Alfa Romeo 4C coupe; the most collectible up and comer: Tim's Enthusiast Garage Season 3 Episode 3
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2020
- I almost missed the boat on the 4C. Almost. Luckily I drove one just as the coupe was ceasing production for the states. I was blown away with how much BETTER the car was than what I expected. Amazing package these 4Cs. I highly recommend you watching this and other videos on this vehicle and by all means DRIVE one. The coupe IS special. The driving experience is as involving as any car currently on offer and under 100mph it punches well above it's weight. Thanks for watching and please CLICK subscribe!
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Had a ‘15 4C, long story, but I ended up buying a 2020 911. I just traded the 911 on a new untitled 2019 Spider. Back in the saddle and love the purity of this criminally under-appreciated car.
S Schroeder they are truly something completely unique . Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment
your comment brings me joy :D
Shawnski’s Garage, as a racer, I would have to agree. I’ve had three 911 road cars, 1x964 back in the day, 2x997 - all high mileage. Loved ‘em, but the 4C is much more, well, ‘special’. It’s hardcore 🥰
I have LE #183 and its been an amazing car. No problems or issues at all. I am a former Elise SC owner and hands down the 4C takes the experience to the next level. Once the last of the 4C's are sold on the dealer's lots the values will start to climb. There are simply not enough cars available and this will become more apparent as demand increases in the used market. Take advantage while you can! *EDIT* forgot to mention there are two ways to fully see the digital display...first you can unbolt the seat and put it back at an angle with the front bolt in the top hole and the rear bolt in the bottom hole, which will also give taller people more headroom and gives a more comfortable seat back angle. If that's still not enough, go to the 4C forums and there is a thread that shows you how to easily shim the steering wheel adjustment with a few washers so that it will raise higher up and problem solved! Great video and hope this helps!
Thanks for your enthusiasm and note on seeing all of the display! I am doing the mod this weekend! Cheers and thanks so much for watching
Thanks for this !
I’m gonna look it up now.
Great review! He explains every reason why I purchased my 4C. I love my LE #441.
Congrats on making a GREAT decision. Thanks so much for watching!
you rock. I love mine as well :) I bought one of the last new (in Europe)
#195 ! wassssup fam
Do you drive it much or you keeping it new ?
I don't drive mine as much as I originally intended to. I usually drive my Fiat 500 Abarth as a DD. The 4C usually is a weekend and C&C car.
I love my Rosso Competizione 4C coupe!
I wasn't thrilled with the interior so I had the center console wrapped in leather with red stitching to match the rest of my car and it totally changed the plastic look of the interior. It looks 100% factory oem. I also had the A-Pillars wrapped in leather and upgraded the cheap plastic A/C controls to aluminum knobs.
Interesting. If you are On IG, tag me, I would love to see it
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage
Here's a link to some pics of my car. You can see many of the interior upgrades that I made. I don't have a pic of the Leather A-Pillars but you get the idea.
ibb.co/album/gZcL09
Those upgrades make it look so much more high end over the stock plastic. Also love the red carbon fiber switches. Nice work!
@@Jaysun1 omg. I want it exactly like yours. A dream
@@lucianolucidi8624 Thanks!
Great review, you nailed the essence of this great thing.
Thanks so much for watching and for taking the time to comment. Cheers!!
I agree on You, column mounted shifters always a better solution. This car still one of the beautiest production car ever made. Forever Classic
I think the thing I love the most about the car is the carbon fiber tub. It’s something you only see in super cars or hyper cars which are way above the average person’s budget where as this is still affordable and you get the super car aesthetics.
Lets Go Flo yes!!
and it never gets old
Another wonderful review. Congrats on the new to you 4c
Thanks so much !
This car is absolutely crazy.. most bang for the buck any ‘’real enthusiast’’ can have out there right now. Just can’t describe how much driving pleasure my 2016 spider provides 😁. Get em while you still can!
Yes!!
you speak the truth :D
Great review! Honest ,with the correct approach and behaviour. My compliments. An the car is Beautiful!!!
Thank you so much for watching !!
Awesome review man, love the video and the car! I have a 2018 coupe and couldn't be more pleased with getting it! The 4C is definitely one of the most exciting pure driver's cars in years.
