The reason why there are so many AOE/TLK 3p toys is because those movies were MASSIVE in china, which is where most 3p companies were based. It's like how MMC, which I believe is based in Canada, does mostly IDW stuff, because that's what's popular where they're based.
Apparently the timestamp for the transformation in the video is wrong. It's actually 17:36. Sorry about that. Also the smokestacks extend, but they're way too tight on my copy so I had no idea. Ah well. Not my problem. Probably will be out of my house next week. BYE!
Doc im sorry about everything youve been through this year. In a year of absolute piss, your vids have been a nice reprieve from the violence and civil unrest. Thank you.
“Sure it has faux parts” faux parts are something I don’t understand the hatred for, like I get the want for vehicle mode parts in robot mode to actually be the same parts in vehicle mode, but sometimes the robot character designs and proportions of the robot mode make the real vehicle mode parts be at least slightly off, especially the more stylized the design. Although this is just my take, to each their own.
This figure is really a damn shame for me. As someone who grew up with the bay films and the 2009 Leader Optimus, Thunder Leader was the OP of my dreams. I’m not even bothered by the masochistically complex transformation, as I enjoy a challenge. And hell, I’ll even put up with shitty plastic if I have to. But mix the two together and it’s a recipe for disaster and disappointment. Even then, for sheer nostalgia value alone, he might have been worth the original price tag. The aftermarket prices though? Absolutely fucking not. $300-500 USD is way too much for this bastard.
I got him to go with Unique Toys Dragoon and man it makes me wish Unique Toys gave the 2007 design a shot after Galvatron after the black magic they pulled with Optimus, Megatron, and Galvatron. Not to mention, their plastic feels far more durable than Thunder Leader. I wanted to enjoy this figure, but after the clear windows and stupidly brittle rear fended, I have not transformed him since
In theory, getting the arms and chest lined up when going to truck mode can go to hell since I always feel like he's going to break. The original is still great, and I love the truck to robot Transformation. However, I hate going from robot to truck
im sorry you had such a bad experience with this figure. idk how else to put it other than i had none of the issues you had (besides the front grill not fully tabbing in in truck mode). My copy is super solid and feels miles better than the original. Btw the smoke stacks do extent but im pretty sure people have mentioned that before
To be fair, some of the figures that Weijiang released are just upscaled versions of preexisting figures with new parts added in, so they sort of had it coming. Other 3rd party companies used entirely new molds, so aside from the designs, they have a lot more wiggle room to avoid legal trouble.
Hey Doctor Lockdown, I think the Legendary Toys KO is more sturdy and less self-destructive. That's why EmGo got that version for both Optimus and Megatron.
Everybody has they're own opinion and we should all respect that. This is not trolling, this is a honest review of a frustrating broken mess of a figure.
@@MaxCanonStunner *anyone who doesn't have opinions that agree with mine is Le Troll because my opinions are the only ones that are allowed exist! You are morally, objectively and subjectively wrong if you disagree about the quality of a bootleg toy I likely don't even own!*
@@DrLockdown I really like your reviews btw, in a sea of rose tinted and nostalgia fueled positivity, it helps a great deal to hear honest critisim. It helps a great deal more, for potential purchases, to be more aware of the negatives so a buyer knows when they are signing up for.
coming back to this video makes me so sad to see how close we were to a perfect movie Optimus, paint, sculpt and transformation are insane, but the bumper feet, fiddlyness, breakage and that CHEST ruin it all so much, but the legs, arms, back and truck are just perfect
Such a shame you got a weak version. Had mine about a year now and still sits pride of place on my shelf. Yes I transform him regularly without problems. Find it strange you don’t transform the guns as they are so cool. I do agree the hood needs a bit of massaging to make it all sit tight and right but gets easier the more it’s done. On the inside of the back panels where the stacks are there is a dark grey peg that slots into the top of shoulder area on each side that holds the back in nice.
Yea. This video just justifies my opinion on the ko mpm line, just buy the repaints, wei jiang and black mamba ALWAYS add extra steps to the transformation that hurt the figure unless it's a ko upscaled studio series figure that needed the extra steps to fix the back, depending on the figure of course.
@@MaxCanonStunner Shrek and grommit mug in unison: the Armenian gener-slide was not justified. They were not communists- Patrick Star: expect this justifies *everything.*
I really wanted to get this figure, but now I'm glad I didn't get it. Still like the changes they made, but I'll be happy with my Black Mamba DOTM LS03F Prime. (By the time I'm typing this, my order for LS03F is coming for Christmas)
I just got one of those in December. The transformation is a bit different that thunder leader. It's different enough though, that I would call it enjoyable. This black apple version doesn't look enjoyable, especially the upper body part. And imo the back pack on bmb ls03f is miles better, both in ease of transformation and in looks.
@@joryuuken Update. My left shoulder pad broke off, but I was able to tape it and it can still transform. So I don't regret getting it, but now I'm wondering if I should have gotten Legendary Toys Prime instead. (Also, there's a KO of Thunder Leader coming out later this year, so hopefully it's better than the OG)
@@_V.Va_ Well besides a tiny shoulder piece that broke off during shipping, it has been durable af. So if I were to say between that and Thunder Leader, LS03F is worth it. But like Dr. Lockdown said, if you want a toy that you will transform constantly, then the 2nd Leader mold of Optimus is it. If you want something that looks dynamic in poses, but you might not transform as often, then LS03F is what you want. But I do plan on doing a review on my channel in the future.
