STARSHIP TROOPERS (1997) Breakdown | Easter Eggs, Hidden Details, Making Of & Ending Explained
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- STARSHIP TROOPERS (1997) Breakdown | Easter Eggs, Hidden Details, Making Of & Ending Explained. In this video, we break down Starship troopers. This is a deep dive into the first installment of the series to break down all the Easter Eggs, Hidden Details and Things you Missed throughout the Movie. Released in the year 1997 and Directed by Paul Verhoeven, we go through all of the things that went into making this amazing movie.
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Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show, I'm your host Paul and this video we're breaking down Starship Troopers.
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Released in 1997 this was a big staple of my childhood with the movie becoming one of my favourites from the decade. I loved the over the top action, insane space moments and the coming of age story about our hero Johnny Rico. Now at the time the subtexct completely went over my head and when watching it as an adult I realised there was a completely different layer to the movie that my 9 year old brain didn't pick up on. Paul Verhoeven is a master of satire and for me this rivals his classic Robocop in terms of subtext and parody.
What I love about the movie is that you can enjoy it as an over the top action flick or watch it for it's more cerebral and metaphorical comments. Playing up the glorification of war, propaganda and a society centred around military rule this movies aged excellently and there's so much to unpack from it.
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How slow are you? In the books he wasn't saying that you had to do military service and that seems to be one of your bases assumptions about this... he was saying that you had to do some sort of service for your country be it as a public servant or in the military and he wanted it to be hard so people really had to commit. You shouldn't be giving your 2 cents if you have a problem with basic reading and comprehension.
If u think Hitler was the buy guy the fooled your ass
@@thomgizziz the movie is a satyre of the book. You can't use hte book lore to justify the movie since they are entirely different work.
Just cause I didn't see it here, but Argentina is basically white. Most of its current population has European roots and any native or black population it has is a super small minority... So it's not surprising for it to be white in the movie, now for them to all speak English, that's where the theories can come in questioning what happened for the country to adapt a language that would erase their own specific dialect of Spanish.
@@VictorPerez-vu1fo I lot of German scientist and others escaped Germany to south America and even into Antarctica new schwabenland and other went to America via operation paper clip like doctor van vraun who was the head of the Manhatten project. There's this good movie about a boy trapped in one of the clinics they use to run experimenting on people he found his love there and the person that ultimately gave him the courage to escape
It's crazy that the CGI in this was made 30 years ago and not only holds up, but is better than some of the trash we see now.
‘97 was a good year for CGI. Jurassic Park still holds up too
Cgi worked better because they did what they could with models and sets. Now they cheap out with Cgi everything. Just make the movie animated at this point.
Not all special effects are CGI
All of the really good looking stuff is models. All the very obviously animated bugs are CGI.
Even jurassic Park was predominantly practical effects
So no, the cgi in this movie does not hold up as well as being claimed 😅
In the nineties CGI were still very expensive and elaborate to make, not ready-pack age software available to masses. That's why today any studio does it - costs have turned around. They put in more work, there were no digital cinema cameras neither. So the mix between well-made makets and CGI aliens have such charm compared to today's cut-out heads stuck in fully CGI universe of greater dwfinition and physic's engines. The CGI and blending itself often leaves much to be desired here thiugh. Every decade or period in technology have its flavour and this is classic '90s. Exceptions happen (like Kubrick's 2001 Space Odisee or original Star-Wars)
@@ryanabrahams8061no. There’s cgi that just looks really good. Not all of it, but a lot of it. You’re wrong lol
"Based off the back of the novel" is a hilarious turn-of-phrase for those movies that have only a passing resemblance to their source material. Love it!
hilarious indeed
If anything, the movie shows how ridiculous the theory of the novel is. It satirizes it beautifully.
But the movie is nothing like the book??? The only resemblance is the name
@@709mash But citizenship and service works different in the book then in the movie so no it does not satirizes that theory beautifully
@@709mashit doesn’t address any of the theory of the novel and contains almost none of the content. Wtf are you on about?
How many are here because we are avid Helldivers 2 players and the algorithm brought us here??!? FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY!!!!
Yep, it's funny how much starship trooper stuff I see now.
I'm watching this video while having a nice cup of liber tea 🍵 🐛 🔫 👊
I saw this because I've been a Starship Troopers fan since '97, when this movie introduced me to it and the novel months after the theater release.
But it is ironic because I finally caved and picked up HD2 about 4 days ago.
That’s why I’m here
I see a bunch of Rico reckless fans hace come to show they got smooth brains and simp for peanuts
Only here for the Hell Divers 2 backstory.
Same, I wanna know that lore. Either way, enjoyed the video and content!
This Ministry of Truth-required viewing.
Bruh, skill issue.
Hell ya
Me too. Have to do your part.
The death of Dizzy still hurts to this day. I got to see this in theaters and the scene where Rasczak catches Rico and Dizzy and bed and gives them 20 minutes got huge cheers and howls in the theater. Dizzy was always best girl.
And you got to see her bewbs
Dina is HOT!!!
Still hurts...? You a vvhamens behind your screen name?
I watched this when I was younger and other people in my social circle hadn't seen it, meaning I never got to talk to anyone about it then. Until right now, I didn't know anyone liked Dizzy. She grated on my nerves and when she met her end I was like, alright, now she's out of the way Rico and Carmen can have a later life ending after the bug war turns.
Interesting hearing other people's take on it.
@@bac1308 Because Carmen is your typical western effinist. She's a liar, cheater, leads Rico on, puts work ahead of a family, and is always trying to upgrade to the bigger, better deal. Dizzy is cute, values people over materialism, and loves Rico for him, not for his resources.
If you SIMP over a girl like Carmen, you're going to have a life full of pain, disappointment, depression, and hard, expensive, painful lessons. You sound like you'd wife up a 30 something VVoman with 3 kids from 3 different baby daddies if she was somewhat attractive.
This is one of the few sci-fi films, that not only stands the test of time, but actually got better as time has passed.
I love it too, I just hate that it made an entire generation of kids think that fascism is nothing more than black trenchcoats and blonde people - meaning that we have real actual fascism all over the place at this point.
@@felixcarter1435 I don't think that was caused by this film, I think this film was a symptom of that disconnect already occurring. WW2 was 60 years past by then, there's only a hand full of people left who participated in the destruction of fascism, and they failed to set up an education system capable of addressing it in the future.
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU STUPID??????? YOU CLAIM THAT THE GOVERNEMNT BASICALLY CONTROLS ALL THE TV CHANNELS AND IS CONSTANTLY MAKING PROPAGANDA AND LYING!!!!!!!!!!!! YET WHEN 100,000 DEAD HAPPENS IN 1 HOUR, SUPPOSEDLY THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WILLING TO LIE, AND JUST TELLS THE TRUTH??????????? ALSO, IN ANY AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, ZERO OF THE ELADERS WOULDS HAVE EVER STEPPED DOWN!!!!!!!! THE VERY FACT, THAT THE SKY MARSHALL RESIGNS, IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NO WHERE NEAR AS AUTHORITARIAN AS YOU CLAIM IT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
@@felixcarter1435 are you talking about democrats?
@@martind5653 no we're talking about you. The sad part is that you can't even see you are on the wrong side of history even if we explain it to you.
In the novel, the author plays a trick. You think Juan ‘Johnny’ Rico is Hispanic, but in the the end of the book, you find out he is Filipino. The point the author was making is, that in the 23rd Century, race won’t matter.
Also, thanks to mass migration of Irish, English, Italians, Germans, and other Europeans in the late 1800s and early 1900s, the country was one of, if not the, most white countries in Latin America.
The director admits he did not read the book, and barely used the book for inspiration.
