One of the classiest, witty, urbane programs to ever appear on TV. The panel, with John Daly, cannot be topped. Nor could this program ever be recreated, So glad it is still available.
Charles Henry The syndicated WML was okay but lacked the class and sophistication of the original. I've heard rumors recently of an attempt to create a new WML, but I shudder to think what a 21st century version would be like! I think you are correct in saying that a show with the kind of class and chemistry -- not to mention the huge share of the Sunday night television audience -- that the original WML had can never be recreated.
SaveThe TPC I agree totally. The syndicated WML lacked the class and sophistication of the original Maybe for those of us that watched and remember the original, it is a bit of nostalgia, but putting that aside, there is no comparison with the type of person today and the type of person back during WML'S heyday, A modern WML would be sadly lacking I'm afraid.
gcjerryusc i didn't find this channel intil a few months ago and I agree it couldn't be done today as well. But part of the charm for me isn't just the odd occupations we often see. A good part of it is, ath the point in time this show started, were the women who were in what was then considered "male" occupations. With the way the whole job markets have shifted in the intervening 60+ years, there are very few jobs that are dominated any more ny one gender or the other.
WML? can NEVER be actively reproduced in today's society, unless today's viewers valued and appreciated the show for what its premise was years ago - and the show's would-be producers operated strictly on those guidelines, which, because of today's viewers being exposed to everything, they would have a hard time doing...
A few years ago Password was done in Primetime and it was not very good…lousy in fact! Wtf when a classic game show is redone do they not follow the original. Jeopardy hasn’t changed except for dollar amounts in the last 40 years…why it is so faithfully watched by millions!
Jeanette MacDonald was indeed a very glamorous, beautiful and talented person. I love the sound of her voice so much - she and Nelson singing together was simply perfection
July 19, 2005: Suzanne A. Zinser-Rosenborg died of lung cancer July 9 at her home, Pennfields Farm. She was 77. Born in Cannstatt, Germany, she was a former resident of Westfield. A graduate of Skidmore College, she owned horses most of her life and was one of only two female thoroughbred trainers in America in the early 1950s, working under her maiden name, Suzanne Zinser. She appeared on TV shows including "What’s My Line?" and "Wide World of Sports" to discuss what was an unusual occupation at the time for women. At one time, she had 12 thoroughbreds on her farm and raced them at various tracks. Daughter of the late Richard H. and Paula Y. Zinser, she is survived by her husband, Rutger Rosenborg, a resident of Princeton in the 1940s who attended Princeton High School and was a member of the Princeton University Class of 1946; sons Richard Rosenborg of San Diego and Eric Rosenborg of New Providence; daughters Jennifer R. Fricke of San Diego, Victoria Rosenborg of Wilton, Conn., and Karina Rosenborg of South Fallsburg, N.Y.; and eight grandchildren.
I remember when she passed away I was only seven years old. One of the TV networks broadcast her funeral live for viewers and fans. I have tried to see if I can find a YT video of it, but it must not have been recorded on video tape. My mother adored Jeanette MacDonald and she was destroyed watching her funeral.
i respect your opinion but i myself find her to be a bit full of herself. i'd say there is no need for me to join her fan club as she appears to be her own biggest fan. i do very much like bennett cerf tho, and steve allen when he is on the panel :)
Paul LaD Arlene had brains, looks, talent, and a quick wit -- the complete package! I thought she seemed particularly sparkling and funny in almost a flirtatious way in this episode. nowvoyagerNE I disagree with you, but you are entitled to your opinion, and I appreciate the respectful way in which you expressed it.
I had no idea Jeanette MacDonald was so charming when not playing charming characters. I had no idea what kind of person she was in real life. She and John were really having fun. The "one question at a time, moving clockwise" introduced after this was a good change. There were times under these old rules when one panelist asked ten questions, guessed the celebrity and the others didn't have to make a contribution at all. How nice Robert Q. Lewis was to say that John Daly was his favorite quiz show moderator. Let's see. I was a year and a bit old when this first aired. I don't think my parents forced me to stay up until 11pm to watch! Thank you for bringing this episode to us all in the 21st century.
Jeanette MacDonald had one of the best smiles. Seems so warm and fun. Was sad they guessed her so quickly. Would've loved seeing her get more time on the show. But she got to talk a little afterward, which most of the celebrities guests don't get to do.
Exactly, I watch WML videos on a regular basis but mostly those from 1953 (Hal Block "leaving") to 1965 (Dorothy's death). I can watch the later ones but I really have a problem with the early ones because of Block, I was glad to find a 1952 episode without him!
Everyone says Hal Block was a sleaze yet everyone ignores it when Robert q Lewis says things like "Oh, I was hoping for a rub down" to the horse trainer. Block wasn't the only one to say things like that to female contestants.
Suzanne Zinser (later Rosenborg) trained on the New York City circuit (Belmont, Aqueduct, Saratoga and now-defunct Jamaica). She was about 24 at the time. To give an idea of how much this show dates us, jockey Frank Amonte Sr., who's now 78 and who won a race a day shy of his 70th birthday, was a teenage apprentice and got some of his first mounts from Zinser.
Tom Barrister From the 2001 Skidmore College "Scope Magazine" -- class notes on the class of '49: www.skidmore.edu/scope/fall2001/classnotes/40s.html "To my surprise, Suzanne Zinser Rosenborg also happened to be in town. She is still training horses, although she recently reduced her thoroughbred stable from 12 to six. Suzanne resides on a 47-acre farm in Stockton, NJ. She has five children and eight grandchildren."
