Almost Perfect! - WD Black SN770 Gen4 SSD Review
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- Testing the new WD Black SN770 - Get yours here: geni.us/ZVHye4F (affiliate, soon)
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WD Black SN770 - geni.us/ZVHye4F
WD Black SN850 - geni.us/Xdrv
Kingston KC3000 - geni.us/czu8
Samsung 980 PRO - geni.us/LXpQKhQ
Seagate Firecuda 530 - geni.us/KU8JQO
Aorus 7000S - geni.us/eO50
MSI Spatium M480 - geni.us/4P3bGz
Sabrent Rocket 4 - geni.us/mCPY
Seagate FireCuda 520 - geni.us/0qiSzjR
Corsair MP600 - geni.us/wVMyDn
Patriot VP4100 - geni.us/SyKI7Jm
Aorus Gen4 SSD - geni.us/kAst
Sabrent Rocket Q4 - geni.us/kmD4
WD Black SN750 SE - geni.us/xFNcEay
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
0:50 - WD Black SN770 Overview
2:05 - Sticker Rant
2:32 - PC Mark 10 - Light Use (For use as a secondary drive)
4:02 - PC Mark 10 - Heavier Use (OS Drive, Video Editors, etc)
4:59 - Consistency Test - Stress Test
5:36 - Sequential Read & Write Performance & Playstation 5 Use
6:52 - Thermal Performance
8:04 - Pricing & Final Thoughts
Test Bench - (affiliate links)
CPU - Intel Core i9-12900K - geni.us/8ew3
Motherboard - ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Hero - geni.us/rMCmKs
Memory - 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum DDR5-5200 - geni.us/eqYpBgw
Cooling - Corsair H150i Elite LCD
GPU - Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 - geni.us/Jn2x
PSU - Seasonic Prime Titanium 850W - geni.us/hqKXxw
Disclosure:
- This product was provided by WD for the purpose of testing. As per my own guidelines, they don't get any say about anything in this video or any of my other reviews. It's not sponsored by them, they also didn't get to preview this video beforehand, or any other nonsense like that. My reviews reflect my own views, nothing more, nothing less.
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1- Correction on the latency graphs. Should say microseconds, not milliseconds. ;) Thanks "the Reverant" for pointing this out!
2- Check out my 15 Gen4 SSD Roundup for some more info: ruclips.net/video/Zy2HtI20eFQ/видео.html
3- Markings on my sample are as follows:
*Controller:*
Sandisk
02-1008T-A1
14872XFD3S5
China
*Memory:*
Sandisk
001987 1T00
China
14620CEKX00W
Keep in mind that just because markings change it doesn't mean you're being cheated. But it's good to keep an eye out for major revisions under the same product name!
Hello
I testet 2 of the 1tb modells in a hp zbook fury 15 g8. I also teste 2 of the sn850 2tb in this mobile workstation. After round an hour the sn770 was still cool by araound 85c°. The sn850 was by over 95c° and throttled. So after round abaout an hour of heavy use the sn770 had a better performance. Before anyone asks I use 2 drives because so i can use raid 1 to get a datamirror.
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You're just too professional. You are certainly an agent of WD. Ok, well... Your commercial is for gamerboys. Now tell me as a non-gamer, as a Dell Optiplex user, what is better about the WD red SA700. PCie 3 is OK, .. my Dell also has a PCi 3 .. So why do I, as a quality-conscious Dell user, have to buy the WD 700. What is the difference? ..so to speak the secret of the high TBW performance?
fantastic video. As a photographer looking to store and edit photos on a M1 macbook pro, would you recommend this?
Stick to your current impartial style. You're extremely knowledgable, and I'm learning from you even as a "seasoned" builder. 1 million subs before 2023, no doubt.
Best reviews on youtube. No rants, no editorializing, just the facts you need to make an informed purchase. Let the product speak for itself.
@@christopherjackson2157 Couldn't agree more! Linus Tech is a circus of drama and even will resort to emotional breakdowns on camera for clicks. There are others trying to develop a schtick to draw in audiences, but I just want reviews backed up with data. Of course it doesn't hurt the host is easy on the eyes but no fault of hers.
