Caller is a socialist, agrees with VAUSH
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I own a horse ranch and I am very happy that Vaush provides me with a solid stream a income from his patronage.
Lefties are so dumb about Vaush. I follow pretty much all his content and the sheer amount of mischaracterization peopl give him is insane. It's always responding to a point he didn't make, being unable to respond to a point he *did* make, a poor understanding of the subject at hand...he gets a lot of undue shit. You can find the ironic misogyny untasteful, but he is inarguably advocating for leftist ideas. D Pak here is great too. The two don't totally agree on everything, but their broader work is good for society.
I don't understand how anyone can listen to Vausch. He is rather ignorant about most things, in particular about socialism.
@@MundaSquire want to back that up?
@@smelly42 my source is... I made it the fuck up!
Vaush bad. 😂
@@smelly42 Have no idea where they went or if someone is able to delete my responses to you, of which there were two, but I don't see them here now. Any idea how that happens? Is a owner of a channel able to delete comments?
"Worried about agreeing with Ian Vowsh" oh boy lmao
real
Lets socialize everything. Bring the money down to the worker. And we can thrive as a society
Disavowshed!
@ᴠᴇɴᴜs ʙʟᴏᴏᴅғʟᴏᴡ shh
Vaush along with David Pakman are my two general sources when it comes to political commentary. I strongly respect and reccomend both. They are both very intelligent and while very different in tone and delivery, are quite skilled when it comes to rhetoric.
Add in Rational National, Humanist Report, Majority Report and crew, maybe some Kyle from Secular talk and you got yourself a pretty stacked progressive lineup
@@serpico1616 If you remove Kyle from that list, I'd agree 100%.
I really liked Vaush commentary on Bike Karen. Yt women ain't shit
@@ericgeneric135 You gotta say why first ;)
I can't watch vaush. The things he says, or at least the language he uses, is something I can't get past. Maybe when he matures I can give him another try.
One thing I’ll never forget from going to a socialist conference in my teens was Tony Benn saying “socialism is a journey, not a destination”.
Uh huh. That's to distract people away from the end point of socialism. A system which the people have abandoned as soon as they've had the freedom to do so
Because you want communism, but you have to trick stupid people into thinking it's just socialism.
And the British people were smart enough to never elect Tony Benn as Prime Minister.
@@er3ichuff335
>british people
>smart
yeah nah
I'm in my late 30s... I've been here since nearly the start of YT. I like Vaush, he has some good points but he's also kinda of a pick.
@ᴠᴇɴᴜs ʙʟᴏᴏᴅғʟᴏᴡ
"Another's vanity offends us because it offends our own vanity."
@Marc RYour opening sentence is the single most uninsightful I've read in quite some time.
Fancy bourgeois book larnin' can have all sorts of magical benefits, like teaching you how to competently construct a modus tollens.
Yeah so that Vaush guy is just some champagne communist who dwells in his parents Beverly Hills mansion's basement. He doesn't actually say anything of real value nor does he have any deep understanding of the real world. He's good for big words and stuff but yeah, he's not good for much else.
And if "but he's mean!" Turns you away from agreeing with someone who is otherwise correct, you should probably just stop having conversations about heavier topics than whatever worker drone shit you typically waste time with. Not you specifically. Just in general, grow a sack.
I think he does get frustrated with fellow leftists for good reasons.
People need stop using the term “socialism” until they can define it.
By bringing up Vowsh, David has singlehandedly ensured that this DSA chapter disintegrates
@ᴠᴇɴᴜs ʙʟᴏᴏᴅғʟᴏᴡ Nothing wrong with a double dip if the sauce is good enough. 😉
We should DEFINITELY be socializing the economy, no doubt about it.
Not all of it but a lot of it
Because socialism has worked out so well in the past. What could go wrong?
@@matthewbatson5017 Where shouldn't there be workplace democracy?
@@markzuckergecko621 Sounds like you need to do a lot more research on the global history of workplace cooperatives. I think you're referring to authoritarian communism, where workers have zero decisions. That's also referred to as state capitalism.
@@sullen2420 sounds like you have a head full of propaganda.
I don't think Vaush's problem is his policy. I think it's his drama
I agree with a lot of his politics, and I enjoy watching his debates, he’s very intelligent but he can be a bit overconfident at times, for instance the “bike Karen” situation, he took down his first video on it
@@Hello_182 Vaush isn't smart. He reads Wikipedia. He talks like he knows what he's saying though. People who actually understand things know he has no idea what he's saying.
@@Hello_182 no intelligent person believed the initial narrative about a small woman trying to rob 5 men.
