I suspect the elves, being elves, would have far less problems holdings bows at full draw. Especially since they'll be elven bows, which you can reasonably expect to be on par or even superior to human bows in terms of power and distance while being lighter and putting less strain on the elf in question holding the draw.
@@sorrowandsufferin924doesnt work like that though. 120 pounds is 120 pounds. The only way to hold that at full draw casually with no straining is to have super human strength, which the elves dont have. Its a movie trope. Thats all. No need to cope about it
@@trolltalwar it can work like that though, when you have the "a wizard did it" explanation at your disposal. Just like the elven Lembas bread can fill a grown man with just a bite, elven bows can be lighter to pull while being more powerful because magic.
@@maximilienrobespierre7927 its a good concept that i like and would be cool in a fantasy setting. However, until you find me proof within lord of the rings lore that thats how elven bows work, we have to assume they function like any other bow
Assuming they spend 8 hours sleeping in their back yard, 8 hours working in their back yard, and 8 hours cooking, eating, and relaxing in their back yard, I'd still say the risk is minimal considering there are barriers between yards and he seems to be aiming at targets instead of their livers.
I used to be an archer and I loved that scene in the Lord Of The Ring. Because despite how ripped you were, those tradional bows were really not meant to be used to hold your aim, so it's nice to see that one of the archers couldn't hold his aim anymore because of how it was straining him. I've never tried a compound bow. However, I've heard that at first, it's hard to pull. But once you pulled it halfway back, it gets much easier which is why you can hold your aim for much longer. And that made me understand why it's often used in bow hunting.
@@V_2077 He wanted the orcs to get closer and grantee hits to vitals most likely, because most of them are armored even if just 10% of the arrows did not find flesh to get stuck in the archers would not have served as big a deterrent as they should. Plus the longer they kept the stalemate the greater the chance pf receiving aid from others like what eventually happened anyway.
@@V_2077 that's the thing he forgot everyone is not some genetically alter human(Númenóreans) like him that is also a ranger trained by elves. He is out of his depth being a commander here, he wasn't even the first or second leader at this place, but thanks to the story he wound up in command, something that served as a learning experience for him on his way to becoming king.
Team Fortress 2 did a really interesting take on this. The Sniper can hold his bow at full draw for an indefinite amount of time because that makes the most sense for game mechanics, but after about 5 seconds of it his grip starts to waver from the strain and the accuracy of the shot goes way down.
Chivalry 2 does this as well; bows shoot their max strength right at full draw, where holding gradually reduces damage and adds inaccuracy until your stamina is drained. Can't remember if it forces the shot or if it cancels it completely upon exhaustion.
@@J-sv9dphe's not an archer, but he is so experienced in battles by his 140 years of living, and really the main problem is... It's not in the books, so moviemakers just did a mistake)
@@kaDOA-xg6tfI'm rationalising the movie clip - I like to suspend my disbelief during movies. I realise that my fictional explanation of a fictional event was not the intention of anybody involved 😁
I like this in Avatar frontiers of pandora, in the game you're also supposed to shoot fast, because your character can't pull the bow too long, loved the detail and learned to aim faster in games 😁
In competition archery, you usually have a little device on your bow called clicker. It's a metal plate that slides along the arrow and snaps back against the bow when you're at your desired draw length, making a distinct *click* noise. Most competition archers are hard wired to let go when they hear that noise. I once dropped my phone bc the guy next to me had his clicker go off lol
If you notice they release the moment it snaps .....this has more to do with making sure of an expanding release rather than a static or worse a collapsing release
@@jareth7456 it's also just so mechanically you eliminate or reduce the force variable when you pull a bow. The more consistent your draw length is, the more consistent the force you apply to the arrow to make it fly, the tighter your grouping is. And well hey, if you are so conditioned to the point that you hear a clicker going off and you started to drop your stuff you might want to recondition yourself. Idk about you, but in open competitions there's just so many clickers going off, it may be hard to discern yours vs the others which may causes you to prematurely fire and missing your target. Getting to feel the vibration of the clicker going off is a good way to recondition and I used to just blast music in my ears with some bluetooth earphones and train that way. Bad part is, you can't hear the arrow hitting the target lol.
Just after this video I realised how much work was put into red dead redemption 2 and ghost of Tsushima. I'm sure there's more games like these, but it's the two games that I love, that put so much work into realism
In Ghost of Tsushima, you're actually unable to hold your bow drawn indefinitely. Your aim will gradually shake more, until the arrow slips from your grip.
Red dead redemption 2 portrays this perfectly, the bow starts creaking if you hold it at full draw for a long rime and the shot is incredibly inaccurate. Great detail 💯
I've got a 105lb English longbow and my bowyer says to draw no more than 5 seconds, just to be safe. You run the risk of it exploding after 10 seconds, not that I could even if I wanted to.
@@macklinillustration The potential energy wants to throw all the debris forward, so you're mostly safe. I've also seen warbows break arrows, which can slam into your hand. My bowyer jammed his thumb for a week once.
@@macklinillustration I've had that happen, though not due to holding it back for too long (it was a new bow, 100#@32", and the wood had a flaw in it that wasn't apparent from the outside).
@@bottomless_pit check out Gotham Archery in NYC. I haven't worked there in years, but that's where i taught. My boss made me do the math and i instructed over 30,000 people in my 3.5 years there
I did archery at my summer camp as a 5 year old. No wonder I couldn't use any of the bows or launch any of the arrows. I couldn't exert 50 pounds of force on anything
You should! I havent practiced in a while but from my experience archery guilds (yes, theyre called that instead of clubs) tend to be fairly chill. At least at mine, training was basically freeform, ours started at 7pm but you could basically arrive whenever you wanted after that, and keep going for however long you liked and take breaks whenever you wanted too. The one thing theyre pretty strict on is when youre allowed to string an arrow, not as long as theres anyone still in front of the shooting line, for obvious reasons.