This be some good flirting
You are wrong :(
still 256K soo far from 1M 😢
2:05 - Agree with you regarding the sticker - "Yeah, you should have 100% faith in our ability to make products which require nanometer precision, despite the fact that we were incapable of putting on a sticker correctly!"
Exactly. Show that you care about your product.
Sticker placement is within acceptable parameters. 🤓
Maybe the sticker is on an angle on purpose. Like all the kids these days needlessly using the Dutch Angle with every single photo they take.... /s
5000 MB/s is middle of the pack. What a world in which we live.
You can read the entire drive in less than 4-7 minutes.
haha For real! I love it!
You guys are awesome 👌 this is the last thing I'm looking at buying for a build
The sticker threw me off too! Haha. Nice video, keep it up.
I got a WD Black SN770 and I love it's performance. I play indie games at 1440p, I edit video at 1080p using Davinci Resolve and for $59.99 for 1tb NVME Gen 4 I can't complain for it performance. Excellent information, I love the way how you provide us the nif and the video edition. I'm watching from the Dominican Republic.
Im glad for your experience in this SSD, I want to buy this ssd for edit 1080p video
Thank you for the review. I'm grabbing the 500 GB version today.
Just checked, the sticker was straight on mine. Disaster averted.
Too funny. And, when it arrives, I will have to report on the one that I ordered. 🤭
Very good quality review, thx ! But I may regret getting a SN850 not long ago now! 😉
Appreciate you adding that little blurb about performance boost under Win 11 with the DDR5 Ram and the new 12900.
Set looks dope!
Quality of your videos and especially presentation is very good and still keeps improving! Thumbs up!
You don't go super deep into some aspects as to the complete 'why' of things, although your brief mentions to these things and my own (hopefully sufficient) knowledge does mean that i trust what you are saying, albeit with a caution of my own responsibility in the end. At least that's the vibe I'm getting of your videos and i like it!
groetjes uit Hengelo. :)
I just got a 2TB drive of this SN770 for 73USD. What a bargain! I used Macrium Reflect to migrate my System SSD to it and so far, everything works just as it was on the older drive i had, a SN750 500gb.
Mine had no sticker issues 😅😅
holy mother of inflation, in my country I can't get one for less than 137,5$
Oh? Thank you for a comprehensive dive into this drive. It is on a "I ought not to pass up on this" sale price on NewEgg in Canada. Due to not being a gamer, well, unless we count MS Solitaire,😊it's perfect for my needs. Thanks again.
the video looks and sounds so professional, i just bought the 250gb capacity version and hope it allows my pc to run much faster considering the only drive i'm using rn is a hdd which i've heard are miles slower than an ssd. video was very nicely put together, you just got a new sub
Thanks! And i would do a clean reinstall on the new SSD. It should feel waaay more responsive!
Love your videos. My favourite pc tech channel 👍
getting mine this week !
I really admire your talent to make short but effective videos. Always on point with the most important information about relevant products.
Thanks for the early review as I only even learned about this SSD through tech site press releases today! One thing I would like to see added to your testing, if possible, is something which specifically benchmarks 4k random performance (even something simple like Crystal Disk Mark). While most modern SSDs do seem to be limited by NAND more than anything else in these tests it can still be an important variable for use case.
Assuming nothing changes with the hardware of the drives this sounds like it could be really good as a secondary drive for games etc. I currently use a pair of 1tb SATA SSDs for most of my games and all local storage with my OS and select games being on my NVMe drive.
I am an OCD person and I totally agree with you about the sticker.
*Great review!*
The stickers are placed by hand after being checked, love.
Thank you - very informative
Keep up the good work :)
Very informative thank you
Your video is what convinced me to go for it last year ..got the 1TB model for $45 (it costs more than 4x that price where i live, so that was definitely a steal 😎) ..i use it mostly for gaming and haven't encountered any issues whatsoever which made me want to buy the 2TB version today for my first build and i manage to get it for $85, which i think is another steal! 😁 ..as far as price/performance, i think its one of the best NVME SSD you can get at the moment!