I like watching Vaush but he can be a real dick sometimes
TOILETS!
David, Vaush, Sam, & Beau. Those are my team picks. Kyle as backup.
@@A_R_B_G Where my unstable girlies at?!!!
Oh my god. That combo would be too powerful. Love them all. I very rarely see anyone name drop Beau. Probably because he stays the furtherest away from drama a human can.
Ew.
What about IRI?
Kyle is better than whole list and you got him as a backup smh
Lol
'nothing can happen in the world unless the US instigates it'
The egocentrism of Americans never ceases to amaze 😂
You don’t remember when America both started and finished every world war? Good times /s
@@PyckledNyk started? Wtf are you on about?
Ww1 started because of the assassination of Franz Ferdinand which America was not responsible for
And Ww2 started because the Nazis began invading Europe. America was absent throughout 90% of that choosing to let fascism spread and only got involved when they were attacked
@@djohnson6585 He was being sarcastic, hence the /s at the end of his comment.
@@hectorhall82 no he wasn't. He was genuinely asking David's opinion as to whether he thought CIA was involved
@@hectorhall82 oh you mean the commenter here I thought you meant the caller in the video.
/s indicates sarcasm?! How lazy
Now we need a David and Vaush crossover.
He already had Vaush on, but maybe we need another cross over.
Oh for sure we sòooooo need that. 🎉 omg those two..together. two totally not two-faced socialist on a stream 🔥.
Vaush Is BASED And W
mmm, adult baby.
@@MarcillaSmith that’s on RUclips!
@@MarcillaSmith Vaush may not be your cuppa tea, but name-calling?
@@Anansi1701 lol, shes quoting RM Brown soundboard drops
@@thepolarphantasm2319 I don't follow RM Brown so I don't get the ref. Could you kindly link the context? Thank for at least giving me an explainer and safe travels! :)
The American equipment was captured by Russia in and around Bhakmut and was being stored in that area, the Ukrainians managed to recapture the stored equipment and vehicles and the Russian freedom fighters are using them.
D-Pax and Vowsh would make a hell of a team 👍
Vowsh rad
Our special operators are unlikely to be crossing into Russia in combat operations. The operators we do have there are tasked with protecting our diplomatic staff. If we want our troops in combat, they can just have an American unit “leave” our military and join the UA foreign legion. Then everything is above board and we can’t be blamed for escalating anything. The troops training the UA are in Poland and other countries where they don’t have to worry about getting bombed. The vehicles allegedly used were humvees, which are commercially available but probably provided by the UA to the group that crossed the border.
This is the correct answer. You don't need elite special forces for a jab like that.
The point was to signal that Ukraine is willing to equip Russians that are not technically UA army and allow them to engage in cross-border attacks. It's to force Russia to reposition defensively along the border and not just drop a few conscripts at checkpoints.
True. Though there are some trained Americans who have volunteered and are fighting there. That may have confused some people.
@@Nerd_Detective I think since special operators get so much press and fanfare it causes people underestimate how deadly the well trained regular army is.
There was an assassination attempt against Donald Trump, Someone sent him a bucket of KFC chicken and glued on the lid. How was that an assassination attempt? Trump almost died, trying to eat through the side of the bucket.
Assignation?
@@Stonecoldfrank thank you
@@lawrencepentler9566 no problem
Vaush is the best, I love that guy!!
Hey New England. Did you get my message about righteous news sources. I love clarity. I trust you. Good luck today. - 👑🦋
Whatever the Bolivia thing was, a Bolivian friend was very pissed off at David and with many reasons.
I have no recollection what the reasons were because, to be frank, I probably wasn't paying much attention at the time. But there definitely were reasons!
Maybe you can explain this to me. I live in Amarillo Texas. Yet, the Hispanic community loves Trump. WTF?
Vaush mentioned 🎉🎉🎉🎉
cant make accusations of grifting without some examples or evidence.
The goal is always socialism, but for now absolutely start with key things that should be decommodified like housing, and healthcare. Can’t rip this off like a bandaid baby steps are key
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@@benjaminotto5711 My portfolio is very much diversified so it's not like i have a particular fund i invest in, plus i dont do that by myself. i follow the trades of Mrs Karen Gaye Gray.
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Lol @ The dude bro armchair Navy SEAL calling in with his completely self-concocted analysis about NATO trained paramilitary troops because he saw a picture of some guys with some gear.
David consistently gets wrong that 1/2 of a mixed economy is Socialism. You don't have to literally be Karl Marx to be a socialist. The elements of the democratic-socialist countries that we like are the socialist elements. It's not pure capitalism.