I spent the first 8 years of my life in a house two blocks from the north side of Aqueduct Race Track. It was upgraded significantly during that period in anticipation of the closing of Jamaica (tp be sold off to housing developers in what became known as Rochdale Village). After the upgrade, at 5 PM when racing was at Aqueduct, it would be wall to wall cars on 108th Street waiting for the light at Liberty Avenue to turn green. That was when my brother's stickball game would have to break up and he and his friends would either sit on the stoop and talk baseball or go to someone's house and watch whatever programming was on at that time of interest (like Superman or Abbott & Costello reruns). I wasn't allowed to play in the street when we moved and I only got to play stickball a couple of times when we went back to the old neighborhood and I was now old enough. Forget dolls. I wanted to play stickball, a wonderful game. I was pretty good, too. But none of the kids played it (or wanted to) where we moved to. My brother and I would hit to each other occasionally, but it wasn't the same.
The two women panelists, especially Dorothy Kilgallen, were much better at ferreting out the guest's line than the men. Dorothy was very clever at wording her questions to get a "Yes", often resorting to double negatives or "Is it not _______?".
Loved Rose Marie and Maytime! Such a Heavenly Couple ...sad it didn't work out, but in Screen it was Highly Romantic!! Beautiful Era and Costuming by Adrian Sparkled with Brilliance!!
In my opinion, one of Jeanette MacDonald's best films was _San Francisco_ from 1936. Nelson Eddy didn't happen to be in that one. In fact, MacDonald was the only singing star in this musical picture. She played an opera singer newly arrived in San Francisco in the early 20th century, in search of a career. Her co-stars were Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy, neither of whom sang. The movie features the rousing song, "San Francisco", which was eventually adopted by the City as its official song, replacing "I Left My Heart in San Francisco". It also features pretty amazing special effects recreating the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. The film was from the same year as _Rose Marie_, which featured Nelson Eddy as a singing Mountie. They rewrote the story, changing the title role from a backwoods Canadian girl who wore buckskins to an sophisticated opera singer, just so they could cast Jeanette MacDonald in the part. _Rose Marie_ is worth watching just to experience Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald singing the duet "Indian Love Call" with the mountainous lakes and forests of Canada as a backdrop.
I was born in '62, and like watching these old reruns and then looking up the guest challengers to learn about their lives and about the 50s and 60s. One thing that has surprised me is how 'frisky' Daly and the panelists all were - I had thought the 50s were a bit more staid.
Jeanette MacDonald was quite something in "The Merry Widow". Supposedly, she did not get along with her co star Maurice Chevalier. But you could not tell that from the film. She is simply stunning early in the film when singing from the balcony with her hair down.
@@accomplice55 - I agree that in 1967 (The Summer of Love) the 'Flowers' certainly was going on. I was 14 years then, living in the Netherlands, and remember it well. It had already spread out from San Fransisco.
Might be more have been more of a accessory decorative item to celebrate the Christmas Season, as was originally presented on December 21 telecast 1952.
GREAT show!!!!! There's no way that Suzanne Zinser could have been (or would have been) one of the contestants if Hal Block were on the panel this week. (Which brings up a question: was this Robert Q. Lewis's first appearance as a panelist on WHAT'S MY LINE?) Nor, given Hal Block's sloppy kiss planted on Bette Davis's cheek several weeks before, do I think that the production staff would have run a similar risk in having Jeanette MacDonald as Mystery Guest if Mr. Block were on the panel, either. And Miss MacDonald (or Mrs. Raymond, if you prefer) is, indeed, still a very glamorous woman and a very gracious and charming LADY..... And I don't think that my ears don't deceive me: Bennett Cerf seems to be battling laryngitis on this episode, too. And good for Robert Q. Lewis in figuring out Lester Reppert's "line"; that was, indeed, a "toughie." And, for the first time in a few weeks, the show is able to fit in a fourth contestant (counting the Mystery Guest as one) instead of just three. Again, thank you very much for sharing these gems with us!!!!!!
No, Robert Q. Lewis was on the panel twice before this, 7/15/51 and 1/20/52. I don't think either show is available, though (I certainly don't have them).
There were some real sopranos in the movie Jeanette,Grayson,Dunne and also Ann Blythe,Jane Powell and Julie Andrews. and the marveleus Deanna Durbin the others were on Broadway..My favourite were Jeanette,Dunne , Durbin and Dame Julie.
I am loving this show! I’ve watched it in order so far and it’s such a charming, calm escape from a chaotic modern life! Arlene is my favourite although I like all the panel (even HB most of the time!). The only bit I find slightly annoying as time goes by is the voice the celebrity guest has to put on. It started off funny and I realise why they have to do it, but it does start to grate after a while. Thank you so much for uploading these, I’m really enjoying watching them.
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Zachary Dunlap-Tunnage Really? Where did you hear about this? The integration was such a complete and total disaster, it's long overdue. But I shudder to think what even worse problems they'll inevitably unleash by changing anything again. Virtually every change they've made has been for the worse, with a very few exceptions, like removing the character count limit on comments, e.g. Otherwise, a total disaster!
Wow! From 24:49 onward while listening in headphones and watching the laptop screen in front of me it is like the announcers voice is coming from the screen! Crazy. It has to do with the miking position and the mic selection among other things.
As I've watched this on my lunch hour in recent months I've come to two conclusions. The show wasn't the same after Dorothy's death and Hal Block and Robert Q. Lewis were both dorks. Just my opinions of course, others may certainly disagree.