I disagree with almost everything you said. The soles of the feet shouldn't be chrome, though. Subscribed because it's nice to hear different opinions of things. Plus, I like the 3DS.
11:07 DrLockdown: "First things we want to do is gently move the smoke stacks out of the way..." Me: Yeah no, that's a big mistake, you need to start with the side panels first to open up so it clears out some space, disconnect the gas tanks aka the guns and then untab the smoke stacks. Yes I know you've already sold off this figure, but need to get that off of my chest. But still a good video anyways and get your pain.
I don't have him anymore since i recently prefer the g1 aesthetic now but I feel like he is the best bayverse OP figure ever, if they ever figure out how to make the abs less sticking out, it will be THE definitive version imo and imo just adding a slider somewhere to tuck in the abs will fix it, kind of like how they did the arms
with Hasbro cracking down on third parties I honestly hope they don't shut Toy World, Im honestly looking forward to their Grinder, their version of bumblebee Shatter
I’m worried about MMC. Idgaf if the other companies shut down tbh. I’ll miss MakeToys a lot, Unique Toys is already out the door... but MMC is my favorite
Not much Vance of getting him new now the factory was raided. Price they are going for now can be up to £1000 so glad I got mine when I did. eBay and luck is what you need now
@@MaxCanonStunner the chest fenders look oversized and are also very flimsy, the head is also very small for the body but the legs and arms and back look more clean but they are still very flimsy
You really opened my eyes, Doc. There was a time I thought Thunder Leader was an amazing looking upgrade from the ROTF and MPM molds. But now, after I've seen the figure itself up close and personal and witnessing you having to endure through it... _yeesh._ I was hilariously wrong. This thing *SUCKS.* Thank Primus I'm not a third party/masterpiece collector.
Lol this guy have a weak copy. So you were right because this toy IS still amazing. Stop trolling. Edit: I'll stop trolling when you fix your damn brain by not replying to me, kiddo:)
$150 could buy you: One Wei Jiang Thunder Leader *_OR_* Approximately 32 packets of Red Rock Deli Lime & Black Pepper potato chips from Woolies. I'd take the chips.
Dr lockdown after seeing this video while i did disagree at first with that reveal the shield prime (did meant the mold degradation itself which is why it sucks since the original one and its repaits and slight remolds are better than that) i can see why you hate this figure and i agree. Even the oversized one sucks as it looks wonky and the chest is fixed but is pretty boney. To put creativity on the line i would've put a good spine on this to make it as screen accurate as possible, better plastic WHICH THIS STINKING THING DOESN'T HAVE, less overly complicated transformation, fun to handle like the first two leader class and articulation similiar to SS32
Oh i think I had this when I was a kid i screwed it up big time i can't even figure out how to change him back into vehicle mode soo i just left him there in robot mode i think some of his parts kind broke off or went missing somewhere i couldn't find them and gave up
Ok I'm back after a while, I agree and I am kind of glad I didn't dump out a whole check on this bastard. Much prefer BMB's Primes. Disagree if you wish, but I didn't spend over $100 on em so I can't complain.
I actually have the mpm mold and it’s actually not bad there’s just some design elements that lower it a bit . Like the feet are relatively the same from the 2009 design but the hands are just too small in my opinion and also my has a defect where the piece is reversed from the correctly formed position making it Impossible for the front to be completely flush but I still love the figure for what it is.
@@DrLockdown I prematurely typed this and saw you said it was the alien attack firage. Do you not have a video on that cause I didn't find anything on your channel
Oi doc, I know this is an old video but if you could help with my question it mean a lot, does robotoyz ship to the u.s? I’m thinking of ordering an Optimus but I’m not sure if they can ship to the u.s.
I think aranobilis98s LEGO optimus prime looks way better than this, which is sad considering this figures price, Not to say the lego figure is bad, i think its fantastic
Thank you for making this video, I was seriously considering this figure especially with how happy I am with my wj mpp10 figure. But now I know it’s definitely a safer bet to go with the black mamba offering
@@naapurihei lol better question. How is this hell to transform and breaks when you transform it peacefully and be careful with the parts? Because you aren't patient and mess with it like a Barby doll. That's why it would break. Same would go with rotf leader prime if you mess with it properly. It looks very accurate to the movie, the articulations are amazing, the truck looks perfect, the joints are tight, the transformation works if you're patient, etc. It's really laughable how you people take this review so serious lol
There _is_ actually a 3P Bay trilogy Optimus coming out (or has already come out by the time of this comment, Im honestly not 100% sure-) in the _Legends_ scale, by BaiLan Toys, their BLT sandwich 01 _"Roadmaster"_ and it's actually pretty impressive for it's size. Far from perfect, obviously, but not a _bad_ showing for the only 3P Bay trilogy Optimus so far
@@DrLockdown bit later than we'd have liked, but it's something ;w; _to be fair, I think it took around the same time for us to finally get A MP-style triple changing Shatter, and eventually a Dropkick-_
In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't get this guy in the end. He's just too overboard and overly complicated for his own good. And that's saying something from me, who likes both MPM-4 and MP44, despite their complexities and resultant shortcomings.
Honestly my custom rotf leader optimus prime is better than this with the rubber smokestacks replaced with a metal straw cut to fit and being chromed out
Do you have any other dialogue options? I mean I understand that god had a budget when designing the universe but would’ve killed him to give npcs more than three different lines?
