This really did the sport justice. So many great points. As for another sport where you can score more points and still lose... I think combat sports might be the only other exception. In any case, awesome video. Thanks!
Biggest personal proof I've seen that tennis is the hardest sport (hared with many others): Whenever I try any other sport at an amateur level, I can beat players that have been playing that sport for years, because if you play tennis frequently (trying to improve every time), you are gonna improve so many global skills that are required for other sports. It took me like 2 years of regularly playing tennis to rally somewhat decently and consistently. Any time I play other sports, I realize how "good" tennis has made me in so many aspects, specially in racquet sports.
One huge factor that makes tennis so hard is the competition, not only is it an incredibly hard sport, but the competition are all incredibly good, and if you are outside the US or Europe, you essentially have to travel or else you won’t get competition good enough to help you get to the pro level
Badminton is comparable to almost all of the aspects here, and there are some to argue it may be even harder. "You have a multitude of different physical skills. Explosiveness, agility, reaction." So do most physical sports really. Badminton is highlighted here, there is much more variation in ball (shuttle) speed, from up to 565 kph to as little as 5, depending on the shot. That adds to my next point, reactions, due to the higher top speed, and shorter length of the court, reactions are certainly faster. Agility wise, Badminton and Tennis are incomparable, due to the vast differences in them. Tennis is far more flat out running, whereas Badminton more lunging and jumping (with a running aspect). There was a study that showed in the average match the Badminton players move 1.5x more, even with the smaller court size. "Creativity and finesse, hand eye coordination" This is relevant to all racket sports and pretty self explanatory so I won't go into detail. "You have no idea how long you are going to be there" Badminton while, generally shorter than Tennis matches, can last anywhere from 25 minutes to 2 hours. Also there are significantly less breaks between points. The main goal of the umpires is to get the match over as fast as possible, so there may be only 8-15 seconds between points. And only getting a break after 11 points won by one player (so 21 points in total) lasting 60 seconds, then it could be another 37 points before the next break lasting 120 seconds. This could happen consistently 3 times (3 game match). (note this is a hypothetical circumstance, the likelihood of it happening is very unlikely, as with the 3 day match for Tennis. "Chess at 100mph" Badminton can go up to 350 mph. Tennis at 140mph (I may be wrong, that is my initial research). "You are on your own, you have no coach" In the aspect of playing this is also common in 2/5 badminton disciplines. In Badminton however there for most matches present there will be a coach for each player. As someone who is on the path of professional Badminton. Coaches generally give tactical advice rather than mental support, that is mostly you. The crowds can be very loud as well. One of the loudest sounds ever recorded was that of the Indonesian Badminton fans at the Istora Senayan. If you are a player playing Indonesian players (or a player from any host country) there is often little to no support, only crowds cheering when the home player wins a point. There are often commendations for good effort but even so, still minimal. There quite often in earlier rounds of the competition there will be other matches going on a few metres away, so the hall is never silent. It can be difficult for the players to concentrate sometimes. Quite often players and federations will have very little money, so quite a lot of matches will have no coaches anyway, due to the financial aspect anyway. The referee or umpire is not present in lower level tournaments quite a lot of the time either. "You can win more points for your opponent and still lose the match" Badminton is the same in this regard. Badminton matches are a best of 3 games to 21 points. The winner of the previous point serves etc. An example scoreboard could be 13-21 21-19 21-19. Player one won 55 points, Player 2 won 59 points. This is a mild circumstance, there are much more extreme scoreboards. "Be prepared to lose" Very similar between Tennis and Badminton for obvious reasons (the way points are won). So overall, there are many different aspects between the two sports but both are highly comparable in the points you have raised. There are a couple more points I would like to raise. One of them being the very hectic tournament schedule. For the very top players in the world 24 tournaments are mandatory and punishable by fines. Each of these tournaments lasting a week, including training and travel. That is a lot of time travelling. That brings me to my next point quite nicely. Travel expenses. Sports as you will know are not just on court, as much effort goes into them off court. For any players outside of Asia, the flight costs can be extraordinary. (Most large scale tournaments are held in Asia). Not to mention hotel costs. I understand that the ATP tour is all over the world as well. But it is more difficult for players to afford this. Lets compare the 100th best Tennis player financially to the 100th best Badminton player. Flavio Cobolli vs Mark Shelley. I am going to use career prize money because it is the start of the year. Flavio Cobolli in his singles and doubles career has made $756,214 and Mark Shelly has made $913.12. Both of them are of a similar age and have been playing for a similar amount of time. Sponsorships, I would assume Flavio will have not only his equipment covered by his sponsor but also a monetary aspect as well. Whereas Mark Shelly, will (if he is lucky only get equipment for free). They are both very challenging sports and each deserve their own recognition.
