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Open source sample recreation is an awesome idea! It's helping make our terrible copyright system a little more obsolete, while improving the usability of these samples with the chord/voicing changes.
I'm actually hoping AI causes the opposite of what I predict in this video. I hope that it all gets so ridiculous that they have to abolish the system.
@@BthelickI would hope so. Really appreciate what you’re doing here for us!!
Was wondering if things got crazy enough, if the world of Rave/House tracks and sample based music could possibly go “underground” again almost. “Unrealeased” music being paid to listen to on things like Patreon. Even, dare I say Only Fans?! The concept of decapitating these dragons flying above us, telling us where it’s safe to walk can be slain from underneath maybe? 😅
being a gaming nerd, my hate for publishers knows no boundaries. Rave stab samples should be a human right dammit 😂 appreciate your hard work!! 🎉❤
@@Bthelick how do you propose musicians make money?
How musicians like me make money right now? Or in a world after the system is abolished you mean?
@@eithafol7742 Right, because copyright is the sole reason that creators make money. Hint: bandcamp. Where you can make your music CC0 and still earn a profit.
your channel is a beauty
Aw cheers Iris 🙏
THE GOAT OF MUSIC PRODUCTION NO ONE CAN GIVE A BETTER EXAMPLE I DARE YOU. GOAT GOAT GOAT
100% Agree. I have unsubscribed from most tutorials
I know right?! I'm still shocked by the quality he delivers each and every video.
@@PavanMS87 same here. The way I see it now is…. Why try learn production from people who aren’t established artists or established professionals in the industry.
I had always wondered why you were extra cautious about sampling and copyright, but hearing that you've dealt with a lawsuit is crazy.
Great work, as always.
I hope I can tell the story one day,
I got sued for accidentally writing the same bass line twice, I kid you not!!!
@@Bthelick😂 Cant wait to hear the full story. Every trance producer and their mother uses more or less the same rolling 16th bassline.
Have you ever sued anyone?@@Bthelick
@@BthelickI’ve never heard that one before. That’s insane. Copyrightception
@eroero830 never sued anyone no, never had the time or money! I'd rather just keep moving forward and making music. The one time I got close it was looking like it would cost 30k minimum to prove my case
You just blew my mind🤯Would love to see where this goes and how you made them
Thanks for the support ❤️👊
I'm sure there are a few of these rave stabs in Meatbeats Orbhits plugin. I'm not sure though if Orbhits falls under the same banner as Rave Generator in that the samples used are illegal. Great video btw. Love the idea of side stepping the barriers of copyright through open source sample creation
Out of all the videos I have ever watched not one has ever spoken with such knowledge.
Wow I never knew this, I assumed they were clever recreations in ravegen not just blatant rip offs! Got a couple of my new tracks to redo by the sounds of it. Thanks for imparting your experience and knowledge. I fully support your mission and am eager to hear all your recreations Great vid mate 👍
the video titled "a beginners guide to rave stabs" really helped me understand where the landlord stab was taken from, but I have never seen anyone get it 100% right. It's a shame because it's my favorite sound.
I managed to recreate the landlord stab about 5 years ago. Sounds about 90% there. Still room for improvement. I think yours sounds great. The secret is knowing which DX7 preset to work with.
The Insomnia pizz is from Roland JV-1080
Ah yeah thankyou. That's an easy one then.
The amount of knowledge you bring in with your lessons is scarce in the RUclips community!
Great idea, and great work so far, I for one will be eager to see your progress on this one, thank you 🙏
Thanks for reinforcing this knowledge to the world;) Truth, spend a summer in legal turmoil and you’ll do everything you can to avoid unlicensed samples, as enticing as it may be. Spot on for YT future, Google LM has it down under 1 second now, coming to a DRM algo near you soon 😜 Keep it poppin’ B
One of my favorite VST's for stabs is Loopmasters Khords, Has a great library as you probably know and even though its ROM it's highly tweakable,... By the way in that one Video that you showed a pictiure of your studio and said this is my studio and you don't have a studio like this I was thinking yes you cheeky bugger I don't, Mine is quite a bit bigger 😉😂, Keep up the great vids, I love them!
Love it. My era of music.
Great work….once again. Can’t wait till these are available will definitely be buying you a jug of coffee!!
Very excited to see this happen! Legend!
I thought it before, but this video confirms it. You are the messiah of music production youtubers!
