Atem's stuff is very impressive. I love the fact it just "deals" with multiple random sources of video. That heatsinking is a work of art. I hope they've put the same effort into security to stop clones, but with the affordable price as standard that removes a lot of the incentive to copy it.
Bigclive, when you go into more professional types of video production, you will run into problems in which the "just dealing with random sources of video" stops being true. We switched out one of the first rack-mounted ATEM's (4 SDI inputs) with a higher version because something the manual said it could do, actually was something it couldn't (mixing standards of video between HDMI and SDI, you could only use SDI or HDMI, and then there still was an incapability to mix standards. And then there's standards in transmission lengths: We had trouble with a transmitter blocking and showing intermittent green frames, that was on a 50 meter long SDI connection (at 720x576) so well within standards. When we put a Sony tube monitor in between the end of the cable and the transmitter, suddenly all problems were gone... And then there's been our mobile setup after starting a transmission having an input go down for no reason, and we had to powercycle the mixer... Hyperdecks quitting recording upon insertion of a new disk...
7:28 - Protip: Position it on your desk, put a strip of gaff on the front to hold it in place; plug in all your cables, dressing them *straight back* away from it, and then inchworm another piece of gaff across, touching the desk in between every cable. Did an entire 6 month season, didn't move a millimeter.
There's a meetup group in Sydney for digital logic people run by one of the guys at BMD - I've had many a chat with them and by all accounts not a single LUT is wasted in the FPGAs in the Atem.
But his has scrappy and senseless faders and straight from the 80ties effects. And cheaper, too! Except you have to directly toss it into a bin after receiving if from amazon.
@@dh2032 It's the FPGA fabric and its processor interconnects that you're paying for. Otherwise, it's just a run-of-the-mill quad A53 SoC. You can get similar SoCs individually for under $100. I've spent the last couple years writing software to run on one of these chips' bigger brothers (the zcu7ev).
@@dh2032 Not 100% like that. FPGAs are essentially "blank" CPUs that you can "program" to be any sort of processor you specifically need. Once you have written this into the fabric, you run your ACTUAL software ON that. It's pretty funky. The ARM cores are essentially co-processors you get on top of that, and the super fast interfacing since it's all on one die.
Blackmagicdesign is probably the best thing to have happened to the broadcasting industry since the invention of a TV camera. Professional broadcasting and video gear for a fraction of the price compared to other mfrs in the field. Not to mention they're an Aussie company :)
Very smart curving the heatsinks because it breaks up the boundary layer so the cool air impacts the fins, ie, cool air passes down the centre of straight fins insulated by the hot boundary layer. It's why Yamaha specify a 15º forward angle on their air-cooled KT100S engine.
This confirms my suspicion all along, everytime in the past, you are saying "TAGANO" (like you wrote on the sticker) but the actual microscope is TagaRno with an R...
Probably unrealistic to teardown, but you need to take a look at DiGiCo sound mixing consoles. Another thing of beauty when it comes to custom engineering, FPGAs, symmetrical boards etc!
3:10 That is not a switcher, only a remote console that controls a switcher. Their top of the line switchers actually cost "only" 6-10K. They also do a lot more, they essentially have 4 switchers in one and also support 4K or 8K. Your statement about past prices is still true tho.
You got it backwards, those are centrifugal (centripetal) fans, they do blow out the back of the case and suck from the center of the fan which comes from the sides of the case.
Thanks Dave for taking it apart. I got mine this week and was just about to take it completely apart...NOT!. It is a beast. Does get a little warm, but not overly so and can't hear the fan at all.
I had never seen one of these until now. I wish.. I wish I had thought of doing this. This is one of those products that use technology to give us so much more than the sum of the parts. I mean it was inevitable..of course now that I've seen it.. Amazing thing. Awesome. The guys who developed this are set for an easy life after the hard work. And quite right too. Great review and teardown, thanks Dave.
If you consider "for fun" to mean, to make a RUclips video, to make money, to show things of people something they may be interested in, and to produce educational content.
Bulk buying 1000 Trenz Electronic TE0803-04-5DE11-A modules costs $600 - 700 US, so I'd guess you could bulk buy 1000 individual chips for like $300 - 500 US if they were in stock.
I cant believe how old those chips are, the Mali 400 MP2 was used in the Galaxy S2 (2011), the A53 was a first 64bit processor, the low power baby sibling of the A57 (2012). It's insane to me that they can power this mental device.
