I dunno about that Phil. You should understand being such a retro fanatic yourself, but I know if I saw an Altair 8800 at a friend's house I'd be all over it. Kinda defeats the purpose of a sleeper PC don't ya think?
I've seen enough of Phil's videos to know that's only half in jest. He'd do it himself if he had a good opportunity, and I'd most likely watch the build video too.
Actually, what you're looking for a ghetto pc that is secretly a crysis-slayer cdn.overclock.net/e/e9/464x337px-LL-e98a1759_funny_pictures_ghetto_computer.jpeg
I think I prefer the notion of asking whether the computer is Tetris Complete. In short "Can you implement Tetris on it?". A surprisingly large number of systems pass. Those that fail usually fail because they either don't have enough room on screen for a full play area (10 wide by 20 high) or lack some way to repaint part of the screen. Even older, is the notion of Adventure Complete, meaning you can port the old text-adventure classic Colossal Cave Adventure to it. I suspect the Altair _would_ pass that one.
bimer2000 Right there with you. For a moment it was like: WHAAAT!!! Tear the guts out of a poor little innocent original classic Altair 8800 and stick filthy modern PC parts inside just to play Crysis?!? Insanity! Madness!!! Triggered nerds of the Internet and RUclips comments section! Grab your pitchforks and flaming torches! Burn the heretic! Burn it with fire! 😲 However, having then watched a few more seconds of the video, my initial horrified reaction had been negated, now that I know that it's just a perfectly good reproduction that's actually designed to do that sort of thing. So LGR, you are forgiven. This time.
Whatever you do, don't contact support about it, I bought the very same board and complained to support about not getting a tomahawk, next thing I see a Tomahawk Land Attack Missile making its way to my house and blowing every single thing up... except for the board and everything connected to it
It would be nice to see someone make 70s-inspired versions of modern devices. And I mean ones you can actually buy and use, not just stuff for the sake of being artistic (though that is a worthy goal in itself).
They should absolutely make an standard ATX mainboard compatible case version of this where the switches in front could be just for show (or to control the RGB lighting inside with having a plexiglass top or something)
Hey Clint, Just wanted to say I like your little pop-in thing you did in this video. Made it feel even higher quality than what you already put out. Loved the video. Love the idea of playing crysis on an altair that would be pretty amusing.
The bios update thing happened to my friend who JUST built his computer too. The solution was, indeed, drinking whiskey until a cheap processor of the previous generation was shipped to his house.
But my gaming pc needs to be hazardous to touch or else it's not a gaming pc. All of the corners need to be spikes and all the spikes need to be corners!
That's awesome. Many people will say "out with the old, in with the new", but no, this is LGR, where we say "screw it, let's just be crazy and combine 'em".
I've played PC games for 20 years and never cared for the "Gamer" specific hardware. I bought a MSI Z270 PRO that has exactly zero gaming bs but all the overclocking. PS Except Logitech gaming mice. Nothing else comes close.
Even the cheap boards. Like I just have a cheap b350, but it's marketed as "gaming" like yeah ok throw some red leds and some camo patterned pcb, and I guess that makes it a gaming board
The aesthetic has been shifting with a lot of them to look powerful but sleek, being a bit more minimalist both on the hardware itself and the box. I like that for the most part, though I still do love my heatsinks to look like some sort of giant alien technology lol
You're thinkin' too small man. Snoop the Altair's buses and use the PC as a video card. Watch for writes to an area of ram and use it as a buffer to create a screen image in a PC window. There's a whole bunch of ways you can do that:
I'm not talking about that. Every modern motherboard has a serial port, usually near the USB3 header. Check the motherboard's website. You could even use that port to program an Arduino with a chip like the MAX3232 to convert it to TTL logic
I like watching twitch sometimes ppl making PC. Before that, I scared to even try. Clint shows the beauty of old tech and new in this episode. But this is one of the reasons I like watching his videos. Came for the sims reviews stayed for this.
Zip ties holding a floppy power button, velcro holding the PSU, a spliced power cord, a closed box with almost no ventilation, no real storage (128GB goes quick) ... I can keep going... He earned his channel name in this one. He at least drilled holes for the motherboard standoffs. I suppose he could have just velcro'd that down as well... This was sub-Verge-tier PC building, so don't use it as a tutorial. As a lazy guy throwing parts loosely in a box, it's fine, but this is a horrible example of how to do anything.
I wanted to do that, but the AltairClone is bloody expensive :( edit : Apparently the people who makes these were planning on selling special back panels to accommodate the power supply and I/O, but it looks like that never came to be.
I've always been a lurker, basement computer user. Never really comment. This is the best You-Tube channel in existence. I'm 45 years old, so I have lived this computing experience. I remember getting a paper route just so I could buy a Commodore Vic-20. Nerd love points to you, lifetime achievement award.
Awesome video! For future reference: check out Pico PSUs on Amazon. Since you aren't using a dedicated graphics card one of those would have been sufficient and wayyyy smaller.
as long as your GPU does not require extra power from the PSU you can get away with running one from a Pico PSU, and even a lower end AMD R7 card with 2GB of ram would be a big step up from the INTEL graphics. Hell I use to run 2 EVGA 9500GT 1GB cards in SLI that required no extra CPU power, and ran Crysis at 1680 x 1050 on medium settings with 58-62 FPS.
That would be a PERFECT machine to act as a server for all your other retro games. Put an SD reader velcro'd to the front or side so you can remove/add games and maybe even use it to convert disk images to other formats (IE convert those actual disks you find into floppy images or ISOs.)
