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Wow. After 30 years of hearing it wrong and never being able to hear it right and losing one when the intro solo comes in, you've made it clear. Cathartic.
You can hear Jimi himself count it in on this album: “Voodoo Child: The Jimi Hendrix Collection.” It’s an alternative mix of the original studio recording that includes his count in. He starts the song on 3&, which confirms what is said in this video.
Just recently discovered this song and me being me and always trying to find the bpm and count for every song I listen to, it was fun to nerd out and watch your video and read some of these comments. Thank you for this video!
I've been drumming a long time and this intro always drove me crazy...I have a few Hendrix drum covers but this one I stayed away from because of that intro. Now I may do it! Thanks for clearing it up. Starting on the "and" of 3 makes sense. The snare lands on 2 & 4 as it should.
If you wanna properly count it out and still have the guitar solo fit the phrasing of beats the way he normally plays then it’s starting on the & of three and there’s just that 9/8 bar at the end of the solo
I was never aware of the differencies of counting this song, I think point the lead guitar starts make sure that this is the only reasonable way to count, because u can keep the measure.
The way David does it means the notes are naturally phrased just like they are in the recording. In the recording the 2nd eighths are the strongest, but with the three eighth Ana cruces, the 4th eighth is the strongest. With the 9/8 bar you stitch both together and it sounds better.
Yet another Brilliant clip thankyou Simone. This one to help us beginners understand actually what and how Anacrusis works in General. As you and I explored a few months back another good example of the Anacrusis is at the start of the song La Bamba, (lots of versions of this song available also.) With La Bamba I believe the first sound comes in on the 3+ of beat 3. therefore rest of 5/8ths before playing begins.
I’ve always heard and played it this way naturally…it’s a riff that never feels at ease, like everlong or glycerine. So, to me that feels we’re shifting chords ahead of the beat. Pearl Jam does this in Black chorus and it requires a nifty drum fill to get us back to feeling 4/4 even tho we never really left it.
Your way of feeling it is definitely the correct one. This can be easily confirmed by the way the song continues. I originally heard it the way David Bennett transcribed it (because that's how the changes in harmony made me hear it), but realized that it is wrong because this way you have a weird time signature change that doesn't really need to be there. Also, the same pattern continues behind the drums, so adding an extra 8th note to one of the bars simply makes it more complicated than it needs to be. After I figured out the correct way of counting it, I can't really even hear it in the way I used to hear it. It's kind of the same as Highway to Hell by AC/DC that also starts on the and of 3. But without the drum beat in the background, it sounds a bit like it starts on the beat 4. You could transcribe it that way, but it would make feeling the beat a lot more complicated (because you would need to change to 9/8 for one measure) than just learning to feel it starting on the and of 3. Same goes for the section before the guitar solo in Stairway to Heaven. Some transcriptions add some weird 7/8 measures and whatever. No. It's all in 4/4, and learning to feel it "correctly" in 4/4 is simpler than doing all of those weird time signature changes. Same thing with the intro of Rock and Roll by the same band (all in 4/4 and starts on the and of 3).
Thanks for your comment! I'd like to keep the conversation open and find out how others count it and feel it. Also, I might include the songs you mentioned in another video. Cheers!
Disagree. The 2nd 8th should be the strongest, not the 4th. With the 9/8 bar you can more easily emphasize a better downbeat, and come in strong after the intro. The 3 note pickups are just done because it’s safer. But it definitely sounds wrong in terms of expression.
@@valkhorn Nah, this is basic syncopation. Once you feel it correctly, you don't really feel it in any other way. I used to hear it the way David Bennett transcribed it, but can't really hear it that way any more. It's not "because it's safer". People genuinely hear it that way, and I do too (as you can see, every performance is done this way, and these are professional musicians - if it was more natural to add a 9/8 bar, then they would do that). It's syncopation. It is possible to not put emphasis on the downbeat while still feeling the downbeat. This is actually very common in reggae and some Latin American music. But also, not putting an emphasis on the downbeat is common in rock music too. As I mentioned, Highway to Hell is a good example of this, and there are plenty of other examples. What Highway to Hell does is anticipation. It omits the downbeat from the riff, which makes the 8th note before the downbeat kind of take the role of the downbeat - the downbeat is anticipated.
