These reviews are really helpful. Recently you have been focusing a lot on the higher end, higher capacity chargers and power banks. I would really like to see a comparison of the ultralight "travel card" style power chargers. The stuff that is tiny enough to toss into a pocket or backpack just in case you might need a single top off charge. The ones that advertise 5000 mah but probably aren't even that big. I am currently carrying around a reasonably large power bank in my backpack and I realize that I almost never need its full capacity, and so I want something small/light.
Yeah, I have tested a couple smaller ones, the Anker 5k fusion was in a video, ruclips.net/video/G2r_PFg2YsM/видео.html with a bunch of others. I have more on the way too. On power adapters I did a huge 30W roundup not very long ago. ruclips.net/video/G2r_PFg2YsM/видео.html and obviously in this video did 4 adapters. Trying to get through more to cover more, but it is expensive and time consuming. Time more limiting than anything. I am putting the work in so hopefully the channel doesn't die, which is okay and inevitable, power adapters and power banks will not make a successful RUclips channel, at some point I will have to dial this back or learn a lot more and get better at this. I enjoy making the content at least for now. I do have a lot more smaller and larger power adapters and power banks on the way all in time including one on slim adapters.
@@AllThingsOnePlace I think it is really helpful what you are doing, since most people don't have the test equipment or knowledge to see what powerbanks and adapters are decent and which are junk. Honestly, Amazon shouldn't sell either adapters or powerbanks that don't meet some basic standards of power quality, capacity accuracy and safety. But since they don't do what they should be doing, it falls to people like you to help us filter the good from the bad or even dangerous.
I had just looked at a Ugreen power adaptor, and your video popped up - thank the algorithm, haha. Your videos are so informative and helpful both with the specific devices you're testing and with understanding devices of this type in general. I have a Helpers Labs charger, and I will never use all the ports simultaneously - just because I watched one of your videos - it helps me be safe. This latest one was a really useful video. Thanks for putting the work in. I would sub again if it would make any difference. All the best. 👍🏾👍🏾🔥🔥
@@AllThingsOnePlace ...absolutely works better in the group. Your comparisons with other devices gives the context a non-expert, like me, would understand. I really have trouble watching reviews of anything which does not involve some form of comparison. Sometimes the whole thing cannot be a comparison, but with contrast, it can be more helpful. Seeing a family of Ugreens tells a story of how they are thinking (or not thinking, haha). So yeah...loved the comparisons and insights in this video.
This is the greatest channel. I love your reviews. The more Anker products you do, the more views you gonna get. They have a huge following for some reason
Thanks for the review. Got the DigiNest 100 Pro yesterday and ordered the 65 watt version today. With 5 AC outlets in total I can hide all of the messy power cables and I get many fast charging ports for charging my phone, headphones, iPad Pro and powerbank while powering one of my displays via USB C. The only thing I find annoying is that the display turns off and on everytime the charger "negotiates" when new devices are connected and unplugged. This also happens with my other gan chargers.
Hi, although they do not have safety marks, ANker and Ugreen products are cTUVus certified. This is because direct UL or CSA certification is very expensive and time consuming. With rising costs, companies are looking save on already thinning margins. So the 65W diginest cube for example is compliant with UL1363 standard, which is why it features such a thick 14AWG powercord. They just don't feature the safety mark to to cut licensing fee.
Yeah, I looked up the UGREEN certs, these products aren't on the list... If it isn't in the list or on the product, they aren't certified. Claiming they pass the tests doesn't mean certified. This isn't a cost saving measure either. Say it's $50k to get the product listed and they sell 100,000 of these... It is a bad argument. Also, value proposition, UGREEN is charging more money! Agencies also group listings so cost can be reduced. Also, the listing UGREEN has online are not for US standards on TUV, maybe some other agency, there are a lot of agencies now? There are numerous other reasons to have a listed product, having a thick power cord doesn't mean you are safety listed. It is great they do though, they are good for power strips. The shutters on the doors of the outlets are great too. UGREEN is not a bad company, and from what I have seen the power adapters aren't bad. They are doing the same as many other companies though and it is the opposite direction of quality and progress. Like I said, get away with it if you can, and they can.
@@AllThingsOnePlace I don’t think their sales and margins are as high as you think. Also, UL keeps updating certification standards every year which is unnecessary. Every time they do an update, these companies have to recertify. Plus, UL still does not allow two USBC ports under UL 817 which is ridiculous. Companies wanting dual usbc ports and 3 sockets are forced to follow UL1363 which is too overkill. Plus 14AWG cables are just too bulky and excessive. Better to Limit current to 16a with a breaker or OCP and use 16AWG cable.
@@tonsab.assist.master True on the standards changing, and not for the better in a lot of cases (a standard for loudspeakers has a locked rotor test now, like how did that pass the review process). They wouldn't have to redo every part of the certification though, only what's changed, if even applicable. There are ongoing expenses of course, inspections, etc. The year of the standard changes sometimes but the year of application is not generally immediate. Since it would immediately invalidate every safety certificate every time a new version of the standard is released. But yeah, in general standards don't keep up with applications. I wonder if a more general electrical category, I didn't relook them up, is what Anker or Baseus used to certify their products of this same type. Still no excuses on the USB only adapters...
Oh and also, whenever there is a big change in the standard, companies also have to spend a lot of money in redoing things like tooling, pcb, packaging etc.
The best multiport is still the Anker 7 series at 65W, but the new ones just came out so I have those to test next. The best single port charger is still the Amazon Basics 65W.
One question! Do you recommend the 65w charger o not? I do need a three port charger for a Mac Air and well an iPhone and AirPods, I was thinking of the Ugreen 65w Adapter but After the stuff seen in the video I don’t know what to do, what would you recommend me to do? Should I get a 65w one or a more wattage one With better Power quality?