Wow. Love the passion and impressed by the insight! I think we’re in agreement on most things that separate racket sports from others. There’s very little to argue with in your response other than the below: - Weather, temperature, surface all vary massively in tennis and not so with an indoor sport and this has a huge impact. Think “clay court specialists” that would forego the grass season (and visa versa) as an example of this difference. - length of match I’d argue is still not comparable and it’s the uncertainty of the length of match that is particularly strenuous in tennis Our video doesn’t really cover prize money or sponsors (maybe it should have) but we were aiming to represent the sport at all levels rather than the top. Maybe we’ll do another video covering some of your comments. Thanks again!
Absolutely mate. Badminton is by far the most underrated sport. But the problem lies in the way the sport is being shown to the world, the camera work, angles birds eye view do absolutely no justice to this sport. It almost like watching f1 from a top view of the track and also it's more of an Asian dominated sport which is why it hasn't being recognized as much in the west.
Tennis is hard to start with . Badminton is not so. You can start serving from the time you start. To learn serving in tennis , you need months. Badminton is about footwork. If you reach to the shuttle , 90% of the time you return it. Because learning shots in badminton is lot easier than hitting forehand or backhand in Tennis.. And what about spin, angles on tennis ball . Shuttle trajectory is much simple to track. It might be physically demanding as much as Tennis. But the skills are incomparable. Tennis skills are harder to master than badminton
Badminton is harder than tennis due to its exceptional speed and agility demands, which surpass those in tennis. The shuttlecock in badminton can reach speeds exceeding 200 mph, far faster than a tennis ball, requiring players to have lightning-fast reflexes and precise timing. Unlike tennis, the smaller court size in badminton necessitates rapid, multidirectional movements and quick recovery between shots, placing immense pressure on cardiovascular endurance and muscular agility. Furthermore, the need for intricate shot placement and variety, such as drop shots and smashes, is more pronounced in badminton, requiring a higher level of technical skill and mental sharpness. The relentless pace and intensity of badminton rallies leave little room for error, making it a highly demanding sport that challenges both the body and mind to a greater extent than tennis. Also tennis is not actually as long as people think, only 20% of it is actually spent playing whereas badminton 40%. In tennis the court is not as big as you think because 90% of the rallies are just side to side movements. It is uncommon for them to move foreword and back whereas in badminton it’s always a front and back movement. Squash is even tougher and more physically demanding than both of them. Also people think tennis needs more power but ask yourself this, which is harder, hitting a shuttle from baseline to baseline, or hitting a tennis ball from baseline to baseline.
@@rjari8578 yes but did you know in that short period of time they run more than double than what is done in a tennis game (3.2km vs 6.4km). Actually a study done by the BBC shows that Wimbledon players ran as far as 2km
I have many reasons as to why you’re wrong 😀, but as we say the video, please explain why you think Squash and Badminton are harder. Always happy to learn!