7:50 the kb plate pictured is from a model M keyboard (1985-present). The kb that was sold with the PC (1981-1984) was completely different. While it did have a big metal plate in it, so did most keyboards from 1981. These IBM PC and XT keyboards actually had two big metal plates inside as well as a thinner metal plate on the back. The plate pictured is from a "second gen"(1987-1992) model M keyboard (likely a 1391401). The plate for the original model M keyboards (1985-88) (most notably 1390120 and 1390131) had a bigger and thicker plate than that one, and weighed 300 grams more.
When I was a kid, there was the Fairlight CVI & I'm thinking that was awesome, but cost a small fortune!. BlackMagic comes out with this & far less cost.....amazing!
Of course you've never seen one that exhausts from the centre, that can't possibly work. Its not possible. Its centrifugal so it sucks from the centre and pushes air out to the side.
I've used Black Magic Decklink cards in multiple PC build for churches with various budgets from the quad 4k to the mini. Each time, I had zero issues going into OBS or Adobe Premiere. I highly recommend then from about 6 different builds.
@@EEVblog This can work if your quantities over your product are guaranteed. There is a value in knowing that the chosen FPGA is the same one with the same basic metrics over a slew of different products you manufacture instead of penny pinching for one device which may prove to be a best seller, or a dud compared to the next smaller device down the line since the 2 different sized video mixers are close in function.
@@BrianHG.Ocean.Fitness Yes indeed. Not saying it didn't factor into it, but at some design point it's going to be a better choice to use say a 2nd $25 different FPGA than the same $250 FPGA just because you already use it. In this case I'm sure they actually needed it though.
@@EEVblog Having a second channel video 'compression' channel, yet some fewer functions means you would be going from a $250 FPGA to a ~$150, not down to a 25$ FPGA. This price drop could only work if the master FPGA could compress 2 simultaneous streams. However, looking at the ram by each FPGA and the fact they need to potentially scale and de-interlace numerous source videos to 'cross-switch' to 2 different end point encoders, based on my past experience with studio video hardware and FPGAs, I would have to say that each FPGA is identical, having all the source video inputs fed to each one in parallel. Your button selection and overlays for each USB/Video output channel output is being handled by each FPGA as each one internally does the mask and overlays of the selected channels. IE, have 2 identical outputs configured, and actually, both FPGAs will be doing the same work twice over. Yes, one would still be a master and the other a slave as well as some simple switching shared bus tricks to spread all your source video channels between the 2 FPGA LVDS receiver channels crossing 2-4 additional switched unprocessed channels between the 2 FPGAs to bridge access to all the source video channels.
@@BrianHG.Ocean.Fitness Yes, that's what I said, in this design they almost certainly needed it. I'm just making the general design example there is would be a point at which is doesn't make sense any more to re-use the same FPGA (or other expensive part) just for volume price advantage.
NDI, OBS and a midi touchpad - can replicate all of that and more. There has never been a better time to be into video! BlackMagic does make awesome kit - I've been a fan of theirs for a long time. Black Magic and NewTek really did push economical video out to the masses.
Yeah. Or maybe their aerodynamics are inverted too. Don't know how planes flies in the south hemisphere by the way. Does they fly upside down, like, keeping flying the same attitude despite the blue side not being up anymore? Or backward, maybe due to turbofans blades working the opposite direction, just like these fans, or like bathroom sinks does once you've crossed the equator? Australia is a strange place, indeed.
@@Damien.D Aussie jets are actually carbon negative - they fly backwards, extracting energy and carbon from the atmosphere and storing it as kerosene in the fuel tanks. It's all very Tenet.
Spectacularly interesting video! I've always wanted one of these. Big thumb straight up. Thanks so much. p.s. Tasmanian Devil is BACK! Good on Australia.
at least their products are finally becoming more reliable; the big joke on many tv/film sets was 1) always bring at least 2 spares, 2) their products were awesome heaters for the winter months (they used to overclock everything). Although i’ve had several meetings with Grant over the years and hez a cool dude.
Those 52 weeks lead time are common now to almost any active component. Those 52 weeks are not even a guarantee. I have quite a few parts for my projects that I'm not sure I will be able to source in time even if I normally have stock for up to a year is still not good enough.
Hello Dave! May I ask, what do you think about why HD-SDI is not being used in consumer electronics? After all, it is much more convenient than HDMI and DVI. Maybe manufacturers have specially made a reserve for themselves for the constant sale of new, more advanced devices in order to make a profit? But have all the new protocols been invented long ago?
