James O'Brien hosts 'Tories-only' phone-in | LBC
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- Опубликовано: 14 янв 2024
- With a recent YouGov poll suggesting the Tories are facing a 1997-style general election wipeout, Conservative callers tell James O'Brien why they will no longer be voting Tory.
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As a working class man it drives me mad fellow working class keep voting Tory, they couldn’t give a toss about them and they still do it.
Because B R E X I T They appear to have forgotten what absolute S*** the Tories are where I live in parts of Rotherham. The part where the Battle of Orgreave took place. Where the army was disguised as Police and allowed to cavalry charge striking miners like some medieval battle. And the current lot are 10x worse.
It both drives me mad and breaks my heart for them.
If you're a working man who followed the tory path; bought shares from Sid and Beatty, sold them straight back to the bank. Bought your council house at a 80% discount, set up your own business, etc. You've probably done OK out of them, and the country. Now the chickens are home to roost, but we sold the coop.
Critical thinking is a crucial skill, but many individuals might not have the time or education to practise it effectively. They often fail to question the underlying motives of society or to ask themselves, "Am I being misled?" This capability to scrutinise information critically is a skill that those in the higher echelons of society are typically well-trained in.
This caller perfectly illustrates the issue: they present a problem and then suggest a drastic solution, such as banning foreigners, without demonstrating the critical thinking necessary to fully understand and consider the facts.
@@sod16 Exactly. This is why Farage was so impactful. He was on every show addressing every problem with a one word reply "Immigrants". This served to abbreviate the issues that people wanted to discuss. And when you've only got seconds to ask a question on programs like QT, people use the short-hand language that is offered by the authoritative figures.
Does that make sense?
"I voted to be poorer". You've got to wonder what he uses for a brain, I just hope he enjoys his sovereignty.
voted to be poorer and doesn't have a job.
Racism is a helluva drug.
They call him bullet bill 😂
He's got his pints of wine and champagne
He may be a multi millionaire. So he’s not bothered
The first guy was a classic case of working class people voting Tory .
The problem is he can't understand why he votes Tory and brushes it aside .
Sadly the left also suffers this problem honestly believing that Labours flag waving, anthem singing, candidate white washing and commitment to every Tory policy going is just a gimmick to get into power.
So people cant vote for who they want?
It's the equivalent of a billionaire voting for the socialist workers party .
He can vote for who he wants, but he should be able to explain WHY he votes that way. He couldn't.
Except in his case, he wasn't working 😂😂
Cognitive dissonance of the first caller was epically funny you can hear his brain start hurting when forced to think about his reasoning.
He just couldn’t manage it though. You could almost hear the short circuit.
You can have lower immigration but you need higher taxes to pay for the social and physical infrastructure needed to support it
Its a much more managed economy completely Alien to Conservative Thatcherism
Boeing wants to give him a job, as a false door installer.
You could almost hear the grinding and error warning sounds as his tiny brain froze 😂
Yeah, I just wish James would have let him actually try to get his point across, however potentially inconsistent. It's interesting to hear the response once James pushed back... But then, as too often, we never really do, because James insists on his framing and too quickly interrupts the callers.
Not one area in our apsect of life has improved in the last 14 year under these Tory grifters. Not one.
ITS ALL THE FOULT OF THEM BLUDEE LEFTEYES
@@Kwashior Not forgetting that Germany Corbinladen bloke.
Not one? But that's only because _you_ don't have a 7 digit bank balance. If you did then you would be laughing all the way to the rigged polling stations.
Multimillionaires might have a different opinion and they can afford to buy the government they want, and usually do.
Anyone who votes Tory really need medical care .
Reform, the party for Brexiters who refuse to admit that they got us into this mess.
Exactly, 100% correct, it boggles the mind
No, the Members of Parliament got us in the mess!!
@@Wiggle65 Farage wasn't an MP, and he had a huge hand in it
I often spend some time on the faceache reform page,adding the odd comment or 3.😂
@@Wiggle65 The Tory MPs got us into this mess .
I’m not sure that the conservatives have ever had any humanity or empathy for anyone.
Only the status quo. I think the clues in the name.