Thanks for this review! saw him going for 130-140 ish but in the end I skipped. This looks way too over-engineered for me. I wanted a kind of centerpiece for my collection and I ended up getting a ko of MPM4 for about 60 bucks. (Every version of the Rotf leader I saw went for insane prices Jesus-) In the end I’m happy with what I got, figure is sturdy and it has issues but in the end I find the transformation pretty fun (outside of some tabbing issues on the front but once you do it a few times it all resolved itself) Like you said with the Rotf leader, it’s right on the edge of being too complicated but is still very fun. For me at least. Ko is XP-14 btw. Such a shame they went so far into accuracy they ruined the entire thing… I’ll never get it but I’m curious how the MM version will turn out, especially considering they’re literally ripping off 3-A Cheers❤!
@@DrLockdown btw your supposed to extend the smokestacks buy pulling them up plus theres a tab behind the smokestacks to plug the back and locks everything
I disagree in the materials department, I think they are fine, but you are right about that transformation, never liked the rotf leader prime conversion, and this figure just makes it worst, and it is uglier then that leader class figure
From the front at least yes. The back is infinitely superior tho and the entire robot is more compact. The ROTF design left the entire truck hanging from the back. Still unbelievable that a figure about a decade older and on mainline budget for most people is better than a "masterpiece" and even an upgrade of said masterpiece.
Clear plastic ON THE GRILL!??? How does that work!??? Although I’m still gonna buy this figure but weijiang has to know clear parts are weak as hell. (I know weijiang has shut down already but still)
Everything sounds better at 0.25 speed, especially when reading all this cringe binge of a comment storm that is created by the guy calling everything one a troll because they have a opinion he doesn't agree with it.
They Can not Just Shutdown every 3P Company! For Example: You want a Good G1 Optimus Prime: Magicsquare Light Of Freedom: *Chefs Kiss* MP 44: Utter Fucking Garbage ! If Hasbro AND Takara want theese Companys To Stop, THEN THEY SHOULD MAKE THEIR GARBAGE BETTER !!! Jesus i did not mean to go on A Full 360 Rant here…
Me personally don't find the transformation of mpm04 and this ko difficult or time consuming in the slightest but just because I think like that does not mean it is fact and I know it
MPM I agree with. They're using antiquated engineering and cutting too much back to truly fit into the 'masterpiece' category. I've seen some of the Unique Toys 3P MPMs though, and they look truly magnificent. Toyworld Freedom Leader too; he's legendary.
@@MaxCanonStunner everyone in the multiverse who disagrees with your opinions is a troll because there couldn't possibly exist opinions opposite of yours even if there completely mundane!
This is probably why I'm gonna try and get the buster prime or even the ko, it's honestly a better mpm4 or Thunder leader and has a way more simpler transformation
@@DrLockdown exactly, I give credit to the mpm version for having the chest lights the actual lights of the truck mode and not the faux ones on the rotf mold but that's about it
honestly I'm surprised that Weijiang wasn't shut down sooner I mean just think about it, they are a company who steals Hasbro's figures makes a few changes and than sells them for profit they were profiting off what isn't there's and having no shame in doing so I hate to be the buzzkill but I honestly think that Weijiang had it coming I understand that Weijiang means a lot to you and I understand that they helped get you back into transformers and I wish I could say that they were innocent and didn’t deserve to be shut down but since I am strictly opposed to knock offs and see them as a scummy practice I just can’t
The same could be said about all 3P companies. IP theft is IP theft. The only reason it's around is because of Hasbro's negligence. And this is coming from a guy who loves 3P and KOs.
@@DrLockdown there is a difference however third party figures despite being styled after Hasbro's characters are still original figures that are designed from the ground up Wei jiang and other knockoff companies however bluntly steal Hasbro's figures maybe change minor aspects as well as the materials used and plainly profit off what's not theirs
@@DrLockdown yeah it might be best that third parties try making figures that bare no resemblance to Hasbro’s characters since that would mean that Hasbro would not have to shut them down to keep any trademarks
The reason why there are so many AOE/TLK 3p toys is because those movies were MASSIVE in china, which is where most 3p companies were based. It's like how MMC, which I believe is based in Canada, does mostly IDW stuff, because that's what's popular where they're based.
You'd think the original three movies would be massive too though.
@@DrLockdown that's true
Well tlk wasn't that big, compared to AOE and dotm
@@MassHystarix I wonder why AOE is so big in China?
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@@leviticusprime4904 *M I L K*
What I don't understand is how the torso is WIDER than the 2009 leader, when this figure doesn't have a bunch of electronics in it like the leader
I KNOW RIGHT! HOW?!
Apparently the timestamp for the transformation in the video is wrong. It's actually 17:36. Sorry about that.
Also the smokestacks extend, but they're way too tight on my copy so I had no idea.
Ah well. Not my problem. Probably will be out of my house next week. BYE!
welp gotta say as a beyblading channel that last phrase "toys aren´t toys, they are stories" hits hard. cant wait to see what else you got keep it up
Always wanted him, but was sold out..
Same
Gee I wonder why...
@@DrLockdown he just looks good
But I guess its quality over looks
Oh Snap! Trans Theories!!!! ^U^
Look on ebay
Doc im sorry about everything youve been through this year. In a year of absolute piss, your vids have been a nice reprieve from the violence and civil unrest. Thank you.
Thank YOU.
“Sure it has faux parts” faux parts are something I don’t understand the hatred for, like I get the want for vehicle mode parts in robot mode to actually be the same parts in vehicle mode, but sometimes the robot character designs and proportions of the robot mode make the real vehicle mode parts be at least slightly off, especially the more stylized the design. Although this is just my take, to each their own.