If you are going to go with a 65W adapter I'd recommend at least something with a safety listing. Some manufacturers state this on the listing page but most don't. In general I try to step up to 100W if the cost is reasonable (look for a sale), the adapters tend to be a little more efficient and capable. Remember if you use two ports on this 65W adapter it drops the power level significantly per port. The 100W adapters generally can maintain 65W on at least one port with a couple devices plugged in. If it is all about size then I end up having to say Anker... if you can get away with one port, Amazon Basics 65W, cheap and it's okay.
Hats off! Would you recommend the Baseus 100W GaN5 (Aliexpress)or your favorite Baseus 100W GaN 3? I know you have not reviewed GaN5 yet, but I do not know which to choose since they have similar prices! Thank you in advance :)
I tried purchasing the GaN5 a few times and keep getting a cancelled order reply so not sure what the deal is on that 100W GaN5 device. I'd go with the one that actually exists as far as I can tell.
I haven't yet, the bin of not tested yet is out of control. I've been trying to pick some more popular ones to try to help expand the channel, not really making any difference, ha.
The Baseus charge stations drop in wattage when multiple cables are plugged in even if there's no load (meaning the other end of the cord has no device attached to it). This makes it highly inefficient to have multiple cables plugged in long term until each port is used on occasion when needed. Does Ugreen operate/suffer the same way?
Yeah, this is a can of worms. I don't bother in newer videos. So, on a one device basis, as the technical standards are laid out, even for a lot of commercial equipment, it's just real power, you don't look at anything else. So, this is all I present now. It's not a complete picture and it's not very useful but it's the way it is written and it isn't going to change. One example is that this is useless for laying out circuits for wire size requirements and breakers... Anyway, one disadvantage is cost, a well designed high power factor circuit is more efficient at your meter versus a non-PFC supply. On a one small device basis, it doesn't matter much, 1%, negligible. But the devices losses don't add, they square when you add more devices or larger devices. So, more and more and more, and it's about 10% extra cost of my total electric bill for my residence, it isn't just USB of course. A non-PFC USB power adapter just adds to that loss figure. Distortion of the waveform can be an issue. At 10% it is considered not important enough to bother. Hence the standards being real power only, also no one wants to analyze combined data, just one device at a time, which makes each device look better. What do you think the threshold of it mattering should be? 50%? or should a non-pfc have a higher efficiency requirement to make up for losses? You can save more by taping ductwork, insulating, and sealing gaps in doors and windows, getting more efficient appliances, etc. so those are the market targets. The channel focuses on the electrical side so it's mentioned just for awareness. I went not math heavy on the answer.
Im wondering how much difference could there be between products? For example did they really get the efficiency rating and did you get unlucky with 1 that didnt meet it. And is the Amazon basics really that good or did ypu get lucky with a very efficient one? Or are they really all just exactly the same?
Yeah, I've tested several of some of these, from different manufacturers even, they generally are very close to each other. The PQS uncertainly curve is quite unusual in that it gets larger as the PQS decreases since more factors 'get bad' essentially. Sample to sample variance I've found to be very good though with testing of a few different adapter types. Specific to the Amazon it could be a golden sample.
Where I live I don't have easy access to anker or amazon basics but on sale I am getting the ugreen 3 port for 20$ so, should I consider it or go for the baseus gan2 pro 3 port for the same price? These are my only options and the baseus one is used.
Between Ugreen or Baseus I'd say both are about equal. The Ugreen might have a slight edge because it is a more mature company and probably has a bit better support.
'zero' or just not measurable with a less accurate power meter? Considering the power meter I use can measure the power consumption of a length of wire, I'm sure it's still measurable. It is common for devices to enter a lower power mode after a few minutes of inactivity though. I wait during my testing for this to kick in for official measurements.
Does that mean Baseus 100 W better than U green ? So which is the Charging Station you recommend as a subtitute for old style electric socket? I need to charge my mac ipad phone and game console plus TV and CCTV
which 65w multiport charger would you recommend? i know it wony be able to charge at 65 when more than one device is plugged in abd its fine (my laptop needs around 40w to charge, maybe less is fine too)
Hi, very great channel. I need your opinion on a 65W GaN charger for my ThinkPad laptop. In my country, I can only find the Baseus GaN5Pro (1-year warranty) at $21 (incl. cable) and the Ugreen CD244 (2-year warranty) at $24 (without cable) + $3 for cable. Which one do you think is better? I see a lot of comments about the Baseus charger that died before 1 year. Is the added cost worth it? Since this is my first GaN charger and will be used for a laptop, will it last long? Actually, there are many GaN chargers under $20, but they are not well-known brands, and I have had bad experiences with cheap chargers.
Will you do a video for which portable battery bank, wall charger, and usb-c cable are best for a Nintendo Switch Lite, please? That would be fantastic!
Yeah, you'd think they'd just implement standard USB C. Nope. I'd have to have a Switch Lite to test with which eventually I will get more devices. The battery isn't that big, 3570mAh. So, 13 Wh or so. So, at 10W it should charge in less than 2 hours. I'd think any 5V-2A charger would work fine, but there is a detection device also so a certain resistance value has to be present in the cable.
I'm not sure, the Lenovo page did a pretty good job scrubbing any easy access information off the web. Often they don't tell you anything anyway, it has a USB port, will it charge through that port on a 7th gen intel chip? Maybe. If it supports PD then pretty much any 100W charger I would expect to be fine but that is a guess. Can always pick one up and return it if it doesn't work.
Mate! I really appreciate your videos. Since you have tested a Rocoren brand, can you recommend Rocoren 100W GaN Wall charger? That's what I'm planning to buy since it's just $35 compared to Baseus 100W GaN wall charger which is $50. I'm from the Philippines and I just converted the price from peso to usd.