That seems very well engineered! I really like those custom heatsinks, they look great. Interesting they went that route for a relatively low volume product. The thick PCB is great as well
And Black Magic Design is also famous for their amazing DaVinci Resolve video editing software. I dropped Adobe for Resolve which does more than Premiere Pro + AfterEffects + Audition + Media Encoder. And it's free!
Multiple JTAGs on the same chain is a headache if you are not building the volume required to justify the investment for boundary scan. This wouldn't be that bad since they are the same processor/manufacturer. but if you have multiple manufactures on the same chain then the vendor supplied dongles either wig out or are a pain to setup correctly.
I work in the events industry in New York City and Australia is killing it in the video industry. Also check out Decimator Design, Aussie based, they make elegant, inexpensive converters and monitoring solutions. Great stuff!
I was told the bloke who owns decimator is obsessed with power efficiency. Squeezes down every last watt. Very proud of decimators being Australian. The MD-HX is the best thing to ever come out of this country. (Excluding wifi)
@@jazzcat123 The MD-HX is a video engineer's swiss army knife! I recently saved a college graduation ceremony with one: They had the parents distanced in the basketball court which had an aging 'Jumbotron' that would not interface with anything but an interlaced broadcast signal. Luckily I was able to whip out the MD-HX and use progressive segmented frame mode and put the 720p60 live stream through the jumbotron so the parents could watch their kids graduate!! All of that done in 1 FPGA and a couple supporting chips. Fuckin' ACE.
I assume the membrane is not in one go because they may have designed it to be modular. Most likely using the same membranes in different sizes/configurations. See the notches on the edges of some of them?
Also injection moulding is a black art, and it only gets harder the larger and more complex the part is. Multiple smaller dies may have been significantly cheaper/had greater yields than one combined one.
Hey! This is awesome! It gave me the confidence to open up mine and see if I can fix it :) I somehow fried the power supply. Any idea where to start and what components I’d need to replace?
Check out Alpha Novatech of Japan, it is quite likely they made the custom heatsink for them. For people still remember the socket 7 and slot 1 days, their stuff is just wonderful.
Are you sure that this is not a prototype unit equipped with larger FPGAs? In my view, the BOM costs don't add up. You can't sell this for 1800$ if the FPGAs cost 500$ each in volume. Often designers run prototypes with bigger FPGAs for debugging and test code and fit a smaller pin-compatible one in series production.
Amazing to see this and was not aware they had FPGA tech going on, wow! I'm going to guess they've got some kind of linux running on the arm side to interface with the custom logic, but who knows, maybe VxWorks? Also wondering if there's a shared PCIe bus between the APUs or what. I know from other channels that these extreme version also add additional number of keyers, DVEs, and 2 media players so you can actually make a complete virtual studio with green screen on these.
I don't understand why you're not using the BM DaVinci Resolve editing software for your videos. The Atem Mini ISO models not only record all your stream, but saves it as a complete project, with pan, camera switching etc. You can then directly open your project in Resolve after recording, and edit/fine tune the entire multicam session. It is incredibly powerful. No worries, if you messed up a transition in the recording, just fix it in post.
Does look like two ATEM minis in a single box so I wonder of that's reflected in the firmware architecture, each processor handles 4 inputs and one of the output hdmi and one of the usb channels, with some inter-processor comms to handle crossover.
Hey nice video! I've got an ATEM Extreme ISO with a failing HDMI port 1. I suspect the TDP158 (same failure as a lot of others have complained about and X-Box as well) chip but don't know how to test before replacing to confirm. Any idea how I can verify that chip is the culprit. I've been through all the usual suspects, cables, the HDMI connector, etc. Any help will be appreciated!
Thinking of getting the smallest one (just atem mini) as I'm struggling to even get 3 cameras reliably working on a laptop.. (3 usb capture sticks ;) )
Beware though that the ISO is needed for high quality capture. The recorded stream output from this is very low bitrate, it's one of the annoying things I've given them feedback on.
Hey so one of the buttons on the Atem Mini Extreme is labeled "Sting". Its towards the top right of the board, in the wide 2x15 array of buttons. It currently doesn't do anything but we are hoping Blackmagic will add support for it later. Can you confirm if and what it is wired to? Thanks!
Already watched it and it's good advice. However I dont think I want to work for a company which doesnt even have a career page on their website. Diligence has got nothing to do with this. And Dave's been rambling about checking out their job openings for like 3 times in the video. So I expect a minimum of a career page on their website. The company doesn't seem to bother.