So, a year late, but thank you very much for this very professional and informative video! 😀
P.S: the sticker on the 1TB model came perfectly alligned 🙃😅..hopefully the 2TB will follow suit, but if it doesn't, i'll still keep it!😋
Really enjoying content and presenting style. Here in the UK on Amazon there has seems to be a push on Integral SSD's but i've struggled to find any useful information on them. Is that a brand you might have time to look into?
Hello from Canada!!! Great Review of the WD770. I'm very interested in this drive for my main Gaming RIG, but I did happen to see what exact memory chip and controller your test unit had in the description. Would be greatly appreciated to have that knowledge before making a buying decision.😀😀😁😁
I was an avid Samsung fan since my first SSD, Samsung 830. Then bought 840, 850, 860 and afterwards went on NVME 970 EVO Plus and 980 Pro. My SATA drives still work perfectly, although I don't use them anymore. However, all my NVME went broke in less than a year and one in less than 6 months. Now I got the Western Digital SN 770 Gen 4 1TB and Crucial P3 Gen 4 1TB. I'm extremely happy with both. Heavy gaming, countless times reinstalled Windows 10 and 11 and thus far, zero problems. Let alone they're much cheaper, too. I got each for 44€ and 46€ respectively, only.
Never had any problems with all my Samsung SSDs for last 5+ years, only problem I've had is with a Intel SSD.
Excellent, thorough video, love it! Do you sometimes use content creation benchmarks like Blender and Resolve for real world performance applications? Subscribed
Great video I bought this drive in the black Friday sales this year and I've yet to test it out, I'm planning on pairing it with an RTX 4070 12gb but I'm waiting for the January sales to see what happens after nvidia announce their new rtx super cards. I also have an msi Pro B650-S WiFi motherboard and a ryzen 7600 cpu
Nice and cheap!
The sticker that is not straight, adds to the cheapness and I like it XD
i like the part where vault tec holds the NVME smiling
Something that no online testers seem to cover is use of M.2 drives in external enclosures. (I know there are many ready-made USB 3 devices but I like the dual use possibilities.) Consistency should be less of a factor, SLC cache performance might or might not be, power draw and thermal performance probably would be. I know the variables are numerous because of the plethora of enclosures out there, but ...
Please think about doing such a test; you'd have almost no competition with regard to viewers since this use case seems to be universally ignored.
Love your channel!
Właśnie kupiłem sn770 by zrobić z niego pendrive 1 TB bardzo dobrze się spisuje. Biorąc pod uwagę dzisiejsza cenę ten dysk w cenie 50 USD na Amazon nie ma konkurencji. Ale racja dobrze by było przetestować różne adaptery nvme bo nie które mają bardzo słaba wydajność w praktyce
@@mrbeckham666
Thanks for the feedback! Some time back, NVMe based USB 3.2 gen 2 drives were very reasonably priced on Amazon. I bought a number of them for both myself and family members. I have an SN770 and it works great in my computer. I'd not yet tried it in an external enclosure. The lack of a DRAM cache had worried me. It's nice to know that the SN770 doesn't fall flat in an enclosure.
The small details are just as important as the bit ones.
This sticker would drive me OCD crazy :D
I'm with you on the wonky sticker! ... Little things like that bug me too! ... I'm a bit of a perfectionist, but I'm mellowing slightly as I get older, and I'm trying to be more accepting of life's little imperfections .. and wonky stickers! 🤣
That sounds more like insecurity than a cope - coming from personal experience.
I have to agree with that sticker placement criticism,
It's kind of like a work of art on the wall that isn't perfectly centred,
Not that it matters if it's in a pc,
Out of sight Out of mind as "They say",
I got this drive 2TB for $80. I keep watching reviews to see what the catch is but the more I watch the more I’m sold on it. Was planning to get a 1TB SN850x as my main but at this point I might just keep this.
Can't really argue with that value at $80
WD recently stepping up their game. Plenty of nice choices. Great to hear. Thanks Techtesters for review.
