The Honeymooners "The REALLY Lost Debut Episodes"
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- The Honeymooners "The REALLY Lost Debut Episodes"
Originally aired October 30th, 1993; uploaded by request.
This transfer was made from a first generation VHS dubbed for review.
This is not an off-air recording!
This show and I Love Lucy my favorites. Born in 69 .Love the excellent story lines and acting of these shows. Sometimes my family and I have 50s tv show nights. This and Lucy a must . We dont have actors and writing like this anymore. Love old Hollywood.
Anyone that said Seinfeld was the greatest tv show obviously never saw the Honeymooners
This was a horrible show compared to Seinfeld all they do in the show was yell and total disrespect for each other set in a poverty ridden tenement how depressing and not funny.
Or soap 😇
@@rdavid7965 then you ain't got no sense of humor ,,,
@@duaneholcomb8408 AMEN.
@@rdavid7965 You sir are an idiot. Your knowledge of classic comedy is sorely lacking. You have to take in the time this was filmed.
I love The Honeymooners. Brings back sooo, many memories. My whole family, could hardly wait until, they come on every night. I miss them coming on television. I still love them, now I have to watch them on here.. Thank you for keeping the memories alive..
I remember watching 'The Honey Mooners' in my bedroom as a kid.
It was an old B&W Emerson television.
I'd go downstairs and heat up one of those Celeste frozen pizzas; they were only 99 cents,
and they were great !
It was just one of those times in your life that mix-together a fond memory; frozen pizza and The Honey Mooners
late nights, curled up in your PJ's - who'd-a-thought ?
My mom always had yummy goodies for my late-night forays. The only thing that got me through a 4-year sentence of some serious 'hard time' -
called High School !
Thanks Mom.
Can relate. Same thing here
Wow ! I've watched all the honeymooners shows as a kid. Never saw the "real" early shows. GREAT !
This show never ever gets old. Timeless.
The epi side where Alice had a landline phone installed is outdated...
I was a teenager when the Honeymooners aired. I enjoyed the remarks and slapstick comedy every episode delivered. The Set, the Apartment was definitely something else. I always wondered if that was what a lot of the Apartments in New York looked like for real. My family and I looked forward to watching the show every week. “To the Moon Alice!”
I lived in the Bronx , and Yes, the apartments were small like that. That particular apartment look was probably based off ot Jackie's apartment when he was growing up. It depended on the builders of the building, apartments can be tiny enough for one or two people or they could be big enough for a family or even larger and quite elegant enough for a wealthy person. based on the neighborhood and what people can afford in that neighborhood. think a studio is the smallest (now) a 5 room (no doors) 1 bedroom (comes with living room foyer bathroom Kitchen) 2 Bedrooms (same as1 bed includes kitchen, living room, foyer) 3 and 4 bedrooms then in Manhattan than have Penthouse apartments the are as big as a whole floor that could have about 10 to 20 apartments on them they use to be only the roof top of an apartment building , now they're the last 3 or 4 floors of the building the elevator stops at their apartment no one can accidently go to that floor you need a key for the elevator to take you there - you can look at some here on youtube some owned and some for sell
Im a 61 year old Aussie and this in the first time I've seen an episode.
Black and white sure brings back memories...
1975...our tv stations changed to colour with two stations living out bush with fuzzy reception.
I stopped watching tv last year because of the rubbish being peddled out as entertainment.
All the best to my American friends !
Now this is great to see. Growing up in Brooklyn New York in the 70's . They used to play the reruns on Channel 9. As a child it was the first time I understood funny besides the cartoons. They didn't curse. It was funny. I thought Jackie Gleason and the whole cast was genius. I found out later now recently about the true history. They only made 39 solid episodes . But, these gems where the original Alice which I recently learned about. RUclips is brilliant for such Historical relics. Jackie Gleason was like a perfectionist. Although I heard he never liked rehearsing. Pert Kelton really laid the foundation of the character Alice. But, it was Audrey Meadows that really put the ice on the cake with her interpretation of Alice Kramden. Art Carney sheer genius. Jackie and Art was an indelible duo. Nice to hear the famous lines how it was developed. The way Mr. Gleason access the different characters like the Trixie character. Great choice with Joyce Randolph. Love the History of one of my favorite TV sitcoms. The Flinstones was derived from these characters.
The reruns were in WPIX channel 11
I think 9 was WORTv, out of Secaucus, good call Garfield! A staple in the 70’s on the island too :) 🇮🇹🇦🇺
As of 2021, Joyce Randolph is 96 and still looks elegant.
I was not born when the Honeymooners Debuted. The same was with I Love Lucy.As I became older I enjoyed these two Classic Shows With Great Actors, Actresses. I still enjoy watching them.👍🌟
Never knew of these early shows, but were great to watch, I remember as a kid in the late 50s my mother laughing so much she had tears in her eyes, I was to young to understand the humour but for me now the Honeymooners is an iconic comedy , people will still enjoying it for ever...
This is absolutely fantastic, this is the first time seeing all these shows without the Alice and Trixie I knew.