Especially since new holes needed to be drilled regardless, a refurbished pre-built system would have been an even more budget option. It would have given budget overhead for a slim 750(Ti). But upgrading the power supply and CPU cooler could still be worthwhile to keep it running quieter.
Memories... I remember seeing one the cover of Popular Electronics magazine and saying this is gonna changes things. At the time I was managing a data center with a Honeywell Model 58 which in a way was my "Personal Computer". This is an excellent build, thanks. Keep Broadcasting!
Silly names for processors seems to be a common thing in the x86 space. Pentium, Itanium (technically not x86, but still a silly name), Core iWhatever, Athlon, Phenom, they've both been doing it for ages. Doubly so for their numerous codenames. Way too many to list.
I used to have two Altair 8800b's back in the day. One was the original with the front panel, the other was the business-oriented turnkey model with the Pertec 14-inch 5MB hard drive and desk.
@@mluca1221 It's actually the plot of the house what is expensive. House price is about 50% of the whole house price, since the other 50% is generally the plot of land.
Love your channel, its actually therapeutic. I experienced those early days of computing and frankly they were frustrating times and times of greatness! However, you give me hope that those ole machines actually do work.
I want an the Altair-8800 case but 600 bucks for the clone or a few grand for the original on ebay is just waaaaaaaay to much. Anyone know where you can get the same case with the front panel (its ok when it does not work) for less than 600 bucks?
What a fun project!!! At first I thought it was a real 1975 machine but then relieved it was a replica. I am also glad you have both the modern PC and Altair functional. My only complaint... Windows 10??? Linux would have been a lot cooler. :)
I heard that in the beginning, I was just reinforcing that statement. openSUSE Linux is my jam, I'll never go back to Windows but I am also not a huge gamer.
Nice little rig. I recently built one to be a retro machine with the cheapest parts I could find and it was fun! It's cool watching you troubleshoot it all, came out cool.
Hey LGR. Watch out for those MSI boards. I got hosed over something fierce. My pc was running like crap (I had just built it) and I decided to upgrade the CPU to the kabylake 4.2 ghz.. I went through the same thing as you with the firmware. BUT that's when I figured out that MSI board was underclocking my CPU so severely, it was running at .7 GHZ. MSI was well aware of this problem when I called, and suggested I mail it to them. I said Fuck that and went back to Microcenter where I had the extended warranty. I returned it and got a Gigabyte instead, which has ROCKED. Congratulations on the anniversary. I've been watching you since 2010 . You should be proud of how far you've come!
Dan R. Yeah I've had both MSI and Gigabyte before and had both of them die very quick, weird deaths from seemingly nothing. After that I went back to Asus for my main rig and for my secondary rig which is a Ryzen system, I went out on a limb and tried AsRock and it seems to be working well
Eight days... Man, order something here and you have it the day after. Gotto love living in a tiiiiny country :D Cool stuff though, I just found a Nakamichi LX-3 cassette deck in the trash. Let's see if it's still salvageable. If not... Well it is quite big and has a panel that opens and closes. Hmmmm... ;).
Here in the US it all depends on what part of the country you are in, and where you are ordering from I'm not too far from Clint down one state about 4 to 5 hours drive, and if we order from a site like Newegg.com they have 3 warehouses one in City of Industry California, Memphis TN, and Edison, NJ, and depending on what you order, and what is in stock will determine which one they ship from, so for me, & Clint if it comes from California it can be as much as 10 days, but coming from, Memphis turn around time(if you don't order on a weekend) can be as little as 3 days, and Edison as little as 4-5 days. But I've also have ordered items off eBay from California that have been here as fast as 3 days before so depends on where you order, where you live, when you order, and how and who they use for shipping. edit: shipping in the US has gotten way better as I can remember back in the late 90's ordering PC parts from places online like MCMelectronics, and sometimes it would take over 3 weeks to get an order for a single item like a sound card being shipped with USPS(US postal service).
Makes perfect sense, obviously. I'd expected big companies like NewEgg to have more warehouses divided over the country. At least one in every state. I can understand it takes that long if there's only so little warehouses in such a massive country. I'm from 1984 and shipping here has always been about the same. It probably just got worse now that everyone is ordering over the internet. We don't really have anything like "USPS" anymore, it's all privatized companies. DHL, DPD, UPS and PostNL which is an abbreviation for PostNetherLands but has actually been owned by TPG and TNT before. Not sure who owns it now, pretty sure it's a private thing too.
So that means I watch your channel since like 5 years? Like, longer than I have this account, I learnt English wathing your The Sims 3 reviews and even in ave looked on Minecraft's water physics watching your let's play. It feels crazy that I pretty much know you just a bit 1/3 of my life. Just... Thanks Clint!
This video was more interesting than I thought, great work! Btw I have an idea, can you make both computers communicate with each other? Like, put a program on the Altair RAM, then make the PC read the RAM (maybe with an USB to parallel interface?), process that program and then return the results by writing them to the Altair RAM. That would be so cool.
You actually read this >:O !!! I wrote this be before reading your comment so... yeah. I can't wait to see that video! I wonder if you could emulate expansion cards with the PC... So many possibilities.
Only thing I can recommend about splicing the power cable (or any splicing in general) is to stagger your joins so they aren't sitting against each other in the hearshrink. Love your videos man! Cheers from Sydney, Australia!
Pretty sure he put the grenade on the top himself, I don't think it actually ships with that. It was sitting on top of the motherboard itself, not packaged in a way that wouldn't damage the motherboard during shipping
Duh, though there was that mobo recently that had a heatsink shaped like a gun that got stuck in customs. But yeah that was obviously LGR being funny, my bad.
