the gay religious trauma of Good Omens season 2

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  • @Ladyvirgule
    @Ladyvirgule Год назад +23

    FIRST! love from your black trans french girl !🏳‍🌈🏳‍⚧

    • @Ladyvirgule
      @Ladyvirgule Год назад +2

      Oh and a former litteral catholic priest so I know exactly what you mean 👀😅

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +3

      Oh wow.
      Well thank you. 😊
      I thought being an altar server was a lot 🤣

    • @sahahaah427
      @sahahaah427 3 месяца назад

      Every human of all religions commit sins and make mistakes. “Love your enemy” says Jesus. Humans mostly cause evil. God chose to give us free will to not force us to all believe in god. Therefore, humans cause suffering, not god. God loves us. So much!! So do non believers. Projection is mental illness. I’m sorry you have not met loving and kind Christians/catholics, I go to the best church with diversity and love and support. Ask Jesus to give you help, to give you peace, try the Our Father prayer. It healed my depression. I said the our father everyday for about a year and got off my meds.
      He knows if your heart will take the prayer seriously or not. Wait and see how you feel. Close your eyes, meditate or at least pretend that you believe in god, say the Our Father. It’s never too late for Jesus to welcome you. Jesus brings us close to gods 10 commandments and closer to wisdom strength and the truth. If you choose to not believe in Jesus you will send yourself to hell, it’s your choice.

  • @emilymoran9152
    @emilymoran9152 Год назад +43

    This is great. I've also seen it pointed out that the whole thing with Nina's ex and the way she couldn't just suddenly take on a new relationship worked as really good foreshadowing. Because the Heaven of Good Omens is very much like a bad gaslighting partner. Unlike Crowley, Aziraphale hasn't had the "but they can change!" slapped out of him yet (Crowley got a very early and very rude awakening there!). And, like Nina, they both DO need to work through the trauma they've experienced - and the conflicts between them it's been feeding for centuries - before they can really just be happy together.

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +13

      I didn’t even think of that but that makes sense. I mean I thought of heaven as an abusive lover or family but making the connection to Nina didn’t occur to me

  • @ThePrincessCH
    @ThePrincessCH Год назад +83

    I think Crowley also enables Aziraphale at times because he seems so caught up in trying to save him that he stunts his growth. Like when Crowley was about to evacuate the humans, he wouldn't even let Aziraphale make a suggestion or when he came back to help hide Gabriel we never see him bring up the extreme sanctions. And Aziraphale has shown to be capable of shifting his perspective like with the body snatching episode, but Crowley seems to be trying so hard to protect Aziraphale from Heaven's wrath that he encourages his already obstructed tunnel vision on the matter.

  • @antrazitaj5209
    @antrazitaj5209 Год назад +19

    Let's be honest here, Crowley sits the way he does because it's David Tennant. Watch videos of him, he is not able to sit on a chair the way the chair was designed for.

  • @a.c.1839
    @a.c.1839 Год назад +58

    As someone who has religious trauma from a non-christian faith, I actually found the ending to be quite exciting (and heartbreaking, yes, but also exciting).
    To me, Aziraphale and Crowley represent two different ways that unprocessed religious trauma can manifest (i.e. trying to fix a systemic problem with the tools of the system, or running away from the problem altogether), and their unresolved conflict looks to me like it begs for a third solution that can bring them back together and force a radical change within the system itself (or alternatively, tear it down if it comes to it). I think the point from season 1 about the Great Plan vs the Ineffable Plan (and the fact that the two aren't necessarily the same) will come back and play a role in all of this in season 3

    • @sahahaah427
      @sahahaah427 3 месяца назад

      Forgive your trauma from the past. Dont hold onto it. Makes the heart and soul bitter. Let it go, watch it fall down until you are free

  • @cantantenoel
    @cantantenoel Год назад +11

    This season was a gut punch on one level because it captured all my queer religious trauma SO accurately, but on another level I was (and continue to be) overwhelmed by what a beautiful gift it is to see this experience portrayed on TV like this. it makes me feel seen and spoken to in a way that art, even art I love, almost never does.

  • @irregularpearl08
    @irregularpearl08 Год назад +3

    You contextualized a lot of my feelings about this show that I hadn't fully realized until now. I'm a queer person with terrible religious trauma, and now I understand why Crowley resonates with me so much. From my life experience, Crowley is closer to me right now, and Aziraphale is me when I was trying to escape the church. I think the reasons I admire Crowley and Aziraphale are very different.
    The Aziraphale part of me wanted to see the good in everyone, but when I saw "godly" people hurting others so easily, my perceived reality came crashing down and I didn't know what to do with it. The Crowley part of me became disastrously cynical once I confronted reality. But the beautiful thing about Good Omens, I think, is that neither extreme is wholly good. They equal each other out in perpetuity. When one crosses the line, the other balances it.
    The corpse selling epsiode especially resonated with me, because it felt similar to my experience with having my christian intentions rightfully called out as something unintentionally harmful, and that morality is more complicated than my pastor would have had me believe.