Thanks a million for watching and for your comment! Enjoy your 4C !!
Owing one as u do and I agree 100% . And when ever drive it on a track it will impress u way more than u imagine . It is just fun !!!
I look forward to it !
I want her sooo bad 😍😍😍 Cant wait to see this beauty on my driveway someday
Glad I found the review it's the best 4C review I have found from an enthusiast who understands what it is.. I want one. Time to sell a few toys.
You will Not be disappointed. Get the coupe. It’s sexier and I think that counts for a lot :)
I stopped by Tim's shop and saw this AR in person, what a beautiful car. Tim is such a cool guy, took time out to talked shop with us and even gave us a sneak peek of one of his build's in progress. I would love to tell more but we are sworn to secrecy.
Thanks so much for stopping in and for taking the time to watch and comment ! Cheers my friend , it was a pleasure meeting you!
Bang on review Tim. I live in Australia and I’ve just traded my 08 Maserati GRANTURISMO for LE#53 (of 88). Just 4,000klms on the clock. I figured it’s a win win all round.....beautiful to look at, beautiful to drive, beautiful to listen to and I have no doubt it will start appreciating in the not too distant future as Alfa have announced they are no longer making it. The 4C is rare and the LE rarer still. Has all the hallmarks of a future classic. Ps also just ordered the F1 racing team jacket you’re wearing.
Mate!! This is great to hear! I’ll shoot you straight, I was so excited when the Maserati GT came out and I just never fell in love with it. I kept my GS (which I still love) and the Quattroporte. I always liked the look but didn’t love the experience. As far as the 4C, it has been an absolute joy to own. I have been driving it the past few days and just gave it a bath a few hours ago. What a car! It is so beautiful, almost timeless. A classic for sure! I really appreciate you taking the time to comment. Enjoy your car !! Cheers!
Accurate review. I own one and I love it. Went from the Porsche world to this and I am staying for a while. Too much fun. Thanks Tim you get IT. Cheers
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! Brilliant cars
welcome to Alfa family :D
Great review, one of my dream cars :)
I hope you can attain it. It’s a worthy dream. One of the best cars of recent time
I’ll consider acquiring a 4c after watching this awesome video
Thanks so much for watching
Finally some one that gets the car! and doesn’t Poke at radio and plastic knobs etc, it’s all about driving experience and after driving porches and bmw nothing compared to how this car made me feel so I had to buy one. Great review of car!
clint h wow, thanks so much for your comment! Yes, people get stuck on the most inconsequential items. I think the radio is way more than what I would expect. I feel like when I turn it on I’m not driving it hard enough :)
Just bought one last week… I adore it
I’m glad you pulled the trigger. Such a special car
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Agreed 👍
Dope dope channel and content especially your collection and taste in cars. Salute !! From 937 Dayton 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
Thanks man! I have been to Dayton Cars and Coffee a few times. Hope to make it again. If you see me, say hullo!
This is a special car
Thanks for watching! I 100% agree
Great review, very informative and knowledgeable, it’s one of the best reviews in existence. I sold my Rossi comp coupe and I regret it!
Thanks so much for watching and for your kind words! I’m curious, what did you replace your coupe with?
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage hi, I bought a Maserati GranTurismo MC Stradale!
@@mikedstringer that’s a great car as well. Hard to call that the wrong choice. Although, having both would be great too 😝 cheers and enjoy your Italian !!
Tim, I watched your video 3 years ago when it first came out and was convinced that I had to have a 4C…and I did buy one shortly after. It popped up in my feed again and thoroughly enjoyed watching it again…oh and I agree re the TCT, I was a sceptic but I don’t believe that it would be a better driving experience as a manual. Cheers…Chris
Great to hear! Thanks for watching and enjoy your 4C !
love my alfa coupe'
Antonio Talarico you are one of the fortunate few! Thanks for watching !
Spot on review. Really touched on all aspects of this beauty.. And yes the paddles are just a miscalculation on Alfas part. Cheap feeling small and on the wheel. Other then that it is already a beautiful classic.
Thanks so much for watching ! I am happy to say none of the joy of driving or love of the car has changed since this video was produced. Cheers !