This makes sense. I trained in archery for HEMA and was taught to knock, aim, draw & loose. No holding. But another RUclipsr said the opposite. Thanks for clearing this up.
I do more larp than hema, but with a heavier bow i just listen to flanagan from ranger's apprentice, and draw from the shoulder you can hold an 80 pound bow back for minutes at time once you've anchored at your shoulder and relaxed the grip in your bow hand, then to release either trust your arm guard if you have one, or rotate your wrist out of the way, and release.
War bows were meant to punch through armor. If you look back into old trick archers from the 50s, some of them were doing shots with 150lb English long bows. Most common bows are like 60lb in today's world.
I didn’t realize bows that weren’t compound were that much harder to hold at full draw. I’m an archery hunter and use a compound bow. Holding at full draw is definitely not easy but there’s a point right before you hit full draw that kind of eases off some of the draw weight. I really enjoy your videos. My family always talks about how they used to hunt before compound bows existed. I’ve learned a lot from your videos about what exactly they are saying.
@@stevess7777 No, but its 2024. The vast majority of people who were alive and hunting before compound bows were invented are dead already. Compound bows were invented during the space race. My grandpa is only about 9 years older than compound bows, and im in my mid 20s. Theyve been around so long, and theyre not really that complicated compared to other things we had literally centuries before them. Until I got interested in archery myself, I assumed compound bows were probably hundreds of years old, and thus a story like this would have seemed fake.
I remember playing games that have a timer for your character holding a bow at full draw and if you hold it for too long, you’ll just automatically shoot. I also recall games that have a mechanic where your shot does bonus damage if you shoot at the moment when you reach full draw and games that have a mechanic where your shot, if you hold full draw for too long, becomes less accurate as your character loses strength from holding it.
But they also have a scene where the Night Watch is defending the Wall, and after drawing their bows the archers are commanded to hold. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this short.
I believe way back in the day in that time frame they were a lot stronger physical and mental that time period was rough always war or just getting slaughtered in a yard fight let’s not forget just alone I’m sure a Steele sword weigh at least 40 pounds and having to wield that around while probably having armor on men has evolved from wat men used to be back in that time period
Funny, I'm thinking of making this a mechanic to, after a turn, you have to use your action to un draw the string or take a shot at disadvantage regardless die to shaking and strain This could be used against enemies to though, as if you take cover and they are drawn, you get a turn to move closer after cause the action is now null or disadvantage😂
@@thescouts4734 I cannot be certain, but I assume your comment is in reference to a readied action with a bow? I would argue the following: 1. Letting go of a string is very easy and I see no possible valid reason for it to cost any kind of action. 2. I don't think readying an attack with a bow necessarily means you've drawn it, you're just looking for that trigger and then you draw, aim, release. 3. My opinion, but I would say any magical bow (which is pretty much the only kind DnD PCs use) would have some kind of ease of draw enchantment helping the wileder, thus negating this houserule from ever actually seeing use. If you weren't talking about readied actions then ignore me.
That's why crossbows took over. You did not need 5-10 years of dedicated training to be able to effectively use a crossbow. Just being strong is not enough, you have to specifically train those muscle group in that movement. Joe Gibbs is an excellent example of what it takes.
I love that i went into this thinking i would learn something new about bow durability and left learning a new fact about how awesome LOTR is! Good on ya mate
I've heard, I don't know if it's true, that archeologists can identify an archer from the Middle age from their arm bones, given the strength needed to pull the cord.
For the English longbow archers in the middle ages, absolutely. They were those super-heavy bows he was on about. All men aged 14 or above were required to do at least 2 hours of longbow practice per week, by law (technically, they still are - law's never been repeale, but you don't generally see it being observed, except by BluminEck here). When the weather was just too crap for longbows, peasants would do target practice instead, which ended up making its way inside to the pub... and is the origin of darts
@@hippymad1muscles can actually change the shape of your bones. I once held a skull where you could tell the guy had just had absurdly developed nuchal muscles.
@@hippymad1yea, it's not like the bone builds layers to make itself stronger when the muscle is used. The best way to keep from breaking your hip (a bone) certainly isn't exercise
Fun fact: during sieges crossbows were preferred because they could be held at full draw for extended periods of time, allowing for greater accuracy compared to bows, as the operator wasn’t expending their energy drawing.
It's always good to learn new things and incorporate those elements into your stories as a writer. It's nice that you found this information fantastic. Keep writing stories!
If it's fantasy, it wouldn't matter about real life. We don't have people riding dragons or conjuring fire with their finger tips. Keep in mind fantasy mainly works with the premise of "suspension of belief" Whatever rules you set in place, they HAVE to be maintained. You can disregard this entire video as long as you maintained that, but the moment you introduce a character struggling to hold a bow at full draw while no other character/scene did, it destroys everything. So make the choice early. There can be exceptions but there needs to be a reason for exceptions.
Lowkey loved GoT for this. They had their archers ready - nock - hold - draw - fire. Then just rain of arrows here and there hitting horses their own men opposing forces and still sending em. Brutal brutal days
In Rambo first blood they requested higher poundage limbs so that it would show Stallone's back muscles more. The bow was modified with offset cams in order to eliminate the guide from the standard Hoyt for aesthetics. Stallone could actually use a bow though so certainly a flex but more of an exception, mostly actors nowadays are just using bows with an elastic 'string' you can often see where the string is contacting the torso and then bends to the draw hand. It is the reason a lot of scenes are of the upper potion of the bow only. Now that I have mentioned it you will likely never unsee it.. sorry.