Christian Gerefalk Eh. Customs had no problem whatsoever with the replica bullet I got with Red Steel 2 in the UK. Firearms are basically illegal in the UK, and very heavily restricted in the destination country, but costoms didn't give a shit about a fake bullet. You never can say for sure with stuff like this. XD Meanwhile, a security person at an airport once mistook a pack of batteries in my bag for a row of shotgun shells. XD
KuraIthys About 40 years ago, foreign TSA agents overlooked a toy grenade, allowing the guy onboard. He and a few friends used it to hijack the plane in one of the most infamous terrorist incidents of the decade. The plane was named "Landshut" which should get your search going.
Probably 10 years ago I bought an actual Altair 680 metal case from New Mexico for $150 US plus shipping and ordered switches and led lights that a student inserted to make it look genuine. Still, very sweet.
Awesome little project. I'm most impressed at how well Crysis runs on that little Pentium - Intel has really kicked their integrated GPUs into gear, huh?
No.... No they haven't.... Check out AMD's Ryzen-G (Raven Ridge) with it's Vega iGPU if you want to see what real integrated graphics can do. Intel's crap has COMPLETELY stalled out (iGPU tech hasn't changed at all since Skylake). It's been able to play Crysis this well (poorly at super low res) for years now, but never any better.
Same thing has been done on AMD boards before as well, like with AM3/AM3+ , and FM2/FM2+ boards as they where out for a good while, and AMD released some new chips using the same sockets to extend the life of Piledirver and my my FM2+ MSI I board I had to keep my old chip in, apply the update, and then install my the new APU which is an AMD AMD A-10 6800B(almost the same performance as the 6800K at 1/2 the cost). So it's all on Clint with this one, as he should have done his homework, and gotten a used working CPU for cheap, and done the update first.
It's because that's a Skylake era board (6th Gen / 100 series board) used with a Kaby Lake chip (7th Gen / launched with the 200 series boards but compatible with 100 series with a BIOS update). Forwards compatible boards will ALWAYS require a BIOS update to use new chips for technological reasons impossible to avoid (new CPU's = new microcode; no way around that with x86). I'm sorry, but next time don't be stupid. It's people like you that are why Intel doesn't do forwards compatible boards AT ALL anymore. You want to use new chips, you need to get a new board, ALWAYS. AMD thank freaking God still does, but with the release of Ryzen 2nd Gen recently there have been many people complaining like yourself, despite the fact AMD will freaking ship you an old loaner CPU to update your AM4 300 series board to be compatible for FREE. This is why we can't have nice things -_- ... (That being said, I'm ALL in favor of all boards adopting CPU-less BIOS updating abilities, but as for now, that's limited to only the extremely high end ASUS boards). That being said, Clint had no need to buy that second chip. He could have quickly and easily used his i7-6700K from his main machine to update the board with instead. Honestly have no idea why he went that route tbh.
Man you are like super genius to me, the amount of knowledge you have in that brain must make your parents stay in a constant state of awe. It's a trip to watch someone do the stuff you do on this channel. It make most of the population look like they are in the stone age, like myself, lol. I love this whole setup, I totally agree you should put your main rig in this. I'm from that generation and I'll tell you, if I came to your place and I saw that setup running like my Alienware R5 I'd be like, that is so freaking cool!!!! I love this setup and how you did this, awesome video.
It's fixing to be 9 years. Holy cow. And I've been here for 4 of them. So much cool content though. I look forward to whatever you upload in the future.
oh I just noticed the date! Lol, I'd still go with a cheap GPU over integrated myself. Never know when a friend wants to game with you :P @@echinox2460
This is the most realistic video about building a PC I have ever seen. Everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong and you had to wait multiple days for replacement parts. Anyone who has ever built a computer can empathize with that tall glass of whiskey after a frustrating day with no results. Keep making videos as long as you can. Your channel is one of two channels for which I keep notifications on, the other being Red Letter Media. The only other channel to give you any competition has six or seven people behind it with something like 25 years of video creation experience. That definitely says something about the quality of your work.
Depends on the case and the bells, whistles, lights and fans that come with it. Or in this case (pun intended) it comes with an entire vintage computer. Though I *really* wonder why the Altair was so big *and* had a fan to begin with...I don't think the native components would be running hot enough to need *that* much airspace and airflow...or did actual Altairs have more in there than these clones?
The original Altair had the case nearly full of boards. Doesn't help it being from 1975. Here's a Wikipedia article on it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800
Yeah it might be so simple for todays standard but as for 1975 it was obviously a hot new thing. The clone does a favor on making this things simplier and you can have more things going on on them.
A friend of mine had a similar problem after buying hardware that should've been compatible according to research. His cooler didn't fit his motherboard. Apparently they'd recently changed the shape of the hardware to make it fit the size and locations of the holes on the motherboard, but when he ordered it, completely with confirmation that it does fit, they sent him old stock.
I had the same issue with a build I did, Gigabyte board suggested from retailer to be compatible with cabe lake processor. It took 2 weeks of swapping RAM, new power supplies, 3 motherboards and a Cpu until retailer admited it needed a bios update. Not sure how you can do that if you only have one cpu from the original build. I don't think you are at fault for not picking up on it, you are not the only one. Even with rare beep codes telling me there was a cpu issue, you are mislead when you purchase it 😅. Great channel thank you for the uploads.
