It is better. We now have regulatory autonomy where EU law previously had primacy (exc. NI), enhanced discretion over EU migration and a more robust opt out from EU federalism (when were British public ever directly consulted on Maastricht, Lisbon or Accession of new members). Economics is not the be all and end all. Of course if more people believe life would be better inside the EU as opposed to what we have now, and that view is democratically expressed, I will accept that.
Disaster? Ask the farmers Ask the fishermen Ask the Steel workers I live in Belgium and it is easier to order stuff from China than from the UK. The Brits cannot seem to organise their exports properly and I get stung with admin charges for imports from the UK.
Royal Mail had automated custom forms that allowed easy custom declarations, a guy I work with had to close his own business down as they removed the option for this service, he contacted them and offered to pay to use it and they said it's just gone, no other option. It made exporting to many countries economically unviable for a small company with the endless hand filling in of repetitive long winded forms for the same item.
Sadly a lot of those industries people voted for Brexit because they “didn’t want someone in Brussels telling them what to grow” and I live in a farming community. What I don’t understand is WHY we cannot start to have new votes on rejoining the E.U so as soon as that door is opened we can go back. If the E.U falls apart and we all become independent autonomous states then we will be at huge risk of another war and a certain state invading Ukraine will swallow up half of the countries for breakfast. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS when you ask people to make a decision on the countries future who are not equipped to make any sort of logical or intelligent decision. You wouldn’t just allow people to drive cars without being taught and educated and then requiring an official test pass FIRST. So WHY do we allow anybody and everybody to vote and control the future of the country?? You should have to take an exam paper in order to vote imo.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. 4% drop in GDP is a major disaster for any nation
Peter starts quite reasonably (truth and reconciliation) but then can't help steer the conversation towards his ultimate goal: defending his 'disastrous' Brexit support against the irrefutable consequences of his decision. And yet he'll come away unfazed by his stupidity.
Exactly. The first part there involves admitting that things didn't happen as they were 'predicted' and that maybe we should rethink some of it. Suits me.
@@roathripper Okay fine, so let's just listen to the caller and admit that there was lots which then later didn't happen. Then learn some lessons from it about what he could have done, and what we should do in the future.
@jl-xs6ud The toxicity came from James. He always acts this way. Talks over his callers, does not allow them to get their point, be it right or wrong, across, then tries to claim the moral high ground. I’m not commenting on Brexit, I voted to remain, but James is the most odious man on radio. He thinks he is morally and intellectually superior to everyone, but is just the opposite.
How was this caller toxic? He tries to point out the fact that most of project fear projections never came to pass. But you remoaners don't like that, even nearly ten years later...
@@helentyrer3298 JRM says you have to wait *_FIFTY YEARS_* before seeing any Brexit benefit. is that what you mean "helen"? (you won't answer, of course. we all know you can't)
The mental gymnastics involved in turning this into a "there was wrong on both sides, let's just call it a draw" (as he seems to be trying to say). smh.
@@ronny-lb1cr I think it was more for leave and remain (as there were people from both parties on both sides). But yeah, the purpose of truth & reconciliation is generally to uncover the truth and move on. I think he just wants to do the second of those.
We had to close down our business, that employed 60 people, because of cheap imports from China brought in by America, with no protection from the EU. ( unlike the French wine makers) And because of new laws brought in by the EU we also had to pay the self employed salesmen an extortionate amount of money.
@@michaelclayton5124 If you do not like how the EU did that, paying millions to self employed salesmen, even if they were not, before Brexit, the scandal would be tough luck. The EU will not let you revesrse it back even if you elected the parties to try. After Brexit, you can now elect politicians and parties that agree that was wrong, and thus can now change the law to stop that. It gives the House of Commons full control of UK law making, and Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland have that control in their own lands with in the UK in any issue that arises in your Realms. Before, the EU could over rule your elected leaders. Now they have no authority to do so.
Caller: "Here's some things you said that turned out to be untrue" *Proceeds to lay out things that were never actually said but if they were said would also have been true*
OBrien wanted to have me and the unvaccinated put in camps complicit in the Draper Galloway Deception brings a Schill like Dom Jolly because he wouldn’t go near anyone that he had differing views to Dr Fauci Never Forget Never Forgive.
Peter is a confused simpleton who thinks he understands more than he does. He doesn't have any idea how little he knows, or how to apply the little knowledge he has.
They absolutely love to present their fictions as fact, and then relentlessly accuse whomever of denying their 'truth', and any 'discussion' thereafter goes round in circles
@@MyName-cw4yrWE'RE the problem for calling brexiteers out for their lies and denials? Can I enquire as to how you reached that conclusion? I'll put the kettle on.....
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp we could start by looking at the lies told by either side. We could look at any predictions which have proven to be VERY wrong and try and work out why. Do you not like things like that being investigated?
That's why I left UK and close my 2 restaurants in London . Now I'm in Spain and very happy with my wife and children . My wife is from Spain and I got now the Spanish passport . Peter is very representative of why I left.
