Analyzing The Most HATED Archon in Genshin Impact

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  • Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024

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  • @iamsyncx
    @iamsyncx  7 месяцев назад +6

    Any corrections and/or additional info will be added to this comment!

    • @someoneinasia
      @someoneinasia 7 месяцев назад +2

      yes, it's an important additional info.
      a big reason why ppl don't like ei is because they think the vision hunt decree and sakoku decree has happened for 500 years.
      where in truth both decrees were announced only 1 year before traveler's arrival to inazuma.

    • @someoneinasia
      @someoneinasia 7 месяцев назад

      6:40 and the 3 soldiers kazuha killed when he fled from arrest.

  • @0ndljk
    @0ndljk 7 месяцев назад +44

    comments on this video just prove that some of you skip all the dialogue and are straight up allergic to lore cuz the things im reading about her here are INSANE

    • @Skyler-yw3od
      @Skyler-yw3od 7 месяцев назад +11

      I don't remember a lot of the dialogue because my memory is shit, but I agree that most people just don't read anything in the game.

    • @clover.8147
      @clover.8147 7 месяцев назад +4

      No, i read the lore, and still hate her.

    • @lazyvoid7107
      @lazyvoid7107 7 месяцев назад

      Deal with it kid there are better characters

    • @0ndljk
      @0ndljk 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@lazyvoid7107 "deal with it kid"? Very brave words from someone with these cringe ass meme playlists but alr

    • @0ndljk
      @0ndljk 7 месяцев назад

      @@clover.8147 so you dont read the lore lmfao

  • @jeremiahbullfrog226
    @jeremiahbullfrog226 7 месяцев назад +21

    Aesthetically and badassily, she's amazing.
    Politically, and as far as she served her role as a national leader, she's kinda hotdog water. Her philosophy is just foolish and that created a downstream domino effect of how a lot of things that were going bad in Inazuma were directly her fault for either causing or ignoring. You can see flaws in the other archons for being to obsessed with the theme that relates to their godly designation, but Raiden Shogun's obsession with "eternity" created more issues than the other archons have with their own themes. More on that at the end.
    I think that's the point though. The story of Inazuma draws very heavily from the real history of the Meiji Restoration and the events preceding and following. For the briefest of reductive recaps, the US wanted to do country stuff with Japan, but Japan was an isolationist feudal nation where the Emperor was largely stripped of his power, and the Shogun, a glorified warlord, ruled with the samurai class. Japan was basically a bunch of territories with warlords fighting each other. The opening of Japan's nation would result in modernization that threatened to upend the state of the samurai class, and they rebelled to keep Japan closed, even if they were amenable to the Emperor's wish to reunite the country, except the Shogun wanted to be in charge. If you can imagine, the US-backed Emperor defeated the rebellion, Japan was unified, the Emperor became a proper Emperor again, and the samurai class was pretty much abolished as their society and way of life rapidly modernized with the US's help and global trade, and things ultimately turned out pretty well, even if there were some growing pains.
    But in this analogy, Raiden Shogun is Shogun, and Ei is the Japanese Emperor who accepts a foreigner's help in basically fixing the nations issues that came about from the inherent flaws of the Shogun and Ei's own inefficacy, since she would rather meditate in her pocket dimension doing nothing than actually do her job. In the aftermath of the story, the Shogun still exists, but Ei is in control, and she's begun improving. Raiden basically stripped herself of her authority, or rather abandoned it, and left the responsibility to a puppet that she programmed and left to its own devices, and she made some bad choices, and Ei didn't really care.
    To elaborate on the other archons and their flaws:
    -Venti's idea of freedom resulted in a very weak archon who cannot defend his nation, and a nation that operates like an anarchist state that can barely respond to major threats. I like Monstadt, but it doesn't really feel like a nation compared to the other's, which have more active governing bodies.
    -Zhongli's conviction in the sanctity of contracts as the most serious of law is... kinda weird, and sometimes ominous, but not obviously harmful. After all, in principle, a mutual agreement should be honored by all parties. He just takes those agreements deadly seriously, lest they suffer the wrath of the rock.
    -I don't really have any issues with Nahida. She's like the least problematic Archon ever. Maybe it's an invasion of privacy to read people's minds, but her actions as they relate to the accumulation and preservation of collective knowledge are good. It's just that bad people exploited her and abused her power, but that's not really her fault for being unable to defend or free herself from that.
    As you can see, I'm kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel to paint these in a negative light compared to Raiden Shogun, whose policies and behavior was very obviously bad for Inazuma.

