Great video. Late 40's AM here from SoCal, grew up in America. Having watched ~10-15 videos about the WMAF vs AMWF disparity, I noticed that nobody really comments on the following issue: While I agree that everyone should be able to date whomever they want, the issue I have is that most AF don't really understand the effect that media has had in altering their perception of the attractiveness of AM. That alteration in how attractive AF find AM has made many of them cast aside AM as potential dates/mates. Yes, there is an average height disparity in comparing WM vs AM, and that could have somewhat of an effect in AF finding taller WM more attractive than shorter AM. But I believe that if you are a AF having grown up in America your entire life, everything you have been exposed to in media and what you have found attractive has shaped your mental programming of who you want to date. There is also the issue of trying to become Americanized and a great way to do that would be to date someone who is white, IMO. I have to say that I can't be judgy against AF who want to distance themselves from their Asian identity... since I did the same growing up. I actively refused to speak Japanese at home because I wanted to become Americanized. So I totally understand how AF would want to become Americanized as well. I think both AF and AM who grew up in the US have been programmed to find WM and WF more attractive... but AF have far more success than AM do because of dating app disparities and all the negative stereotypes of AM and positive stereotypes of AF. My caucasian fiancee (early 30s) and I have several AF friends who all stated straight up "I don't date AM". While I don't think it is my place to say that they should date AM, I think they have excluded a large swathe of the population that could have been great partners for them. One is in her mid 40s, divorced from her WM partner with kids, another is late 30s with perpetually unsuccessful relationships. As for when we go out, we certainly get alot of stares from people and it used to bother me, but I realize that half of them are probably people that are curious how we met rather than being judgy, as AMWF couples are so rare. In summary I will say it is fine for people to date whomever they want, but I think it is surprising that people would be unable to see where that racial dating preference originates from... and for AF to say "Why can't we date who we want, without being judged" or "You can't control who I want to date"... without understanding that this racial dating preference comes from everything they have been exposed to (media for example) is what is somewhat annoying.
I am a middle eastern man. And I never really thought of dating dynamics between people of different cultures and why they dated. But I have an Asian friend who is half white and half Asian and he never dates both two races and he doesn't really associate himself with both sides. He recently opened up to me and told me about how both his parents had fetishs twords each other's race and his father was also a racist. He was raised as identying himself as white and grew up in a white area. He always struggled with his identity as he precived himself as white and others identified him as Asian. As he has strong Asian features like most mixed kids do. Now as an adult he struggles with self identity and he hates not only his parents but both side of his ethnicity because of it. I felt so sad for him, and how much he still struggles with his self identity to the point he avoids both sides of his race. As a result I do think there is a major downside to fetishising because you objectively see the race you are attractived to as more superior and can have Major impact on the childrens' identity and belonging. That said I know that not all interracial relationships are not based on fetishisation and I know a lot of amazing people who are very proud and closely associate themselves with both cultures.
Great podcast! 26 year old Asian male from Seattle chiming in. From the guy’s side, pretty much every friend and every guy I’ve talked to (of every ethnic background) the general consensus is that Asian girls are the most beautiful and thus the most desired. This may be viewed as “racist” but this is just most guys’ genuine preference. Also from my anecdotal experience it’s quite looked down upon for Asians (women and men but mostly woman because they are more valuable especially during this age range). I think since Asian Woman are the most desired from all races you will certainly see more male whites with female Asians instead of visa versa just because they are more valuable in the sexual market place from a general consensus. I personally think people should just do whatever they want and if you have real genuine friends they will be supportive as long as you are happy and growing, though your Asian parents may not approve. Growing up with Asian parents I feel like they have such a big hold on our adult psyche from all the verbal abuse that we subconsciously listen to them even if we don’t agree from a logical standpoint. Also, a high value Asian-American man do not think White woman are “unattainable”. Quite the opposite actually haha. With dating an Asian girl with some (not all) there is a quite literal perquisite in which you already need to be finished with school and have a good 6 figure job or else you will not even be considered as a partner. White girls generally are more open to dating guys who are of different socioeconomic classes just because of the difference of values in which Asians and Whites were raised with. You might even need to be a doctor or engineer specifically just to shoot your shot with an Asian girl. The classism is very real and in some Asian races more than others (Koreans *cough cough*). That was quite the generalization there but it certainly depends on each individual guy. Anyway great podcast!! Enjoyed the listen. A friendly suggestion, you guys could talk about the pressure from Asian parents to succeed academically and how it effects us as adults and how it compares to American culture and the pros and cons of it and how it effects how Asians date. Thanks for the content!
What planet do you live on where this is true? 😂 Even the Asian fetish is not entirely about looks, it's about the submissive perception of Asians. Maybe this is true in your anime club. 😂
@@sergeayissi939Yes, AND BLACK, as well, as I obviously am. And actually was wondering why so many people kept putting so much emphasis on whites / Asians more than any other race and Asians. I mean we're here too. And personally speaking, right or wrong, I love my sweet Asian sisters (and their entire culture) for Life! 🙂❤️🙂❤️🙂❤️
@@rickeyboyer7188 this is your personal preference! It does not represent the majority of Black men who mostly date white, jewish, Latin and Arab women when they date outside their race! Asian women don't prefer black men, and black men don't prefer Asian women too! They both choose white.
asain women are the not most preferred women across all groups? what a silly leap. how do substantiate such a claim? when statistically most men want their own women.
Love the courage to come on and talk about this topic!! I know this is a talk show and all but for me I would feel more connected if the camera was not as zoomed in, body language maybe? Just subbed
Great perspective here y'all. I don't see anything wrong with an Asian dating a white person at all. It comes down to preferences. From an Asian guy's perspective I feel like it comes from a point where we see it too often and it's a call for Asian women to not forget about the Asian men out there too. Keep doing what y'all do, sorry about the trolls out there ravaging the comment section
White guys generally have a head start in dating. It is what it is. This has to do with the effects of colonialism and racism and glorifying Caucasian features. The stats are indisputable and Emily went over some of these numbers. No offense but Janice seems somewhat clueless.
1(2) [filter reasons] Native Swedish guy here. So, colonel realism and trace schism? Anecdotally from my living in China and dating Chinese and Japanese - I picked up a stereotypical fondness for Norwegian men especially, among Asian women I met. And between Norway on the one hand, and Japan and China on the other - where would you say we find the most prevalent swells of historical imperial schism? The Norwegians must have done some badass oppression someplace that I didn't fully notice. Maybe they burned a Sapmi village 1000 years ago, in a way that gives Japanese women the butterflies today. Conversely, did the Nanjing women get turned on by those uninvited Japanese guests back when? Are Uighur women turned on by Chinese men today, for the PRC putting its manly foot down in East Turkestan? Women as a rule do respond with voluntary mating desire in response to cultural subjugation, correct? Not just when it's expedient to pretend they do?