By requesting a 'Truth and reconciliation committee' I think Peter wants people who wanted to remain in the EU, to accept they were wrong. In doing so this in some way might in some way alleviate the regret and guilt that Peter is now feeling for his vote to leave the EU. Peter, you won the referendum, just live with the guilt/shame and remorse that you now feel! You and 52 million others, are in a similar situation to you and are dealing with it. But please do not try and tell the people who have suffered and are suffering because of it, that Brexit was a success, with the occasional 'Pinch Point!' Seek help Peter
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jpwe haven’t lost. We won the first referendum and lost the second. We should have a best out of three. I wonder who’d win that one 🤔
Poor Peter, I am guessing there must have been some kind of emergency on the ward, that enabled him to get to a telephone. Let's all hope he has now been calmed and medicated.
I wasn't registered to vote at the time of the brexit vote, my opinion then was leave, but looking at how things are now, I've changed my views, BREXIT was a disaster FACT
I studied the EU structure and policies and pro's and cons of being a member solidly for months before voting. I still didn't fully understand things, so how on earth people could vote based off BS soundbites and scaremongering thrown at them by self serving politicians is beyond me. In the end I voted to remain as I could not see a way it would ever work and be a benefit to the UK!
The problem with these young people is that they have no life experience - those under 30 years of age should not be allowed to vote or indeed comment on any topic in my opinion
Theirs a lot of Peters who refuse to accept the reality of what they did voting for Brexit but their are far more who have understood the error of their ways and would reverse their decision in a heartbeat.
The damage was caused by our pro EU political establishment. If parliament was actually comprised of as many Eurosceptics as the electorate ( and we had a fit for purpose civil service) we would have got a much better deal. In fact, Brexit could have actually destroyed the EU which would be sensational
I'm usually a fan of James O'Brien but in this instance I think he should have gave the caller a chance to speak a bit more freely. I'd have been interested to listen to his view point without the constant shutting down of the caller.
I suspect that Peter is wrong about many things. But sniggering at him, hectoring him, talking over everything he tried to say and then finally fading him out really didn't enlighten anyone about anything.
Neither would have anything he had to say. How do I know? The droning-on, not engaging in conversation and fixating on a single word as any sort of proof compared to the other side's whoppers. That tells us that he was not interested in examining his own position and that he clearly expected the reconciliation to only happen on the opposite side.
@@blechtic Yeah, my point is that a strong rebuttal with a basic degree of civility would have enlightened listeners. This few minutes of bullying did not.
@@worldtraveller8604 Well, the initial strong rebuttal lead to the guy continuing to fixate on the point. He had plenty of chances to let it go and move on. He didn't take them. He could have simply said "I'll concede the point even though I think you're wrong". He did it to himself.
I know this is not really the point, but South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation was not about “all sides admitting to their lies, errors, and misjudgments.” It was about bringing the crimes of the apartheid government and its supporters into the light of day so that hopefully the nation could move on from them, rather than become enmeshed in an endless cycle of retribution. The idea that anti-apartheid activists had any “lies, errors, and misjudgements” to admit is frankly ridiculous on its face.
The fact that he is getting so annoyed about whether James said frictionless or tariff free trade goes to show he has nothing. Like that suddenly makes Brexit justified and ‘Remainers were wrong’. On one side - a list of things as long as your arm that have gone badly - on the other - something about a word that was used.
@andypc14 Really, I thought it was James who was all those things you accuse Peter of being. He is unable to have a civil conversation with anyone that he disagrees with. Giggling at a caller is both childish and provocative, as is not allowing his callers to finish their point, before telling them why, in his opinion, they are wrong. We, the listener, learnt nothing from that call, except James is a pathetic bully. If James is so confident in his beliefs, he should have allowed Peter to makes his points, before he corrected him.
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob James relies on evidence not the ideological garbage written in the Mail - do you read the Daily Mail. Wiki refuse to use it as a source of the truth!!
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob If asking someone for factual evidence of success rather than economic failure of Brexit is classified as bullying, your definition is off but seems curiously aligned with fabricated bile from the Daily Mail and mind of Paul Dacre
Peter, it was always said "free trade". The "tariff free trade" bit is what they explained to you after failing to get "free trade". And still, from the government website: The EU and UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement establishes zero tariffs or quotas on trade between the UK and the EU, where goods meet the relevant rules of origin. WHERE GOODS MEET THE RELEVANT RULES OF ORIGIN.
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvit’s impossible to meet them in a lot of cases because they need either a full mass balance inventory system or completely segregated storage. Not many SMEs can afford to add two ish members of staff, or have a spare store room they weren’t using. (Not saying you said this, but addressing a common retort Leave voters give me that those not able to follow the rules are somehow incompetent or lazy for not having the means to handle all the rules of global trade)
The guy's big gotcha was one word. That he wouldn't let it go and move on to his supposedly more salient points implies that it was the best he had. Yes, JO'B has his flaws but we all know about them. So, if a caller has important points they want to get across, they should know better than to pick a fight with Jimmy over some minor detail and get to the meat of the matter.
Peter no doubt thought that all predictions about the consequences of Brexit were just 'project fear'. Now that the predictions have come true he thinks that everyone agrees that they didn't. Peter, your reality denial has deeply damaged my country, and until you recognise the truth, I see no path to reconciliation.