DRAM-less is going to be great for longevity
They didnt have longevity issues tho.... A drive MUST have dram. This is in the same boat as a WD-Blue drive now, and not a real option for a system.
WD: Removes the D-ram chip and sells it at the same exact price of previous model WITH the D-Ram "wow they really stepped it up" ............bro what XD
I agree about the sticker. That would drive me crazy lol
Agreed, especially if you have pc hw OCD.......like myself
This SSD is completely fine for PS5, it's only a fraction not even a second slower than the original one. There's actually a pretty good test here on RUclips.
i love your sticker rant but i totally agree with you
The fast latency and lesser consistency might be use of exceptionally faster but smaller cache, (cache memory being a common component of fast NVME drives).
I thought it was thermal throttling.
That junk has no DRAM at all. It has "SLC cache", which means it just dumps everything into the cells and tries to sort things in idle cycles, which cuts its TBW down to 25% and causes speed drops.
Lol my sticker was on straight 😊
I’d want to return it over that sticker 😂
Please include the Crucial P5 in future performance comparisons.
Should be coming :)
This ssd works surprisingly well on my ps5 tbh.
Thank you.
Thinking of getting for a laptop.
thorough review as always. but i imagine if the sticker is plastered on manually at the factory it would be tough to do it perfectly straight, as they would probably be doing 20 per minute.
Why the heck would you they do it manually?
I might use this for storage a Linux drive and one for gaming as it shouldn’t be a bad choice for it
With so many different brands of ssd,its pretty hard to choose which one to buy.I guess it will depend on the budget of the users and what task they do.
1st priority TBW to size, 2nd priority must have DRAM, 3rd priority speed. Not really hard.
Thumbs up for the sticker remark🤣🤣
I've bought a few WD Black drives in the past, but since they got caught switching controllers in some of their drives, I've held off till I see some kind of "positive" change in their future products! The fact that they are hiding details like this tells me that they still haven't changed one bit. WD is a No-Go for me! 👎🤦♂️
well, just telling my experience, i bought their WD Green SSD on May 2021. within 4-5 months it's ssd health drop to 70%. this is just aweful. luckily still in warranty and I issued for RMA. yet, it took almost a month of solve the issue and end up by they replacing with the new unit. since then, i never want to use this brand again.
@@KikiDaily09 LOL then tell us WHAT BRAND should we use?? For every single brand there's someone saying it's absolute shit
Samsung is switching their controllers as well.
@@KikiDaily09 WD Green SSDs are slow and have poor endurance ratings. A check of the specs before you bought it would have revealed this.
But most people buy based on price alone. Then complain it's crap. It's a case of you get what you pay for.
@@KikiDaily09 you should have bought wd elements blue one not the green one.I have the blue.Its performance is pretty decent
thanks a lot... ✌
Thank you for answering my question regarding a PS5 upgrade. I was so hoping this was the value drive I’ve been looking for…but nope. 😢😢😢
You may already know but there’s a few comments on this video from fellow ps5 owners who said it’s working for them. What did you end up going with?
I hope it works for ps5 bcz I just order today
Is this a good buy for laptop considering the temps!
currently am looking out for a 2TB for OS,
Crucial P5+ $135
WD SN770 $118
Crucial P3+ $125
Crucial P3 $97
Any kind advice on which is more suitable (DRAM vs DRAMless, using 2*DDR5 4800mhz 16gb) and worthed?
For some reason in Romania the Corsair MP600 (not core or Pro) is the best priced 2tb Gen 4 SSD
Basically WD’s flash array architecture is better than anyone else, it’s called BICS 5 here, was BICS 4 for the SN850 and with less NAND layers it beats B47R or Samsung’s V-NAND easily
I smell golden sample like what companies always do when they launch a new piece of hardware. Would love for you to revisit this drive later on when they are in shops for a while and see if they cheaped out on the flash memory
Oh, you already addressed it. Like you said, they do this switcheroo often. And they should be shamed accordingly.
Would make for a nice piece of evidence for a refund request. Doubt they'd risk the scandal.