Thank you for not being one of those "Durr hurr Windows 10 is turrbull" people. As a guy who has, like you, used every Windows operating system back to 3.1, along with most of the big Mac OS updates and crap tons of Linux distributions for work and play alike, I have never and will never understand how people don't get that you should use the right tool for the job. In this case, Win 10 home is the _perfect_ OS for your use case. Great video! Looking forward to seeing what you do with the Altair video!
Now that is a proper sleeper PC!
I dunno about that Phil. You should understand being such a retro fanatic yourself, but I know if I saw an Altair 8800 at a friend's house I'd be all over it. Kinda defeats the purpose of a sleeper PC don't ya think?
I've seen enough of Phil's videos to know that's only half in jest. He'd do it himself if he had a good opportunity, and I'd most likely watch the build video too.
Actually, what you're looking for a ghetto pc that is secretly a crysis-slayer
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+TheTurnipKing LoL!
PhilsComputerLab when I thought my Dell was a good sleeper... lol
as the ancients said "if it has a cpu we will figure out how to play doom on it."
Now do it on the actual 8080 in the Altair.
I think I prefer the notion of asking whether the computer is Tetris Complete.
In short "Can you implement Tetris on it?". A surprisingly large number of systems pass. Those that fail usually fail because they either don't have enough room on screen for a full play area (10 wide by 20 high) or lack some way to repaint part of the screen.
Even older, is the notion of Adventure Complete, meaning you can port the old text-adventure classic Colossal Cave Adventure to it. I suspect the Altair _would_ pass that one.
@@deneb_tm No, go for either an 8008 or 4004.
Phew, for a second I thought you were gonna destroy an original Altair 8800, which would have been very unlike you.
bimer2000 If that were the case I would've been disappointed.
bimer2000 Right there with you. For a moment it was like: WHAAAT!!! Tear the guts out of a poor little innocent original classic Altair 8800 and stick filthy modern PC parts inside just to play Crysis?!? Insanity! Madness!!! Triggered nerds of the Internet and RUclips comments section! Grab your pitchforks and flaming torches! Burn the heretic! Burn it with fire! 😲
However, having then watched a few more seconds of the video, my initial horrified reaction had been negated, now that I know that it's just a perfectly good reproduction that's actually designed to do that sort of thing.
So LGR, you are forgiven. This time.
Well, it does look brand new...
MrNateSPF "New" isn't always new when LGR's involved. His alchemical ways have almost magical properties when it comes to cleaning old tech up. ;-)
You're not going to have room to fit a PC motherboard inside an original Altair 8800
www.vintage-computer.com/images/8800fobinside.jpg
I for one would like to see the opposite: a functional Altair built into some water-cooled tower
y e s
wait a min.....i bought the mortar version of that board.......Wheres my mortar?
Corristo89 Yes, build your PCs with "military grade" components! Guns, grenades, flamethrowers, jet fighters & nukes, fun for all the family!
And me? With my msi tomahawk? where is my tomahawk? : P ^^
I bought the MSI Z270 pro carbon and am still yet to recive my carbon fiber Mclaren P1 GTR.
Whatever you do, don't contact support about it, I bought the very same board and complained to support about not getting a tomahawk, next thing I see a Tomahawk Land Attack Missile making its way to my house and blowing every single thing up... except for the board and everything connected to it
can someone tell if that was a real grenade or just a prop he used for the joke?
>Altair
>Crysis
Stop LGR, if you keep playing God, there will be consequences!
Are you hating videogames
This man is chaotic neutral...
Needs more woodgrain.
He had a coaster for his booze that was woodgrain
It would be nice to see someone make 70s-inspired versions of modern devices. And I mean ones you can actually buy and use, not just stuff for the sake of being artistic (though that is a worthy goal in itself).
*when an Altair runs Crysis better than your computer*
Nathan Vaughan lol
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Nathan Vaughan wonders if his pc can run it. is a Ryren 3 1300x enough cpu?
John Smith The CPU is a supporting factor, the GPU is what really matters.
@@JohnSmith-xq1pz you could runa it on a i3 4300 if you wanted too. It's mostly a gpu thing not a cpu thing
Can the Altair play Assassins's Creed?
Ha, appropriately enough yes.
What sorcery is this!!?!
Playing as Altaïr on Altair? Somebody stop this madman!
The fires of war consume the land
Lazy Game Reviews lol
>"I'm not gonna be pushing this thing to its limits"
>Starts up Crysis
They should absolutely make an standard ATX mainboard compatible case version of this where the switches in front could be just for show (or to control the RGB lighting inside with having a plexiglass top or something)
Agreed, that'd be awesome. So would a proper back panel that allowed for I/O of both the Altair and PC!
Wow 8 years, congrats! Keep doing what you're doing. :D
Hey Clint, Just wanted to say I like your little pop-in thing you did in this video. Made it feel even higher quality than what you already put out. Loved the video. Love the idea of playing crysis on an altair that would be pretty amusing.
Thank you!
Indeed, it is a nice touch!
Agreed, very Ben Heck-ish! He likes those pop-up things in his videos too. Hell, he's like the idea of an Altair 8800 also being a modern PC too.
RockRedGenesis definitely, Ben loves smashing different systems into the same case, many people definitely know him mostly for that.
The bios update thing happened to my friend who JUST built his computer too.
The solution was, indeed, drinking whiskey until a cheap processor of the previous generation was shipped to his house.
Had the same thing (both BIOS Update and RAM "pickyness") happen once with a msi board. That's why I don't buy msi anymore...