Fantastic!!!
Thanks a million for posting this, so much enjoyment!!!
Nice that these episodes were restored. Pert Kelton’s Alice deserves to be remembered. Ms Meadows was wonderful in the role too, even if her version is a bit higher-class. But Kelton seems like an Alice who’d be more of a natural match for Ralph. She was a talented performer.
Audrey meadows was a better Alice.
Kelton's departure from the show was due to her being blacklisted.
Audrey Meadows was beautiful. Despite everything he said, Ralph was head over heels in love with her, and the audience always knew it!
I always loved Audrey Meadows' sarcasm. And the way she delivered those sarcastic one-liners. I think it's because she reminds me just like a girl I've been knowing for years. Lol. Of course she's only joking when she does it. Like Audrey was only acting.
Gleason, at first, didn't want to hire Meadows because he thought she was too beautiful. When Meadows found out she sent Gleason a bunch of photos of her in crazy outfits and Gleason immediately hired her.
Always loved how they always made up at the end of each episode.
I like that Norton changed his character up in the later episodes.
Thanks for posting because these are part of the Honeymooners where it all began. I've been looking for these episodes for a long time it had to start somewhere these are classics as well. If you locate anymore of these classics please don't hesitate to upload them, thanks 👏👍
They're good stuff, for sure!
THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES, IM 78 AND REMEMBER THESE WELL. EVEN AS A TEEN, WE LOVED THIS SHOW.
St John 3:16! 💓
I'm 74 going on 33! "We shall be like Him"!
(See 1 John 3:2 KJV)!
"For our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself."
Philippians 3:20-21!
It won't be LONG!
JESUS is RETURNING SOON! ALLELUIA! 🙏🙌
I'm SO EXCITED! 💓
@@SOULRELIEF22 AMEN!!!!
@@LAUS-DEO-HAWAII HALLELUJAH! 🙏🙌
In April, 1967, my father packed us up, shoved us into a brand-new DC-9 (Philly), and flew to Miami. We stayed at "The Cadillac Hotel", next to the Fontainebleau in Miami Beach. He attended a ten day metallurgical conference, and on one magical Thursday evening, we attended a taping of The Jackie Gleason Show. I'll never forget the precision of The June Taylor Dancers, but Gleason stole the show with his monologue.
The '66/'67 season for the show was experimental, in that some of the shows limited the size of the audience, which was seated at circular dinner tables, versus auditorium seating. Wolfie's Rascal House catered the dinner event, which cost $22.00 for the four of us. Gleason had notes printed - which read "please leave no tip, because the tip's on me; I hope you thoroughly enjoyed this evening, as much as we enjoyed presenting it to you".
Til this day, I'm thankful for having seen, and taken part in history, during TV's "Golden Age".
... the tips on me.
The Great One.
Did you watch the Honeymooners episodes in the 1960s, like I did? Already the top 39 episodes were being shown in reruns. I compared the new episodes, with Sheila MacRae as Alice, to the ones with Audrey as Alice. After some months, I decided Sheila was the better Alice, and I read a TV interview in the 1960s, and Gleason said that Sheila was the "true" Alice. It was a TV Guide interview.
AMStationEngineer : Gleason was a classy guy.
That is a great memory to have and share
@@bobbyfrancis8957 What was the change in actors about? I never heard why.
Jackie Gleason was huge in our home in the 60s and the television shows was hilarious back then /!😂😂😂
James Popovich Jackie Gleason was HUGE everywhere! I think Alice would've made that joke!
Norton would have as well.
@@itiswhatitaintanditaintwha1427 hahaha yep - remember her saying - you got here and here and you got here ( as she was placing her hands on back, sides and her stomach as she moved her stomach forward.
My favorite all-time TV show never missed an episode and I've watched reruns many times over and over
Television's greatest married couple...Ralph and Alice Kramden.
No it was Archie and Edith Bunker!
@@garylobo348 Mike and Carol Brady and Ward and June Cleaver.
@Daniel Vazquez I never watched the show Married With Children when it was on back in the day.
I just began watching it last year.
The only reason for me watching the show because it wasn't anything else that was left to watch. ( Now that I'm retired, watching TV 24/7 will cause someone to watch everything that is on TV.). I would say that it's the opposite of All In The Family.
All In The Family is another great show. It's a TV classic. It was one of a kind. There was never a character like Archie Bunker and his family and friends.
I am so shocked I never knew that this episodes exist because I grew up as a kid watching The Honeymooners and to this day I still watch The Honeymooners in RUclips and I got 39 episodes of The Honeymooners that I bought a long time ago in DVD♥️❤♥️ thank you for sharing this♥️❤♥️
Thanks for uploading this very entertaining and interesting history. I will enjoy seeing these episodes repeatedly. Thanks again.
You're welcome!
ralph looks good in this one.
I am an Audrey Meadows fan and just love her voice.... but Pert Kelton was also funny... Art Carney in Policemans uniform instead of a singlet!!! Great to see these but I wonder too, how it progressed into the great series it became... with out Audrey Meadows... I saw Her in a Movie recently and recognized the voice... YES after all those years...