The Philippines was a Spanish colony. Majority of people in Argentina are of European heritage. Mostly Spanish and Italian. So they are “white“ but they are not blonde haired blue eyed Ken dolls, like the movie. People from Argentina of pure German heritage have German surnames. Not Rico. I suppose, we can imagine that after hundreds of years everyone became aryan. But the likelihood that the blending of western Europeans, predominantly Spanish, would end up looking like that is genetically ridiculous. Obviously, I’m talking about the film, not the book.
Why the "white"? As a blue eyed, light-skinned and blond haired Argentinian with an Italian surname I can assure you it's not hard to find that mixture around.
"Its okay because I got to have you" gets me every time
Michael Ironside absolutely steals the show, brilliant. Always a win. His line "They sucked his brains out" is one of the best in movie history.
He has a better line. "Everyone fights, no one quits, if you don't do your job, I'll shoot you." It's not just the rule for his Roughnecks. It's the rule for their whole militarized society. The earlier propaganda just added spin, in "service guarantees citizenship" and "execution tonight at 6".
"Das ganze Gehirn weggelutscht"
Facts 😂😂
I saw he was going to be in a then-coming sequel to a great movie and thought, "It's got Michael Ironside in it, he's great, so it's going to be great!" Highlander 2 🤮
@@Styphon He was still his usual excellent self. Even if the Sickening as a whole sucked ass.
I was in boot camp during 911, and when they came in interrupting fire fighting training to tell us about the planes hitting NY and Washington, I remember it having that feeling when everything gets frantic and you hear "we're going to war". That scene always resonates with me now
Some people NDUPIs that year.
My brother did his time in the army but reenlisted because his brothers were being sent off after 9/11. Him and many others never came home.
This movie helps me remember that family is everywhere you need it to be.
Thank you for being you my friend!
I was in the Army at the time and our advanced team for our NTC rotation was already there. All our equipment and vehicles were railheaded and on the way. I can't remember but my Brigade started flying to Cali on either the 13, 14, or 15th and during the rotation rumors started spreading that we would be shipped to Afghanistan right after we were finished. Which made sense since we had everything we needed to deploy. Well we didn't deploy until March 2003 and that was to Iraq.
This film was released 4 years before the 9/11 attacks, so it certainly wasn't a nod to that.
I just finished my unit training after just before 9/11 and being from NYC, my platoon leader just nodded at me and went to speak to our CO, can't speak more about the subject besides the fact that I did watch this movie again by DVD while traveling to our third deployment in 2003.
The first invasion happens on the planet Klendathu. It isn't very clear but after Jonny and Dizzy have their one night together, the MI troopers go to a different planet. Radcek briefs his troopers about a new Sky Marshall and a new battle plan, and tells Rico to "get your shit wired" for an insertion to "Planet P" this is where the brain bug is captured.
I saw this in the theatre when I was 10 years old. It's my favorite movie. Great video, thanks!
"MI does the dying, fleet just does the flying!"
I guess all the planets looking like desert wastelands doesn’t help 😂
I saw Klen Dath II is a planet in Helldivers but I'm really hoping to see their version of Planet P too, I'm so ready to see Outpost 7 when the war progresses
@@jayday187All the dead mormons ahahaha
@@jayday187 Theres also a second reference to Starship Troopers as well! In the sector adjacent on the left is a planet named 'Zegema Paradise' which is referring to a line said by Rico's dad; 'Zegema Beach'
@@0Roach_ yeah but that's a reference, I want to play a faithful rendition
I am the one who actually read the novel before seeing the movie. I absolutely loved both. Funny thing, they are so different and it took about a decade in between reading the book and seeing the movie, I did not realize immediately that the movie was related to the book.
25:25 bruh how true
The bugs are viewed as a minor threat in the book. The real enemies were another star-faring civilization colloquially known as the "Skinnies". There's very little resemblance between the book and the film, other than the names of the main characters and the exploration of a Meritocracy (with pseudo-fascist undertones in the book and overtly fascist in the film) as a Utopian Society.
@@mattwyatt472 I don't understand how people keep saying the book is not fascist. It's like...a fascist's wet dream. Complete federal control over all aspects of life, military service, etc. etc. The book makes an even stronger case the alien enemy are acting in defense.
I read the book long before seeing the movie, and read it again after the movie. Like night and day. The book was a far better story, but admittedly might not have been as good a movie. This is common when Hollywood steals it's ideas and plots from a good book.
Because Heinlein said it isn't. Maybe the times have changed so much that every bad thing and authority figures doing their job is now considered Fascist.@@blusafe1
"We're the old men Ace."
anyone who has ever deployed in a combat zone knows that feeling. When the new guys show up and even though you may only be one or two years older then they are. you feel like you've lived a lifetime more than they have.
Agreed, BTDT.
The pacific on hbo shows this really well.
@@jimc5754 This is out of topic, but is it really *that* good? I've seen people recommended it on Reddit, Tiktok, etc saying that, this is a paraphrase, "It's the Pacific Front's equivalent of the Band of Brothers". I've watched it for like 3-4 episodes and I can't see how is it on par with the Band of Brothers. IMHO it's good, but I don't enjoy it as much as I enjoy BoB.
@@whtvrbro6081yes, I don't know how you expect it to compete with Band of Brothers since you have to understand the people the storylines follow are different and on different fronts experiencing different things.
@whtvrbro6081 I'm definitely I'm the minority. Everybody else pefers B.O.B over the pacific. But for me the pacific was better, I felt closer to the characters
Starship Troopers is like an album with no bad songs. Every single scene is so good!
Agree, but it takes an adult mind to really appreciate it for what it is.
As close to Predator levels of self aware perfection as any film has ever come
@@ATJ-sTAt It might not be to the word literal to the book by Heinlein, but it carries the spirit of the multiple layers of the story that Heinlein used in his books.
@@ehsnils agree. It is a great movie even if not word-by-word.! Like "The Shining"
@@ATJ-sTAt one of the few movies you don’t have to think to enjoy it, but also has extreme depth if you want to go there
You're all gonna find your Dizzys out there, kings. Godspeed.
I think that the deaths of Dizzy and Zander are essential to the plot. Dizzy represents a happy life outside the military for Rico and Zander does the same thing for Carmen. Both their deaths will drive the characters to be more career focused. They have no social lives now. Their life is the military. It is quite sad.
it's also more real world, if you aren't focused of the fight in front of you, you make mistakes so fraternising is banned among co-workers because it gets people killed.
It seriously f'n hurt seeing Dizzy die. She was totally dedicated to Rico (as opposed to his former girlfriend) and bit the big one hard. I know it served to make Rico a better soldier for the Fleet(and story), but it still sucked nonetheless.
They don’t need social lives- they are dedicated to serving humanity and securing peace and human dominance of space. The deaths around them show WHY only citizens can vote and surviving your military service guarantees your vote or place in the leadership of mankind. They have given their blood and innocence to the great struggle, as has every member of the government. This is what shapes them into the pinnacle of humanity and what will allow them to make meaning community and political stances, based on seeing how people can work together to complete incredible things, in spite of incredible cost.
The point of those deaths is to allow the characters to leave their childish desires in the past and understand that greater responsibility and discipline is required of them, that in spite of the snazzy uniforms and cool rifles and power armour, the marines are not a party house and service is the most serious thing they will do… hence the reward of citizenship, the greatest honour most people might attain, by proving they risked themselves for their communities.
It's a shade worse than that. Dizzy died because she followed Rico into the MI. Xander died because he gave his knife to Carmen. They both carry the feeling that they got their respective lovers killed.
Really…. I heard Denise largely sharpens sticks into points and buckled them into fags and drawing up intricate Celtic glyphs on the ground ad nauseam as part of her rolling, dynamic anti-Sheen measures.
Watching Starship Troopers as a kid was awesome. Guns, bugs, explosions, big fight scenes....Carmen and Dizzy....