You even to think these terms have precise and "official" definitions. That's not the case.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 “You even to think these terms”
😂
Pakman said "Christina" at the end. Who is this Christina? I did not hear him saying a last name.
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner
@@tarantinoish Ah, thank you.
Vaush is my favorite leftist.
you are insane
Vaush isn't a leftist.
Vaush bad
Pretty much everyone on the left agrees Vaush is not, nor does Vaush refer to himself as, a leftist
Are we not leftists? Last time I checked social democracy was a center-left ideology
🎉 Voosh 🎉
Feel like David and Vaush are the most similar ideologically in left wing spaces..is vaush more of that “edgy/cringe” humor guy that’s like the typical Xbox gamer chat? 100%. I prefer the “boring” style the DP has tbh… comes off as more mature and aspirational for me
I like them both but I can see where you're coming from. Idk I tend to think vaush attracts more younger viewers while pakman appeals more to gen x or late millennials but I could be wrong
The difference between David and Vaush is that Vaush acts like an ape towards people he doesn't agree with. He'll start screaming and call you all sorts of names. With David he'll debate you on the facts and tries to present an argument. Vaush uses dirty debate tactics and ad hominems to appeal to his 13 year old audience and cover up what he doesn't know (because he only reads Wikipedia). I respect David even though I completely disagree with him on a lot of things. I have ZERO respect for Vaush even though I agree with him on some stuff.
Not really. Vaush is more involved with political theory and socialist rhetoric. Pakman mostly covers realpolitik with the occasional engagement in social/political science. Not to mention Pakman is considerably more ‘centrist’ than Vaush.
@@David-bh1rn Vaush and Pakman both remind me of guys I went to college with ... a rather long time ago. I think Pakman tries to look more presentable so I like him more. (I'm 41)
@@nickkemp4979 that's because he is an ape. Socialists are missing the majority of their brain. It's super scientific stuff.
Honestly, the idea of Sean King being some kind of leftist grifter is laughable! He's been vouched for by Bernie Sanders and Ilhan Omar! Every time people accuse him of being a grifter, he shows his receipts online in full and explains them. I've seen him do this at least two times since I've been following him!
I love this show but, David when was the last time you did any significant research on the guy???
Vaush automaticly draws attention.
Socialists are anti-Vaush in regard to Ukraine invasion. He is anti Russia and would consider them to be tankies
They’d be in agreement on most other issues
As an actual Socialist, I disagree. Socialism is about diminishing hierarchal systems of control, you can’t be pro-Russia - and certainly can’t be pro Russian Imperialism - and then call yourself a Socialist.
Tankies support State Capitalist regimes, not Socialist modes of production.
@@keyow2 fair enough, but it seems self labeled Socialists may differ on the subject
The , for example, holds that the USA and its military alliance, NATO, are the primary culprits. This position leads it in practice to back Russia, even though it claims to criticize Putin’s invasion. In doing so, PSL is violating a basic principle of international working-class solidarity: defense of a country and its people under imperialist attack.
PSL presents Russia as the victim, stating “We reserve our strongest condemnation for the U.S. government.” Tellingly, the group does not support Ukraine’s unqualified right to self-defense, notably their right to obtain weapons from wherever they can. In this case, that means the U.S. and NATO countries, Russia’s imperialist opponents.
I'm in favor of socializing essential goods while having "luxury" goods being private to an extent.
Who decides what’s essential andand what’s luxury?
@Jimi the Schmuck we can start with the basics like education, housing, health and possibly transportation first. Also having a mix of a standard and luxury is possible, for example like having a standard car or having a luxury car.
@@nelsonrivera5287 She asked who decides. Not what goods YOU think should be nationalized.
@@Stonecoldfrank Well, the people should decide by majority vote on what good. But first, we do need to change essentially the whole government to be more fair to the people.
Also, this is a youtube comment, I'm just an average person who is bad at articulating my words at times, not a politician who is writing laws.
If you like my statement, then utilize it while doing activist work. if not, if not ,it's just a random youtube comment.
Luxury goods will only be in short supply bc what makes a luxury good available requires people to exist in poor conditions.
I've always wondered how we could balance people having what they need to survive and be well while providing an incentive for people to make luxury goods.
Vooooosh
Vowsh
*Ian Vowsh "the streamer"*
I do like watching Vaush, but I don’t like the drama he gets into, and I think he’s a bit too egotistical (but what politcal commentator isn’t?)
isn't his egotistical-ness a bit?