Peter has never done any business outside the UK in his life has no idea about the shambles of importing & exporting goods that you have to go through now
@@Prophet_Google Take in consideration that we left a bit more than 4 and a half years ago, and immediately had a global pandemic. The U.K. saved over £96 billion because if we were in the eu that would have been our contribution to the eu covid recovery budget. However here are some benefits. Ended free movement, uncontrolled immigration from eu, where every eu citizen had the right to access social services, healthcare, education, housing creating a strain on all the above and infrastructure. Restored democratic control over our lawmaking. Restored the UK Supreme Court as the final arbiter of the law that applies in the UK. Ended the acceptance of ID cards for most EU nationals travelling to the UK. No longer paying EU Budget contributions. £57 billion more for our NHS. Delivering eight Freeports in England and at least one Freeport in each of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
@@Prophet_Google Back in control of our own VAT rates. Since the referendum in 2016, the UK has grown faster than Germany, Italy, and Japan and at a similar rate to France. Our services exports are at a record-high of £472 billion and the IMF predicts that between 2024-2028 the UK will see the third fastest growth in the G7 - stronger than France, Germany and Japan.
the reason right there that after 38 years in the UK............I LEFT BACK HOME!! to Portugal and I WILL NEVER set foot in the UK ever again..PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THE EU
He accused James O'Brien of making a claim. James asked him to justify that accusation. He refused to answer the question. If you make an accusation you should be able to justify it. Brexiters really need to become more honest - no one voted for this. But this is human nature, sadly. It's more comfortable to deny you were wrong than admit it.
Starting a business from the ground up in this country has become impossible. Unless you have significant financial backing to hit the ground running you have no chance . This country is fast becoming an opertunity graveyard.
It’s more than economic’s, we lost our European Rights and we lost most importantly, our freedom of movement which is so important to us younger generations and for people to retire the cheaper country. There’s no doubt that we are all worse off because of Brexit 😢
@@beetroot133 We're a third country now. You don't have freedom of movement and right to live anywhere in Europe. You now have to apply for a visa and do all the paperwork relevant to move to a foreign country. Straight up denial of the facts really doesn't count as an argument.
Brexit was a disaster for me. I started an electronics manufacturing company in 2012. We make innovative products. We exported to the EU. I got to see how easy it was to trade with EU countries. Then clueless idiots like Peter voted to leave the EU which made exporting a constant headache. My company is the type of company that people want; manufacturing, technology, R&D etc... This idiot would want my company. He's clearly too ignorant to understand the two things are at odds though.
As the caller said, some people who supported remain, such as Osborne, aren't economists, and got it wrong. Osborne got lots of things wrong, but it doesn't prove the other side right.
It is worth remembering that Remain’s predictions were predicated on Leave’s lie that it would trigger Article 50 immediately (24 June 2016) and leave the EU two years later (24 June 2018). In practice, it balked (ostensibly because of the damage such a move would have), triggering it on 29 March 2017, only leaving 31 January 2020, with a transition period to 31 December 2020. As of today, it still has not implemented all of the measures necessary for Brexit, including inbound border controls. The reality is that Remain were right, Leave panicked and went for a slow puncture rather than a blow out.
"Brexiters should admit their lies and mistakes, and remainers should admit to the lies and mistakes that we Brexiters are going to lie about you having made"
"Everything isn't quite so bad as expected" is now the Brexiteer's plimsole line of success.
It isn't it is worse
Yeah, we survived the war!
Yeah it went from: " Everything is going to be better" to "Well, the most important thing is sovereignty" to "It could have been a lot worse"
It is better. We now have regulatory autonomy where EU law previously had primacy (exc. NI), enhanced discretion over EU migration and a more robust opt out from EU federalism (when were British public ever directly consulted on Maastricht, Lisbon or Accession of new members). Economics is not the be all and end all.
Of course if more people believe life would be better inside the EU as opposed to what we have now, and that view is democratically expressed, I will accept that.
@@TheOutsider840 🤣🤣🤣
Disaster?
Ask the farmers
Ask the fishermen
Ask the Steel workers
I live in Belgium and it is easier to order stuff from China than from the UK. The Brits cannot seem to organise their exports properly and I get stung with admin charges for imports from the UK.
Ask the creatives. Second biggest sector in the UK economy.
Royal Mail had automated custom forms that allowed easy custom declarations, a guy I work with had to close his own business down as they removed the option for this service, he contacted them and offered to pay to use it and they said it's just gone, no other option. It made exporting to many countries economically unviable for a small company with the endless hand filling in of repetitive long winded forms for the same item.
Sadly a lot of those industries people voted for Brexit because they “didn’t want someone in Brussels telling them what to grow” and I live in a farming community.
What I don’t understand is WHY we cannot start to have new votes on rejoining the E.U so as soon as that door is opened we can go back.
If the E.U falls apart and we all become independent autonomous states then we will be at huge risk of another war and a certain state invading Ukraine will swallow up half of the countries for breakfast.
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS when you ask people to make a decision on the countries future who are not equipped to make any sort of logical or intelligent decision.