2(2) In Sweden, the best thing to be as a young man looking to play the entire field, is black or ME. Swedish men are largely relegated to a fair share of the smaller Asian minority sure - including overseas marriage - plus what's left of the women of our own tribe after the inclusivity brigade has had their pick. And that pick, FTR, nearly only goes in one direction. Which is how I know that men from cultures who successfully compete for native women here are, let's see... benefiting from the "effects of colonialism and trace schism", and that their Somalian, Afghan and Kurdish features are "glorified", if not by me personally than at least by all the Swedish girls who date these men. Which doesn't sound too good, from my own POV. Almost like you'd like to resist the whole thing a little. But as you allude to, what other reason could there possibly be, when you see a cohort of women broadly select in a certain direction that their male counterparts know better than trying in reverse? Colonel ionization is here. Time to fight the foreign supremacy, so that my proud people can soon breathe free once again. How am I doing on the structural analysis?
Late 20s Asian Male here. I was definitely a late bloomer, as many Asian guys are and just my experience with Asian women honestly prior in my teens and early twenties really drove me to my positive views of white women. With my experiences I see Asian women as good for hooking up with and White Women being the best partners. We talk about Asian solidarity, but no Asian woman ever saw me as anything in college, compared to white women. Personally, I don’t really care when I see Asian women assaulted or whatever on the news because they never would have cared for me. So this whole white male Asian female dynamic bothers me very little in all honesty. Every step of the way in my social and physical growth of adulthood white women whether romantically or platonically have just treated me more as a human than Asian women have.
Complete opposite for me. i find white women to be more physically attractive, but personality wise, Asians are better. So short term -White, long term-Asian.
@@jaydunna2645 haha I guess we have something we can agree on about white women. Idk even personality wise I really think white women are a more genuine people then the materialistic shallow Asian women. I’ll say I grew up on the southeast coast from Alabama/Georgia. So I’ll admit my view can be somewhat skewed, but my unique life experiences nobody, but Asian women has truly seen me as a lesser person. If there was ever any person being disrespectful it was the Asian women in college, but the white women and Latinas were cool and genuine. I’m 29 now and I definitely bloomed late, but happy with the awesome tall southern blonde woman from Georgia (to be clear) I’m with. I’ll paint with a broad brush as Korean American guy, I really don’t care for Asian women and don’t care what happens to them.
Racist trolls making hateful comments like that do a great showing how sad and pathetic their lives are. The internet really has emboldened lots of weak, close-minded individuals who wouldn’t nearly be as outspoken in-person as they are behind the keyboard. There’s no seats at the table for those lames. I do commend y’all for putting yourselves out there for your voices to be heard and just want to tell you both to keep your heads up and keep doing your thing. You’re always gonna have the haters on one side (comes with the territory) but just know the love and support from the other side far outweighs. (AM here) I want to thank you both for opening up this discussion. There were some really good points touched on (especially the wanting to assimilate aspect) in this episode that could definitely be expanded on more. Definitely some unanswered questions posed by some of the points made. There’s more that plays into the topic of Yellow Fever and the subtopics that branches out from it. Other driving forces do feed into this that don’t get highlighted enough like “White Fever”/the feshization of white people amongst Asian people, the historical feshization of Asian women in media (plays a big role) and as a result of times mentioned like WWII and the Vietnam War, the historical marginalization (Expatriation Act) and emasculation of Asian men, etc. I kind of feel like a lot of the problems stemming from Asian Fever gets brushed under the rug when applying a “who cares?” type of mindset to this (also a bit tone-deaf) when in reality, it’s definitely too deep and complicated of a topic for us in the Asian community to not look further into. I 1000% agree with your sentiments about how other peoples dating habits shouldn’t be having any effects on our individual lives and vice-versa, because at the end of the day, like is like / love is love. We most definitely should NOT be looking at race as a dating criteria (but that’s not to dismiss the certain instances where it does happen to be the case). As you both touched on, it’s important to not make assumptions about others and it’s important to not generalize either. People can and should be able to be with whoever they want to be with, free of judgment. This topic is a helluva complicated one to approach in our community but I appreciate you both starting the dialogue. Sorry for the essay and thanks so much if you read this all LOL
Thank you so much for not only listening, but providing such thoughtful/ insightful feedback. We realize we might have only scratched the surface on this topic and wanted to leave the episode open for productive discussion with our listeners! It was definitely a difficult topic to navigate at times and you bring up really interesting points around exploring the history behind “yellow fever.” We’re so happy most of what we said resonated and we always are coming from a place of loving others based on character! We love reading your thoughts - please keep sending them over!
I found your podcast through clips in IG. (Which the algorithm pushes food, martial arts, memes, or asian models/fitness models) I come from a mixed race household. Mom is Filipina and Dad is Italian/Swedish. To most of my friends I look white. I was curious about your opinion about "Yellow Fever" I've gone back and forth about being ashamed of it or indifferent "Yeah I like asian girls, so what?" In my upbringing and in school in California bay area, my school was very diverse. However, I think my high school crush was a white girl while lots of asian girls at my school were attractive. Someone whom I know grew up in a mostly white school, as an asian dude, now has white girl fever.
I'm Spanish, so I don't know if according to Americans I'm white or Hispanic, but anyway, I'll give my perspective. In the end, that kind of stereotypes when it comes to a white man dating Asian women are related to some coming from a colonial past (in fact, Spain colonized Philippines and also Taiwan during a brief period), but I would like to also make everyone consider that we live currently in a highly superficial society where the image sometimes is more important than content. So, I think the key to date someone whatever ethnicity he/she is, is to overcome this superficiality by knowing better each other. That way, appearance progressively losts its importance in favor of personal value.
To be brutally honest, it’s very hard for Asian women to totally understand the situation as the Asian women as Asian women are beneficiary of these racial preferences while Asian men on the other hand are the ones facing discrimination from other races and Asian by themselves. I think a lot of Asian men feel disenfranchised by racism from both other races and within their own race and want to voice their anger. And as a result blame Asian women for this. Though a lot of the negative comments are unwarranted but inner racism does exist and arguably more than other races. I don’t think a lot of Asian women quite understand what it feels like to experience this type of racism and to grow up wanting to be white.
A white woman did actually accuse me of "yellow fever" to my face, because of my beautiful Asian wife. I looked at her tattooed obesity and replied "Hell yeah" , laughed and walked off.
This is a very complicated topic, that honestly deserves much more than a 30 minute conversation. Would be cool if you revisited this topic and brought on Asian/White men, and maybe even White women to have an actual conversation, hearing all perspectives. And talk about all moving parts, as most of these types of discussions usually end in a lot of tip toeing, and political correctness. Goes much deeper than its just preference, or people liking who they like. Talk about things like the heavy mate guarding/emasculation agenda put on Asian men, which goes hand in hand with Asian men feeling some sort of way. The centuries of colonization mindset, within Asian people. The prevalent self hating and internalized racism that is huge in the Asian community. Fetishization of Asian women. Hollywood portrayals of Asians, from the Sessue Hayakawa, Anna May Wong era and how it starkly differs from today. Talk about the White mans perspective, having to navigate through all this. If you're gonna talk about it, really talk about it.