You missed one important aspect with older pre fiberglass bows. Wooden bows do not take being held at full draw for extended amounts of time without damage. Generally a few seconds (like 2-3)at full draw is safe but longer than that and the belly fibers permanently compress making the bow slower. Sometimes the extended stress can cause splinters to lift that otherwise wouldn’t
Adding to this, bows are often given to characters considered weak (i.e. women). I am sorry, but you are either weak, or an archer. Katniss, Susan from Narnia, Merida or Ygritte must have amazing back muscles. I do/did HEMA, Kenjutsu, Olympic fencing, Kendo and archery and swinging around a sword for two hours is less exhausting than two hours of shooting my light weight 40lbs bow.
Same. Was pretty decent wit a rapier and thought, a bow is a dexterity weapon, it might be easy to pick up. Turns out, the first week is just trying to keep an arrow straight on the drawn bow.
I like to think that like Elves and other archery based warfare races just have adapted to hold their breath and stance for extended periods of time, unlike a human who needs to almost immediately loose an arrow after getting a target.
@@Novenae_CCG It could also simply be that they've had centuries/millennia of practice while humans have about 20 years total of being in their prime until we start going grey.
I love my compound bow. Pulling 75lbs at 80% let off it’s a breeze to hold. I however have a ton of respect for the trad guys. Hope to grab a recurve one day and give it a go.
@@shigglezz684here’s a fun fact: English/welsh longbowmen in the Hundred Years’ War regularly used 120+ pound longbows. These are the weapons that they used to take down the French knights and supposedly they were so skilled they could sink that arrow into the knight’s visor from 150 yards and fire 6 times before the first one hit the ground. People back then were built different.
@@alphastronghold715 though I’m sure they were extremely skilled I also don’t doubt the stretching of the truth in some of the achievements they accomplished. However I totally agree they we built different. You should research the skeletal differences in archers from that time period. The sheer bone density and size in their forward arm is insane compared to the rest of their body.
I can't believe that's not the only thing the comments are talking about. Only takes one wild shot and you're putting an arrow into your neighbor's window.
It's really fun shooting instinctual. Wish more competitions ran that category for more than just 3d. Would love to see an open instinctual world series.
That scene was designed to show how old some of those Helm's deep defenders were. The old man lost his strength and the arrow accidentally shot away. Beautiful story telling. So subtle, yet so sure.
A young man in his prime cant draw a warbow and hold it for more than 5 seconds before having to let go. Its just a trope to be given the order to draw then stand there for 5 minutes
Fun fact! In Destiny 2, if you hole a bow shot too long (as in a few games) your character will fire automatically, due to strain. Also, the strongest shot isbone fires immediately at full draw, weakening a bit as you hold it.
Bow facts! Fun. I did some archery on holiday once upon a time and the stamina and strength required to draw let alone hold is very suprising, a lot of fun tho. Been thinking about taking lessons and maybe the abundance of your videos im currently seeing is a good push.
Also, Aragorn 1st didn't tell him to draw the bow, the villager did so on his own; and second, Aragorn didn't even say the hold your fire line until after he had released the arrow.
This will probably be one of the knowledges that I won't be able to use but it's fine cause it's cool as f😂🔥 I've subscribed now. Lookin forward for more of these😂
“What’s the problem with doing this” nothing. I’m watching a fantasy movie. Im willing to believe that these people are stronger than the average human.
For Legolas and Aragorn (and maybe even the unnamed elves), sure. But it's kinda like gravity working normally 99% of the time and then just random moments of exceptions here and there, it just isn't very consistent imo. I hear your point, tho
Destiny 2, of all games, does bows pretty well. There are different types of bows (recurve, compound, etc) that have different draw times and duration that they can be held. They're most accurate and travel the fastest when released at the right time, and if you hold for too long, your aim will waver before you automatically release. The only way to hold a bow indefinitely is, quite fittingly, a special pair of gauntlets for the Hunter.
man has the physique of a wood elf with the skills too
lol wood elf
He is the wood elf
Um actually In universe they are known as "Bosmer"
@@glassisjusthotsand3661In Skyrim, yes, but not everywhere
@@glassisjusthotsand3661 uhm ackthually ☝️🤓
"What's the problem with doing this?" well, if you accidentally let go, then you run the risk of shooting your camera
Some bows can break when you hold too long at full draw
@@exzendar2523I think they were just making a joke.
@@ShengFink 🫡
@@ShengFink correct. I did actually watch the video. 😃
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Well, that's why the elves didn't draw before command. But the villagers were inexpert and fully drew because they were scared.
The elves are freakishly strong lol
I suspect the elves, being elves, would have far less problems holdings bows at full draw. Especially since they'll be elven bows, which you can reasonably expect to be on par or even superior to human bows in terms of power and distance while being lighter and putting less strain on the elf in question holding the draw.
@@sorrowandsufferin924doesnt work like that though. 120 pounds is 120 pounds. The only way to hold that at full draw casually with no straining is to have super human strength, which the elves dont have.
Its a movie trope. Thats all. No need to cope about it
@@trolltalwar it can work like that though, when you have the "a wizard did it" explanation at your disposal.
Just like the elven Lembas bread can fill a grown man with just a bite, elven bows can be lighter to pull while being more powerful because magic.
@@maximilienrobespierre7927 its a good concept that i like and would be cool in a fantasy setting. However, until you find me proof within lord of the rings lore that thats how elven bows work, we have to assume they function like any other bow
Dude's neighbors have the most dangerous job
Assuming they spend 8 hours sleeping in their back yard, 8 hours working in their back yard, and 8 hours cooking, eating, and relaxing in their back yard, I'd still say the risk is minimal considering there are barriers between yards and he seems to be aiming at targets instead of their livers.