All you have to do is go to the published sheet music, which isn't people guessing on the internet, but professionals. And yes, it is an anacrusis that begins on the and of 3. It works perfectly.
It actually gains three or four BPM as the solo starts.the bass adds two notes at the end of the intro with the time jumping faster in the rest of the song ,Hendrix was genius
To understand the timing.its all in the bass line 1and1234 repeat 1and 1234 ,three times then 1and half time 1 2 3 4. Then in threes 123,123 12 3 4 and it's three beats per minute faster than the intro.maybe four faster .listen to just the bass line.jimi played it and only he would have this kind of creativity .that's why he is still the best to a lot of people.his time signature was as complex as his sound .easy slow solos ,but try to do it.
How is any way to play it "wrong" when everyone counts it differently? If you're saying right or wrong, if you don't do it like Bob Dylan, you're wrong. Great video....
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Really appreciate the analysis. But I think I see what's going on in this "debate." The versions you are using definitely count it the way you suggest, with the three-note anacrusis, so the first note of the song is on the end of 3. BUT, in the Hendrix version (the most popular version), Hendrix plays only TWO NOTES, not three like the Kravitz/Clapton performance, for example. Listening only to the Hendrix version, forgetting about any anacrusis and instead assuming the song starts on beat 4 is the most natural way to count the intro. It does, in fact, then require adding an eighth note before the drums fall into the verse rhythm. But I'd bet hard cash that's exactly how Mitch Mitchell navigated it.
Thanks so much for your contribution! The notes/chords played in the Hendrix version are the same as the Kravitz/Clapton performance. However I can hear/count them now in both ways and still can't decide what's more comfortable :)
Nope, it's exactly the same. Three note anacrusis, but as with all version, the chord changes on the third note - so the changes always anticipate the beat by one eighth. That's also what Dylan does, right back to his original recording. Standard rock rhythm.
@@TheBeardedGuitarist You are exactly right, it's three eighths anacrusis. What confuses people is that all the chord changes are anticipations of the beat by one eighth, including if you go back to Dylan's original. But that's just standard rock rhythm! I was just checking out the intro to The Eagles Take It Easy. That one is really tricky because the whole song starts on the upbeat to the first bar, so your ear has no chance to figure out where the beat is. But it's the same idea - every change is on the upbeat, and once the main body of the song starts, it all works out perfectly. No doubt they counted these songs in in the studio, but we don't get to hear that count-in. A simpler example of the same principle is the Beatles' I Want To Hold Your Hand. Three note anacrusis, with the second chord change on the third note. This stuff is child's play compared to Black Dog. I've looked at transcriptions of that and I still can never wrap my head around the rhythm.
@@TheBeardedGuitarist You're welcome! Enjoyed your video very much. You should tackle Black Dog, if only for the comments where everyone will fight over what's the "correct' meter.
Ha ha, it’s just a joke (napoleon dinamite) The truth is You tutorial is great and it illustrates an important point in the rhythm of this song. No offence intended, in fact I truly appreciate your valuable video.
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this has puzzled me for 60 years, now it all makes sense - thanks so much!
I’m very happy to hear that! Thanks
Me too! 50 yrs of never understanding this intro. It drove me crazy. Starting on the and of 3 makes the most sense..
Wow. After 30 years of hearing it wrong and never being able to hear it right and losing one when the intro solo comes in, you've made it clear. Cathartic.
You can hear Jimi himself count it in on this album: “Voodoo Child: The Jimi Hendrix Collection.” It’s an alternative mix of the original studio recording that includes his count in. He starts the song on 3&, which confirms what is said in this video.
Thanks for adding this information, very valuable
Just recently discovered this song and me being me and always trying to find the bpm and count for every song I listen to, it was fun to nerd out and watch your video and read some of these comments. Thank you for this video!
I've been drumming a long time and this intro always drove me crazy...I have a few Hendrix drum covers but this one I stayed away from because of that intro. Now I may do it! Thanks for clearing it up. Starting on the "and" of 3 makes sense. The snare lands on 2 & 4 as it should.
