The CANCELLED Amazing Spider-Man Sequels - What Went Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- In this video, Owen explains the history of Sony's plans for a Spider-Man cinematic universe, the original ideas for The Amazing Spider-Man 3, The Sinister Six and Venom, and what ultimately went wrong.
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Kinda would like to see a “James Gunn’s Suicide Squad” style Sinister Six movie! I don’t think Sony would go for an R direction but R rating would be perfect
Can you do one on the cancelled Spectacular Spider-Man? It's the definitive version for a lot of people and I'd love to see you do some deep dives into what could have been there
I remember all the hype for the Sinister Six movie- I was super excited for it. It was supposed to come out in summer 2016, the same time as DC's Suicide Squad and I was really curious to see how the two franchises would handle supervillain team-up movies around the same time
It’s the X-Men Origins Magneto of Spider-Man movies
I guess someone had to be excited for a 3rd film. It was such a dumpster fire, I couldn’t be bothered. I also wasn’t a kid, maybe you were.
Haha Alex Kurtzman ruined the new Star Trek shows as well. Keep this man away from beloved IPs.
To me, This whole Sony Spider-Man Universe seems to have the same problems as the DCEU. They both tried to copy of MCU without a solid plan or through line and just ended up putting all their eggs in one basket that resulted in disappointment.
Not my point.
I think the problem with the DCEU is that the director had a plan but WB completely abandoned it instead of trying to improve it going forward (the Snyderverse).
@Snehil Shrey Isn't the new Flash movie involving multi timeline plot cameo with Michael Keaton Batman and new Supergirl?
Snehill your a grabige person spiderman no way home is one of the best film ever and you don't even get the appeal if this film and mrs marvels is still a stand alone film its just going to have mrs marvel and that's it and back to no way home it was a love letter to the 20 years of spiderman films and andrew peter/spiderman got his redemption and saved mj and tom peter nearly killed the green goblin until tobey peter stop him so Tom's peter doesn't have to suffer the same fate and tom peter at the end of the film is 100 on his own and has a comic book custom dr strange multiverse of madness is looking to be one of the best films ever and I don't know what you are talking about but snehil you can brun in hell and get banned form youtube
Yep
Every studio rushing to make a cinematic universe forgot the key point that people wanted to see a shared universe because they liked the films and characters not the other way arround.
Amazing Spiderman wasn't the worse example (The Mummy is probably still the low point) but it sits right alongside Suicide Squad as a 'quick, throw out all the material' before they figured out how to build anything.
Matt Damon, Denzel Washington, Daniel Craig, Matthew Mcconaughey... The list of actors you get when you have LITERALLY no idea what tone, characterisation plot or even what movie your working on. It's just such a clear example of having no idea what your doing. You can actually imagine the conversation "So who do you want for your villian *writer snorts coke of the table* "oh what?" "Actors, who do you want, anyone in mind" "Oh like names... Wow what a buzz... Actor names... Matt Damon, Denzel Washington, Daniel Craig, Matthew Mcconaughey.. Yeah those are people I know"
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spiderman was nothing without her
Thank you for the nugget of information, but didn't you comment this exact thing on OLC's other TASM Video?
@@leomoreno7369 I don't know
I just want people to know about her
@@leomoreno7369 this joker keeps posting about AVI ARAD over and over again, idk what's wrong with him
@@Zombiesnyder13 I didn't see it on the first video. Thank you for repeating the comment. Really interesting.
@@hannahvickery4683 well, people did tried to boycot Kathleen Kennedy after everything she did
9:01 Feige eventually got the last laugh
11:18 This sounds like a more ambitious Suicide Squad 2016 for better or worse
15:54 I don't know. That team-up between Female Spider-Man characters feel like their Sinister Six plans mixed With the Avengers vibe
19:34 So Josh Trank's ideas for Venom film were basically do a deconstruction of The Mask film.... Not realizing the original Comic books of The Mask were already that
At that point why not just go off to do a Mask movie?! Like if you’re telling me you wanted to do the Mask but with Venom (completely missing the point of Venom) you might as well just do a Mask movie or series because that’s clearly the better route? I don’t understand some of these screenwriters 😂
@@GibbySoapBox I would get it if they said "Who says I didn't try to make a Mask reboot?" and that would indicate they failed.