You wouldn’t just allow people to drive cars without being taught and educated and then requiring an official test pass FIRST. So WHY do we allow anybody and everybody to vote and control the future of the country??
You should have to take an exam paper in order to vote imo.
@@garethtaylor1470 You can blame 'Call me Dave' and his idea to unify the Tory party for that vote
@@daveturner4134thata more a comment on the state of the rest of the economy....
Peter has made my life and my childrens life poorer in every way. I dont like or forgive Peter.
👍
Old folks having lived their whole life in the EU vote leave, when their grandkids want to remain @@geoffpegler4506
You're obviously not a lorry driver. And not importing tomatoes from Spain has made the air your children breathe cleaner.
Who cares.
@@user-ir5wq6db8e so where do we import them from know?
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. 4% drop in GDP is a major disaster for any nation
Freedom is worth it.
@@gameofender4463 Freedom from what, exactly?
@@gameofender4463 Freedom of what ?
@@mihohobaba Freedom to make our own decisions, rightly or wrongly without the EU trying to enforce us to copy them.
@@violoncelo1000 Freedom to have only people we voted in the U.K, legislate in the U.K.
Peter Cognitive Dissonance from Dimwitshire.
Brilliant 😂
😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂 American living in Italy.
This isn't cognitive dissonance he's wrong but he fully believes he's right, that's just being wrong, there's no dissonance here.
majority voted for this its obvious James and LBC viewers are minority moaners😂😂
Peter starts quite reasonably (truth and reconciliation) but then can't help steer the conversation towards his ultimate goal: defending his 'disastrous' Brexit support against the irrefutable consequences of his decision. And yet he'll come away unfazed by his stupidity.
Exactly. The first part there involves admitting that things didn't happen as they were 'predicted' and that maybe we should rethink some of it. Suits me.
because james kept interrupting, he plays his callers for fools.
@@roathripper yep, that must be it XD
@@roathripper Okay fine, so let's just listen to the caller and admit that there was lots which then later didn't happen. Then learn some lessons from it about what he could have done, and what we should do in the future.
@@roathripperThis one is. Confirmation bias
Ah, it's Mr Dunning-Kruger on the line....
*Dunning-Kruger effect, NPD (when it comes to Brexit), confirmation bias...Peter is a walking tissue of logical fallacies.*
I think it may even be his dimmer brother.
Peter the Artful Dodger of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Never a straight answer.
@@Captain_Kremmen hahaha perfect, love it
His names James
"the toxicity is gone" then spends ten minutes being toxic 😂😂😂 I hope the caller hears himself
@jl-xs6ud
The toxicity came from James. He always acts this way. Talks over his callers, does not allow them to get their point, be it right or wrong, across, then tries to claim the moral high ground. I’m not commenting on Brexit, I voted to remain, but James is the most odious man on radio. He thinks he is morally and intellectually superior to everyone, but is just the opposite.
How was this caller toxic? He tries to point out the fact that most of project fear projections never came to pass. But you remoaners don't like that, even nearly ten years later...
Imagine that the Labour Party had lost 4 percent of gdp. The papers would be imploding
Would be interesting to see how many papers fell for it as an April fools day announcement… Would certainly highlight the double standards they employ
Time yet wait and see ….?
@@helentyrer3298 JRM says you have to wait *_FIFTY YEARS_* before seeing any Brexit benefit.
is that what you mean "helen"?
(you won't answer, of course. we all know you can't)
Give it time lol
That 4% is purely hypothetical.
Where is your proof that the UK GDP is 4% lower than it would have been?
Peter is in the Dark Ages . A man convinced of his own ignorance .
and he’s proud of it too😂😂😂
Convinced his own ignorance is inconsequential...
Peter walks away from this conversation still believing that ketchup is blue.
And nothing will change his mind.
Ketchup is blue! Or at least it was before we joined the EU!
Wait, was that passports?
Mum! Grandpa Pete's been putting Slush Puppy on his fish and chips again.
Rumour has it he’s still talking….
There was green tomato sauce for a short while
The Caller is more interested in
" proving " James wrong than making an actual point of fact . May the Gammon not be with you .
Gammon excellent Owen Jones uses that a lot and I’m disgusted at people using Eurononce Budgie Smuggler Bunnyboiler Totally Unnecessary.
Once you start down the derp path forever will it dominate your idiocy.
Lol. Someone trying to prove the other wrong by not talking fact. James never does that.
James is wrong going into the common market was the worst lie the war in Ukraine is a part of the lie
well James is and was wrong.he should admit that
The mental gymnastics involved in turning this into a "there was wrong on both sides, let's just call it a draw" (as he seems to be trying to say). smh.
This toasted brain suggested South Africa's Apartheid reconciliation as example for Tory and Labour to tell their wrongdoings.
@@ronny-lb1cr I think it was more for leave and remain (as there were people from both parties on both sides). But yeah, the purpose of truth & reconciliation is generally to uncover the truth and move on. I think he just wants to do the second of those.