Bait and switch is a criminal activity in any other industry but tech.These companies need to be charged accordingly, but too bad they pay a lot of political contributions. Years after the petition for the strict laws, our congress turned a deaf ear to consumers.
@@MandoMTL they already did and said "fuck you" to the costumers. It wouldn't be the first, and for sure not the last brand who will do this
@@klaymoon1 exactly, you wanna act like a no good criminal piece of shit. You should be treated like it. So when a company does this, without a good explanation, hold them accountable. As it's said here it's a budget ssd. A budget ssd that outperformed top line. That shit is fishy, and i can smell it miles away. Im going with golden sample for now. Time will tell if they go criminal.
For anyone wondering, I’m Currently using the sn770 for my ps5 and it works great. Can’t tell the difference between the internal ssd and the sn770
Price difference between 770 and 850 is marginal in my place. Which one should I get? 🤔
@@theyeshhh if the price isn’t a factor then I suggest you just get the 850.
But if you would rather not spend more money, then the 770 from my testing works perfectly. Nice and fast and I’ve had 0 problems.
@@fresco_dinero5155 thanks 👍
I was stoned a'f and accidentally purchased this for my PS5 from best buy fooled me because I swear it had a PS5 compatibility sign idk but I got it and put it in my PS5 with a third party heatsink and it's working lol
@@tucson2portland 😂😂
Nice video
that.... doesn't that seem kinda odd that the idle tempurature is... warmer than i expected
I've never managed to put a sticker on straight in my life... Maybe I can get a job there?
Lol...well since the sn770 is new you could possibly be employed for quite some time.
WAIT... so does the SSD not look like it does on the packaging with the full length black sticker?! Why would you put an image on the product box that is not representative of the product?
Who knows. Maybe those sn770s with the crooked sticker may become collectors items and be worth big $$ in 20 yrs
please make review on colorful ssds
Subbing because I agree with the sticker thing.
Is it an issue that this doesn't have dram? Would it be a noticeably worse boot drive than an sn850x?
Good job, your sincerity is appreciated, in my opinion I think the best m.2 pci4 is the Samsung 980 pro, what do you think... thanks
This drive is nothing compared to a 980 pro. This is a low quality drive.
It is interesting that the price difference between this and the green SN350 is very small, but the
SN350 has a scary bad endurance figure (100 TBW for the 2TB). Yes, you read that right, 12 times lower than the SN770.
Definitely don't buy the SN350. Decent SSDs are usually barely more expensive.
Is SN770 good for gaming or should I go for SN850x, if its a small difference I prefer the cheaper SN770. Does DRAM makes a great difference in performance?
What u mean heavy duty or task? Can u explain me? Something like 3D modeling? Autocad 3D ? or multitasking?
My tech mama just put a new vid!
The sticker on my SN750 SE is also on crooked lol
Im using it as a secondary drive, storing steam games on it since I ran out of room. Im running games from it as a secondary drive and noticing some stuttering and long load times.
Mine doesn't let me use the last 500 GBS of the drive u having the same issue?
If SN850 and SN770 are at the same price I'm better off with Sn770 as main drive? Seems better overall in your review.
Sn850 is on sale on Amazon for U$270 for 2tb.
Great but very difficult question! The SN770 looks better for most light/medium cases, and the SN850 is better for heavy work and PS5 use.
My only concern is how the SN770 will do on an older system, as it uses HMB so it benefits from a fast test system. Something we're looking into right now! :)
@@TechTesters oh, great. Thanks for answering. The sn850 was tested on the same system?
I myself have a 3700x with x570 and ddr4, so I might go with sn850 just in case.
just got the WD_BLACK SN770 1TB, M.2 2280, NVMe SSD, Gaming Drive, Gen 4 PCIe, Read speeds up to 5150 MB/s on sale 71 pounds hoping for good performance fingers crossed my old fire cuda 510 bit the bullet so this video give me some idea kinda sounds like the 770 is in the middle of the road or even maybe ?
i have it on my ASRock Z370 Extreme4
and the wd black sn 770 is not seen on the bios
the samsung 980 and PNY 500 GB XLR8 CM3031 are working in the bios can you help
More algoritme comment and timing of this SSD is great after the big roundup.