Probably because The Mask is now just better known among media by the Jim Carrey version and also the mask'reputation in generalbecame tarnished by son of the mask
@@ianr.navahuber2195 That is a fair point. But then again there’s other comic book properties that were once tarnished at some point that became gold mines later on out of luck.
And I mean sure the 1994 film is well known but it would be nice to see someone give the source material a try and really get into it, maybe as a series on streaming since the comic book series told a sprawling narrative ripe for TV. 🤷🏼♂️
@@GibbySoapBox I would prefer an Anthology series with The Mask. Each wearer having different effects on It. With the twist of the show being "there are 2 Masks".
that way we can have the anti heroic mask from jim carrey films and son of the mask films vs the violent and gory psychopathic mask from the comics fight each other
@@ianr.navahuber2195 that’s a good one! Interesting having two masks since we are led to believe there was only one made by Loki, but there could be a second one made by someone else?
Sony cared more about trying to compete with Marvel rather than just telling the story they already had going for them.
Even after ruining everything twice
They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits of NO WAY HOME
Nah man , I swear Avi himself went like "ok but you have to give me a huge thanks at the end"
I’d imagine it’s in his contract, but yes, seeing his name makes my blood boil.
Honestly after NWH I feel Andrew has a little bit of leverage to throw around if Sony tries to be 'difficult' in the event that a TASM sequel is put into production and in my mind that puts him into a position where Sony has to at least listen to how he envisions a TASM 3
No. That's so bad on so many levels. Lol
@@FN64Productions why? Shouldn’t Andrew have some kind of a say in the approach to how a TASM 3 is made or let me guess you don’t want a TASM 3 made at all
@@DarkKnightofAnime Andrew Garfield is the best spideman/Peter Parker hands down.
With that fact being laid out, why do you want to give so much control to an actor?
@@FN64Productions I just think he needs to play hardball in any kind of negotiations with Sony otherwise We’ll just end up getting another TASM 2 situation and I think he can use the fact that there is this demand for his return as insurance to prevent that from happening
@@FN64Productions Andrew is a huge fan of Spider-Man like most of us, so why wouldn't you want a fan of the character to have more control, instead of just random executives?
omg.. When the first idea for the plot of a SPIDERMAN movie is "He is trying to resurrect the dead". You know that not only was this Franchise completely lost without Marvel but the answer was no... There was no 'wasted potential' here. We were lucky
i'd say 7:11 is a good plot, but yeah i agree.
@Snehil Shrey ok boomer
@Snehil Shrey okay, I’ m not disagreeing about that, but he’s still not trying to RAISE THE DEAD!!! That’s inna category of it’s own.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who wanted to puke after hearing that.
I still want to see Drew Goddard's Sinister Six. He's one hell of a director and writer.
TASM1.5 is literally what should've happened, imagine this, TASM2 but without the Green Goblin nor Gwen's death and just have Harry as a side character and just hints with Norman while Electro is the main villain, then TASM3 has Kraven and Norman who becomes Ultimate Green Goblin as the main villains and having Gwen die in that movie, this literally whould've made a TASM cohesive trilogy instead of a duology mess
After hearing Gwen would possibly come back to life and become carnage I happy how things turned out with Spider-Man joining the MCU, but I hope Andrew does eventually get his trilogy
To be fair to that Carnage idea, Gwen in the Ultimate comics becomes Carnage too (tho I don't remember the details) so I'm pretty sure they taking inspiration from that.. However, I think it would've been a bad idea.
Andrew was gonna get a fully fledged universe, not just a trilogy.