I haven't checked those out yet. It looks like they have two different versions out. One looks like a clone of the desktop Baseus charger. The wall style looks like a clone of the Invzi (which wasn't so great) but I'd have to test it to find out.
That's not bad, for UGREEN that probably is the best deal. I know sometimes a 100 watt charger can be had for around $50 so I think that is the better deal but it won't be from UGREEN.
bro what will happen if i plugged in a standard charger on a 65 watt GaN charger, will the device be forced to charge in 65 watts or just charged the ussual as it it? the charger is essager usb type c 3 ports on 220 since im in the phillipines becouse i am updating my charger to just one charger now, if its possible. thank you.
The device decides how much power to use. If it is an older slow charging device it will default to slower 5V charging without something to tell the power adapter to raise the power level. This can be either current for 5v or voltage modes to achieve the much higher power levels. Default output is 5V from a USB power adapter (as long as it isn't proprietary nonsense).
@@AllThingsOnePlace i think getting the 65w is ok then, just tying to future proof i guess and maybe just carry 1 power brick instead of many things with while im otg. thank man!
So, it is a current limit. For PPS mode fast charging of some devices, they use 11V maximum which means you need just over 4 amps. This device tops out at 3 amps in that mode so doesn't support the full power level in that mode. At 20V it will deliver all 65W no problem. These are variable voltage supplies, where the voltage is controlled by the device plugged in.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks you for claification! I seem to have gotten myself in a rabbit hole with all these power supplies. Never thought there are so many depth to them :D
I mean Samsung makes power adapters, so, if a total unknown, I say go with the brand of charger of the device. It may not be most efficient or best performance adapter but it's made for the device. If you want to branch out more, then Anker tends to have the lead in reputation. UGREEN has started to add safety listings and some seemingly more premium products to the lineup. There are a completely insane amount of options on the market though so I've only tested enough to scratch the surface.
Yeah, that's a big stretch of time. Mine still works, but I don't use it a lot. Basically to check something once in a while. If you want more time out of these things reducing power level is important, as they will make less heat.
I have a Xiaomi 11T Pro that charges up to 60-65 W using the UGREEN Nexode 100W charger in this video. I tried other 65W and 100W chargers and powerbanks but the only other device that can charge faster than 25W is the Anker 737 and the Nexode 100W charger. I tried other Nexode and Anker chargers and the Anker prime 12000 powerbank. The Xiaomi 67 W and 120 W chargers also charge the phone at 65 W. I have some lesser known brand chargers that do 65 W PD but charge my phone only up to 25 W. Any idea what chargers I can get that charge my Xiaomi 11T Pro faster than 25 W except for the Xiaomi chargers and the UGREEN Nexode 100W? I would love to have a 65W adapter with at least 1 USB-C and 1 USB-A that I could use when travelling and as small as possible as well.
Yeah, it's a proprietary thing. Minimal devices are compatible. In terms of the as small as possible, there's tons of options out there. I tend to shy away from that market as you sacrifice efficiency as a tradeoff for size.
Hi ATOP, I'm looking to get a USB power adapter and power bank - I have multiple devices and would like to get an adapter with multiple ports that can supply the required power for my devices. I have a few questions because honestly I'm generally unsure about a lot of the terminology. Regretting not paying attention in secondary school physics now HAHA 1. If I have a charger that is unable to supply the required wattage that the device requires, how does this affect the device? Will it just not charge, will it charge slowly, or what happens? For example, if I use a 20W max port for a Dell XPS (60W). 2. I live in Singapore, which uses a different voltage & type plug. I notice that your adapters are all US-versions, so can I safely assume the ones with the UK variation will be fine for my side? For example, getting the UGREEN Nexode 200W offered locally would offer similar performance to the one tested on the PQS score. 3. For powerbanks, as long as we know the Wh, we can calculate the total amount of charges by just taking (total Wh * efficiency %) / device Wh? We only need to take into consideration the voltage if the Wh is not provided? The PQS website is super cool - not sure if you're part of the team maintaining it, but it's super functional and very helpful for the consumer. Thanks for the videos - I've found something new to binge watch!
1) The wattage is secondary to the voltage, so a laptop probably won't charge from a '20w' port because it won't deliver enough voltage to charge the laptop. If it did, then it would just charge at 20W, generally the 30W+ ports can charge laptops though, just slower, which is not a problem. 2) Yeah, in general, adapters do a little worse on 230V, but the difference on higher wattage devices is not significant, essentially the same. The higher voltage means idle performance is worse and although efficiency can be better, the power factor gets worse so they kind of balance each other out to be roughly the same performance. 3) Yes! I make it even easier in the video by providing the usable or output watt hour so you can just do one division but yeah for any power bank the math is easy, multiply in voltage for ones that don't provide the information. I need to get these on the database also. Work in progress... Thanks for feedback on the PQS page, it is very early days but we are going to keep building it.
@@AllThingsOnePlace 1) So with response to 1, let's say I have a multiport adapter, and I have 2 laptops plugged in. According to the manual, the 2nd port does not deliver the wattage required by the charger. As the port is technically capable at reaching the voltage needed to charge the laptop but not the wattage, does the laptop charge in this scenario? I don't know if this makes sense but I don't really have a good understanding of how the wattage works in conjunction with the voltage. Super thankful for the response - do you have a sheet/page where you denote this information for all the powerbanks you have tested? It'd be good to have one paired with a database with the Wh of popular devices (flagship phones, USB-c laptops) to simplify "capacity" to the average consumers by using total amount of chargers, over, the total amount of MAh which is a misleading number? In addition, I'd like to see if you'd ever review the RAVPower powerbanks - I personally have one but would like to know the technical specs behind them, as well as the Omnicharge products - I'm planning to get an Omni 20c or 40c.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no short term. A 30 watt power adapter will take a long time to recoup efficiency gained cost benefit. In the long run mostly yes. If the adapter can last a reasonable long while, then a more efficient and more expensive unit will pay it's way, as long as it isn't massively overpriced.