@@mogo-wc7xw maybe? If it is, it certainly isn’t forced lol
@@CaffeineAndMylanta it's over the top and ridiculous, and some people find that funny
I see all the American malcontents got together to celebrate Memorial Day
Kamala thinks Memorial Day is just a long weekend!
vowsh 😮
Voosh! 😬
Why call in somewhere when you're completely unprepared? She didn't even have anything in mind. What is with that?
Not a fan of Vaush. He really goes into crazy town on some issues.
I aggree with vaush on some things, but not everything by a longshot.
Vaush is a king.
I complain about Packman 😌😏👀👀👀but I'm still here 👏and I agree with a bunch of what he says too.... I just wish he was a lil more punchy.... But even then Packman WILL give U some SALTY retorts here and there.... Which good politics SHOULD be, fodder for the masses like curse them out Packman were okay with that 😌😈
LETS GO SALT LAKE UTAH 🫡
I don't know how David Sir does it. He kept a straight face, not a single tear in his eye, as a caller explained how the war in Ukraine is the fault of U.S. and NATO. How do we know this to be true, you might ask? Because the caller saw an online picture of a humvee. You just can't debate that kind of solid evidence.
Vovsh is CIA, I'm CIA. I like Vovsh.
Essential services, like electricity generation, police, healthcare & education should always be run by govt, private business can run the rest.
Why shouldn't we be encouraging the growth of a cooperative business economy?
@@sullen2420 more so, yes. Worker cooperatives, employee owned businesses, family owned businesses, self employment and partnerships. Plus trade and user cooperatives should be a significant part of our future economy. But the crush of corporate plutocrat capitalists will fight it tooth and nail, even if it were all in free markets and free trade.
as long as _privately_ owned businesses exist, the owners will tend towards doing whatever they can to maximise profits, even to the detriment of the population, including:
- lobbying for lower taxes for themselves and reducing the available funds for public services
- reducing wages (relative to inflation) for the population which reduces available taxes coming from _them_
- lobbying for policies to sabotage public services to make them seem less viable compared to private ones
- propagandising and lobbying for privatisation of said public services
_democratically_ owned businesses on the other hand...
@@sullen2420 What is your definition of a "cooperative business economy"?
@@TasTheWatcher I'll argue that publically traded companies are just as bad. They seek to do nothing more than make money for shareholders, and the CEO and board of directors (who earn money from share values), and will do this by crushing labor, and ripping off customers. Then sell their stock before the company tanks.
Would not a worker cooperative be the same as a "privately owned" company? Or do you mean one where the owner is the CEO, and that's that, the reason why the business exists to make them money. If so, I completely agree there.
Brett, I live in Chicago and agree with your thoughts!
Vaush is a creature of Seattle; he avoids sunlight at all costs and is a coffee addict. It is hard to feel well-disposed to him, I find, even if I like most of his ideas.
Vaush isn't from Seattle, he moved there recently. Pretty sure he's from Beverly Hills. I only know that from watching his channel for years. I imagine he fits in with the political climate of Seattle pretty well though.
He's both overweight and frail at the same time, I don't understand what that even means, and I don't like it.
@@markzuckergecko621 he's really not that overweight. Most Americans are a little overweight so it's an odd attack.
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Im a soshalist.
Vowsh mention ‼️‼️
I love Vaush and David
Vaush rad ... DSA bad
Vowsh Rad
Vawsh bad ..lol
Vaush the trans guy?
BASEDO
Socialism for the people,not corporations, is the next phase in our society,like it or not.
There’s literally no evidence that shows that. Centrally planned economies have never worked. The only way I could ever see one actually working as if it was run by artificial Superintelligence.
Vote Communism/socialism to save democracy!!!
Biden, Harris forever!
@Drug Money Facism forever= vote for dictators Trump & DeSantis in 2024.
@@drugmoney4996 lmao. These people are so bat shit insane, they probably don't even see the contradiction with what you just said in jest.
@@drugmoney4996 lol this dude has a rough next generation ahead of them, we probably wont see the right take power again for decades
Sad to hear your opinion about Shaun King. He's not a grifter, and he does a lot for the Black community. This grifter rhetoric is really harmful, so please present your evidence or stop the narrative. Thank you.
I was looking for this comment, seems like he should provide some evidence before parroting right wing talking points lol
Vaush gets too sensationalist with his comments. Straight up calls nurses "female cops" just cause a Karen happened to be a nurse.
He retracted. But, yeah, sometimes goes too far with his edginess. I''ll take it, because everything else Vaush is so based.
Vaush rad
Vaush rad!