Jeannette MacDonald was survived by her husband of many years, Gene Raymond. The relationship seems to have been quite unusual, if wikipedia is to be believed.
Jeanette was more like a sister to her husband because he preferred men. And she was in love and in a long relationship with Nelson Eddy. He was the true love of her life. Sad love story. They are in the middle of making a movie about Jeanette & Nelson.
"Forest Hills, Long island" is actually a neighborhood in New York City's Borough of Queens. So that answers the question from a few episodes back as to whether people from Queens ever say they're from Long Island.
Because there are umpteen places in the United States called Brooklyn, located in various states including one not far from New York City, Brooklyn, Connecticut. Since WML gets contestants from all over the U.S.A and even from foreign countries, making sure that the contestant actually means the borough of Brooklyn which is coterminous with Kings County, New York, makes good sense. Someone might possibly have turned up from Manhattan, Kansas, for that matter.
Skidmore girl, class of 49' eventually married WWII hero, Rut Rosenborg, trained horses for the rest of her life and owned houses in France and Switzerland. The horse facility is, or was located in N.J.
I am not quite sure why this was the case but according to wikipedia, Jeanette MacDonald's 1965 funeral was attended by former Presidents Truman and Eisenhower and future Presidents Nixon and Reagan.
You'd never know Jeanette MacDonald was 49 by looking at her here. Or that Robert Q. Lewis was only 31, she was old enough to be his mother and looks younger than he does. And wow, at times Lewis was coming on even harder than Hal Block sometimes did, I wonder if that was by design and he was intentionally using the same shtick
John goofed in deciding how to respond to the question Bennett asked at 13:05. Bennett says, "This product of yours could not possibly be used as legal tender in any part of the world, could it?" The contestant answers, "yes," meaning, "yes, it could be used as legal tender." From 13:15-13:17, John briefly mulls over the question and decides that "yes" was the correct response, but he was incorrect. The correct answer would be, "No, you are wrong to think that it could not possibly be used as legal tender."
This is true but Bennett formulated the question poorly by ending it with "could it?" Better to have asked, "Would I be correct in assuming that this product is not used as legal tender in any part of the world?"
Something tells me that Arlene did not mind sitting next to Robert Q. Lewis in this episode. The tension was more than apparent when she had to introduce Hal Block in the earlier weeks.
That was great when they had the fellow whom made gold bricks for the treasury (also showing the age of the show as I don't believe the treasury works with gold anymore) and the celebrities asked if it was something that a lady could wear around their necks.lol
Ladies and gentlemen, I read so many comments concerning Hal Bloch’s behavior. I agree that he didn’t project the upper middle class sophistication that was desirable to the viewing public. But I personally like him just because you can tell he came from a lower class background.
regarding the question as to whether a panelist had guessed an occupation during the 'free guess' segment, Arlene once guessed that a young woman was a lifeguard and Daly said that indeed she was. Daly then said that that was the third time that happened and one of the other times was when they guessed an atomic scientist by sight. Can't imagine how they were able to do that.
I made a whole video compiling the surviving correct free guesses (several were on shows that are lost). Check it out if you're interested! ruclips.net/video/pbj0uNMfoNI/видео.html
Lucinda Sommer Thanks for the thanks! :) The question of whether the free guesses were ever right comes up so often in comments, it seemed like a useful video to have available to point people to!
Gravydog316 I've already pasted a link in a comment above to a video that compiles all the correct free guesses. I'm not sure what point there is to linking to a 25 minute show instead.
Jeanette says she is chiefly a motion picture performer, but when this aired she had not been in one since a Lassie yarn three years earlier. Her heyday in musicals was long gone, and she would never film again.
Just look how humble these old time stars were. Not like today, preoccupied with theirfalse grandeur. Ugly an shallow and most of all, talentless...…..
Funny, in announcing Dorothy, the announcer says, "Let's meet our What's My Line panel, whose lines you already know, " at which point he tells the audience what Dorothy Kilgallen's line is, as if they didn't know. The panelists do the same for the panelist to their left. If we already know their lines, why tell us what they are? That phrase "whose lines you already know" was eventually removed. Maybe Goodson figured out the script made no sense.
I think this is the earliest available episode (possibly the first episode ever) where Daly uses what will become his catch phrase, "Will you come in, mystery challenger and sign in PLEASE!" with the emphasis on PLEASE
k9feline2 Really?!! This is already my second time through watching these episodes in order, but now you've got me wanting to go back and watch all the earlier shows _again_ to confirm this (and to refresh my memory of what he used to say) -- LOL! (Incidentally, the above-referenced phrase is at about 15:44 in this video.)
I've got to admit you got my curiosity up so I spot checked episodes from 1951, 1952 and a couple earlier in 1953 and he used his familiar catch phrase in each and every episode so I suspect he's been doing this since pretty close to the start of the series so I'm not sure what brought you to this conclusion.
k9feline2 It amazes me that he stuck with “Come in and sign in please” as long as he did before he figured out that “Enter and sign in please” was easier on the ear.
All the panel and John Daly were making quips about Miss Zinzer's beauty but nobody tried to kiss her, so that must be what Hal Block did to get fired. I'm puzzled as to why John Daly, who was from South Africa, reverts to an upper-class English accent when he explains a complex point. Arlene Francis does it too in other episodes when she says 'Jolly good!' It seems that an English accent was regarded at that time as something to copy or aspire to - in fact the panel members sound half-English and half-American.