  • @robertmelconde8151
    @robertmelconde8151 7 месяцев назад +19

    for now raiden ei is improving. I notice when in inazuma events she is very happy

  • @davidjohnson8273
    @davidjohnson8273 7 месяцев назад +17

    0:36 I thought Makoto says Ei had always had her own view of eternity even before the Cataclysm and Makoto's death?
    0:50 Sasayuri dies fighting Orobashi, not sure if it's during the Archon war though. The rebellion may have come after the end of the Archon war.
    4:31 Ei still gives Wanderer the golden feather, even in the revised timeline. So she remembers the new him if that's what you were asking?
    4:43 Shogun doesn't make those laws; the tri-commission does, and they don't get made 4-500 years ago but only in the last couple of years of the game history. This is a big point you got wrong because it shows that Ei / Shogun have never been of the opinion that Visions need to be taken from people. That law is pushed by the tri-commission under influence by the Fatui. But yes, if Ei / Shogun had felt that way then they would have made the law 4-500 years ago, not two years ago. Similarly we're not told Ei reverses these Decrees and presumably the tri-commission, with two heads of clan replaced, votes to repeal these laws, though not simultaneously.
    5:40 presumably the Sakoku Decree was also implemented at the urging of the Fatui and it's also presumably the main reason for the Civil War since it constitutes a massive power grab by the Kanjou commission over the semi-independent Watatsumi Island, which had a well known issue of having to import food, which it had previously imported from Sumeru, and as a result of the decree now has to buy from the Kanjou commission with obvious results.
    6:17 the left out data was the state of the Civil War which was being falsified by the Tenryou commission to make it seem like the war was going great and it was no big deal instead of it being a huge shit show with an entire island depopulated and people using Delusions. Thus Miko gets Sara to grab a copy of the report to the Shogun and read it knowing that Sara, as the general running the war, will immediately see the falsification and go to the Shogun (which apparently Sara has the right to do) to set the record straight (even at the cost of the life of her adopted father and bringing shame to her family).
    6:29 Several people appear to be better off for losing their Visions, including the NPC in the teahouse who lost his Vision to Ayato before the decree.
    6:34 So it's not clear Ei is unaware of a relationship with Visions. What she says is (correctly) that it's not her choice, and she is not aware of it, and basically has nothing to do with her. Nor is it clear that Ei has anything to do with Electro Visions not appearing. Nor is it clear if Electro Visions are still blocked or not.
    All the stuff about what happens with the Sacred Sakura tree is a whole different topic that ties into the timey-wimey stuff with Irminsul, so it's pretty controversial. having said that now that we've had yet another nation tied up with themes of fate and challenging fate and using Irminsul, perhaps people will get around to reanalysing the Sacred Sakura incident.
    To me it seems like people hate Ei because they had a bad time with Inazuma in general and never understood what the story was about. That in turn is because it was squeezed into a small number of versions and wasn't intended to be understood until years later after the context of Irminsul is explored in Sumeru and Fontaine.

    • @iamsyncx
      @iamsyncx  7 месяцев назад +6

      0:36 Although they had their own opinions, Ei’s view was not as drastic prior to Makoto’s death.
      0:50 The fight against Orobashi was during the Archon War.
      4:43 When I say the Raiden Shogun implemented decrees, I mean she is allowing them to operate and follows as such. The Raiden Shogun also tried to confiscate Thomas vision, so she did play into the Vision Hunt Decree.
      4:31 Ei wouldn’t feel the need to apologize to the new him since there aren’t any known negative consequences of leaving him anymore.
      6:29 There are also many people who were worse off after losing their visions.
      6:34 In Fontaine, it was explained that every archon/throne plays a role in the distribution of visions. This is why the vision bestowed upon Furina by Neuvillette was different, and why his Character Story talks about archons being able to grant visions. Since Ei was unaware of that, it’s likely she’s unaware of other things regarding the vision distribution process.