But now that I am older, it's even better. This movie was so much deeper than audiences and critics thought. Sure, it's a fun pop corn chowing action flick, but after realizing/learning about all the subtle details, it just ages like the finest of wines.
On a side note it's been 26 years and I still feel like crap every time Carmen ditches Johnny, and of course every time Diz dies.
Hell yeah I love that movie with all those guns, Bugs, Carmen, explosions, dizzy, and psycher stuff😂
I remember being so young to not understanding the relationship arc 😅
like Ideocracy. satire ages like fine wine (most of the time)
Watch this movie as a child and now, as a grown man, I still tear up at these moments
@@quillclock Sadly Idiocracy does not age, it becomes reality.
Mainly dizzy. Carmen sucked
29/02/2024 I watched this movie when I was a teenager.
Now playing helldivers 2 and here is were I landed!
Spill oil
Entire movie where bugs are the bad guy and not one bottle of bug spray anywhere.
Starship Troopers, very iconic cult classic and in absolutely *no* way ever spawned any sequels ever, whatsoever, no, truly a one of a kind film that has no disastrously boring off-shoots.
_Thumbs-up, stares blankly at the camera._
Never
Oh, good. Then that thing I saw must have really been just a bad dream, afterall. That's a relief.
Imagine a sequel so much lower in quality they couldn't have the bugs and humans on-screen at the same time. I dread to think it.
Yep. No sequels. Only a animated TV show on the sci fi channel
...cgi robo suits...
Same with Indiana Jones. The Last Crusade was the conclusion of the trilogy.
*”THE ONLY GOOD BUG IS A DEAD BUG”* Absolutely LOVE this movie👍🏼
Would you like to *know* more?
@@TheOmegaXicor Hahaha, love it!!!
I think it says something that people still quote this movie. I hear that line at least a couple times a year, lol
Which is parroting what White Americans frequently said about Native Americans - easy way to genocide.
third reich reference as well ... replace bug with ... well ... you're probably guessing right.
Still think it's better than the system we have.
I did a report on Rodger Young in 1996, having grown up reading Heinlein. The school library had 3 giant books about the Medal of Honor on those that earned it...
Yet Rodger Young was not listed in any of the 3. This was at the time our school had only had internet for 3 months, so it was difficult finding information. I was so mad he wasn't listed.
Arguably, what I can readily find on the Internet is about as much as was in the addendum of the book "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein.
Dizzy was absolutely made to be everyone's favorite character. It's almost to the point that half of Carmen's characterization exists to make us like Dizzy more.
Hard to compete with Denise Richards though
Nah, redheads all the way!
@@TheSuperappelflapdizzy was multi times better
@@Scarlet-Dragon guess we all have preferences
I thought she was a creep.
One slight dissenting note: In the book, a minimum of two years of *civil service* is required in order to obtain full voting rights as a citizen. There are a plethora of non-military options available, including things like a "Peace Corps" and other options that were more like being a sanitation worker, social worker, etc. You just had to prove you were invested enough in society to have a clue about what the government did and how it did it in order to earn voting rights. In the book, he mentions that less than 10% of citizens had served in the armed forces.
On the flip side, there was no compulsory service whatsoever, and a non-voting person was entitled to things like free health care, a basic subsistence even if they didn't work (so, nutritious food, adequate shelter, etc were considered basic human rights), and full participation in all aspects of society other than civil service (which would, by definition, move them onto the voting citizen track) and elected office (you had to be qualified to vote in order to be qualified to run for election).
The movie makes *military service* the only way to get the right to vote because it fit into the message the director wanted to put across, but the book is far more subtle and nuanced.
Heinlein also took a break to write this book in the middle of writing Stranger in a Strange Land (about a human born to astronauts traveling to Mars and raised by non-humanoid highly-psychically-advanced Martians who returns to Earth and founds a pseudo-religious movement that included polytheism, polyamory, free love, nudity, and ritual sex and was designed to awaken humanity's psychic potential in case the Martians decided to delete Earth for being too un-Martian). So, as an author, Heinlein was VERY much more nuanced, subtle, and complex than reading Starship Troopers would lead someone to believe, much less watching this movie.
Paul Verhoeven is an avowed communist and Robert Heinlein was staunchly anti-communist.
This movie is just Pauly V getting back at all those hurtful words Robert wrote that made Pauly cry.
The people saying Heinlein was a Fascist obviously haven't read his other works or fail to understand that writing about an ideology doesn't make the author support the idea. If that were the case than George Orwell was an authoritarian lol, he would probably have slapped the smack outta your mouth if you called him that. Paul Verhoeven also completely took the book at face value and thought it was pro-fascist, thus embarked on his crusade to make an anti-fascist movie about a "pro-fascist book". I don't even know if he actually read the book.
Womp womp
@@america8706 if i remember correctly paul said somewhere that he started to read it but couldn't finish it, literally was too much for his brain lol.
@@america8706 Heinlein & Fascism are literal & political opposites.
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I feel there's alot more to Rico's and Ironsides relationship. After rewatching this recently, I noticed more about Ironside, and that he's clearly grooming Rico, not just to join the Army, but to replace him, as he knows how expendable he is, after his previous service. He definitely sends his Sargent to his death, especially when you realise Rico get's promoted to corporal almost straight after they are ordered to do something that leads to their death.
That happens much more in the book.
Where we learn that all of the navy pilots were female because women were just better pilots.
Rico has to spend time improving his math and this allows him more interactions with women.
@@johnburns9634ironically in real life the exact opposite is true. Most men are pilots because they have better spatial recoginition for the job. Not to say women cant do it, some do, but the overwhelming majority of pilots, espcially fighter pilots, are all men.
@@janusn9
In real life, opposite of a book.
@@johnburns9634 I think Heinlein claimed/wrote that women "can pull more Gees" and therefore suitable to the role of pilot.
Back to real life: women, on the average, have a slightly lower G tolerance than men (men win by a small margin). When comparing women with men of the same height, women have a significantly lower G tolerance than men (men win by a larger margin). But when subjected to "standard G tests", a larger percentage of women pass these tests then men (men lose by a small margin). The results indicate that the G tolerance of women does *not* rule them out as pilots. Same for men.
I guess Heinlein just wanted this separation as a plot device. And since the novel mas targeted at young readers, "sexy shower situations" were out of the question anyway; the novel had just one kiss.
i paused this review 6 minutes in to go watch the real movie which Ive never watched in its entirety before and I loved it. It aged great
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU STUPID??????? YOU CLAIM THAT THE GOVERNEMNT BASICALLY CONTROLS ALL THE TV CHANNELS AND IS CONSTANTLY MAKING PROPAGANDA AND LYING!!!!!!!!!!!! YET WHEN 100,000 DEAD HAPPENS IN 1 HOUR, SUPPOSEDLY THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WILLING TO LIE, AND JUST TELLS THE TRUTH??????????? ALSO, IN ANY AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, ZERO OF THE ELADERS WOULDS HAVE EVER STEPPED DOWN!!!!!!!! THE VERY FACT, THAT THE SKY MARSHALL RESIGNS, IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NO WHERE NEAR AS AUTHORITARIAN AS YOU CLAIM IT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Bs
@@flynnlivescmdwhy you find it hard to believe
As someone from Buenos Aires, it's always funny to see mountains at Rico's parents house 😂
Posta... Southern California vives... Clearly never walked around Once XD
Robert Heinlein was a genius and his social commentary via his books was amazing
Its also cool how starship troopers wasnt his only crack at it, he had many stories exploring different futures following different ideologies and ways. Like pacifism
It's not that military service is required for citizenship, only that service *gaurantees* citizenship. There are other ways of gaining citizenship, though they're never mentioned in the movie.