I like Pert Better -
Perth had to leave because she was Red Listed in Sen Joseph McCarthy's book of 151 Communist. Very sad, in this show they said she had a heart problem and had to leave . If this wouldn't have happened It would of been Gleason, Kelton, ,Carney, and Randolph. We would have never known Meadow's. Jackie was very upset about losing her and thought Meadow's was too pretty for the part ,and it took awhile for him to feel comfortable with her. IMO, Pert Kelton was a very realistic Alice Her Alice created a far better match to Ralph in battle. That bit of going out the window and her answer back to him when he said go ahead. the singing and that part where he's about to leave her and she starts to cry -very realistic. Lucille Ball was also Red Listed - but she was the Number 1 rated show then and was able to fight Sen. Joseph McCarthy she was red listed (because as she said -She voted communist because her Grandfather asked her to) - If Jackie's show had been around longer he would of helped Pert, If he would of tried to help her then, the show would of died as well as himself, people were frightened of Communists then.
@@WandaCasamento59 It would never have been a great with Pert rather than Audrey. Her voice is grating, and there isn't the depth of emotion or chemistry with her as there was Instantly when Audrey took over the role. On another note--Communism is EVIL and there is No excuse for her to have ever supported it. McCarthy was 100 percent right and history has proven that. Gleason was a close personal friend of Nixon, as well, who was on the HUUAC (which I think ought to be brought back). She also did die of a heart attack about 15 years later.
I never knew how they could stand not having a curtain in that window.
Alice was threatened with violence in almost every show and not one person viewing the show thought she was actually in any danger . I was allowed to stay up until 10.00 pm to watch the show Highlight of the weekend for me
Alice was not in any danger. Ralph was a blowhard but really in love with her. The ending of those episodes showed that. Alice was the dtrongest of the 2 why she completed Ralph.
When it came to Alice, Ralph was just all bark and the viewers knew it.
It was plainly obvious to everyone,including Alice, that Ralph was all bluster and that she was never in any danger...not even for a moment.
People are getting stupider by the generation.
Still all these years I still never miss a Honeymover episode.
Great!! Pert Kelton was the first choice, but she was blacklisted in the 50's. The 1951 skit seen here is the birth of The Honeymooners. If anyone should wish to hear her on radio, she & Art Carney were both in a very funny series about a year before this on CBS called "The Magnificent Montigue"...she was quite caustic! (It was written by Nat Hiken who would go on to write "Bilko".)
Monte Wooley starred. It was hilarious.
I find her voice far too grating.
The original Alice was good but Jackie and Audrey had an undeniable chemistry
for sure
VALERIE E I also think that Audrey was a better Alice and also Joyce Randolph made a better trixie these two women in this pilot episode seem like such hard women more line street walkers
Well put
"One of these days.."
Ralph wasn't too overweight in this episode.
I noticed the TV in the one early episode and chair facing the door. Jackie must have toned things down. Once Audrey joined the cast, he was always dead set against the expense of a TV until the classic episode where they got one. Plus, he was dead set against having a phone until Alice got one. Plus, the puppy episode. Alice really drove the household regardless of the casting. My all time favorite sitcom.
I love how the walls & the building and sceneries are all painted on canvas!! They move around when they open the door and window!! 😂🤣
They did a great job. I got no complaints
Gee, I thought they was cardboard! Well, ya learn somethin new every day.
Alice was low carb before everyone else.
I loved "The HoneyMooner's !
Many early tv shows were lost because tape was expensive back then, so they were only seen live.
Videotape was a few years off.
The Dumont Archive was dumped into the Atlantic... intentionally... any extant Honeymooners episode prior to CBS is what was filmed through kinoscope (for private collections). They were shown live and not recorded in anyway (beyond kinoscope) ... tape didn't exist and 'filming it' was impractically expensive (when you add in preservation, etc.) at the time for television - a fad technology, not utilized by a majority of Americans, with an unknown future.
@@tlrlml Interesting info, thanks. One question: why would Dumont "intentionally" throw the archived recordings into the Atlantic? Sounds intriguing!
@@deanbianco4982 Dumont didn't do it (by that time they were decades gone) CBS did, perhaps out of a need to erase potential issues of copyright, perhaps to rewrite history.
Then where do those "lost episodes" fit in, the ones Jackie had in storage and were edited into a series after Jackie died? I know they predated the 39, and some were short sketches that were part of a bigger show. I'm pretty sure they were all Dumont.
Jackie Gleason is an icon
Enuf with the icon, the man was a national treasure
He was an icon. Somehow he was all alone and worked hsrd for his achievements. He had an older brother who died when he was very young. His father disappeared and when he was 19 he lost his mother.
His immediate family was gone.
I don't know why his first marriage didnot work. He purchased a home out in Long Island for his wife & daughters.
Why he didn't have his family move to
Manhattan instesd of a house on Long Island I don't know.
The 2 were miserable but refused to divorce as both were Catholic.
But Jackie had affairs I believe and that is against all churches.