So freaking cool!
the altair actually makes for a computer case that's not hideous - like 90% of "gaming pcs" and the like are
But my gaming pc needs to be hazardous to touch or else it's not a gaming pc.
All of the corners need to be spikes and all the spikes need to be corners!
8 years!! congratulations!! keep on going! this is one of my favorite youtube channels.
so forward-looking of Altair to include rgb all the way back in 1975
you mean r. the precursor to rgb.
@@runvnc208 ah yes, the virtual boy color. so gaming
That's awesome. Many people will say "out with the old, in with the new", but no, this is LGR, where we say "screw it, let's just be crazy and combine 'em".
Revegelance lgr just said "in with the new, into the old"
That sounds like my retro gaming pc. A Ryzen 3 1300x inside a Antec Sonata II case.
"Ugggh, SO GAMiNG!" Haha yes. Glad I"m not the only one sick of all the cheesy ass gamer aesthetics
I've played PC games for 20 years and never cared for the "Gamer" specific hardware. I bought a MSI Z270 PRO that has exactly zero gaming bs but all the overclocking.
PS Except Logitech gaming mice. Nothing else comes close.
Me too, I really wish some motherboards don't have any of that chessy aesthetics and names.
Even the cheap boards. Like I just have a cheap b350, but it's marketed as "gaming" like yeah ok throw some red leds and some camo patterned pcb, and I guess that makes it a gaming board
The aesthetic has been shifting with a lot of them to look powerful but sleek, being a bit more minimalist both on the hardware itself and the box.
I like that for the most part, though I still do love my heatsinks to look like some sort of giant alien technology lol
Same, I feel like I am the only person who likes plain green PCBs, no RGBullshit, and doesn't need an LCD display on my cooler.
Time to get a USB > RS232 adapter and loop it into the Altair's output :)
Totally, I want to use the PC with the Altair as a terminal!
You're thinkin' too small man. Snoop the Altair's buses and use the PC as a video card. Watch for writes to an area of ram and use it as a buffer to create a screen image in a PC window. There's a whole bunch of ways you can do that:
Your motherboard already has a serial port
I'm not talking about that. Every modern motherboard has a serial port, usually near the USB3 header. Check the motherboard's website.
You could even use that port to program an Arduino with a chip like the MAX3232 to convert it to TTL logic
Search for: "serial pci port brackets" on Google Images, you should find the pinout
The production quality of this video is fantastic :D
Thank you!
in making this silly Altair video, Clint accidentally made a really good "build your own pc" tutorial. Much better than most tech channels
I like watching twitch sometimes ppl making PC. Before that, I scared to even try. Clint shows the beauty of old tech and new in this episode. But this is one of the reasons I like watching his videos. Came for the sims reviews stayed for this.
Eh, Gamers Nexus, Hardware Unboxed, and Linus all have some pretty good tutorials for it.
Zip ties holding a floppy power button, velcro holding the PSU, a spliced power cord, a closed box with almost no ventilation, no real storage (128GB goes quick) ... I can keep going...
He earned his channel name in this one. He at least drilled holes for the motherboard standoffs. I suppose he could have just velcro'd that down as well... This was sub-Verge-tier PC building, so don't use it as a tutorial. As a lazy guy throwing parts loosely in a box, it's fine, but this is a horrible example of how to do anything.
More of this! This fits your content exceptionally! Would be awesome to see more "old tech" gets turned into usable PC's!
I wanted to do that, but the AltairClone is bloody expensive :(
edit : Apparently the people who makes these were planning on selling special back panels to accommodate the power supply and I/O, but it looks like that never came to be.
I've always been a lurker, basement computer user. Never really comment. This is the best You-Tube channel in existence. I'm 45 years old, so I have lived this computing experience. I remember getting a paper route just so I could buy a Commodore Vic-20. Nerd love points to you, lifetime achievement award.
Awesome video! For future reference: check out Pico PSUs on Amazon. Since you aren't using a dedicated graphics card one of those would have been sufficient and wayyyy smaller.
Oooh that might be a solid upgrade since I really did want something way smaller. Thanks!
as long as your GPU does not require extra power from the PSU you can get away with running one from a Pico PSU, and even a lower end AMD R7 card with 2GB of ram would be a big step up from the INTEL graphics. Hell I use to run 2 EVGA 9500GT 1GB cards in SLI that required no extra CPU power, and ran Crysis at 1680 x 1050 on medium settings with 58-62 FPS.
Now, invent time travel, go back to when the 8800 came out.
Show them this.
They would all quit. No matter what their job, they'd quit.
This thing could probably run circles around even the most powerful mainframe computers of that time, much less a microcomputer!
@@wta1518 I'm pretty sure it's more powerful than the entire world's computing capacity at the time.
That would be a PERFECT machine to act as a server for all your other retro games. Put an SD reader velcro'd to the front or side so you can remove/add games and maybe even use it to convert disk images to other formats (IE convert those actual disks you find into floppy images or ISOs.)
That metal remix of the old LGR theme at the start.
Wow, that takes me back.
You say that you build a new PC into an old piece of technology?!
Never have liked the video so fast before.
Nah it's new PC into a modern case that was designed to resemble an old piece of technology. At least he isn't ruining a genuine Altair.
Yeah because an original mint Altair will cost you $20G+
Thank you for eight years of awesome videos, Clint! You're a great guy and I've loved what you've done so far.
Here's to many more!
12 now
Clint, this was awesome! "oh and look this one comes with a grenade, how thoughtful of them." about died laughing this morning. Thanks for the laugh 😃
Especially since new holes needed to be drilled regardless, a refurbished pre-built system would have been an even more budget option. It would have given budget overhead for a slim 750(Ti). But upgrading the power supply and CPU cooler could still be worthwhile to keep it running quieter.
