I haven't mastered ay slide or stopping & I live in a very hillly area. I skate in the streets with cars& all. My secret to slowing down is just swerving around. Its incredible at slowing down. If i have no room, i use snow plow. I don't ont notice a difference between snow plow & T Stop tbh, i actually think snow plow is more effective if you bring your legs together quite quickly
This makes a lot of sense to me. I skate where it's very hilly, and use both my heel brake and my T-stop, but separately. I can see how it would be helpful regardless of whether you start out in a heel stop or a T-stop, because you can add the other foot to increase your stopping power. I'm going to practice this method of using both stopping types together, and see how it goes.
Yes you can start from either separate brake and add the other. I find it easier to start with the heel brake, just because the deceleration lightens up the back foot. But the other way around definitely works as well, as you can also see Natan's method to learn the Magic Slide that I linked in the video description.
Same here ! I used alternatively T-stop and heel brake, never thought to use both at the same time 🤔 I also used external methods to stop like a mate on a bike with real effective brakes 😂 But it's not very convenient, you always need to motivate someone to go with you 🤣 @InlinePilot Don't you have any balance problems on steep downhill? I mean... With T-stop and heel brake, the foot not stopping is keeping your body weight, so your balance 🤔 If you go with two unbalanced foot with both methods combined in steep curved slope, how do you manage your balance and your trajectory? Anyway, i'll try this, it's interesting 🤔 I really want to feel how it goes 😂 But wait... one thing catches my attention: I think my braking foot is the same with T-stop and heel break 😅 So I'll need to chose which foot will use which brake method 😱 I'll keep all my protection pads trying this 🤣
@@kyw78 I saw you already read my answer about steering and braking in the other thread 😉. It's not easy to learn and I fell down as well, as you could see. So definitely have all the protection you can get 😁. As any other new skill on skates, it requires hundreds of repetitions before feeling more confident with it. But, as I discovered with the T-Stop, active positioning of that dragging foot is possible using the weight distribution between the front and back of the dragging skate. And I guess that people doing the Magic Slide must also be using some similar way to adjust their back foot and prevent turning around during the slide, otherwise it wouldn't be very safe to do at high speed.
Powerslides on dutch pavement are possible if you approach slightly diagonal! Wont do you any good if the tiles are crooked because of age, but at that point slowing down might be smart anyway... nice technique to regulate speed tho, looks great for hills
Thanks! I kind of gave up on using the powerslide on the street for now. Especially after I tried it once on some really old asphalt with the stones sticking out. One short slide and I already had a big flat spot on my 125mm wheel 😬. Like sliding on a cheese grater. But I was also wondering how I'd ever go down those small arched wooden bicycle bridges with wooden planks with gaps between them. Curious to try them out once I have this magic heel brake fully dialed in.
@@InlinePilot about 2 weeks ago I was skating backwards with some roller-mate, he did a powerslide fully perpendicular (90 degrees between foot) and eat the ground as soon as found a tile edge, I did a soul-like powerslide diagonally breaking and all good, so I think that's the approach to irregularities try to slide the foot in a way that stops while moving over.
@@vie-on-whitte Interesting, hope your buddy was alright after that. So seems like a powerslide could work on regular tile/brick patterns, by adjusting the sliding-skate angle, making sure that it's sufficiently different from the direction of the ground pattern.
I cant use heel brake at the present. I'm still not confortable whit my cross over and T stop, but that's some thing to consider in the future. Thank you for sharing this.
That's such an intersting point you made there. It seems like most inline skaters think the other way around: they want to progress in order to ditch the heel brake. While maybe it's that they're just not ready to safely use a heel brake yet, because first needing to be more comfortable with crossovers and one-foot-rolling. That's why I'm now working on a video about getting more comfortable with crossvers and the heel brake. Thank you for your input 👍
Cool idea! I am gonna try it. I still use a heel brake. I notice you have a brake on each foot. Would it be possible to use both brakes at the same time?
I have two heel brakes to be able to change sides and have a spare brake in case one of them fails. I tried once to use both heel brakes at the same time. It felt very scary, because I had to put both feet beyond my center. I think it must be possible to rely on the friction to keep you from falling. I know quad skaters can learn to do it backwards on their toe stops and it seems to be the best braking method for them. This magic heel brake feels much safer to me. But maybe I'll give the double heel brake another go later.
@@InlinePilot HAHA im tempted to put the brake back on my ancient salomons. I made it off a 2 meter high quarter pipe for the first time last week on my powerslides next but I still dont dare go down a long bridge. I might try bridges with the heel brake or magic heel brake :) i tried carving on a part of the bridge but i still gain way too much speed. so heel brakes it is untill i can moderate my speed or feel safe with high speed.