Why the 2 waited so long to finally divorce I don't know.
Jackie was 5married 3x...
He did not have a good relationship with his daughters until they were much holder.
Going by the movie and Wikipedia and some RUclips videos.
That's why there's a statue 🗿 of him in New York.
Beautiful, just beautiful. All were great. Trixie, Alice, Eduardo ;) Ralpf. I love them all - especially Pert. And, thank you Joyce.
Pert Kelton was GREAT in these sketches!!!!!!!
I liked her better -
Perth had to leave because she was Red Listed in Sen Joseph McCarthy's book of 151 Communist's. Very sad, in this show they said she had a heart problem and had to leave . If this wouldn't have happened It would of been Gleason, Kelton, ,Carney, and Randolph. We would have never known Meadow's. Jackie was very upset about losing her and thought Meadow's was too pretty for the part ,and it took awhile for him to feel comfortable with her. IMO, Pert Kelton was a very realistic Alice Her Alice created a far better match to Ralph in battle. That bit of going out the window and her answer back to him when he said go ahead. the singing and that part where he's about to leave her and she starts to cry -very realistic. Lucille Ball was also Red Listed - but she was the Number 1 rated show then and was able to fight Sen. Joseph McCarthy she was red listed (because as she said -She voted communist because her Grandfather asked her to) - If Jackie's show had been around longer I think he would of helped Pert, If he would of tried to help her then, the show would of died as well as himself, people were frightened of Communists then.
@@WandaCasamento59 Ot was Pert's husband who was lrft wing MOT Pert but guilty by association I gurss.
People like me fell in love with Audrey. It made Ralph not seem like a total loser . He couldn't be that unlikely with such a beautiful wife.
Pete, exactly, a man's wife is a compliment to his life, not an embarrassment.
Unlikable, but yes.
I LOVE how Alice sings to herself!!
Very Edith Bunker only more on pitch.
Boy, the tone is considerably darker in these early episodes. Even the usually easygoing Norton is bickering.
The best show ever...
kramden every sitcom since steals the Honeymooners story premises
@Be Water, My Friend You must be Southern or Midwestern from a suburb or small town.
"The Honeymooners" was real life. "The Andy Griffith Show", while enjoyable, was pure fantasy, where no one less than Southern Baptist or darker than a paper bag ever appeared.
Wish there had more loads more episodes
What I found strange is that the program went from being no.2 in the United States starting out in it's first season behind The Perry Como Show to no.19 in the space of a year before being ending after 39 episodes.
Its amazing that Joyce Randolph is still alive being that this show is almost 70 years old
It's amazing all the episodes they did and only did one season
I have the dvd setof the 39 episodes plus the set of the lost episodes. The lost episodes were the pilots..rough drafts....of what was to come..not perfected yet so its expected they would not be as good. The pilots had a more hateful harder tone to them which fortunately was softened and perfected by the time Audrey Meadows came on board. R.I.P. to all who have past..a great talent of cast there.
don't forget those early shows were much shorter in length so development was not possible compared to 3o minute shows..
The "lost episodes" weren't pilots as such but skits on the original Jackie Gleason Show and his earlier Cavalcade Of Stars show of the 1950s. And yes, definitely rough around the edges for the first 30 or so skits until Audrey Meadows took over as Alice when The Jackie Gleason Show got underway in 1951. The 39 episodes of the classic show we've all known for years were the full sitcom versions, with some episodes being recycled skits expanded to the half-hour format.
Hello Bonnie, How are you doing?
There was never such a thing as Honeymooners "lost episodes". They were never lost. It was a marketing ploy Gleason used to package the 15 minute skits from his variety show.
Every man needs to say " baby your the greatest" greatest line in comedy, close second "boom,bang,zoom to the moon.
classic, filmed before live audience, difficult, a lost art, get ready for laughter.
Four actresses played Alice Kramden: Pert Kelton (seen in these skits), Audrey Meadows (the most famous Alice), Sue Ann Langdon (who played Alice in a couple of "Honeymooners" skits on Gleason's show in the early 1960's), and Sheila MacRae (who played Alice from 1966-70, when Gleason's variety show did full hour "Honeymooners" episodes three weeks out of four).
I remember seeing Sue Ane Langdon and then Sheila, as a kid. Later saw the original 39 on local TV.
I only remember Audrey Meadows so this is unsettling to me..
Joyce Randolph was the prettiest girl on the show.
she is still alive(aug 2021), and probably a widow and available.
Jackie was right the first Trixie, didn't work -
I loved whenever Ralph ended by telling Alice "Baby, you're the greatest."
Thanks for these EXCELLENT VIDEOS.
Thanks for your hard work really appreciate it .
Not a problem! Thanks for watching!
The old days were better shows were decent back then real clean humor .jokes that were funny .not like today bad WORDS perversion . Today's shows sucks
YUP...LIKE THE BILGE PUMP ON THE QUEEN MARY...
In that first episode the Kramdens had an upholstered chair and a telephone in their apartment.