yeah if 1kwt price is 0.15$ then 5% difference for 65w adapter will pay itself in around 5 years of constant work(at max) i know it is not that deep anyway and most chargers would not last so long.@@AllThingsOnePlace
Well! So, I've already bought the UGREEN Nexode GaN 65W. I'll try to sell it or at least use it while ordering the 45W version next month. Do you recommend the same brand, or do you have any other references in mind?@@AllThingsOnePlace
Pretty mind-boggling that a company so prolific would forego acquiring any safety listings at all. I don't expect tech giants like Apple level of certifications where they have all three of the big ones plus several regional listings. But come on. None? There are too many similarly priced chargers that do carry listings to even bother with one that doesn't. And no, I'm not going to just "trust" that they're compliant. No listing, no sale!
I agree with you. I also checked TUV's page to find that these are not included in any of the listings they do have for other devices. TUV lists the standard but I didn't see any country information. Many times UGREEN will have TUV Japan but no US/Canada listing, it isn't identified on the listing page by that category so no idea where they actually applied. I didn't even see the one that said it has TUV Japan on the listing page though so not sure what's going on there.
Samsung like all companies have enormous money for r&d. Nothing on the aftermarket can compare. Not only are we talking charger longevity but exactly phone longevity. My recommendation is always original for people wanting to keep a device a long time. For people always changing phones and whatever=good aftermarket is ok enough.
Hi Dr. Juice! There is a spam/fake review channel stealing your video footage for his video for belkin 30 watt charger for Samsung galaxy z fold 4 phone! I've reported him, you should also! **REVIEW ARENA** FAKE COPYRIGHT
Wow, yeah, just looking at that channel a little, they posted 389 videos already and the channel is 1 year old! That has to be a lot of borrowed footage for that many high end devices at that channel age. Thanks again for pointing this out! I think the only way I'd know if from viewers.
Well, the fun of CE, who knows, self declaration, it's like a self review, do you ever write anything except perfection. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't but the listing company isn't on the box, in the manual, or on the product. You can find the listing reports on the TUV website for some of the products. I think UGREEN is starting to get better with this though.
@@AllThingsOnePlaceYep, they spend loads over at SlickDeals to get their "deals" on the Front Page. This was the route that Anker took but without any semblance of better than average quality.
These reviews are really helpful. Recently you have been focusing a lot on the higher end, higher capacity chargers and power banks. I would really like to see a comparison of the ultralight "travel card" style power chargers. The stuff that is tiny enough to toss into a pocket or backpack just in case you might need a single top off charge. The ones that advertise 5000 mah but probably aren't even that big. I am currently carrying around a reasonably large power bank in my backpack and I realize that I almost never need its full capacity, and so I want something small/light.
Yeah, I have tested a couple smaller ones, the Anker 5k fusion was in a video, ruclips.net/video/G2r_PFg2YsM/видео.html with a bunch of others. I have more on the way too. On power adapters I did a huge 30W roundup not very long ago. ruclips.net/video/G2r_PFg2YsM/видео.html and obviously in this video did 4 adapters. Trying to get through more to cover more, but it is expensive and time consuming. Time more limiting than anything. I am putting the work in so hopefully the channel doesn't die, which is okay and inevitable, power adapters and power banks will not make a successful RUclips channel, at some point I will have to dial this back or learn a lot more and get better at this. I enjoy making the content at least for now.
I do have a lot more smaller and larger power adapters and power banks on the way all in time including one on slim adapters.
@@AllThingsOnePlace I think it is really helpful what you are doing, since most people don't have the test equipment or knowledge to see what powerbanks and adapters are decent and which are junk. Honestly, Amazon shouldn't sell either adapters or powerbanks that don't meet some basic standards of power quality, capacity accuracy and safety. But since they don't do what they should be doing, it falls to people like you to help us filter the good from the bad or even dangerous.
Happy to see your channel is growing. I could still remember your apple vs spigen 20w comparison.
Yep, it has been a fun ride. I do need to start figuring out how to promote the channel.
I had just looked at a Ugreen power adaptor, and your video popped up - thank the algorithm, haha. Your videos are so informative and helpful both with the specific devices you're testing and with understanding devices of this type in general. I have a Helpers Labs charger, and I will never use all the ports simultaneously - just because I watched one of your videos - it helps me be safe.
This latest one was a really useful video. Thanks for putting the work in. I would sub again if it would make any difference. All the best. 👍🏾👍🏾🔥🔥
Thanks for watching! Yeah, this one was a ton of work but it worked better as a combo versus individual reviews I think.
@@AllThingsOnePlace ...absolutely works better in the group. Your comparisons with other devices gives the context a non-expert, like me, would understand. I really have trouble watching reviews of anything which does not involve some form of comparison. Sometimes the whole thing cannot be a comparison, but with contrast, it can be more helpful. Seeing a family of Ugreens tells a story of how they are thinking (or not thinking, haha). So yeah...loved the comparisons and insights in this video.
This is the greatest channel. I love your reviews.
The more Anker products you do, the more views you gonna get. They have a huge following for some reason
Tell me about it, haha. There's a reason I stuff in Anker videos at regular intervals.
Thanks for the review.
Got the DigiNest 100 Pro yesterday and ordered the 65 watt version today.
With 5 AC outlets in total I can hide all of the messy power cables and I get many fast charging ports for charging my phone, headphones, iPad Pro and powerbank while powering one of my displays via USB C.
The only thing I find annoying is that the display turns off and on everytime the charger "negotiates" when new devices are connected and unplugged. This also happens with my other gan chargers.
Yeah, negotiation is the nature of these chargers it seems.