    • @davidjohnson8273
      @davidjohnson8273 7 месяцев назад +1

      0:36 How do you get that sense? They seemed to be presented as black/white opposites or even pairs ying/yang style. Moreover a close analysis of the Sakura incident suggests that the story says the Sakura tree plan depended on Ei opposing Makoto initially and coming to agree with her later. And that's kinda cool.
      0:50 It's really hard to say for sure so if you have anything more specific that would be good. Some of the stories seem to sort of suggest the Archon war was going on (but close to the end) when Orobashi turns up and others that it was over. Certainly an easy question is did Makoto already have complete control over the rest of Inazuma at the time Orobashi appears? The answer seems to be yes. And if so wouldn't she be Archon? Does she not get a gnosis because fate knows someone will turn up later on? That seems odd. Also is there a bit of a delay before Orobashi goes to war because at least one source suggests initially Orobashi was fine with being a vassal. Based only on the times given it's tricky because they are mostly "thousands of years ago" and the timeline for the gnosis is between 2500 and 2000 years ago, so it's a bit tight but Orobashi could have shown up eg 2200 years ago after Makoto gets the gnosis say 2400 years ago. Another argument for being dutngthe war is the idea that Ei had to kill Kapatcir to get Makoto the gnosis and that comes (seems to come)after orobashi. But I don't think Kapatcir was a god so not a block to Makoto becoming Archon. In general the question is unimportant perhaps except as it helps figure out the basis and ending conditions of the Archon war for other nations.
      oh. have to go before getting to the rest.
      @@iamsyncx

    • @davidjohnson8273
      @davidjohnson8273 7 месяцев назад +3

      4:31 Not sure what you're saying. There aren't any negative consequences either time. Scaramouche is a big boy and can make his own decisions. He can't blame Ei for his own choices. Well, he does, but he can't be taken seriously. It's only Scaramouche that thinks the whole world owes him an apology. He counts a kid dying as a personal betrayal to himself. Of course Ei wouldn't even think of apologizing to him in either samsara.
      6:29 I'm not sure about that. We're given 3 examples by Ayaka which Paimon summarizes as, "A warrior who guards a village, a former samurai who helped carry out the Vision Hunt Decree, and a swordmaster determined to become the best in the world". On the surface level you are supposed to go around and talk to these people about losing their Vision and think it's bad but weirdly in each case you kind of find out it might have been for the best that they lost their Vision. This can hardly be a coincidence can it? So the game is telling us one thing directly but upon a little reflection it is telling us that Ei was correct all along. Now does that mean every possible case would turn out this way? I don't think that's the takeaway here but at the very least it means Ei's opinion is solid. But even Ei herself didn't think Visions were bad (or she would have banned them 500 years ago) she simply says they can be bad, so banning them as a law, is not an automatically stupid idea, and doesn't violate eternity so --- if the tri-commission votes for such a law, Ei does not veto it. Ei's view is balanced here. She sees it neither as a horror not a necessity. Anyway let's remind ourselves of those three examples Ayaka sends us to see:
      (A) Tejima has been waiting for 30 years for a childhood girlfriend who is super obviously never going to meet him. He's wasted his whole life. Or has he? In fact he has grown to care for the village which he still cares for. He's lost his fixation on a goal he can never realize and instead found out what was of real importance in his life. How is this not an improvement in his life? His story is titled "The Meaning of Meaningless Waiting". The title is not saying he has lost anything but gained something by losing his Vision.
      (B) Kurosawa's Vision caused him to want to help the local villagers so much that he went into debt buying food for them all and giving it away. He never even told them the food was a gift from himself and they took it thinking it was from the Shogunate. When his Vision was taken he stopped handing out free food and the villagers accused him of hoarding the dole from the government. His Vision brought him nothing but poverty and debt and those he helped despised him. Again the title of the quest says he's better off without it, "To Treat the Well-Meaning Well". His Vision made him "well-meaning", but it was not "well".
      (C) This one is so obvious it needs no explaining. The guy himself says, "I put everything I had into trying to become the best... but what if it was all a huge mistake, right from the start?" and his quest is titled, "A Swordmaster's Path Is Paved With Broken Blades". His Vision caused him to mess up many people's lives and in the end made pursuit of his goal impossible because the sword technique he tried to master, demands a still mind and his ambitions made his mind the opposite of still.
      6:34 Neuvillette doesn't say Archon's can grant Visions. In fact it confirms they cannot and furthermore they are not even aware of the process going on, still less involved in it with any conscious choice, including choosing in any way who gets a Vision or when or why or of what type. It's true the sponsor "plays a role" but that role is minimal and does not involve them making any choice (just as Ei said) or having any awareness (just as Ei said). What Ei says about ambition is also confirmed. As such I'm puzzled why you think Ei was wrong. What did she get wrong? Neuvillette suggests that he made a choice to sponsor the process but beyond that initial volunteering, it appears to be 100% out of his hands. He says the Archons had to do this but he had a free choice because he isn't Celestia's dog. The Archons might disagree that they were forced. Honestly we already knew almost all of this. The new information is that Visions come from the Gnoses (which derive from the 3rd Descender) instead of some other automated process like "they come from the Irminsul tree" or "they drop from the false sky". Since we know Visions come from Gnoses now, it opens the question, which Visions come from which Gnosis, and it seems that the Visions of a nation come from that nation's Gnosis. Now I've noticed a lot of people are fuzzy on all this especially the stuff at the end, but the stuff that Ei says seems a lot simpler and now comes from two different sources, her and Neuvillette.
      @@iamsyncx