Looking forward to seeing more of this
Great idea!
You are the man!
What about a plugin like Tranceengine
I'm aware of it, but you didn't ask a question.
Are you asking about sampling or copyright concerns with trance engine? Or sound design?. Sorry I don't understand how your comment relates to the video can you re-phrase?
Would love see & hear these when you re-do them.
Yo man! Amazing stuff as always. How about a remake of '2 Unlimited - Get Ready' stab?
What a great idea
Doing the landlords work there, great idea! Especially as a learning tool. Since in the end, we all want to know what makes a great stab, right?
Damn. That opening information 😮 wow
I know it’s not a stab in the track but ATB 9am guitar sound would be a good see re-created in vitel and then used as as a stab
One at 6:47 is one of my face - I’m the one and only dominator! The one at the end from Insomnia fame also appears in Emmanuel Top - Tone.
Quick question as someone who's sat for many hours creating rave stabs (badly mostly, don't quite have your insight on these): do you have any rough idea of the percentage of RaveGen stabs that are actually owned by major labels?
Great question. Given that most Indies were bought by majors I would estimate it's quite high but I wonder how many went out of business before they were grabbed? 🤔 I'll look into it.
Regardless I have big news on this project in the new year so it won't be an issue.
Watch this space!
@@Bthelick Will absolutely look out for this, will definitely help give me more options as someone who uses RaveGen now and again for content.
Wisdom to the wise would be interesting, I know that it was multiple sounds layered up so that would be a challenge. It’s a great sound and very specific/unique to Dave Clarke’s track, so usage outside of that would raise a few eyebrows I’m sure. I wouldn’t dare use it anyway, wouldn’t want the baron banging on my door
Also Casio cz organ is safe to use as you can just recreate it yourself with arturia cz or virtual cz (or claim you did) Same goes for Dominator hoover on the Alpha Juno (Phutura vst of the D16 one)
This is class 👏 the Stab from Joe inferno - Tribal Church and the one from Scott Brown - Now Is The Time.
the sounds that I’ve tried to make and failed miserably at 😩
I need these rave stabs in my life! Serum would be ideal though please lol
Any reason? Everyone has Vital and not everyone has Serum
Back in the 90’s and early 00’s we were sampling anything we wanted and putting records out. You didn’t bother with sample clearance unless a major picked it up. I was selling huge numbers of stardust on Roule, that sample was not cleared until Virgin got there hands on it, Fact.
Oh yeah, they only get involved if it's worth the money.
Truth, If copyright laws regarding sampling were as stringent today, back then, a *LOT* of Chicago House producers would be “a little light in the wallet” (Braxton Holmes & Dewey Bullock {aka Cabrini Greens & Cornbread } ‘s “Welcome to Club” which samples Blue Magic Orchestra’s “Club for Lonely Hearts”, a lot of DJ Sneak’s output from the mid 90’s are two big examples)
Well Trax folded owing lots of it's artists money so they were indeed light
You seem to miss on the harmonics in the area roughly about 1-2k. I also tried it with some samples lately. To me it seemed like heavy EQing (as in boosting 12dB or more) some slight combfiltering could create closer results.
GOAT, keeping the Rave Revival tidy 🙌👾
best new channel out!
Great video as always! How about Apollo 440‘s samped choir or whatever it is in their awesome 1991 tune named Lolita?
I missed that track back in the day, but just had a a quick listen. The Orch/choir hit has a very similar timbre to the infamous T99 Anastasia stab from the same year, but with more sustain. I don't think it was ever estalbished what the source for the T99 sound was. It kind of reminds me of Carmina Burana, but I'm sure someone at WhoSampled would have found the right recording of it if something that famous was the source. I wonder if T99 actually ripped it from Apollo 440, or whether it's a couple of layers from a synth/sampler/rompler if not from a record. It's a very 'big' sound, innit?
@AutPen38 I always presumed the Anastasia choir was taken from Carmena burana too, but I just never knew which recording
@@AutPen38 Thanks for your estimation. Yeah, somehow Apollo and T99 sound similar but then again they don't. I think it has to do with that thing that you call sustain. Lolita sounds less brutal than T99 if that makes any sense.
Totally agree on Carmina Burana for T99. No idea which recording though.
And yes, it is a huge sound! 😉
@@Bthelick What is your estimation regarding the Lolita tune? Same sample as T99?
