you are standing by, either way the discrimination dark skinned people face systemically is severe so it doesn't really matter seeing as it is outright inhumane. (Just wanted to point out that the light skinned obsession isn't entirely caused by colonization and or westernization).
Yes you’re right! I actually dig see further into that for my video on colourism but didn’t mention it for this video to keep it shorter. Thank you for elaborating further 🙏🏽
thank you for this video, as a black latina I was getting annoyed to see how fast this just go around the world, trends and all those stuff, I got ridiculize for being black and having my insipation from our mothers grands, aunts and beautifull black women I could see on tv, but there was not so much I could relate in tv because there was no much black woman being represented but was great when I saw one and could just learn more that we were so similar, NOW is just a personality people add on internet and now is okay they use or hair style or our culture, and all we havebeen trhouth as a new personality for them to be relevant on internet, is just sad and annoying
You are Afro Latina. This is about African Americans not you
@@Flower.Power.1996 what you mean that is not for me? do you think being black in latino countries is nothing???
we come from the same place you idiot, and not because your struggle are more visible than ours doesnt mean here we are appreciated, they steal our culture, traditions and make fun of our culture or just etnicity same as you guys,
@@Flower.Power.1996 You african americans are so weird 😒
@@Flower.Power.1996 it is about her just as much as it is about you. Hence the word "afro".
@@Flower.Power.1996 ignorant comment
Thank you! This is truly a great discussion point and beneficial constructive criticism. Oftentimes, it goes farther to explain from a place of understanding than just attack people especially when most of those people are ignorant about these issues or don’t understand how their behavior is problematic so they’re likely to just write those criticisms/attacks off. I had some awareness of the issue with appropriating AAVE but was struggling to understand its significance as an issue and this video really provided a lot of context for me. I almost cried watching the examples of the minstrel shows so I really appreciate you breaking down how modern appropriation of AAVE resembles that.
It’s common for other minorities especially lower income to use the same lingo interchangeably though it originated from Afro American culture. it makes sense as a Asia kid he gravitated towards theses crowds. He loves to be flamboyant. If his personhood is baked into his over the top exaggerated expressions . Who’s he hurting . Because he isn’t painting black people in a bad light or being a token black person. Nobody sees him as whit passing. So we have to ask our selves aren’t we tired of this token mentality? assimilating app to be humanized. We should be respected regardless. So in the end it doesn’t matter.
This brought me to tears.
Why?