@@chinkasuyaro8983 you must be fun at parties
They’re on their fourth pet dog this month
@@chinkasuyaro8983 you must be fun at parties
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Now it makes sense how Arthur passes out just by holding a bow at full draw
Lol fr
That's such a great detail. RDR2 is amazing
@@MrBeenusno it’s R2D2
@@Shadow66ist Hahaha so funny 😐😐😐
I didn't know droids could pass out! Wow! and I haven't watched that Star Wars movie, I guess I'm not that much of a hard-core fan.
I used to be an archer and I loved that scene in the Lord Of The Ring. Because despite how ripped you were, those tradional bows were really not meant to be used to hold your aim, so it's nice to see that one of the archers couldn't hold his aim anymore because of how it was straining him.
I've never tried a compound bow. However, I've heard that at first, it's hard to pull. But once you pulled it halfway back, it gets much easier which is why you can hold your aim for much longer. And that made me understand why it's often used in bow hunting.
I've used a compound bow before, and yeah, it actually feels weird. There's a point where it just gives and the resistance is really low.
Why did he get fhem to hold in the first place?
@@V_2077 He wanted the orcs to get closer and grantee hits to vitals most likely, because most of them are armored even if just 10% of the arrows did not find flesh to get stuck in the archers would not have served as big a deterrent as they should. Plus the longer they kept the stalemate the greater the chance pf receiving aid from others like what eventually happened anyway.
@@allster0crowly but they didnt have to draw their bows
@@V_2077 that's the thing he forgot everyone is not some genetically alter human(Númenóreans) like him that is also a ranger trained by elves. He is out of his depth being a commander here, he wasn't even the first or second leader at this place, but thanks to the story he wound up in command, something that served as a learning experience for him on his way to becoming king.
Honestly that dude in lord of the rings accidentally letting go early is a nice nod to the realism of bows
Truly
Too bad it was done for a joke.
@@brianpinkey676 yeah
@@brianpinkey676And what? People will truly cry about anything.
@@brianpinkey676 how is that too bad? it’s a movie
Having a breton longbowman explaining bows hits different
i wanna have a bosmor teach me
@@totalygamingtemplar hahahha that'd make more sense in ES context, would be cool regardless, i was actually thinking of aoe2 longbowman
@@andrescontreras3502 YES! SOMEBODY ELSE THAT KNOWS ABOUT AOE!
I’ve actually never thought about that
@@totalygamingtemplar A breton is fine if you can just help get him laid and then raise your archery skill for free
Team Fortress 2 did a really interesting take on this. The Sniper can hold his bow at full draw for an indefinite amount of time because that makes the most sense for game mechanics, but after about 5 seconds of it his grip starts to waver from the strain and the accuracy of the shot goes way down.
Chivalry 2 does this as well; bows shoot their max strength right at full draw, where holding gradually reduces damage and adds inaccuracy until your stamina is drained.
Can't remember if it forces the shot or if it cancels it completely upon exhaustion.
this is the most common solution in games
@@irishsaturday7577 Yep it forces the shot, I'm shit at chivalry so I stand back and play archer a lot.
Hades does something similar where it doesn't become more accurate, there is just a peak damage point for a second right when you reach max draw
@@elliottolandit's not even nearly the same. This mechanic was probably added to make bow more engaging, since it has lack of combos.
Thanks for changing my perception of the early release of the bow in LotR :)
Basically, Aragorn was not an archer and gave them an impractical command. (A bit like when an oboe player writes music for a violin.)
@@J-sv9dphe's not an archer, but he is so experienced in battles by his 140 years of living, and really the main problem is... It's not in the books, so moviemakers just did a mistake)
@@kaDOA-xg6tfI'm rationalising the movie clip - I like to suspend my disbelief during movies. I realise that my fictional explanation of a fictional event was not the intention of anybody involved 😁
You could say Aragorn is used to working with Numenorians and elves who are stronger than normal men.
@@kaDOA-xg6tf Aragorn is in his 80s during the events of lotr.
There's lot of games that if you hold the bow too long it will shoot on it's own without you releasing the button.
Or monster hunter where it rapidly drains your stamina
@@cacophonythegoblin8381 yeah, there's a lot of bad examples but there are some pretty good ones too 👹🙏🏻
Or itll drain your stamina and force you to ease the string
@@darkenergy9760 the shot will go out all wonky too
I’m pretty sure hades has a very quick sweet spot for bows
I like this in Avatar frontiers of pandora, in the game you're also supposed to shoot fast, because your character can't pull the bow too long, loved the detail and learned to aim faster in games 😁
I love that you brought it back to Lord of the rings! Especially because I just assumed the guy got nervous or flinched.
it was actually because he is old and weak and still had to fight in a war
My dumb ass thought it slipped cause of the rain
@aamesworld that's not a terrible thesis.
Ayy that's very plausible still, you not dumb my man@@aamesworld
@@aamesworldI see ppl saying this sounds legit but how tf would the rain affect your holding tension on a bow
This guy's ancestors were definitely legendary bowmen.
Elves live for hundreds of years. He is his own ancestor
His ancestors used Longbows, the traditional bow he is holding in this video is a central Asian bow Mongol/Turkic bow
@@InfiniteCuriosity1210Because of the specific shape or are you saying that there were no short/small bows in Europe?
@@dominicsommer7187😂😂😂👌
He's part wood elf, of course they were.