@@raviteza8 maybe it's for the better then. You don't really sound like the kind of person I would want to work with if you are this sour over something as simple as a missing career page... The point about mentioning the diligence video was that if you don't see a job that you want, you can try and track down the people who might be able to offer one to you - either now or in the future. I've just landed myself a new job purely through contacts, the position was not advertised but by knowing some people I managed to get a little ahead of the game and secure interviews and then an offer. If you don't ask, you don't get. (I am not associated with Blackmagic in any way)
I'm wondering what makes the FPGA's so expensive. Do you pay for the engineering and performance or is the large die size and production yield cost determing?
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Wow I hope they have a stockpile of FPGAs! At my work we are scrambling to get more!
And the FPGAs are the primary reason why this thing costs over AU$1500.
Also each of them has quad-core Cortex-A53 processor.
BMD uses FPGAs in basically all of their products, So I'm sure they do.
@@tfilefan PLUS a dual core real time processor.
@@Manofcube if management insisted on just-in-time, they are thoroughly screwed right now!
Atem's stuff is very impressive. I love the fact it just "deals" with multiple random sources of video. That heatsinking is a work of art. I hope they've put the same effort into security to stop clones, but with the affordable price as standard that removes a lot of the incentive to copy it.
Even less incentive to copy when there is no alternative to the huge FPGAs used.
@@EEVblog The clone version just uses a multiplexer and calls it
Bigclive, when you go into more professional types of video production, you will run into problems in which the "just dealing with random sources of video" stops being true. We switched out one of the first rack-mounted ATEM's (4 SDI inputs) with a higher version because something the manual said it could do, actually was something it couldn't (mixing standards of video between HDMI and SDI, you could only use SDI or HDMI, and then there still was an incapability to mix standards.
And then there's standards in transmission lengths: We had trouble with a transmitter blocking and showing intermittent green frames, that was on a 50 meter long SDI connection (at 720x576) so well within standards.
When we put a Sony tube monitor in between the end of the cable and the transmitter, suddenly all problems were gone...
And then there's been our mobile setup after starting a transmission having an input go down for no reason, and we had to powercycle the mixer...
Hyperdecks quitting recording upon insertion of a new disk...
7:28 - Protip: Position it on your desk, put a strip of gaff on the front to hold it in place; plug in all your cables, dressing them *straight back* away from it, and then inchworm another piece of gaff across, touching the desk in between every cable.
Did an entire 6 month season, didn't move a millimeter.
There's a meetup group in Sydney for digital logic people run by one of the guys at BMD - I've had many a chat with them and by all accounts not a single LUT is wasted in the FPGAs in the Atem.
I heard they had a small design group in Sydney as well.
@@EEVblog indeed, as far as I know the Sydney group just goes hard on doing only the FPGA/Signal processing stuff
They also have an FPGA team in Bristol UK !
@@sayfog Possible AmpHour interview I wonder?
@@EEVblog look for the CadHut group on meetup and the organiser there is who you should contact if you want to give it a shot :)
Techmoan just reviewed the exact opposite of this unit :
ruclips.net/video/-9-DxT_lf7M/видео.html
But his has scrappy and senseless faders and straight from the 80ties effects. And cheaper, too! Except you have to directly toss it into a bin after receiving if from amazon.
That's probably the funniest Techmoan video I've ever seen.
Oh wow, just wow!
@@EEVblog perfect tl;dr for the vid.
The one Techmoan had was way better, it had “Tone sandhi”.
2:20 the "that's not a streaming console, this is a streaming console" moment!
275.00 US in 1000+ (Texas Instruments licenses the ARM IP, as well)
Quite a bit less than that if you have a agreement with Xilinx and are big enough. But you would also be under an NDA.
how about just going to ARM the company?
@@dh2032 It's the FPGA fabric and its processor interconnects that you're paying for. Otherwise, it's just a run-of-the-mill quad A53 SoC. You can get similar SoCs individually for under $100.
I've spent the last couple years writing software to run on one of these chips' bigger brothers (the zcu7ev).
@@JamesPotts thanks, so the magic is in the it's software, not the hardware. :-)
@@dh2032 Not 100% like that. FPGAs are essentially "blank" CPUs that you can "program" to be any sort of processor you specifically need. Once you have written this into the fabric, you run your ACTUAL software ON that. It's pretty funky. The ARM cores are essentially co-processors you get on top of that, and the super fast interfacing since it's all on one die.