I hope one day the guys behind that Clone-device start to sell the case seperately for stuff like this
8:49 Best solution to all problems,Clint.Technical or otherwise!
Nice Altair, buit can it play minesweeper at a stable 3 fps?
Nah, recently, some people patched it to run at up to 4 fps.
Memories... I remember seeing one the cover of Popular Electronics magazine and saying this is gonna changes things. At the time I was managing a data center with a Honeywell Model 58 which in a way was my "Personal Computer". This is an excellent build, thanks. Keep Broadcasting!
Ryzen is a silly name, we all know this. It's just great that there's competition again in the CPU space.
Silly names for processors seems to be a common thing in the x86 space.
Pentium, Itanium (technically not x86, but still a silly name), Core iWhatever, Athlon, Phenom, they've both been doing it for ages.
Doubly so for their numerous codenames. Way too many to list.
He's got a point about a lot of computer stuff sounding like it's made for 14-year-olds, though :D
Your humor has improved well over the years. You are also more relaxed and you are being yourself. You seem happy, and I'm happy for you.
When LGR says its going to be interesting, so you know *ITS GOING TO BE INTERESTING*
I used to have two Altair 8800b's back in the day. One was the original with the front panel, the other was the business-oriented turnkey model with the Pertec 14-inch 5MB hard drive and desk.
Loving the new metal intro... and the Altair 88000 as I am calling it.
Thanks! Haha 88000, I like that.
Lazy Game Reviews more like 888000
It is important to note that Clint indeed has a woodgrain coaster.
So you tried ram you knew worked and tried getting new ram anyway?
yea,,,waste money much?
probably just didn't want to use the first stick he got lmfao
+Lost Evesy Well, after that much whiskey it probably made sense....
It was single channel, and crap ram. Better he swapped it regardless.
You know he could just return it right
$600.00 is a little much for a box of 99.9% air
A house is a large percentage air until you put stuff inside it.
@@mluca1221 but you and your family are not going to live inside that box...
@@mluca1221 It's actually the plot of the house what is expensive. House price is about 50% of the whole house price, since the other 50% is generally the plot of land.
And 0,1% metal
Wants to build a cheap computer
Buys two CPUs
Ello, he needed to buy another cpu to update the bios, boi
then what cpu would he use for his main system?
Well, there is a such thing as returning stuff..
Love your channel, its actually therapeutic. I experienced those early days of computing and frankly they were frustrating times and times of greatness! However, you give me hope that those ole machines actually do work.
I want an the Altair-8800 case but 600 bucks for the clone or a few grand for the original on ebay is just waaaaaaaay to much. Anyone know where you can get the same case with the front panel (its ok when it does not work) for less than 600 bucks?
You can build one. It is basically a metal box. I think other people sell these kind of cases empty
I also had the bios update problem with my H110 a few days ago. Thanks to you I finally figured out the problem!
What a fun project!!! At first I thought it was a real 1975 machine but then relieved it was a replica. I am also glad you have both the modern PC and Altair functional. My only complaint... Windows 10??? Linux would have been a lot cooler. :)
He might have chosen to go with Windows for the software support.
he also wanted to use Linux and might switch to it
I heard that in the beginning, I was just reinforcing that statement. openSUSE Linux is my jam, I'll never go back to Windows but I am also not a huge gamer.
Microsoft BASIC, 1975, Microsoft Windows 10, 2017. Still Microsoft after all these decades. Sort of makes sense.
I personally prefer PCLinuxOS Mate edition myself.
Very genius! Your totally one of my influences LGR, you earned the support! Keep up the good work my friend!
Well there was no need for new CPU, your 6700k would boot with that h110, and you could update BIOS with that.
This. Can't believe he didn't think of that.
This still pops up in my feed, and I still watch it again and again.
Your Altair is better than any computer I have owned.
This actually makes a lot of sense. You can keep all of your Altair programs, documentation, and links in one place. Brilliant.
Really kinda fitting ... oldest Microsoft O/S and newest Microsoft O/S
Nice little rig. I recently built one to be a retro machine with the cheapest parts I could find and it was fun! It's cool watching you troubleshoot it all, came out cool.
"Thankfully I have a solution" *drinks* xD
I'm a big fan. I loved this project, and happy anniversary.
Hey LGR. Watch out for those MSI boards. I got hosed over something fierce. My pc was running like crap (I had just built it) and I decided to upgrade the CPU to the kabylake 4.2 ghz.. I went through the same thing as you with the firmware.
BUT that's when I figured out that MSI board was underclocking my CPU so severely, it was running at .7 GHZ.
MSI was well aware of this problem when I called, and suggested I mail it to them. I said Fuck that and went back to Microcenter where I had the extended warranty. I returned it and got a Gigabyte instead, which has ROCKED.
Congratulations on the anniversary. I've been watching you since 2010 . You should be proud of how far you've come!
Be careful with Gigabyte too, the locked versions of the motherboards are a pain in the ass.
Dan R. Yeah I've had both MSI and Gigabyte before and had both of them die very quick, weird deaths from seemingly nothing. After that I went back to Asus for my main rig and for my secondary rig which is a Ryzen system, I went out on a limb and tried AsRock and it seems to be working well
Congrats on 8 years Clint! I really liked the pop-up annotations, they give the video a very polished look. :)
Thank you!
Eight days... Man, order something here and you have it the day after.