@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe in the ultimate universe (IIRC) Gwen was killed by venom and then later cloned (along with others) by Otto and Miles warren to mess with Peter....but the DNA sample they took has some of the symbiote too, turning her into carnage. Tho she only changed into carnage during moments of stress....kinda like the hulk. Eventually they separated the Gwen clone from Carnage.
some details might be wrong.....it been a long LONG time since I read it
Even after NWH I still think The MCU Spider-Man is one of my least favorites. But i think I’ll explain in a future video, if you guys watched my videos.
@Luc Germain I can see why, but If you get a defender for MCU Spider-Man, then I suggest you should block the replier or just ignore him or her.
Sony should let Phil Lord and Chris Miller in charge of their cinematic universe
They can save it from AVI ARAD
Chill with the AVI ARAD, man!
Even if there is no TASM 3, I'd love to see a Cameo or team-up with Tom Hardy's Venom.
The thought of what could’ve come next for the Amazing Spider-Man really makes you think a lot doesn’t it
Can you do one on the cancelled Spectacular Spider-Man? It's the definitive version for a lot of people and I'd love to see you do some deep dives into what could have been there
5:18 This sounds like they were gonna combine Norman Osborn With Silvermane
6:23 So like Ultimate Cómics / 1610 Gwen Stacy? ... What would have happened to George Stacy? I don't know.... That sounds like making Peter look like a mad scientist
7:11 That would have been interesting. ESPECIALLY if the prequel showed Peter still in high School, Maybe getting a job at the daily Bugle, MAYBE HAVE Peter mention Harry. And explore more the guilt he has about George Stacy's Death. Bonus if Peter actually caught the criminal that killed Uncle Ben in this movie
8:12 Wait. Only because Andrew didn't appear, the executives were that petty that they wanted to do more works without him?
Mixed bag here. Some good and potentially interesting stuff, while others not so much. But like you said it’s definitely fascinating to wonder what would’ve happen if history had gone differently. But in the end it did work out for the best since we got the MCU Spider-Man and No Way Home.
7:10 I honestly feel like they should have made this movie instead of TASM 2 in 2014 and then have this movie lead into TASM 2.
Yeah. It Even continúes Amazing's ideas of exploring Richard Parker's work.
"Titled: 'Glass Ceiling' " lol
that amazing spider-man 1.5 film would've been AMAZING
This is a good video, I think you covered a lot of stuff people don't know. You should make more videos like this, maybe one about the OG No Way Home?
I like that you don't stop your videos for an ad read. Makes binge watching more enjoyable
When I tell you my jaw dropped and I said, "WHAT!?!?" out loud multiple times while watching this video... yeah, that happened. I can't decide which is crazier: bringing Gwen back from the dead only for her to become CARNAGE or Norman Osborn's frozen head being revived so he can become the Green Goblin. Thank you for putting this together, as it was a fascinating video to watch--and thanks for having me on!
Thank you so much!
>bring back Gwen from the dead so she would become Carnage
That's the Ultimate Spider-Man for you
Sam Raimi to Sony : " You couldn't live with your own faliure , where did that bring you , back to me "
Honestly these ideas are cool but need execution and direction .
This reminded me of the Ultimate Spider-Man series. It made a lot of sense, but they decided to do the Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends thing once Spidey returned to the MCU.
honestly a lot of these plans sounded really bad and trying to make a Spiderman cinematic universe without marvel just sounded that sony had no idea what the hell they were doing with Spider-Man and his world.
Yeah I agree that the sequels to the amazing spider man 2 has a potential to great and better than its predessors to amend for its mistakes made by that dastardly studio meddling (that we all but hated to this day on) so too bad it's never going to happen anytime soon but good news garfield is back as spider man in no way home so there's still a chance for us to get a 3rd amazing spider man movie though.
We would've gotten Ultimate Green Goblin. That's my favourite depiction
When I saw Orci and Kurtzman in the credits, I knew there was trouble in ASM2.