Peter isn't just in the New Forrest. Peter is also in DENIAL.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
He’s swimming in Egypt.( or Paris. Take your pick)
New Forest is sometimes (and politically) a planet of its own 😬🤦🏼♂️🤷
@@highdownmartin He's 'out of the boat'
Surely that's in Egypt?
Peter is complicit in Breaking Britain
no majority voted for this its obvious James and LBC viewers are minority moaners😂😂
@@ravd8082 37.4% of the UK electorate voted to leave the EU.
@@powderedtoastfacekillah734 mass immigration broke Britain, not Brexit
@@e1239 austerity and brexit and people like you who were duped into voting against your own best interests broke Britain
Not immigration
@@e1239 Peter? Is that you?
It hurts to be highly educated and informed, it just hurts. 😢
These people and their ability to destroy lives in driving me crazy.
We lost 90% of our export business in our small SME due directly to brexit.
We had to close down our business, that employed 60 people, because of cheap imports from China brought in by America, with no protection from the EU. ( unlike the French wine makers) And because of new laws brought in by the EU we also had to pay the self employed salesmen an extortionate amount of money.
@@mick947 and how was that affected by brexit ?
@@michaelclayton5124 If you do not like how the EU did that, paying millions to self employed salesmen, even if they were not, before Brexit, the scandal would be tough luck. The EU will not let you revesrse it back even if you elected the parties to try.
After Brexit, you can now elect politicians and parties that agree that was wrong, and thus can now change the law to stop that. It gives the House of Commons full control of UK law making, and Wales Scotland and Northern Ireland have that control in their own lands with in the UK in any issue that arises in your Realms.
Before, the EU could over rule your elected leaders. Now they have no authority to do so.
Caller: "Here's some things you said that turned out to be untrue"
*Proceeds to lay out things that were never actually said but if they were said would also have been true*
The toxicity is strong in this one lord Vader.
@@chrissanders1027 The Force was always with Brexit, that is why you hate us.
The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am
Is it wrong to actually feel real animosity towards Peter?
No .
Hate is never acceptable. Learn to love and not hate. It’s a lot less exhausting!
OBrien wanted to have me and the unvaccinated put in camps complicit in the Draper Galloway Deception brings a Schill like Dom Jolly because he wouldn’t go near anyone that he had differing views to Dr Fauci Never Forget Never Forgive.
@@englishstark6100 So - you are a brexiter stiil in denail then?
Not anymore. I could feel sorry for the gullible during and shortly after the Brexit debacle but that time has long since passed.
Peter is a confused simpleton who thinks he understands more than he does. He doesn't have any idea how little he knows, or how to apply the little knowledge he has.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing....
Classic Dunning-Kruger sufferer.
Dunning Kruger effect
Peter knows best"all I want to know when will I get richer instead of getting poorer since we left the EU.Peter" when will I get the Brexit" benefit.
It's not 'knowledge' per se. Simply talking points his mates down wetherspoons wholeheartedly agree with
Sometimes when people don't answer a question, that refusal to answer is itself an answer.
They absolutely love to present their fictions as fact, and then relentlessly accuse whomever of denying their 'truth', and any 'discussion' thereafter goes round in circles
What are the odds that this caller is a 60+ old gammon??
With extra pineapple.
You can hear the pickled lard in his throat.
You guys are the problem....
@@MyName-cw4yrWE'RE the problem for calling brexiteers out for their lies and denials? Can I enquire as to how you reached that conclusion? I'll put the kettle on.....
majority voted for this its obvious James and LBC viewers are minority moaners😂😂
Brexit wasn't a disaster, it was worse than that..
I live in the New forest, tourism from the EU down, food prices up, farmers in trouble and small business having trouble selling goods
Rely on the Forest Fairies.
Yeah but blue passports trumps all that.... That's what REALLY counts (innit!)
We talk about body dismorphia, but never about brain dismorphia
Brexiters can't bear to think they are wrong and have been taken for a ride.
we need a public inquiry into Brexit just like the one we are having for Covid
An enquiry into what? Two sides put forward arguments. All eligible people were able to vote and leave won. Where is the conspiracy?
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jpThe enquiry can start with the lies the Leave side told, and who was financing those lies.
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp One side lied repeatedly.
Votes were cast on those lies. That's illegal.
Remember politicians saying “we’ll still be in the single market”! Lying toads.
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp we could start by looking at the lies told by either side. We could look at any predictions which have proven to be VERY wrong and try and work out why. Do you not like things like that being investigated?
That's why I left UK and close my 2 restaurants in London . Now I'm in Spain and very happy with my wife and children . My wife is from Spain and I got now the Spanish passport . Peter is very representative of why I left.
‘I got now the Spanish Passport’……
What Passport did you have when you were in the UK ?
He’s right, it hasn’t been a disaster. It’s been a catastrophe.
By requesting a 'Truth and reconciliation committee' I think Peter wants people who wanted to remain in the EU, to accept they were wrong.
In doing so this in some way might in some way alleviate the regret and guilt that Peter is now feeling for his vote to leave the EU.
Peter, you won the referendum, just live with the guilt/shame and remorse that you now feel!
You and 52 million others, are in a similar situation to you and are dealing with it.