That intro is stuck in my head for two days now
If you wanna properly count it out and still have the guitar solo fit the phrasing of beats the way he normally plays then it’s starting on the & of three and there’s just that 9/8 bar at the end of the solo
I was never aware of the differencies of counting this song, I think point the lead guitar starts make sure that this is the only reasonable way to count, because u can keep the measure.
Thanks for the rythmic approach of that song which tought me a lot. Sheers !
The way David does it means the notes are naturally phrased just like they are in the recording. In the recording the 2nd eighths are the strongest, but with the three eighth Ana cruces, the 4th eighth is the strongest. With the 9/8 bar you stitch both together and it sounds better.
Yet another Brilliant clip thankyou Simone. This one to help us beginners understand actually what and how Anacrusis works in General. As you and I explored a few months back another good example of the Anacrusis is at the start of the song La Bamba, (lots of versions of this song available also.) With La Bamba I believe the first sound comes in on the 3+ of beat 3. therefore rest of 5/8ths before playing begins.
Thanks Anthony. That's correct. La Bamba doesn't seem to be controversial!
I’ve always heard and played it this way naturally…it’s a riff that never feels at ease, like everlong or glycerine. So, to me that feels we’re shifting chords ahead of the beat. Pearl Jam does this in Black chorus and it requires a nifty drum fill to get us back to feeling 4/4 even tho we never really left it.
Thanks for commenting
Great video! I love that you did some solid research and showed famous performances to back up your point. Thanks
Thanks so much
Thank you so much for clarifying this!
no matter how you play, all that matters is that youre having fun.
Your way of feeling it is definitely the correct one. This can be easily confirmed by the way the song continues. I originally heard it the way David Bennett transcribed it (because that's how the changes in harmony made me hear it), but realized that it is wrong because this way you have a weird time signature change that doesn't really need to be there. Also, the same pattern continues behind the drums, so adding an extra 8th note to one of the bars simply makes it more complicated than it needs to be. After I figured out the correct way of counting it, I can't really even hear it in the way I used to hear it.
It's kind of the same as Highway to Hell by AC/DC that also starts on the and of 3. But without the drum beat in the background, it sounds a bit like it starts on the beat 4. You could transcribe it that way, but it would make feeling the beat a lot more complicated (because you would need to change to 9/8 for one measure) than just learning to feel it starting on the and of 3.
Same goes for the section before the guitar solo in Stairway to Heaven. Some transcriptions add some weird 7/8 measures and whatever. No. It's all in 4/4, and learning to feel it "correctly" in 4/4 is simpler than doing all of those weird time signature changes. Same thing with the intro of Rock and Roll by the same band (all in 4/4 and starts on the and of 3).
Thanks for your comment! I'd like to keep the conversation open and find out how others count it and feel it.
Also, I might include the songs you mentioned in another video. Cheers!
@@TheBeardedGuitarist There is no question it is straight 4/4.
Disagree. The 2nd 8th should be the strongest, not the 4th. With the 9/8 bar you can more easily emphasize a better downbeat, and come in strong after the intro. The 3 note pickups are just done because it’s safer. But it definitely sounds wrong in terms of expression.
@@valkhorn Nah, this is basic syncopation. Once you feel it correctly, you don't really feel it in any other way. I used to hear it the way David Bennett transcribed it, but can't really hear it that way any more.
It's not "because it's safer". People genuinely hear it that way, and I do too (as you can see, every performance is done this way, and these are professional musicians - if it was more natural to add a 9/8 bar, then they would do that). It's syncopation. It is possible to not put emphasis on the downbeat while still feeling the downbeat. This is actually very common in reggae and some Latin American music.
But also, not putting an emphasis on the downbeat is common in rock music too. As I mentioned, Highway to Hell is a good example of this, and there are plenty of other examples. What Highway to Hell does is anticipation. It omits the downbeat from the riff, which makes the 8th note before the downbeat kind of take the role of the downbeat - the downbeat is anticipated.