Hi Justin! Thank you so much for watching. We're glad our conversation is sparking dialogue on this topic, as that was exactly what we had hoped to see with this episode. Keep an eye on our channel, as we're hoping to release a part 2 of this episode and go into more of the topics you and others have brought up in response to our discussion.
@@fouryearslaterpod This whole situation is by design. Used to be the total opposite. Most common interracial pairing used to be AMWF. White men back then didn’t like it, got jealous and pushed to change it. Hence the heavy mate guarding agenda against Asian men, even still today. Good source to cite would be things like The Page Act of 1875. Which prevented the entry of Asian (mainly Chinese) women into the country. This in turn forced the Chinese immigrants at the time to look to other communities to find wives, white women being top of that list it seems. Pair that with the already heavy anti-asian sentiment back then, many white men at the time didn’t take too kindly to this. They’re stealing all the jobs, AND the women type of thinking. Which then prompted the many Miscegenation laws to get passed and preventing such interracial marriages. Disobeying these laws would result in fines, jail time and in some extreme cases loss of citizenship. The sentiment doesn't get more clear than actual laws getting passed. Sessue Hayakawa (Japanese-American) is credited as being one of, if not the first Hollywood sex symbol. His roles in early Hollywood movies made him the heartthrob of many American (white) women in his prime. Very stark contrast to Hollywood, and just western media in general of today, where they won’t put an Asian man in front of a camera unless it fits with their agenda of emasculation/stereotypes. In an attempt to change this, Hollywood went on to only typecast him to certain roles as the rapey, evil, villain, so much that his native Japan didn’t endorse him as they felt he was a bad representation for them. There has not been another Sessue since and this again is by design, due to gatekeeping.
This doesn't seem that complex of an issue. Rightfully, women in the western world get to choose who they date. Asian women get to to choose who they date. They overwhelmingly choose White men when they date interracially . More and more women are using dating apps. Non-White men are assessed by their corresponding racial stereotype and considered a threat by women prior to getting to know them. Thus less men of colour will be in interracial relationships compared to White men. You can notice this, by observing who women feel comfortable to talk to first in a group of diverse people. Or even observe who women will sit next to in a subway train. This is not just an Asian woman thing. Most women of colour in an interracial relationship is with a white man. Some coloured boys get bitter because they work twice as hard in life and feel let down.
Coming from South East Asia, sometimes I don't understand something like "Yellow Fever", I met some people who have racial preferences, and some RUclips also discussed about it. There are some white people who prefer African-American, prefer Latinos, and so on... but there are no "ill terms for them like "Yellow Fever", why only Asian? Sometimes some people prefer racial because of their cultures, not only genetics. Sometime they just feel more comfortable around them, so why only for Asian there is a term like a "Yellow Fever"?
Lots of good questions being asked especially by Emily. Don’t feel like any real answers were given tho. Might help to have a more diverse panel help answer. Not hating, think you’re both cool. Keep it up
Hi Gen! We really appreciate this feedback. In putting out this episode, our thought was that even though we don’t have all the answers yet, we hoped we could spark some discussion with you all and find more clarity there. We’re also planning a part 2 to this topic! Would love to hear more of your thoughts and ideas too!
Alo alo! Im from south america where there is not Asians, or at least not in my area, when i move to LA and had the opportunity to date a asian girl for me was the most exotic beauty and had the chance to learn about her culture and everything, i don’t think there is fetish is more like a preference and the more that i learn the more i prefer asian girls…. All love and good job!!!
Any guy who really cares about who or what race a girl is dating wants to get with that girl, period. What happened to the train of thought at 26:03? Seems like it got cut off. As for Asian women being the most desired race (according to OKCupid), it is mainly pushed up because of Asian mens strong preference for Asian women and there was a small but not insignificant higher rating from white men for Asian women than even white women. On the flip side, Asian men did not receive good ratings from other races but Asian women did have a higher rating for Asian men than white men. My guess though would be that if you were to look at the ratings from local areas with more Asian representation, Asian mens ratings would improve a lot.
You touched on this a little at the end, but I think it is worth exploring if the dating preferences of white women ( shaped by an American media that is particularly racists against Asian men ) are a bigger factor in the huge discrepancy between WMAF and AMWF couples that than the attitudes of Asian women and white men. Statically, Asian American women marry Asian men the majority of the time ( and I would guess dating stats are somewhat similar ) despite the fact that the vast majority of single men available for an Asian women to date are non-Asian. It's possible that there is nothing statistically extraordinary that a large percentage ( though still a minority ) of Asian women wind up dating/marrying when men, when the majority of single men are white men. What I find more interesting is that so few Asian men date/marry white women, when majority of single women in the population are white women, and Asian women ( who the vast majority of Asian men marry/date ) make a up a rather small percentage of the total population of single women. This discrepancy could be be because Asian men find while women far less attractive that Asian women, but as you said on your podcast, at least anecdotally, lots of Asian men are attracted to white women. So, if the preferences of Asian men are not the reason for the dearth of AMWF couples, that leaves us with the dating preferences of white women, whose preferences have been shaped for more than a century by a culture and a media who tell them that Asian men are not desirable. For Charlie Chan in yellow face, to Mickey Rooney in yellow face in Breakfast at Tiffany's, to Long Duk Dong in Sixteen Candles, to that character on Two Broke Girls ( who seemed like such a gross racial stereotype in the shows promos, that I never bother to watch the show ), Asian men have almost never been shown as objects of desire in the media. If the American entertainment industry would give more roles to guys like John Cho, Steven Yeun, Simu Liu, and Manny Jacinto, maybe those attitudes would change, but those dating app statistics you cited in the podcast tell us we have a very long way to go. I'd like to close by pointing out that I'm not trying to say the sexualization/objectification of Asian women and the remnants of colonial attitudes are not a factor here, and there certainly plenty of WMAF female couple who are dating for the wrong reason, and sometimes toxic reasons. I'm just saying that the WMAF/AMWF white female contrast would not be anywhere near as stark if not for how America society has desexualized Asian men.
Half of all Asian-American women end up in relationships with white men. That’s the current statistic. The first question might be, why not? Why in the world are you expected to date within your race? Isn’t that racist? The main reason men go for Asian women is because a lot of them are frickin beautiful. Unconscious neotony may also have a role. The girl on the left here has a very neotonous face. I find her face quite fascinating. Asian women might go for white guys because they are perhaps more cherished by white guys than Asian guys. A different race is a novelty. Novelty makes life more interesting. Biologically, gene pool mixing in general makes the species “stronger” in many ways, so that may be another driving force.