16:08 That look from Dizz though; She's not condemning Carmen and Rico's behaviour, she's hurt that she's not with Rico... Dina Meyer is a great actress 👍👍👍👍
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU STUPID??????? YOU CLAIM THAT THE GOVERNEMNT BASICALLY CONTROLS ALL THE TV CHANNELS AND IS CONSTANTLY MAKING PROPAGANDA AND LYING!!!!!!!!!!!! YET WHEN 100,000 DEAD HAPPENS IN 1 HOUR, SUPPOSEDLY THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WILLING TO LIE, AND JUST TELLS THE TRUTH??????????? ALSO, IN ANY AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, ZERO OF THE ELADERS WOULDS HAVE EVER STEPPED DOWN!!!!!!!! THE VERY FACT, THAT THE SKY MARSHALL RESIGNS, IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NO WHERE NEAR AS AUTHORITARIAN AS YOU CLAIM IT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
and she was hot AF.
@@Xiphos0311 still is hot AF, as opposed to denise richards, who only was hot.
Being a kid was thinking that Rico should be with Carmen rather than Dizzy because they're the main characters.
Being an adult is realising that Rico never deserved Dizzy in the first place, she was too good for him.
Just like the huge bruise on Dizzy's neck, you see later in the chow line that the first guy to fight Zim has some sort of medical contraption full of blue liquid around his broken arm. I think the general idea is that medical tech is so advanced that they can afford to be far more violent in their training than we would be today, within reason. Obviously a guy gets shot in the head and there's no coming back from that, but things like stab wounds and broken bones are apparently no big deal for them to repair.
EDIT: I originally wrote that it was Ace whose arm was broken, but that was the guy who got stabbed in the hand.
WRONG
That was the farmer dude.
Ace just got a knife through the hand.
He probably just got a band aid.
@@AudieHolland you're right, it was "big dumb" guy. Sorry, it's been a long time since I've actually watched the movie all the way through.
@@herbderbler1585 You know that actor actually married the girl that shot him in the head?
@@AudieHolland heck of a variation on the shotgun wedding
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU STUPID??????? YOU CLAIM THAT THE GOVERNEMNT BASICALLY CONTROLS ALL THE TV CHANNELS AND IS CONSTANTLY MAKING PROPAGANDA AND LYING!!!!!!!!!!!! YET WHEN 100,000 DEAD HAPPENS IN 1 HOUR, SUPPOSEDLY THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WILLING TO LIE, AND JUST TELLS THE TRUTH??????????? ALSO, IN ANY AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, ZERO OF THE ELADERS WOULDS HAVE EVER STEPPED DOWN!!!!!!!! THE VERY FACT, THAT THE SKY MARSHALL RESIGNS, IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NO WHERE NEAR AS AUTHORITARIAN AS YOU CLAIM IT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
I watched this movie on repeat as a child (yeah, WAY to early but it is what it is) and even thought I could mute the movie and voice all the lines from memory, I will never see it the same way again. I'm happy about it, too! It's an amazing film, and it's way deeper than I remember and now I need to go watch it for the millionth and one time.
I love this movie but the massive under appreciation for the book in it is sad. You can tell PV didnt get the book at all and wanted to do his own thing.
when the murderer is captured, tried, and killed in the same day, i think a really overlooked detail is way at the end when they say "ALL NET, ALL CHANNELS", which basically means that all other programming is overridden by the execution, meaning that apart from turning off your devices, you have no choice but to watch the execution, which is a distinct and powerful message to the population
I imagine the Inquisition or Adeptus Arbites from Warhammer 40,000 would do the same thing
or people love watching executions that much
@@lordraydens Public execution used to be like a family day out in the middle ages
@@lordraydens funny enough i was around 12 years old when this film came out, which is about the age that most kids see their first execution on the internet:)
@@pargaras try even closer to the present. People had picnics at lynchings. It was a family affair!
Love this movie, one thing always got me was that xander was in high school with carmen but suddenly he’s senior enough to be an instructor when she is still a cadet.
You missed a few timejumps. You assume that at the start of the movie, they were in senior year. It is clear though that Xander was a senior and going to join while they were still goofing off and having some time to go in school.
My senior year had several people who did boot camp the summer before. You can join at 17 with parent permission, 18 otherwise. Xander could have been doing flight training during his senior year.
In this society protégés are promoted really fast.
I always assumed that Xander was already enlisted and probably did training during his senior year (hence the fact that during the prom he donned the uniform, and he wasn't the only one who did), still I never sorted out how he was already an instructor by the time Carmen boarded the Roger Young.
Of course thinking about it, in the movie (in an almost satirical way) we see Rico rising dramatically the chain of command in the span of a few days from soldier to squad leader to captain of his own platoon, same can be said about Carl that from researcher became head of intelligence in a very short amount of time, so I don't think it's unrealistic to think that Xander could have done the same too if he was actually that valuable of an asset, having just an year of headstart from the others.
@@donaldduck830 the movie does a lot of jumping around, to my understanding. The meteor, for example, actually happens really early on in the timeline and is what really gives Rico the final push to join up
Its good to mention that animated movies of starship troopers keept that nice feel of the movie and extended story and characters nicely, so I really recommend watching them... and of course ST2 and 3 from 2004/08
I just watched Starship Troopers yesterday, absolutely love the movie, thoroughly enjoyed it, I think it aged very gracefully
Even as a kid, I remember asking how the bugs even sent out an asteroid from their planet in a straight line to earth 😂
In the books they have this capability. Verhoeven changed things to fit his politics. Some of the later animated films are more accurate to the book but also pay homage to the movie. The bugs are like the Zerg from StarCraft. An advanced alien destructive force that spreads from planet to planet killing everything in their way.
How did they colonize so many planets?
@@Pie_Lit_Guy in the book, they have massive bugs that serve as spaceships, in the movie they claim the bugs shoot spores into space and these grow new bugs on other planets, but i feel like they just didn't cover it in the movie. like Zegema beach Johnny Rico mentions that he always wanted to go there, to which Watkins replies, "good luck, it's not there anymore," implying that the Bugs either destroyed or took it over. but how would they do that with just spores? which also flys in the face of the people claiming the rock that took out Buenos Aires was a false flag, was Zegema beach a false flag too?
The recruiting of teenagers, I feel, in this movie wasn't to depict the desperation to win a war, but to show that these individuals are fresh out of high school like Rico and friends were. It's something I've experienced in military where new kids show up but they're not kids, they're young adults. I'm the one who's aged and "seen some shit". I feel it's a perspective thing they were going for.
I'm here because of Helldivers 2, and I'm doing my part!
They are different?
Rico declining Dizzy until the end had me screaming as a younger guy. She was kick ass, beautiful, clearly into him, etc etc. But it shows that some times you want what you cant have in spite of what you can have. He could have been happy with his true soul mate. Instead, he becomes a monster and tool of the machine at the end of the movie.
Oh, I do think that you’re a bit off on the Johnny/Carmen PDA. I’ve always seen it as her not caring as much about him as he does her, and that she was planning on breaking up with him the entire time once she left for the military. I wasn’t even slightly surprised when she sent him the break-up video later in the film as I saw it coming.
Psychic friend clearly knew she was gonna dump him, I thought that was why he went in for the kiss. Also, Psychic friend says go do that at home instead of staying here where the other guy can charm Carmen and you can get dumped?
Psychic friend bought him a few more days with his girlfriend. knowing the sex would be so good, Carmen would wait a few days.
So much more to this movie than meets the eye, ignored by too many would be critics, amazing! Should be as critically appreciated as They Live
Ignored because it reveals the tactics of the power elite
Carpenter said it was a slam against corporate greed and Reagan. I agree, but now all the subliminal messaging is FAR more relevant today and how we're asleep to it.
The CGI is phenomenal too... Which was rare in 97.