Yeah that kinda floored me I have to admit
Was that ever under question??
My father used to say Labour gives but the Tories take things away again. Never more true than that today.
Absolutely true.heartless is an understatement.
Not this unemployed dude complaining about people not working 😂😂 dude is on the dole mad at the immigrants coming and working. 😂😂
Schroedinger's Brexiteer
2 simple rules for life;
No.1 - Never trust a tory
No.2 - Never forget rule number 1
Never trust a politician full stop, they are all as bent and corrupt as each other.
Brilliant and perfectly put!
👏👏👏
&3never trust a Starmer Labour Party vote both out
that first caller shows how deluded the country is
er, no
TBF James' argument was disingenuous (economic growth tied solely to immigration) there are loads of other factors (for context I won't be voting)
"You're putting words in my mouth," translates as, "You're clarifying my stock phrases, gleaned from numerous right-wing tabloids, and explaining exactly what they actually mean."
I've just had a similar exchange with someone who said that holding an unreasonable prejudice against a specific group didn't mean he was a bigot, when that is literally the exact definition of bigot as described in the dictionary.
You're right. But I confess I am biggoted against Tories!!!
What was the group? 🤔
@_____alyptic some American who objected to trans people serving in the military or in politics because he thought they were mentally ill. He said he'd deny them the right to have careers in those areas because he didn't like the trans community. I pointed out that the military accepts people on merit and on their ability to do the job (there's a number of trans individuals currently working for the US military). I said that if a trans person worked in politics, then people could choose not to vote for them or the party they work for. But he disagreed and said laws should be passed to deny them the opportunity. That's bigotry.
I have collected similar ones in different contexts. I especially like, "I am not a chauvinist; I just think things were better when women had fewer impact on public affairs", and "Why are you calling me a religious fundamentalist? I am just a theist who sincerely believes. Yes, all gods except mine are demonic."
There is nothing more dangerous than a deluded Tory, as recent has shown with their erroneous beliefs. Thank you James for providing your educational services in the way that you do. Please continue in order for us to have hope.
Couldn't agree with you more .
James is the light at the end of a very dark tunnel . 7:18
True. Point is that 98% of the Tories who wield power have generational wealth and influence that means they are totally immune to any fluctuations in the economy. So their understanding of it
and their motivation to do anything about it are both minimal.
You're wrong I found the people more dangerous and deluded, LABOUR VOTERS!!
Gave you a like but respectfully disagree. People like Rees-Mogg are way more dangerous. Very highly educated, always working an angle to prove he's right, no matter how wrong, and he gets in powerful people's ear like Grima Wyrmtongue
"Deluded Tory" is redundant.
I love how these fools ring in and just make your show even funnier. I love how you use simple logic and common sense to floor them
They say they'll never vote tory again... But you can bet your bottom dollar .. come the election .. They will vote Tory..
And they have every right to do in a democracy!
@@chatham43 They might as well have “kick me” signs on their backs, probably like you.
who the **** would vote to make themselves poorer?! Jesus me...
someone with more money than sense I think
I would, if it meant the money was going to improving society. But not when the money is going into some rich guy’s Swiss bank account
Jesus, these people get the vote! 🙄
So do Corbynistas!!
@@Wiggle65Lol bringing up Corbyn 😂 this is about the lunatics who are continuing to wreck our country - Tories.
@@faithpearlgenied-a5517Sorry, I didn't know you're in charge of what can and cant be discussed? And discussing the lunatic loony left that ALSO get to vote!!😉
@@Wiggle65 What don't you like about the lunatic loony lefts policies?
@@Wiggle65Loony lefties didn’t crash the economy and substantially lower everyone’s quality of life in this country through massive public policy failures. The main reason the voting power of these people is concerning is because they sit on the receiving end of an unequal and exploitative system that they help to perpetuate through cognitive dissonance; “loony lefties” as you describe them know exactly what they’re voting for, which according to you is loony lefty policies.
"Economy aside." The second caller is bonk&rs. Thev economy is a basket case due to the Tories being economically illiterate for thev last 45 years.
Fully agree. The actual _thought_ that any country can be run like _a business_ is, in itself, hilarious.