And while I was brought up on a diet of 70s & 80s Media telling me that Asian women are more obedient / submissive, i can tell you from personal experience that is all False Advertising. 😞
so interesting ideas on this subject, i would suggest by and large women are hypergamous ie they marry up.. the immigrant experience in most western countries is similar in that the move is for economic reasons. So exogamy is a direct outcome of this and so no surprise that asian women will choose non-asian men as there are just more of them in the new culture. It does make me sad that no matter where you go in the world, the person marrying out is always judged whether its the yellow fever man or the white loving asian... it makes my wife cry at times how mean some people can be. BTW my wife has been eating sandwiches for breakfast all her life and it is one of the most common breakfasts in my asian country!
That’s the crazy thing tho. Asian men 3 percent of the population and White men are 30%, yet at least when it comes marriage Asian women still marry around 60 - 70% in their own race. And what’s crazy is that that trend has actually increased since the 2000’s. Asian men who get upset about AFWM couples, although I understand why they might feel this way, they are angry over essentially nothing.
As a white guy with an Asian GF I don’t understand why people always perceive that to be Asian fever? Can’t people just date who they want and are attracted to?
Few reasons. 1: A lot (not the majority ofc) but a lot of white men have a fetish for Asian women due to seeing them as submissive 2: A lot of Asian women perpetuate certain stereotypes that negatively impact Asian men. Such as them having smaller Pepe’s, Asian men being nerds, Asian men not being athletic or working out. Essentially stereotypes that make Asian men seem less manly than White men. 3: Some Asian women marry into white families due to the perceived social status that being in the west family has in the west. 4: Women in general prefer to date taller men, and on average white men are taller 5: A lot of Asian women seem to have higher standards for dating Asian men then white men. For a lack of better terms, a Asian women would only date a Asian who is ripped, in perfect shape, tall, and fits a certain narrative, while it seems they have way lower standards to date white guys With this a lot of people, especially Asian men often has resentment or hatred towards WMAF couples. Now personally I don’t care about this topic at first. I’m a black man, and most sexual and dating stereotypes don’t negatively effect me. But I looked into this because I kinda felt bad for Asian men. Personally growing up, I wasn’t the most attractive guy and struggled to talk to have girlfriends, black, white,etc. Apart of me was jealous of this, and I felt less like a man when I would see black women dating white guys and I had struggled to date them. Eventually I started working out and improved myself, and realized largely that I was just not the best version of myself, and I had nothing to die with race. But with this experience I sympathized with Asian dudes. I mean, imagine seeing on social media, Asian women only dating white guys, on dating apps Asian women only looking for white guys, and Asian women pushing stereotypes to make you seem less superior. But the more research I did, the more I realized it really isn’t that deep. A: Asian men make up 3% of the US population while white men make up 30%. So it makes sense why one of the smallest groups of women tend to marry white men more often. B: Asian women are still very much marry Asian men in the majority. I believe like 60 - 70 percent of Asian women end up marrying a Asian man, and that number has actually been increasing since the 2010’s C: A lot of Asian Men who shame and claim self hatred of “white or yelllow fever” themselves are bad from being rejected by Asian women. But at the same time, alot of these Asian men also had this sense that Asian women belonged to Asian men, and weren’t upset about the negative stereotypes. D: Asian men who take care of themselves, work out, and are nice guys often have no trouble finding date. Despite it being a Asian girl or whoever. E: We are also forgetting the most important factor. Most people do not date due to race. Personally, I like girls who are muscular and race doesn’t matter. Are their some people who put race into their dating negatively? Yes but this is a small number. Most Asian girls just date white guys because those are the guys they are exposed to, and they’re attracted to them. Point is although yes, there is a lot of toxicity with Asian men being demonized, Asian women furthering this and only dating white guys, it’s such a small number that it’s not something to be bad about. Sorry if this was alot, I just had a lot of thoughts about this topic.
Holy smokes bro, I think people are looking too far into things. It just irritates me when people say “Asian fever” what about “white fever” or “brown fever” it just sounds dumb. We all can do better than this.
I think with all that your saying all you have to say is you can like whoever you want because you weren’t saying much but what people are saying Asian women like white men
Idk I like some common Asian features like dark hair and smooth skin. I am definitely not thinking some weird dark thoughts about “submissiveness”.. I feel like 80% of WMs in WMAF are probably thinking the same. Wishing the best for your pod guys! Interesting to hear your perspective
Ya'll should get black women in the panel to talk about this topic. In the African American community it's the same but reversed where black men date out due to negative stereotypes of black women and black women are seen as "less desirable"
Speaking from the older perspective. and 29 years into a marriage to an Asian woman. Back in the 90s a White man in tech tended to only work with and meet Asian woman with the occasional Eastern European sprinkled into the local pool. So there tended to be many White Man / Asian Woman pairings. These days things are way more open, geographic limitations no longer exist, and i am happy to be way too old to have to deal with that.. ;-)
Ya mon, I’m a black man. I think white guys get with Asian girls not so often for an appreciation of the culture or w.e but because they think Asian girls want them and that I’ll be an easy dating experience
Ahh internet haters lol what a sad lonely bunch. My experience, haters lack confidence, knowledge, self esteem, self control Most of the above, ALL OF THE ABOVE. But tend to be full of jealousy, envy, and especially fear Guarantee none of them will get on camera and do what you guys are doing. Putting yourselves out there completely Keep it up! FOR REAL. Focus on the positives. There are tons of people out here who relate. DONT FOGET Haters will watch you closer then anyone......but they will watch.
Halfway through this and got a headache already, just more girl word salad. Just pointing out different anecdotal situations that happen in life or something theyve read, talking in circles not fully coming to a conclusion on any ideas. Just jumping quickly from point to point. Just talking from "my point of view" or "i dont do that" not viewing the scenario from the people most hurt but yellow fever the asian man. Not much gained from listening. Also yea those racist comments are out of pocket but you already know the internet is the real world opinions so your stepping outside the safe asian american bubbles norcal so cal etc
Really love the deeper thought and perspective that you provided @Emily
Keep doing what you are doing. I think us as Asians need more representation that we aren’t just the book smart stereotype. I’m rooting for you guys.