I don't get the hate either. I just bring it up because a lot of my audience has commented on how it 'ruins designs' for some reason
It's heartbreaking to know that your copy completely fucked itself over 😢 I have no problems with mine, but I understand your criticisms!
This figure is really a damn shame for me. As someone who grew up with the bay films and the 2009 Leader Optimus, Thunder Leader was the OP of my dreams.
I’m not even bothered by the masochistically complex transformation, as I enjoy a challenge. And hell, I’ll even put up with shitty plastic if I have to. But mix the two together and it’s a recipe for disaster and disappointment. Even then, for sheer nostalgia value alone, he might have been worth the original price tag.
The aftermarket prices though? Absolutely fucking not. $300-500 USD is way too much for this bastard.
🧢
I got him to go with Unique Toys Dragoon and man it makes me wish Unique Toys gave the 2007 design a shot after Galvatron after the black magic they pulled with Optimus, Megatron, and Galvatron. Not to mention, their plastic feels far more durable than Thunder Leader.
I wanted to enjoy this figure, but after the clear windows and stupidly brittle rear fended, I have not transformed him since
I'm never transforming him again. I believe I'll have some cash in my account for him soon instead
Also I don't understand the complaints about the supposed complexity of ROTF '09 Leader. Shit's easy af.
In theory, getting the arms and chest lined up when going to truck mode can go to hell since I always feel like he's going to break. The original is still great, and I love the truck to robot Transformation. However, I hate going from robot to truck
It only took 6 extra years but now they're finally doing animated in legacy!
Shame it was after Derrick's passing, but good to finally see
I LOVE THAT TRANSITION NGL THAT'S AWESOME.
MY ENGINEER SIDE IS FREAKING OUT THAT'S AMAZING, IDC HOW FIDDLY IT MAY LOOK THIS IS AMAZING...
Fyi I can transform mp36 with out instructions in like 5 minutes
@@mikathomo391 someone could transform rotf mixmaster without instructions but that doesn't mean it has a good transformation.
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 but I think they do have good transformations tho ÚwÙ
@@mikathomo391 same, but I think we are in the minority lol
The part over the windshield is called a bowtie visor don't ask me why
Thank you kindly. That's half the battle.
@@DrLockdown glad I could help and love your vids keep up the good work
@@DrLockdown the other half is red and blue lasers; wait, wrong franchise.
Why?
COOOBRAAAAA!!!!
im sorry you had such a bad experience with this figure. idk how else to put it other than i had none of the issues you had (besides the front grill not fully tabbing in in truck mode). My copy is super solid and feels miles better than the original. Btw the smoke stacks do extent but im pretty sure people have mentioned that before
2 years and 34 likes and no comment? Lemme fix that lad
To be fair, some of the figures that Weijiang released are just upscaled versions of preexisting figures with new parts added in, so they sort of had it coming. Other 3rd party companies used entirely new molds, so aside from the designs, they have a lot more wiggle room to avoid legal trouble.
Hey Doctor Lockdown, I think the Legendary Toys KO is more sturdy and less self-destructive. That's why EmGo got that version for both Optimus and Megatron.
That may be so, but the base mould itself is still an issue. Far as I'm concerned, I don't want to touch any version again.
It already did
Still better than this garbage
Everybody has they're own opinion and we should all respect that. This is not trolling, this is a honest review of a frustrating broken mess of a figure.
Exactly
No lol
@@MaxCanonStunner yes lol
@@matrixpictures7799 nope.
@@MaxCanonStunner *anyone who doesn't have opinions that agree with mine is Le Troll because my opinions are the only ones that are allowed exist! You are morally, objectively and subjectively wrong if you disagree about the quality of a bootleg toy I likely don't even own!*
Chromed clear plastic on the base of the feet?
You'd think that would have been a perfect opportunity to just use unpainted die-cast.
Apparently not. I never knew Weijiang could be this idiotic
@@DrLockdown they would have been better off heavily modifying the original rotf version, simpler, but more dynamic.
Pretty much. This whole thing is a disaster
@@DrLockdown I really like your reviews btw, in a sea of rose tinted and nostalgia fueled positivity, it helps a great deal to hear honest critisim.
It helps a great deal more, for potential purchases, to be more aware of the negatives so a buyer knows when they are signing up for.
Thanks mate. I don't particularly try to be negative on every video. Just depends on the figure
coming back to this video makes me so sad to see how close we were to a perfect movie Optimus, paint, sculpt and transformation are insane, but the bumper feet, fiddlyness, breakage and that CHEST ruin it all so much, but the legs, arms, back and truck are just perfect
Someone will do a proper version one day. Just have to have patience
@@DrLockdown yes I know, just crazy to see it was so almost there and they failed 😂
I absolutely love this figure, hopefully you had a decent time with him too
...oh boy...
@@DrLockdown "Yeesh"
@@DrLockdown oh, also you CAN extend the smokestacks, you just gotta be a bit rough with them on the first go. They’re jammed in there out of the box.
I updated the pinned comment after the discord message.
Such a shame you got a weak version. Had mine about a year now and still sits pride of place on my shelf. Yes I transform him regularly without problems. Find it strange you don’t transform the guns as they are so cool. I do agree the hood needs a bit of massaging to make it all sit tight and right but gets easier the more it’s done. On the inside of the back panels where the stacks are there is a dark grey peg that slots into the top of shoulder area on each side that holds the back in nice.
The guy who bought this managed to figure this out, but we both agreed it was a stupid conversion.
"This is the worst transformation!".
*Deluxe Galvatron has entered the chat.*
Bold forms gladius would like to know your location.