@@furrybogard9724 its actually even worse than that. If we were asleep to it, we wouldnt be chatting about it. We are though. Which means we are fully aware of it, and passive to it like slaves accepting their chains. In some cases, even defending the chains.
I couldn’t believe people thought this movie was celebrating fascism. The satire was so thick you can barely chew it
My USAF bootcamp TI ("Training Instructor") was named Zim, but he was pretty much the opposite of Career Sgt. Zim. Both were effective in their jobs though.
Here after Helldiver 2
I would dare to say that the scene where Rico choses to take the other part of the tunnel (because of Carl's psycho powers) might be mirroring Carl's ferret Cyrano in his plastic tunnels earlier, when Carl mentally orders Cyrano to "go bug mom" - however Cyrano appears to navigate the tunnels on his own, attracted by food. Who knows?
Absolutely.
Carl might not show it, but he really does care about Rico and Carmen and trusts them with the impossible tasks that have to be done. Carl knows that he isn't best suited to fight, but knows the best people to get the job done. Carl sent Rico down that tunnel to mainly rescue Carmine regardless if the brain bug was there or not. If Rico came up on charges for it, you bet Carl would've intervined to save him. Carl represents the person that's in power that does what he can to protect his friends, but also knows that he can't protect them since they're some of the best the Federation has. If you watch the other Starship Trooper movies, they expand on this drastically, especially in the Tratior of Mars. Carl KNOWS there's going to be a problem on Mars and put Rico there to help with the situation, and sent Carmine back to help get the word out of the situation while saving Rico. Carl then becomes the defacto head of the Federation military and asks Rico and Carmin to take on greater leadership roles to help humanity fight smarter, better, and moat importantly, keeping troopers and fleet personnel alive. It's funny how Carl becomes the most human element in the Federation military while being portrayed as an unfeeling sociopath.
@@Baldeagle-tw2nvOne of the most intelligent comments i’ve seen recently. Not showing your emotions, or being emotionally manipulated doesn’t mean one does not care.
DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU STUPID??????? YOU CLAIM THAT THE GOVERNEMNT BASICALLY CONTROLS ALL THE TV CHANNELS AND IS CONSTANTLY MAKING PROPAGANDA AND LYING!!!!!!!!!!!! YET WHEN 100,000 DEAD HAPPENS IN 1 HOUR, SUPPOSEDLY THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT WILLING TO LIE, AND JUST TELLS THE TRUTH??????????? ALSO, IN ANY AUTHORITARIAN GOVERNMENT, ZERO OF THE ELADERS WOULDS HAVE EVER STEPPED DOWN!!!!!!!! THE VERY FACT, THAT THE SKY MARSHALL RESIGNS, IS ABSOLUTE PROOF THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS NO WHERE NEAR AS AUTHORITARIAN AS YOU CLAIM IT TO BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D
Carl was training Rico to use intuition and that's why helped him find Carmen in time.
Interesting note about the recruiting in the movie vs book.... In the book they actively tried to dissuade you from joining up (other than when needed for war of course). The Vets at the recruiting office in wheelchairs and with crude mechanical and/or no arms and legs walked out of there at the end of the day with top of the line prosthetics that were basically indistinguishable from normal limbs all provided by the state for their service.
Even in the movie Rico tells his dad they try to dissuade you from joining.
visually the metal prosthetics works to quickly inform the viewer of the context, but I get what you're saying. It could also be said that the military types aren't ashamed of their sacrifice so the tech is relatively less expensive when not over-engineered to mimic real limbs. (you see this irl with cutting edge prosthetics in both aspects, with the more lifelike designs being more expensive)
@@neotower420it’s actually mentioned in the book when Rico talks to recruiter that had no legs and was missing an arm outside of the recruiting center that the prosthetic arm actually felt like flesh
As "cheesy" as this movie is, I can watch it over and over again, because it's that cheesy
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Minor correction, in Heinlein's story citizenship is earned by *Federal* service, which can be military or civil service. The character we follow goes the military route, but other paths ate available.
The story suggesting a world where only military veterans are citizens is a utopia has been a gross mischaracterization of what Heinlein portrayed for 50+ years. Personally I blame Heinlein for that, since it's very easy to miss the one sentence where any alternatives are described. I think he was trying to avoid an infodump.
The movie (which I love) doubled down on this mistake to great effect. The only part that sucks about it is a hyperbolic attack about Heinlein being fascist (which is absurd when you dig into it more) is given more weight.
He mentions other paths like field testing space equipment and colony duties (whatever they might be), as well as underlining that *anyone* regardless of physical or mental capacity has a right to earn citizenship and that the Federation will provide some kind of service for participate in no matter what.
He also specifically states that the only reason there are so many openings into the military service (a service that usually is somewhat redundant and therefore small in size) is because of the war, which clearly is NOT the norm.
The point of why the directoe changed that in the movie was because he was drawing comparisons to our society at the time.
The Verhoeven trilogy is a great afternoon to spend. Robocop, Starship Troopers and Total Recall.
Dang, I've seen this movie way more than I've seen any other; probably in the hundreds. And there's stuff I still hadn't caught on to until you pointed it out. Awesome video! :)
People didn't understand the movie and the director didn't understand the book.
Prior to reading the book I liked this movie and were it to stand on it's own, it is not a bad movie but once I read the book the movie really soured for me because it is a sad farse of the book. At best you could say it was loosely based on the book, but as this video notes they already had a script written and then just adapted that script as minimally as possible to use the Starship Troopers name. It's clear they never had any intention to make something even resembling the book they just needed the name's coattails to ride so the movie would be funded. The movie completely changes what the story is even about. It's clear those involved only wanted to make thier own statement and did not care if they unjustly misrepresented and butchered the books story as long as they got to say thier piece and for that they should be ashamed of themselves.
The book had many layers to the story. First it was the story of a boy making a rash decision for all the wrong reasons that would shape the rest of his life and then him looking back only to realize given the chance he would not change that decision. 2nd it was a political statement about the inherently broken systems of gorernment that existed at the time of writing and that still holds true to this day about how the biggest problem with war is that generally those making the decision to go to war are rarely the ones who will pay the real price of war as they are almost never the "boots on the ground" so to speak (this is about the only thing that the movie properly portrays but still not very well). 3rd It makes a moral/ethical statement about trying to find a system of who will have governing power that will overall have the best interests of the society as a whole in mind instead of just furthing the interests of those making the decisions. The more times you read this book the more there is to find.
For anyone who believes this book promotes fascism I challenge you to really read and think about what this book says not just take the word of someone else that told you what to think about it. Personally I think it was a shameful travesty that this movie was ever allowed to carry the name Starship Troopers as they failed in nearly everyway possible to represent the book.
Couple of points about the meteor hitting BA: Ibanez’s first outing on the roger young was struck by that meteor (disabling their comms, more on that) after it had come out of warp space I think she called it. This throws just a bit of water on the whole “bugs shooting the meteor millions of years prior”
I don’t think the Federation intentionally let the meteor strike; why deny themselves millions of bodies to labor at all the things the Federation could use them for. They just weren’t alerted by the (damaged) roger young that was on patrol/training.
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Maybe population control. I thought same about why women are so driven to work and nothing else as part of propaganda.
What is a couple or millions life lost compared to billions of dollars in new funds, tens of millions new recruits and to unite the entire earth behind the military industrial complex?
No more internernal strife and fighting, no more inter-human wars, no more internal terrorism. A entire planet united against a outside enemy. No more criticism against the war...
It is a simple win win win win.
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I did not remember the asteroid coming out of warp space, but that would explain something. But still: The Roger Young has shuttles, Carmen came in one. They could have used the communications array of that one, the radio would have travelled with light speed to Earth as it does in a vacuum. So... Still think they did not let that happen?