    • @jadecoolness101
      @jadecoolness101 7 месяцев назад +3

      "To me it seems like people hate Ei because they had a bad time with Inazuma in general and never understood what the story was about."
      MMmmmmm no actually it's the fact that she was a mud3rous dictator who oppressed a minority, locked down the country, endorsed a war against her own people, threw a tantrum in her room, and then went "boohoo I was sad, lets read light novels and drink dango milk. Hm? My responsibility? Oh, no, I was sad!"

    • @pixiewixiee
      @pixiewixiee 7 месяцев назад

      @@jadecoolness101 did you even watch the fucking video or are you just media illiterate

  • @reveriesend4668
    @reveriesend4668 7 месяцев назад +7

    it's Sa-ko-ku (written Sakkoku, but mostly read Sakoku. English official tl for the game just use Sakoku)

    • @bloody4558
      @bloody4558 7 месяцев назад

      From what I've seen, he is probably using some form of text-to-speech AI, which explains the errors

    • @reveriesend4668
      @reveriesend4668 7 месяцев назад

      @@bloody4558 he is using text to speech yes, which means it's a typo on his script.

  • @Takatou__Yogiri
    @Takatou__Yogiri 7 месяцев назад +2

    i don't see any problem with what she wanted. she simply was afraid what happened to khanreah could also happen to inazuma. and fatui used this chance to fool her. but i personally think people of tevyat doesn't need protection. they should die. archon protected them for so long. but if a archon do one mistake they go against archon( talking about what happend to furina ). archon shouldn't waste their life on protecting those worthless people. if i were an archon i would travel the world of tevyat and enjoy every kind of things instead of protecting those worthless peice of sh_it.

  • @TimeFrost
    @TimeFrost 7 месяцев назад +3

    Idk if I missed it, but do you mean hated in the community or by the npcs in game?
    She's fine, okay in every aspect, just fine. I also don't like or hate every archon so far. A lot of people like her a lot, which is cool.
    I understand why the in game characters hate her, though it kinda reflects a part of Japan's history, which is pretty cool.

  • @agentepolaris4914
    @agentepolaris4914 6 месяцев назад +2

    All I can say is: THANK YOU!!!!
    I've been explaining all of this to people for a couple years now but they just will not listen, they're always like "booba sword, bad!"

  • @reveriesend4668
    @reveriesend4668 7 месяцев назад +7

    I think the "bigger issue that isn't exactly an issue, but a real quality to Ei" was how people expected her to be some very powerful person. But it turns out she's as useless as the 2 before her (or actually more).
    Personally I find the flawed Ei to be pretty nice, since it sets her up as a character to grow over the years. But yeah Genshin players barely read, let alone reading subtext, so...

  • @UtaminoUta
    @UtaminoUta 7 месяцев назад +1

    And here I am, I dislike her bcs she is too good as dps but her burst animation make my eyes go blind.

