Gotta love the variation in work you are doing recently, really keeps life interesting. I have a similar business model minus the excavating. Trying to only do 2 tree days a week (hard on the body and equipment). I still have yet to get to do a crane job though, these videos really make me want to get into it! Thanks for the video
@SidonianTree For sure man! I enjoy work a lot more when it's a little something different here and there. I do have better profit margins if I focus on just one thing. But money isn't everything 🤷♂️ I'd say the hardest part of crane work is the logistics. After you have all the right people and equipment on site, it goes really easy.
@@woodworker3122 haha I hear you there. I mostly like that electric saw for the purpose of keeping the intercom available for talking while cuts are being made. The gas saws tend to drown out voices on the intercom.
Hi Zach, with the size of those trees and the weight it is awesome that you had Rick and his Crane to assist. Good there were no mishaps taking those large pieces over that home. On that one piece that was 5,200 pounds and your margin was for 6,100 pounds was it possible for Rick to set the margin to 7,000 or 8,000 pounds, just for safety? Not sure how it all works so just curious. Sorry if it is a crazy question. You always do a great job filming so we can see the Crane in operation and appreciate all of the comments explaining what is happening. Enjoy hearing all of weights as well. Great to see Rick on this video and it is awesome that you have a great working relationship together.
@benburns5995 Hey Ben, thank you for all the positive feedback. That is an excellent question! The capacity the crane has is determined by how far away the hook is from the crane. So Rick could raise the boom angle up to bring the hook closer to him and increase capacity, but then that would cause the piece to swing around crazily when I cut it off. We choose to center the hook over the piece so it doesn't swing. If we wanted to have a better margin for the pick you mentioned, we should have cut it higher and made the piece weigh less.
@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648 absolutely! I'll be all around. I typically spend some time hanging out at endors booth on the east side of the horse track. If they have a climbing course set up on a crane, I might try that this year. I might make a point of being at endors at a certain time for anyone who would like to stop by and shake hands.
Absolutely love watching your technique of cutting down trees. You know your saws capability. You let the saw do the work for sure! Great team of people you get to do your craft with. Are the pants you wear Kevlar and have you ever had a bad experience with any saw work, rigging mistakes or just had one of those days you wish you could take back?
@brucepeterson955 Thanks, Bruce! I do wear chainsaw pants. They use a variety of fibers to make protective pants, I. I'm not sure if these have Kevlar or something else in them. I've had many minor poor experiences, but I've been blessed to have never made any mistakes with large consequences. My worst failure was probably topping a very tall white pine on a windy and rainy day. A gust came alost at just the wrong time and pushed the top into a small shed that it was supposed to land beside. It tore a couple of shingles and knocked some siding off. Thankfully, the customer was very understanding and had some attic stock to make the repair with and a neigh or who I was able to pay to do the work. It ended up not being that big of a deal in the end.
@@zaccheus Thank goodness you are very safe and think about what you do. I hate to ask as I am a pretty new follower, but where are you located. I am in Washington State just above Seattle and logging is not a big thing this way anymore. Yes, we have sawmills close by and very few paper mills anymore but we do have a bunch of independents that fall trees for a living. We are noted for a lot of wind and rain and the trees grow quite quickly and quite large. Lots of evergreens and deciduous trees too! Maybe someday you can visit our state for some great recreation activities. Take care and thanks for the vlogs you share.
@brucepeterson955 That is a beautiful place to be. We vacationed uo there a year ago and saw some of the huge huge trees in the rainforest up there. Truely amazing. I am located in Ohio. Mostly hardiness zone 6 with a little 7b at the southern most part. We have a few species here that reach 130ft in a forest setting, but of our urban trees are 90ft or less. The most challenging part is that they tend to be wider than they are tall. It requires some creative thinking to move around in the efficiently.
see if you can get a little more matting for the outriggers getting the higher load. There was a crane in my area that had an outrigger pad sink straight into the soil in my area and flip. They had a similar 3 foot pad. There was also a case where a climber was attached to the ball somewhere out east and the outrigger punched through and took the climber with it. One of those goofy parts of crane work that gets overlooked. If anything see if the companies you work with can bring some plywood to beef it up.