@@TheL4W You're assuming those radios have that kind of range. A shuttle craft wouldn't need anything other than relatively short range so far as interstellar distances would be considered.
@@Sujad I do not know much about radio range in space, but I had assumed that there would not be much to interfere with it (like air or sth. like that). We can talk to a Mars rover and to probes that have left the solar system in this day and age and 400 years in the future shuttles cannot reach Earth from the edge of the solar system?
Holy hell.
I subscribed because of how much you went through. If I ever I want to know anything about any movie..
Great video full of things I never knew about the film, thanks.
I've always enjoyed the fact that the same author that wrote "Starship Troopers" also wrote "Stranger In A Strange Land".
RH was an incredibly complex man. He is often misunderstood by those with a binary view of politics and society. He was an early right leaning libertarian in many ways. But that is an incomplete analysis.
I feel he was a skeptic. Someone always challenging groupthink and societal norms because he felt they stifled and enslaved us as humans.
He felt it was his role to ask uncomfortable questions and challenge norms to get people to think about what they otherwise take for granted.
Or, he wrote to the market. Money
@@robinstevenson1098lol, no. Before STs, his works largely were flops.
@@robinstevenson1098If that were the case he'd have been writing out serialized Sci-fi versions of Tarzan or Conan the Barbarian. That was how one generally made money as an author in Heinlein's day. In the 40's an 50's Sc'fi was still considered "Kid Stuff" and was not likely to make a financial fortune from penning a single novel.
Love is that condition in which the happiness of another person is essential to your own.
Jealousy is a disease, love is a healthy condition. ...
A desire not to butt into other people's business is at least eighty percent of all human wisdom.
But goodness alone is never enough.
16:35 Actually, in Argentina we do have a lot of white people, our early governments encouraged European immigration so we had big waves of such from 1860 to 1920, specially from Italy and Spain (along with the many Spanish and Spanish-related locals from the Colonial era) but also from Germany (who has big "colonies" in the cold south), Ireland (Saint Patrick's Day is a big thing in Buenos Aires), Poland, Ukraine, etc., and then again another wave of refugees from WWII (including the n4zis, the government of that time tried their own Operation Paperclip/Osoviakhim).
I myself have a weird mix of Swiss and Spanish grandfathers, and most of the people I know have Italian surnames😅
It is amazing to me how misunderstood the book is. The society in the book is not fascist. The messaging in the book is not fascism. It really is mind boggling.
And thats exactly why its one of the best movies existing. Thanks
Verhoeven didn't even read the book, got someone to give him the summary.
The book is really fantastic, as it spends very little time on the combat, but instead on the overall regimentation of Rico's life. In essence, going into combat is no different from anything else he does: It's just following orders and doing what he's been trained to do. There's a dryness to the fight scenes that punctuate how disconnected Rico is from the horror and carnage he experiences and inflicts. There's also very little in the way of analysis or explanation of the bug's intentions or sentience, because those aren't thoughts he's trained to have.
Heinlein's own life experiences are reflected in the society of Starship Troopers. He grew up in a German-American military family (having ancestors that fought in American wars going all the way back to Independence), was eager enough to serve that he lied about his age to join the National Guard (in 1924, so there was no war), and sought to go to the Naval Academy because he couldn't afford to go to college. He carpet bombed his senator with letters until he was admitted. So, childhood narrative driving military zeal plus a need to serve in order to have the full opportunities of society. He became an engineer, served on some of the most advanced ships in the fleet, and after being discharged for medical reasons (and turning to science fiction writing), he rejoined after Pearl Harbor and convinced other sci-fi writers like Asimov to come with him as they used their practiced imaginations to dream up strategies for overcoming or exploiting technical advantages & disadvantages. There are parallels to that in the stories of all the central kids of Troopers. The atomic bombs changed him, though, and he went on to be a powerful voice in the anti-nuclear testing movement, which is what lead to him making a hard turn from writing pulp science fiction aimed at kids to penning the political treatise that is Starship Troopers.
Heinlein had some... let's say controversial stances with regards to the importance of military discipline in people's lives, a continued idealism of the glory in honourable warfare, and about making yourself subservient to society with a willingness to sacrifice, but it's important to note that the not-so-subtle Nazi references that you highlighted were features of the movie, not the book. When the film was released, Heinlein fans were livid specifically because of the fascist portrayal of the human government and society. Now, I would say that Heinlein's fictional society was also fascist, but differently so, and the distinction is worth noting. While the movie shows former members of the military serving in civilian functions as a demonstration of the depth of propaganda (and you illustrated it brilliantly), Heinlein portrayed ALL civil service professions (including teaching) as being on par with the military as an avenue for service that would lead to citizenship and suffrage. It was built on the idea that a willingness to serve - to sacrifice the best of yourself for society - should be necessary in order to be entrusted with making decisions that would impact that society. Starship Troopers is an exploration of how an advanced society with the power to destroy itself - something that was a brand new consideration at the time - could figure out how to distribute the levers of power in such a way that it ultimately wouldn't be destroyed.
And importantly, in viewing that society through the eyes of a boy who literally becomes a thoughtless killing machine, Heinlein was hardly leaving us with the impression that HE thought he had it all figured out....
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The book was satire written by an Anarcho capitalist who would allow himself to be at times called a libertarian.
He was a hard individualist. Not a fascist. Rico was a fucking Filipino. Heinlein wasn't racist. He was mocking Nazis. Not celebrating their fascist group think ideas
Just fuck. Why'd you just make all that up.
Unlike Asimov, Heinlein never thought he had all the answers, and never bought into eutopia thinking. He's one of the most influential libertarians ever, up there with Mises and rothbard.
The over-simplification of the anti-human side to only the movie's Bugs always annoyed me more than anything. The chapter of the novel where Johnny is using his POWER ARMOR to jump/fly through the city of the Skinnies (the Italian Fascists to the "Bugs" German Nazis) and performing psychological warfare against them to try to break that alliance was for me vastly more though provoking than the "ooh maybe the human soldiers are ALL being mind controlled by the government" theory espoused here. No surprise, since (1) more aliens = more cost to portray them on screen, and more moral and political complexity to be shown by the writers and director, and (2) Verhoeven FAMOUSLY didn't even bother to READ the book.
That is my actual gripe with this film, that the director took a book about high tech power armored troopers fighting an army of mostly grunt bugs by a writer who ACTUALLY said at the time that it wss about the Chinese Communist armies and turned it into a low tech parody of the things the director didn't like from a war he was mostly too young to understand when it happened. Too GD lazy to write or find something that said what he wanted he took the very least possible from an award winning book and made something so unlike the source it isn't funny. This movie soured my on Mr. Verhoeven's work, and I haven't really enjoyed anything from him since. Even Total Recall hews closer to the source than this, and it is a short story blown up into a 113 minutes of widescreen Schwarzenegger scenery-chewing.
By Fascism are we talking corporate control over the state plus totalitarianism and ultra racial nationalism?
@@chillhaze6428 Verhoven didn't read the book because the starship troopers film isn't based on the book. It's based on an original screen play called "bug hunt at outpost 49" or some other number. Studio execs thought it would be more profitable to attach the starship troopers title on it since they both had troopers fighting bugs. Some names were swapped and that's all she wrote.
Great video, very well done. Thank you!
"Eagles are of course a staple of the United States, but they are also what Germany used on their symbols too".
Friendo, the eagle was a symbol for Germany for just about a thousand years before the first person ever thought about the United States. If you see the Eagle, you think of Germany. Only US-Americans are a bit confused about that, and they don't use it nearly as frequently enough.
Among other nations that come to mind/I-looked up:
Imperial Russia
Mexico (it's eating a snake atop a cactus. Metal.)
Serbia
Moldova
Egypt
Persia
Poland
and more...