John was born in South Africa only because his American parents were living there temporarily; his father was a geologist. His American "home town" was Boston; so was Arlene's. The mid-Atlantic accent you mention was then the standard of good diction and clarity, taught to actors, public speakers, broadcasters, and the like. The exaggerated upper-class English accent, on the other hand, was done as a joke, evoking comic butlers like Arthur Treacher in the movies, or characters with formal diction like Jeeves in books by P. G. Wodehouse; it was not John's native accent to "revert" to.
Some are quick to condemn John Daly as a wolf due to conferences. Clearly you miss the joking manor with which John conveys with all guests, male and female. RQL goes a little to far sometimes but no farther than Steve Allen and other male panelists. The one that was disgusting, crude and rude was Hal Block. I can't believe he was asked back after one appearance. Hal wasn't someone most women would find appealing, even in those days.
The US Government was melting gold into bars....You could not posses gold coins for some time....I'm sure those coins would be more valuable in the original state in 2024.
@gcjerryusc I have no problem with you expressing your opinion. I questioned your decision to literally "boo" and "hiss" (with all CAPS and multiple exclamation points, no less) at another commenter who expressed an opinion that was different from yours.
One of the classiest, witty, urbane programs to ever appear on TV. The panel, with John Daly, cannot be topped. Nor could this program ever be recreated, So glad it is still available.
Charles Henry The syndicated WML was okay but lacked the class and sophistication of the original. I've heard rumors recently of an attempt to create a new WML, but I shudder to think what a 21st century version would be like! I think you are correct in saying that a show with the kind of class and chemistry -- not to mention the huge share of the Sunday night television audience -- that the original WML had can never be recreated.
SaveThe TPC I agree totally. The syndicated WML lacked the class and sophistication of the original Maybe for those of us that watched and remember the original, it is a bit of nostalgia, but putting that aside, there is no comparison with the type of person today and the type of person back during WML'S heyday, A modern WML would be sadly lacking I'm afraid.
gcjerryusc i didn't find this channel intil a few months ago and I agree it couldn't be done today as well. But part of the charm for me isn't just the odd occupations we often see. A good part of it is, ath the point in time this show started, were the women who were in what was then considered "male" occupations. With the way the whole job markets have shifted in the intervening 60+ years, there are very few jobs that are dominated any more ny one gender or the other.
WML? can NEVER be actively reproduced in today's society, unless today's viewers valued and appreciated the show for what its premise was years ago - and the show's would-be producers operated strictly on those guidelines, which, because of today's viewers being exposed to everything, they would have a hard time doing...
A few years ago Password was done in Primetime and it was not very good…lousy in fact!
Wtf when a classic game show is redone do they not follow the original.
Jeopardy hasn’t changed except for dollar amounts in the last 40 years…why it is so faithfully watched by millions!
Jeanette MacDonald was indeed a very glamorous, beautiful and talented person. I love the sound of her voice so much - she and Nelson singing together was simply perfection
+GracieAlleyn The only bad thing was she hadn't better songs to sing.
A Hollywood Goddess.
Jeanette and Nelson did a lot more together than sing.
@@MickTheQuickk Wasn't it all business?
I AGREE 100#.THEY WERE WERE TRULY THE GREATEST.
July 19, 2005: Suzanne A. Zinser-Rosenborg died of lung cancer July 9 at her home, Pennfields Farm. She was 77.
Born in Cannstatt, Germany, she was a former resident of Westfield.
A graduate of Skidmore College, she owned horses most of her life and was one of only two female thoroughbred trainers in America in the early 1950s, working under her maiden name, Suzanne Zinser. She appeared on TV shows including "What’s My Line?" and "Wide World of Sports" to discuss what was an unusual occupation at the time for women.
At one time, she had 12 thoroughbreds on her farm and raced them at various tracks.
Daughter of the late Richard H. and Paula Y. Zinser, she is survived by her husband, Rutger Rosenborg, a resident of Princeton in the 1940s who attended Princeton High School and was a member of the Princeton University Class of 1946; sons Richard Rosenborg of San Diego and Eric Rosenborg of New Providence; daughters Jennifer R. Fricke of San Diego, Victoria Rosenborg of Wilton, Conn., and Karina Rosenborg of South Fallsburg, N.Y.; and eight grandchildren.
Thank you for your research, always interesting to know a bit more about the contestant’s lives than just a few fleeting minutes on the show.
So talented! Sad to think only 13 years later Jeanette Macdonald would be gone at the age of 61. RIP Jeanette Macdonald, woman was a legend!
I remember when she passed away I was only seven years old. One of the TV networks broadcast her funeral live for viewers and fans. I have tried to see if I can find a YT video of it, but it must not have been recorded on video tape. My mother adored Jeanette MacDonald and she was destroyed watching her funeral.
Sadly Dorothy very close to the same time. Dorothy was so charming.
and a voice for the ages
I just LOVE Jeanette MacDonald, for she was such a beautiful and wonderfully gracious and modest woman!! RIP, Miss. MacDonald.💕🥀
I adore Arlene Francis. She is amazingly insightful.
i respect your opinion but i myself find her to be a bit full of herself. i'd say there is no need for me to join her fan club as she appears to be her own biggest fan. i do very much like bennett cerf tho, and steve allen when he is on the panel :)
Paul LaD Arlene had brains, looks, talent, and a quick wit -- the complete package! I thought she seemed particularly sparkling and funny in almost a flirtatious way in this episode.
nowvoyagerNE I disagree with you, but you are entitled to your opinion, and I appreciate the respectful way in which you expressed it.