@karlakor They also had a television and slightly better looking appliances. I wonder why Gleason decided to make their apartment look crummy in the later episodes?
@@shirleypena4133 sorry it's a year late but I Believe it's too show he was more of a tight ass and to show more of his struggles and not to just throw his money on things he feels he don't need aslong as he has his wife and food on the table after work he was happy with
@@vsoulflyv I'm late also 😊. The reason for the set design. Gleason made the set just like the place he grew up in, with every detail and the physical address which was in Brooklyn NY.
When Gleason hosted the DuMont variety show. This was actually a skit. Then evolved into a thirty minutes show when you add in the commercials.
ME AND MY DAD WOULD STAY UP AND WATCH THE HONEYMOONERS TOGETHER I LOVE JACKY THE WAY HE DID HIS BODY JESTERS AND HIS FACE EXPRESSION ME AND MY DAD WOULD ROLL ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING THEN NORTON WOULD WALK IN THEY BOTH HAD THE GIFT OF A CLOWN NOW WHEN I HEAR THE THEME SONG I JUST WANT TO CRY IT PULLS ON ME HARD
BOB SILLAS: Roll on the floor laughing? Were you both drunk, or that childish?
Me & my older brother was raised by "The real" Ralf Kramden--- our father! attitude, looks, the screaming....I remember one time I was watching the honeymooners, my brother comes in the room &says, " What are you crazy!?" "We live with him!! I thought about it for a moment .No lie, I was on the floor laughing my ass off for about Ten minutes!!!🤣🤣🤣 Oh yeah, BOTH OF THEM WORKED FOR THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY!!🤣🤣🤣😉👍👏👏✌
Ok but don't shout lol
I know whay you mean about the theme song. I always loved the opening credits and music. It pulls on me hard too.
All the best to you, Bob. I hope your life is good. 🙋♀️
The best comedy shows I have ever watched ( NO HANDS DOWN ) !
Not very funny.
Ed looks so different with hair.
He wasn't wearing his traditional hat.
There was a radio progam called "The Bickersons" with Don Ameche and Frances Langford. I wonder if that program was the "blueprint" for "The Honeymooners"?
Yes, and The Flintstones stole from The Honeymooners.
Pert Kelton sounds EXACTLY like Lois Griffin......I'm sure that Alex Borstein (the voice of Lois) is paying homage to this actress.
agreed
SETH MCFARLAND, of Family Guy tv show, said years ago that his show was based on the HONEYMOONERS....and so was the FLINTSTONES cartoon. It's old,common knowledge amoung the true fans.
Oh yeah!!!! She does!
It’s just a New York City Accent.
@@kennycybertron1 the cartoon The Jetsons was based on the Flintstones but it's about the future. Just think, it was all due to Jackie Gleason. His vision inspired so many people and so many projects that are still going in the Twenty-First Century. The Honeymooners are still being watched after sixty-five years. This is why he's a icon as well as a visionary.
At 12:42 he says "Who ya expectin, Princess Elizabeth?" Yes, this was aired before Queen Elizabeth was the queen.
There was two princess in other countries w the name of elizabeth that went back as far as the 1700's.
Just thought id pass this on to ya
My favorite was the fairy queen
and she knew John D , but HRH Elizabeth 2 was more beautiful and shes still good looking.
King George VI died in 1953, and Queen Elizabeth II's coronation took place in 1954. She has been the Queen of the UK for 66 years.
Wowsers, the coronation was'53
I love the semi-abstract settings of early TV, I think it adds to it.
MerleOberon They're much closer to stage settings- not ultra-realistic. Semi-abstract sums it up very well.
It was to show how dirty poor they were... nothing abstract about it.
MerleOberon, remember, the Honeymooners sketches were just one part of a live TV show. They didn't have time for elaborate sets.
I loved it , been a mooner fan 4 ever ::: rate it an A plus Jackie
Norton ol' pal of mine was a cop!
Robert Carmona
I I still love this show
Omg, this is a dream come true!!! I never knew, never had any idea there were "lost" episodes, of one of my favorite TV shows, in all my 57 years. Like, wow, this is gold!
Jackie Gleason played in an earlier show before he was widely known. The name escapes me now. He was/is of course an icon. It's great that these "stars" leave a legacy in their body of work for all of us to enjoy!!! A life well lived.
The Life of Riley
No "Ed Norton" yet, but Art Carney HAD to be there for the first "Honeymooners" somehow!
There was no love between Pert and Ralph...the love for Audrey was what made it great.
neri neri ***
True, an audience wont stay with it if there is no love and affection.
neri neri I totally agree
She acted too serious all the time... did not show any love... only a nagging attitude... so things were boring!
Their on screen chemistry wasn’t quite as good, but the truth is, Jackie Gleason enjoyed working with Pert, was fond of her, and did not want to see her go. He initially rejected Audrey Meadows as a replacement because he felt she was too pretty for the role.
I wasn't born till decades after this. I love it!
Pert Kelton was a stage actress and Vaudville performer who died at 61 years old! She was the original Alice Kramden going back to the 30's!!
There was no Alice Kramden until 1951.