If you wish it to be a basket case..if will become a basket case.😊
Tories will be blamed for the catastrophe that is Brexit.
And they should be as they are directly complicit in it.
As is right, as they are the one that inflicted it on the country to win the GE.
Rightly so!
I should think so too. They are responsible for it.
@@Targanielle Agreed. |It was never for our benefit and more to do with settling party in fighting and dodging a tax avoidance directive. They have done nothing unless it benefits them directly.
The Europeans all felt unwelcome when we voted Brexit, millions left and all these service sector jobs are left empty.
A lot of that can be blamed on covid . most of the East Europeans I know would have stayed a couple of years after brexit. They didn't want to be here during the lockdowns.
@chrisj9700 I personally know 3 people who left within 3 months of Brexit. These are people in financial services jobs. We lost people to Germany and the Netherlands because they didn't feel welcome here
@@lordvadertheleftie9703all 3 people aye??!!
@@chrisj9700 My neighbours moved back to Europe because their kids reached shool age and they didnt want them to be confronted with daily xenophobia in UK at school on daily bases because of their accent.
@@chrisj9700
"WERE"
Not "are"
You,...."... WERE one of the most tolerant countries in Europe if not the world"*
Stop deluding yourself that the Britain you grew up in, that you perceived as being "one of the most tolerant countries in Europe if not the whole world"* is the same Britain of today or even of Brexit, almost a decade ago.
*And it's not even for you to make that claim.
It's like someone claiming "I'm the kindest person in the whole world. Eveyrone knows this." Or even worse, "I'm the most humblest and modest person you'll ever meet."
If you really were you wouldn't need to say it.
Everyone else would.
Particularly the ones leaving after something like Brexit.
Bill made me cackle out loud 🤣 hilarious!
"You're putting words in my mouth!"
"OK, so what do you want to say?"
"err, goodbye!"
I wish they'd left in the few words James added after Bill put the phone down. It was hilarious
He nearly made me cry, because he is not a bad guy, but he is deluded and there are millions like him.
Brexit has broken Britain - as one well-known writer has written!
Yes, migration from Europe was more transitory i.e. Europeans came here to fill gaps in and in some cases undercut the local market but didn't stay for the most part.
Transitory or not, immigration is necessary. @@markdenton8027
Funny how after some fairly light questioning it all boils down to immigration. I’d have more respect if they just said they voted brexit because they don’t like foreigners
No you wouldn't!
The key question is whether their arguments are true or not. Whether they like foreigners or not is neither here nor there.
@@chatham43 At minimum a person can respect that they were honest for the first time in their lives.
you have never posted an honest opinion on here in years
@@chatham43you have never posted an honest opinion on here in years
I've lived overseas for over 30 years now but have been saddened, and at times shocked, by decisions made by British politicians and the public alike over the last 14 years. As an ex-pat that still holds great affection for the UK, PLEASE vote the Tories out next time. You deserve so much better. Thanks in advance
We can vote in the next election Jes! Just have to contact the last constituency you lived in. 😊
That cracked me up get all the people not working back to work lol except him because he's happy to be poorer for the benefit of the economy in general lol. He has a vote that's the most frightening part of it all.
That's the consequences of not going to school,(poor bill).
These ppl live in cloud cuckoo land
I wish they could
Population in the UK grew massively between 1900 and 1960. Would be nice if just for once these people could offer a substantiated argument that had some sort of factual basis rather than "this sounds about right to me so I'm going to say it".
I thought it was pretty funny that he chose a time period that overlapped The Baby Boom, and also showed quite plainly how important a workforce is when so much of it went off to war and some of which never came back, and also showed the greatest increase in survival rates due to enhancements in medicine in history.
I had to laugh at that. There was a reason we had to bring in foreign workers after WWII - There wasn't enough workers to fill the jobs. I imagine the arguments were pretty similar then.
Completely forgetting the impact of technological advancements aswell.
growth of population and immigration aren't necessarily the same. especially when WWII had a massive impact on it. But one unideological fact would be: last year more people immigrated into this country than in the entire decade of the 90s. It's not solely a question of whether stating this fact makes one bigoted (which in itself is a ridiculous thing to even consider). But whether this level of immigration can be realistically dealt with on economic, social and systematic levels. This is not a simple binary
Yet even now, there are so many who will still vote for the very nasty party.