+SaveThe TPC She was such a neat lady. A friend of mine was very close to her so I had the good fortune to see her on several occasions.
+nowvoyagerNE Actually, Ms. Francis was a very down to earth, genuine lady.
Edward Harbur ... my comment was from over a year ago...and i stand by my previous comment.
Jeanette was such a wonderful singer. Her films were unforgettable with Allan Jones and Nelson Eddy.
I had no idea Jeanette MacDonald was so charming when not playing charming characters. I had no idea what kind of person she was in real life. She and John were really having fun. The "one question at a time, moving clockwise" introduced after this was a good change. There were times under these old rules when one panelist asked ten questions, guessed the celebrity and the others didn't have to make a contribution at all. How nice Robert Q. Lewis was to say that John Daly was his favorite quiz show moderator. Let's see. I was a year and a bit old when this first aired. I don't think my parents forced me to stay up until 11pm to watch! Thank you for bringing this episode to us all in the 21st century.
Jeanette MacDonald had one of the best smiles. Seems so warm and fun. Was sad they guessed her so quickly. Would've loved seeing her get more time on the show. But she got to talk a little afterward, which most of the celebrities guests don't get to do.
Hers was one of the most beautiful voices that ever sang.
What a splendid opportunity to have this gorgeous and talented personality on this show, the lovely Ms. MacDonald.
I love so much Jeanette McDonald since I was a Kid.
A true human person and the most beloved Star of cinema
Missing you so much ❤
I loved Miss MacDonald. I have all her movies . A beautiful voice unmatched. Very classy lady
Jeanette MacDonald was one in a million!
Always a relief to find Hall Block missing when I turn into these early episodes
gcjerryusc
“Robert Q Lewis: less creepy than Hal Block.” Talk about damning with faint praise!!
gcjerryusc I agree. At least RQL is not scratching his head constantly!
Exactly, I watch WML videos on a regular basis but mostly those from 1953 (Hal Block "leaving") to 1965 (Dorothy's death). I can watch the later ones but I really have a problem with the early ones because of Block, I was glad to find a 1952 episode without him!
I'm repelled by Block, but LOVE Robert Q.
Everyone says Hal Block was a sleaze yet everyone ignores it when Robert q Lewis says things like "Oh, I was hoping for a rub down" to the horse trainer. Block wasn't the only one to say things like that to female contestants.
Suzanne Zinser was beautiful. Truly breathtaking!!!
Arlene France’s voice is so charming,amusing and appealing. Revealed more so I think during this episode..
So lovely and gracious.
Suzanne Zinser (later Rosenborg) trained on the New York City circuit (Belmont, Aqueduct, Saratoga and now-defunct Jamaica). She was about 24 at the time. To give an idea of how much this show dates us, jockey Frank Amonte Sr., who's now 78 and who won a race a day shy of his 70th birthday, was a teenage apprentice and got some of his first mounts from Zinser.
Tom Barrister From the 2001 Skidmore College "Scope Magazine" -- class notes on the class of '49: www.skidmore.edu/scope/fall2001/classnotes/40s.html
"To my surprise, Suzanne Zinser Rosenborg also happened to be in town. She is still training horses, although she recently reduced her thoroughbred stable from 12 to six. Suzanne resides on a 47-acre farm in Stockton, NJ. She has five children and eight grandchildren."
I spent the first 8 years of my life in a house two blocks from the north side of Aqueduct Race Track. It was upgraded significantly during that period in anticipation of the closing of Jamaica (tp be sold off to housing developers in what became known as Rochdale Village). After the upgrade, at 5 PM when racing was at Aqueduct, it would be wall to wall cars on 108th Street waiting for the light at Liberty Avenue to turn green. That was when my brother's stickball game would have to break up and he and his friends would either sit on the stoop and talk baseball or go to someone's house and watch whatever programming was on at that time of interest (like Superman or Abbott & Costello reruns). I wasn't allowed to play in the street when we moved and I only got to play stickball a couple of times when we went back to the old neighborhood and I was now old enough. Forget dolls. I wanted to play stickball, a wonderful game. I was pretty good, too. But none of the kids played it (or wanted to) where we moved to. My brother and I would hit to each other occasionally, but it wasn't the same.
The two women panelists, especially Dorothy Kilgallen, were much better at ferreting out the guest's line than the men. Dorothy was very clever at wording her questions to get a "Yes", often resorting to double negatives or "Is it not _______?".
I love this show along with You Bet Your Life. My two favorites of them all...
Jeanette wore that dress at her Red Rocks Denver concert Summer 1952. It was bright orange.
How the phuck do you know?
@@joeambrose3260 they're a time traveler, that's how.
@@joeambrose3260 I have color photos of her on & off stage from the event.....that's how!
Loved Rose Marie and Maytime! Such a Heavenly Couple ...sad it didn't work out, but in Screen it was Highly Romantic!! Beautiful Era and Costuming by Adrian Sparkled with Brilliance!!
In my opinion, one of Jeanette MacDonald's best films was _San Francisco_ from 1936. Nelson Eddy didn't happen to be in that one. In fact, MacDonald was the only singing star in this musical picture. She played an opera singer newly arrived in San Francisco in the early 20th century, in search of a career. Her co-stars were Clark Gable and Spencer Tracy, neither of whom sang. The movie features the rousing song, "San Francisco", which was eventually adopted by the City as its official song, replacing "I Left My Heart in San Francisco". It also features pretty amazing special effects recreating the San Francisco earthquake of 1906. The film was from the same year as _Rose Marie_, which featured Nelson Eddy as a singing Mountie. They rewrote the story, changing the title role from a backwoods Canadian girl who wore buckskins to an sophisticated opera singer, just so they could cast Jeanette MacDonald in the part. _Rose Marie_ is worth watching just to experience Nelson Eddy and Jeanette MacDonald singing the duet "Indian Love Call" with the mountainous lakes and forests of Canada as a backdrop.