Ive actually never seen the episodes with Pert, she was hilarious. What I like is that Jackie adjusted the stories and wasn't an angry jerk right at the beginning of the episodes like in these. But what I also love is that there was always heart from the very beginning.
I knew about the early casting of Pert Helton as Alice Kramden, but those early episodes on Dumont and CBS were believed to be lost forever. This is a very special privilege to watch these "rediscovered" early "Honeymooners" episodes.
@@LaptopLarry330 I must admit I don’t like the lost episodes. The jokes aren’t funny, the sound is off and the picture looks grainy.
@@janetmccoy7945 Dumont was a television network that was not known for spending money for good on-air talent, let alone script writers. Gleason still had faith in the concept, and also needed the show segment to fill time on the show, to save the network the cost of adding an additional music artist or acrobatic act every week (acrobatic acts were common on variety shows throughout the 1940s, 1950s, and 1960s). By the time Jackie Gleason finished out his contract with Dumont, and went to CBS, he got much better script writers, and more creative freedom for the direction of the show. As for the picture and the sound. that is the nature of how kinescopes are, especially ones that were either watched frequently, and sustained a lot of wear and tear, or were stored in bad heat and humidity environments.
As for audio synchronization issues, your Internet service provider, or being in an area where there is a lot of people accessing the Internet at the same time, may be the cause of that problem. Heavy Internet traffic affects me sometimes, and near the end of the month, my Internet service provider sometimes throttles my web surfing speeds downward, to facilitate traffic for higher-paying business Internet customers.
Growing up in Brooklyn I can relate so well....my dad was a loud mouth too...born in the 1949s I remember when we got our first tv, tiny screen, mom and dad, sister, 2 brothers and I...all sitting on the sofa, dog at.our feet, cat walking around.....those we the days, sitting on the firescape wit friends singing, mom hanging out the front window taking to neighbors hanging out there’s....sorry about young kids, they don’t know how to have fun with 2 cents...guess you could get penny candy at the store, or all your friends could chip there pennies or a nickel and we would buy a coke from the candy store and each take a drink
Wasn't just in Brooklyn lol
I grew up in the 70s in Canada and let me tell you my Dad rest his soul was a real loud mouth as much as Ralph or Archie Bunker lol
WPIX Channel 11 was always on in the Afternoon and for Yankee games ! Those were the days.
Boy, the TV sure didn't last from one sketch to the next!
I"ll never get used to not seeing Audrey Meadows as Alice but this does seem more realistic.
Yea same way I feel
Audrey was to hot for a fat bus driver lol, this lady played the crazy maid in later episodes
Thanks for the narrative.@@fish9905
We had a small set like that one.@@fish9905
I remember the Honey Mooners growing up and his show in the 1960s. Jackie Gleason once stated publicly that he stayed in a 400000 dollars Manson while filming in New York. Jackie Gleason also visit Muhammad Ali in his first fight against Sonny Liston at his training camp in Miami while filming his show the Jackie Gleason Show variety.
Thank you! I love the Honeymooners! I remember when we didn't have a television set, when we had an ice box instead of an electric fridge, when we had a two burner counter top gas stove, when we listened to radio shows, when we lived in one bedroom apartment, when our life was black and white... bittersweet memories. Real everyday people like Ralph, Norton and the girls. My forever neighbors and friends!
All this is before my time, but I do love retro.
@@jacquelineroque7594 No, in real like we had tv's, real refrigerators, the average American was big on appliances, mom had a wringer washer.
YOU SPEAK AS IF IT WAS 1933, EVERY PERSON I KNEW HAD TV, YOU WERE POOR IN A ONE BR APT, W HAD A NEW HOUSE. DAD HAD BEEN IN WW2 BEFORE I WAS BORN BUT WORKED TO GIVE A GREAT LIFE, vacations, lots of toys, dancing lessons, holidays, swings outside.
@@marilynwillett804 You had swings? We did too..across the street at the park where kids played and we had a free basketball ground too. We had no wealth to show off but we had friends, so many friends we didn't know what to do with them. Did you have any of those? You come across as a spoiled brat who always looked down on people less privileged than your majesty bragging about your dad's riches! Typical Karen behavior! We tasted life's all flavors and colors and today we live very comfortable and never bragged about our TV sets and cars. You know only arrogance. Congrats! I am especially impressed by the swings you have in your front yard!
He said that Art and Audrey both got emmy's but Jackie never got an emmy for his role?? What is up with THAT??
They were great weren’t they? If you like "The Honeymooners", here's a NEW audio comedy with Joyce Randolph ("Trixie"), as well as two NEW ghost stories right there on YT. Just click and enjoy: ruclips.net/video/Hex2ltykNTM/видео.html.
That's what I'd love to know, too! Wtf?
That’s why he hated Art Carney.
Competition was fierce with the likes of Red Skelton, Sid Caesar, Phil Silvers, Jack Benny, Milton Berle. These were established West Coast Stars, Hollywood people. Gleason was a Johnny-come-lately who had come into the game with the Fledgling DuMont television network, a largely East Coast out fit. No doubt he should have gotten at least one Emmy but like I said the competition was brutal.