Another fantastic video Owen! I really enjoyed Webb+Garfield's TASM movies and now that I rewatched them in preparation for NWH I enjoyed them even more, but I acknowledge the problem of setting up mini plot lines just for the sake of setting them up. It's very interesting to know some of the ideas behind Sony producers at the time.
Owen I completely appreciate this video! This must've taken a tremendous amount of work as many facts you revealed were considered rumors til you shed some light on it! Thank you and I can't wait to see more from you! Also, your Batman Noel video was FANTASTIC!
Awesome video! Best comic book channel on RUclips!
Hearing all the plans they had these films, IMO I'm glad they fell through.
I think Avi was trying to get a Venom movie going since the 90’s and it dealt with two rival symbiote species ?
I'm sincerely worried about Spiderverse 2, not because of what I've seen or the team but because of Sony.
Also, this doesn't really go with the video's topic but Paul Giamatti could have been a good J. Jonah Jameson
@Snehil Shrey Sam Raimi. And then Sony wanted him put in Venom.
If you meant the first Spiderverse movie: Directors Peter Ramsey, Bob Persichetti, Rodney Rothman, with Phil Lord and Rothman doing the screenplay.
@Katherine Alvarez Same!!
It's times like this that sometimes makes me wish I was living in the same Universe where TASM-Cinematic-Universe exists
apart from that I am still looking forward to see where the current Sonys-Spidey-Universe is going
It's still hilarious that Sony are clearly still trying to make Sinister Six happen, and Morbius flopping won't even change that
I remember when a Sony/Marvel partnership seemed impossible
This was a bad idea when I heard King Goblin and Norman Osborn's frozen head. Or even Officer Stacy cloned.
Great video! I heard so many cool informations that I wasn't aware of before. Like I would've loved Tom Hardy being sandman, even tho his Venom is just as amazing of an idea.
Now it seems we will see Garfield make a return at least as a cameo, once again, even tho there are rumors about him making a return for real.
Thinking about it, this idea for a prequel to Amazing Spider man 2 movie with Kraven as villain, could work much better for the opening of Amazing Spider man 3 rather than a whole movie plot. The third movie could had introduce Kraven in the first minutes, with him been send by Osborn to hunt down Spider man and being quickly defeated by the hero. After the title credits, the movie could had fast forward after Gwen death and be a adaptation of Kraven's Last Hunt. The whole moment of Spider man being buried alive could had Gwen and Captain Stacy appearing in Peter's memories and inspiring him to escape and continue to live to protect others, and Kraven stealing Spider man identity could make him into a dark reflection of what Peter was becoming after Gwen death (as he said in NWH "He stop holding his punches).
TAMS1 not only had the writer from SPIDERMAN 2, but also had a writer from the HARRY POTTER movies, and a writer from ZODIAC
And all because of LAURA ZISKIN
TAMS2 on the other hand, had the writers from TRANSFORMERS
And all because of AVI ARAD
TASM1 was solid but not great, so Ziskin’s quality writing in those past films didn’t necessarily translate to this Spider-Man film. I think it’s an oversimplification to hang the success or failure of these films on a single person.
@@ApolloPlanetary well, Stan Lee did say that one person can make a difference
So, nuff said
Also, Laura Ziskin died before ASM 1 was finished resulting in writer Alvin Sergeant walking away from the franchise since he was also Lauren's husband, so the quality of the franchise went downward when they were gone. I say a similar thing happened when Lauren Donner retired from full-time film producing resulting in the quick decline of the X-Men films after the renewed goodwill from First Class and DOFP and the nightmare of a production that was X-Men: Apocalypse, since she seemed to be the one person kept Singer under control.
All of the ideas for this universe sound absolutely horrendous. It really goes to show how out of touch executives are with what the audience wants.
I would love to see Emma Stone as Spider-Gwen still
I think Chris Zylka (ASM's Flash Thompson) would make an amazing Agent Venom.