@@mineturtledabrave3796 Fans Toys Rouge
Zeta Superitron Mini rises from the depths of hell.
Yea. This video just justifies my opinion on the ko mpm line, just buy the repaints, wei jiang and black mamba ALWAYS add extra steps to the transformation that hurt the figure unless it's a ko upscaled studio series figure that needed the extra steps to fix the back, depending on the figure of course.
Except this justifies anything.
Edit: unlike commenting two years later and get mad doesn't justify these kids :)
@@MaxCanonStunner
Shrek and grommit mug in unison: the Armenian gener-slide was not justified. They were not communists-
Patrick Star: expect this justifies *everything.*
@@MaxCanonStunnerJust like how your opinion doesn't justify your shitty behavior :)
This figure is like the Writing for RWBY post volume 3, Rushed, Incohesive and a Complete Fucking Mess
Volume five was okay, but everything after that. . . Yeah, absolute garbage fire.
@@mineturtledabrave3796 mhm
after watching this, it opened my eyes to not get this figure afterall XD
I really wanted to get this figure, but now I'm glad I didn't get it. Still like the changes they made, but I'll be happy with my Black Mamba DOTM LS03F Prime. (By the time I'm typing this, my order for LS03F is coming for Christmas)
I just got one of those in December. The transformation is a bit different that thunder leader. It's different enough though, that I would call it enjoyable. This black apple version doesn't look enjoyable, especially the upper body part. And imo the back pack on bmb ls03f is miles better, both in ease of transformation and in looks.
@@joryuuken Update. My left shoulder pad broke off, but I was able to tape it and it can still transform. So I don't regret getting it, but now I'm wondering if I should have gotten Legendary Toys Prime instead. (Also, there's a KO of Thunder Leader coming out later this year, so hopefully it's better than the OG)
@@kennythetrend3688 Is your LS-03F still holding up?
@@_V.Va_ Well besides a tiny shoulder piece that broke off during shipping, it has been durable af. So if I were to say between that and Thunder Leader, LS03F is worth it. But like Dr. Lockdown said, if you want a toy that you will transform constantly, then the 2nd Leader mold of Optimus is it. If you want something that looks dynamic in poses, but you might not transform as often, then LS03F is what you want. But I do plan on doing a review on my channel in the future.
The OG leader looks dynamic in poses, if you do the though modification
I wonder if since they often make the grill of truck mode the bottom of the feet in robot mode, why not just make the grill die-cast metal?
It would be a smart choice
Black Mamba's LS-03 implemented die-cast on the entire feet and shins. Gives it hella heft and stability.
I disagree with almost everything you said. The soles of the feet shouldn't be chrome, though.
Subscribed because it's nice to hear different opinions of things. Plus, I like the 3DS.
This doesn't sound anything like a opinion. More like he's trolling.
@@MaxCanonStunner Are you referring to the review?
@@UnChannelDuVulpineX yes.
Edit: the kid below me is commenting two years later because he's already broken :)
@@MaxCanonStunnerThe only trolling here is me trying to break you :)
Don't worry, the magnificent mecha are working on him rn
Yee super excited for that. It's been a long time coming.
Wish there'd been something like it back when this video released :P
So, did Vaughan deliberately transform your MP-36 Megatron back to robot mode so you couldn't shoot him with it?
I think I transformed it
11:07 DrLockdown: "First things we want to do is gently move the smoke stacks out of the way..."
Me: Yeah no, that's a big mistake, you need to start with the side panels first to open up so it clears out some space, disconnect the gas tanks aka the guns and then untab the smoke stacks.
Yes I know you've already sold off this figure, but need to get that off of my chest.
But still a good video anyways and get your pain.
ok so this is a great looking figure with bad toy design? did you just review a NECA figure?
RIP to my Pacific Rim Jeagers
NECA You cheap pricks
I don't have him anymore since i recently prefer the g1 aesthetic now but I feel like he is the best bayverse OP figure ever, if they ever figure out how to make the abs less sticking out, it will be THE definitive version imo and imo just adding a slider somewhere to tuck in the abs will fix it, kind of like how they did the arms
Magnificent mecha and unique toys.....
@uainjansun the ut was announced like a week after I posted this comment? I forgot about the mm though
with Hasbro cracking down on third parties I honestly hope they don't shut Toy World, Im honestly looking forward to their Grinder, their version of bumblebee Shatter
I’m worried about MMC. Idgaf if the other companies shut down tbh. I’ll miss MakeToys a lot, Unique Toys is already out the door... but MMC is my favorite
Toyworld already survived an assault from Hasbro. I reckon they'll be alright for at least a bit.
@@TransDrummer1312I realize this is two years late but I don’t think MMC operates in any niches that would worry Hasbro :)
Mpm bumblebee movie bumblebee isn’t accurate but it is one of the most fun figures I have, and one I will never transform, don’t kill me please
I have that evasion prime by WeiJhang. Easily the best bang for buck.
Dr lockdown: I don't like this toy
Meher: yOU'rE tROlLiNg, CAP
so you saw that man child as well. meher is an idiot thats pretty much an objective fact
Do...you know what an incel is? I'm not sure that applies here.
@@DrLockdown well now i feel dumb, whenever i hear the word incel its used to mock somebodies intelligence
@@matrixpictures7799 lol yeah but not as man child as you guys here lol
@@DrLockdown lol surprised you replied lol
Ngl, i actually got an osko off aliexpress of ss44. Aoyi mech ls-14 is my mpm optimus stand in. And he’s actually pretty friggin good
MP movie prime always looked off, and this is like.....why
I don't get why Weijiang vetoed the fixes that Black Apple did. It's baffling.