There are a lot of nasty people out there unfortunately , they get off on it.
@@willrobertsmith
And how. Alarmingly they seem to be increasing in number too.
In fact they are a " number two".
Let's not pretend that being "nasty" is a uniquely Tory characteristic. Just try disagreeing with members of the hard left about basically anything and watch how irrational rage and hatred consumes them. @@willrobertsmith
Some of these callers, make Liz Truss sound like Einstein.
o'brien licking his lips and sharpening his claws.
An absolute tap in for him
Oh how the rabble cheered when King James the Privileged rounded up the poor and disadvantaged to mock them for their lack of education
It's like the sh8te we're going through doesn't even appear on their radar ?
Bill didn't need James to tie him up in knots he did it all by himself. 😂
You can not reason someone out of a position, they were not reasoned in to.
Well said
What's sad is that this isn't new. In 1987 working class Tories voted for lower immigration whilst ignoring the poll tax which was skillfully hidden in the manifesto. "I don't mind being poorer" until it actually happens
Immigration was not an issue in 1987. It was not on the scale that it is now.
Oh dear. Poor Bill. 🤦
Bill has too much time on his hands get him in work. These workshy tories 🙄
Was that Paul Whitehouse on the second call??😂😂
The 1st caller was the classic example of a blind guide dog having no clue where it’s going.
And of course, as we all know:
Left wing means prioritising public rights over corporate rights
Right wing means prioritising corporate rights over public rights
And your overall political leaning is based on how those two do or don't balance.
We all know this, right? Imagine people throwing out 'the left' and 'the right' as pejoratives with wild abandon like they think they know what they mean but actually don't. That would never happen, right?
If that's how you're judging it then Labour are more right wing than the Tories.
Labour is also a pro corporate party...there is no more representation for normal people.
You're a case in point as you clearly don't know what 'the left' or 'the right' mean either
@@steveblundell7766 If I'm wrong, then what is the correct definition? I'd really like to know.
@@steveblundell7766please correct him then.
A word to the wise. Capitalism was founded on slavery. When slavery was abolished, the system was sustained by cheap labour. When working people unionised, immigration became the third iteration of the Capitalist model. Britain became great on the backs of slavery and trade. The end of immigration signals the end of Britain.
🤣🤣🤣 nothing to do with that. If you want growth you need immigration due to population ageing
🤣🤣🤣 nothing to do with that. If you want growth you need immigration due to population ageing
@@Speedkam You're disagreeing whilst saying the same thing.
Combined with globalisation, where poverty wages can be paid elsewhere by global companies that can choose where and when they pay tax. Next stop will be almost full automation, where, under the current model, the few get even richer and the many aren't employed at all. And there the broken model collapses because the many can't buy the goods of the few. So the state hands out money to go the businesses of the rich and the right screams socialism.
I quite like idea of communism
Working class keeps voting tories and then asks why are we poorer enjoy the outcome of your votes.
Ahhhh. There goes another brexiter angry at himself. 😂😂
It is possible to grow the economy without immigration: you increase growth rate, but to do that requires affordable child care, cheaper houses and better paid jobs.
Nah the leftwing scam of the pyramid scam is too strong.
And....errr..... _people_ to work in the childcare sector and construction. Don't you see that? If you don't have the workers you can never have the results of _their_ non-existent work. Catch 22.
@RobinHarris .. pick up on “better paid jobs” .. for whom? You sound like BoJo at the Conservative Party Conference. Who does the “lesser paid jobs” to allow those go get “better paid jobs” ie child care? Cheaper houses ?? Dream on.
Pssst,........
The people that (largely) work in child care to make it "Affordable" and in construction to build houses and make them "cheaper",........are...........wait for it.......
Immigrants.
@@darrylsimpson4744 what are you on about?
Look at the facts, wages have stagnated massively over the last 15 years, at least they have for lower earners.
Look at how wages have changed:
Nurse 2010 £22,000
Nurse 2024 £26,000
CEO of a big business, principal of a university, head of a council
2010 £150,000
2024 £400,000
Where do you think the problem lies?