@@36cmbr Well Dean Marten gave him a Roast and I think that meant a lot more to him-ruclips.net/video/Z17YMoodQ6M/видео.html&ab_channel=Smithshowmedia
This must of been revolutionary for TV in the 1950’s. Real life marriage! 😂
You didn't even SEE a toilet until Psycho in 1960, 1st flush ever!
I read that originally, Jackie was against Audrey for Alice but the producers won out.
Jackie felt that Audrey would be too strong willed for the part but that is utimately part of what made the show such a classic.
Barb5001~ Gleason thought Audrey Meadows was way too pretty to play "Alice", but ultimately cast her to play the part for the rest of the series...all 39 episodes!
He believe he thought she was much too pretty. So she re-auditioned looking a bit tattered & talked the working class talk. Won Jackie over.... Bang! Zoom!
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And here we have another RUclips bullshit fact by a person who must love to hear themselve talk !!!
Your comment is completely not true.
Jackie produced and wrote this an every single episode. Anybody that knows anything about jackie , knows that he got what he wanted and did anything he wanted.
Why make up and say stupid shit on here.
Audrey only got the part when she showed up for the audition dressed very down, hair up and no makeup. Jackie and the others couldn't believe it was the same woman they saw before that.
So great that you uploaded this - a total delight!!!
Hello Shirley, How are you doing?
Hey, does anyone remember when you had to light your gas cook stove with a match?
I do! But now I use a lighter. LOL
I still use matches to light mine.
LOL and tearing off strips from a paper bag to light the over. Damn near laying in the floor to reach into the broiler.
@@Deemememe When my grandmother was teaching me how to cook as a little girl, I was so scared of the fire, caught on and did it till I left for the military.
@@Deemememe I was always scared to light the oven. The broiler was on top of the stove. Great old Chambers Stove. Must have been made in the '40s and when I left home in the '80s it was still working great.
None of you never cooked on a wood burning stove. You actually had to chop the wood, carry it inside then put it in the stove. You had to know how much wood to put in so that it wouldn't be too hot or too low to cook the food. That's where flipping the cornbread over came from. In order for it to turn brown, it was best to flip it over because had it stayed inside the oven any longer it would have been brick hard. Now those were the days.😁
Thank You for bringing such joy to You Tube to Share with those of us that miss the past so much.
Ralph was much slimmer on here wow wow !!!!!!!!!!!!
He developed diabetes or a thyroid problem later on. Smh 💥
You so right.
Great video!!!! Yes I saw these, they are great. I love the Honeymooners!!! Thanks for the vids!!!!
Interesting to see these !
I love them all,but the 39 episodes are definitely the best.
I grew up watching the show in the 50's. Their place reminds more of the South Bronx where my grandparents lived than where I lived in the North Bronx. It always made me laugh. It still does, but the harshness of the characters is strong for me today. But, I get it. This is the stuff they brought out to the open that you weren't supposed to. It's a kinda gotcha we see you. Today, I don't think it would be so accepted. Anyway, we didn't use a chair for banging on the ceiling or floor. We used a broom.
It is supposed to take place in Bensonhurst, Brooklyn.
My favorite TV show of all times !!! Living in NYC & watching this show with my parents I will never forget & still watch all the episodes I acquired on DVD at least every other month.... I Love The Honeymooners !!!
Ralph looks Slim and Ed Norton as a Cop before working in the Sewers.
Denise Coore I'd say he upgraded!
Denise Coore Art Carney wasn't playing Ed Norton in this. The cop was a completely different character.
LOOKS SLIM? do you know what slim is?
@@marilynwillett804 He qualifies as slim, if you don't agree, like the saying goes. " THE EYES ARE THE FIRST TO GO"''
Yeah, but Norton was actually written as a policeman and Trixie was originally a former dancer with a different actress playing her.
The now so called "lost episodes" were skits the skits that started it all so they are good to see again and/or for the first time as "raw" as they are lol.
The Flintstones always reminded me of the honeymooners... Anybody else see the similarity? With the exception of Bam Bam and pebbles the dynamic seem to all be the same
Yes. Jackie Gleason actually considered suing Hanna-Barbera over the similarity, but his lawyers talked him out of it saying it would portray him as a bad guy to millions of kids, as well as grown ups. Good move on their part.
I saw it when I was 8 😂. (Born in 1964) honeymooners was like the number one rerun when I was little. Later I read it was in fact inspired by the honeymooners.
@@mikerca I just found out sally struthers was the voice of pebbles.. only I don't remember bebbles talking... I remember her making that burbling sound. Which makes sense. I never could understand much she said after all in the family...
I did not know that. Thank you.
The Flintstones were based off this show
Pert Kelton's voice a bit nasal for this show! Audrey Meadows was perfect for her role.
Agreed 100%
YEPPER!! HER VOICE MADE HER JUST SO, SO, OKAY! AUDREY MEADOWS WAS A MUCH BETTER FIT VOICE WISE!