In competition archery, you usually have a little device on your bow called clicker. It's a metal plate that slides along the arrow and snaps back against the bow when you're at your desired draw length, making a distinct *click* noise. Most competition archers are hard wired to let go when they hear that noise. I once dropped my phone bc the guy next to me had his clicker go off lol
That's very interesting to learn. If you were my sibling I'd definitely get myself a training dog clicker to be randomly pranking you.
If you notice they release the moment it snaps .....this has more to do with making sure of an expanding release rather than a static or worse a collapsing release
@@macklinillustration My sister tried that, didn't work ^^ I think they click at a different frequency or something
@@jareth7456 hence the conditioning to release on the snap
@@jareth7456 it's also just so mechanically you eliminate or reduce the force variable when you pull a bow. The more consistent your draw length is, the more consistent the force you apply to the arrow to make it fly, the tighter your grouping is. And well hey, if you are so conditioned to the point that you hear a clicker going off and you started to drop your stuff you might want to recondition yourself. Idk about you, but in open competitions there's just so many clickers going off, it may be hard to discern yours vs the others which may causes you to prematurely fire and missing your target. Getting to feel the vibration of the clicker going off is a good way to recondition and I used to just blast music in my ears with some bluetooth earphones and train that way. Bad part is, you can't hear the arrow hitting the target lol.
Just after this video I realised how much work was put into red dead redemption 2 and ghost of Tsushima. I'm sure there's more games like these, but it's the two games that I love, that put so much work into realism
In Ghost of Tsushima, you're actually unable to hold your bow drawn indefinitely. Your aim will gradually shake more, until the arrow slips from your grip.
Quite a number of games implement this mechanic
@@Old_Gregg sure but no game is better than ghost of tsushima
@@thejoeluos385toooo trueeee that games Amazing
@@thejoeluos385glaze my guy
Unless you have a special charm
This guy has to be a professional because I’d constantly be worried about impaling my neighbors over that fence haha
... "has to be a pro"...
Guy does youtube videos about the subject, and nailed every shot after aiming half a second
Duuuuuuh ??????
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@@Absolutely_puck_fakestinewow you sound like a fun person
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THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING LMAO
"AAHH dag nabit! someone shot me with a bloody arrow!"- your neighbor when you miss.
Hey, it wasn't bloody when I shot it! That part is your fault!
"stop complaining and bring it back, as usual. and do not forget the trash, too!" his wife
"Again!?"
His neighbors would be Shrek and Fiona haha!
Pretty sure he doesn't miss
The Huntsman from tf2 now makes more sense in how it wobbles after a while
Red dead redemption 2 portrays this perfectly, the bow starts creaking if you hold it at full draw for a long rime and the shot is incredibly inaccurate. Great detail 💯
honestly even in tf2, after holding down the arrow on the huntsman the shot will become super inaccurate
red dead is the most realistic game i ve ever played.
i love red dead, i used to go at a friend's house to play it on his ps4. good times
Mojang was gonna add this where you started to sway in aim after too long of holding it
People hated it
This has been a mechanic in games for ages, even the Thief games in the 90's had it
I've got a 105lb English longbow and my bowyer says to draw no more than 5 seconds, just to be safe. You run the risk of it exploding after 10 seconds, not that I could even if I wanted to.
Yeah, bows of natural materials (whether wood or horn/wood/sinew composite) should not be held back for longer than a few seconds.
Oof an exploding longbow right in front of your face sounds terrifying
@@macklinillustration The potential energy wants to throw all the debris forward, so you're mostly safe. I've also seen warbows break arrows, which can slam into your hand. My bowyer jammed his thumb for a week once.
@@macklinillustration I've had that happen, though not due to holding it back for too long (it was a new bow, 100#@32", and the wood had a flaw in it that wasn't apparent from the outside).
@@RobertN734New tech unlocked. Hold your draw for 10 seconds to unlock scatter shot
I used to teach archery and knife throwing. The pop culture errors you have been covering are music to my ears.
Archery AND knife throwing?!! And they said the coolest teacher ever can't be found 😮
@@bottomless_pit check out Gotham Archery in NYC. I haven't worked there in years, but that's where i taught. My boss made me do the math and i instructed over 30,000 people in my 3.5 years there
Until I took an arrow to the knee
@@hazq3282 until the pandemic, so basically 💀
I did archery at my summer camp as a 5 year old. No wonder I couldn't use any of the bows or launch any of the arrows. I couldn't exert 50 pounds of force on anything
imagine accidentally starting a war because you couldn't hold the draw and hit someone
In tomb raider when Lara is holding her bow at full draw she will let go of the arrow on her own after a couple seconds.
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And hold time also differs on different bows
Women = weak
You've inspired me to get archery lessons. Be prepared, we battle at dawn
I'll grab my popcorn
You should!
I havent practiced in a while but from my experience archery guilds (yes, theyre called that instead of clubs) tend to be fairly chill.
At least at mine, training was basically freeform, ours started at 7pm but you could basically arrive whenever you wanted after that, and keep going for however long you liked and take breaks whenever you wanted too.
The one thing theyre pretty strict on is when youre allowed to string an arrow, not as long as theres anyone still in front of the shooting line, for obvious reasons.
Well that doesn't give you much time to practice let alone get a bow, arrows and a teacher...
@@Bob-Bob1😂😂😂
Did he also inspire you to take up pole dancing?
This makes sense. I trained in archery for HEMA and was taught to knock, aim, draw & loose. No holding. But another RUclipsr said the opposite. Thanks for clearing this up.
I do more larp than hema, but with a heavier bow i just listen to flanagan from ranger's apprentice, and draw from the shoulder you can hold an 80 pound bow back for minutes at time once you've anchored at your shoulder and relaxed the grip in your bow hand, then to release either trust your arm guard if you have one, or rotate your wrist out of the way, and release.