Been saying this for years. Finally somebody coming out with the facts. Tennis provides cardiovascular and resistance exercise.. I called the sport chess on wheels, and people who play modern gladiators..🪖
I grew up playing basketball baseball football. We played kickball and dodgeball. A kid showed up in our neighborhood kicking around what we thought was a volleyball and called it soccer. Volleyball was added when I got a little older. I did a lot of in gym boxing when I was a trained boxing coach. There are the martial arts. I tried kickboxing. Played alot of ping pong. Somebody handed me a lacrosse stick and I tried that. There is croquet, stickball, and netball. Was introduced to racquetball. Squash is very similar. Now there is pickleball and paddleball. I tried pickleball because somebody paid me $20. 😁 Of course there is hockey, golf and handball, tried those too. The hockey however we were running instead of skating. There are the various track and field events. Certain dancing now is considered a sport. Can't forget gymnastics. Tried a limited amount of that too. Can't leave out roller skating, ice skating and figure skating. I know about, seen and played many sports and Tennis comes out on top especially when played at an intense level. Don't get me wrong, a marathon race will take anyone out but it is not a common everyday sport. Think about it. Racquetball paddle ball and now pickleball, mainly consist of people who could not handle tennis anymore. I have been told this over and over. I would say boxing is number 2. Lace up some gloves against a quality opponent and you feel like you're in a death chamber. Like the moderator said these sports are controlled by time. Tennis you have to go on and on and on until someone win's which is what he also said. I will close by saying this: A dude showed up at a college I played tennis recreationally after hours and taught tennis; to teach science. He established himself as the best racquetball player on campus so they gave him a job teaching racquetball. He would fatigue easily and couldn't hang when he played tennis with us. I rest my case.. ⚖️🎾
@@vlogmania5129haha funny... You must be young. In my day 60s and 70s in the hood; we played all sports except ice sports. Badminton and volleyball we're always played at picnics. You better come back with something stronger than that..
This really did the sport justice. So many great points.
As for another sport where you can score more points and still lose... I think combat sports might be the only other exception.
In any case, awesome video. Thanks!
Don't be ignorant! Do you know squash and badminton?
bruh those are racket sports basically same idea@@bruno_dias
Biggest personal proof I've seen that tennis is the hardest sport (hared with many others):
Whenever I try any other sport at an amateur level, I can beat players that have been playing that sport for years, because if you play tennis frequently (trying to improve every time), you are gonna improve so many global skills that are required for other sports. It took me like 2 years of regularly playing tennis to rally somewhat decently and consistently. Any time I play other sports, I realize how "good" tennis has made me in so many aspects, specially in racquet sports.
One huge factor that makes tennis so hard is the competition, not only is it an incredibly hard sport, but the competition are all incredibly good, and if you are outside the US or Europe, you essentially have to travel or else you won’t get competition good enough to help you get to the pro level
Badminton is comparable to almost all of the aspects here, and there are some to argue it may be even harder.
"You have a multitude of different physical skills. Explosiveness, agility, reaction."
So do most physical sports really. Badminton is highlighted here, there is much more variation in ball (shuttle) speed, from up to 565 kph to as little as 5, depending on the shot. That adds to my next point, reactions, due to the higher top speed, and shorter length of the court, reactions are certainly faster. Agility wise, Badminton and Tennis are incomparable, due to the vast differences in them. Tennis is far more flat out running, whereas Badminton more lunging and jumping (with a running aspect). There was a study that showed in the average match the Badminton players move 1.5x more, even with the smaller court size.
"Creativity and finesse, hand eye coordination"
This is relevant to all racket sports and pretty self explanatory so I won't go into detail.
"You have no idea how long you are going to be there"
Badminton while, generally shorter than Tennis matches, can last anywhere from 25 minutes to 2 hours. Also there are significantly less breaks between points. The main goal of the umpires is to get the match over as fast as possible, so there may be only 8-15 seconds between points. And only getting a break after 11 points won by one player (so 21 points in total) lasting 60 seconds, then it could be another 37 points before the next break lasting 120 seconds. This could happen consistently 3 times (3 game match). (note this is a hypothetical circumstance, the likelihood of it happening is very unlikely, as with the 3 day match for Tennis.
"Chess at 100mph"
Badminton can go up to 350 mph. Tennis at 140mph (I may be wrong, that is my initial research).