4:33 - I would like to assume that the latency of the SSDs is measured in nanoseconds and not milliseconds, right?
It should be microseconds. 😬 good catch though, thanks! I’ll fix the graphs for next time!
Should I use this 1TB as a external drive in Asus rog Arion?
You should look at adata legend 840
Given that this has no DRAM cache, is it still recommended to use this as an OS/boot C: drive?
Keen to know too, currently am looking out for a 2TB for OS,
Crucial P5+ $135
WD SN770 $118
Crucial P3+ $125
Crucial P3 $97
Any kind advice on which is more suitable and worthed?
Ten dysk ma topową wydajność praktycznie nic mu nie brakuje. Nie ma sensu dopłacać do droższych
HMMM can't decide. this or kc3000? i mostly do coding and gaming and CAD design. no long read/write unless i'm writing big files, but.... hmmmmm
xpg s70 blade best budget gen 4 drive.... dont know why people dont cover this one more
2:10 Mat Moniz would ike a word with you :P
Very Pricey. Kingston KC3000 is much cheaper and faster. But great review. Thx.
I got it for like 60 bucks for the 500gb version so i ain't complaining
The Sn-750 was also only 60$.....But it actually had Dram and was a good drive.....
I would like to see benchmark and performance of SK Hynix Gold S31 NVMe SSD also by any chance ?.
no eta on an SK Hynix SSD atm :(
Where are the controller and memory numbers? I thought they were supposed to be somewhere in the comment sections
So regarding using it for consoles, I don't recommend it as PS5 at least, most probably XsX also don't support HMB, which is crucial in performance consistency metrics over time.
HMB in essence uses PC RAM as Cache instead of the NVME drive needing DRAM cache on it's own.
The consequences of that is when the buffer overloads at above 337GB of transfer, your Sequential Speed plumets from 5000 Mb/s down to 500 Mb/s, still faster than SATA but a lot slower than nvme drives with dedicated DRAM cache on board like WD SN850 or Samsung 980 Pro, which after 5-10 minutes of Sequential Writes still continue at over 1.5Mb/s.
So basically when transfering ton of games from PS5 integrated storage to Nvme drive it will take you 1/3 the time or at worse half the time when compared to storage without DRAM like SN770.
You realise, about 1/100 people will transfer more than 337 gigs of games at once? And you only need to do it once! Once the games are on the drive it's all READS
@@Neosin1
Yeah that is still 66% faster, if you transfer 700gb or 7 games.
So you realise, this information is important depending on the price difference.
That can be a big difference of couple hours faster.
Even with 1 game that can be done a lot faster.
Basically in most of EU SN770 cost almost as much as SN850, so obviously SN850 would be a better choice.
Just this week SN850 1TB was going for 94EUR and 2TB for 180EUR.
While SN770 was going for only couple EUR cheaper.
@@KryssN1 You are totally right and im so happy to see someone else make a point of it. The SN 750 used Dram. It was the same price. Now, this NEW 770 is a standard garbage d-ram less drive, and shouldn't be considered for any reason. There ARE options as the same price with d ram, so there is no selling point, its just a bad drive. Such a shame considering the SN 750 was my go to recommendation for a drive.
Do you have any comparison between this and s70 blade? The s70 blade is about 20$ cheaper and I've been wondering if it performs better than thr SN770
No S70 Blade yet, hopefully soon.
sabrent 2 tb q4 for $200; what's the comparison? msrp on this @ same capacity for $269? is 400mb/s extra really worth an extra $70; me thinks not
Bought the 500GB drive. VERY fast !
Dram? Please explain if this matters. I heard this causes problems for mapping. I'm not sure if corporation jargon marketing is really true about using ram/CPU really helps (and if it does...is it a good idea).
Do not consider ANYTHING that does not use Dram! Dram is what separates low quality drives from the high quality drives. I would recommend watching the LTT video on the importance of D-ram, it really drives the point home.
What do you recommend between sn770 and XPG gammox s70 blade. I want to use it as my arounder kind of drive. 😂
Me too