STOP Winning to Start Improving at Pickleball
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2024
- If you're winning, you're getting better right? Not necessarily. A lot of players fall into this insidious trap where they're doing whatever they need to do to win games, but they're not improving as players. In this video, I break down this trap, why it slows down your progression, and what you should do instead.
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This is a great guide! The best advice I've gotten is to "play like a 5.0". Pretend you are an advanced player and hit the shots they would hit, not what you are comfortable hitting. You'll make more errors, but you'll be practicing the shots you most need to learn to level-up.
My problem is that I’m playing to win tomorrow but my partner is playing to win today.
Time to play singles!
This is genuinely one of the best videos on this topic I've ever seen. Thank you. Shared with my team
This is great and I see this all the time. Friendly amendment to the strategy: every time you go play non-tournament matches, have 1 (2 max) things you are focused on for the day, which all accrue to the 5 things mentioned in the vid. Thanks for the content
This is really great advice, thanks so much! The past couple weeks I have been doing exactly what you say in this video; don’t think about winning, just concentrate on improving. For me that means going for drop shots instead of just slamming the ball all the time. I’m not winning quite as many games, but I can feel myself improving and that is a big win!
You are 100% right on! I am using this same philosophy of game today and my game it's improving a lot. Thank you!
Thank you for saying this. It's hard to stick with it
Good advice. Experienced this at my park since I started in June. Several guys I thought were great have not changed a bit. Just got to keep trying to master the fundamentals.
Man this was a great video that I needed to absorb. I have been in a funk of losing many games though my game is improving and having this validation that these skills are the right skills to have helps! As for the video, I love watching some Johns bros but every clip was either what to do or not to do it as you even said not a good example??? But still there point was perfect and I will think about this as I continue to try and improve even while loosing
Good video, I find that im trying to win today too and havent grown too much because of it as well. Will try to implement it on my next games
Love this!! Thanks for the amazing content!
Great advice!!!
Outstanding. Best video yet.
The goat released another banger
Great vid! Can you tell me more about the 3 person drills you talk about at the end?
Well, essentially you either have top skills or you level off. Unless you go pro, you will be pro am at best. And the best usually have almost no weaknesses.
Thanks for the good video.
Best pickleball content in the game!
I've played with too many people who just want to win now at all costs, always hitting to the weaker player. Two years later they're still mediocre players, never challenging themselves or trying different shots.
This is a pretty confusing video format. The ideas are solid, but after each of the five ideas of what TO do, your example video shows what NOT to do, without a heads up. Each time I was confused. Only after watching all 5 did I realize that you were intentionally showing what not to do.
#1 Serve and return deep at 4:01
#2 Third and transition zone at 4:58
#3 Fourth shot at 6:09
#4 Dink consistently at 7:15
#5 Punish mistakes at 8:00
Maybe it's just the way I personally learn, but I would have expected to first see an example of the pros doing the tip and being rewarded, then a clip of them not doing the tip and being punished.
It blows my mind that people I started playing against 2.5 yrs ago play the EXACT same way today.
Of the 50 or so people I play with on a regular basis (all 3.0-4.0), maybe 5 people have significantly improved or even added one shot/skill/strategy they didn’t have have day 1. Many folks are using the lob instead of a drop shot, which is effective at getting the return team off the kitchen, but then follow up with a drive or more lobs 🙄
I would be worth identifying who is actually trying to use the 5.0 strategy, and talking to them about drilling and playing in more games with them and their group. Even if they’re much better than you are now, most folks are willing to play a few games with lower rated players.
If you don’t see anyone doing that in your usual spot, check out other places.
Might be dumb question but say I wanna work on just dinking or midpoint I’m not trying I win but someone popped it up should I just attack it since it’s an opportunity or let the ball bounce and work on the dunks
The number one point was effectively missed here.
I play open rec. There are any number of guys with tremendous power and control who won't dink to save their lives. You tuck the ball softly below the net, they attack it anyway. You can pretty much _never_ get into a dink rally. But they win enough of these stupid attacks to keep doing it, because they have 5.0 racquetball skill. The ball comes uphill right at you with massive top. There's so much top it will probably land inbounds despite the immense pace. You have almost no time to get your paddle in front of the ball. One guy alters the direction of his paddle face during the last eight inches of his paddle stroke enough to attack you on either side, with mostly the same swing mechanics.
There's one one defensive formation that works reliably, especially when your lovely dink is coming back at you from wide. For both you and your partner, there needs to be a straight line that crosses just over the net, between defensive paddle and the contact point of your opponent's ball strike. Ideally your dominant shoulder is roughly on the same line. If so, you won't even have to move your paddle if the ball hisses just over the net cord directly toward your dominant shoulder. Ideally the person guarding the line fully commits to that side, and the person guarding the middle fully commits to taking shots to the middle on the same hand-all the way to partner's shoulder. You need to be pretty close together to make this work. It's certainly easier with a tall guy with long arms guarding the middle.