@jiffypop247 He had some extra mats and cribbing on the truck. I dont think thise thin olastic mats have enkugh structure to actually spread the weight out very much at all. The just bend enough to remove the ridges that the regualr thick pads leave around the edge. I've seen some articles about the incident you mentioned and I believe atleast it was due to the outrigger being set over a septic tank. Thay seems to be the most common outrigger failure I've seen.
Zach, great job as usual. I think that saw was a little small for a few of those cuts, but it did well. Do you keep micro wedges on your saddle put in cut when doing trunk cuts stops the pinching of the saw on last little bit of cut
@robertvannicolo4435 the little electric saw definitely did not like some of those bigger cuts I'd really like to try a full chisel chain on it becaise I think that would help a lot with angled cuts especially. I don't carry any small wedged in in the tree with me. Rick is really good about getting the pretension just right so I don't run into many issues with the saw pinching.
That crane guy's slings have Cartec Joker hooks, or a similar brand. They are just hooks designed to fit polyester round slings. The smaller sizes are pretty cheap. The green ones are made to fit green round slings which are rated at 5,300# w/5:1 safety factor. Easier than messing with shackles. In construction we don't usually go below red round slings which are minimum 13,200# WLL. The matching Joker hooks are a little spendy and so we usually just use shackles. But I'd buy the hooks if I was worried about dropped objects.
@boomupengineering Man, you really know your rigging stuff! I do like the hooks for their lack of droppable pieces. They do expose the operation. To more human error because they depend 100% on correct orientation. As long as you can keep them hooked the right way, I think they're safe than shackles.
So, the max weight you talk about, is that the weight the cable can withstand before causing trouble, or the motor of the crane, or the possibility of tipping the crane/truck?. Sorry if that is a stupid question.
@marymulrooney1334 That's actually a great question! There are three different things that can go wrong. The winch motor can not have enough pulling power to lift the piece, the boom can break in half, or the crane can tip over. The boom angle and the cable configuration. Determine what will happen first. For example, if the boom is at a really low angle the crane will tip over if overloaded. If it's at a medium angle, the boom will break when overloaded, and when the boom is at a really steep angle, the winch motor won't have enough strength of lift the load.
Hey Zach, very nice job! Surprised you and Rick were off as much as you were with one of the the last weight guess on the wood picks. I was thinking 5,000 lbs and it ended up being 5,100... What was the total weight moved with the crane those 2 trees ya figure?
The tree to the left of the house has all its limbs leaning to the house too. If I were the customer I would have taken that down too, or at the least trim it. Can you cut a lot of limbs off of a big tree and still have it survive? Where it will grow new limbs and bush out instead of up?
@marymulrooney1334 I wasn't a part of choosing what trees stayed and what trees were taken down. I do know themat the company I worked for that day took down 30 trees before I got there. They might have taken that other one down after I left. Typically, as a general rule of thumb, you can take 30% of a trees foliage before you risk killing it. Some trees are more tolerant than others, but 30% is typically a good number to aim for. We really really try to avoid removing large limbs from trees because it leaves a big wpukd that take a long time to heal. Wound thays take a long time to heal are bad beciase they often start to decay and cause structural issues before they can heal all the way shut. Again, some species heal wounds faster than others and are more tolerant of big wounds.
@@chriss2981 You mean to spider leg each pick? We had one on the job. They just take more time to set up. Of course, they are absolutely necessary in some situations, but if we can get the piece to stand up nicely without taking the time to spider leg, it seems to be a fair balance of safety and production 🤷♂️
@julianalderson3938 I've never used chains, I have used dyneema core rope once or twice. The rope allowed me more options for how I wanted to attach the sling to the tree, but it wasn't so superior that I prefer it all the time or anything. I've heard chains are very unfavorable for tree work, but I don't have any experience.
I've watched a lot of your videos and it seems that more and more of them you are using the Milwaukee top handle saw. Is it better than the Sthil or just what you have in the truck? I'm looking at buying a top handle saw and would like your opinion.