Audrey Meadows was a fox! That’s why her voice sounded so good. If a person looks like that, They sound good!
People would have gotten tired with her nagging voice...
We are in accord. Pert Kelton’s voice is rather grating
They were really belligerent in these old ones. LOL
after 12 years of marriage common hahahahaha they were also very nice to each other when the fight was over. You can't be in Love with someone and never fight with them. The fighting was because they were worried and cared about each other. People still do this
Television's first married couple , The King and Queen of Bensonhurst , Bklyn . Truth be told , I never knew there was a first Alice that wasn't Audrey Meadows. After seeing her ....... I'm sorry she only did a few episodes .... She gave it back to Ralph as much as he gave it to her !!! LMAO.
That was Pert Kelton
Her husband signed as left wing and as a result of being married to him she was let go
I agree I preferred Perth (She had a certain authenticity about her, I loved it when she would threaten to go out the window, that was very realistic. To bad she had a bad heart- She would of been the one and only Alice -- Although, there was a 3rd Alice - They did a skit on The Jackie Gleason show from Miami Beach with Sheila Macrea, I liked her a lot, also. Audrey was okay but I think she had to work for it - Perth was a natural. Audrey told Joan Rivers that Jackie Loved Perth and was very upset she couldn't stay - He felt Audrey was too pretty and it took awhile for him to get use to Audrey.
@@eloiseockert6561 Being a Democrat wasn't the reason, She got put on Senator Joseph McCarthy's Red List, the McCarthy Hearing's (Pert Kelton played Alice Kramden on "The Honeymooners" before Audrey Meadows. Kelton lost her role because of fears around Communism. Kelton saw her name listed among other actors and entertainers in a book called "Red Channels: The Report of Communist Influence in Radio and Television." It was released on June 22, 1950, and listed 151 people in the 251-page book.) It was her name that was in the book. I though she had a Heart problem- How sad, Lucille Ball was on the list she voted communist because a grandparent had asked her too. Plus with her being married to Desi Arnaz If our country gives us the right to vote communist then those people shouldn't have been investigated. Especially violating our rights and checking who we voted for. If they don't want people in this country to vote Communist, fine, Don't allow it Socialism and Communism are the opposite of Capitalism so why allow people to vote in Socialism and Communism in a Capitalist country? -But researching people like Sen. Joseph McCarthy did was wrong. Plus they made a lot of mistakes some of the people on the list never voted that way. Mistaken Identity.
Pert played the mother of Shirley Jones and Ronnie Howard characters in the Musical classic The Music Man
Audrey lent a certain undefinable spark that this lady just doesn’t have, and her voice is kind of grating, in comparison with Alice’s sweeter one
Thats very true but the
first Alice looks and acts
like the kinda wife a Ralph
Kramden would have.
@@georgetirebiter6987 I agree. She also looks like she could kill Ralph if it came down to it.
@@tonypoore440 Ah! Getting into "brass tack" territory, eh? Yup. Pert's Alice could have murdered Ralph, for sure! She'd throw his big, fat ass right out the window!
That's a man!
That's what I enjoyed about Pert and their fight scenes were equal, Pert going out the window, was great and realistic. to bad Pert had heart problems, that's sad.
It's interesting seeing how their character's personalities changed.
I have always liked watching the Honeymooners on tv, but in 1997 while in the US Navy, I was very lucky. The ship I was on was at Dodge Island pier near Miami Beach where Jackie and the rest of the cast would preform in front of a live audience. Myself and a couple friends from the ship went to see their show. We were standing in line waiting to get in the theater when a lady approached us and told us to follow her, as we were in uniform. I could not believe it when she took all of us that were in uniform down to the first row of seats and sat us down. Shortly after Jackie and the rest of the cast came down and personally thanked each and everyone of us for our service to our country. I will never forget that, and have the greatest respect for all of those actors.
I think you have the year wrong. Perhaps 1967? Jackie passed in the 80s.
Was it his ghost ?
Sometimes my parents fought and did this,it was hard to see two people who loved each other,sometimes fighting like this,but they stayed together 38 years.
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Now , ,look at the snow flakes of today. One rough word and the cops are there.
I've seen people argue who really love each other, while those who never argue end up splitting up. There's often caring, which can cause arguments when feelings are hurt, with those who sometimes argue.
@@kathleennorton6108 It is said If you are truly in Love, you have to fight - It means you care and worry about that person . If you think you're going to get married and everything is going to be as great as your Honeymoon 12 years later , with money problems, kid problems, Pet Peeves etc It all builds after awhile and you explode this is why it's healthy to fight and the the best part about fighting is making up.
Taxi cab driver who delivers cereal, the very first "Uber Eats" lol
I wasn't born when this came out. I only remember Audrey Meadows. But this lady is really funny.
She sure is:).
Many people were not born then. I do not think she was in the other episodes.
@@Michelle-pn9xt Pert Kelton was Alice in The Jackie Gleason Show then when it was The Honeymooners they wanted Audrey Meadows
@@Michelle-pn9xt I was.
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