Thank you for such good and detailed review, you are real professional in your review. Love your reviews.
Thanks for watching!
I bought the 100W Gan charger. Crazy. 3 USB-C ports + 1 USB-A in a tiny cube shape charger. I can charge 2 laptops and a phone all at once.
Nice.
Hi, although they do not have safety marks, ANker and Ugreen products are cTUVus certified. This is because direct UL or CSA certification is very expensive and time consuming. With rising costs, companies are looking save on already thinning margins.
So the 65W diginest cube for example is compliant with UL1363 standard, which is why it features such a thick 14AWG powercord. They just don't feature the safety mark to to cut licensing fee.
Yeah, I looked up the UGREEN certs, these products aren't on the list... If it isn't in the list or on the product, they aren't certified. Claiming they pass the tests doesn't mean certified. This isn't a cost saving measure either. Say it's $50k to get the product listed and they sell 100,000 of these... It is a bad argument. Also, value proposition, UGREEN is charging more money! Agencies also group listings so cost can be reduced. Also, the listing UGREEN has online are not for US standards on TUV, maybe some other agency, there are a lot of agencies now?
There are numerous other reasons to have a listed product, having a thick power cord doesn't mean you are safety listed. It is great they do though, they are good for power strips. The shutters on the doors of the outlets are great too. UGREEN is not a bad company, and from what I have seen the power adapters aren't bad. They are doing the same as many other companies though and it is the opposite direction of quality and progress. Like I said, get away with it if you can, and they can.
@@AllThingsOnePlace I don’t think their sales and margins are as high as you think. Also, UL keeps updating certification standards every year which is unnecessary. Every time they do an update, these companies have to recertify. Plus, UL still does not allow two USBC ports under UL 817 which is ridiculous. Companies wanting dual usbc ports and 3 sockets are forced to follow UL1363 which is too overkill. Plus 14AWG cables are just too bulky and excessive. Better to Limit current to 16a with a breaker or OCP and use 16AWG cable.
@@tonsab.assist.master True on the standards changing, and not for the better in a lot of cases (a standard for loudspeakers has a locked rotor test now, like how did that pass the review process). They wouldn't have to redo every part of the certification though, only what's changed, if even applicable. There are ongoing expenses of course, inspections, etc. The year of the standard changes sometimes but the year of application is not generally immediate. Since it would immediately invalidate every safety certificate every time a new version of the standard is released. But yeah, in general standards don't keep up with applications. I wonder if a more general electrical category, I didn't relook them up, is what Anker or Baseus used to certify their products of this same type. Still no excuses on the USB only adapters...
Oh and also, whenever there is a big change in the standard, companies also have to spend a lot of money in redoing things like tooling, pcb, packaging etc.
@@tonsab.assist.master So, you're against safety then?
Thanks for all of your effort in putting these vids, now that I know this, in terms of 65 watts gan charger which would be the best?
The best multiport is still the Anker 7 series at 65W, but the new ones just came out so I have those to test next. The best single port charger is still the Amazon Basics 65W.
One question! Do you recommend the 65w charger o not? I do need a three port charger for a Mac Air and well an iPhone and AirPods, I was thinking of the Ugreen 65w Adapter but After the stuff seen in the video I don’t know what to do, what would you recommend me to do? Should I get a 65w one or a more wattage one With better Power quality?
If you are going to go with a 65W adapter I'd recommend at least something with a safety listing. Some manufacturers state this on the listing page but most don't. In general I try to step up to 100W if the cost is reasonable (look for a sale), the adapters tend to be a little more efficient and capable. Remember if you use two ports on this 65W adapter it drops the power level significantly per port. The 100W adapters generally can maintain 65W on at least one port with a couple devices plugged in. If it is all about size then I end up having to say Anker... if you can get away with one port, Amazon Basics 65W, cheap and it's okay.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks a lot
Thanks for this summary
Hats off! Would you recommend the Baseus 100W GaN5 (Aliexpress)or your favorite Baseus 100W GaN 3? I know you have not reviewed GaN5 yet, but I do not know which to choose since they have similar prices! Thank you in advance :)
I tried purchasing the GaN5 a few times and keep getting a cancelled order reply so not sure what the deal is on that 100W GaN5 device. I'd go with the one that actually exists as far as I can tell.
how about a revew on how long it will last and continue to work properly and as advertized? perhaps a 3 month or 6 month follow up review
Thank you for all your hard work . Will there be a review on the sankton 65 watt charger ? Or have I perhaps missed it?
I haven't yet, the bin of not tested yet is out of control. I've been trying to pick some more popular ones to try to help expand the channel, not really making any difference, ha.
This is a wonderful technology which i can not wait to have.thats wonderful.
Thanks for watching.
The Baseus charge stations drop in wattage when multiple cables are plugged in even if there's no load (meaning the other end of the cord has no device attached to it). This makes it highly inefficient to have multiple cables plugged in long term until each port is used on occasion when needed. Does Ugreen operate/suffer the same way?
If it is a USB C to C cable they won't do that. With an Apple lightning, magsafe or any wireless charging pad they all will behave that way.
Please explain power factor and why it matters in a residential power situation.
Yeah, this is a can of worms. I don't bother in newer videos. So, on a one device basis, as the technical standards are laid out, even for a lot of commercial equipment, it's just real power, you don't look at anything else. So, this is all I present now. It's not a complete picture and it's not very useful but it's the way it is written and it isn't going to change.
One example is that this is useless for laying out circuits for wire size requirements and breakers... Anyway, one disadvantage is cost, a well designed high power factor circuit is more efficient at your meter versus a non-PFC supply. On a one small device basis, it doesn't matter much, 1%, negligible. But the devices losses don't add, they square when you add more devices or larger devices. So, more and more and more, and it's about 10% extra cost of my total electric bill for my residence, it isn't just USB of course. A non-PFC USB power adapter just adds to that loss figure. Distortion of the waveform can be an issue. At 10% it is considered not important enough to bother. Hence the standards being real power only, also no one wants to analyze combined data, just one device at a time, which makes each device look better.