This my dream car. I've wanted one since high school. I have about another 6-8 years before I can afford one.
Keep saving!! It’s so worth it my friend !
Love my column mounted shifters on my Giulia Ti Sport
Column mounted is the way.
Awesome review! Photographs cannot do this car justice, it always looks so much better in the flesh (sorry composite). This just proves, why you dont need a V16 engine with a gazillion horse power to enjoy a dynamic car. This is Alfa employing Colin Chapman's philosophy of 'just add lightness'. This is why I have started using an image of this car at the start of my youtube videos.
Thanks so much for your comment and for taking the time to watch! Yes, these cars are amazing and remind us how lightness is an essential missing ingredient in most modern cars. Cheers!
great review, thank you! One of the most beautiful and special cars ever. Yes, a Future Classic. But most important: Numbers don't describ the amount of fun with the Car!
So true ! Thanks for watching
and I can confirm that
The 4C looks incredible inside and out. Love the Dallara carbon tub. Unfortunately the driving experience left me wanting more. The Cayman is just a lot more fun to drive. It will still be a future classic regardless. Absolutely love the looks.
Thanks so much for your comment! For whatever reason I never bonded with the Cayman. I did really enjoy the Cayman R and GT4 but I feel like Porsche intentionally holds back greatness on that platform. The Boxster is weirdly more enjoyable to me probably because the chassis is a bit less composed due to lower rigidity. I think what I just said is the Cayman is too good lol. It needs more power because the chassis is absolutely one of the best made when it comes to mechanical grip. Hmm. Maybe I can fit a Cayman in the garage after all 🤔 cheers and thanks so much for watching!
my son owns one and he loves it
Great video! I agree with you. The 4C is an amazing car built for a true driving enthusiast. The car was built beauty, lightness, fun and the total connection to the road. No other car will ever be built like this. Prices are going up and supply is going down since the production stopped. Grab one now before they become unattainable. BTW I own one and a Lotus Elise SC, best of both worlds...one turbo, dual clutch and the other one supercharged manual gearbox.
Robocop 305 having those two cars is just about perfect. Thanks so much for watching and for your very insightful comment
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Thank you Tim! I'm blessed to be able to currently own these two cars. Amazing machines and the last of its breed.
@@robocop3059 blessed indeed my friend !!
An honest review my friend. If comparos" & the need to question this machine, then you just don't get why & what it what built for
There's an Alfa dealer in Victoria British Columbia where you can get a choice of three different tunes if anyone wants more power.
I will eventually be getting a tune. People go mental on mods with these. I come from the mod world and have wrecked the reliability of many a car. Probably will do an Intercooler and a tune and that’s it
My 4c gets it’s Maintanence done at Alfa Victoria, great crew there Ben is awesome
February, 2023 (2+ years after this video was made) I have a 2020 4C spider.... not an LE, but well-equipped with the factory Akropovic exhaust, premium sound, and factory backup camera. I'm slowly adding factory carbon pieces, bit by bit. Not a day goes by that I don't just "stare" at it, and marvel at how beautiful this car is.
You hit the nail on the head when you said "You're going to regret not owning one of these while they are still attainable".
Since being discontinued in 2020.... well preserved, reasonable-mileage examples are already selling for MORE than they cost new. Collectors are scooping them up QUICK. Why? Because they know.
In total, they made 9100 cars, worldwide.
Rewind to the mid 2000s - A Lotus Exige. New around $70k. Now?? If you can even FIND a clean one, that hasn't been wrecked, or has a salvage title, or hasn't been completely converted into a full-blown racecar?? You're looking at nearly TRIPLE their original cost.
..... and they made 11,000 Exiges..... which shared the same platform as 36,000 Elises. 47,000 platforms total...
In 2020... Lamborghini announced it's 20,000th Huracan.
Again.... only 9100 Alfa Romeo 4Cs were ever made (including both coupes and Spiders).
I would GENUINELY not be surprised..... if clean examples of the 4C exceed $250,000 in the next 10 years. Call me crazy.... but I believe it.
Great thoughts here. It’s incredible how there is literally NOTHING even close on the market now for even double the price. The new Lotus Emira is close but heavier and more money. These cars are hidden gems, glad you made the discovery!