Jeanette Macdonald's older sister was Blossom Block, Grandmama of The Addams Family.
aka Marie Blake. and I think you mean Blossom Rock.
Didn't know that was her sister.
@@nysavvy9241 Yeah me too.
@@jvcomedy Rock is correct.
Dorothy was sphitzen when she guessed Jeanette. This is one of the best episodes.
I just love 💕 the panel
A beautiful,strong,gifted lady,love Jeannette!!!!
She was a tremendous Star !
I was born in '62, and like watching these old reruns and then looking up the guest challengers to learn about their lives and about the 50s and 60s. One thing that has surprised me is how 'frisky' Daly and the panelists all were - I had thought the 50s were a bit more staid.
Risque
Good Lord, sex, drugs, lots of homosexuality....
Witty, bold, beautiful, kind Arlene.
Jeanette MacDonald was quite something in "The Merry Widow". Supposedly, she did not get along with her co star Maurice Chevalier. But you could not tell that from the film. She is simply stunning early in the film when singing from the balcony with her hair down.
HI . Been a while since I watch What's My Line. Today I'm watching all of the episode the came on before and after the Christmas .
ADORABLE, JEANETTE MACDONALD !!!!
I think Dorothy must be going to San Francisco. Someone must have told her to be sure to wear some flowers in her hair.
Nice observation, but the Flowers-In-Your-Hair era had to wait at least another 12 years till that was happening in SF.
@@tubularap Fifteen years, to be exact, but I assumed Robert was kidding.
@@accomplice55 - I agree that in 1967 (The Summer of Love) the 'Flowers' certainly was going on. I was 14 years then, living in the Netherlands, and remember it well. It had already spread out from San Fransisco.
❤️😂
Might be more have been more of a accessory decorative item to celebrate the Christmas Season, as was originally presented on December 21 telecast 1952.
GREAT show!!!!! There's no way that Suzanne Zinser could have been (or would have been) one of the contestants if Hal Block were on the panel this week. (Which brings up a question: was this Robert Q. Lewis's first appearance as a panelist on WHAT'S MY LINE?) Nor, given Hal Block's sloppy kiss planted on Bette Davis's cheek several weeks before, do I think that the production staff would have run a similar risk in having Jeanette MacDonald as Mystery Guest if Mr. Block were on the panel, either. And Miss MacDonald (or Mrs. Raymond, if you prefer) is, indeed, still a very glamorous woman and a very gracious and charming LADY.....
And I don't think that my ears don't deceive me: Bennett Cerf seems to be battling laryngitis on this episode, too. And good for Robert Q. Lewis in figuring out Lester Reppert's "line"; that was, indeed, a "toughie." And, for the first time in a few weeks, the show is able to fit in a fourth contestant (counting the Mystery Guest as one) instead of just three.
Again, thank you very much for sharing these gems with us!!!!!!
No, Robert Q. Lewis was on the panel twice before this, 7/15/51 and 1/20/52. I don't think either show is available, though (I certainly don't have them).
I believe Hal Block could have been replaced with Francis the talking mule and it would have been far less offensive
I agree on your opinion of Block…very often he was inappropriate with the women contestants.
Cringe worthy behaviour then and now!
There were some real sopranos in the movie Jeanette,Grayson,Dunne and also Ann Blythe,Jane Powell and Julie Andrews. and the marveleus Deanna Durbin the others were on Broadway..My favourite were Jeanette,Dunne , Durbin and Dame Julie.
I am loving this show! I’ve watched it in order so far and it’s such a charming, calm escape from a chaotic modern life!
Arlene is my favourite although I like all the panel (even HB most of the time!).
The only bit I find slightly annoying as time goes by is the voice the celebrity guest has to put on. It started off funny and I realise why they have to do it, but it does start to grate after a while.
Thank you so much for uploading these, I’m really enjoying watching them.
Agreed on all points.
Jeanette certainly deserved better applause; small studio audience at time, methinks
Her movie career had fizzled out by 1952.
@@SymphonyBrahms Yes, but she had a unique status fame-wise
21:16 Love that laugh
She was one of the few Hollywood actresses who sing who was an actual soprano.....another of course was katherine grayson.
Deanna Durbin!!!
70 years later, at exactly 9:36pm, I was born in 1996.
That night Jeanette MacDonald was also on Names The Same hosted by Robert Q Lewis.
That site was where Gene Rayburn got his start in television.
These shows are just a minute before my Time but they are true classics.😂
Suzanne Zinser, WOW!
Skidmore girl, class of 49'.
I really enjoy the episodes I've seen with RQL. I am not familiar with him from anything else, but I must look into him more!
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Zachary Dunlap-Tunnage Really? Where did you hear about this? The integration was such a complete and total disaster, it's long overdue. But I shudder to think what even worse problems they'll inevitably unleash by changing anything again. Virtually every change they've made has been for the worse, with a very few exceptions, like removing the character count limit on comments, e.g. Otherwise, a total disaster!
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I hope its true. Combining them was one of the stupidest things that has ever happened in internet media.
Wow! From 24:49 onward while listening in headphones and watching the laptop screen in front of me it is like the announcers voice is coming from the screen! Crazy. It has to do with the miking position and the mic selection among other things.