@@kingpinda2 definitely interesting how it can feel alright to throw yourself off of a one story high halfpipe, yet terrifying to roll down a regular bridge . I know the feeling. I always assumed the heel brake would limit my freedom of movement, yet I eventually ended up feeling liberated by it .
Hi, not sure what you meant, but combining the two does require being sufficiently stable and consistent at each of them. After using it for some time now, it seems especially useful when using a heel brake with a longer frame. Because then it's not possible to put all your weight on the brake alone, so distributing some braking weight on the back foot makes a big difference in stopping power.
I have been using the the heel brake for more than a year after starting especially for steep hills. But that is not a case in the Netherlands... What follows might seem to be pedantic. Sorry. Looking back to your earliest video on this channel you almost seem to be more confident on that 4x90 (?) setup. In my opinion one the biggest challenge for you is that your edge control is very weak due to a loose fitting hard boot. Edge control should come mainly from the ankle. At every push, every landing, at your crossovers and also at other maneovres one sees that you are instable in your (big) boots and high setup. Take some time and look at closely how the skates of Dany Aldridge move relative to his legs. From the moment you are able to make small and big slaloms on one foot you will be able to use the outside edge during skating and stopping. From there you will be infinitely more confident in diversion and choosing the best braking technique. Find a better sized or fitting hard boot, use a lower setup and strengthen your ankles. I think one of the best ways is to jump into a speed skate (but please avoid 3*125 :) Where you live you have plenty of opportunities for that!
@balazstudos3858 Thank you for your detailed observations. Finding things to improve is one of the advantages of making video recordings of your own skating. You're right about too much flex in my boots. I have an extremely low front foot and a narrow heel, so these hard boots are not ideal for me for skating on such a high setup. Due to doing a lot of edge practice I'm okay skating on the 3x125 for now, but once I have saved up some money I'll definitely be looking for a good freestyle slalom boot that fits me better. Then I'll put my 4x110 frame on these boots for much more relaxing skate trips. I have done +30 km skates with the 3x125, just because it gives me the biggest smile on my face of all the different setups I have tried, even with the extra focus and energy that it requires. In the link below you can see that I am comfortable in my one-footed slaloms on this setup. My favorite exercises to train my (outside) edge control are power-pulls and cross-rolls, which are figure-skating exercises. ruclips.net/video/ctZB4PF9Sug/видео.html Since I've already got Trinity frames now, I'm kind of stuck with Powerslide and Iqon. So I'd probably have to choose between the Tau, the HC evo or the TR10. Having a front foot strap or laces that can be tightened in the front will be crucial to get my low front foot locked in. Any recommendations very welcome 😊
Here in the Netherlands the problem is even worse than with hills. We have a lot of canals, so we also have a lot of old steep bridges with bricks, uneven pavement or wooden planks with gaps between them. And bridges usually have a crossroads right at the bottom.
@TT-rg6yc Indeed, for me it's not really pain but my feet go totally numb after about 50 meters. It's much worse with 3 wheels than 4, and I also find it worse with rockered wheels than with a flat setup. They say that the inflatable-wheels have a lot more rolling resistance on the street, so instead I have tried out a lightweight 13.2 inch 4x110mm frame. It's much more bearable than 3x125mm wheels. And also less tiring due to the stability of the long frame. Should be even better with a longer downhill frame. Powerslide has a 125-110-110-125 downhill frame. That must be the best for bricks. But I'm afraid such a long heavy setup might take away a bit of the fun due to reduced agility.
For me it was too loose indeed, but my front foot is really low, and the hard boot cannot be tightened at the front. I like the extra toe space, but you want the part between the ankle buckle and the toes to be tightly locked in the boot. I solved it by tying fixed laces in the part in front of the ankle buckle while having the ankle buckle tightened without my foot in the boot. I can now push my foot into the skate without ever loosening those laces and it really squeezes my mid-foot in place.
😅 I don't understand... You don't like beeing unable to steer while heel-braking but put yourself in a worse position by combining it with a drag? Not sure what emergencies you got in your head but evasion is mostly a better option than trying to stop from high speed... If both options aren't available you need to go slow anyway 😩
Haha, yeah doesn't sound like much of an improvement if you put it like that 😆 The first difference is that if the braking is spread over both feet, you can keep the front heel wheel rolling while applying the heel brake. And a dragging back foot still has more directional control than a foot that doesn't even really touch the ground anymore. Though, to be honest, I can't really say yet how well it will do round a bend, because on flat ground the braking distance is too short to test that. I'd have to try it out on a steep downhill. Secondly, having more braking power allows a quick speed reduction before going into a corner. It's easy to quickly switch between having the dragging foot or having only the heel brake, so less need to overload the heel brake, allowing to keep the front foot rolling on the heel all the time.