Great video. Late 40's AM here from SoCal, grew up in America. Having watched ~10-15 videos about the WMAF vs AMWF disparity, I noticed that nobody really comments on the following issue: While I agree that everyone should be able to date whomever they want, the issue I have is that most AF don't really understand the effect that media has had in altering their perception of the attractiveness of AM. That alteration in how attractive AF find AM has made many of them cast aside AM as potential dates/mates. Yes, there is an average height disparity in comparing WM vs AM, and that could have somewhat of an effect in AF finding taller WM more attractive than shorter AM. But I believe that if you are a AF having grown up in America your entire life, everything you have been exposed to in media and what you have found attractive has shaped your mental programming of who you want to date. There is also the issue of trying to become Americanized and a great way to do that would be to date someone who is white, IMO. I have to say that I can't be judgy against AF who want to distance themselves from their Asian identity... since I did the same growing up. I actively refused to speak Japanese at home because I wanted to become Americanized. So I totally understand how AF would want to become Americanized as well. I think both AF and AM who grew up in the US have been programmed to find WM and WF more attractive... but AF have far more success than AM do because of dating app disparities and all the negative stereotypes of AM and positive stereotypes of AF. My caucasian fiancee (early 30s) and I have several AF friends who all stated straight up "I don't date AM". While I don't think it is my place to say that they should date AM, I think they have excluded a large swathe of the population that could have been great partners for them. One is in her mid 40s, divorced from her WM partner with kids, another is late 30s with perpetually unsuccessful relationships. As for when we go out, we certainly get alot of stares from people and it used to bother me, but I realize that half of them are probably people that are curious how we met rather than being judgy, as AMWF couples are so rare. In summary I will say it is fine for people to date whomever they want, but I think it is surprising that people would be unable to see where that racial dating preference originates from... and for AF to say "Why can't we date who we want, without being judged" or "You can't control who I want to date"... without understanding that this racial dating preference comes from everything they have been exposed to (media for example) is what is somewhat annoying.
I am a middle eastern man. And I never really thought of dating dynamics between people of different cultures and why they dated. But I have an Asian friend who is half white and half Asian and he never dates both two races and he doesn't really associate himself with both sides. He recently opened up to me and told me about how both his parents had fetishs twords each other's race and his father was also a racist. He was raised as identying himself as white and grew up in a white area. He always struggled with his identity as he precived himself as white and others identified him as Asian. As he has strong Asian features like most mixed kids do. Now as an adult he struggles with self identity and he hates not only his parents but both side of his ethnicity because of it.
I felt so sad for him, and how much he still struggles with his self identity to the point he avoids both sides of his race.
As a result I do think there is a major downside to fetishising because you objectively see the race you are attractived to as more superior and can have Major impact on the childrens' identity and belonging. That said I know that not all interracial relationships are not based on fetishisation and I know a lot of amazing people who are very proud and closely associate themselves with both cultures.
Great podcast! 26 year old Asian male from Seattle chiming in. From the guy’s side, pretty much every friend and every guy I’ve talked to (of every ethnic background) the general consensus is that Asian girls are the most beautiful and thus the most desired. This may be viewed as “racist” but this is just most guys’ genuine preference. Also from my anecdotal experience it’s quite looked down upon for Asians (women and men but mostly woman because they are more valuable especially during this age range). I think since Asian Woman are the most desired from all races you will certainly see more male whites with female Asians instead of visa versa just because they are more valuable in the sexual market place from a general consensus. I personally think people should just do whatever they want and if you have real genuine friends they will be supportive as long as you are happy and growing, though your Asian parents may not approve. Growing up with Asian parents I feel like they have such a big hold on our adult psyche from all the verbal abuse that we subconsciously listen to them even if we don’t agree from a logical standpoint.
Also, a high value Asian-American man do not think White woman are “unattainable”. Quite the opposite actually haha. With dating an Asian girl with some (not all) there is a quite literal perquisite in which you already need to be finished with school and have a good 6 figure job or else you will not even be considered as a partner. White girls generally are more open to dating guys who are of different socioeconomic classes just because of the difference of values in which Asians and Whites were raised with. You might even need to be a doctor or engineer specifically just to shoot your shot with an Asian girl. The classism is very real and in some Asian races more than others (Koreans *cough cough*). That was quite the generalization there but it certainly depends on each individual guy. Anyway great podcast!! Enjoyed the listen. A friendly suggestion, you guys could talk about the pressure from Asian parents to succeed academically and how it effects us as adults and how it compares to American culture and the pros and cons of it and how it effects how Asians date. Thanks for the content!
Asian women most desired by men from all races!? You obviously forgot to ask Black men who show a strong preference for white and Latin women!
What planet do you live on where this is true? 😂 Even the Asian fetish is not entirely about looks, it's about the submissive perception of Asians.
Maybe this is true in your anime club. 😂
@@sergeayissi939Yes, AND BLACK, as well, as I obviously am. And actually was wondering why so many people kept putting so much emphasis on whites / Asians more than any other race and Asians. I mean we're here too. And personally speaking, right or wrong, I love my sweet Asian sisters (and their entire culture) for Life! 🙂❤️🙂❤️🙂❤️
@@rickeyboyer7188 this is your personal preference! It does not represent the majority of Black men who mostly date white, jewish, Latin and Arab women when they date outside their race! Asian women don't prefer black men, and black men don't prefer Asian women too! They both choose white.
asain women are the not most preferred women across all groups? what a silly leap. how do substantiate such a claim? when statistically most men want their own women.
Love the courage to come on and talk about this topic!! I know this is a talk show and all but for me I would feel more connected if the camera was not as zoomed in, body language maybe? Just subbed
Great perspective here y'all. I don't see anything wrong with an Asian dating a white person at all. It comes down to preferences. From an Asian guy's perspective I feel like it comes from a point where we see it too often and it's a call for Asian women to not forget about the Asian men out there too. Keep doing what y'all do, sorry about the trolls out there ravaging the comment section
White guys generally have a head start in dating. It is what it is. This has to do with the effects of colonialism and racism and glorifying Caucasian features. The stats are indisputable and Emily went over some of these numbers. No offense but Janice seems somewhat clueless.
1(2) [filter reasons] Native Swedish guy here. So, colonel realism and trace schism?
Anecdotally from my living in China and dating Chinese and Japanese - I picked up a stereotypical fondness for Norwegian men especially, among Asian women I met. And between Norway on the one hand, and Japan and China on the other - where would you say we find the most prevalent swells of historical imperial schism? The Norwegians must have done some badass oppression someplace that I didn't fully notice. Maybe they burned a Sapmi village 1000 years ago, in a way that gives Japanese women the butterflies today.
Conversely, did the Nanjing women get turned on by those uninvited Japanese guests back when? Are Uighur women turned on by Chinese men today, for the PRC putting its manly foot down in East Turkestan? Women as a rule do respond with voluntary mating desire in response to cultural subjugation, correct? Not just when it's expedient to pretend they do?
2(2) In Sweden, the best thing to be as a young man looking to play the entire field, is black or ME. Swedish men are largely relegated to a fair share of the smaller Asian minority sure - including overseas marriage - plus what's left of the women of our own tribe after the inclusivity brigade has had their pick. And that pick, FTR, nearly only goes in one direction.
Which is how I know that men from cultures who successfully compete for native women here are, let's see... benefiting from the "effects of colonialism and trace schism", and that their Somalian, Afghan and Kurdish features are "glorified", if not by me personally than at least by all the Swedish girls who date these men.
Which doesn't sound too good, from my own POV. Almost like you'd like to resist the whole thing a little. But as you allude to, what other reason could there possibly be, when you see a cohort of women broadly select in a certain direction that their male counterparts know better than trying in reverse? Colonel ionization is here. Time to fight the foreign supremacy, so that my proud people can soon breathe free once again.
How am I doing on the structural analysis?