I have never had faith about a cinematic Spiderman universe. There aren't many superheros who are derivatives from him so only the villains are left to make spin offs.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't want a lot of spin-offs of side characters or villains. A Sinister Six movie similar to "Superior Foes" would be cool but I don't want a freaking Kraven movie. Great video as always Owen!
Superior Foes would be a Great way to establish Villains for Spider-Man to fight later but making them sympathetic enough for audiences
The same about Silver Sable and Black Cat (Especially if Black Cat took cues from Jed MacKay's run on the character)
90% of these ideas are just insane. That's not to say that they couldn't have worked, but Jesus christ straight bonkers.
If TASM3 were to be revived, I’d rather have it as a TV series. The Disney+ Plus shows proved to be rather successful with its movie-like budget so it’s not a stretch for TASM3 to do the same with this serialized format.
The show can reutilize some of the original plans of the cancelled projects in order to fit one cohesive narrative. Depending on how much content is made 2 or 3 seasons would suffice and nothing more.
As for the overall storyline, it would still be about Peter against Oscorp in a race to find Richard Parker’s legacy in the form of the artificial Symbiote as a genetic cure.
Harry and the rest of the Sinister Six would be build up slowly until a season finale and each member having a specific purpose outside of fighting Spider-Man.
The “Silver & Black” project can be reworked by connecting Silver Sable and the country Symkaria to Oscorp’s projects and the Parker’s deaths. Felecia can be retconned to be a corporate saboteur/criminal thief “hired” by Sable to infiltrate Oscorp.
Overall, the show should still focus on Peter’s story post-Gwen’s death/NWH as he forms a connection with Mary Jane and fully move on.
Just like that they could solve all the issues with this franchise.
@@DavidTorres-gn2vt As much as some may want to ignore the Parker and Oscorp lore, I’d rather have that continue. I’ll admit that the TASM lore interests me and I prefer to see these plot points through rather than drop it to save face.
Very good video learned some new things about my favorite spider-man and the behind the scenes stuff. Kinda happy a lot of the possible sequels and spinoff didn't happen just cause I don't think it would have been done correctly. Even though Garfield spider-man is my favorite and I think emma stone did great Gwen Stacy the overall story of both films is sub par compare to Tobey's spider-man and Tom's spider-man. I would have love to see the Amazing universe build up to a sinister six movie and took some things from the ultimate spider-man comic line along the way leading to a death of the spider-man ending. But I am bit morbid so that wouldn't have been great story for the kids lol.
Yeah.. i'm not sad the tasmcu didnt happen. You can only scrape so much with JUST spidey characters.
I was wondering if you could do a video of what happened to amazing Spider-Man 3 and explain was going to be in the cancelled movie?
Love it!
Let's go Owennnnn
Honestly, most of these movie pitches sound terrible and really goofy to me. I remember losing all hope for the ASM shared universe when it was announced they wanted to do an Aunt May film, but if I knew about the cryogenically frozen Norman head or the resurrected Gwen Stacy, I would have given up on the franchise after that.
Im trying to wrap my head around the idea of making a prequel to a movie YOU JUST RELEASED!!!😯😯😯. This is a level of WTF incompetence that is difficult to fathom. Sony is a ship of fools, and i dearly wish Marvel could get the rights to SM back free and clear. If not, let Andrew by the SM of the Venom/Morbius universe; let the MCU keep Tom.
Wow, it's crazy just how many plans there were for different projects, and none of them ended up actually happening.
If Sony greenlits SPIDER-MAN 4 or TASM3 outside the MCU
Then they need to get rid of AVI ARAD
Or it will be just another failure
I don't think Raimi Spider-Man 4 is required because Raimi Spider-Man 3 ends the story of the Raimi Trilogy well.
As for TASM3 is required because the Andrew Garfield story didn't end yet.