The eagle is a good looking bird. Popular among any people that seek to have independence from their neighbors. But far from the only two that come to mind, are Germany and the United States.
Rome called. They want their symbol back.
Like the rest of my mates in the comments, i specifically hit that bell for this breakdown, yes no pressure but ive been waiting for this all summer paul. ONLY GOOD BUG IS A DEAD ONE!
I’m doing my part! Thank you for checking it out.
No bell on the phone
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Great film, brilliant analysis. Loads of stuff I hadn’t realised. Thank you mate
I'm 2:31 into your review, and yes, it does touch on these topics in the book, but not like you may remember. In "Starship Troopers" the book, Heinlen spends most of the book critiquing the society he constructed. The movie takes that to a whole different direction. In the book Heinlen explains the world government formed from veteran soldiers all over the world coming together from getting sick of fighting wars for wealthy men. To this end, to gain a vote, you must serve. Everyone starts as a private. You don't need to serve. You may own property. But you don't get a vote. Not exactly the blanket fascism described here. Edit: And EVERYONE may serve. A position will be found for the willing.
This! I get frustrated people missing this.
Imagine the whole class who like Rico's parents who live entire lives but are "just not into politics". Then they wake up when their kids are dying on a bug planet... or Ukraine.
Or Donbas.@@TheIndianaGeoff
The teachers were even telling you how much fighting sucked since they got amputations or blindness. The government doesn't have pride flags everywhere like in American schools, but it isn't forcing students to enter just to do a Democracy. @@114Riggs
Thank you. There's quite a few takes on the video where I just wonder if we saw the same movie.
Yeah yeah starship trooper breakdown....that was cool. Your theory time song was the true star!!!
Absolutely amazing video. Always loved that movie
Most of the claims of the book being Fascist are made by people who never read it. They believe that to get franchise in the story, you have to be in the military. In the book it describes Federal Service as being more than just the military, it just focuses on the military aspect. In the Troopers universe, even the Peace Corps would qualify for full citizenship.
I thought it was a given that Rasczak sent that guy to his death because he clearly saw those rocks fall and knew something was up there, but I never considered the possibility that he did it because he wanted that guy out of the way so he could promote Rico. I had assumed it was because he saw all of the grunts as disposable because he was utilitarian. Like "Oh, there's something hiding on that ridge? No problem, I'll just sacrifice one of my pawns to flush whatever it is out." The whole movie shows how the soldiers are treated as expendable, so I feel like either theory could work.
Why not both?
I think it's simpler than that. He regarded the sergeant as more expendable than Rico, so he sent the sergeant on the dangerous solo mission.
@@marcdavies7046interesting that in the book starhip marines were super elite, every last one highly valuable. In the movie they are just another form of zerg fighting actual zerg.
@@DartNoobo In the book they're basically the equivalent of Special Forces. The training alone they went through was months and months, far more than regular military.
@@furrybogard9724 they can't really do that justice in the movie. That is a common theme in military novels etc. Months and months of training or just sitting around waiting etc. Then moments of terror and death. The long training stints etc make the violence that much more impactful. Then after a flash of craziness it's just back to get mundane reality of waiting for it to happen again
You didn’t mention that with that death sentence it was going to broadcast on all channels so they can further show the people what happens if you break the law.
The drastic difference in the fleet and mobile infantry is to show the difference between the different branches of the military (army, marines) are mobile infantry, fleet is (air force, navy) also further illustrated when Rico says “MI does the dying, fleet just does the flying”
I think the arguably best part of the parody is that it tows the line so well, it works more like a mirror given what people do and don’t see and what is and isn’t so “obvious” about its messaging.
Anyone who actually reads the novel will see that military service is not the only avenue to franchise in the story. There are multiple pathways. It states that federal service is a gateway to franchise. If one looks at his story, there are many lines of civil service available, not just the military. So the militaristic slant portrayed in the movie was really IMHO, pretty myopic. In his book, Heinlein's government awarded franchise to those willing to perform service to their fellow man, a right earned by showing an interest beyond ones self. Federal service was voluntary, not compulsory. His theory being that, 1.A right that is earned would be exercised with more thoughtfulness than if it is just given away willy-nilly. 2. Those who have demonstrated a desire to serve others will be less likely to abuse said right in a self serving manner than those who have no such desire. Verhoeven admitted that he never read the novel, but barely skimmed through it before making his film. So his movie is actually a poor rendition of the book, and did a great disservice to Heinlein's work. Verhoeven also portrayed the bugs as basically driven by instinct. Heinlein's Arachnids were highly intelligent "Stupid races don't build spaceships."[quote from the novel], and capable of forming alliances with other species. Heinlein was also attempting to draw awareness at the time (1950's) by his stories parallel between the western democracies and the communist countries and their various satellite states. It was also a treatise on civic virtue, and an analysis of the effect of a the lack of said virtues on a society. His best line in the novel reflected on the destructiveness of a people being focused on "their rights" and ignoring the responsibilities that go hand in hand with those rights. It was philosophically, quite illuminating. And is very applicable in todays society. The one thing that I truly missed that was different between the book and the novel, was the lack of the powered armor with gorilla sized weapons that made the trooper a very formidable foe. Also a marked difference in the way that the Mobile Infantry entered a combat theatre. They were referred to as cap troopers, because they entered combat from orbit like paratroopers, ejected from the troop transport like rounds from a rifle, and dropping through the planets atmosphere in capsules with layers that burned away, hence the term cap (capsule) troopers. Now that would have been more exciting to see than a dropship.
Verhoeven already had a script (Bug hunt) that he wanted to make a film of, but the only way he got funding was through the Starship Trooper license... so he skimmed the book to get enough details to paste onto Bug hunt that it could be passed as an adaptation of the book.
"Starship Troopers" is a great movie, but director Verhoeven didn't even read the novel and had very little respect for the original source material, which is a great, influential classic novel which has stood the test of time. It's a shame that director Verhoeven didn't actually respect the brilliance of author Robert Heinlein or his science fiction fans. Verhoeven spent too much time making his own film about his own opinions and too little time making an actual film version of the novel "Starship Troopers".
Absolutely. As others have pointed out, Verhoeven didn't read or even care to understand the novel and the actual reason why society is the way it is. He just was lazy and slapped "generic nazi /authoritarian society" on it because it happens to be militaristic.
It was propaganda to get youth to enlist in the multiple forever wars.
America REALLY needs to focus on tightening the bolts at home before it implodes instead of “hmm we should go halfway around the world to kill strangers we do not interact with. Why does America attack other countries?
Defense yes 100% necessary.
Attacking nearly random people to make more money by using up supplies- just evil.
Good comment.
Heinlein was a crazy dude (see his later works) but this movie (which I love) is an deliberate insult to the book because verhoeven refused to read it so stood no chance of understanding it.
The cap troopers meeting on the bounce (uplift back to orbit), being shot out of troop carriers like rounds in a revolver to enter the combat zone, toting mini nuke grenades in the shoulder launchers on their mech suits etc would all have been excellent additions to the movie even if verhoeven only wanted to paint it as a nazi society.
A missed opportunity. Id love to see a movie version that was true to the book.
It's a great book. And it's a great movie. My problem is that the movie was made by a director who literally said he hates the book. That book deserves a movie made by people who actually liked it.
Nowadays, whenever someone says that some fact out there "offends" them, it reminds me of that scene where the guy says that he finds the idea of an intelligent "bug" offensive. Facts never care about your feelings.
Had to pause the video to rewatch the movie, such a great classic
The more practical effects that a movie uses the better it ages. The sooner filmmakers figure this out the better off we will all be. This is the reason SST and Hell Boy STILL look good.