@@patrickg.259 Lolita is different, it could be the same origin but with extra layers and resampled etc, or maybe it was stretched as there seems to be less vibrato in the voices. If it is a different sample it is certainly a very close chord voicing
Do you have any videos about rythm guitars in house music? I want to start making some rythm guitar stuff disco style but theres very little information about that online. Is it even possible to get good results without getting a real person to record? I would like to avoid using pre-recorded loops if possible.
Thanks for the great videos. You are the most informative channel that i know on youtube regarding dance and house music, keep it up!.
I don't have any videos yet. Guitars like a lot of acoustic instruments are incredibly hard to emulate realistically, there's so many articulations and nuances.
It is kinda possible with plugins like the type Ample make, but to operate those you still kinda need to know how to play already! a video is planned yeah I just don't know how to present it yet.
I'm not sure it would be solving a problem for most people as audio loops are by far the easier and better sounding way to go already. Can you let me know why didn't you want to use those btw?
@@Bthelick Just never got around to it honestly. Also coming from a french house beginnings i kinda want to move away from using loops if possible. I am already good enough with using synths and one shots now but there's a certain style i want to emulate like the Freemasons, Electric Allstars etc. (Basically similar to the CD Pool Dance sound from the mid-late 2000s). A lot of stringed instruments on that stuff.
Would love to use it and see what I could make with it.
Impressive Sir!
👏👏
Looking forward to the pack. Are you going to publish videos on the steps you take in Vital and other synths to recreate these sounds?
Yes I will definitely, sorry this was kind of a nothing vid I ran out of time this weekend. 👊
@@Bthelick It was a great intro. Designing our own modern rave stabs that hold nostalgic value will be a game changer 👍
Just noticed that Rave generator 3 is now out. All sounds copyright free (re-created) but 79 Euro.
Yes it's a different dev.
Amazing 👌
Hi Legend! Im from brazil and Im learning a lot from you! Would you do a video with some general tips for creating the first """original""" songs for newbies? I mean, I understand some good things that you and other people that I watch do... but I feel kind stuck when the time comes, face to face with ableton... I guess its pretty normal for begginers. If anyone have any tip too, I apreciate it too! And sorry for the english, its not my main language :)
As a newbie you have the advantage of not knowing how everyone else works,so most things you attempt will be original!
Although in reality what just regards as 'original' is usually a combination of lots of combined influences, or when someone fails at copying something and accidentally created something different!
If you're staring at a blank screen, As a newbie instead of aiming for original, I advise the opposite, you try to copy as many sounds /artists /genres as possible that's a great way to learn anything , and how we do things naturally (like how you pick your language up from parents). then at least you have a 'palette' of ideas and skills to draw from. But just know even with all this great technology, nothing comes easy when you're new, just keep at it! 👊
i can't image that one sound/chord with a length of 200 ms can be copyrighted? Most of them stem from a synth of some sort, and synth-sounds are not copyrighted? And what if you pitch a copyrighted sample +5 cents?
Well AI can already identify some of them. Googles own LM engine is down to less than a second already, And it does that regardless of pitch or tempo alterations or even if it's buried in other sound. As soon as it's cheap enough for a major to automate against a target that is financially worth it, I think they'll start doing that
Any recorded work is under copyright. And samples from old school samplers and Romplers are considered recordings too. So even one millisecond from a recording is copyright infringement. There is NO ambiguity here, nothing to argue.
What happens is many sample and hope to get away with it, but major labels typically clear before release.
Derivative works are still copyrighted, so that includes, repitching, time stretching etc.
Rave Gen not working for me on logic makes me cry every day as a house head
Hey B,
I hope you're doing well! I'm currently working on a track using the Landlord Stab and was wondering if your stab pack is available for purchase yet? Alternatively, would you be open to sharing the download for "a coffee"?
I’d really appreciate it!
Best regards,
Luka
Hmmmm , believe it or not that has it's own legal implications haha
I would advise just get the stab from splice. One of the reasons I didn't finish the pack is because most people clearly don't care / understand. (Not yourself obviously)
If I remember rightly The landlord stab is in Toolroom Mark Knight pack 4.
That way you have a licence , so if it ever does get flagged, the claimant has to go through splice, and they through Toolroom and you are not liable.