@@modmaker7617 Even if a Spider-Man 4 movie isn't necessary, the way the first two movies were written you could consider them a perfect point to end the story as well. It's just that at the end of Spider-Man 3, Peter and MJ dealing with Harry's death isn't really expounded upon enough, Peter repairing his relationship with MJ isn't resolved or shown, and the lack of a final swing leaves the question of whether Peter continues to be Spider-Man. Yes, you can argue that we get more context in No Way Home, but the conversations he has implied that a lot has happened since we last saw him.
@@comiccraze927
I rewatched the 5 pre-MCU Spider-Man live-action movies and I felt satisfied by the end of Spider-Man 3.
@@modmaker7617 You may feel satisfied but the fact there were plans for a Spider-Man 4 that would have made up for the shortcomings of Spider-Man 3 and was, according to Raimi himself, going to be his best one yet is disappointing. It was complete in the since that the story arc of the movie ended properly, but it didn't really resolve the story of Peter and MJ, the story that was told from the the first movie until the unplanned ending of the trilogy. That's the issue I have. I grew up with those movies and Raimi didn't get the chance to finish writing the ending he wanted. It's incomplete in that way.
The only way I can see a Sinister Six movie working would be to make it a prequel flick. Set it way before TASM1 film and just have the team do their thing but get captured by somebody (maybe Osborne) who studies them so in the present day Peter would have to fight legacy villains who are all out to get him instead of their heroic predecessors. There's been four Kravens, three Doc Ocks, three Vultures, two Rhinos, two Mysterio's, two Electros, and successors to Sandman (Sandstorm) and Chameleon (Skull Jacket) so it'd be easy to do.
That a lot spiders in one video.but weird that they had in mind Toby and andrew crossover even since then. All they need was to keep it all a secret for no way home. Very nice research
Well if TASM2 wasn't a flop, we probably wouldn't have an MCU Spider-Man.
I hate how they cancelled The Amazing Spider man 3, they had grate ideas and as a spider man fan I wanted to see them
Frankly what I want to see in a Post-No Way Home Spider-Man landscape:
Do more Amazing Spider-Man films for Andrew, with good talent behind it and actual PLANNING.
Maybe do something more with the Maguire Spider-Man, Idk could be neat.
Let the MCU have Tom Holland.
Andrew can be the Sonyverse Spider-Man, no more worrying about having to do all these ideas without Spider-Man.
Idk maybe all these ideas simply will never come to fruition and NWH was a lighting in the bottle moment that actually brought everything new and old together for a bit.
I just think now that Andrew's Spider-Man deserves more and Tobey's has interested me with how he's progressed since the original trilogy.
Tom Holland's take should be free to go on as long as he's willing, probably getting swapped out when he eventually wants out of the role like Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. with their characters.
Audiences don't need things like Bat-Embargos or constant reboots/cancelling of old versions. We can understand concepts of different versions of characters existing at one time. More and more media is embracing crossovers with multiple different shows, even ones that were entirely separate before and still are.
Mark bagley only did the covers on the ultimate sinister six series.
i would have loved it if amazing spiderman 3 came out since i don‘t really like the current spidermann movies in generall, would have been cool if only captian america was there, i don‘t really like the other marvel charackers.
It always made me laugh how stupid Sony were if you want a spiderman cinematic universe then use the literal spider verse not the villains no one wants the villains to have there own movies they want the villains to be well the villains in spiderman films 😂 I know they ended up doing this now with into the spider verse but building a cinematic universe with let’s say miles, 2099, noir, superior and spider Gwen would of been right there to build up to a web warriors movie. I am miles more interested in a noir or 2099 solo movie then I am in fucking morbius
Could you please do a video on Dynamite Entertainment Project Superpowers?.