War bows were meant to punch through armor. If you look back into old trick archers from the 50s, some of them were doing shots with 150lb English long bows.
Most common bows are like 60lb in today's world.
I’m in love with the clothes ❤
For Horizon Zero Dawn, if you hold the bow in full draw, after a while Aloy's arm starts shaking
I did not notice that, they have an insane amount of polish and attention to detail in that game series!
@@adrycoughIdk about the rest of the game but this is really not insane detail, nearly every game I know that has bows does this
Hanzo from overwatch as well
@@jeanbon7796 I wasn't talking about the bows, that would be one single minute detail.
same in tf2 if i remember well
I didn’t realize bows that weren’t compound were that much harder to hold at full draw. I’m an archery hunter and use a compound bow.
Holding at full draw is definitely not easy but there’s a point right before you hit full draw that kind of eases off some of the draw weight.
I really enjoy your videos. My family always talks about how they used to hunt before compound bows existed. I’ve learned a lot from your videos about what exactly they are saying.
Cool story bro. 😂😂😂
Compounds transfer most of the draw weight into the cams when you reach full draw. It makes them extremely better for holding on further targets
@@jiovannijones6869So people hunting is something unbelievable to you?
@@stevess7777 No, but its 2024. The vast majority of people who were alive and hunting before compound bows were invented are dead already.
Compound bows were invented during the space race. My grandpa is only about 9 years older than compound bows, and im in my mid 20s.
Theyve been around so long, and theyre not really that complicated compared to other things we had literally centuries before them.
Until I got interested in archery myself, I assumed compound bows were probably hundreds of years old, and thus a story like this would have seemed fake.
@@stevess7777just dudes that live in their room
Respect to TF2’s Huntsman Sniper, his hand starts to shake and he has to release his bow after holding it drawn for a while.
One of very few moments where TF2 is actually realistic.
@@russellbrown6888wait, rocket jumping isn't realistic? 😢😢
@@russellbrown6888wait im not supposed to throw bottles of piss at my enemies???
@@pedronabais1456 it is, the Soldier simply has some big boots so the explosive is only a tad painful.
I remember playing games that have a timer for your character holding a bow at full draw and if you hold it for too long, you’ll just automatically shoot. I also recall games that have a mechanic where your shot does bonus damage if you shoot at the moment when you reach full draw and games that have a mechanic where your shot, if you hold full draw for too long, becomes less accurate as your character loses strength from holding it.
Game of Thrones addressed it properly though! There's a scene where Arya trains and that's exactly the lesson the Brotherhoods archer teaches her.
Was looking for this😂
But they also have a scene where the Night Watch is defending the Wall, and after drawing their bows the archers are commanded to hold. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this short.
I believe way back in the day in that time frame they were a lot stronger physical and mental that time period was rough always war or just getting slaughtered in a yard fight let’s not forget just alone I’m sure a Steele sword weigh at least 40 pounds and having to wield that around while probably having armor on men has evolved from wat men used to be back in that time period
@@JesseyZavalaeven a long sword only weighs around 2 lbs
gods i can imagine you're either a nightmare or a joy to play dnd with
Funny, I'm thinking of making this a mechanic to, after a turn, you have to use your action to un draw the string or take a shot at disadvantage regardless die to shaking and strain
This could be used against enemies to though, as if you take cover and they are drawn, you get a turn to move closer after cause the action is now null or disadvantage😂
@@thescouts4734 I cannot be certain, but I assume your comment is in reference to a readied action with a bow? I would argue the following:
1. Letting go of a string is very easy and I see no possible valid reason for it to cost any kind of action.
2. I don't think readying an attack with a bow necessarily means you've drawn it, you're just looking for that trigger and then you draw, aim, release.
3. My opinion, but I would say any magical bow (which is pretty much the only kind DnD PCs use) would have some kind of ease of draw enchantment helping the wileder, thus negating this houserule from ever actually seeing use.
If you weren't talking about readied actions then ignore me.
People often cant imagine how heavy a string pull was back then.
well, it's literally 180 pounds for a 180 pound bow
@soffa93 they meant, most people now don't realize the strength and endurance required to pull apart 180lbs for hours straight in a battle
That's why crossbows took over. You did not need 5-10 years of dedicated training to be able to effectively use a crossbow. Just being strong is not enough, you have to specifically train those muscle group in that movement. Joe Gibbs is an excellent example of what it takes.
I love that i went into this thinking i would learn something new about bow durability and left learning a new fact about how awesome LOTR is! Good on ya mate
The Neighbors. "Honey little Johny across the yard is dressing up as Legolas again. Go get the dogs and cats inside please"
This guys looks like an elf (in a badass, LOTR kinda way) 💯
He looks like a LOTR tv show elf
He looks like a pole dancer
@@ShayaN9776 Was about to say that. He looks like the new, uncool elves. Not the OG lotr ones. :D
I've heard, I don't know if it's true, that archeologists can identify an archer from the Middle age from their arm bones, given the strength needed to pull the cord.
For the English longbow archers in the middle ages, absolutely. They were those super-heavy bows he was on about.
All men aged 14 or above were required to do at least 2 hours of longbow practice per week, by law (technically, they still are - law's never been repeale, but you don't generally see it being observed, except by BluminEck here).
When the weather was just too crap for longbows, peasants would do target practice instead, which ended up making its way inside to the pub... and is the origin of darts
Strength comes from your muscles, not your bones.
@@hippymad1muscles can actually change the shape of your bones. I once held a skull where you could tell the guy had just had absurdly developed nuchal muscles.