Because this is awesome.
@@MaxCanonStunnerQuite contradictory, I must say :)
Not much Vance of getting him new now the factory was raided. Price they are going for now can be up to £1000 so glad I got mine when I did. eBay and luck is what you need now
Yeah there was NO way I was selling mine for that price. Bought it at $200AUD, sold it at around $150 since it was broken.
Why’d they not just upscale the old rotf mold???
They did, but they changed way too much.
@@DrLockdown in a good way. You're just trolling.
Because they want to make it better. And they did.
Edit: it's delicious how these kids are broken over my comments :)
@@MaxCanonStunner the chest fenders look oversized and are also very flimsy, the head is also very small for the body but the legs and arms and back look more clean but they are still very flimsy
@@NemesisOfEverything the only agruement he wasn't willing to come back and debate over
Wait, what? This is my favorite figure of the hundreds that I own! Like, seriously. Number one.
That joke was infinitely impossible. Loved it.
You really opened my eyes, Doc. There was a time I thought Thunder Leader was an amazing looking upgrade from the ROTF and MPM molds. But now, after I've seen the figure itself up close and personal and witnessing you having to endure through it... _yeesh._ I was hilariously wrong. This thing *SUCKS.* Thank Primus I'm not a third party/masterpiece collector.
I really dislike the direction 3P and MP is going these days, with an obsession over accuracy, instead of fun and enjoyable conversions.
Okay, troll.
Lol this guy have a weak copy. So you were right because this toy IS still amazing. Stop trolling.
Edit: I'll stop trolling when you fix your damn brain by not replying to me, kiddo:)
@@MaxCanonStunnerYOU stop trolling, you dolt :)
2020: yellowing in a matter of weeks!
2022: shattered glass starscream and ss ratchet: is that a challenge?
Yeah interesting that weijiang predated this issue
$150 could buy you:
One Wei Jiang Thunder Leader
*_OR_*
Approximately 32 packets of Red Rock Deli Lime & Black Pepper potato chips from Woolies.
I'd take the chips.
Good choice. That flavour is great
Or 15 Kingdom Rattraps
Or 4 SSGE Megatron
Dr lockdown after seeing this video while i did disagree at first with that reveal the shield prime (did meant the mold degradation itself which is why it sucks since the original one and its repaits and slight remolds are better than that) i can see why you hate this figure and i agree. Even the oversized one sucks as it looks wonky and the chest is fixed but is pretty boney. To put creativity on the line i would've put a good spine on this to make it as screen accurate as possible, better plastic WHICH THIS STINKING THING DOESN'T HAVE, less overly complicated transformation, fun to handle like the first two leader class and articulation similiar to SS32
The parts above the windows are called eyebrows if no one has told you yet Doc. 👍🏼
I have this weird thing where when I see og movie prime my mind defaults to calling it Thunder Leader
Ngl, I'm tempted to get the Weigh Jang and/or Sirtoys upscales of SS05. Idk if I'd get this though.
Yeah I'm tempted to hunt down the SS32 KO, but for now I'm happy with having the 2009 Leader again.
Weigh Jang.
@@_V.Va_ That was not intentional. Thanks for the mispell find tho.
You should get it.
@@MaxCanonStunner No. I'd rather get the 007 voyager than thunderleader.
Oh i think I had this when I was a kid i screwed it up big time i can't even figure out how to change him back into vehicle mode soo i just left him there in robot mode i think some of his parts kind broke off or went missing somewhere i couldn't find them and gave up
Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy reference!!!
Moral of the story? Buy LS-03 (the transformation will still suck tho)
Ok I'm back after a while, I agree and I am kind of glad I didn't dump out a whole check on this bastard. Much prefer BMB's Primes. Disagree if you wish, but I didn't spend over $100 on em so I can't complain.
7:53 it might be called a windvane? Idk
I think it might be called a sun visor
I actually have the mpm mold and it’s actually not bad there’s just some design elements that lower it a bit . Like the feet are relatively the same from the 2009 design but the hands are just too small in my opinion and also my has a defect where the piece is reversed from the correctly formed position making it Impossible for the front to be completely flush but I still love the figure for what it is.
10:59 if this is the second what's the first worst transformation you ever handled, mp-44?
Didn't buy it.
@@DrLockdown I prematurely typed this and saw you said it was the alien attack firage. Do you not have a video on that cause I didn't find anything on your channel
Never got around to reviewing it. Wouldn't have much to say about it TBH.
@@DrLockdown RIP. We'll never get to hear your reactions for its transformation like the Optimus in this video
Meh. Starscream is worse, methinks, and I already covered him
Thats exactly how i feel with my shattered glass optimus prime when i try to transform it to alt mode.
well, I already knew this would happen... time of death? something o'clock
Goddamnit. And I was just getting interested on getting some 3rd party formers. This year is a mess.
Plenty of good 3P figures still.
I dunno, I feel that Takara and Hasbro have bigger issues than 3rd party figures.
Like what? Masterpiece I get, but mainline is doing really well at the moment.
Those bits above the front windows are called windshields
its actually called a bowtie. get shrekt!
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 that's not what we call them in Australia
@@diegodankquixote-wry3242 also my dad's a outback trucker so
The glass portion is what’s called a windshield, lmao
@@johnl6192 we call the things above the the front windows windshields in Australia but you might call them something else where you come from
Oi doc, I know this is an old video but if you could help with my question it mean a lot, does robotoyz ship to the u.s? I’m thinking of ordering an Optimus but I’m not sure if they can ship to the u.s.