Love to the family 😂😂
Excellent reference 😄
Gutted Colin wasn't on.
The caller said we didnt have population growth between 1900 and 1960.We did. The population grew by about 30% and that with two world wars killing off significant numbers of men and women too. The growth rate was a lot higher in that period than it has been in modern times.
People of working age people, 18 - 67 has never been a smaller proportion of the population than now. There may be more people in the group but the number each one of us in that demographic has to support is the highest ever and rising. The only age group rising as a proportion of the population is over 67s. Nothing against that age group, I love my parents, but a little bit of self awareness goes a long way when they're trying to stop people coming here to help me shoulder their burden
Before the Tory’s pension age was 65.
I take your point. However AI plus ever increasing amounts of automation and the movement of jobs abroad will surely make it difficult to provide jobs for all that need them - including the immigrants we currently need. We have a lot of people struggling either on poverty wages or no wages who need a future (yes James - I do actually interact with such people). A balanced strategy needs to be enacted to manage the way forwards.
Don’t put the over 67’s in a bracket .. I’m 75 .. ardent, passionate remainer who in 2016 literally fell out with neighbours and friend who stupidly voted leave. I’m not anti-immigrant. I know about kindertransportion, Windrush. I know the Tory home office are worse than useless. I know Brexit made everything worse.
Don't worry - life expectancy in the UK plateaued under the 2010 Tory / Lib Dems and has fallen a few years under the subsequent Tory governments.
The great flaw in your plan is that those helpers will get old too. What do we do then - import more helpers to look after them?
Laughing from Ireland .. thanks Bill
Is that supposed to be significant.😀
Oh dear Bill! There's none so blind as those that will not see.
I don’t know why O’Brien argues with the intellectually and morally bankrupt.
There no point arguing with informed voters they don't vote to make us all worse off
How true!
He never debates anyone who knows how to argue.
He didn't argue with him. He gave Bill some valid points and made him think about them. I think Bill was getting angry at himself.
@@jannenreuben7398Why don't you 'phone then and let us hear your sparkling debating skills?
It's not what enters a man that defiles a man, but what comes out of him that defiles him......
Oh how I laughed listening to Bill getting all frustrated and indignant "you keep telling me what I'm saying!" 🤣🤣🤣 Who did Bill think he was talking to? Anyone who calls in and doesn't come prepared for James to run rings around them is seriously deluded - but then I think Bill is probably in a constant state of delusion anyway.
This is Comedy Gold !! you probably won't believe this but here down in Australia we have exactly the same thinking and many of them are people who came here escaping Thatcherism !!!
We have Kiwis like that too here in OZ. They hate their own government then cry when they don't like what our government does. And most Kiwis here aren't even citizens
Why most people think that immigrants only hold low skilled pay jobs ??? What about all the minimum income thresholds to be granted visa ? What about foreign students ? Really wish this was more communicated.
Why you think that most people think that?
@@steveblundell7766 Because they're dumb?
James O'Brien was dishonest here. The caller said he thought people stuck on benefits were victims of tory immigration policy and James turned it round and accused him of saying the state of the economy was the fault of people on benefits.
He used his own argument against him and won.
@@alfsmith4936 It wasn't his argument though is my point. If you think someone is a victim of something, that's the opposite of thinking they are responsible for that thing.
The caller may well be wrong to blame tory immigration policy for the state of the economy, but James should have addressed that argument, not attack him for something he didn't say.
@@alfsmith4936 O'Brien used a strawman argument
Spot on form James!
Im glad these people do ring in....but why do they? Why do they ring up and have absolutely nothing but clichés and nonsense?
It shouldn't be called the Sunak government; it should be renamed the Sunk government. Any pretensions to being "a government of integrity, accountability and professionalism" is now at an end. It has completely lost its way and has left the whole country in a Slough of Despond.
This sums up a decades of my life. The words, banging, head, brick & wall. Come to mind. You can bet , despite all the claims to have fallen out of love with Tories. They would come bounding back with open arms, with a sweetener or two. Or will just vote for them anyway, because they will be okay, no matter what.