@@Bthelick Thanks sir, thats a good fix for now. Lets put it on toolrooms hat then 👏
RECORD LABELS HATE HIM BECAUSE OF THIS ONE TRICK… 0:00
legend
Jv1080 roland for the pizzicato sound
I thought the 1080 came after insomnia?
@@Bthelick hi, the roland JV1080 was released in’94, while insomnia (faithless) was released in’96, for this fact i think the JV was used, i could be wrong … also “encore une fois” sash has used the preset (release date ‘98) just as Vengaboys… but again, i can be wrong… for the rest, i like much what you are doing! ♥️
@@GunterDS_SteReo_G i belive pizzicato sound was provided in Rolands even earlier. Before jv1080 and xp80, xp50 - was jv35, jd880 and mc series. In xp50, i think its even in GM sound set. Im not 100% sure because i touched jd880 maybe 20 years ago, xp series maybe 10 years. But somebody may check.
That's Awesome.
The thought I know have on AI is whether it will seriously start to over step. Sorry your track has the same drum sound in it, but it is pitched up by a small amount. I can just imagine where that is going to go.
Personally I feel like copyrighting frequencies. :)
Yeah I'm actually hoping it goes the other way, with AI making things so ridiculous that they have to abolish our existing copyright system. But I don't trust major record labels to ever do the right thing.
@@Bthelick yeah the current copyright laws make little sense these days. Especially since the democratisation of music, art and video. They are not fit for purpose. Not saying I have an answer for what is though. :)
I think smart contracts on decentralized ledgers show a lot of promise, the problem though is NFT's are also a type of smart contract and the stigma is gonna stick for a while after that farce!
One shot samples should not be copyrightable in the same way you can't copyright your guitar pedal board setup. Are you "copying?" Sure, but unless it's blatant plagiarism, the resulting music will probably be different.
Idk if this is true, but I've actually heard one reason _"EDM"_ and rave music did so much better in Europe is because they had more lax copyright laws... And I'm sure they had more freedom to sample American media, especially.
I get where you're coming from but a guitar signal chain is not analogous to a recording.
You appear to be confusing / conflating a few different copyrights there. "copyright" is not one thing. There are different types for which we have separate protections. A guitar rig, if possible would be a patent probably, whereas for music we have separate copyrights for compositions, recordings, performances and syncronisations.
A typical guitar rig is easy to recreate, or even happen upon, so indeed should not be copyright-able.
But a recording made with that rig will be a completely unique event captured in time , and extremely hard to recreate accidentally. Even the same guitarist through the same rig over 100 different takes. Will never capture the same recording or performance exactly.
The plagiarism you're referring to I think is composition / writing. if you do different things with that recording sample then sure it's not the same composition or final recording. But it still contains an exact copy of someone else's recording.
In the same way that if someone re-recorded your song with completely different sounds and people, should they be allowed to do so without recompense or credit?
It works both ways.
Great topic! I had this one on my research list after hearing James Hype - Losing Control and it sounding extremely similar to the Bizarre Inc stab..... possible lawsuit pending? Lol
It's the landlord stab I think, or is certainly a layer with landlord.
I hope for music's sake it doesn't go that way but I felt I had to present the facts as they currently are.
@@Bthelick I absolutely hope so too! The advent of A.I. is throwing up some interesting copyright debates these days also 😆
hey man, playing round and trying to learn the audio effects racks at the moment. You wouldn't be interested in creating some pre-sets which we could buy off you would you? i got a few off one of your past videos which had reverb/delay etc just not sure if there's any more! thank you in advance
Pre sets for the racks? Not really thought about it tbh. I'm not really a presets user, every track needs something in context so I don't use them really.
I have lots more racks coming though.
sorry i might have just confused things there as i'm new to this. Not presets just racks 😂@@Bthelick
Ah sure no worries yeah more on the way. I'm always solving some problem or other by building a rack. It's just figuring out what's helpful to others!
What do you find yourself in need of most?
thanks man! i found the smudge tool really useful for the type of music i enjoy making (progressive house) so anything like that would be great. love your content@@Bthelick
Thank you Ben, you are a legend for giving this to the community!
I´ve made 2 Early HC tracks, mastered and all & rdy to go, but with Ravegenerator sounds. So if I give them as a free download on SC, than I can be in trouble right? I don´t always use 1 stab tho. For an example, I created a lead, with the sounds: dist brazil, rave action & happyhardcorest. Those 3 together, sounding amazing. Is it still a copyright issue than or harder to detect?