Easily one of the most stunning eye catching cars available today especially in its price bracket. Angry Italian GoKart with all kinds of sex appeal.
Angry Italian go kart is going on a t shirt . Just you wait !
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Angry Italian GoKart has now been TM'd
Great job on this video. Ironically Alfa put column mounted paddles in the Guilia and Stelvio. Odd they opted to leave off on the 4C. I owned a new 2017 White 4C Coupe and traded it in for a Stelvio Quad. Since then I have also owned 2021 M2 and 2022 M3. All amazing cars, but none of the aforementioned have put a grin on my face like the 4C. Found a gorgeous low mileage Spider and looking forward to getting back in the saddle. If you're thinking about a 4C you won't regret it.
Thanks so much for adding your real world experiences here with other cars! Appreciate it and thanks for watching
Paddles SHOULD be on the wheel - one grip on a car like this, race style - want to shift whilst I have lock. It’s NOT better on the column 😀
.. other than that, great review 👍 x
That looks just like my car. 2015 Alfa Romeo 4C Red Launch Edition. :) Words can't describe how ridiculous this car is. It isn't a sports car... It is a true race car! #60 / 500 Launch Edition.
I still feel like we are all in on a secret that so many enthusiasts missed. Lucky us! 🍀 ☘️
I”m a racer, on track days I drive everything - at the race school we have Ferrari, McLaren, Aston - etc. I drove the 4C and immediately wanted one for myself. It is properly special. Actually I think it is the 246 Dino of our age. Admittedly I drove a sorted one, (Alfa Works UK steering mod.), but I really loved. Big horsepower is only essential for people who cannot really drive - this has enough of everything.
Well said and a worthy endorsement!
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Tim, only one thing - the paddles should ALWAYS be on the wheel - stupidest thing is having to take your hands OFF when you are short shifting exiting a corner with lock on … 👍 x
@@TheFabulousTrackPack I wish I agreed. I’m trying to get there
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Persevere 😊 whenever I drive cars with the paddles on the column, I think they are stupid beyond belief 😄 x
I agree with the column preference. Hell I think any modern car built even with the slightest amount of performance must have column mounted shifters.
Glad you agree. I have continued to drive this car since the video and it is still something that I think is a huge miss. Thanks for watching !!
agree also
Love mine....never parting with it.
Same mate!
...been into Alfa s for more than fifty years. My earlier hots were the Lancia Stratos, and the TZ.....this machine is faster, handles better, gets better mileage, and is beautiful.......viva ALFA !!!!
This is kind of how I feel. It is like we almost don’t realize just how GOOD we have it!
I appreciate the 60fps video
Trying to do what I can. It always shocks me how much compression youtube adds even if you upload the largest most high res file on the planet. Curiously the commercials are always super HD 🤣 thanks for watching man!!
I am shopping and would appreciate opinions on coupe or soft top. Thank you for a thoughtful review. I had the opportunity to buy a Dino for under $50,000 and talked myself out if it. Even if this does not appreciate like that car did, this has the ELEMENTS of the Dino that peeked my interest in a modern car that can be enjoyed (driven) guilt free. Would not be surprised...
For me I think the coupe is the clear choice. There are more spiders and deals can be had. The spider is just about as rigid and gives you more sky and noise. Tough call. Coupe gets my vote!
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate the great work you do but have never commented before. You have a unique “voice” amongst the sea of car reviewers. I am in the hunt for a 4C now. Good work. I was a whisper away from purchasing a GT3 RS, but to fully appreciate that car safely, requires a trip to the track. Maybe 2 or 3 times a year if I’m lucky. I am one of those guys who must work very hard for the money and have the time for a drive in the countryside far more frequently. I believe this is an “any speed” car and will scratch the itch. Any strong suggestions of what to look for and what to avoid?
I am dying to get my hands on one! I've driven the Launch Edition and the Spider and I'm sold on the Launch Edition in Rosso Alfa. Just need to decide if I want to keep my 997 911S one more year or not... I guess I can always find another 911; the 4C not so much!
Both are great cars. The 4C has an immediacy that the 997 lacks. The 997 is brilliant in its own right. That would be a tough choice. I would go for the 4C as they are still new and have one of the best steering feels on any car ever. Cheers! And thanks for watching.