Wish we had this level of journalism in SA. Man what a treat.
eh?
Unfortunately it's still regarded as kind of on the sides, it's on radio and edgy. Even the right wing presenters have slowly opened their eyes and started talking back - however ultimately it isn't TV and is still a minority opinion.
That’s ok, it’s still a platform where your average citizen can listen to level headed conversations on a topic.
Radio here often has people calling in, saying their peace and it’s left there which lends itself to sensationalist getting the spotlight. It would be nice to have a show that genuinely pokes holes and interrogated the views of both sides even if it’s fringe.
This isn't journalism, it's the equivalent of The X Factor or Britain's Got Talent where a smug, privileged judge gets to mock the uneducated poor
@@steveblundell7766 "mock the uneducated poor"....someone has to do it LOL
Sometimes ,James ,I honestly believe your intelligence is truly wasted on the Bills in this country,keep it going mate .it's brilliant radio .👍👍👍👍
The funniest thing is a brexiteer using Scottish independence as an example to follow, not realizing they voted to leave the UK to REJOIN the EU...you cant make this stuff up.
This is what happens when you are confronted by your own stupidity 😅😅😅
No. There’s no point now, you made sense out of my nonsense and I don’t wanna play anymore. 😂
Absurd claim by James that economies can only grow through immigration and population growth. Clearly has no understanding of gdp per capita growth through increasing productivity.
Indeed, well said
Its absurd to think you can just squeeze productivity out of the workforce forever. Thats so dumb and greedy capitalist view
Love your show James
Oh my goodness and he gets the vote
I almost choked my coffee when the first Tory caller admitted that he doesn't work either 😂😂😂
The population of the UK in 1900 was 37 million, in 1960 it was 52 and a half million. I'd argue that's a fairly vast increase.
Brilliant!!! The weak minded were, and continue to be, so easily influenced!!
@brianward....we need the middle class elite left to show them the way forward!
The loudmouth on the bus springs to mind.
....and most of the working classes travel on buses.😊
Bill is a legend😂😂😂😂
a b s o l u t e 😂🤣✊🏿💯
Alf Garnett still lives 🤣🤣
Fabulous!
😂
Bill, paying the bills…
More like we’re paying his bills seeing as he doesn’t work!
Why did we have the windrush if we dont need imagrants to work and pay tax .
This is too ludicrous to be true. Are you sure this isn’t a set up??
Of course it is, they screen the callers before letting them on the show. They don't have eloquent people who disagree with O'braindead on.
We need to be encouraging young couples to have more kids.
The answer are low tax rates.
If you are not allowed to vote until you are 18 because you dont understand the word, you should not be allowed to vote after you retire because you don't understand the world! So much power in the hands of people who should not have it.
James O'brien, you're brilliant! Your audience is hilarious!!🤣😂🤣
Omg. That mug. Cracked me up!
This is funny😂😂
Bill's not of this world
Soon
At 10:36
Runner: how big do you want your tea James?
James: yes
The people must not give the conservatives a seat for what they have done to the people in the last 14years if we would have been invaded we would have been crushed
They are all a shambles regardless of the party. It concerns me that people have to pick a side to root for. Why? When they are all horrendous.
How do I get one of those mugs?!! 🤩
You mean buckets, the size of that thing 🤣
James??
Why would anyone speak to this .
Bill displaying classic symptoms of Dunning-Kruger.
Wow the 1993 Canadian Federal Election was quite something. Thanks first caller for bringing that to my attention.
There are a lot of local people who are claiming benefits as a life choice. No illness or disability, just using a system. We need a caring country to look after thoes who are truly in need.
Get it off your chest Mr Meldrew!
'there we are'
It's like shooting fish in a barrel...
Pretty soon it will be people complaining about James's darling, Kid Starver.
i'm glad he said English workers.
Yet another sharp reminder that referendums are a bad way to do politics.
.... "English people". 👀 This is why we love ya -wales 🤦
Wow that first caller was really embarrassing 😂😂😅
Total smoke show! U destroyed his nonsense positions. Got em'😂
Only really found this out this morning , feeling truly suicidal
Above my pay grade squire 😂
(brilliant)
Voting is above your pay grade squire