@@hippymad1yea, it's not like the bone builds layers to make itself stronger when the muscle is used.
The best way to keep from breaking your hip (a bone) certainly isn't exercise
@@hippymad1Strength comes from muscles pulling on bones.
Fun fact: during sieges crossbows were preferred because they could be held at full draw for extended periods of time, allowing for greater accuracy compared to bows, as the operator wasn’t expending their energy drawing.
Gotta love rdr2 with the bow details
That’s what I’m saying 😂😂😂
Don't forget tf2!
The new Avatar game does as well! The Sarentu even hisses/complains when forced to let go of their aim.
And KC:D!
And Rise of the Tomb Raider!
As a fantasy writer, this is fantastic information😃
Don't care + didn't ask + cringe
It's always good to learn new things and incorporate those elements into your stories as a writer. It's nice that you found this information fantastic. Keep writing stories!
If it's fantasy, it wouldn't matter about real life. We don't have people riding dragons or conjuring fire with their finger tips.
Keep in mind fantasy mainly works with the premise of "suspension of belief"
Whatever rules you set in place, they HAVE to be maintained. You can disregard this entire video as long as you maintained that, but the moment you introduce a character struggling to hold a bow at full draw while no other character/scene did, it destroys everything.
So make the choice early. There can be exceptions but there needs to be a reason for exceptions.
@@reapordeath Thats a nice thing to keep in mind while writing. Thank you for sharing this.
@@Loquacious_JacksonBye!
Lowkey loved GoT for this. They had their archers ready - nock - hold - draw - fire. Then just rain of arrows here and there hitting horses their own men opposing forces and still sending em. Brutal brutal days
Sounds like a damn good workout.
Ghost of Tsushima is a game that got this right. If you hold a draw for too long, you’ll shoot
I was looking for this comment
@@rgzgr nice 👍🏻
The Tomb Raider trilogy does the same iirc.
Dude I’m playing that game thanks for the heads up
@@S13501 you’re welcome. There is a charm you can get later on in the game that actually takes away this feature, but I don’t use my bow that often.
I remember doing archery in highschool and not even being able to pull back a compound bow
that's me right now, my draw weight is almost as low as it can go
Lucky
I always thought it was meant to be a flex...well, figuratively speaking. Like, look how these experts have strong, impossibly steady arms.
Like Steven Seagal shooting without looking.
In Rambo first blood they requested higher poundage limbs so that it would show Stallone's back muscles more. The bow was modified with offset cams in order to eliminate the guide from the standard Hoyt for aesthetics. Stallone could actually use a bow though so certainly a flex but more of an exception, mostly actors nowadays are just using bows with an elastic 'string' you can often see where the string is contacting the torso and then bends to the draw hand. It is the reason a lot of scenes are of the upper potion of the bow only. Now that I have mentioned it you will likely never unsee it.. sorry.
Imagine breaking into this dude's house and just seeing an Arrow hit next to you head
You missed one important aspect with older pre fiberglass bows. Wooden bows do not take being held at full draw for extended amounts of time without damage. Generally a few seconds (like 2-3)at full draw is safe but longer than that and the belly fibers permanently compress making the bow slower. Sometimes the extended stress can cause splinters to lift that otherwise wouldn’t
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One aspect that probably wasn't discovered until bows were outdated by firearms.
Adding to this, bows are often given to characters considered weak (i.e. women). I am sorry, but you are either weak, or an archer. Katniss, Susan from Narnia, Merida or Ygritte must have amazing back muscles. I do/did HEMA, Kenjutsu, Olympic fencing, Kendo and archery and swinging around a sword for two hours is less exhausting than two hours of shooting my light weight 40lbs bow.
susan is secretly jacked I guess
Although most of the exhaustion in kendo comes from the rest of the things. Striking, evading an opponent, proper footwork, suburi exercises.
@@sunrisejackdaw1779 Peter prances around like a peacock, but if he ever starts getting a big head, Susan's there to pin him helplessly to the ground.
@@Its_Brigid_at_it_again i personally think it's the heavy gear with 0 ventilation that smells like jockstrap all over forever.
Same. Was pretty decent wit a rapier and thought, a bow is a dexterity weapon, it might be easy to pick up. Turns out, the first week is just trying to keep an arrow straight on the drawn bow.
Imagine how buffed the elves are
You make it look so effortless.
Legend has it he heard someone scream "my leg!!" 2 seconds after he shot that arrow
That misspelling of Aragorn into Aragon is funny because there's a region in Spain called Aragón, in which I live 😂
Tolkien is Ancient Language Linguist, I wonder if the Spanish word Aragòn has some relation to Aragorn. Maybe a Latin root connecting them.
Bro held us all hostage for a few seconds
Your work on your arms is to be admired! great dicipline.
The muscle you need to hold, respect for the lesson.
More relevant, accurate, nerdy info from the world's best poledancing archery teacher. Keep it up! ❤
You're an actual elven archer, aren't you.
The problem is that’s threatening someone with a deadly weapon
I like to think that like Elves and other archery based warfare races just have adapted to hold their breath and stance for extended periods of time, unlike a human who needs to almost immediately loose an arrow after getting a target.
He was talking about draw weight, though. Did the elves just evolve to be stronger?
@@Novenae_CCGIn most stories yes, elves are usually stronger than humans and often have better endurance.
@@elainegoates9792Damn, elves OP.
@@Novenae_CCG It could also simply be that they've had centuries/millennia of practice while humans have about 20 years total of being in their prime until we start going grey.
@@bluesbest1Damn, elves OP.
maybe its just a sign of elven dominance to hold your bow that long
Can you tell us your favourite correct instances of archery in movies? Or the worst, both would be fun
That would be a great video I'd love to see it
Destiny has the good mechanic of having a timer till your arrow shoots after drawing it.