If you set up like this, any ill-advised uphill attack is doomed to fail. Both of your paddles are sitting one-sided on your opponent's favourite uphill lines of attack. It's probably a guy in a muscle shirt. He's either going to need to learn to like losing, or he's going to need to learn to attack at sharp angles crosscourt. He can't hit these as hard without the ball going out. If he sets up his toes to attack the near line, it will be mechanically difficult for him to attack the far sideline with pace at an acute angle. He'd be wiser to hit it soft. If he does hit it soft, you've got a bit of a run in your future. The person defending the middle will have to chase it down with their feet. Again, this works better with a tall guy with long arms and legs guarding the middle, but many athletic women have more than enough jump.
Now you've got the guy who moments ago was scoring aces down the line with his 5.0 racquetball skill attempting long, slow crosscourt shots at unfamiliar angles. Mr 5.0 is now Mr 3.0. And you are finally dinking. Well done.
The downside is that it's insanely difficult in open recreation to get a random partner onto this defensive page where you reliably punish an ill-advised attack by a banger in tight who normally hits ten uphill crushing topspin rolls to every reluctant dink.
This is even worse outdoors where the banger has the luxury of hitting into a stiff headwind where a diving spin will even land an uphill smash in bounds. Into a strong headwind a really good former racquetball player can fire cord-kissing topspin aces from the NVL after a soft bounce that sat up barely to the top of his sweat socks. Even then, if you can get your paddle onto that line before the ball strike, and you can fully commit to one side (backhand or forehand) you've got a decent chance to bat it back. 10 feet at 30 feet per second is 333 ms (example ball with 20 mph ground speed, 10 mph air speed into a stiff wind). Average reaction time of a middle-aged person to mass a mouse button after a random visual cue is about 275 ms. Great idea to already have the defensive paddle _exactly_ in the way before the ball strike.
Hardly anyone at intermediate rec plays one-hand-takes-the-entire-middle, with the compressed partnership spacing that this implies. It's something you need to do to discipline an opponent who overcommits to ill-advised attacks, especially on balls coming back from near the sideline, or you will never dink, ever, in those games.
You should make a video of this strategy.
So I’m running into a problem with getting stuck. I’m trying to get better, I’m playing a lot. However I feel as if I’m starting to out grow the people that I played with. Anyone who can’t consistently get to the kitchen I am destroying every time. However if I play better people who can I get destroyed because I haven’t found a group of people to play/drill with consistently. It also doesn’t help I’m younger all things considered and the area I live in is more rural/suburban with a small population of younger competitive pickleball players who try to get the kitchen. Many players are 60+ that are 3.0 max. There are very few that have the strategy to win tomorrow. I don’t mean to sound arrogant but if you play with people that literally never play with this strategy and I get to the kitchen maybe 3x/game it’s hard to get better. I hit drops all the time but the people can’t get to them and pop it up for a put away. I’ll probably be moving to a more pickleball prevalent city for my job soon.
Same story in my area. I suggest persistence and doing extra work to make it easier for people to drill with you, like setting up a regular time/place, creating a chat group or using an app like PickleHeads to help setup drilling sessions.
It took me 6+ months of asking folks about drilling to find one person who’d do it more than once. Then, working together, we found 5-6 more people who would drill every couple weeks. After 3-4 months, I’m able to drill 2-3 times a week with a few people close to my skill level (4.0), and there are 5+ folks around 3.5 I’m more than willing to drill with because I’ll get some good reps in, though the balls I get won’t be as consistent.
@@madrum wow thanks that is some really good advice. I didn’t even know there’s an app for this. I figured with the boom of the sport there would be.
Yeah the winter months are brutal. I’m in south central PA so outside is not viable 95% of time so limited court space. There are about two clubs 35 minutes in each direction of me.
My biggest issue is that I’ve progressed so quickly that I’m so new no one knows who I am. In two months I’ve gone from novice to getting the best of a lot of 3.5 but having moments and losing to 4.0+. Which is good for two months but I don’t know if the players but I doubt they know me. One of the clubs holds an advanced ladder but you need a partner and since I’m so new, I don’t know too many advanced players. I just need to ask more people. Also I could be moving to a city if I get an internship. So naturally a higher player base
When Pablo hit the decent drop that bounced a little high…how do you prevent dinks from bouncing high?
Hit your thirds with topspin so that it's harder to attack because of the kick, or with backspin so that they bounce lower.
Move up cautiously and be in a good defensive position for the next shot. If you see the ball is going to bounce and you rush up, it’s too easy to get caught off guard. But, if you’re ready, you have a good chance of getting the next ball.
Also, know that you don’t have to hit anything above your waist, because it’s going out, so have your paddle low to decrease movement needed to return the ball and make sure swing is very short and compact.
you are god
Patrick didn’t drill. Emily did.
So what you're trying to say is...Patrick Mouratoglou is bad at pickleball!
I swear I’m improving 😂
The best people at pickleball are the ones who don’t play. I made almost 3 million last year and I still played but I go and I don’t talk to anyone and I never go to meet people. I just go and don’t chit chat unless it’s a hot girl and she likes my body, face, car or she heard I’m a roller. My friends would ditch me if I brought a pb player to one of their parties.