Blackmagicdesign is probably the best thing to have happened to the broadcasting industry since the invention of a TV camera. Professional broadcasting and video gear for a fraction of the price compared to other mfrs in the field. Not to mention they're an Aussie company :)
They must have many corporate enemies!
Very smart curving the heatsinks because it breaks up the boundary layer so the cool air impacts the fins, ie, cool air passes down the centre of straight fins insulated by the hot boundary layer. It's why Yamaha specify a 15º forward angle on their air-cooled KT100S engine.
Wow, no "Tone Sandhi" fader? Crap bit of kit, Dave.
Hey, I got that reference! 😃
Is there a ‘Rule Britannia’ button?
This confirms my suspicion all along, everytime in the past, you are saying "TAGANO" (like you wrote on the sticker) but the actual microscope is TagaRno with an R...
exactly the same here
TAGARNO didn't fit. A smaller font would have triggered me.
Aussie english is non-rhotic, so "Tagano" and "Tagarno" are pronounced the same.
SCOPE would fit
Probably unrealistic to teardown, but you need to take a look at DiGiCo sound mixing consoles. Another thing of beauty when it comes to custom engineering, FPGAs, symmetrical boards etc!
3:10 That is not a switcher, only a remote console that controls a switcher. Their top of the line switchers actually cost "only" 6-10K. They also do a lot more, they essentially have 4 switchers in one and also support 4K or 8K. Your statement about past prices is still true tho.
BlackMagic's HR Department : "Let me guess, Dave sent you right"
You got it backwards, those are centrifugal (centripetal) fans, they do blow out the back of the case and suck from the center of the fan which comes from the sides of the case.
Yes, I goofed it.
My God, that thing has to have hundreds of different Star-wipes.
The heatsinks are definitely cool-looking.
Thanks Dave for taking it apart. I got mine this week and was just about to take it completely apart...NOT!. It is a beast. Does get a little warm, but not overly so and can't hear the fan at all.
I had never seen one of these until now. I wish.. I wish I had thought of doing this. This is one of those products that use technology to give us so much more than the sum of the parts. I mean it was inevitable..of course now that I've seen it..
Amazing thing. Awesome. The guys who developed this are set for an easy life after the hard work. And quite right too.
Great review and teardown, thanks Dave.
takes a part a brand new $1,800.00 "toy". For fun.
Wish I could do that. But since I can't, I shall live vicariously. cheers mate.
If you consider "for fun" to mean, to make a RUclips video, to make money, to show things of people something they may be interested in, and to produce educational content.
so the buttons that don't have LEDs, are they led-free?
Get it? I'm here all week.
Ongoing software development is by far the biggest cost factor of such custom systems. Hardware BOM, by comparison, is relatively minor
The NRE must have been incredible.
6:21 - I didn't quite get your point on *castings* . Is it less expensive, but only in high-volume?
I wonder if they'd let you go down and check out their factory, you should hit them up!
IIRC in the last teardown video he said that they are very secret squirrel.
Bulk buying 1000 Trenz Electronic TE0803-04-5DE11-A modules costs $600 - 700 US, so I'd guess you could bulk buy 1000 individual chips for like $300 - 500 US if they were in stock.
I cant believe how old those chips are, the Mali 400 MP2 was used in the Galaxy S2 (2011), the A53 was a first 64bit processor, the low power baby sibling of the A57 (2012). It's insane to me that they can power this mental device.
7:50 the kb plate pictured is from a model M keyboard (1985-present). The kb that was sold with the PC (1981-1984) was completely different. While it did have a big metal plate in it, so did most keyboards from 1981. These IBM PC and XT keyboards actually had two big metal plates inside as well as a thinner metal plate on the back.
The plate pictured is from a "second gen"(1987-1992) model M keyboard (likely a 1391401). The plate for the original model M keyboards (1985-88) (most notably 1390120 and 1390131) had a bigger and thicker plate than that one, and weighed 300 grams more.
5:22 Take air in from the back? How does that work? Looks like those fans are centrifugal, they can only blow outwards.
Lol, I'll take away the effort:
EEVblog: "Yes, I goofed it."
When I was a kid, there was the Fairlight CVI & I'm thinking that was awesome, but cost a small fortune!.
BlackMagic comes out with this & far less cost.....amazing!
I have the Pro ISO and watched with great interest. Thanks for the excellent reveal.
My boss just asked me to don't take apart the one we got. This will suffice for now. Thanks Dave!.
Surely the fans are blowing hot air out of the back?
Yes. 6:30 he said it the wrong way.