What do you think the threshold of it mattering should be? 50%? or should a non-pfc have a higher efficiency requirement to make up for losses? You can save more by taping ductwork, insulating, and sealing gaps in doors and windows, getting more efficient appliances, etc. so those are the market targets. The channel focuses on the electrical side so it's mentioned just for awareness. I went not math heavy on the answer.
Im wondering how much difference could there be between products? For example did they really get the efficiency rating and did you get unlucky with 1 that didnt meet it. And is the Amazon basics really that good or did ypu get lucky with a very efficient one? Or are they really all just exactly the same?
Yeah, I've tested several of some of these, from different manufacturers even, they generally are very close to each other. The PQS uncertainly curve is quite unusual in that it gets larger as the PQS decreases since more factors 'get bad' essentially. Sample to sample variance I've found to be very good though with testing of a few different adapter types. Specific to the Amazon it could be a golden sample.
Thanks I have been happy with various ugreen cables and accessories around the office but have been hesitant to buy their power adapters.
Yeah, just from the value perspective I'd pick something else. Also, cables and USB accessories have been good for me.
Me too I love Ugreen's cables but weary/leary about their chargers!???
Where I live I don't have easy access to anker or amazon basics but on sale I am getting the ugreen 3 port for 20$ so, should I consider it or go for the baseus gan2 pro 3 port for the same price? These are my only options and the baseus one is used.
Between Ugreen or Baseus I'd say both are about equal. The Ugreen might have a slight edge because it is a more mature company and probably has a bit better support.
Is AmazonBasics any good¿
In a recent ugreen 100w 3 Port review on another channel I have seen that idle power consumption goes to zero after a minute or so
'zero' or just not measurable with a less accurate power meter? Considering the power meter I use can measure the power consumption of a length of wire, I'm sure it's still measurable. It is common for devices to enter a lower power mode after a few minutes of inactivity though. I wait during my testing for this to kick in for official measurements.
@@AllThingsOnePlace anker 735 goes from 0.2w to
Does that mean Baseus 100 W better than U green ? So which is the Charging Station you recommend as a subtitute for old style electric socket? I need to charge my mac ipad phone and game console plus TV and CCTV
In this test, yes the Baseus did better. A regular power strip and a good USB charger is how I do it.
which 65w multiport charger would you recommend? i know it wony be able to charge at 65 when more than one device is plugged in abd its fine (my laptop needs around 40w to charge, maybe less is fine too)
Probably the Anker 735, I have the new 67W one to check out which will be coming out soon, that may be the new best one but I don't know yet.
Hi, very great channel.
I need your opinion on a 65W GaN charger for my ThinkPad laptop. In my country, I can only find the Baseus GaN5Pro (1-year warranty) at $21 (incl. cable) and the Ugreen CD244 (2-year warranty) at $24 (without cable) + $3 for cable. Which one do you think is better? I see a lot of comments about the Baseus charger that died before 1 year. Is the added cost worth it? Since this is my first GaN charger and will be used for a laptop, will it last long?
Actually, there are many GaN chargers under $20, but they are not well-known brands, and I have had bad experiences with cheap chargers.
If the UGREEN has the better reviews then why not give it a try? I don't really have strong opinions of why not to get either.
Is the UGreen 65W compatible with 110V voltage input for the UK plug version?
It should state compatibility on the specs for each. It is very uncommon for these to not support a lower voltage though.
Please try the anker 313 30W charger. Thanks for all the knowledge you share.
Yep, that one will be coming soon.
@@AllThingsOnePlace thabk you will be looking forward to that.
Will you do a video for which portable battery bank, wall charger, and usb-c cable are best for a Nintendo Switch Lite, please? That would be fantastic!
Yeah, you'd think they'd just implement standard USB C. Nope. I'd have to have a Switch Lite to test with which eventually I will get more devices. The battery isn't that big, 3570mAh. So, 13 Wh or so. So, at 10W it should charge in less than 2 hours. I'd think any 5V-2A charger would work fine, but there is a detection device also so a certain resistance value has to be present in the cable.
@AllThingsOnePlace I can't wait for your video. Love your work. Keep being awesome!
any charger recommendation for Thinkpad T580?
I'm not sure, the Lenovo page did a pretty good job scrubbing any easy access information off the web. Often they don't tell you anything anyway, it has a USB port, will it charge through that port on a 7th gen intel chip? Maybe. If it supports PD then pretty much any 100W charger I would expect to be fine but that is a guess. Can always pick one up and return it if it doesn't work.
@@AllThingsOnePlace i heard some said that FW updates not work if you don't plug original charger.
Mate! I really appreciate your videos. Since you have tested a Rocoren brand, can you recommend Rocoren 100W GaN Wall charger? That's what I'm planning to buy since it's just $35 compared to Baseus 100W GaN wall charger which is $50. I'm from the Philippines and I just converted the price from peso to usd.
I haven't checked those out yet. It looks like they have two different versions out. One looks like a clone of the desktop Baseus charger. The wall style looks like a clone of the Invzi (which wasn't so great) but I'd have to test it to find out.
@@AllThingsOnePlace hope you can test it soon because for me it is a sweet spot price for my budget.
What is the best all around green charger overall for price and performance…!??? I am considering buying the 65w 3 port for$40 on sale is it worth it?
That's not bad, for UGREEN that probably is the best deal. I know sometimes a 100 watt charger can be had for around $50 so I think that is the better deal but it won't be from UGREEN.
Could you review the new nexode pro series? More so the 160w
haha, there's always more. Doing all the lower wattage ones today, that one is on the list now though.