  • @apolimeow
    @apolimeow Год назад +25

    I haven't even watched the video yet but I just wanna say some stuff
    LIKE CMON people I know we don't really blame azi but I still saw some comments
    For me it seems not only like religious trauma but also abusive family trauma, whatever you may call it
    You can look at it as Crowley and Aziraphale both coming from different abusive families
    Hell seems more of a neglectful/physically abusive family, Crowley copes by escaping and hiding all his emotions away. He doesn't feel guilt for not caring about them, because they never gave him a reason to care.
    On the other hand, there's Heaven. A controlling and gaslighting family, always trying to make you do things you don't want to, always watching and listening. They aren't openly abusive (no physical abuse, the trial being the only time), which makes it a lot harder for Aziraphale to see that they are, in fact, toxic. He still believes in them, and as a person with a partner who comes from a family like this. I can tell you, they will defend their family with a passion. And it's not their fault that they do.
    And honestly I don't think that Azi should do the apology dance. He was abused from the day he was created, give him a break.
    Wtf did I just type

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +4

      No I totally get what you mean and I was thinking that too. I kind of hinted at that in my video later on

    • @apolimeow
      @apolimeow Год назад

      @@NarcissaDeville oh yeah, I watched the video, completely agree
      (Love the idea of turning it into a series, maybe it could even make me finally read the book XD)
      You got a new subscriber

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад

      Thank you so much! And you def should it's a great book as I recall. But yes I will be making it a series.

    • @emilymoran9152
      @emilymoran9152 Год назад +4

      I mean, to be fair, heaven was ALSO the openly abusive family TO CROWLEY. I mean, he got tossed in a pit of burning sulfur for asking quite reasonable questions.
      So it's hard for him to articulate to Aziraphale what the problem is with Heaven because A) to him, it's SO obvious, and B) he doesn't want Aziraphale to be hurt (initially by getting in trouble and Falling, and later by having to know what how corrupt the people he was working for were and what they really thought of him).
      Actually, it's a little bit like that Adora/Catra moment where Adora is like "the Horde is evil, we should leave" and Catra's like "You just realized that NOW? After watching them treat me horribly our entire childhood?!?"

    • @apolimeow
      @apolimeow Год назад +5

      @@emilymoran9152 tbf aziraphale was with heaven for longer than Crowley too (and still is)
      But my point was not to say that Crowley had it easier (cuz certainly not, and we don't go comparing trauma around here), but that azi's actions were COMPLETELY understandable and that he deserves more love
      (And to tell people to stop blaming him for somebody's sake, I've seen way too many comments)

  • @thefruitbucket789
    @thefruitbucket789 Год назад +14

    would LOVE a chapter by chapter analysis of the book if you wanted to! i really enjoy your takes on good omens

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +3

      Thank you! I've kind of already committed myself to doing so every other week and I'm so excited

  • @fairywingsonroses
    @fairywingsonroses 11 месяцев назад +3

    I think you make some great points. David Tennant definitely does a fantastic job of portraying Crowley as an openly gay/gender non-conforming character, especially in season 2. I don't know if that was done on purpose, but it was so enjoyable to watch. I also think this show does a great job of showing what religious trauma looks like in general. I was raised in an extremely high-demand religion, and I didn't decide I was bi until years after I left, but I still resonated so much with both Crowley and Aziraphale's religious journeys. I also really resonated with your point about religious trauma coming back no matter how far past it you think you've come. My religious experience is more reflective of Crowley's. I rejected my religion entirely at a very young age, but that brought on all kinds of emotional, verbal, and even physical abuse since my parents were NOT going to even entertain the idea of allowing me to leave the religion. I kept getting dragged back into it, much like Crowley does, and I share his anger and frustration as a result. I never had an emotional attachment to the religion, but that hasn't stopped me from having emotional breakdowns when things inevitably come up from time to time (religious trauma really is the unwelcome gift that keeps on giving). However, I also know people like Aziraphale, who are so whole-heartedly invested in it, but they are always second-guessing themselves and feeling guilty for it until they finally have a nervous breakdown and leave (an act that often completely breaks them emotionally). The look on Aziraphale's face when he realizes he has to choose between heaven and Crowley is heart-breaking. I imagine being gay definitely adds that additional layer of trauma knowing it most certainly has to be one or the other. I think the two characters definitely trigger each other's religious trauma. Aziraaphale keeps trying to forgive/save Crowley, which is something he has stated repeatedly that he does not want. Aziraphale doesn't understand why he doesn't want to be saved. Meanwhile, Crowley keeps testing Aziraphale's boundaries and his willingness to break the rules instead of letting him come to his own conclusions/terms on how he wants to address his conflicting beliefs, and then he gets angry and mean when Aziraphale ultimately defends heaven, even in the face of all of the blatantly obvious abuse and lies heaven puts out. I think both characters are so perfect for each other, but also, the ending of season two was reflective of two people who are in a really unhealthy place with both themselves, each other, and their respective faith/values. I'm really curious to see how Neil Gaiman resolves everything. I think it's the resolution we all need right now.