Living in a country (Denmark) with government owned public transport, I can tell you that we are moving away from this form as it is simply just as bad or even worse than privatized public transport. The lack of competition and the incompetence from the government is just breathtaking - in a bad way. The past 30 years has been nothing but insanely stupid and illogical decision that a company that needs to stay in business would never make as the market would just not use their product.
It does NOT work as well as the socialist make it sounds like.
Neither does private work as well as you claim. The UK rail service is ATROCIOUS. Far worse than France or Germany where it is publicly owned
I think the problem is more about democratic vs autocratic organisation, than government or business
If workers who can see the problems and solutions at the ground level had more say, they could take more direct and immediate action to improve the system instead of waiting for policies to slowly filter through and be bastardised by an incompetent bureaucracy, being bombarded by politicking and lobbying, or waiting for the business owners to believe a fix will be profitable
@@TasTheWatcher together with the importance placed on the service
David, sir, i am a progressive POC of color, and i can't stand Vaush!!!
Person of Color of color?
@@MegaToonzNetworkrip in peace
L take
@@janefkrbtt I gotta run by the ATM machine.
Explain
Its cringe to hear this "Vaush" guy talk about economics. I can tell he is not well read on the history of economic thought.
Anyone that champions Vaush certainly doesn’t understand economics
Vaush is actually a pretty smart guy, he just knows his audience is stupid. And he's also good at sounding intelligent without actually saying anything intelligent. I hate him with a burning passion, I think Vaush is one of the most dangerous political figures on the internet, because of where his ideology leads to and how many angry idiots listen to him. But I'll give credit where it's due, he's skilled at his little niche that he's going for.
@@pathologicaldoubt this
Vaush bad
🤣
LOL: Packrat talking about grifting. A grifter like Packrat certainly should know a fellow member of the flock when he sees one.
Do you want to try posting again after the fentanyl wears off?
Explain how he is a grifter, or are you just talking out of your rear?
You sure were quick to rush over here and watch someone you clearly don't like, why?
@@michaelb823It’s called hate watching
@@michaelb823 it’s weird behavior. I don’t watch right wing shows and go to their comment sections. It seems like a waste of time
Vaush makes a career of being wrong. Some of his views are really really gross. I definitely enjoyed the vanguard guys wiping the floor with him in a debate
What views of his are gross? What has he been wrong about?
@@danbridges4755Everything but his best was his debate with a fellow socialist on why progressives should arm themselves for a civil war with Conservatives
@@danbridges4755 basically encourages his minions to lie about what their true goals and beliefs are, make it sound more palatable to normies so you can pull them to the far left without them noticing.
@@danbridges4755 I don’t want to misquote but the debate between him and the vanguard guys, but he did really defend the wars in the Middle East pretty vehemently. Not to mention some of his views on the LGBTQIA+ community were a bit controversial.
@@danbridges4755 NATO being "based". Saying that he would have invaded Iraq. His takes on Ukraine where he refuses to acknowledge the US contribution for the reasons for the war.
I wish David would do a "look-a-like"" day of Jesus Christ. Maybe you could get a wig and some make-up, some first century garb and do one show dressed like that. My sense is that you would make a very strong and handsome looking Jesus. I love your show, and I think you are cool.
What is a democratic socialist? Is this sort of like a conservative nazi ?
Lol no... Originally socialists believed in a democratically run economy, then the Bolsheviks came around and advocated for a vanguard party and ultimately the government taking over the economy. If you read early socialists/Marxists the majority of them were vehemently opposed to Bolshevik ideology, like Rosa Luxemburg for example. However this interpretation of socialism has been completely whitewashed from history by all the major propaganda machines of the 20th century: USSR, China, and the US.
It means you get to vote for your socialist dictator. Once.
@Warren Englehart what if the people don't want all those policies though? How would it be "democratic" to carry through with socialized programs the public doesn't want?
@@markzuckergecko621 There are plenty of policies I don't personally agree with that have been democratically voted on. That's democracy. The democratic part means it's decided by the people, the socialism part means we're collectively running certain sectors, in this case through democratic action. This guy was saying we run the things we absolutely need and stop when it becomes unwieldy. I think that's reasonable. We already do this, democratic socialism just pushes for more of it. Personally I'd prefer true democracy and more socialism over the profit-driven oligarchy calling itself democracy that we currently have here in the US.
@@annprice266 Vote Blue, vote for Communism/socialism.
Abolish the second, only let the government have guns!!
Shred the constitution, vote socialist, communist to save the empire!!!!
I Love Vaush! The most based Leftist online, a true independent thinker.