"You are on your own, you have no coach"
In the aspect of playing this is also common in 2/5 badminton disciplines. In Badminton however there for most matches present there will be a coach for each player. As someone who is on the path of professional Badminton. Coaches generally give tactical advice rather than mental support, that is mostly you. The crowds can be very loud as well. One of the loudest sounds ever recorded was that of the Indonesian Badminton fans at the Istora Senayan. If you are a player playing Indonesian players (or a player from any host country) there is often little to no support, only crowds cheering when the home player wins a point. There are often commendations for good effort but even so, still minimal. There quite often in earlier rounds of the competition there will be other matches going on a few metres away, so the hall is never silent. It can be difficult for the players to concentrate sometimes.
Quite often players and federations will have very little money, so quite a lot of matches will have no coaches anyway, due to the financial aspect anyway. The referee or umpire is not present in lower level tournaments quite a lot of the time either.
"You can win more points for your opponent and still lose the match"
Badminton is the same in this regard. Badminton matches are a best of 3 games to 21 points. The winner of the previous point serves etc. An example scoreboard could be 13-21 21-19 21-19. Player one won 55 points, Player 2 won 59 points. This is a mild circumstance, there are much more extreme scoreboards.
"Be prepared to lose"
Very similar between Tennis and Badminton for obvious reasons (the way points are won).
So overall, there are many different aspects between the two sports but both are highly comparable in the points you have raised. There are a couple more points I would like to raise. One of them being the very hectic tournament schedule. For the very top players in the world 24 tournaments are mandatory and punishable by fines. Each of these tournaments lasting a week, including training and travel. That is a lot of time travelling. That brings me to my next point quite nicely. Travel expenses. Sports as you will know are not just on court, as much effort goes into them off court. For any players outside of Asia, the flight costs can be extraordinary. (Most large scale tournaments are held in Asia). Not to mention hotel costs. I understand that the ATP tour is all over the world as well. But it is more difficult for players to afford this.
Lets compare the 100th best Tennis player financially to the 100th best Badminton player. Flavio Cobolli vs Mark Shelley. I am going to use career prize money because it is the start of the year. Flavio Cobolli in his singles and doubles career has made $756,214 and Mark Shelly has made $913.12. Both of them are of a similar age and have been playing for a similar amount of time. Sponsorships, I would assume Flavio will have not only his equipment covered by his sponsor but also a monetary aspect as well. Whereas Mark Shelly, will (if he is lucky only get equipment for free).
They are both very challenging sports and each deserve their own recognition.
wtf bro
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Wow. Love the passion and impressed by the insight! I think we’re in agreement on most things that separate racket sports from others. There’s very little to argue with in your response other than the below:
- Weather, temperature, surface all vary massively in tennis and not so with an indoor sport and this has a huge impact. Think “clay court specialists” that would forego the grass season (and visa versa) as an example of this difference.
- length of match I’d argue is still not comparable and it’s the uncertainty of the length of match that is particularly strenuous in tennis
Our video doesn’t really cover prize money or sponsors (maybe it should have) but we were aiming to represent the sport at all levels rather than the top.
Maybe we’ll do another video covering some of your comments. Thanks again!
Absolutely mate. Badminton is by far the most underrated sport. But the problem lies in the way the sport is being shown to the world, the camera work, angles birds eye view do absolutely no justice to this sport. It almost like watching f1 from a top view of the track and also it's more of an Asian dominated sport which is why it hasn't being recognized as much in the west.
Tennis is hard to start with . Badminton is not so. You can start serving from the time you start. To learn serving in tennis , you need months. Badminton is about footwork. If you reach to the shuttle , 90% of the time you return it. Because learning shots in badminton is lot easier than hitting forehand or backhand in Tennis..
And what about spin, angles on tennis ball . Shuttle trajectory is much simple to track.