  • @PatriseHenkel
    @PatriseHenkel Год назад +6

    You hit the nail on the head. After my first wave of grief(Crowley) I’ve come back to Aziraphale to understand the nuance of his conflict.. I’ve come to understand he is a world class codependent like me.
    I’ll watch more GO content from you, ESPECIALLY rereading the book.👍💕

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +3

      Ooof the codependency I feel called out lol. But excited to reread the book nonetheless.

  • @heathereasting6884
    @heathereasting6884 Год назад +2

    I found this video incredibly moving because everything you describe is so relatable. It has taken me years to realise how deeply religious trauma as a queer person has affected my life and my view of myself as a person. This analysis is fab and I'm looking forward so much to more of your Good Omens videos!

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +2

      Thank you! It's so real because you think oh I'm not that traumatized... Surely. Right? Right? And then something happens and you're like oh fuck! Lol. It's the worst. Smh.

  • @venusgin7779
    @venusgin7779 Год назад +1

    Something that I found interesting with your talk about how you relate to Aziraphale (younger self) due to religious trauma is how while I had all of that I still was Crowley from start to finish. Like I grew up in an Eastern Orthodox Christian COUNTRY, all my family was on the conservative spectrum, hell wasn’t as prominent of a thing, but damn I started waxing in 6th grade, plucking my eyebrows/waxing my face in 4th (due to bullying), and I was never really inside the closet? Like I have said I liked girls (or rather that I don’t like boys) and thought I’d grow up to be a dad (not a mom) since I was like 5. When I decided to dye my hair, cut it short, not shave my legs, stop being Christian extremely openly, be queeerrrr to the sky and back, my family was outraged (they still are and are hoping I find a good husband, let all of this “rebellion against my nature” go, and have kids). But tbh I was never in the closet, I might’ve not explicitly told my family the labels I was using (I went from bisexual genderfluid over Pansexual pangender to demisexual enby and now I’m aroace agender). All my friends knew I was gay and I did essentially education for all the kids that hung around me in the neighborhood (I had one of them who is bi and used to be a tomboy thank me bc I made it easier for her to start looking into fashion even tho she didn’t know anything and not feel like liking girls was wrong). Like I think it’s partially bc I always lived online at least 45% and in my head the other 55%. So yanno… I asked questions and got cast out of heaven from where I just found myself more and more, and also pull ppl like Aziraphale out if they reached out to me.

  • @aguss272
    @aguss272 Год назад +7

    YESS it took me a while to make the connection with religious trauma too, but when I did, dammn it hit me like a train and I couldn't stop thinking about how Aziraphale was dealing with that guilt all season long, not just in the finale, when he was afraid of not being "good enough" for heaven and thinking he will get cast into hell because of that
    Anyways LOVELY VIDEO I could analyze these characters all day
    I'd really love a video reviewing the book or one about "every gay thing about the book" it sounds like fun!

  • @MarieNuchols
    @MarieNuchols 11 месяцев назад

    Would love to see more GO content in whatever manner that works for you! Love that you addressed the religious trauma, such an important matter.

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  11 месяцев назад

      Thank you so much. I've definitely been making more good Omens content because it would seem I can't help myself 😂

  • @sybariticcupboardrat3763
    @sybariticcupboardrat3763 Год назад +5

    Wooooey, the queer religious trauma allegory was all I could see at the end of ep6. I was part of an open semi-poly lesbian thing in high school 20+ years ago with my now wife and our mutual ex. The ex's parents caught her (or the lying crazy bitch instigated a confrontation), so she was forced to transfer to a christian school, and was isolated for a few months before we got in contact again. And by then, she was parroting the religious indoctrination of that very bigoted church. And she said things like 'I still love you, wait for me' to my future wife while also saying she couldn't be a lesbian anymore. The cognitive dissonance of religious backsliding is a bitch. My wife is only mostly recovered from that and the other mind fucks our ex caused.