As I've watched this on my lunch hour in recent months I've come to two conclusions. The show wasn't the same after Dorothy's death and Hal Block and Robert Q. Lewis were both dorks. Just my opinions of course, others may certainly disagree.
Man, that first contestant was a beauty.
Great show👏👏👏👏
Jeannette MacDonald was survived by her husband of many years, Gene Raymond. The relationship seems to have been quite unusual, if wikipedia is to be believed.
Jeanette was more like a sister to her husband because he preferred men. And she was in love and in a long relationship with Nelson Eddy. He was the true love of her life. Sad love story. They are in the middle of making a movie about Jeanette & Nelson.
"Forest Hills, Long island" is actually a neighborhood in New York City's Borough of Queens. So that answers the question from a few episodes back as to whether people from Queens ever say they're from Long Island.
Because there are umpteen places in the United States called Brooklyn, located in various states including one not far from New York City, Brooklyn, Connecticut. Since WML gets contestants from all over the U.S.A and even from foreign countries, making sure that the contestant actually means the borough of Brooklyn which is coterminous with Kings County, New York, makes good sense. Someone might possibly have turned up from Manhattan, Kansas, for that matter.
Skidmore girl, class of 49' eventually married WWII hero, Rut Rosenborg, trained horses for the rest of her life and owned houses in France and Switzerland.
The horse facility is, or was located in N.J.
@@Johnnycdrums In other words, she was a pauper.
What was the TV sow that John Daly referred to at the end that the sound man worked on? It sounded like The Web Tonight. ?
According to Wikipedia, " is an American dramatic anthology series that aired live on CBS for four seasons from July 11, 1950 to September 26, 1954."
@@jackkomisar458 Wikipedia is your friend.
John Daly was such a bright and shining star.
"She looks like she has all the equipment necessary." That sounds like something Hal Brooks would say, NOT ANOTHER FEMALE!
Krista Brewer It was indeed a surprise. Innuendo can be funny from the mouth of either gender, of course. But this one wasn't.
*Hal Block?
I am not quite sure why this was the case but according to wikipedia, Jeanette MacDonald's 1965 funeral was attended by former Presidents Truman and Eisenhower and future Presidents Nixon and Reagan.
Check that out, please Preppy ?
@@dcasper8514 this is according to wikipedia
Because she was a national treasure.
Miss Kilgallen guessed the lovely Miss MacDonald, ironically they died the same year 1965 .
You'd never know Jeanette MacDonald was 49 by looking at her here. Or that Robert Q. Lewis was only 31, she was old enough to be his mother and looks younger than he does. And wow, at times Lewis was coming on even harder than Hal Block sometimes did, I wonder if that was by design and he was intentionally using the same shtick
All men at this era were bully...Finally we are in 2024 when so many behaviour- regulation at workplace ,
put men in the PLACE.
John goofed in deciding how to respond to the question Bennett asked at 13:05. Bennett says, "This product of yours could not possibly be used as legal tender in any part of the world, could it?" The contestant answers, "yes," meaning, "yes, it could be used as legal tender." From 13:15-13:17, John briefly mulls over the question and decides that "yes" was the correct response, but he was incorrect. The correct answer would be, "No, you are wrong to think that it could not possibly be used as legal tender."
This is true but Bennett formulated the question poorly by ending it with "could it?" Better to have asked, "Would I be correct in assuming that this product is not used as legal tender in any part of the world?"
Jeanette Macdonald sounds like her sister, Blossom Rock, who played Grandmama on The Addams Family...
Hard to believe they all dead. Jannette was just 49 y old
Back when actresses had class and grace.
Need conference for this statement.😂
Something tells me that Arlene did not mind sitting next to Robert Q. Lewis in this episode. The tension was more than apparent when she had to introduce Hal Block in the earlier weeks.
The American accent was slightly different back then. The pronunciation was more precise it sounds. Even the grammar. Some call it more proper.
Robert Q. Lewis's comments to the first contestant were as crude as Hal Block.
There is a difference between witty and smarmy. Those who are not witty should not try to be witty.
Back when they all seemed to like each other.
So they could kill....
That was great when they had the fellow whom made gold bricks for the treasury (also showing the age of the show as I don't believe the treasury works with gold anymore) and the celebrities asked if it was something that a lady could wear around their necks.lol
The horse trainer was gorgeous
Robert Mott: interviews.televisionacademy.com/interviews/robert-mott
I was months old when this was aired. Great memories
2 months old
I was 7 months...
I was 10 years old. I remember watching these shows with my family.
Ladies and gentlemen, I read so many comments concerning Hal Bloch’s behavior. I agree that he didn’t project the upper middle class sophistication that was desirable to the viewing public. But I personally like him just because you can tell he came from a lower class background.
Was this Jeanette MacDonald's only appearance on WML?
Indeed, it was.
Suzanne was so elegant. She could easily be a model. Not her choice, for sure.
The first contestant was so pretty ❤
Either is it a ghost or the shadow of a boom microphone behind John when he presents the last contestant. 19:55
Johan Bengtsson Boom microphone it is! ;)
SaveThe TPC Are you sure? ;)
I ain't afraid of no ghostly boom mics.
Dorothy plays too safe by asking too many ‘yes’ answers.
regarding the question as to whether a panelist had guessed an occupation during the 'free guess' segment, Arlene once guessed that a young woman was a lifeguard and Daly said that indeed she was. Daly then said that that was the third time that happened and one of the other times was when they guessed an atomic scientist by sight. Can't imagine how they were able to do that.