6:19 Ugreen DigiNest Pro 100w DOESN'T support 45w Samsung super fast charging as the PPS only supports 3.3-21V/3A.
Thanks!
bro what will happen if i plugged in a standard charger on a 65 watt GaN charger, will the device be forced to charge in 65 watts or just charged the ussual as it it? the charger is essager usb type c 3 ports on 220 since im in the phillipines becouse i am updating my charger to just one charger now, if its possible. thank you.
The device decides how much power to use. If it is an older slow charging device it will default to slower 5V charging without something to tell the power adapter to raise the power level. This can be either current for 5v or voltage modes to achieve the much higher power levels. Default output is 5V from a USB power adapter (as long as it isn't proprietary nonsense).
@@AllThingsOnePlace i think getting the 65w is ok then, just tying to future proof i guess and maybe just carry 1 power brick instead of many things with while im otg. thank man!
How come they say 65W on the box, but then you say that they don't support 45W fast charging? How does that work?
So, it is a current limit. For PPS mode fast charging of some devices, they use 11V maximum which means you need just over 4 amps. This device tops out at 3 amps in that mode so doesn't support the full power level in that mode. At 20V it will deliver all 65W no problem. These are variable voltage supplies, where the voltage is controlled by the device plugged in.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks you for claification! I seem to have gotten myself in a rabbit hole with all these power supplies. Never thought there are so many depth to them :D
Im working for a 45w or 65w for my new phone Samsung s24 ultra, each one would you suggest with a good quality and safe device?
I mean Samsung makes power adapters, so, if a total unknown, I say go with the brand of charger of the device. It may not be most efficient or best performance adapter but it's made for the device. If you want to branch out more, then Anker tends to have the lead in reputation. UGREEN has started to add safety listings and some seemingly more premium products to the lineup. There are a completely insane amount of options on the market though so I've only tested enough to scratch the surface.
sir can you do review in ugreen 20w pd GaN charger
Yeah, I have some smaller UGREEN adapters to do still.
@@AllThingsOnePlace thank you sir
Is the ugreen 100w desktop charging still working? I worry about its durability. I wanna use it for at least 4 years
Yeah, that's a big stretch of time. Mine still works, but I don't use it a lot. Basically to check something once in a while. If you want more time out of these things reducing power level is important, as they will make less heat.
I have a Xiaomi 11T Pro that charges up to 60-65 W using the UGREEN Nexode 100W charger in this video. I tried other 65W and 100W chargers and powerbanks but the only other device that can charge faster than 25W is the Anker 737 and the Nexode 100W charger. I tried other Nexode and Anker chargers and the Anker prime 12000 powerbank. The Xiaomi 67 W and 120 W chargers also charge the phone at 65 W. I have some lesser known brand chargers that do 65 W PD but charge my phone only up to 25 W. Any idea what chargers I can get that charge my Xiaomi 11T Pro faster than 25 W except for the Xiaomi chargers and the UGREEN Nexode 100W? I would love to have a 65W adapter with at least 1 USB-C and 1 USB-A that I could use when travelling and as small as possible as well.
Yeah, it's a proprietary thing. Minimal devices are compatible. In terms of the as small as possible, there's tons of options out there. I tend to shy away from that market as you sacrifice efficiency as a tradeoff for size.
YOu mentioned that it has PPS however, it does not do 45w samsung fast charging but how come ?
It won't deliver enough current. The voltage for the Samsung fast charge is 11V but the charger tops out at 3 amps in that mode.
Samsung 45W SFC 2.0 needs 4 amps of current at 11V, this charger caps at 3A in PPS
Hi ATOP, I'm looking to get a USB power adapter and power bank - I have multiple devices and would like to get an adapter with multiple ports that can supply the required power for my devices. I have a few questions because honestly I'm generally unsure about a lot of the terminology. Regretting not paying attention in secondary school physics now HAHA
1. If I have a charger that is unable to supply the required wattage that the device requires, how does this affect the device? Will it just not charge, will it charge slowly, or what happens? For example, if I use a 20W max port for a Dell XPS (60W).
2. I live in Singapore, which uses a different voltage & type plug. I notice that your adapters are all US-versions, so can I safely assume the ones with the UK variation will be fine for my side? For example, getting the UGREEN Nexode 200W offered locally would offer similar performance to the one tested on the PQS score.
3. For powerbanks, as long as we know the Wh, we can calculate the total amount of charges by just taking (total Wh * efficiency %) / device Wh? We only need to take into consideration the voltage if the Wh is not provided?
The PQS website is super cool - not sure if you're part of the team maintaining it, but it's super functional and very helpful for the consumer. Thanks for the videos - I've found something new to binge watch!
1) The wattage is secondary to the voltage, so a laptop probably won't charge from a '20w' port because it won't deliver enough voltage to charge the laptop. If it did, then it would just charge at 20W, generally the 30W+ ports can charge laptops though, just slower, which is not a problem.
2) Yeah, in general, adapters do a little worse on 230V, but the difference on higher wattage devices is not significant, essentially the same. The higher voltage means idle performance is worse and although efficiency can be better, the power factor gets worse so they kind of balance each other out to be roughly the same performance.
3) Yes! I make it even easier in the video by providing the usable or output watt hour so you can just do one division but yeah for any power bank the math is easy, multiply in voltage for ones that don't provide the information. I need to get these on the database also. Work in progress...
Thanks for feedback on the PQS page, it is very early days but we are going to keep building it.
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1) So with response to 1, let's say I have a multiport adapter, and I have 2 laptops plugged in. According to the manual, the 2nd port does not deliver the wattage required by the charger. As the port is technically capable at reaching the voltage needed to charge the laptop but not the wattage, does the laptop charge in this scenario? I don't know if this makes sense but I don't really have a good understanding of how the wattage works in conjunction with the voltage.