But please do not try and tell the people who have suffered and are suffering because of it, that Brexit was a success, with the occasional 'Pinch Point!'
Seek help Peter
Brexit was a partial success. Our politicians and institutions have blocked it from further success.
Brexit is half of the problem, let’s be honest.
Or Brexit is a problem for half (or 48%) of people as they don't like losing
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp you’re absolutely right, we don’t like losing our standard of living. Which has greatly reduced since brexit.
@@jaypusha5554 Happened way before brexit, thats why we left
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jpwe haven’t lost. We won the first referendum and lost the second. We should have a best out of three. I wonder who’d win that one 🤔
@@BillyGoatScruff1000- lol, nice try 😂😂
Peter, wisdom and intelligence have been pursuing you throughout your life and so far you have managed to outrun them both.
The irony of a JOB listener saying that! You listen to the biggest bully and bigot on the radio...
Harsh but true 😅
There are no end of delusional people in this world. Crazy times.
Poor Peter, I am guessing there must have been some kind of emergency on the ward, that enabled him to get to a telephone. Let's all hope he has now been calmed and medicated.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I wasn't registered to vote at the time of the brexit vote, my opinion then was leave, but looking at how things are now, I've changed my views, BREXIT was a disaster FACT
I think Peter was out picking magic mushrooms in New Forest.
Don't brush all of us with the same mushrooms.
I miss these conversations when people have no clue what they are talking about come on national radio to show us all they are fools
I studied the EU structure and policies and pro's and cons of being a member solidly for months before voting. I still didn't fully understand things, so how on earth people could vote based off BS soundbites and scaremongering thrown at them by self serving politicians is beyond me. In the end I voted to remain as I could not see a way it would ever work and be a benefit to the UK!
Problem with SOME older people is that they are not realy involved in the economy anymore and they are being targated by by online and tabloid liars .
That's every LBC listener apart from the age
@@Dynasty1818What age? What does this even mean?
The problem with these young people is that they have no life experience - those under 30 years of age should not be allowed to vote or indeed comment on any topic in my opinion
Daily mail readers
He probably watches GB News and reads The Daily Mail taking them seriously.
What were the lies from remainers ? Im still yet to have any proven
People like this will never admit the truth, meanwhile I had a message off amazon earlier saying my order was delayed in customs.
Buy it from Singapore on Thames, not that Brazilian River.
Theirs a lot of Peters who refuse to accept the reality of what they did voting for Brexit but their are far more who have understood the error of their ways and would reverse their decision in a heartbeat.
The damage was caused by our pro EU political establishment.
If parliament was actually comprised of as many Eurosceptics as the electorate ( and we had a fit for purpose civil service) we would have got a much better deal.
In fact, Brexit could have actually destroyed the EU which would be sensational
I'm usually a fan of James O'Brien but in this instance I think he should have gave the caller a chance to speak a bit more freely. I'd have been interested to listen to his view point without the constant shutting down of the caller.
Unfortunately it's a characteristic of his personality that he cannot allow anyone to say that he is wrong about anything. He'll never change.
@@mark9748James did ask him what he thought it was that James had said wrongly.
@@leviathon2 Let’s be honest, James is crying tonight because the producer let this caller through.
Disagree, callers like this don't want to be held to account for the things they say so they are desperate to "move on" when it's not going their way.
@mark9748 You want a one way conversation then?
The truth, Peter is a fool.
I never cease to be amazed how willing people are to come on air and make complete fools of themselves!
And that is just James....
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp Wasn't aware that James phoned in his program.
@@FletchersFunnies-fd8jp And that is just James' moronic callers.
strange how callers like this are nearly always doddering old people...
I suspect that Peter is wrong about many things. But sniggering at him, hectoring him, talking over everything he tried to say and then finally fading him out really didn't enlighten anyone about anything.
Yes sadly just makes it more polarised, it’s a shame all the Peters out there can’t open their eyes to the facts of what has happened.
Neither would have anything he had to say.
How do I know? The droning-on, not engaging in conversation and fixating on a single word as any sort of proof compared to the other side's whoppers. That tells us that he was not interested in examining his own position and that he clearly expected the reconciliation to only happen on the opposite side.
@@blechtic Yeah, my point is that a strong rebuttal with a basic degree of civility would have enlightened listeners. This few minutes of bullying did not.
@@worldtraveller8604 Well, the initial strong rebuttal lead to the guy continuing to fixate on the point. He had plenty of chances to let it go and move on. He didn't take them. He could have simply said "I'll concede the point even though I think you're wrong".
He did it to himself.
@@worldtraveller8604 Peter wasn't bullied, he was pretty aggressive and once he got going would NOT shut up for a second.
There has been no rain in Manchester.
Peter should have his voting privileges revoked.
I know this is not really the point, but South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation was not about “all sides admitting to their lies, errors, and misjudgments.” It was about bringing the crimes of the apartheid government and its supporters into the light of day so that hopefully the nation could move on from them, rather than become enmeshed in an endless cycle of retribution. The idea that anti-apartheid activists had any “lies, errors, and misjudgements” to admit is frankly ridiculous on its face.