More cool stabs would be: take on higher, Overdub test, f*ck them hoove & Hoover. Thanks in advance! Those last 3 together sounds cool too!
Technically you're 'in trouble' yeah.
AI can detect sounds inside other sounds already, whether it's sophisticated enough to dissect that particular combo who knows.
Two factors have to be at play, 1) the admin has to be cheap enough for the major label to automate , and 2) The track has to be a big enough earner to be worth pursuing. It's all about money after all.
So in reality you're probably fine but who knows in the future.
@@Bthelick Oh, that´s crazy! Wait for Quantum computing than lol. Thanks for the clarification! I already thought that if you are to small, it´s not worth it to sue you etc.
But than I´am thinking, a label like Glasgow Underground is pretty big and I´ve heard they just release uncleared songs, with famous accapella´s, as long as they not get copyrighted. Is this true? Maybe a good topic for a video, plus all the copyright stuff in general.
Most labels will have a contract clause that indemnifies them from damages caused by the artist , so if anything does go down it's all on the artist. The label doesn't care if you use your advance for legal fees haha
How can someone tell if the sample was actually used via the rave generator plugin or re-made from scratch? At 3:07 you knew you could've made it exactly like the sample, does that allow you to use it in whichever way you want? What is actually copyrighted - the timbre, note length etc? Seems like a very grey area
Recording copyright is the specific recording.
Timbre isn't copyrightable , only the recording of a timbre. It would be impossible to remake something exactly, especially from this era, of analog tape/vinyl etc.
Anything I could make would not have an identical voltage / waveform signature. (Think fingerprints) .
If I got it to sound 'too close' according to someone's ear and they wanted to investigate , I would have to prove my source. (This has happened to me before)
@@Bthelick and I guess saying "I deleted the project file" is not very convincing haha
Any chance you could release them as a splice pack?
Good question. As good as that service is, A Subscription fee doesn't strike me as the friendliest way to serve the community with this. If it turns out to be the legally simplest way then it's certainly worth considering though.
I can’t believe how copyright works!! So is it time to realistically delete all the sample packs I’ve downloaded off the Internet and borrowed from friends? With the amount of samples i have , i don’t even knew which of them are free and which were ripped off of torrents, i need further guidance on this please. Could you please make a detailed video on sampling and copyright please.
I will do a video.
Officially released (with a license) sample packs are usually fine. They are made from scratch (or supposed to be) like I will be doing here , creating new recorded sound.
And they come with a license to use non-exclusively in your music, often for no royalty payment (called royalty free) as the upfront cost covers the license fee in those cases.
Rave generator is just ripped sections of classic tracks. sampling of existing recorded sound (from music) is infringing on the copyright of that recording.
Hopefully that makes a little sense.
@@Bthelick agree! Thanks a ton!! I’m not clear if one shots are licensed too? I have thousands of kicks , for example, will wait for a video when possible. Grateful for all the work ! 😍😍
One shots are still recordings it doesn't make a difference, a recording is a recording, it's down to where it comes from that is all. A pack (or instrument) of one shots from a sample company that makes their own is fine (dependant on the licence for that sample pack) , where as a pack (or instrument) of one shots taken from others is copyright infringement.
To be clear , I don't know if the Labels will ever do this, I was warning about a worse case scenario and presenting the facts as they currently are. It's all down to money , If they can make money from suing someone at little cost to them (i.e. automated by AI) then its certainly possible, but it could also go the other way and it all gets so un-policeable that the this archaic copyright system will finally be overhauled .
@@Bthelick understood! Thanks for the detailed explanation. 😎 may i request to you perhaps make more videos on Mixing please. I am struggling to get mud out of my mix. Even though the low end is tight. I struggle with where to put hats, snares, fx, vocal, leads. All these more or less are in similar frequencies.
That's just down to references usually.
I don't like making traditional mix videos because what most mix videos never factor in is that _you_ can't hear what _they_ can hear! and that's an ear training difference which can't be taught in the video.
Any techniques shown can never be universal solutions. So if you don't have the ear training to know when to apply said technique then the video will be pointless, or even worse dangerous! Because you now have this new 'technique' that you've learned and are excited to try, but because you don't have the ear training yet you will blindly apply it to situations that don't deserve it thinking it's the go-to fix, thus making new problems (that you still can't hear!)