I have previously owned a 996 C4S and a 997S, both awesome cars and I love the feeling and looks of a 911. Porsche makes a great car, in fact my daily is a 15' Panamera GTS. The 4C by comparison to the 997S is much more raw and direct, as you probably noticed. The feeling of speed as the payment rushes by just in front of your windshield is unlike any other car on the road, exceptions to the Elise/Exige and Ariel Atom. However, keep in mind the 997S is a much easier car to live with on a daily basis. Good luck, hope you find your LE! I have LE #183 and its been awesome!
One of my favorite 4c reviews. Finally someone that speaks in proper automotive terms. I have to throw in a bit of an argument to it though. The build quality in terms of engineering aspect is very poor. Once you get under the skin of this thing you see things and you would lhink a 16 year old designed it. I know because I did a full restoration on mine. Amazing car but if you are a gearhead that likes to turn wrenches, you better have patience and self discipline (and a DD to run to Alfa dealer as it will become your daily errand).
I have had all the panels off mine, I’m curious what aspects you feel are poor quality or design? Thanks for watching and for enjoying the review !!
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage grilles are attached with those cheap clips, hood is a disaster to remove and replace as window seal is in the way, delicate felt liners, air vents are attached with 4mm nuts, side sills are glued and are almost impossible to remove without damaging them (new sill is like $8500), rear bumper is very delicate as well, side markers are attached with wood screw like nuts, door panel clips break, no visual references for reinstalling door seals, taillights are held by wood scews, ect. Not to mention italians couldn't find 10mm bolts with big enough washers so they stalk additional washers. It took me a year to give this car a new fresh paint it deserved. My car had a door and fender replaced due to accident but the rest of it needed touch up that eventually escalated to a full respray. Oh one more thing, don't you ever try taking factory ppf from the rear bumper corners, it will take the flat gray paint along with it.. sorry for the rant haha
proportion wise it reminds me of the lancia stratos.
I see that !
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage compare the glass between the two
Sitting in the mid 40ks now with 15kish miles on them this car punches way above its class.
Troph2 yes!
4C is beautiful...I have a 2017 mazda miata. I am looking into upgrading it. But not 100% sure if it is going to be worth it. As the basis for a Miata is also being a lightweight and a nimble car. It does not have great power but nor does the 4c. Miata to me feels like a better everyday driver vs 4C being hardcore.
I drove the Abarth 124 Spider and latest Miata. They aren’t comparable to the 4C in terms of feel. I recently did the EC phase 2 tune and intake and dropped nearly a second off my 0-60 time with the app I use to track performance in cars I drive for magazines. In terms of seat of things like breaking, cornering speed/ g force etc the car feels a couple notches above the pace of either of those other cars. That being said, I probably wouldn’t daily drive something as uncompromising as a 4C. Getting groceries and running errands makes much more sense in a Miata. In the 4C the luggage area gets quite warm so That is a serious demerit. The Miata I drove “seemed” much less fun than the 124 and that was likely down to the Fiat’s turbo power delivery. In terms of upgrades I know there is loads available. The stock suspension is much less aggressive than the 4C, perhaps that could be a good start. Cheers and thanks so much for watching
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Saw that you were in Ohio; I am in Cincy...would love to meet and also would love to chat about 4C...Could also bring the miata:)
@@r8world once I get my ECU back from Euro Compulsion I will post here and let you know. You are welcome to swing up any time. My son goes to UC so I am occasionally in CInn too. Cheers
The reason I chose the 4C over its competitors from Lotus, Porsche, Alpine, etc., is it's got one of the 10 most beautiful looks of all time, unlike the others the aura of which would wear off as new models come out.
However, the location of the TFT panel looking through the steering wheel....it's only good for people who grow their arms up from the ears. Never get the right view regardless of the seat position.
There is a simple mod that uses a few washers to raise the steering wheel tilt. It's on the 4C forums, go check it out if you're interested in adjusting it to solve your problem. And the seat mod works as well for most people, but it requires removal of the seat...not just adjusting the seat back position lever. Front hole set at the top and rear set at the lowest hole. Good luck!
@@Matt77346 Thanks, I'll check out the 4C Forums!