Late 20s Asian Male here. I was definitely a late bloomer, as many Asian guys are and just my experience with Asian women honestly prior in my teens and early twenties really drove me to my positive views of white women. With my experiences I see Asian women as good for hooking up with and White Women being the best partners. We talk about Asian solidarity, but no Asian woman ever saw me as anything in college, compared to white women. Personally, I don’t really care when I see Asian women assaulted or whatever on the news because they never would have cared for me. So this whole white male Asian female dynamic bothers me very little in all honesty.
Every step of the way in my social and physical growth of adulthood white women whether romantically or platonically have just treated me more as a human than Asian women have.
Complete opposite for me. i find white women to be more physically attractive, but personality wise, Asians are better. So short term -White, long term-Asian.
@@jaydunna2645 haha I guess we have something we can agree on about white women. Idk even personality wise I really think white women are a more genuine people then the materialistic shallow Asian women. I’ll say I grew up on the southeast coast from Alabama/Georgia. So I’ll admit my view can be somewhat skewed, but my unique life experiences nobody, but Asian women has truly seen me as a lesser person. If there was ever any person being disrespectful it was the Asian women in college, but the white women and Latinas were cool and genuine. I’m 29 now and I definitely bloomed late, but happy with the awesome tall southern blonde woman from Georgia (to be clear) I’m with. I’ll paint with a broad brush as Korean American guy, I really don’t care for Asian women and don’t care what happens to them.
Racist trolls making hateful comments like that do a great showing how sad and pathetic their lives are. The internet really has emboldened lots of weak, close-minded individuals who wouldn’t nearly be as outspoken in-person as they are behind the keyboard. There’s no seats at the table for those lames. I do commend y’all for putting yourselves out there for your voices to be heard and just want to tell you both to keep your heads up and keep doing your thing. You’re always gonna have the haters on one side (comes with the territory) but just know the love and support from the other side far outweighs.
(AM here) I want to thank you both for opening up this discussion. There were some really good points touched on (especially the wanting to assimilate aspect) in this episode that could definitely be expanded on more. Definitely some unanswered questions posed by some of the points made. There’s more that plays into the topic of Yellow Fever and the subtopics that branches out from it. Other driving forces do feed into this that don’t get highlighted enough like “White Fever”/the feshization of white people amongst Asian people, the historical feshization of Asian women in media (plays a big role) and as a result of times mentioned like WWII and the Vietnam War, the historical marginalization (Expatriation Act) and emasculation of Asian men, etc. I kind of feel like a lot of the problems stemming from Asian Fever gets brushed under the rug when applying a “who cares?” type of mindset to this (also a bit tone-deaf) when in reality, it’s definitely too deep and complicated of a topic for us in the Asian community to not look further into.
I 1000% agree with your sentiments about how other peoples dating habits shouldn’t be having any effects on our individual lives and vice-versa, because at the end of the day, like is like / love is love. We most definitely should NOT be looking at race as a dating criteria (but that’s not to dismiss the certain instances where it does happen to be the case). As you both touched on, it’s important to not make assumptions about others and it’s important to not generalize either. People can and should be able to be with whoever they want to be with, free of judgment. This topic is a helluva complicated one to approach in our community but I appreciate you both starting the dialogue. Sorry for the essay and thanks so much if you read this all LOL
Thank you so much for not only listening, but providing such thoughtful/ insightful feedback. We realize we might have only scratched the surface on this topic and wanted to leave the episode open for productive discussion with our listeners! It was definitely a difficult topic to navigate at times and you bring up really interesting points around exploring the history behind “yellow fever.”
We’re so happy most of what we said resonated and we always are coming from a place of loving others based on character! We love reading your thoughts - please keep sending them over!
I found your podcast through clips in IG. (Which the algorithm pushes food, martial arts, memes, or asian models/fitness models) I come from a mixed race household. Mom is Filipina and Dad is Italian/Swedish. To most of my friends I look white. I was curious about your opinion about "Yellow Fever" I've gone back and forth about being ashamed of it or indifferent "Yeah I like asian girls, so what?" In my upbringing and in school in California bay area, my school was very diverse. However, I think my high school crush was a white girl while lots of asian girls at my school were attractive. Someone whom I know grew up in a mostly white school, as an asian dude, now has white girl fever.
I'm Spanish, so I don't know if according to Americans I'm white or Hispanic, but anyway, I'll give my perspective. In the end, that kind of stereotypes when it comes to a white man dating Asian women are related to some coming from a colonial past (in fact, Spain colonized Philippines and also Taiwan during a brief period), but I would like to also make everyone consider that we live currently in a highly superficial society where the image sometimes is more important than content. So, I think the key to date someone whatever ethnicity he/she is, is to overcome this superficiality by knowing better each other. That way, appearance progressively losts its importance in favor of personal value.
To be brutally honest, it’s very hard for Asian women to totally understand the situation as the Asian women as Asian women are beneficiary of these racial preferences while Asian men on the other hand are the ones facing discrimination from other races and Asian by themselves. I think a lot of Asian men feel disenfranchised by racism from both other races and within their own race and want to voice their anger. And as a result blame Asian women for this. Though a lot of the negative comments are unwarranted but inner racism does exist and arguably more than other races. I don’t think a lot of Asian women quite understand what it feels like to experience this type of racism and to grow up wanting to be white.
When your own race doesn’t want you 😭
A white woman did actually accuse me of "yellow fever" to my face, because of my beautiful Asian wife. I looked at her tattooed obesity and replied "Hell yeah" , laughed and walked off.
whens season 4?
This is a very complicated topic, that honestly deserves much more than a 30 minute conversation. Would be cool if you revisited this topic and brought on Asian/White men, and maybe even White women to have an actual conversation, hearing all perspectives. And talk about all moving parts, as most of these types of discussions usually end in a lot of tip toeing, and political correctness. Goes much deeper than its just preference, or people liking who they like.
Talk about things like the heavy mate guarding/emasculation agenda put on Asian men, which goes hand in hand with Asian men feeling some sort of way. The centuries of colonization mindset, within Asian people. The prevalent self hating and internalized racism that is huge in the Asian community. Fetishization of Asian women. Hollywood portrayals of Asians, from the Sessue Hayakawa, Anna May Wong era and how it starkly differs from today. Talk about the White mans perspective, having to navigate through all this. If you're gonna talk about it, really talk about it.
Hi Justin! Thank you so much for watching. We're glad our conversation is sparking dialogue on this topic, as that was exactly what we had hoped to see with this episode. Keep an eye on our channel, as we're hoping to release a part 2 of this episode and go into more of the topics you and others have brought up in response to our discussion.
@@fouryearslaterpod This whole situation is by design. Used to be the total opposite. Most common interracial pairing used to be AMWF. White men back then didn’t like it, got jealous and pushed to change it. Hence the heavy mate guarding agenda against Asian men, even still today.