These are radial fans!
@@0MoTheG *5:20
I don't think they are, look at the way they are spinning and the shape of the blades
I've never seen a centrifugal fan that exhausts from the center. Is that a thing?
They have different laws of physics in Australia.
@@FrankDrebin 😂
@@FrankDrebin upside-down/ backwards...... meh good enough. Lol
Of course you've never seen one that exhausts from the centre, that can't possibly work. Its not possible. Its centrifugal so it sucks from the centre and pushes air out to the side.
He did say that Black Magic is looking for good engineers.... at 9:20 haha
I've used Black Magic Decklink cards in multiple PC build for churches with various budgets from the quad 4k to the mini. Each time, I had zero issues going into OBS or Adobe Premiere. I highly recommend then from about 6 different builds.
They also decided to use 2 of the same identical FPGA to help with volume purchasing.
But in this case they are still so expensive that if you can get away with a 2nd cheaper one, you'd do it, even if it means an extra BOM item.
@@EEVblog This can work if your quantities over your product are guaranteed. There is a value in knowing that the chosen FPGA is the same one with the same basic metrics over a slew of different products you manufacture instead of penny pinching for one device which may prove to be a best seller, or a dud compared to the next smaller device down the line since the 2 different sized video mixers are close in function.
@@BrianHG.Ocean.Fitness Yes indeed. Not saying it didn't factor into it, but at some design point it's going to be a better choice to use say a 2nd $25 different FPGA than the same $250 FPGA just because you already use it. In this case I'm sure they actually needed it though.
@@EEVblog Having a second channel video 'compression' channel, yet some fewer functions means you would be going from a $250 FPGA to a ~$150, not down to a 25$ FPGA. This price drop could only work if the master FPGA could compress 2 simultaneous streams. However, looking at the ram by each FPGA and the fact they need to potentially scale and de-interlace numerous source videos to 'cross-switch' to 2 different end point encoders, based on my past experience with studio video hardware and FPGAs, I would have to say that each FPGA is identical, having all the source video inputs fed to each one in parallel. Your button selection and overlays for each USB/Video output channel output is being handled by each FPGA as each one internally does the mask and overlays of the selected channels. IE, have 2 identical outputs configured, and actually, both FPGAs will be doing the same work twice over. Yes, one would still be a master and the other a slave as well as some simple switching shared bus tricks to spread all your source video channels between the 2 FPGA LVDS receiver channels crossing 2-4 additional switched unprocessed channels between the 2 FPGAs to bridge access to all the source video channels.
@@BrianHG.Ocean.Fitness Yes, that's what I said, in this design they almost certainly needed it. I'm just making the general design example there is would be a point at which is doesn't make sense any more to re-use the same FPGA (or other expensive part) just for volume price advantage.
NDI, OBS and a midi touchpad - can replicate all of that and more.
There has never been a better time to be into video!
BlackMagic does make awesome kit - I've been a fan of theirs for a long time. Black Magic and NewTek really did push economical video out to the masses.
The reason the pads are smaller like this is it allows more efficient lineing up of pads into a solid square. Save half a cent
Bloody lovely piece of kit, there 😎👍
Must say I wasn't shocked by the price of it, very nice with quality to boot!
Why would they have one big button membrane when they clearly use the same membranes for thier smaller units.
The fans blow out of the back, silly upside-down Aussies.
Took all my strength not to comment that. Now I've commented that. You monster.
Yeah. Or maybe their aerodynamics are inverted too.
Don't know how planes flies in the south hemisphere by the way. Does they fly upside down, like, keeping flying the same attitude despite the blue side not being up anymore? Or backward, maybe due to turbofans blades working the opposite direction, just like these fans, or like bathroom sinks does once you've crossed the equator?
Australia is a strange place, indeed.
hahah i was about to write that;p centrifugal forces work towards the rotation axis in Australia 😂🤣
@@St0RM33 Yeah that's how they keep their feets on the ground there, thanks to Earth rotation.
@@Damien.D Aussie jets are actually carbon negative - they fly backwards, extracting energy and carbon from the atmosphere and storing it as kerosene in the fuel tanks. It's all very Tenet.
Very interesting! Always wondered what was inside.
Im a big fan of black magic, there software is amazing!
With such good software they got my hart, hero's
Im saving my penny's for one of there cams.
YES! I've been wanting this teardown!
I love Blackmagic -- I use tons of their gear here in the States.