@craiglange1781 Thanks for your loyal viewership! I do really like the milwaukee top handle saw. I think it's a nice balance of cost and fuction as far as battery saws are concerned. However, it is not a replacement for gas yet. If I was only allowed to own one top handle saw, I'd choose the 201. It's lighter, more powerful, and has better chain options. None of the electric saws in the market compete with gas power to weight ratio. The benefits of electric saws amount to not have to pull start them and less noise which can but good for crane work or complex rigging scenarios. It's also nice for the camera audio to not have a gas saw roaring away all the time. I don't have any experience with it, but I hear the new husky top handle is a good saw too.
@@craiglange1781 of course! Don't ever hesitate to say something if you want to hear something in particular explained. I'll do my best ot work it into a video
@ColeDoornwaard I've only ever used the Oregon chain that comes with it. I don't like it though. I really want to find a full chisel logger style chain to go on it, but there are many chain options in .325" low pro and .043" guage
@susannahlance4437 Ah I'm sorry tree work is such an expensive service. Tennessee is a long ride from me and I don't expect to be down there any time soon. You may be best served by trying to find a local, independent climber rather than a tree service to get the trees down. Then you can do the clean up yourself and save some money.
@@WascallyWabbits I've only ever owned arbpro ev2 boots. They've served me better than any lineman boot. I think I'm 3 years into my current pair. I'll probably need to replace them next season. They're looking a little rough 😅
@WascallyWabbits as I recall, they are definitely the most cost effective too. I think arborwear has a big 20% off sale twice a year. Might be worth trying ti get them when that's going on
@ChadBurdine This crane is a 38-ton Altec. It has 127 feet of boom, though we rarely run the boom all the way out to keep the boom more rigid. It's a really good size crane for tree work in the midwest. Larger models can be difficult to get into residential properties. This crane has a functional working radius of 74ft from the center of slew, which seems to work out well enough for working over most houses.
LOL, ya' lazy cheater. 2nd pick you could've climbed up that stem and been waiting on Rick to send the slings to you. JK. You know that. Make full use of that great mechanical advantage, right? Never mentioned it before but I knew once you started using the vee cut for crane picks you'd like it much better. Good stuff as always. And as always, stay safe buddy.
@ClellWise haha, I tried to move around with the crane once or twice on a few jobs and it always bit me in the rear in the end 😂 now I just wait to ride to the next spot. It does seem to work a little better than the snap cuts. It definitely take more time to make angled cuts rather than bypass cuts, but i think it's work it.
@@zaccheus Of course in the perfect world, operator has just the right amount of pretension so when final part of the cut is made the piece would just move straight up and not rotate or twist or fly at the climber. Not always going to happen that way right. Still that cut just seems better than the snap cut. But what do I know?
@ClellWise of course, of course. The operator can only work with what he can see and the rest is up to me. Rick has tons if crane experience and I have little. Any mis calculations that occur are likely my fault 😅
20:55 I love the smiley face on your chain saw. Looks like a happy orange robot.
Haha! I never rally noticed that! Thanks for pointing the out!
Good show as always my friend!
@osagejon8972 Thanks Jon!
Another Awesome job in the Books! Stay safe Brother!
@@johnsmith-wd5sq thank you sir!
Gotta love the variation in work you are doing recently, really keeps life interesting. I have a similar business model minus the excavating. Trying to only do 2 tree days a week (hard on the body and equipment). I still have yet to get to do a crane job though, these videos really make me want to get into it! Thanks for the video
@SidonianTree For sure man! I enjoy work a lot more when it's a little something different here and there. I do have better profit margins if I focus on just one thing. But money isn't everything 🤷♂️
I'd say the hardest part of crane work is the logistics. After you have all the right people and equipment on site, it goes really easy.
Great work. Love knowing how much those things weigh.
@barbaratheillustrator02484 Thanks, Barbra!
Nuthin to say this time but cheers. N sorry for chippin in when not needed.cheers bro'
I think at this point you have more crane experience than I do!