Good source to cite would be things like The Page Act of 1875. Which prevented the entry of Asian (mainly Chinese) women into the country. This in turn forced the Chinese immigrants at the time to look to other communities to find wives, white women being top of that list it seems. Pair that with the already heavy anti-asian sentiment back then, many white men at the time didn’t take too kindly to this. They’re stealing all the jobs, AND the women type of thinking. Which then prompted the many Miscegenation laws to get passed and preventing such interracial marriages. Disobeying these laws would result in fines, jail time and in some extreme cases loss of citizenship. The sentiment doesn't get more clear than actual laws getting passed.
Sessue Hayakawa (Japanese-American) is credited as being one of, if not the first Hollywood sex symbol. His roles in early Hollywood movies made him the heartthrob of many American (white) women in his prime. Very stark contrast to Hollywood, and just western media in general of today, where they won’t put an Asian man in front of a camera unless it fits with their agenda of emasculation/stereotypes. In an attempt to change this, Hollywood went on to only typecast him to certain roles as the rapey, evil, villain, so much that his native Japan didn’t endorse him as they felt he was a bad representation for them. There has not been another Sessue since and this again is by design, due to gatekeeping.
You are not defeated; you guys are braver than those insecure racists
Who cares what these haters say. love what you do and keep killing it people are rude and never have goals
This doesn't seem that complex of an issue. Rightfully, women in the western world get to choose who they date. Asian women get to to choose who they date. They overwhelmingly choose White men when they date interracially . More and more women are using dating apps. Non-White men are assessed by their corresponding racial stereotype and considered a threat by women prior to getting to know them. Thus less men of colour will be in interracial relationships compared to White men. You can notice this, by observing who women feel comfortable to talk to first in a group of diverse people. Or even observe who women will sit next to in a subway train. This is not just an Asian woman thing. Most women of colour in an interracial relationship is with a white man. Some coloured boys get bitter because they work twice as hard in life and feel let down.
Coming from South East Asia, sometimes I don't understand something like "Yellow Fever", I met some people who have racial preferences, and some RUclips also discussed about it. There are some white people who prefer African-American, prefer Latinos, and so on... but there are no "ill terms for them like "Yellow Fever", why only Asian?
Sometimes some people prefer racial because of their cultures, not only genetics. Sometime they just feel more comfortable around them, so why only for Asian there is a term like a "Yellow Fever"?
Jungle fever is the black version salsa fever for hispanics
@@Zubilir this is the first time I've heard that, are there a lot of complaints compare to Yellow Fever?
@@Alinis91 I don't think there are as many complaints just letting know they exist there also a lot more derogatory then yellow
Let the people be happy, This is more important ❤❤❤
Trolls and haters project onto others their own internal problems. Never live your life according to the judgement of others. Love the podcast!
Thank you Joshua! 🤍
Lots of good questions being asked especially by Emily. Don’t feel like any real answers were given tho. Might help to have a more diverse panel help answer. Not hating, think you’re both cool. Keep it up
Hi Gen! We really appreciate this feedback. In putting out this episode, our thought was that even though we don’t have all the answers yet, we hoped we could spark some discussion with you all and find more clarity there. We’re also planning a part 2 to this topic! Would love to hear more of your thoughts and ideas too!
@@fouryearslaterpod by the way, I also love sandwiches 😂
Alo alo! Im from south america where there is not Asians, or at least not in my area, when i move to LA and had the opportunity to date a asian girl for me was the most exotic beauty and had the chance to learn about her culture and everything, i don’t think there is fetish is more like a preference and the more that i learn the more i prefer asian girls…. All love and good job!!!
Any guy who really cares about who or what race a girl is dating wants to get with that girl, period. What happened to the train of thought at 26:03? Seems like it got cut off.
As for Asian women being the most desired race (according to OKCupid), it is mainly pushed up because of Asian mens strong preference for Asian women and there was a small but not insignificant higher rating from white men for Asian women than even white women. On the flip side, Asian men did not receive good ratings from other races but Asian women did have a higher rating for Asian men than white men. My guess though would be that if you were to look at the ratings from local areas with more Asian representation, Asian mens ratings would improve a lot.
You touched on this a little at the end, but I think it is worth exploring if the dating preferences of white women ( shaped by an American media that is particularly racists against Asian men ) are a bigger factor in the huge discrepancy between WMAF and AMWF couples that than the attitudes of Asian women and white men.
Statically, Asian American women marry Asian men the majority of the time ( and I would guess dating stats are somewhat similar ) despite the fact that the vast majority of single men available for an Asian women to date are non-Asian. It's possible that there is nothing statistically extraordinary that a large percentage ( though still a minority ) of Asian women wind up dating/marrying when men, when the majority of single men are white men.
What I find more interesting is that so few Asian men date/marry white women, when majority of single women in the population are white women, and Asian women ( who the vast majority of Asian men marry/date ) make a up a rather small percentage of the total population of single women.
This discrepancy could be be because Asian men find while women far less attractive that Asian women, but as you said on your podcast, at least anecdotally, lots of Asian men are attracted to white women.
So, if the preferences of Asian men are not the reason for the dearth of AMWF couples, that leaves us with the dating preferences of white women, whose preferences have been shaped for more than a century by a culture and a media who tell them that Asian men are not desirable. For Charlie Chan in yellow face, to Mickey Rooney in yellow face in Breakfast at Tiffany's, to Long Duk Dong in Sixteen Candles, to that character on Two Broke Girls ( who seemed like such a gross racial stereotype in the shows promos, that I never bother to watch the show ), Asian men have almost never been shown as objects of desire in the media. If the American entertainment industry would give more roles to guys like John Cho, Steven Yeun, Simu Liu, and Manny Jacinto, maybe those attitudes would change, but those dating app statistics you cited in the podcast tell us we have a very long way to go.
I'd like to close by pointing out that I'm not trying to say the sexualization/objectification of Asian women and the remnants of colonial attitudes are not a factor here, and there certainly plenty of WMAF female couple who are dating for the wrong reason, and sometimes toxic reasons. I'm just saying that the WMAF/AMWF white female contrast would not be anywhere near as stark if not for how America society has desexualized Asian men.
It’s not just in America it’s also in Europe like literally everywhere even in Asia even gay Asian men most likely date white men
I don’t know about the nod lmao😂
Half of all Asian-American women end up in relationships with white men. That’s the current statistic. The first question might be, why not? Why in the world are you expected to date within your race? Isn’t that racist? The main reason men go for Asian women is because a lot of them are frickin beautiful. Unconscious neotony may also have a role. The girl on the left here has a very neotonous face. I find her face quite fascinating. Asian women might go for white guys because they are perhaps more cherished by white guys than Asian guys. A different race is a novelty. Novelty makes life more interesting. Biologically, gene pool mixing in general makes the species “stronger” in many ways, so that may be another driving force.