They do, but it's hella expensive. Honestly you'd be better off buying locally
I think aranobilis98s LEGO optimus prime looks way better than this, which is sad considering this figures price, Not to say the lego figure is bad, i think its fantastic
Thank you for making this video, I was seriously considering this figure especially with how happy I am with my wj mpp10 figure. But now I know it’s definitely a safer bet to go with the black mamba offering
I think it's more the base mould that causes issues. I'd personally wait.for a new 3P one
@@DrLockdown yeah I may do that tbh, especially since there’s other characters to hunt for that do actually have more definitive molds knockoff or not
Why does the weijiang evasion optimus prime have flames in robot mode but not in truck mode
Unique toys. They needed to get on this. Im sad that they didn’t
You saved me money. Thank you. Subscribed
Okay, troll.
@@MaxCanonStunner The figure is Hell to transform and breaks
Why is it good?
@@naapurihei lol better question. How is this hell to transform and breaks when you transform it peacefully and be careful with the parts? Because you aren't patient and mess with it like a Barby doll. That's why it would break. Same would go with rotf leader prime if you mess with it properly.
It looks very accurate to the movie, the articulations are amazing, the truck looks perfect, the joints are tight, the transformation works if you're patient, etc.
It's really laughable how you people take this review so serious lol
@@MaxCanonStunner why should a transformation take AN HOUR to do?
@@naapurihei because it's complexed to make it look accurate. And what's the problem with it exactly?
There _is_ actually a 3P Bay trilogy Optimus coming out (or has already come out by the time of this comment, Im honestly not 100% sure-) in the _Legends_ scale, by BaiLan Toys, their BLT sandwich 01 _"Roadmaster"_ and it's actually pretty impressive for it's size.
Far from perfect, obviously, but not a _bad_ showing for the only 3P Bay trilogy Optimus so far
Only took five-ish years :P
@@DrLockdown bit later than we'd have liked, but it's something ;w;
_to be fair, I think it took around the same time for us to finally get A MP-style triple changing Shatter, and eventually a Dropkick-_
Oh boy I can’t wait 👀
In hindsight, I'm glad I didn't get this guy in the end. He's just too overboard and overly complicated for his own good. And that's saying something from me, who likes both MPM-4 and MP44, despite their complexities and resultant shortcomings.
Honestly my custom rotf leader optimus prime is better than this with the rubber smokestacks replaced with a metal straw cut to fit and being chromed out
How the hell did Weijiang fuck this up that badly
Normally, their knock-offs are good.
But THAT?!
Hell no
Hubris. Simple hubris
Paint chipping?
*_a L L R i G H t, B a T T L e D a M a g E_*
Nah, chipping
@@DrLockdown okay, troll.
Do you have any other dialogue options? I mean I understand that god had a budget when designing the universe but would’ve killed him to give npcs more than three different lines?
@@mineturtledabrave3796 ur mum
@@MaxCanonStunner You call people a troll for having an opinion
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! Now I know if I want a complex movie prime to get the takara one.
Thanks for this review!
saw him going for 130-140 ish but in the end I skipped.
This looks way too over-engineered for me. I wanted a kind of centerpiece for my collection and I ended up getting a ko of MPM4 for about 60 bucks. (Every version of the Rotf leader I saw went for insane prices Jesus-) In the end I’m happy with what I got, figure is sturdy and it has issues but in the end I find the transformation pretty fun (outside of some tabbing issues on the front but once you do it a few times it all resolved itself)
Like you said with the Rotf leader, it’s right on the edge of being too complicated but is still very fun. For me at least. Ko is XP-14 btw.
Such a shame they went so far into accuracy they ruined the entire thing…
I’ll never get it but I’m curious how the MM version will turn out, especially considering they’re literally ripping off 3-A
Cheers❤!
So this is how Wei Jang's legacy ends; not with a bang, but a sad whimper of a wawa trumpet.
Alas, more like a car crash
@@DrLockdown and not even an explosion laden one like the bayverse movies.
Their legacy ended with their last release of their take on Bumblebee Optimus Prime, M09 Commander Leader
Do you ever regret selling it because its rare now and its getting a reissue
Not at all
@@DrLockdown damn
@@DrLockdown btw your supposed to extend the smokestacks buy pulling them up plus theres a tab behind the smokestacks to plug the back and locks everything
@@thomasthetrain2 Why are you telling him that when he already sold it? Lmao
@@_V.Va_ tips
I disagree in the materials department, I think they are fine, but you are right about that transformation, never liked the rotf leader prime conversion, and this figure just makes it worst, and it is uglier then that leader class figure
From the front at least yes. The back is infinitely superior tho and the entire robot is more compact. The ROTF design left the entire truck hanging from the back. Still unbelievable that a figure about a decade older and on mainline budget for most people is better than a "masterpiece" and even an upgrade of said masterpiece.
Clear plastic ON THE GRILL!??? How does that work!??? Although I’m still gonna buy this figure but weijiang has to know clear parts are weak as hell. (I know weijiang has shut down already but still)
Tbh i love this figure but that transformation....
Oh god i dont wanna go back to that
Still waiting for 3p to do a better one
Everything sounds better at 0.25 speed, especially when reading all this cringe binge of a comment storm that is created by the guy calling everything one a troll because they have a opinion he doesn't agree with it.
What
My guy, you remind me of the original dub of Freiza and I love it
I'll take that as a compliment? I guess?