  • @Super-Godzilla99
    @Super-Godzilla99 7 месяцев назад +2

    i like her as arcon very much more than anyone else.
    Edit : and as an character i like her even more. She does things this way because she has reasons too she explain too you without hesitation. She is a straigt forward girl. Has no social skills. You get what you see, no behind meaning no playing around with people. If you are a good character she treats you like it, no arogance, no ego no overconfident. She is allways polite and respect people in the first place. She is simply put just the way she is no playing around with others in any way. She is allways improving herself too be better, she knows you can't be a master of something never, you just can work work work too improve yourself all the time without getting arogant, egoistical or overconfident.
    I really like such girls, in reality you will be very lucky too even find one in all your life that are like that. And if you find such a girl you never ever let go of her. Modern woman in this day and age are the exact oposite of her. Of course they would dislike her at all because they can't understand her at all.
    Her character traits are the best you can get, without wanting too much.
    Most of genshins characters are like that. Of course many people today wouldn't understand them. Because most of them are not driven by their Ego, arogance or overconfident mind. They just the way they are.

  • @IADin
    @IADin 7 месяцев назад +13

    Raiden makoto > Raiden ei

    • @coolace710
      @coolace710 7 месяцев назад +10

      in terms of leading inazuma and its people? definitely, but combat wise Ei is superior.

    • @IADin
      @IADin 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@coolace710 precisely. Ei is a war general. Makoto is the wise leader

    • @karma.6239
      @karma.6239 7 месяцев назад +3

      Raiden Makoto = Raiden Ei (i know they are not the same person i mean they're equal to me), they were both completing each other and were a pair Beelzebub and Baal. so none is better than the other

    • @swapannandi8217
      @swapannandi8217 5 месяцев назад

      Bron ei will annihilate his sister@@karma.6239

  • @Zam-RL
    @Zam-RL 7 месяцев назад

    She did a lot of mistakes without bad intentions. But at the end of the story maybe we will understand more about her decisions.

  • @thelostyaksha
    @thelostyaksha 7 месяцев назад +7

    A question has bothered me since we arrived at inazuma. Is Ei actually an archon ? What makes an archon, an archon? Ei just replaced makoto. And she never had the gnosis. And it looks like Ei had no connection with Celestia. So is she ACTUALLY an Archon?

    • @MizukiAk1yama
      @MizukiAk1yama 7 месяцев назад +9

      ei did have the gnosis she just gave it away to miko when she saw scara couldnt hold it

    • @thelostyaksha
      @thelostyaksha 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@MizukiAk1yama yes, I know that so she basically never had it

    • @MizukiAk1yama
      @MizukiAk1yama 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@thelostyaksha well she still had tho

    • @thelostyaksha
      @thelostyaksha 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@MizukiAk1yama kinda

    • @MizukiAk1yama
      @MizukiAk1yama 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@thelostyaksha even if she didnt have it for long she still had it at some point so saying she never had it would just straight up be wrong

  • @jester6789
    @jester6789 7 месяцев назад +3

    I don't like coz i don't like her

  • @kayleighdriessen
    @kayleighdriessen 7 месяцев назад +3

    I can see why Ei's so heavily disliked, though I still prefer her over Nahida and Furina out of the three newer Archons (Venti and Zhongli are the two oldest/older ones of the Archons and they'e still the best ones)

    • @bloody4558
      @bloody4558 7 месяцев назад +2

      I cannot, I can see that people are foolish and incapable of reading though

    • @lazyvoid7107
      @lazyvoid7107 7 месяцев назад

      Nah cry ​@@bloody4558

  • @jian6569
    @jian6569 7 месяцев назад

    Question, do you usa an ai for voice or is this you speaking? Idk but the mispronouncing and the weird way of speaking throws me off. I really hope this is just you and not a shitty ai

  • @Ranjul_kumar
    @Ranjul_kumar 7 месяцев назад

    Not bad person. She just didnt had any real idea of what pupped did to people, till she realised.

  • @jaythekittydragon3525
    @jaythekittydragon3525 7 месяцев назад +4

    i think the worse archon is venti he a dunkard that is so lazy he hasn't done anything at least raiden try to help her people even if wasn't the way

    • @CovertAnime
      @CovertAnime 7 месяцев назад +12

      say you never read the lore without saying you never read the lore...

    • @kuaithe
      @kuaithe 7 месяцев назад +4

      me when i dont read

    • @millie567
      @millie567 7 месяцев назад +2

      So, help from the background/sidelines is no longer considered as help...?