I made a whole video compiling the surviving correct free guesses (several were on shows that are lost). Check it out if you're interested! ruclips.net/video/pbj0uNMfoNI/видео.html
+What's My Line? Great video! Thanks. Thanks for _all_ that you post.
Lucinda Sommer Thanks for the thanks! :) The question of whether the free guesses were ever right comes up so often in comments, it seemed like a useful video to have available to point people to!
Gravydog316 I've already pasted a link in a comment above to a video that compiles all the correct free guesses. I'm not sure what point there is to linking to a 25 minute show instead.
Jeanette is my favorite!
They finally got a goldbricker on the show...
Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Women from this time period dressed like....women!!! No having to guess if its a girl or a guy!
Right on! They wouldn’t put up with some of the non-sense we have to today.
1950s were the best for women fashion. Since than just decline thanks to women born as woman but
like to dress like a man.
Jeanette says she is chiefly a motion picture performer, but when this aired she had not been in one since a Lassie yarn three years earlier. Her heyday in musicals was long gone, and she would never film again.
She was middle aged, and her movie career was over by then.
I thought Mr. Mott was from. Mott's Applesauce at first then his line popped up, very interesting.
Just look how humble these old time stars were. Not like today, preoccupied with theirfalse grandeur. Ugly an shallow and most of all, talentless...…..
Being a great actor is not false grandeur.
mostly of all from dark side...
Funny, in announcing Dorothy, the announcer says, "Let's meet our What's My Line panel, whose lines you already know, " at which point he tells the audience what Dorothy Kilgallen's line is, as if they didn't know. The panelists do the same for the panelist to their left. If we already know their lines, why tell us what they are? That phrase "whose lines you already know" was eventually removed. Maybe Goodson figured out the script made no sense.
I think this is the earliest available episode (possibly the first episode ever) where Daly uses what will become his catch phrase, "Will you come in, mystery challenger and sign in PLEASE!" with the emphasis on PLEASE
k9feline2 Really?!! This is already my second time through watching these episodes in order, but now you've got me wanting to go back and watch all the earlier shows _again_ to confirm this (and to refresh my memory of what he used to say) -- LOL! (Incidentally, the above-referenced phrase is at about 15:44 in this video.)
I've got to admit you got my curiosity up so I spot checked episodes from 1951, 1952 and a couple earlier in 1953 and he used his familiar catch phrase in each and every episode so I suspect he's been doing this since pretty close to the start of the series so I'm not sure what brought you to this conclusion.
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It amazes me that he stuck with “Come in and sign in please” as long as he did before he figured out that “Enter and sign in please” was easier on the ear.
All the panel and John Daly were making quips about Miss Zinzer's beauty but nobody tried to kiss her, so that must be what Hal Block did to get fired. I'm puzzled as to why John Daly, who was from South Africa, reverts to an upper-class English accent when he explains a complex point. Arlene Francis does it too in other episodes when she says 'Jolly good!' It seems that an English accent was regarded at that time as something to copy or aspire to - in fact the panel members sound half-English and half-American.
John was born in South Africa only because his American parents were living there temporarily; his father was a geologist. His American "home town" was Boston; so was Arlene's. The mid-Atlantic accent you mention was then the standard of good diction and clarity, taught to actors, public speakers, broadcasters, and the like. The exaggerated upper-class English accent, on the other hand, was done as a joke, evoking comic butlers like Arthur Treacher in the movies, or characters with formal diction like Jeeves in books by P. G. Wodehouse; it was not John's native accent to "revert" to.
Sounds like everyone had a cold. Even Bennet was coughing.
Reuben Mammolian once said Jeanette MacDonald was the easiest lay in Hollywood 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Some are quick to condemn John Daly as a wolf due to conferences. Clearly you miss the joking manor with which John conveys with all guests, male and female.
RQL goes a little to far sometimes but no farther than Steve Allen and other male panelists. The one that was disgusting, crude and rude was Hal Block. I can't believe he was asked back after one appearance. Hal wasn't someone most women would find appealing, even in those days.
The TV sounds effects guy works for “The Web”?
What in the world, and who suggested..those things in Doroty's hair!
if the first contestant works for a stable ( she was salaried ) -- then she could be said to work for/on a team
The racehorse trainer looks a lot like 70s/80s soap opera actress Margo McKenna (Edge of Night). Almost a dead ringer right down to the hairstyle.
Margo Mckenna must have been really something, Suzanne Zinser was gorgeous.
You're right. Amazing resemblance.
The US Government was melting gold into bars....You could not posses gold coins for some time....I'm sure those coins would be more valuable in the original state in 2024.
Show won a lot of Awards while Hal was on. He saved the show when it was so stuffy at first. Their treatment of him was totally w/o Class.
The first guest looked the part to be a race horse trainer. She had an aura about her…
Bennett looks totally out of place sitting next to Dorothy Kilgallen. They later seated him on the far right
They had to get rid of Hal Bloch first.
What does Robert Q. Lewis add? I liked his predecessor Hal Block much more!
@gcjerryusc Why the booing and hissing? We're all entitled to our own opinions. As for me, I liked them both. :)
@gcjerryusc I have no problem with you expressing your opinion. I questioned your decision to literally "boo" and "hiss" (with all CAPS and multiple exclamation points, no less) at another commenter who expressed an opinion that was different from yours.
H'mmmm I'm back to thinking they DON'T know the answers beforehand after the wonderful 'wide of the mark' questionning this episode.