This is a car that I am seriously thinking about having in my collection, I usually have much older cars, save for my Mini GP1 and GP2, and I have never owned an Alfa Romeo, however, my insticts are, that I should get one, although the spider seems to have more appeal, which goes against your advice Tim.
I have watched some reviews where they lean towards the soft top being the better car, but surely that would lose some of the ridigity that the coupe provides?
First off, thanks so much for watching. I would be honored if you would hit the subscribe button. Secondly and perhaps interestingly the Spider has nearly the same rigidity. With cars like the 996/997 that number is half the coupe value and so it makes it much less desirable and in many ways a totally different proposition. In this case it’s within 5% of the coupe because they use the same carbon tub. In terms of collectibility I don’t think it’s anywhere near as collectible as the Coupe. Coupe represents 30 -35% of the total cars brought to the states . Visually the rising glass cover , slightly more exotic profile and timelessness of the overall roof line / design is more evocative IMHO. Then there is the drive. Well, all things being equal, having the top off WILL afford you less buffeting than windows down in the coupe. That is one potential plus, you are even closer to the noises which is also a plus. Spiders will continue the price slide to a lower point which could be a pro/con depending on perspective. based on the degree of that slide I may very well add a white/red leather spider to the mix in the next few years. At the end of the day however, I will never love it the way I love the coupe because it looks so much less special.
Having owned both the Elise and Exige I can indeed confirm both are rousing drives. However, that coupe profile wins the day every time. I hope this helps! Lmk if you have any other questions. Cheers!
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage I already subscribed yesterday when I commented on your Fiat X19 video.
I will take your comments on board, food for thought, I might have a few questions for you in due course.
I have a Coupe. The basic structure is the same, because of the carbon tub. Like the Spider, the Coupe lacks any conventional roof structure. Both use a tub-bolted aluminium roll bar behind the seats for roll protection. As you could probably infer, the structural rigidity and driving feel is practically the same between the two body styles. You can choose what you want simply based on open-air and aesthetic preference.
superchan7 my commentary is based primarily on the look of the coupe. It looks better to my eye and will be the one to have long term. The Spider drives great to be sure
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage For sure, I actually have a white/red seats 2015 Coupe. My favourite combination and I have never seen another one for sale since!
Question for the alfa enthusiast.... I have two 2015 4c tri coqt red . One is launch with 11 thousand miles and other is base with 3500 miles.. which would you park to hold and keep new ?
Wow! First off, congrats. Beat colour imho. The launch edition coupes will be the ones to eventually climb so if I was going to keep one perfect, it would be that one. The other one, tune, lower, mod, track as you see fit !
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage thanks for the advice . I literally have been beating myself up over which to drive a lot. I feel the same way you do about the launch. Mine is 32 of 500. In Australia I guess they are already over 140k and climbing . My wife thinks I'm nuts owning two of them. I literally just bought them last week and dam I'm in love.
@@justobey733 there is nothing else even close.
Looks good from some angles. From the side, it's just too stubby.
I hear ya. Thanks for watching !
I know someone local who would love to drive it.....
I can likely arrange that :-)
Was the rear spoiler an option
Yes it was. Most the LE cars have it.
I want to love it and I'm an Alfa guy, but the lack of manual kills it for me. I rode in one and between the engine tone and the fact that all you do is flip the plastic paddles, I concluded it wasn't engaging enough for me. I'd rather drive my old Alfetta. Sounds better and more engaging.
I am going to assume you have the V6. Those sound brilliant so while I enjoy all the noises from this car I love an Alfa V6. in terms of interaction, this car is so much faster and more capable, has such high cornering forces that to suggest it isn’t an ultra engaging experience is to suggest you didn’t properly sample it. I love a manual but I can list 20 modern performance cars that are no less engaging despite their lack of a stick in the middle of a car. Thanks for watching, enjoy your Alfa!
Tim's Enthusiast Garage Nope, just a Nord with one small muffler and sounds great. I could be persuaded if you want to come give me a ride and let me drive! From the passenger seat of the one I rode in, a few simple paddle flicks and we were doing 80+. Hard to explore the limits on public roads. I’m sure it would be a hoot and way more fun than mine on the track, but with no stick and clutch to command the orchestra with throttle blips, it didn’t seem there was much to do on streets. It’s drop dead gorgeous and I wanted to like it, but it left me a little flat. Wish it weren’t the case as it’s a form I’d absolutely love pulling out of the garage! At the end of the day, I’m more driving enthusiast than car enthusiast.