And while I was brought up on a diet of 70s & 80s Media telling me that Asian women are more obedient / submissive, i can tell you from personal experience that is all False Advertising. 😞
HI IM NEW IN THIS CHANNEL
From my experience with me and my best friend/girlfriend who is Vietnamese it was never about race on our ends we just clicked and here we are
so interesting ideas on this subject, i would suggest by and large women are hypergamous ie they marry up.. the immigrant experience in most western countries is similar in that the move is for economic reasons. So exogamy is a direct outcome of this and so no surprise that asian women will choose non-asian men as there are just more of them in the new culture. It does make me sad that no matter where you go in the world, the person marrying out is always judged whether its the yellow fever man or the white loving asian... it makes my wife cry at times how mean some people can be. BTW my wife has been eating sandwiches
for breakfast all her life and it is one of the most common breakfasts in my asian country!
I just think it’s weird that you would never even consider another race. It’s either Asian or white and that’s where you loose me.
The fried rice comment in the beginning made me laugh 😂, I grew up in asian household in the south, you’ll get used to it. Stay strong ladies!
America is very diverse, but there is still majority white people, so statistically speaking it's more likely to happen.
That’s the crazy thing tho. Asian men 3 percent of the population and White men are 30%, yet at least when it comes marriage Asian women still marry around 60 - 70% in their own race. And what’s crazy is that that trend has actually increased since the 2000’s. Asian men who get upset about AFWM couples, although I understand why they might feel this way, they are angry over essentially nothing.
As a white guy with an Asian GF I don’t understand why people always perceive that to be Asian fever? Can’t people just date who they want and are attracted to?
Few reasons.
1: A lot (not the majority ofc) but a lot of white men have a fetish for Asian women due to seeing them as submissive
2: A lot of Asian women perpetuate certain stereotypes that negatively impact Asian men. Such as them having smaller Pepe’s, Asian men being nerds, Asian men not being athletic or working out. Essentially stereotypes that make Asian men seem less manly than White men.
3: Some Asian women marry into white families due to the perceived social status that being in the west family has in the west.
4: Women in general prefer to date taller men, and on average white men are taller
5: A lot of Asian women seem to have higher standards for dating Asian men then white men. For a lack of better terms, a Asian women would only date a Asian who is ripped, in perfect shape, tall, and fits a certain narrative, while it seems they have way lower standards to date white guys
With this a lot of people, especially Asian men often has resentment or hatred towards WMAF couples.
Now personally I don’t care about this topic at first. I’m a black man, and most sexual and dating stereotypes don’t negatively effect me. But I looked into this because I kinda felt bad for Asian men. Personally growing up, I wasn’t the most attractive guy and struggled to talk to have girlfriends, black, white,etc. Apart of me was jealous of this, and I felt less like a man when I would see black women dating white guys and I had struggled to date them. Eventually I started working out and improved myself, and realized largely that I was just not the best version of myself, and I had nothing to die with race. But with this experience I sympathized with Asian dudes. I mean, imagine seeing on social media, Asian women only dating white guys, on dating apps Asian women only looking for white guys, and Asian women pushing stereotypes to make you seem less superior. But the more research I did, the more I realized it really isn’t that deep.
A: Asian men make up 3% of the US population while white men make up 30%. So it makes sense why one of the smallest groups of women tend to marry white men more often.
B: Asian women are still very much marry Asian men in the majority. I believe like 60 - 70 percent of Asian women end up marrying a Asian man, and that number has actually been increasing since the 2010’s
C: A lot of Asian Men who shame and claim self hatred of “white or yelllow fever” themselves are bad from being rejected by Asian women. But at the same time, alot of these Asian men also had this sense that Asian women belonged to Asian men, and weren’t upset about the negative stereotypes.
D: Asian men who take care of themselves, work out, and are nice guys often have no trouble finding date. Despite it being a Asian girl or whoever.
E: We are also forgetting the most important factor. Most people do not date due to race. Personally, I like girls who are muscular and race doesn’t matter. Are their some people who put race into their dating negatively? Yes but this is a small number. Most Asian girls just date white guys because those are the guys they are exposed to, and they’re attracted to them.
Point is although yes, there is a lot of toxicity with Asian men being demonized, Asian women furthering this and only dating white guys, it’s such a small number that it’s not something to be bad about. Sorry if this was alot, I just had a lot of thoughts about this topic.
Holy smokes bro, I think people are looking too far into things. It just irritates me when people say “Asian fever” what about “white fever” or “brown fever” it just sounds dumb. We all can do better than this.
@@charlesh4995Wait, what’s brown fever? Having a huge liking to Indian desi people?
I love Asian woman and married one 30 years ago. Best thing I ever did.
lmao.
Because it's true.
Tiktok brought me here
Lol i never understood the hate. Even though i believe it’s true majority asian women date white men, i’ve never struggled getting with asian women
I think with all that your saying all you have to say is you can like whoever you want because you weren’t saying much but what people are saying Asian women like white men
Idk I like some common Asian features like dark hair and smooth skin. I am definitely not thinking some weird dark thoughts about “submissiveness”.. I feel like 80% of WMs in WMAF are probably thinking the same.
Wishing the best for your pod guys! Interesting to hear your perspective
Ya'll should get black women in the panel to talk about this topic. In the African American community it's the same but reversed where black men date out due to negative stereotypes of black women and black women are seen as "less desirable"
Speaking from the older perspective. and 29 years into a marriage to an Asian woman. Back in the 90s a White man in tech tended to only work with and meet Asian woman with the occasional Eastern European sprinkled into the local pool. So there tended to be many White Man / Asian Woman pairings. These days things are way more open, geographic limitations no longer exist, and i am happy to be way too old to have to deal with that.. ;-)
Ya mon, I’m a black man. I think white guys get with Asian girls not so often for an appreciation of the culture or w.e but because they think Asian girls want them and that I’ll be an easy dating experience
Oh Jeez!
You think white men have trouble getting laid? They get the most swipes on dating apps.
First let’s go
Thanks for listening, Blake!!
@@fouryearslaterpod of course of course
Ahh internet haters lol what a sad lonely bunch. My experience, haters lack confidence, knowledge, self esteem, self control
Most of the above, ALL OF THE ABOVE.
But tend to be full of jealousy, envy, and especially fear
Guarantee none of them will get on camera and do what you guys are doing. Putting yourselves out there completely
Keep it up! FOR REAL. Focus on the positives. There are tons of people out here who relate.
DONT FOGET Haters will watch you closer then anyone......but they will watch.
Thank you Mike 🤍
Ok this is going to be hilarious and full of delusion please prove us wrong, will be back after watching
Halfway through this and got a headache already, just more girl word salad. Just pointing out different anecdotal situations that happen in life or something theyve read, talking in circles not fully coming to a conclusion on any ideas. Just jumping quickly from point to point. Just talking from "my point of view" or "i dont do that" not viewing the scenario from the people most hurt but yellow fever the asian man. Not much gained from listening.
Also yea those racist comments are out of pocket but you already know the internet is the real world opinions so your stepping outside the safe asian american bubbles norcal so cal etc