Is it? Nelson Mandela had no history of terrorism? Anti-aparthied 'activists' did no wrong whatsoever??
Arrogance and ignorance is a noisy street corner.
True that .
Then why do you listen to JOB muttering along to himself?
The fact that he is getting so annoyed about whether James said frictionless or tariff free trade goes to show he has nothing. Like that suddenly makes Brexit justified and ‘Remainers were wrong’. On one side - a list of things as long as your arm that have gone badly - on the other - something about a word that was used.
Remoaners claimed the whole country would be bankrupt by now, that house prices would have fallen by 30% etc etc.
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob sources please - who said the country would be bankrupt
Peter is a tool. And unable to disagree amicably. He was anxious, disruptive, distracting, contentious and void of fact …
@andypc14
Really, I thought it was James who was all those things you accuse Peter of being. He is unable to have a civil conversation with anyone that he disagrees with. Giggling at a caller is both childish and provocative, as is not allowing his callers to finish their point, before telling them why, in his opinion, they are wrong. We, the listener, learnt nothing from that call, except James is a pathetic bully. If James is so confident in his beliefs, he should have allowed Peter to makes his points, before he corrected him.
You need to listen again and see how JOB runs this conversation out of town to avoid facing awkward truths. He uses all his usual bullying tactics.
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob James relies on evidence not the ideological garbage written in the Mail - do you read the Daily Mail. Wiki refuse to use it as a source of the truth!!
@@HDSPKSRecords-gi1ob If asking someone for factual evidence of success rather than economic failure of Brexit is classified as bullying, your definition is off but seems curiously aligned with fabricated bile from the Daily Mail and mind of Paul Dacre
Not letting Peter speak makes James appear to have an agenda rather than truth seeking.
This guy lives in a bubble made of one way glass.
Peter, it was always said "free trade". The "tariff free trade" bit is what they explained to you after failing to get "free trade".
And still, from the government website: The EU and UK Trade and Cooperation Agreement establishes zero tariffs or quotas on trade between the UK and the EU, where goods meet the relevant rules of origin.
WHERE GOODS MEET THE RELEVANT RULES OF ORIGIN.
Lots of SMEs don’t even bother to do all the work needed for Rules of Origin, they find it easier to just pay the tariff.
@@RobinHarris-nf4yvit’s impossible to meet them in a lot of cases because they need either a full mass balance inventory system or completely segregated storage. Not many SMEs can afford to add two ish members of staff, or have a spare store room they weren’t using. (Not saying you said this, but addressing a common retort Leave voters give me that those not able to follow the rules are somehow incompetent or lazy for not having the means to handle all the rules of global trade)
@@productjoe4069Important points, not said often enough.
Peter very likely read the mail, times and telegraph and is too pig-headed to accept that Murdoch,’ and Dacre fooled him with nonsense media content
People who cannot cope with reality used to do drugs, now they phone into radio shows.
Disappointing that the admirable JO'B didn't give the guy a clear run at saying what he wanted to. I wanted to hear his points.
The guy's big gotcha was one word. That he wouldn't let it go and move on to his supposedly more salient points implies that it was the best he had.
Yes, JO'B has his flaws but we all know about them. So, if a caller has important points they want to get across, they should know better than to pick a fight with Jimmy over some minor detail and get to the meat of the matter.
Peter no doubt thought that all predictions about the consequences of Brexit were just 'project fear'. Now that the predictions have come true he thinks that everyone agrees that they didn't. Peter, your reality denial has deeply damaged my country, and until you recognise the truth, I see no path to reconciliation.
They Live. They walk amongst us 🙈 Jesus, I'm sure they live in the sticks with their head in the sand
And yet he still presents this show...worrying isn't it
@@DilbertWhitehead So witty. So courageous.
Peter has never done any business outside the UK in his life has no idea about the shambles of importing & exporting goods that you have to go through now
Peter seems to think that he should be allowed to Gish Gallop his way through the call without having to respond to his assertions.
If I don't stop talking.. he won't have a chance to say I'm wrong! ^^
No point in talking to him at all. Complete denial . Crazy guy 😂
Brexit brought us Johnson and Truss , enough said .
*Still waiting for a CREDIBLE benefit of Brexit!*
You'll be waiting forever.
@@TheStitchOutlands Hopefully better LATE than NEVER!
It cheered Peter up?
@@Prophet_Google
Take in consideration that we left a bit more than 4 and a half years ago, and immediately had a global pandemic. The U.K. saved over £96 billion because if we were in the eu that would have been our contribution to the eu covid recovery budget.
However here are some benefits.
Ended free movement, uncontrolled immigration from eu, where every eu citizen had the right to access social services, healthcare, education, housing creating a strain on all the above and infrastructure.
Restored democratic control over our lawmaking.
Restored the UK Supreme Court as the final arbiter of the law that applies in the UK.
Ended the acceptance of ID cards for most EU nationals travelling to the UK.
No longer paying EU Budget contributions.
£57 billion more for our NHS.
Delivering eight Freeports in England and at least one Freeport in each of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
@@Prophet_Google
Back in control of our own VAT rates.