Hi. Do you think 4C Spider will be less colectible despite it has been made only 2500-3000 ?
Ultimately yes I think so. Elise vs Exige is a rough comparison. The coupe looks a lot more pure / exotic imho. Several coupes have recently sold quite high on the open market .
I think 4C in both variants looks superb, and performance is the same . But Elise and Exige have much more diffrences between them . Like engine , 1.8r4 in Elise but Exige has 3.5v6 , so I'm not surprised that Exige has better value 😊
@@lukaszmajewski2757 in the end , by all means by the one you like best!
I have a granturismo Mc convertible, qp gts 2011 and an 05 gransport...love them all and want one of these...I'm 6'3, do you think I will be comfortable in it? You look over 6 but I'm not sure...I've always wanted to drive one
Robert Comella I am 6’2” , 33inch inseam and 260-265 currently. I fit no problem and usually drive with the wheel at full extension and the seat one click from the back wall. This a coupe looks amazing parked next to my Masers. This is a car you should certainly consider given current pricing. Cheers and thanks for watching!!
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage thanks...keep up the great videos...I love the gransport video
It will put you in the hospital 🏥 as it’s just too small “
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage I’d like to see a video of you getting out “ Post it
@@Braglemaster123 I’ll post one to my IG story, do you follow me on Instagram? Let me know your name and I’ll tag you in it
Hello fellow 4C owners jumping from 4C video to 4C video...
Hopefully you enjoy mine :) thanks for watching! I would appreciate the sub should you be so kind . Cheers !
Indeed, same as you . I really enjoy my 2017 coupe. Grey with red seats. beautiful and fun. At night i watch 4C videos.
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage it was great
@@jndevelopment5986 addiction
You've clearly invested a bunch into your production value. Have you considered moving to a better microphone setup? You have an echo and can be hard to hear at times
Shoots rarely go as planned. I have a new episode coming out soon where we used a different rode mic. At this shoot the fitting for the lav wouldn’t work with the camera. Cheers, still trying to make it better .
Totally agree with your comments regarding the transmission, interior quality and performance figures. Many (other) ppl simply don't get it, discussing irrelevant stuff like storage space(!) to justify docking marks for this car...it's a SPORTS car, not a luggage hauler smh LOL!
There's a neat DIY thread in the 4C forums that might be useful for you to better adjust the steering wheel:
www.4c-forums.com/threads/how-i-improved-the-tilt-angle-of-the-steering-wheel.63173/#post-1031991
Subbed and nice jacket btw!👍
SpendingTimeTogether thanks so much my friend! Yes, the amount of random unimportant people site as “issues” this this package are ridiculous. Storage space and radio are non factors. People also complain “no manual”. Drive one, you will be too busy pinning it in corners to complain . Cheers and thanks for watching and for the steering wheel adjustment!!
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage No sweat, bro, and, yup, total non-factors to real enthusiasts! Btw, another gripe from me of these so-called car journalists is their dissing the "heavy"/"twitchy" manual steering. Well, they aren't supposed to be turning the wheel when the car's not moving anyway, as it puts stress on the parts+bald patches on the tires! ...and I thought manual is as pure as it gets, you feel everything on the road, shouldn't that be ideal? Anyway, great choice in the 4C, hope to see more!
indeed. but anyway, from my experience, for 2 people on road trip the trunk plus some space behind the seats is more than enough
@@ontheroadalfaandi9418 Yup, agreed, how much space do ppl realistically need?
I personally dislike paddles on the column. Prefer to the wheel itself
Interesting. Do you do any track time? Just curious
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage I do maintain carving. Not much tracking
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Definitely prefer wheel as well, although it's rare, it's much easier to shift when your wheel is somewhat turned (e.g when tracking out)
It kills your back getting out “
I had an Exige prior to this. This is like getting in and out of an A8L by comparison 🤣
Just stay in then! [;>)
If only they offered a manual transmission!!! ... would have sold tons of them.