Yet every performance with the 3 note pickups is clearly accenting it different from the Hendrix version.
very well explained!
Love this content. Thank you
Thank you
I count starting on & of 3, it is the correct way .thanks
Yes
All you have to do is go to the published sheet music, which isn't people guessing on the internet, but professionals. And yes, it is an anacrusis that begins on the and of 3. It works perfectly.
I wouldn’t rely too much on published sheet music
It actually gains three or four BPM as the solo starts.the bass adds two notes at the end of the intro with the time jumping faster in the rest of the song ,Hendrix was genius
To understand the timing.its all in the bass line 1and1234 repeat 1and 1234 ,three times then 1and half time 1 2 3 4. Then in threes 123,123 12 3 4 and it's three beats per minute faster than the intro.maybe four faster .listen to just the bass line.jimi played it and only he would have this kind of creativity .that's why he is still the best to a lot of people.his time signature was as complex as his sound .easy slow solos ,but try to do it.
How is any way to play it "wrong" when everyone counts it differently? If you're saying right or wrong, if you don't do it like Bob Dylan, you're wrong. Great video....
no meu caso, eu costumava contar de forma aleatória, observando este estudo, percebo que utilizava duas contagens diferentes, instintivamente e de acordo com o humor
It is the 12 string by dave Mason hendrix lead you are playing it wreon
Really appreciate the analysis. But I think I see what's going on in this "debate." The versions you are using definitely count it the way you suggest, with the three-note anacrusis, so the first note of the song is on the end of 3. BUT, in the Hendrix version (the most popular version), Hendrix plays only TWO NOTES, not three like the Kravitz/Clapton performance, for example. Listening only to the Hendrix version, forgetting about any anacrusis and instead assuming the song starts on beat 4 is the most natural way to count the intro. It does, in fact, then require adding an eighth note before the drums fall into the verse rhythm. But I'd bet hard cash that's exactly how Mitch Mitchell navigated it.
Thanks so much for your contribution! The notes/chords played in the Hendrix version are the same as the Kravitz/Clapton performance. However I can hear/count them now in both ways and still can't decide what's more comfortable :)
Nope, it's exactly the same. Three note anacrusis, but as with all version, the chord changes on the third note - so the changes always anticipate the beat by one eighth. That's also what Dylan does, right back to his original recording. Standard rock rhythm.
@@TheBeardedGuitarist You are exactly right, it's three eighths anacrusis. What confuses people is that all the chord changes are anticipations of the beat by one eighth, including if you go back to Dylan's original. But that's just standard rock rhythm!
I was just checking out the intro to The Eagles Take It Easy. That one is really tricky because the whole song starts on the upbeat to the first bar, so your ear has no chance to figure out where the beat is. But it's the same idea - every change is on the upbeat, and once the main body of the song starts, it all works out perfectly. No doubt they counted these songs in in the studio, but we don't get to hear that count-in.
A simpler example of the same principle is the Beatles' I Want To Hold Your Hand. Three note anacrusis, with the second chord change on the third note.
This stuff is child's play compared to Black Dog. I've looked at transcriptions of that and I still can never wrap my head around the rhythm.
@@premanadi thanks for your comment and for your great contribution to the discussion.
@@TheBeardedGuitarist You're welcome! Enjoyed your video very much. You should tackle Black Dog, if only for the comments where everyone will fight over what's the "correct' meter.
I still can't hear it any other way than this, I honestly don't know how anyone can hear it any other way!
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@@TheBeardedGuitarist sounds great. 👍👍
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Actually Dave Mason played the intro on 12 string.
While he was playing the lead guitar jimi played lead you are missing the 12 string
Come on there was 2guitars in the studio
those guys in the video playing watchtower are not Jimi Hendrix
Dude stop trying to build a friggin rocket ship...... just play it like you want to thats what Jimi would say....
If you say so mate
I… don’t understand a word you just said….
Very interesting
Ha ha, it’s just a joke (napoleon dinamite) The truth is You tutorial is great and it illustrates an important point in the rhythm of this song. No offence intended, in fact I truly appreciate your valuable video.
Thanks
This isn’t quite right.
Of course
True.
I agree