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +2

      Ooof that is a lot. Glad you got out of that but also that's very sad. Religious trauma is so real and deep and it's also family trauma too and it's so messed up.

  • @hannahg.8572
    @hannahg.8572 Год назад +5

    Sitting gay - or just scoliosis? ;) It’s both for me

  • @envii.averyy
    @envii.averyy Год назад +4

    as a trans gay teen, who is stuck in the same poistion, like people keep crapping on azriphale and im like no no no, this is good rep.

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +2

      Sometimes it can be almost even more frustrating when we see ourselves in a person because you're like no no no do not do that thing that I might have done at a certain point in time (or even now) because you want to believe that if they CAN make a different decision then maybe anything is possible. I do hate to see Aziraphale get hate for any reason (luckily I don't think I've seen any).

    • @envii.averyy
      @envii.averyy Год назад +1

      @@NarcissaDeville yeah, that's why its very important to see it it from both views, and all the theories are good to (coffee theory and the lie theory)

    • @ryanp6575
      @ryanp6575 Год назад +1

      ​@@envii.averyyI've heard the coffee theory. Whats the lie theory?!? 👀

    • @envii.averyy
      @envii.averyy Год назад +2

      @@ryanp6575 it's the theory that aziraphale truely wanted to go with crowley but lied to crowley and went to heaven becuase he knew that if he didn't and went with crowley instead of meg.(idk how to spell their name) then crowley might get hurt or something, but its probably the coffee theory

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +1

      I'm inclined to believe that myself. The whole book of life threat was built up a lot but didn't end up becoming anything. It feels like there's something we're not seeing.

  • @jenb7756
    @jenb7756 8 месяцев назад

    The tree full of monkeys is my oldest child's favorite quote

  • @nathdominguezmazhari1094
    @nathdominguezmazhari1094 9 месяцев назад

    The book review thing! Yess

  • @loonastrawberry
    @loonastrawberry Год назад +1

    i just find out about your channel and its so so interesting! i would love to see more good omens content (series and book) from gueer person. when i watch your video i feel like im discussing good omens with my friend :З

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад

      Thank you so much! I'm definitely going to end up doing more Good Omens content because I love it!

  • @deleted3285
    @deleted3285 11 месяцев назад

    id stan a channel that talks about lgbt shows while puting on makeup❤❤❤

  • @valkyrieray
    @valkyrieray Год назад

    Fantastic video ! Just subbed ♥ PLEASE re-read the book and make these videos 🥺

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +1

      Way ahead of you. There should be a playlist on my page with my good omens videos which will include the book review. I've done 2 chapters so far.

  • @stockie21
    @stockie21 Год назад +1

    Ohh, I'd love a analysis of the book!

  • @wizardofgaysex
    @wizardofgaysex Год назад +7

    Honestly i feel so much for Aziraphale that i just couldn't stop crying when the finale happend, like fuck man they suck at communicating like aziraphale wanting heaven to be good enough for crowley but Crowley interpreting his words as HIM not being enough like OUGHGH, the both need to have a good talk and be able to forgive each other and grow, talking about more queer shows Our flag means death second season is coming this october and i hope that doesn't fuck me as well 😬😬😬😬, good video girl! Keep it up!!

  • @phyllismartin674
    @phyllismartin674 Год назад +2

    The line God said about Aziraphale being seen as gay.......it is in the show.

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад

      I just rewatched did I seriously miss it?

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад

      Does explain why I could hear it in her voice so clearly lol

    • @spameranne
      @spameranne Год назад

      wait, when?

    • @sassylittleprophet
      @sassylittleprophet Месяц назад

      ​@NarcissaDeville if I remember correctly, God said that people thought three things were true, and God corrected which two were false and let the third statement be (the third statement being that people thought that Aziraphale was gay or "gayer than [something] on nitrus oxide").

  • @beckwells25
    @beckwells25 Год назад +6

    AMAZING video. Catholic religious trauma crew represent ✌️

    • @sahahaah427
      @sahahaah427 3 месяца назад

      Jesus never forgot you and he’s waiting for you to pray to Him

  • @zoestarbuck9892
    @zoestarbuck9892 Год назад +1

    P L E A S E do a book reread reaction!!!!

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +1

      I am! First video is live already

    • @zoestarbuck9892
      @zoestarbuck9892 Год назад

      Oh I’m stupid, I could’ve just checked 😆 also Y A Y
      I still need to read the book, I think I’ll read it along with your analysis

    • @NarcissaDeville
      @NarcissaDeville  Год назад +1

      Not stupid at all! I'm very glad to see more people wanting to read it along with me