Any chance you could make a video on the cancelled x-men movies from fox stuff like Gambit etc
I don't know why but I imagined how the Sinister Six movie would have been with the tone and style of The Suicide Squad movie (the new one) and now I would like to see how it would have been
Do a video on the avengers Earth's mightiest heroes show that was cancelled unfortunately
I think they should’ve done the black suit for amazing Spider-Man 3 and put him against Kraven and have it end with Kraven being killed by Spider-Man. Then Sinister Six can be six of his villains brought together to take down the symbiotic Spider-Man. That ends with the symbiote leaving Peter allowing it to bond with Eddie Brock then have Venom vs. Carnage. End with Silver & Black with Gwen returning as Spider-Woman to reunite her with Peter. Do you have two trilogies (one with Spider-Man and one with the spin-offs) that tell a full story
The whole frozen head thing is stupid though
It’s so obvious that Marvel comics is minimizing Spider-Man in all other comics and big story arcs. I think they aren’t putting top creators on the book either because… Disney doesn’t own the film rights. I hope they stop this, as it’s so sad.
Next video on Andrew Garfield: "The Return, Redemption, and New Sequels to the Amazing Spiderman Series
6:20 Holy shit this is a terrible idea...
Thank God that movie was never made, that's like an else world story thing for Peter falling from grace not something you do with your main fuckin hero.
Ugh...
I'd like to see all these failed concepts in future What If episodes
Oof, what went wrong? What _didn’t_ go wrong?
Sinjin Reed Sony is to blame for everything. Avi Arad and Amy Pascal in particular. They so desperately wanted to beat the MCU at their own game that they bum rushed a cinematic universe. Not realizing that that it takes time to lay the groundwork. And what really sucks is that Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone and Marc Webb got so royally screwed. Had TASM not been trying to be a Batman Begins/ we're so different from Raimi and just been a straightforward adaptation of the Ultimate comics it could have been something special.
Sony should just let their creatives do their own thing and not get in the way. Spider-verse was good because Lord and Miller are good directors/ writers. And here's hoping Spider-verse 2 maintains that same level of quality.
I always thought Venom takes place in The Amazing Spider-Man universe and Morbius as well! Hope TASM3 happens and Andrew fight's Tom Hardy!
Plenty of time to give Andrew the type of Spiderman movies he deserves. Both DC and Marvel are going full gear with their live Action cinematic universes and there's gonna a number of different versions of Batman with the Flash movie and The Batman. Sony gave the MCU the Spiderman it needed and I believe Andrew is the live action Spiderman Sony needs now. Their thought process going into Amazing Spider-Man was something darker and more grounded in reality like the Dark Knight trilogy. Andrew was phenomenal in No Way Home and I want to see his Spiderman dealing with the loss of Gwen. Was saving MJ closure enough. He talks about getting bitter after all that so please explore sony. Prove you can still make truly awesome live action Spiderman movies with no need for the MCU banner. Garfield still has so much untapped potential and there's an opportunity to go darker with Spiderman than anyone's took the character on film before. After meeting his brothers he still had to return to his reality. Some things about that Universe from his 2 movies need changed but there's too much potential in this to not explore. I would have him feeling better and less bitter about everything after No Way Home. But let's see what damage he did. He could have been so messed up that he badly injured the Rhino. Just 1 example. He tries to be the friendly neighborhood Spiderman again but a lot of the city could be dubious of him.
Found your channel through Vee Infuso Owen. I look forward to more videos to come from you 👍
That sinister six movie actually sounded really fun, definitely peaked my interest
Is the story of Amy Pascal throwing a sandwich at Kevin Feigue actually true?
I can't believe it either but yes it is.
It’s a good thing it never happened. Morbius is bad enough, Vulture got dragged out of the MCU for no reason at all and in the dumbest way possible, Venom is an anti-hero, Kraven is now an animal lover. Oh and most importantly, no Spider-Man in that universe after Andrew rejected being a part of this crappy universe.
An entire Spider-Man universe. And no Hobgoblin.
Harry was supossed to become Hobgoblin.