I am planning to eventually do that at the final stop instead of the lunge turn, to keep it a small as possible. But as Bill shows and says, at high speed it just turns into a parallel slide, which is not always possible where I skate.
dude hello i recomend not waist any time on this you dont need to do that if you need a method to stop use a conbination of stops t-stop and a power stop on my experience you can go out on the streets with my powerstop (not a powerslide or a pararelslide) heel brake for urban its a verry bad idea
After this long, you should ditch the heel brake. You should be able to control and stop with your wheels. The heel brake is a crutch/training wheel thats holding you back.
I don't really see it as a crutch or training wheel holding you back. Ofc if you want to do slalom it's not really possible, but when you're going very fast in traffic i have to say you'd have to be at stoppard's level with your slides to be able to slow down faster and safer than using both a t stop and a heel brake simultaneously. Personally, depending on how busy the streets are when I go out and how lazy I feel ( i feel like i have to concentrate much more when i just have slides as a stopping method) i either go for my 80 s with no heel brake or with my 90 s with a heel brake
I see your point and I respect it. Using a break saves my wheels and its cheaper to replace. Thats the great thing about skating. You can play and have fun and do whatever you want. ❤
@Adam_M_D i agree. Im not sure why I wrote this in the way I did at that time. I should say, you're given a greater degree of movement without it, but there's nothing wrong with using it.
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I think is a great idea for fitness/distance skaters.
I haven't mastered ay slide or stopping & I live in a very hillly area. I skate in the streets with cars& all. My secret to slowing down is just swerving around. Its incredible at slowing down. If i have no room, i use snow plow. I don't ont notice a difference between snow plow & T Stop tbh, i actually think snow plow is more effective if you bring your legs together quite quickly
Thats such a good idea ❤
for effective braking, I recommend screwing several large steel screws, 8x30 8x40, into the rubber of the heel brake👍🙂
Not using the heel break myself, but very nice and creative idea
Thank you 🙂
Nice progress, keep it up!
Thanks!
This makes a lot of sense to me. I skate where it's very hilly, and use both my heel brake and my T-stop, but separately. I can see how it would be helpful regardless of whether you start out in a heel stop or a T-stop, because you can add the other foot to increase your stopping power. I'm going to practice this method of using both stopping types together, and see how it goes.
Yes you can start from either separate brake and add the other. I find it easier to start with the heel brake, just because the deceleration lightens up the back foot. But the other way around definitely works as well, as you can also see Natan's method to learn the Magic Slide that I linked in the video description.
Same here ! I used alternatively T-stop and heel brake, never thought to use both at the same time 🤔
I also used external methods to stop like a mate on a bike with real effective brakes 😂 But it's not very convenient, you always need to motivate someone to go with you 🤣
@InlinePilot Don't you have any balance problems on steep downhill? I mean... With T-stop and heel brake, the foot not stopping is keeping your body weight, so your balance 🤔 If you go with two unbalanced foot with both methods combined in steep curved slope, how do you manage your balance and your trajectory?
Anyway, i'll try this, it's interesting 🤔 I really want to feel how it goes 😂
But wait... one thing catches my attention: I think my braking foot is the same with T-stop and heel break 😅 So I'll need to chose which foot will use which brake method 😱 I'll keep all my protection pads trying this 🤣
@@kyw78 I saw you already read my answer about steering and braking in the other thread 😉. It's not easy to learn and I fell down as well, as you could see. So definitely have all the protection you can get 😁. As any other new skill on skates, it requires hundreds of repetitions before feeling more confident with it. But, as I discovered with the T-Stop, active positioning of that dragging foot is possible using the weight distribution between the front and back of the dragging skate. And I guess that people doing the Magic Slide must also be using some similar way to adjust their back foot and prevent turning around during the slide, otherwise it wouldn't be very safe to do at high speed.
Powerslides on dutch pavement are possible if you approach slightly diagonal! Wont do you any good if the tiles are crooked because of age, but at that point slowing down might be smart anyway... nice technique to regulate speed tho, looks great for hills
Thanks! I kind of gave up on using the powerslide on the street for now. Especially after I tried it once on some really old asphalt with the stones sticking out. One short slide and I already had a big flat spot on my 125mm wheel 😬. Like sliding on a cheese grater. But I was also wondering how I'd ever go down those small arched wooden bicycle bridges with wooden planks with gaps between them. Curious to try them out once I have this magic heel brake fully dialed in.