Gotto love living in a tiiiiny country :D
Cool stuff though, I just found a Nakamichi LX-3 cassette deck in the trash.
Let's see if it's still salvageable. If not... Well it is quite big and has a panel that opens and closes.
Hmmmm... ;).
Are you in the Netherlands?
Yes, very much. Why?
Here in the US it all depends on what part of the country you are in, and where you are ordering from I'm not too far from Clint down one state about 4 to 5 hours drive, and if we order from a site like Newegg.com they have 3 warehouses one in City of Industry California, Memphis TN, and Edison, NJ, and depending on what you order, and what is in stock will determine which one they ship from, so for me, & Clint if it comes from California it can be as much as 10 days, but coming from, Memphis turn around time(if you don't order on a weekend) can be as little as 3 days, and Edison as little as 4-5 days. But I've also have ordered items off eBay from California that have been here as fast as 3 days before so depends on where you order, where you live, when you order, and how and who they use for shipping. edit: shipping in the US has gotten way better as I can remember back in the late 90's ordering PC parts from places online like MCMelectronics, and sometimes it would take over 3 weeks to get an order for a single item like a sound card being shipped with USPS(US postal service).
Makes perfect sense, obviously.
I'd expected big companies like NewEgg to have more warehouses divided over the country. At least one in every state.
I can understand it takes that long if there's only so little warehouses in such a massive country.
I'm from 1984 and shipping here has always been about the same. It probably just got worse now that everyone is ordering over the internet. We don't really have anything like "USPS" anymore, it's all privatized companies. DHL, DPD, UPS and PostNL which is an abbreviation for PostNetherLands but has actually been owned by TPG and TNT before. Not sure who owns it now, pretty sure it's a private thing too.
Not true ! My country is tiny as well to but wait time is usaly is very long.
Happy 8yrs LGR. Another cool vid. Still the most soothing place on youtube.
4:00 LGR roast AMD although he had upgrade his edit PC with Threadripper a year later 🤣
So that means I watch your channel since like 5 years? Like, longer than I have this account, I learnt English wathing your The Sims 3 reviews and even in ave looked on Minecraft's water physics watching your let's play. It feels crazy that I pretty much know you just a bit 1/3 of my life. Just... Thanks Clint!
He has a 1080 Ti!
I'm sooo jelly :
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Nice name XD
My 1060 3gb is still going strong
This video was more interesting than I thought, great work! Btw I have an idea, can you make both computers communicate with each other? Like, put a program on the Altair RAM, then make the PC read the RAM (maybe with an USB to parallel interface?), process that program and then return the results by writing them to the Altair RAM. That would be so cool.
Yep, the Altair clone is set up to support this by default. That'll be in an upcoming episode!
You actually read this >:O !!! I wrote this be before reading your comment so... yeah. I can't wait to see that video! I wonder if you could emulate expansion cards with the PC... So many possibilities.
I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one. I don't need one.
liverush24 I need one lol
Only thing I can recommend about splicing the power cable (or any splicing in general) is to stagger your joins so they aren't sitting against each other in the hearshrink. Love your videos man! Cheers from Sydney, Australia!
I'm sure that mobo is great for getting through customs...
Pretty sure he put the grenade on the top himself, I don't think it actually ships with that. It was sitting on top of the motherboard itself, not packaged in a way that wouldn't damage the motherboard during shipping
Duh, though there was that mobo recently that had a heatsink shaped like a gun that got stuck in customs. But yeah that was obviously LGR being funny, my bad.
Christian Gerefalk Eh. Customs had no problem whatsoever with the replica bullet I got with Red Steel 2 in the UK.
Firearms are basically illegal in the UK, and very heavily restricted in the destination country, but costoms didn't give a shit about a fake bullet.
You never can say for sure with stuff like this. XD
Meanwhile, a security person at an airport once mistook a pack of batteries in my bag for a row of shotgun shells. XD
KuraIthys About 40 years ago, foreign TSA agents overlooked a toy grenade, allowing the guy onboard. He and a few friends used it to hijack the plane in one of the most infamous terrorist incidents of the decade. The plane was named "Landshut" which should get your search going.
Haha, you got me cracking up when that glass came out. I felt the same way building my last PC.
But can it runs sims 4
Probably 10 years ago I bought an actual Altair 680 metal case from New Mexico for $150 US plus shipping and ordered switches and led lights that a student inserted to make it look genuine. Still, very sweet.
Awesome little project. I'm most impressed at how well Crysis runs on that little Pentium - Intel has really kicked their integrated GPUs into gear, huh?
c0d3r3d // cleanycloth it's probably on low and 720p (or lower). But still impressive for integrated graphics.
No.... No they haven't.... Check out AMD's Ryzen-G (Raven Ridge) with it's Vega iGPU if you want to see what real integrated graphics can do. Intel's crap has COMPLETELY stalled out (iGPU tech hasn't changed at all since Skylake). It's been able to play Crysis this well (poorly at super low res) for years now, but never any better.
Thank you for being here, Clint! Keep posting, we'll keep watching!!
WTF, it needs an update, but it won't let you update on the fly? That's some BS design there. And it's not like they didn't know.
That was an idiotic Catch-22 situation.
Same thing has been done on AMD boards before as well, like with AM3/AM3+ , and FM2/FM2+ boards as they where out for a good while, and AMD released some new chips using the same sockets to extend the life of Piledirver and my my FM2+ MSI I board I had to keep my old chip in, apply the update, and then install my the new APU which is an AMD AMD A-10 6800B(almost the same performance as the 6800K at 1/2 the cost). So it's all on Clint with this one, as he should have done his homework, and gotten a used working CPU for cheap, and done the update first.