You'd be amazed how much of modern production is actually CGI and you'd never know unless you knew, if that makes sense. It's really obvious in massive action scenes etc but even in the more mundane settings it's everywhere. Also, practical effects are prohibitively expensive for most productions to the point where you need to be a Ridley Scott or Christopher Nolan level director to get the budget to do such things. This movie existed in a sort of sweet spot era where practical was still very common and done all the time, and CGI was getting to the point where it was actually good. I think the peak of this era was around 1999-2003 ish with things like Gladiator, The Matrix and Lord of the Rings.
@@TalesOfWar I agree with everything you said. It blow me away now how CGI seems to be worse now than back then. Matrix and LOTR look flawless 20+ years later.
15:00 one of my favorite parts of the book is when the recruiting sergeant is revealed to have both legs and that he had them hidden under him while recruiting to scare away anyone who panicked at the potential of lost limbs.
In the novel, he did lose his legs in combat, but had what could be considered bionic replacements. Rico and his friends are surprised to see him fully ambulatory when they run into him later on.
@@MrAndyBearJr oh, it’s been so long since I’ve read it I must’ve misremembered. Thanks for the correction. And I was kind of young when I read it so I might’ve misunderstood it at the time.
@@MrAndyBearJr That would make sense cos if he could have that bionic hand, he surely would have bionic legs too.
@@MrAndyBearJr it was just Rico I think, the sgt was lighting a cig and they almost walked past each other the sgt said hello to him opening the question
@@jhnshep I always thought that this encounter in the book had more depth than one would initially realize. During the conversation at their enlistment, the sergeant was intent on insuring that the new recruits fully understood the possible consequences of their decision. Once that decision was made, and he was met outside the recruitment center, his obvious delight in Rico’s choice of service was an encouragement to him. I think that helped bolster Johnny’s confidence and determination when he told his parents about his decision. It also contrasted with his teacher, Mr. Dubois’s decision to wait until Rico was well into his training, before he wrote his letter of encouragement during Rico’s most difficult time. Knowing that someone else had been there, and understood what he was facing really helped Rico over the hump. As a military veteran, having read this book before joining, the insight was significant in helping me as a young recruit, recognize and overcome that same hurdle in my training.
You suggest that Johnny’s/Juanito’s didn’t serve because being rich, they didn’t have to. None of the recruits looked poor (keeping with the director’s ‘Starship 90210’ casting and theme) and the shower scene exposition. Lack of money was never presented as a reason for enlisting.
Then jump into helldivers 2!!! Great review BTW one of my favorite movies
One thing I noticed when I first saw this film was that the Bug planets were all basically barren desert wastelands. One presumes they have suitable conditions for the Bugs to thrive on them, but from the humans' perspective they are barely habitable. So even if the humans "win" the war and capture all the Bug planets for themselves, all they're getting is a pile of barely usable space rocks.
They are getting not-deleted.
It's about extermination, not territory. The bugs are literally throwing rocks at earth.
@@bmagadabut extermination of whom? The troops aren’t being trained to fight bugs, they’re being trained to fight other humans, the bugs are just a distraction that put up more of a fight than they thought they could
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Love it, the sequels were absolutely terrible but this one rocks.🤘🏽
@@Sk4M_.RangeroftheNorth agreed, the sequels were so awful
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Actually the line Death from Above comes from paratrooper battalions from the US Military. James Cameron just put it in his film aliens just like they did is Starship Troopers.
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Something you got wrong:
Starship Trooper's word isn't a Military Dictatorship, it's a federation.
you don't need to join the military to become a citizen, you can perform a term of Federal Service, but the bar for entry is high and spaces are limited. The Military's bar is low, and they're usually always happy for fresh bodies.
Great film, better book. Like most of these stories, I'd wager. Anyhow, I highly recommend the book! Such a great read.
The book is a libertarian fever dream that borders on facisim. The movie is satirizing the book and shows how ridiculous and authoritarian it is.
Verhoven made a movie without understanding the source material or what he was satirizing. That name rights were bought for a completely different movie explains it somewhat.
If he was making a satire of current events, it's he great though.
Bugs slaughtered human colonists and attacked Earth, they aren't the victims.
I argue against your statement and say the humans are the only agressors in this movie.
I also went through a phase where I thought Verhoeven didn't understand Heinlein's work. But now I think he understands it in great detail, but he has contempt for Heinlein's naive militarism. The film presents militarism through its own propaganda style, and then deconstructs it brutally.
One of my favorite movies, I've seen it at least over 50 times.....it's just one of those movies you can have playing in the background while cleaning the house and it never gets old.
thought i saw all the starship troopers analysis I could but this video brings out many points I never thought about before !
I have a head cannon that Rico's teacher was actually a young, confused idealist like Rico himself. We see his final form which leads to his death, and Rico is anything but him. But as Rico gets into the military, his original personality starts being stripped away.
After being made to kill his teacher - common device to indicate a coming of age rite of passage, stepping out from your father's shadow to become your own man, etc - Rico starts adopting everything about him. His catchphrases, his mannerisms, his no-nonsense attitude. So then I wonder, where did the teacher learn this from in his own youth? How far back does it go? It also shows the power of the indoctrination.
They show the power of propaganda and indoctrination in pop culture/movies so the majority is incapable of seeing it right before their eyes, as has been happening for decades, the most pronounced being 2020 to this very day: there are still tons who believe cooties19 is the super duper deadliestVarus of all time, and you need to line up for more ClawtShawtz or else you'll TOTALLY get the sniffles!
The comfortable lie is better than the uncomfortable Truth for most people's minds, and as we've seen and will continue to see this winter of 2023, most people would literally rather ☠️ than THINK.
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I love this movie so much. I was almost an adult when this movie came out but the subtext went over my head too. I still quote this movie all the time. It is so great! Another awesome review! Thanks!
Thanks so much mate, always appreciate your kind words
That's because the subtext was sloppy and botched because it was reimagined by an activist, was agenda driven and had nothing to do with the source material
Most of the subtext didn't exist.
It was shoehorned in by an illiterate idiot named Paul Verhoeven who couldn't be bothered to READ the novella, but what do you expect from a Leftist who believes everyone around him that doesn't believe in EVERYTHING he does is a "fascist."
You should read the section on history and moral philosophy, and then look at our so-called mostly peaceful protests, decline of inner cities, and how dangerous are cities have become will we will not punish people for their bad behavior which only encourages more bad behavior. And tell me again that he wasn't right....
I was 11 when it came out, and I knew it was satire. But my home was fairly political and my dad talked about politics and war history all the time
I always loved the line "come on you apes, do you want to live forever?" As it can be interpreted in multiple ways
Man this such a great film, it really makes you want to go play some starcraft afterwards and crush some bugs yourself
I remember studying this film in college. The movie posters changed soon after it hit theaters. They originally focused on the message of the film, but quickly switched to "Hey look, an action movie!"
Not convinced the Lt. Raz sent the Sgt. to his death for the purpose of replacing him. As a line office in charge of a combat unit in the field, during a time of war, in a militaristic society, he would have had every authority to replace his Sgt. with Rico at will. He also states that people get promoted until they die, or he finds someone better. So the option to replace peopple at will is reinforced. He also needs every fighting body he can get. He probably knew that there was a high likelihood of death (they ARE in the middle of a war), but the position and communication between command and the unit is reason enough to risk it. Not to mention, he did not only lose his Sgt, but more importantly - also lost the radio. That radio is arguably more valuable than any single life in that situation and he would not have lost that on purpose. The Lt. was way too good of a combat officer to replace somebody in that manner, from a pragmatic and tactical point of view.
Verhoeven is one of the most underrated directors ever. Every movie has layers…except showgirls, maybe.
Bro seeing the same Discover ad 15 times in one video is brutal.
I think this might have been the first midnight movie I saw and it was such a fun time. The audience I was in was totally into it and there was lots clapping and yelling at the screen. Kind of like a live mystery science theater 3000.