Now you have to use it full scale in live, with at least 5 cameras 😅
Spectacularly interesting video! I've always wanted one of these. Big thumb straight up. Thanks so much. p.s. Tasmanian Devil is BACK! Good on Australia.
The ZCU*E_V_ series have extra hardware support for video processing/routing.
Nothing like a good teardown! 👍🏼
at least their products are finally becoming more reliable; the big joke on many tv/film sets was 1) always bring at least 2 spares, 2) their products were awesome heaters for the winter months (they used to overclock everything).
Although i’ve had several meetings with Grant over the years and hez a cool dude.
Notebook manufacturers should take a hint or two about cooling from this unit...
Those 52 weeks lead time are common now to almost any active component. Those 52 weeks are not even a guarantee. I have quite a few parts for my projects that I'm not sure I will be able to source in time even if I normally have stock for up to a year is still not good enough.
Hello Dave! May I ask, what do you think about why HD-SDI is not being used in consumer electronics? After all, it is much more convenient than HDMI and DVI. Maybe manufacturers have specially made a reserve for themselves for the constant sale of new, more advanced devices in order to make a profit? But have all the new protocols been invented long ago?
That seems very well engineered! I really like those custom heatsinks, they look great. Interesting they went that route for a relatively low volume product.
The thick PCB is great as well
They're milled, so "high cost low volume"
And Black Magic Design is also famous for their amazing DaVinci Resolve video editing software. I dropped Adobe for Resolve which does more than Premiere Pro + AfterEffects + Audition + Media Encoder. And it's free!
Multiple JTAGs on the same chain is a headache if you are not building the volume required to justify the investment for boundary scan. This wouldn't be that bad since they are the same processor/manufacturer. but if you have multiple manufactures on the same chain then the vendor supplied dongles either wig out or are a pain to setup correctly.
Roland are doing a few video switchers as well. However BMD have the price right - and their ATEM Mini range is selling like hotcakes!
Roland mixers espeicially the new upcoming v-160 is a compendor
What happened to EEVblog #1397 "DC Voltage and Current Source - Theory?" It was there and suddenly gone...
I work in the events industry in New York City and Australia is killing it in the video industry. Also check out Decimator Design, Aussie based, they make elegant, inexpensive converters and monitoring solutions. Great stuff!
I was told the bloke who owns decimator is obsessed with power efficiency. Squeezes down every last watt.
Very proud of decimators being Australian. The MD-HX is the best thing to ever come out of this country. (Excluding wifi)
@@jazzcat123 The MD-HX is a video engineer's swiss army knife! I recently saved a college graduation ceremony with one:
They had the parents distanced in the basketball court which had an aging 'Jumbotron' that would not interface with anything but an interlaced broadcast signal. Luckily I was able to whip out the MD-HX and use progressive segmented frame mode and put the 720p60 live stream through the jumbotron so the parents could watch their kids graduate!!
All of that done in 1 FPGA and a couple supporting chips. Fuckin' ACE.
In the U.S., it's $1300 at major camera retailer B&H.
I assume the membrane is not in one go because they may have designed it to be modular. Most likely using the same membranes in different sizes/configurations. See the notches on the edges of some of them?
Ah, you might be right.
Also injection moulding is a black art, and it only gets harder the larger and more complex the part is. Multiple smaller dies may have been significantly cheaper/had greater yields than one combined one.
Hey! This is awesome! It gave me the confidence to open up mine and see if I can fix it :) I somehow fried the power supply. Any idea where to start and what components I’d need to replace?
I worked at a place that built similar products with fewer features, lots of problems, and costs a lot more money!
Can you give me a name? ;-)
Check out Alpha Novatech of Japan, it is quite likely they made the custom heatsink for them.
For people still remember the socket 7 and slot 1 days, their stuff is just wonderful.
Blower fans usually work the other way around, but on the other hand it's an Australian unit.
Are you sure that this is not a prototype unit equipped with larger FPGAs? In my view, the BOM costs don't add up. You can't sell this for 1800$ if the FPGAs cost 500$ each in volume. Often designers run prototypes with bigger FPGAs for debugging and test code and fit a smaller pin-compatible one in series production.
Amazing to see this and was not aware they had FPGA tech going on, wow! I'm going to guess they've got some kind of linux running on the arm side to interface with the custom logic, but who knows, maybe VxWorks? Also wondering if there's a shared PCIe bus between the APUs or what. I know from other channels that these extreme version also add additional number of keyers, DVEs, and 2 media players so you can actually make a complete virtual studio with green screen on these.