@@InlinePilot about 2 weeks ago I was skating backwards with some roller-mate, he did a powerslide fully perpendicular (90 degrees between foot) and eat the ground as soon as found a tile edge, I did a soul-like powerslide diagonally breaking and all good, so I think that's the approach to irregularities try to slide the foot in a way that stops while moving over.
@@vie-on-whitte Interesting, hope your buddy was alright after that. So seems like a powerslide could work on regular tile/brick patterns, by adjusting the sliding-skate angle, making sure that it's sufficiently different from the direction of the ground pattern.
I cant use heel brake at the present. I'm still not confortable whit my cross over and T stop, but that's some thing to consider in the future. Thank you for sharing this.
That's such an intersting point you made there. It seems like most inline skaters think the other way around: they want to progress in order to ditch the heel brake. While maybe it's that they're just not ready to safely use a heel brake yet, because first needing to be more comfortable with crossovers and one-foot-rolling. That's why I'm now working on a video about getting more comfortable with crossvers and the heel brake. Thank you for your input 👍
Very cool. Thank you brother and YAH bless you.
Just a thought, for uneven ground, powerslide SUV frames, air tyres ....
It's an interesting idea.
Cool idea! I am gonna try it. I still use a heel brake. I notice you have a brake on each foot. Would it be possible to use both brakes at the same time?
I have two heel brakes to be able to change sides and have a spare brake in case one of them fails. I tried once to use both heel brakes at the same time. It felt very scary, because I had to put both feet beyond my center. I think it must be possible to rely on the friction to keep you from falling. I know quad skaters can learn to do it backwards on their toe stops and it seems to be the best braking method for them. This magic heel brake feels much safer to me. But maybe I'll give the double heel brake another go later.
@@InlinePilot HAHA im tempted to put the brake back on my ancient salomons. I made it off a 2 meter high quarter pipe for the first time last week on my powerslides next but I still dont dare go down a long bridge. I might try bridges with the heel brake or magic heel brake :) i tried carving on a part of the bridge but i still gain way too much speed. so heel brakes it is untill i can moderate my speed or feel safe with high speed.
@@kingpinda2 definitely interesting how it can feel alright to throw yourself off of a one story high halfpipe, yet terrifying to roll down a regular bridge . I know the feeling. I always assumed the heel brake would limit my freedom of movement, yet I eventually ended up feeling liberated by it .
Interesting idea. Do you think it's a skill issue though? I.e.: not mastering each stopping method and using it proficiently over different terrains.
Hi, not sure what you meant, but combining the two does require being sufficiently stable and consistent at each of them. After using it for some time now, it seems especially useful when using a heel brake with a longer frame. Because then it's not possible to put all your weight on the brake alone, so distributing some braking weight on the back foot makes a big difference in stopping power.
cool thanks
I have been using the the heel brake for more than a year after starting especially for steep hills. But that is not a case in the Netherlands...
What follows might seem to be pedantic. Sorry.
Looking back to your earliest video on this channel you almost seem to be more confident on that 4x90 (?) setup. In my opinion one the biggest challenge for you is that your edge control is very weak due to a loose fitting hard boot.
Edge control should come mainly from the ankle. At every push, every landing, at your crossovers and also at other maneovres one sees that you are instable in your (big) boots and high setup. Take some time and look at closely how the skates of Dany Aldridge move relative to his legs.
From the moment you are able to make small and big slaloms on one foot you will be able to use the outside edge during skating and stopping. From there you will be infinitely more confident in diversion and choosing the best braking technique.
Find a better sized or fitting hard boot, use a lower setup and strengthen your ankles. I think one of the best ways is to jump into a speed skate (but please avoid 3*125 :) Where you live you have plenty of opportunities for that!
@balazstudos3858 Thank you for your detailed observations. Finding things to improve is one of the advantages of making video recordings of your own skating. You're right about too much flex in my boots. I have an extremely low front foot and a narrow heel, so these hard boots are not ideal for me for skating on such a high setup. Due to doing a lot of edge practice I'm okay skating on the 3x125 for now, but once I have saved up some money I'll definitely be looking for a good freestyle slalom boot that fits me better. Then I'll put my 4x110 frame on these boots for much more relaxing skate trips. I have done +30 km skates with the 3x125, just because it gives me the biggest smile on my face of all the different setups I have tried, even with the extra focus and energy that it requires.