Since the referendum in 2016, the UK has grown faster than Germany, Italy, and Japan
and at a similar rate to France. Our services exports are at a record-high of £472 billion and the IMF predicts that between 2024-2028 the UK will see the third fastest growth
in the G7 - stronger than France, Germany and Japan.
The usual "Give me an example"- either none or wrong examples by Gammons
For the non-Brits among us, what's a "gammon"?
@@jacqdanieles
It's a derogatory word for white patriots. 🏴 🇬🇧
@@muttley5958 thanks. I thought it was a ham leg 😄
@@muttley5958 lol "patriots".
the reason right there that after 38 years in the UK............I LEFT BACK HOME!! to Portugal and I WILL NEVER set foot in the UK ever again..PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THE EU
You can almost smell the gammon...
Peter is the problem.
James is correct on substance but he could have let Peter speak and then fact check him.
Sadly as someone from The New Forest there are many people like him.
He accused James O'Brien of making a claim. James asked him to justify that accusation. He refused to answer the question.
If you make an accusation you should be able to justify it. Brexiters really need to become more honest - no one voted for this. But this is human nature, sadly. It's more comfortable to deny you were wrong than admit it.
Brexit caller to LBC:
"I'm going to call in to a national radio show spew falsehoods, ignorance and embarrass myself in front of the nation"
We're not gonna make it are we? People i mean........
'it is in your nature to destroy yourselves...'
Starting a business from the ground up in this country has become impossible. Unless you have significant financial backing to hit the ground running you have no chance . This country is fast becoming an opertunity graveyard.
James, just let them talk. Even if they are wrong
We don't like liars and fools talking thanks
@@jeremymerrifield7244 I wouldn't know if he was lying as didn't hear what he had to say
Fact - the majority of comments support James!
He would have if he answered James's question.
Hey, I'm a remain voting labour member, I'm just saying it's annoying when guests/callers are talked over before they can even make a point to dispute
It’s more than economic’s, we lost our European Rights and we lost most importantly, our freedom of movement which is so important to us younger generations and for people to retire the cheaper country. There’s no doubt that we are all worse off because of Brexit 😢
😂
Cry more
You can still travel without hindrance and retire I have many friends in France,Spain and Portugal that are retired....next
@beetroot133
Emphasis on already retired.
@@beetroot133 We're a third country now. You don't have freedom of movement and right to live anywhere in Europe. You now have to apply for a visa and do all the paperwork relevant to move to a foreign country. Straight up denial of the facts really doesn't count as an argument.
To Peter, saying you've answered the question is not an answer to the question 🙄
He’s afraid the caller is going to be right so he just talks over him. Let him make his point.
Brexit was a disaster for me. I started an electronics manufacturing company in 2012. We make innovative products. We exported to the EU. I got to see how easy it was to trade with EU countries. Then clueless idiots like Peter voted to leave the EU which made exporting a constant headache. My company is the type of company that people want; manufacturing, technology, R&D etc... This idiot would want my company. He's clearly too ignorant to understand the two things are at odds though.
People like him are still in total denial of all the problems that Brexit has caused
What problems?
@@georgebain5734 I hope that your reply was sarcasm not ignorance
James O'BRIEN "I was working for the BBC ..I was impartial..."... Now that is funny
What did the remain campaign get wrong!?
Please let me know.
Now
Can he explain one thing the leave campaign got right!?
The trusted that leave would debate facts , and not push a fiction..
" _What did the Remain Campaign get wrong ?_ "
Most of them believed the UK would rejoin after another Referendum or a change or Government.
They thought everyone were middle class w⚓️ like themselves.
@@clario2178 Brilliant. Cos the working class don't need money? Have they converted to communism and I was in the Westminster bubble and missed it?
As the caller said, some people who supported remain, such as Osborne, aren't economists, and got it wrong. Osborne got lots of things wrong, but it doesn't prove the other side right.
"I was working for the BBC at the time, so I was scrupulously impartial ..." ... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
james caught caught out and HATES it. you can tell
what a clown
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It is worth remembering that Remain’s predictions were predicated on Leave’s lie that it would trigger Article 50 immediately (24 June 2016) and leave the EU two years later (24 June 2018). In practice, it balked (ostensibly because of the damage such a move would have), triggering it on 29 March 2017, only leaving 31 January 2020, with a transition period to 31 December 2020. As of today, it still has not implemented all of the measures necessary for Brexit, including inbound border controls. The reality is that Remain were right, Leave panicked and went for a slow puncture rather than a blow out.
Did Peter climb out of his hole yet, or was it too deep?
What he means is:
I’m alright jack.
Might as well have been the Tory motto for the last decade.
"Brexiters should admit their lies and mistakes, and remainers should admit to the lies and mistakes that we Brexiters are going to lie about you having made"
the delusion is strong in this one skywalker.
Love brexit calls
Oh the fade out at the end! Priceless! 🤣 🤣 🤣
Somebody lost his farmer friends. And rightfully so. Angry bitter and ignorant.
Peter spent a lot of time arguing tariff free or frictionless. But it’s disastrous for businesses either way.
Un polite by James
These people are an absolute mess 😂