@@WoodCutr1 🤷♂️ experience is hard to measure
I like the electrics but I do miss the sound of a gas saw.😢 Glad there was some gas at the end.😂
@@woodworker3122 haha I hear you there. I mostly like that electric saw for the purpose of keeping the intercom available for talking while cuts are being made. The gas saws tend to drown out voices on the intercom.
Awesome job guys ✊️
@gregbrown9271 thanks greg!
Awesome job brother
@@toddjacks8288 Thanks Todd
Hi Zach, with the size of those trees and the weight it is awesome that you had Rick and his Crane to assist.
Good there were no mishaps taking those large pieces over that home.
On that one piece that was 5,200 pounds and your margin was for 6,100 pounds was it possible for Rick to set the margin to 7,000 or 8,000 pounds, just for safety? Not sure how it all works so just curious. Sorry if it is a crazy question.
You always do a great job filming so we can see the Crane in operation and appreciate all of the comments explaining what is happening. Enjoy hearing all of weights as well.
Great to see Rick on this video and it is awesome that you have a great working relationship together.
@benburns5995 Hey Ben, thank you for all the positive feedback. That is an excellent question! The capacity the crane has is determined by how far away the hook is from the crane. So Rick could raise the boom angle up to bring the hook closer to him and increase capacity, but then that would cause the piece to swing around crazily when I cut it off. We choose to center the hook over the piece so it doesn't swing. If we wanted to have a better margin for the pick you mentioned, we should have cut it higher and made the piece weigh less.
Great job, hope to see you next weekend, just got to figure out where you are at 😅
@michaelwhiteoldtimer7648 absolutely! I'll be all around. I typically spend some time hanging out at endors booth on the east side of the horse track. If they have a climbing course set up on a crane, I might try that this year. I might make a point of being at endors at a certain time for anyone who would like to stop by and shake hands.
Absolutely love watching your technique of cutting down trees. You know your saws capability. You
let the saw do the work for sure! Great team of people you get to do your craft with. Are the pants you wear Kevlar and have you ever had a bad experience with any saw work, rigging mistakes or just had one of those days you wish you could take back?
@brucepeterson955 Thanks, Bruce! I do wear chainsaw pants. They use a variety of fibers to make protective pants, I. I'm not sure if these have Kevlar or something else in them.
I've had many minor poor experiences, but I've been blessed to have never made any mistakes with large consequences. My worst failure was probably topping a very tall white pine on a windy and rainy day. A gust came alost at just the wrong time and pushed the top into a small shed that it was supposed to land beside. It tore a couple of shingles and knocked some siding off. Thankfully, the customer was very understanding and had some attic stock to make the repair with and a neigh or who I was able to pay to do the work. It ended up not being that big of a deal in the end.
@@zaccheus Thank goodness you are very safe and think about what you do. I hate to ask as I am a pretty new follower, but where are you located. I am in Washington State just above Seattle and logging is not a big thing this way anymore. Yes, we have sawmills close by and very few paper mills anymore but we do have a bunch of independents that fall trees for a living. We are noted for a lot of wind and rain and the trees grow quite quickly and quite large. Lots of evergreens and deciduous trees too! Maybe someday you can visit our state for some great recreation activities. Take care and thanks for the vlogs you share.
@brucepeterson955 That is a beautiful place to be. We vacationed uo there a year ago and saw some of the huge huge trees in the rainforest up there. Truely amazing. I am located in Ohio. Mostly hardiness zone 6 with a little 7b at the southern most part. We have a few species here that reach 130ft in a forest setting, but of our urban trees are 90ft or less. The most challenging part is that they tend to be wider than they are tall. It requires some creative thinking to move around in the efficiently.
see if you can get a little more matting for the outriggers getting the higher load. There was a crane in my area that had an outrigger pad sink straight into the soil in my area and flip. They had a similar 3 foot pad. There was also a case where a climber was attached to the ball somewhere out east and the outrigger punched through and took the climber with it. One of those goofy parts of crane work that gets overlooked. If anything see if the companies you work with can bring some plywood to beef it up.
@jiffypop247 He had some extra mats and cribbing on the truck. I dont think thise thin olastic mats have enkugh structure to actually spread the weight out very much at all. The just bend enough to remove the ridges that the regualr thick pads leave around the edge.