I love my compound bow. Pulling 75lbs at 80% let off it’s a breeze to hold. I however have a ton of respect for the trad guys. Hope to grab a recurve one day and give it a go.
My compounds set at 65 and holding for an extended period can be tough
@@shigglezz684here’s a fun fact: English/welsh longbowmen in the Hundred Years’ War regularly used 120+ pound longbows. These are the weapons that they used to take down the French knights and supposedly they were so skilled they could sink that arrow into the knight’s visor from 150 yards and fire 6 times before the first one hit the ground.
People back then were built different.
@@alphastronghold715 though I’m sure they were extremely skilled I also don’t doubt the stretching of the truth in some of the achievements they accomplished. However I totally agree they we built different. You should research the skeletal differences in archers from that time period. The sheer bone density and size in their forward arm is insane compared to the rest of their body.
@@shigglezz684 practice and resistance bands
My Skyrim character teaching this to his kids:
Just hire Faendal to teach them and then take your money back.
The people in the house behind rushing inside because a real Elven archer is down ranging arrows at full speed towards their backyard...
I can't believe that's not the only thing the comments are talking about. Only takes one wild shot and you're putting an arrow into your neighbor's window.
I imagine elven bows would magically avoid this issue, given the properties of other elven objects.
THERE’S NO WONDER WHO SHOT PREMATURELY?!
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The bowmaster of helm's deep didn't shoot prematurely, his dinner was done and didn't have time to wait
It's really fun shooting instinctual. Wish more competitions ran that category for more than just 3d. Would love to see an open instinctual world series.
Game of Thrones taught me: "Never hold, never aim."
Game of Thrones taught me: some shows should end before 8 seasons.
But always hold the door...
Unless you are a Bolton.
@@spectacledWolfend at season 7, got it
Everything about you is gorgeous!
I admire how subtly you delivered on "shot prematurely". Barely a glance to camera: so confident we'd get it!
That scene was designed to show how old some of those Helm's deep defenders were. The old man lost his strength and the arrow accidentally shot away. Beautiful story telling. So subtle, yet so sure.
A young man in his prime cant draw a warbow and hold it for more than 5 seconds before having to let go. Its just a trope to be given the order to draw then stand there for 5 minutes
bro is the real life Green Arrow
That's what I always took from that scene, that they made a mistake by having them draw the arrows too soon.
That bloke at the front started the most epic battle in all of Cinema.
:P
Fun fact! In Destiny 2, if you hole a bow shot too long (as in a few games) your character will fire automatically, due to strain. Also, the strongest shot isbone fires immediately at full draw, weakening a bit as you hold it.
Bow facts! Fun. I did some archery on holiday once upon a time and the stamina and strength required to draw let alone hold is very suprising, a lot of fun tho.
Been thinking about taking lessons and maybe the abundance of your videos im currently seeing is a good push.
This is so cool since I JUST watched Lord of the Rings for the first time yesterday and Legolas and Aragon are my two favorite characters. :3
Did you like it?
@@AimForMyHead81
I really did. The movies were a lot longer than I expected though haha.
@@KrossOver404 Ah, I'm guessing you watched the extended versions?
That "THWACK" every time the shot lands is always so crisp 👌
I love this man, amazing voice, good looks and he got a muscle to hold a drawen bow. Yeah i got a mad crush lol 😅
Cute hair cut. Amazing voice. Sweet face. Muscles and phoarrrrr
Yep he's cute
@@chrishall5140 i totally agree plus he gots a sleeper muscular bod dam lucky person who catches his eye 😆
Also, Aragorn 1st didn't tell him to draw the bow, the villager did so on his own; and second, Aragorn didn't even say the hold your fire line until after he had released the arrow.
I was so fucking scared when he demonstrated that those bows had heavy draw weights, didn’t want him to accidentally dry fire it
😂That clip at end was pure gold
"How could you tell I practice archery" ass outfit. Love the outfit btw
That’s why I love the bow mechanic in tf2 for sniper, the longer you hold the arrow you begin to shake more and more until the shot is unsteady
Bard did it right in the hobbit
Ghost of Tsushima makes you release the shot after not too long.
Respect for the horizon clip 💯
This will probably be one of the knowledges that I won't be able to use but it's fine cause it's cool as f😂🔥 I've subscribed now. Lookin forward for more of these😂
your arms are so beautiful
Still one of my favorite parts of the battle of helms deep
Wow the Eiffel Tower looks so beautiful 😍
This is why oblivion and morrowind should have the ability to required your arrows like you can in skyrim
“What’s the problem with doing this” nothing. I’m watching a fantasy movie. Im willing to believe that these people are stronger than the average human.
I mean sure but it's also done by people who shouldn't be stronger than any average Joe.
For Legolas and Aragorn (and maybe even the unnamed elves), sure. But it's kinda like gravity working normally 99% of the time and then just random moments of exceptions here and there, it just isn't very consistent imo. I hear your point, tho
Destiny 2, of all games, does bows pretty well. There are different types of bows (recurve, compound, etc) that have different draw times and duration that they can be held. They're most accurate and travel the fastest when released at the right time, and if you hold for too long, your aim will waver before you automatically release.
The only way to hold a bow indefinitely is, quite fittingly, a special pair of gauntlets for the Hunter.
They even got Trinity Ghoul pretty good
How long can you hold me at … wait what where am I
I really like that Ghost of Tsushima only lets you hold your bow for a few seconds, it adds to the immersion
I don't kno why this was in My recommendations but I needed to hear this. Now I have more of an Appreciation for Oliver Queen aka *Arrow.*