What's so funny is the people who say they hate TASM also say they LOVE Spider-Man PS4, not realizing SMPS4 is almost exactly the same character as TASM Peter.
PS4 Spider-Man is basically TASM Spider-Man and Ultimate Cartoon Spider-Man (and to a degree 2017) but Better. And Even to a degree Holland's Spider-Man done right too
With How PS4 is Focused on Spider-Man's science skill, gadgets and how the villains seem science Focused or related to Oscorp and how other héroes exist in the background but Never forgetting what Makes Spider-Man himself
Sony is so weird with these films.
I don't think anyone who watched these movies wonders what went wrong.. the whole thing went wrong lol
All of these movie ideas prove that execs at Sony are clueless! It’s only a matter of time before they screw Spiderman up again!!
Guys, you all know this was for the better, stop pretending you always liked Garfield's Spiderman, you didnt.
Also, "Kevin Feige produced the Raimi trilogy", right, serving coffee to Avi Arad is now "producing"...
i liked the amazing spider-man and a lot of other people did as well. But if you look at the coments you will see that most of us only have interest in that amazing spider-man 2 prequel, all other projects sounded awful
You know, ASM2 had enough material for 3 movies. I think, if Sony were smart about this Spidey Cinematic Universe, they could've organised it like this:
Phase One:
The Amazing Spider-Man
ASM2: Electro
ASM3: Doc Ock
Silver and Black
Phase Two:
ASM 4: Green Goblin
ASM 5
Venom
ASM 6
Phase Three:
ASM in the MCU
EDIT: Something about the resurrecting the dead seems off to me. Like, okay I can kind of understand resurrecting Gwen and George but what about Ben? You know, his FAMILY?
You say missed opportunity and i say squandered opportunity.
Okay off topic idea and something I Truly believe should happen, and hear me out.
The the Disney plus series Spider-man Fresh Man Year should not be a prequel it should be an animated event following the events of Spider-Man No Way Home, after which we see Peter in SM4 sophomore year, SM 5 should introduce Miles Morales as high school senior touring the college and SM6 should be Tom Holland passing on the torch to the new Spider-Man Ultimate comic style with either an SM 7 or a new #1. Fruit for thought 🤷♂️
Or Fresh Man Year could be a two-season series, with season one being a prequel to Civil War and season two a follow-up to No Way Home.
at this point what id like to see happen is a single tasm movie with king goblin that kills andrew’s spidey and sets up miles’. This would allow sony to make spider man movies without a contract with marvel and set up a live action spider verse event with toms spidey
No Way Home Spoilers:
IT'S SO SAD, because Andrew didn't make the meeting for TASM 3 announcement due to Andrew getting really sick on the way there.
So glad Andrew got his second chance with No Way Home.
at least we got no way home with ALL 3 of them 😎😎
Amy Pascal throwing a sandwich at Kevin Feige is so funny to me since he basically saved the Spider-Man franchise in recent years since Sony had no idea what they were doing with Spider-Man
Well, in all fairness, we DID get the greatest superhero movie of all time out of this mess. Of course I am talking about MORBIUS!!! IT'S MORBIN' TIME!!!
I don't like the Spider villains in their own films. Better as foes for Spidey. Venom gets by with Hardy's weird performance. The Garfield films had that conspiracy angle with Peter's dad being in league with Norman Osbourne and that Peter was sort of destined to become Spider-man rather than being a regular kid who had a lucky or unlucky accident. Electro was totally silly (he goes bad cause Spider-man gets more media attention?) but even the Lizard was wrong. The Lizard persona takes over the good man who is Dr. Conners. They make it that Conners is in charge of the Lizard and goes crazy as a result so he is responsible for the Lizard's actions. Peter being sympathetic due to knowing Conners is not at fault and that Conners has a family made for the whole responsibility thing Peter is known for. Garfield and Stone were great as the leads, I didn't need the origin done again and weaker.
19:04 "Amy Pascal is really sweet"
Yeah if you aren't black