It might be physically demanding as much as Tennis. But the skills are incomparable. Tennis skills are harder to master than badminton
Badminton is harder than tennis due to its exceptional speed and agility demands, which surpass those in tennis. The shuttlecock in badminton can reach speeds exceeding 200 mph, far faster than a tennis ball, requiring players to have lightning-fast reflexes and precise timing. Unlike tennis, the smaller court size in badminton necessitates rapid, multidirectional movements and quick recovery between shots, placing immense pressure on cardiovascular endurance and muscular agility. Furthermore, the need for intricate shot placement and variety, such as drop shots and smashes, is more pronounced in badminton, requiring a higher level of technical skill and mental sharpness. The relentless pace and intensity of badminton rallies leave little room for error, making it a highly demanding sport that challenges both the body and mind to a greater extent than tennis. Also tennis is not actually as long as people think, only 20% of it is actually spent playing whereas badminton 40%. In tennis the court is not as big as you think because 90% of the rallies are just side to side movements. It is uncommon for them to move foreword and back whereas in badminton it’s always a front and back movement. Squash is even tougher and more physically demanding than both of them. Also people think tennis needs more power but ask yourself this, which is harder, hitting a shuttle from baseline to baseline, or hitting a tennis ball from baseline to baseline.
A badminton match is sometimes even shorter than a single set in tennis
@@rjari8578 yes but did you know in that short period of time they run more than double than what is done in a tennis game (3.2km vs 6.4km). Actually a study done by the BBC shows that Wimbledon players ran as far as 2km
The modern game of mens singles tennis is toughest...wta is nothin
Only boxing matches it . The boxing without head gear
I would put only boxing ahead of it
Combat sports are right up there, but at least you know when it’s going to end!
Man, don't be ridiculous! You're wrong on many stuff there! Squash and badminton are much harder than tennis!
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I have many reasons as to why you’re wrong 😀, but as we say the video, please explain why you think Squash and Badminton are harder. Always happy to learn!
Squash and badminton don’t (really) use any spin… and they are indoors! No elements to contend with…
When someone says something totally ridiculous and unfactual like this squash and badminton person, they usually haven't played any of them.
Ridiculous 😂
Been saying this for years. Finally somebody coming out with the facts. Tennis provides cardiovascular and resistance exercise.. I called the sport chess on wheels, and people who play modern gladiators..🪖
Spot on!!!
I grew up playing basketball baseball football. We played kickball and dodgeball. A kid showed up in our neighborhood kicking around what we thought was a volleyball and called it soccer. Volleyball was added when I got a little older. I did a lot of in gym boxing when I was a trained boxing coach. There are the martial arts. I tried kickboxing. Played alot of ping pong. Somebody handed me a lacrosse stick and I tried that. There is croquet, stickball, and netball. Was introduced to racquetball. Squash is very similar. Now there is pickleball and paddleball. I tried pickleball because somebody paid me $20. 😁 Of course there is hockey, golf and handball, tried those too. The hockey however we were running instead of skating. There are the various track and field events. Certain dancing now is considered a sport. Can't forget gymnastics. Tried a limited amount of that too. Can't leave out roller skating, ice skating and figure skating. I know about, seen and played many sports and Tennis comes out on top especially when played at an intense level. Don't get me wrong, a marathon race will take anyone out but it is not a common everyday sport. Think about it. Racquetball paddle ball and now pickleball, mainly consist of people who could not handle tennis anymore. I have been told this over and over. I would say boxing is number 2. Lace up some gloves against a quality opponent and you feel like you're in a death chamber. Like the moderator said these sports are controlled by time. Tennis you have to go on and on and on until someone win's which is what he also said. I will close by saying this: A dude showed up at a college I played tennis recreationally after hours and taught tennis; to teach science. He established himself as the best racquetball player on campus so they gave him a job teaching racquetball. He would fatigue easily and couldn't hang when he played tennis with us. I rest my case.. ⚖️🎾
You probably haven't played badminton then!
@@vlogmania5129haha funny... You must be young. In my day 60s and 70s in the hood; we played all sports except ice sports. Badminton and volleyball we're always played at picnics. You better come back with something stronger than that..