Super thankful for the response - do you have a sheet/page where you denote this information for all the powerbanks you have tested? It'd be good to have one paired with a database with the Wh of popular devices (flagship phones, USB-c laptops) to simplify "capacity" to the average consumers by using total amount of chargers, over, the total amount of MAh which is a misleading number?
In addition, I'd like to see if you'd ever review the RAVPower powerbanks - I personally have one but would like to know the technical specs behind them, as well as the Omnicharge products - I'm planning to get an Omni 20c or 40c.
Hi can you review the Xiaomi GaN BHR5515GL?
I added it to the list.
what will work for Samsung SFC 2.0?
for 45W, PPS up to 11V and at least 5 amps. You also need a 5A, 100W, or 240W, emark USB C to C cable.
it is cool to compare efficiency but will energy cost worth buying 15$ more expensive power suply?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no short term. A 30 watt power adapter will take a long time to recoup efficiency gained cost benefit. In the long run mostly yes. If the adapter can last a reasonable long while, then a more efficient and more expensive unit will pay it's way, as long as it isn't massively overpriced.
yeah if 1kwt price is 0.15$ then 5% difference for 65w adapter will pay itself in around 5 years of constant work(at max) i know it is not that deep anyway and most chargers would not last so long.@@AllThingsOnePlace
can you charge your headphone and mouse with these??
Sure, that’s a light load condition but no reason they can’t charge 5v only devices.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Thanks good to know
Is it safe to use this ones plugged in extension lead?)) in UK :D
They do only claim lower voltage so I don't think that is a good idea.
Please review ugreen 200w old version with ugreen 200w new version
I don't see a new version.
So not good for super fast charging 2.0 for galaxy s23 ultra ?
So, PPS mode at 5 amps and at least 11V is required for 45W charging. If they lack that mode it won't go at full speed.
AENZR 130 4 type c
If u could test it
Thanks for the suggestion.
Please tell me what is the best 100w charger for India? 😢
I have no idea! Big round pins on the plugs.
@@AllThingsOnePlace it’s okay no problem 😌
Entonces, ¿no recomiendas el UGREEN Nexode GaN 65W? ¿Qué otras recomendaciones harías?
Yeah, I don’t really recommend that one, actually I don’t really recommend many 65w adapters. It is a very popular category though.
Well! So, I've already bought the UGREEN Nexode GaN 65W. I'll try to sell it or at least use it while ordering the 45W version next month. Do you recommend the same brand, or do you have any other references in mind?@@AllThingsOnePlace
Can u tell which best adapter to buy fast charging
There are a lot, the Anker 313 is specifically made for Samsung's 45W charging. There are also lots of other protocols.
Pretty mind-boggling that a company so prolific would forego acquiring any safety listings at all. I don't expect tech giants like Apple level of certifications where they have all three of the big ones plus several regional listings. But come on. None?
There are too many similarly priced chargers that do carry listings to even bother with one that doesn't.
And no, I'm not going to just "trust" that they're compliant. No listing, no sale!
I agree with you. I also checked TUV's page to find that these are not included in any of the listings they do have for other devices. TUV lists the standard but I didn't see any country information. Many times UGREEN will have TUV Japan but no US/Canada listing, it isn't identified on the listing page by that category so no idea where they actually applied. I didn't even see the one that said it has TUV Japan on the listing page though so not sure what's going on there.
Subbed after only two videos. Am I getting soft?
haha, I guess so.
The ugreen 65w is better than Samsung 65w?
In measurement, it is a little better. I'd probably trust the Samsung over the long run though.
Samsung like all companies have enormous money for r&d. Nothing on the aftermarket can compare.
Not only are we talking charger longevity but exactly phone longevity.
My recommendation is always original for people wanting to keep a device a long time. For people always changing phones and whatever=good aftermarket is ok enough.
Hi Dr. Juice! There is a spam/fake review channel stealing your video footage for his video for belkin 30 watt charger for Samsung galaxy z fold 4 phone! I've reported him, you should also! **REVIEW ARENA** FAKE COPYRIGHT
Wow, yeah, just looking at that channel a little, they posted 389 videos already and the channel is 1 year old! That has to be a lot of borrowed footage for that many high end devices at that channel age. Thanks again for pointing this out! I think the only way I'd know if from viewers.
They don’t comply with American safety standards, but do they comply with the European safety standards?
Well, the fun of CE, who knows, self declaration, it's like a self review, do you ever write anything except perfection. Sometimes they will and sometimes they won't but the listing company isn't on the box, in the manual, or on the product. You can find the listing reports on the TUV website for some of the products. I think UGREEN is starting to get better with this though.
@@AllThingsOnePlace Just ordered a 100W nexode and they do seem to have the correct marking I expect them to have
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Thanks!
sadly I just bought the ugreen 65w XD I will have to wait for it to die to change it
Yeah, I think a lot of people bought it, the ad campaign was big. A lot of big youtubers promoted it.
Nah! Hard pass on these.
Haha, I'm not sure what the deal is... They have a huge marketing campaign though.
@@AllThingsOnePlaceYep, they spend loads over at SlickDeals to get their "deals" on the Front Page. This was the route that Anker took but without any semblance of better than average quality.
@@AllThingsOnePlace it needs to be rewritten
buying Ugreen is like funding She Hulk... both have green & flop 😂
I think the regular hulk (there’s several versions at this point I’m sure) was pretty floppy as well.
Not a fan of this massive power adapters.
Yeah, they way they are going the laptop is going to be lighter than the power adapter.
Ugreen products are crap.
I do get that impression sometimes.
UGREEN is good on marketing but they're but a knock off with a good brand. Baseus is better than them
Baseus has some bad products too, but in general I do trust them over UGREEN.