For example you already know your mixes are muddy but you can't hear it!
So there's not a lot I can teach really, there's certainly no secret tricks or solutions, other than don't have the mud!!! 🤣.
it's just about being able to spot it by hearing better, And as most people don't have the luxury of a great monitoring situation the absolute best thing you can do is reference more. And by "more" I mean "a lot more"!!, (see my 3 Rs video for more info)
Also remember you're talking to someone who barely does any mixing! So I will always point to sound selection being the problem and again that comes back to having the wrong reference or not matching the reference well. That process starts before the track starts. If you're trying to mix after you've finished all of your sounds and production and arrangement, it's not going to be ideal, or will be severely compromised in the process of improving it.
To answer where to put snares leads and vocals etc; you put them where you want the listener's ears to focus on, and where you want the body to move to.
You can do this in 2 ways:
a) arrange better so the fighting elements don't exist at the same time in the first place , or
b) if they do have to overlap , pick one, make sure its the focus and turn down anything else that gets in the way, it doesn't have to harder than that. (Remember elements don't have to be static, you can automate things in and out of focus as needed.
Ranger Trucco Euphoric lead stab 🙏🙏🙏
Don't think any of the original artists care, in fact it's part of the culture I'd say
The most sampled man in history Gregory Coleman died penniless and homeless.
I think he would have very much cared to see some recompense.
@@Bthelick True but it’s mostly greedy record labels taking the $$ anyway
Yes, it's definitely a system problem too, and there will always be bad actors, but it does work when all parties are behaving
The Show Me Love bubble organ.
Easy, that's just the organ2 patch from a korg M1
@@Bthelick how can they tell the difference between a patch and a sample? Especially with all the nuanced intricacies in any signal chain
once a patch is recorded it becomes a sample anyway.
that patch on the korg was not a synth patch though, the M1 is rom player, meaning it is playing back samples already. they only playback via a simple subtractive engine that has envelope and filter on top of the sample + eq, reverb /delay/ chorus options.
But as the underlying sound is not synthesised it starts with a sample.
What's the sample on 5:52 right before the daft punk sample. Have you found a way to recreate that one?
Good question. It sounds like a variation on landlord I can't remember which that one is.
I put this whole thing on hold, Shortly after I planned this, people have been uploading the stolen samples as loops into sample services like splice so I'm not sure where the value lies.
I might still do versions with chord variations I can see value in that maybe?
do you plan on releaing these? it still says coming soon
Yeah that's still the plan. The channel kinda took off and now music and videos are taking up my entire week. I'm chipping at way at them here and there but it's slow progress
@@Bthelick awesome! No worries, work at your own pace! I just wanted to make sure the link wasn’t missing!
Don't want to scream to loud but I STILL CAN'T RING THE BELL bell .... ....
No.... wait...... did it finally work ?? I unsubbed once more and..... we got a freaking bell 🔔 finally!!! I missed 7 videos tho, binchwatching time 🤩🤩
Omg it's working at last?? 🥳
@@Bthelick I wanted to wait for a new upload to be sure but YES!!! Finally 🥳🥳
Wait a minute…. if an artist uses an unaltered preset from some kind of synth or module and made a hit record with it, nobody can ever use that preset again in the same key or any key??? That would be crazy….
These aren't presets from modules. they are recordings from released records. Recording copyright is what I'm talking about not presets. Some of those original recordings may have contained preset sounds from instruments /modules , but the sound contained does not matter. Every recording's voltage signature is unique (like a finger print) and using any exact recording of anything by someone else without permission/licence is copyright infringement. you can use the preset / same sound on your recordings if you own that module /instrument, but you can not use someone else's recording of that preset.
Often wondered if the plug-in was legal
im gonna be 100% honest if youre using ravegen dry then yea you’re stealing, but if you combine the sample, if you distort it shift it and alter it in other ways. No software will detect them as the same sample, is that still stealing?
well there's a certainly distinction between not getting caught and stealing , but it's not a legal one!
in other words, yes its still stealing.
I get your argument, its akin to the legal grey area of 'transformative use' but the music industry doesn't usually respect that unfortunately.