I'm aways impressed at how cheap Black Magic Design stuff is considering what it does.
Looks like electrolytic capacitors in the signal path of the MIC inputs. Any chance there are C0G (NPO) ceramic bypasses on them?
I don't understand why you're not using the BM DaVinci Resolve editing software for your videos. The Atem Mini ISO models not only record all your stream, but saves it as a complete project, with pan, camera switching etc.
You can then directly open your project in Resolve after recording, and edit/fine tune the entire multicam session. It is incredibly powerful. No worries, if you messed up a transition in the recording, just fix it in post.
Has anyone ever wondered why Dave always points out fins are oriented in the right direction (as if it was such a rare event)?
best video I totally didn't know I was waiting for !
what a nice surprise !
Having just finished refurbishing the keyboard from my dad's original IBM PC I can confirm the thing weighs a ton (2.7kg to be precise)
Does look like two ATEM minis in a single box so I wonder of that's reflected in the firmware architecture, each processor handles 4 inputs and one of the output hdmi and one of the usb channels, with some inter-processor comms to handle crossover.
Yeah, would be interestign to know exactly.
The cooling system is fan-tastic.
I'll just show myself out.
Pretty cool, never knew these even existed...
Why are the FPGA's QR codes different? Hummm...
Hey nice video! I've got an ATEM Extreme ISO with a failing HDMI port 1. I suspect the TDP158 (same failure as a lot of others have complained about and X-Box as well) chip but don't know how to test before replacing to confirm. Any idea how I can verify that chip is the culprit. I've been through all the usual suspects, cables, the HDMI connector, etc. Any help will be appreciated!
A lot of unpopulated locations as well. I wonder what those two unpopulated connectors at the front of the logic board are for?
Mostly debug stuff, like UART, JTAG etc. Possibly some provisions for putting a bootloader there as well
I wonder if the non ISO models have the same hardware and just functions not enabled in the software.
cable clutter must be awful. Why not have a wireless(?) control/keyboard unit while the cable mess and possible fan noise is hidden somewhere else?
Any idea how to add a audio out jack to the ATEM MINI PRO?
Thinking of getting the smallest one (just atem mini) as I'm struggling to even get 3 cameras reliably working on a laptop.. (3 usb capture sticks ;) )
Beware though that the ISO is needed for high quality capture. The recorded stream output from this is very low bitrate, it's one of the annoying things I've given them feedback on.
You got the airflow direction wrong. Radial Fans blow outwards.
Yes, I goofed it.
Hey so one of the buttons on the Atem Mini Extreme is labeled "Sting". Its towards the top right of the board, in the wide 2x15 array of buttons. It currently doesn't do anything but we are hoping Blackmagic will add support for it later. Can you confirm if and what it is wired to? Thanks!
Is that a working unit?
i need help i think i pluged the wrong audio cable into my extreme mic in and now i dont have audio in or out please advise
Anyone found those so many job opportunities Dave's talking about at the "missing" career page on Blackmagic's website?
Watch his video on diligence etc
Already watched it and it's good advice. However I dont think I want to work for a company which doesnt even have a career page on their website. Diligence has got nothing to do with this. And Dave's been rambling about checking out their job openings for like 3 times in the video. So I expect a minimum of a career page on their website. The company doesn't seem to bother.
@@raviteza8 maybe it's for the better then. You don't really sound like the kind of person I would want to work with if you are this sour over something as simple as a missing career page...
The point about mentioning the diligence video was that if you don't see a job that you want, you can try and track down the people who might be able to offer one to you - either now or in the future.
I've just landed myself a new job purely through contacts, the position was not advertised but by knowing some people I managed to get a little ahead of the game and secure interviews and then an offer.
If you don't ask, you don't get.
(I am not associated with Blackmagic in any way)
5:47 These fans don’t SUCK, they BLOW! That’s why they’re called blowers.
Eu precisava ver este vídeo! Grato!
Wow! Using two different HDMI chip. It looks like they really now what they are doing there
This may be an odd question. Can you edit video with it?
The PCB must be quite expensive too...
Can you fix the HDMI out 1 port? It juss stopped working
I blew my atem mini extreme, no input and output audio on hdmi, audio ports and headphone. please advise
is the one that $295 good for just 1 pc for live streaming vs the 1200$ model
Nice job they did... thanks for the look-see🙋
I'm wondering what makes the FPGA's so expensive. Do you pay for the engineering and performance or is the large die size and production yield cost determing?
What's up with U47?