I've seen some articles about the incident you mentioned and I believe atleast it was due to the outrigger being set over a septic tank. Thay seems to be the most common outrigger failure I've seen.
Zach, great job as usual. I think that saw was a little small for a few of those cuts, but it did well. Do you keep micro wedges on your saddle put in cut when doing trunk cuts stops the pinching of the saw on last little bit of cut
@robertvannicolo4435 the little electric saw definitely did not like some of those bigger cuts I'd really like to try a full chisel chain on it becaise I think that would help a lot with angled cuts especially.
I don't carry any small wedged in in the tree with me. Rick is really good about getting the pretension just right so I don't run into many issues with the saw pinching.
Kayu apa ini tinggi sekali teman 😮, anda memotong nya panjang 👍
The tree closest to the house is oak, the one farther from the house is maple 😊
That crane guy's slings have Cartec Joker hooks, or a similar brand. They are just hooks designed to fit polyester round slings. The smaller sizes are pretty cheap. The green ones are made to fit green round slings which are rated at 5,300# w/5:1 safety factor. Easier than messing with shackles. In construction we don't usually go below red round slings which are minimum 13,200# WLL. The matching Joker hooks are a little spendy and so we usually just use shackles. But I'd buy the hooks if I was worried about dropped objects.
@boomupengineering Man, you really know your rigging stuff! I do like the hooks for their lack of droppable pieces. They do expose the operation. To more human error because they depend 100% on correct orientation. As long as you can keep them hooked the right way, I think they're safe than shackles.
So, the max weight you talk about, is that the weight the cable can withstand before causing trouble, or the motor of the crane, or the possibility of tipping the crane/truck?.
Sorry if that is a stupid question.
@marymulrooney1334 That's actually a great question! There are three different things that can go wrong. The winch motor can not have enough pulling power to lift the piece, the boom can break in half, or the crane can tip over. The boom angle and the cable configuration. Determine what will happen first. For example, if the boom is at a really low angle the crane will tip over if overloaded. If it's at a medium angle, the boom will break when overloaded, and when the boom is at a really steep angle, the winch motor won't have enough strength of lift the load.
Hey Zach, very nice job! Surprised you and Rick were off as much as you were with one of the the last weight guess on the wood picks. I was thinking 5,000 lbs and it ended up being 5,100... What was the total weight moved with the crane those 2 trees ya figure?
@MikeBrooks12550 Good guess! I didn't really keep track but most of our picks were over 2k so maybe 25,000lb for the oak tree 🤷♂️
The tree to the left of the house has all its limbs leaning to the house too. If I were the customer I would have taken that down too, or at the least trim it.
Can you cut a lot of limbs off of a big tree and still have it survive? Where it will grow new limbs and bush out instead of up?
@marymulrooney1334 I wasn't a part of choosing what trees stayed and what trees were taken down. I do know themat the company I worked for that day took down 30 trees before I got there. They might have taken that other one down after I left.
Typically, as a general rule of thumb, you can take 30% of a trees foliage before you risk killing it. Some trees are more tolerant than others, but 30% is typically a good number to aim for. We really really try to avoid removing large limbs from trees because it leaves a big wpukd that take a long time to heal. Wound thays take a long time to heal are bad beciase they often start to decay and cause structural issues before they can heal all the way shut. Again, some species heal wounds faster than others and are more tolerant of big wounds.
You really need to get some rope slings. Will help the picks become alot more static.
@@chriss2981 You mean to spider leg each pick? We had one on the job. They just take more time to set up. Of course, they are absolutely necessary in some situations, but if we can get the piece to stand up nicely without taking the time to spider leg, it seems to be a fair balance of safety and production 🤷♂️
6:08 The text words say you guess 4000, but you said 2800 so you were way off text wise. LOL
@marymulrooney1334 lol, oops 😅 thanks for catching that. Sometimes things get a little mixed up in the editing process
Just thought ask. Would you always use chains or thick dimena rope?