I honestly don’t see it as a huge hindrance but, yes, everything is better with a manual. Also, your account name cracks me up 😂
The only thing about this that's bad, is that it was built for the enjoyment of driving, yet it doesn't have a manual.. so the people who this was built for it who really just love driving didnt buy it and bought a car with a manual instead, and the people who only care about laptimes didn't buy it, in favor of a faster car. So it flopped. The only people that bought it are Alfisti's which makes it a future classic, but it's a shame, they probably would've sold the Quadrifoglio version they designed had it done better
Plausible. I think it is brilliant with the dual clutch. That clover leaf version looked to be pretty hot . Cheers and thanks for watching !
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage course! Keep it up!
Please don't record in that huge open space without a pin mic as it's just echo and unable to concentrate on what's being said. Had to turn off. And I love this car soooo.
Recorded with Rode shotgun mic. Thanks for trying. Cheers.
yeh but Chris harris gave it a strange review. he said the porsche cayman was a better car but whats nice about alfa is that its not just another porsche. Not the best review.
I liked his review but I think it missed some of the magic or the car . I have driven every Cayman, I still have my 4C and no Cayman
I still have 987.1 CS and 15 4C, when the cayman was stock the 4C was a much engaging car to drive. Now my 987.1 weighs 2900 lbs with new coilovers, dropped 2 inches all around, negative cambers front and back, and using 200 thread tyre….its a blast but the steering and lightness of the of 4C and how much it responds to your inputs is unbelievable…full focus required. My modified 987.1 responds less in side to side transition due to added weight. There is really a magical thing happening on a very light car.
Tim. Great thoughts and impression video - I've subscribed - but please, do me a favor. Never say "RPMS" again. It is inaccurate and sounds unpolished.
Thanks for subscribing the channel. What would like me to stay instead of “7,200 rpms” ? Happy to take the feedback! Cheers
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage If you think about it, "Revolutions per minute" is RPM, whereas "RPMs" should indicate plurality: "The engine hesitates at several different RPMS, but not at 3000 RPM." (I'm an automotive engineer and hear this everyday, lol)
@@ScotDouglas ok. Well, I will certainly take this under advisement. Personally it’s not as cringy as, “what is the VIN number?” Which would be vehicle identification number number. Hahaha. I hear that one quite often. I appreciate your candor, cheers!
Too slow of a video, you said to watch it and even in 1.5X its still too slow to watch. Make your point faster and maybe you can get more watchers
I was just thinking, “you know what would be great? A critique by someone with 500 subs🤔” 🤣 I appreciate the input but according to all the analytics shorter videos don’t perform in this format. Cheers!
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage Only at it for 9 months.... I see you have been around a lot longer. I do it for fun, but since I have been around a set and part of productions, keeping the audience interested matters. Slow feeling videos tend to lose interest. Mind you, I am averaging 1000 watch hours every 28 days, so I must be doing something right with only 560 subs. ;)
@@TodayIWorkOn great work.
It's a drivers car not a hyper car. Your never gonna get a 900kg car doing 2seconds 0 to 60
And that’s ok
@@TimsEnthusiastGarage yes couldn't agree more
I think the technical aspects of this car make it awesome, with the carbon fiber tub and the potential to upgrade the stock car is excellent at the price. The problem I have with your review is your praise of the ascetic design.
This car's looks are horrendous! The front end is far too round, both headlight variants are absolute trash looking and the front grille triangle is too small and the other two vents in the front grille are oddly shaped. The ridges across the hood are too pronounced and contrast the rest of the design language too much and make it look disjointed. Lastly, the side pods are horribly shaped and should be rounder to match the curves of the car at least. The only saving grace of the car's look is the solid rear end, which isn't perfect either.
All that said, I'm still probably going to pick one up soon as the features of it are quite cool and its unique. But to say the design is timeless... no. The 33 Stradale was timeless, the 8C is pretty timeless, the 4C looks like hot garbage, and its a damn shame too.
Man. I appreciate you taking the time to articulate your distaste for the looks. I completely disagree, especially with the hot garbage comment, but to each his own. The 8c is arguably more perfect and beautifully proportioned but for me the 4C is lovely. Cheers!