It's because that's a Skylake era board (6th Gen / 100 series board) used with a Kaby Lake chip (7th Gen / launched with the 200 series boards but compatible with 100 series with a BIOS update). Forwards compatible boards will ALWAYS require a BIOS update to use new chips for technological reasons impossible to avoid (new CPU's = new microcode; no way around that with x86). I'm sorry, but next time don't be stupid. It's people like you that are why Intel doesn't do forwards compatible boards AT ALL anymore. You want to use new chips, you need to get a new board, ALWAYS. AMD thank freaking God still does, but with the release of Ryzen 2nd Gen recently there have been many people complaining like yourself, despite the fact AMD will freaking ship you an old loaner CPU to update your AM4 300 series board to be compatible for FREE. This is why we can't have nice things -_- ...
(That being said, I'm ALL in favor of all boards adopting CPU-less BIOS updating abilities, but as for now, that's limited to only the extremely high end ASUS boards).
That being said, Clint had no need to buy that second chip. He could have quickly and easily used his i7-6700K from his main machine to update the board with instead. Honestly have no idea why he went that route tbh.
I truly loved this video. Clint, you are a wonderful geek. We are definitely on the same wavelength,
My gut feeling when you got the MoBo with 1xx chip did not went wrong... 1xx for Skylake, 2xx for Kabylake.
Man you are like super genius to me, the amount of knowledge you have in that brain must make your parents stay in a constant state of awe. It's a trip to watch someone do the stuff you do on this channel. It make most of the population look like they are in the stone age, like myself, lol. I love this whole setup, I totally agree you should put your main rig in this. I'm from that generation and I'll tell you, if I came to your place and I saw that setup running like my Alienware R5 I'd be like, that is so freaking cool!!!! I love this setup and how you did this, awesome video.
Somewhere in a distant future, there will be a computer named Desmond 9900 being plugged in the animus...
It's fixing to be 9 years.
Holy cow.
And I've been here for 4 of them.
So much cool content though.
I look forward to whatever you upload in the future.
Ryzen is always on sale and it's no sillier of a name than Pentium :(
Well, Ryzen APU's didn't exist at his time
oh I just noticed the date! Lol, I'd still go with a cheap GPU over integrated myself. Never know when a friend wants to game with you :P @@echinox2460
I respect a man who isn't afraid to whip out his soldering iron on camera. Cool build and much respect.
Dr. CompuStein
This is the most realistic video about building a PC I have ever seen. Everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong and you had to wait multiple days for replacement parts. Anyone who has ever built a computer can empathize with that tall glass of whiskey after a frustrating day with no results.
Keep making videos as long as you can. Your channel is one of two channels for which I keep notifications on, the other being Red Letter Media. The only other channel to give you any competition has six or seven people behind it with something like 25 years of video creation experience. That definitely says something about the quality of your work.
But can it play Crysis 3?
It can. Excellently, in fact.
OH HO HO,i saw what you did there :(
Minimum settings at 1024x768 at about 40fps
Been watching earlier videos you seem like you've put a lot of effort into getting fit. Good for you!
Reading your computer specs made my ears bleed.
I absolutely enjoy the heck out of these videos. Very relaxing as well.
$600 for pc cases?
Depends on the case and the bells, whistles, lights and fans that come with it. Or in this case (pun intended) it comes with an entire vintage computer. Though I *really* wonder why the Altair was so big *and* had a fan to begin with...I don't think the native components would be running hot enough to need *that* much airspace and airflow...or did actual Altairs have more in there than these clones?
The original Altair had the case nearly full of boards. Doesn't help it being from 1975. Here's a Wikipedia article on it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800
Yeah it might be so simple for todays standard but as for 1975 it was obviously a hot new thing.
The clone does a favor on making this things simplier and you can have more things going on on them.
Any time I see anything vintage computing, I think of your channel!
:D - happy 8 year anniversary Clint! And thank you for making the always great videos!
congrats on 8 years man! Another great vid!
Brilliant! Can't wait for you to do the video showing how the original computer works too. Very interesting 😊👍
A friend of mine had a similar problem after buying hardware that should've been compatible according to research. His cooler didn't fit his motherboard. Apparently they'd recently changed the shape of the hardware to make it fit the size and locations of the holes on the motherboard, but when he ordered it, completely with confirmation that it does fit, they sent him old stock.
Dude, if I had $1000 to spare, I'd do this too. Kudos on being the first to show this. Looking forward to the Altair retrospective.
You know you make great content when I watch your video and then 30 minutes later I watch it again and I'm just as excited.
I had the same issue with a build I did, Gigabyte board suggested from retailer to be compatible with cabe lake processor. It took 2 weeks of swapping RAM, new power supplies, 3 motherboards and a Cpu until retailer admited it needed a bios update. Not sure how you can do that if you only have one cpu from the original build. I don't think you are at fault for not picking up on it, you are not the only one. Even with rare beep codes telling me there was a cpu issue, you are mislead when you purchase it 😅. Great channel thank you for the uploads.
Thank you for not being one of those "Durr hurr Windows 10 is turrbull" people.
As a guy who has, like you, used every Windows operating system back to 3.1, along with most of the big Mac OS updates and crap tons of Linux distributions for work and play alike, I have never and will never understand how people don't get that you should use the right tool for the job. In this case, Win 10 home is the _perfect_ OS for your use case.
Great video! Looking forward to seeing what you do with the Altair video!