@julianalderson3938 I've never used chains, I have used dyneema core rope once or twice. The rope allowed me more options for how I wanted to attach the sling to the tree, but it wasn't so superior that I prefer it all the time or anything. I've heard chains are very unfavorable for tree work, but I don't have any experience.
16oz to the pound.
@@bioniclife 😂
I've watched a lot of your videos and it seems that more and more of them you are using the Milwaukee top handle saw. Is it better than the Sthil or just what you have in the truck? I'm looking at buying a top handle saw and would like your opinion.
@craiglange1781 Thanks for your loyal viewership!
I do really like the milwaukee top handle saw. I think it's a nice balance of cost and fuction as far as battery saws are concerned. However, it is not a replacement for gas yet. If I was only allowed to own one top handle saw, I'd choose the 201. It's lighter, more powerful, and has better chain options. None of the electric saws in the market compete with gas power to weight ratio. The benefits of electric saws amount to not have to pull start them and less noise which can but good for crane work or complex rigging scenarios. It's also nice for the camera audio to not have a gas saw roaring away all the time. I don't have any experience with it, but I hear the new husky top handle is a good saw too.
@@zaccheus I like that you climb and talk about what you’re doing. Different notching techniques and rigging. Thank you for the response.
@@craiglange1781 of course! Don't ever hesitate to say something if you want to hear something in particular explained. I'll do my best ot work it into a video
i wanna know how they get the log off the crane and reset for the next one 🤔
I'm sorry I never thought to include that in the video. We had a person on the ground to disconnect the slings from the wood.
what brand of chain do you use on the milwaukee?
@ColeDoornwaard I've only ever used the Oregon chain that comes with it. I don't like it though. I really want to find a full chisel logger style chain to go on it, but there are many chain options in .325" low pro and .043" guage
If y'all are ever in the Manchester, Tennessee area, PLEASE come by and cut my trees !!! Im poor and can't afford to get them down.
@susannahlance4437 Ah I'm sorry tree work is such an expensive service. Tennessee is a long ride from me and I don't expect to be down there any time soon. You may be best served by trying to find a local, independent climber rather than a tree service to get the trees down. Then you can do the clean up yourself and save some money.
What climbing boots do you reccomened?
@@WascallyWabbits I've only ever owned arbpro ev2 boots. They've served me better than any lineman boot. I think I'm 3 years into my current pair. I'll probably need to replace them next season. They're looking a little rough 😅
@@zaccheus I appreciate it! Gonna get some soon…
@WascallyWabbits as I recall, they are definitely the most cost effective too. I think arborwear has a big 20% off sale twice a year. Might be worth trying ti get them when that's going on
What kind of crane do you have here and how high does it reach and what is weight capacity
@ChadBurdine This crane is a 38-ton Altec. It has 127 feet of boom, though we rarely run the boom all the way out to keep the boom more rigid. It's a really good size crane for tree work in the midwest. Larger models can be difficult to get into residential properties. This crane has a functional working radius of 74ft from the center of slew, which seems to work out well enough for working over most houses.
1800 pound
Now I see you're talking close to 3,000 lb well I don't know you said guess 😂
LOL, ya' lazy cheater. 2nd pick you could've climbed up that stem and been waiting on Rick to send the slings to you. JK. You know that. Make full use of that great mechanical advantage, right? Never mentioned it before but I knew once you started using the vee cut for crane picks you'd like it much better. Good stuff as always. And as always, stay safe buddy.
@ClellWise haha, I tried to move around with the crane once or twice on a few jobs and it always bit me in the rear in the end 😂 now I just wait to ride to the next spot.
It does seem to work a little better than the snap cuts. It definitely take more time to make angled cuts rather than bypass cuts, but i think it's work it.
@@zaccheus Of course in the perfect world, operator has just the right amount of pretension so when final part of the cut is made the piece would just move straight up and not rotate or twist or fly at the climber. Not always going to happen that way right. Still that cut just seems better than the snap cut. But what do I know?
@ClellWise of course, of course. The operator can only work with what he can see and the rest is up to me. Rick has tons if crane experience and I have little. Any mis calculations that occur are likely my fault 😅