I'm not saying agree with it, but those are the facts and I'm just warning that now AI can detect samples combined with other samples I think music makers need to know
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Legally Distinct Stabs
Or maybe call it "legal Stabs of Distinction" so we can use the LSD acronym ! 🤔
Bizzare Inc stab. Lol. Can you steal the stolen?
Haha no. But we can recreate!
@@Bthelick ruclips.net/video/mP40Y89-zLk/видео.htmlsi=Nu5kGE9aTWzexqfg
My pal Carl was one of bizarre Inc. He's at the back with the black jacket, pretending to play a synth. 😂
Man I hate most things regarding copyright. While protecting some ones original works is great the over reaching rules regarding it absolutely kill creativity. Hard for small artists to get permission to use stuff while larger artist just send a chunk of change to the label or artist who created it and then rake in the money for remixes and covers. The music industry has gone "Hollywood" and has becoming stale, corporate and uncreative as most modern movies. Definitely some big names I like and some good solo artists but it is becoming harder to for the little guys to get their foot in the door.
Even if you clear it with the original artists, that is no guarantee that record labels will come after with guns blazing. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I present “Bittersweet Symphony” by The Verve. (Richard Ashcroft and co cleared the sample with The Rolling Stones (Mick,Keith and co) the record label that Rolling Stones were on didn’t give AF & sued The Verve anyways)
Now to be fair let's get the facts straight, they only took 100% for the first 25 years 🤣
Synplant could help with legalizing samples by synthesizing them via ai. Hint hint
Yes was playing with it this week.
It's good for working out some monophonic sounds, but it can't handle poly which is what a lot of these stabs are. Also is only really a 2 oscillator fm synth under the hood so a little limited on certain sound types too.
Incredible though. It's gonna be my go to for sound design in the near future.
@@Bthelick ya its done by a single guy with some gaming gpus under his desk. This limitation will be dealt with pretty soon...probably already is and the guys with the supercomputers spend their time figuring out how to introduce it to the common folks to extract the most money out of them😉
If a sample is released as royalty free and someone releases a commercial track with said samples, couldn't another person using the same samples receive a copyright strike on their own track due to the first persons track?
Yes, it has happened, but it wouldnt hold up in court if both people used the same royalty free sample. Like the first person who used a roland 707 in a commercial song doesnt hold the copyright for those sounds.
Yes happens all the time, but only because the first person uploading didn't declare they were using samples.
Doesn't matter what type they are they have to be declared for this reason.
As soon as a release happens without declaration, then all sound embodied in that recording is assumed to be original.
The problem is when that first uploader is a major label, despite the claimed ownership of said sample, there's no way you would have the budget or time to fight them in court despite them being in the legal wrong.
Been there a few times
@@Bthelick the music business desperately needs an overhaul.
I appreciate your effort to make a 100% legal and safe library of rave stabs, but the actual problem, the change that I wanna make in this world if possible, is that we are still being controlled by greedy coorperations and their pathetic copyright laws. By avoiding real sampling in music production we are erasing the cultural past of electronic music. I'm an offender myself. I also avoid copyrighted material on my channel to avoid trouble. But this needs to stop. We need to find a way to solve this problem at its roots.
Yes agreed. As Adam Neely put it "the grotesque legacy of music as property". I'm not agreeing with the system I'm just trying to help those stuck in it.
Hopefully instead of AI being weaponised the complications will force them to abolish the whole thing.
samples and music should not be gatekept, the music industry is becoming such a cancer to itself its unbelievable to hear you say a half second sample cannot be used ??? sickening.
that said my favorite part of producing is making my own cool noises because theirs more flexiblilty and the creativity happening might produce something amazing you didnt expect. that 'one' sample wont get you more listeners, your track as a whole will.
some things we can do about it: STOP distributing to youtube music (this is the algorithm that pumps out strikes to small and large channels on yt for using tracks) find a distro that wont fuck other creators who want to use your sound or track in their vids or whatever.
get loud at artists for enabling the scummy behavior when they sign onto shitty contracts, bring it to their attention what the system is doing. in particular fuck WMG + UMG and all the copyright trolls
Agreed, and Yup all the majors are bad.
Adam Neely made a great video essay last year called "the grotesque legacy of music as property" sampling isn't just a hip hop house or rave thing It goes back hundreds of years into classical too . And it was always considered a respectful nod to your peers, It's part of music's DNA.
RAVEGENERATOR ILLEGAL ????!???!
Yup
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congrats
go cry about it
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