@@DrLockdown it is! I promise! I'm a huge DBZ and DBS fan😅 sorry if that's weird
Lol. Just never seen the original. Only the abridged series
@@DrLockdown Ahhhh a man if culture I see 😎
What's with that fast yellowing shenanigans? My Earthrise Megatron had yellowed already
That's not supposed to happen. Looks like you may have a bad QC sample.
Weijiang hide shadow, however, was infamous for yellowing after two months
This is a perculiar model. I've never seen shortened smoke stacks like this. I feel like this was a very early copy.
Nah they actually slide, but I didn't realise until I sold this copy off.
If only any of the SS Primes smoke stacks did that instead of a full-on circumcision.
Godamn I dodged a bullet by getting Leader rotf instead of this "high end collectable".
22:51 ODST? Good choice
Never played halo, but the cover artist I used to use had good taste.
Thanks for warning me about the Movie Masterpiece and the later Weijing movie figures.
No prob. Their older ones are still great though.
@@DrLockdown But should I still avoid Masterpiece Barricade?
I've heard mixed things, so I don't really know.
They Can not Just Shutdown every 3P Company!
For Example:
You want a Good G1 Optimus Prime:
Magicsquare Light Of Freedom: *Chefs Kiss*
MP 44: Utter Fucking Garbage !
If Hasbro AND Takara want theese Companys To Stop, THEN THEY SHOULD MAKE THEIR GARBAGE BETTER !!!
Jesus i did not mean to go on A Full 360 Rant here…
That's a rant on why they shouldn't, but it they wanted to they absolutely could. If they weren't so lax they could do this in an instant
Me personally don't find the transformation of mpm04 and this ko difficult or time consuming in the slightest but just because I think like that does not mean it is fact and I know it
Which is worse though?
This or MP-52?
This. Hands down.
@@DrLockdown yeah, I think this has the worse transformation. MP-52 just looks wrong
Yeah MP52 is a pain to transform, whereas thunder leader makes me rage
The amount of mistransformations made here hurts me
I low key might get this just for the guns
Really? Those overcomplicated messes?
@@DrLockdown yeah^^ I like complex weapons. If I could find them individually if get them but doesn't look like that's possible 😅
Movie masterpiece, oficial, ko and 3p is a big dissapointment to me, all the figures to me look boring, or just wrong, maybe i was expecting too much?
MPM I agree with. They're using antiquated engineering and cutting too much back to truly fit into the 'masterpiece' category.
I've seen some of the Unique Toys 3P MPMs though, and they look truly magnificent. Toyworld Freedom Leader too; he's legendary.
Nah you're just trolling.
Edit: funny how these kids are mad and commenting two years later because I'm been quite and I changed my ways ever since :)
@@MaxCanonStunner everyone in the multiverse who disagrees with your opinions is a troll because there couldn't possibly exist opinions opposite of yours even if there completely mundane!
@@MaxCanonStunnerBeen kinda quiet these past few months. Finally reigning in your self-righteousness? :)
Then what do I buy 😭
There's a new 3P one coming out soon. Magnificent mecha is the company, and they seem solid.
@@DrLockdown 260 looks a bit steep tho
It looks magnificent tho
It's the same price as this was back in the day.
@@DrLockdown that’s why I’m tryna get one now lol
what are you using to film?
A shitty iphone, I'm afraid.
@@DrLockdown no the box
Ah. A cheap lightbox and light set I found on ebay
@@DrLockdown what light set do you use?
Lesson of the video: just get a takara version of the rotf leader mold, not the masterpiece
This is probably why I'm gonna try and get the buster prime or even the ko, it's honestly a better mpm4 or Thunder leader and has a way more simpler transformation
Pretty much. Simpler, but far more effective
@@DrLockdown exactly, I give credit to the mpm version for having the chest lights the actual lights of the truck mode and not the faux ones on the rotf mold but that's about it
Honestly they should've been faux parts. The commitment to making them real fucked the engineering
@@DrLockdown I'm not a fan of faux parts but if its done really well (like jeep bumblebee for his grill chest) then it's fine
Yeah it's not really faux parts that's the issue. Just lazy transformations
honestly I'm surprised that Weijiang wasn't shut down sooner
I mean just think about it, they are a company who steals Hasbro's figures makes a few changes and than sells them for profit
they were profiting off what isn't there's and having no shame in doing so
I hate to be the buzzkill but I honestly think that Weijiang had it coming
I understand that Weijiang means a lot to you and I understand that they helped get you back into transformers and I wish I could say that they were innocent and didn’t deserve to be shut down but since I am strictly opposed to knock offs and see them as a scummy practice I just can’t
The same could be said about all 3P companies. IP theft is IP theft. The only reason it's around is because of Hasbro's negligence.
And this is coming from a guy who loves 3P and KOs.
@@DrLockdown there is a difference however
third party figures despite being styled after Hasbro's characters are still original figures that are designed from the ground up
Wei jiang and other knockoff companies however bluntly steal Hasbro's figures maybe change minor aspects as well as the materials used and plainly profit off what's not theirs
Its still IP theft. They never paid for the likeness. In the eyes of the law, both are guilty
@@DrLockdown yeah it might be best that third parties try making figures that bare no resemblance to Hasbro’s characters since that would mean that Hasbro would not have to shut them down to keep any trademarks
That's what I'm hoping. Those new ones based on the work of Amazing Spino is a great example. Just outside the trademark enough, and hella cool.
Yeah that's why in the end I got the official one. This ain't worth it
If the back panels tabbed in, it would be the most screen accurate back.
Ah, but they do