In the link below you can see that I am comfortable in my one-footed slaloms on this setup. My favorite exercises to train my (outside) edge control are power-pulls and cross-rolls, which are figure-skating exercises.
ruclips.net/video/ctZB4PF9Sug/видео.html
Since I've already got Trinity frames now, I'm kind of stuck with Powerslide and Iqon. So I'd probably have to choose between the Tau, the HC evo or the TR10. Having a front foot strap or laces that can be tightened in the front will be crucial to get my low front foot locked in. Any recommendations very welcome 😊
Here in the Netherlands the problem is even worse than with hills. We have a lot of canals, so we also have a lot of old steep bridges with bricks, uneven pavement or wooden planks with gaps between them. And bridges usually have a crossroads right at the bottom.
@@InlinePilotconsider powerslide suv frames
Bricks are so painful to ride through. Tempted to try the pneumatic wheels.
@TT-rg6yc Indeed, for me it's not really pain but my feet go totally numb after about 50 meters. It's much worse with 3 wheels than 4, and I also find it worse with rockered wheels than with a flat setup. They say that the inflatable-wheels have a lot more rolling resistance on the street, so instead I have tried out a lightweight 13.2 inch 4x110mm frame. It's much more bearable than 3x125mm wheels. And also less tiring due to the stability of the long frame. Should be even better with a longer downhill frame. Powerslide has a 125-110-110-125 downhill frame. That must be the best for bricks. But I'm afraid such a long heavy setup might take away a bit of the fun due to reduced agility.
Do you think the next boot is too loose on the toes?
For me it was too loose indeed, but my front foot is really low, and the hard boot cannot be tightened at the front. I like the extra toe space, but you want the part between the ankle buckle and the toes to be tightly locked in the boot. I solved it by tying fixed laces in the part in front of the ankle buckle while having the ankle buckle tightened without my foot in the boot. I can now push my foot into the skate without ever loosening those laces and it really squeezes my mid-foot in place.
😅 I don't understand... You don't like beeing unable to steer while heel-braking but put yourself in a worse position by combining it with a drag?
Not sure what emergencies you got in your head but evasion is mostly a better option than trying to stop from high speed... If both options aren't available you need to go slow anyway 😩
Haha, yeah doesn't sound like much of an improvement if you put it like that 😆
The first difference is that if the braking is spread over both feet, you can keep the front heel wheel rolling while applying the heel brake. And a dragging back foot still has more directional control than a foot that doesn't even really touch the ground anymore. Though, to be honest, I can't really say yet how well it will do round a bend, because on flat ground the braking distance is too short to test that. I'd have to try it out on a steep downhill.
Secondly, having more braking power allows a quick speed reduction before going into a corner. It's easy to quickly switch between having the dragging foot or having only the heel brake, so less need to overload the heel brake, allowing to keep the front foot rolling on the heel all the time.
@@InlinePilotoh sorry, you answered my question here, didn't see. Thanks 😂🙏
Like you brooooooo❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Awesome! 😄
What about a quick power stop? BSS method.
I am planning to eventually do that at the final stop instead of the lunge turn, to keep it a small as possible. But as Bill shows and says, at high speed it just turns into a parallel slide, which is not always possible where I skate.
@@InlinePilot he usually does a drag stop, sometimes, on both feet to lower the speed before the cinematic power stop action.
@@fknid yes it's similar, I'm just adding the heel brake to the drag stop to slow down quicker than just using the drag stop.
dude hello i recomend not waist any time on this you dont need to do that if you need a method to stop use a conbination of stops t-stop and a power stop on my experience you can go out on the streets with my powerstop (not a powerslide or a pararelslide) heel brake for urban its a verry bad idea
After this long, you should ditch the heel brake. You should be able to control and stop with your wheels. The heel brake is a crutch/training wheel thats holding you back.
I don't really see it as a crutch or training wheel holding you back. Ofc if you want to do slalom it's not really possible, but when you're going very fast in traffic i have to say you'd have to be at stoppard's level with your slides to be able to slow down faster and safer than using both a t stop and a heel brake simultaneously. Personally, depending on how busy the streets are when I go out and how lazy I feel ( i feel like i have to concentrate much more when i just have slides as a stopping method) i either go for my 80 s with no heel brake or with my 90 s with a heel brake
I see your point and I respect it. Using a break saves my wheels and its cheaper to replace. Thats the great thing about skating. You can play and have fun and do whatever you want. ❤
@Adam_M_D i agree. Im not sure why I wrote this in the way I did at that time. I should say, you're given a greater degree of movement without it, but there's nothing wrong with using it.