Thank you so much for this one. As an ESTJ, it is so hard to find content about this type that is thoughtful and that isn't based on too-simple dichotomies or stereotypes. Everything you said resonated very deeply and was exceptionally validating, especially considering I know my cognition works as ESTJ and yet almost none of the stereotypes are even close to capturing how these functions actually work together. ⭐
I've made another comment on here about how the ESTJ is generally vilified in the MBTI community. This couldn't be further from the truth. My ESTJ mother in law is the most giving person ever - sure she's a work horse but it's all in service of others. We complement each other a lot, as an ENFJ we have a very similar way of processing information & she's very receptive to my input as we work in the same professional domain. I'm glad you found this relatable 😊
I’ve noticed that men often don’t get enough positive feedback on their appearance even when they deserve to hear it, so I just wanted to say-this current look really suits you. You looked good in your earlier videos, but there’s something about this style that’s especially attractive. It’s definitely a great impression!
This actually helps significantly with understanding and integrating the ISTP's Shadow function, it seems as though what ISTP's do internally is what ESTJ's tend to do externally, I now have a new understanding and appreciation for ESTJ's that I was grappling with prior due to the negative stereotypes.
I was grappling with this as well. Owing to the ubiquitous behavioural stereotypes as an ENFJ I never fully embraced the fact that I actually utilise TeNe convergence a lot especially in a work context (things go to sh*t at home thanks to my ADHD lol). I wish I had the same level of stamina with TeNe convergence as my TiNi. A highly misunderstood type indeed.
@@AnyaAnnika67 Oh absolutely, even as an ISTP reaching the point where you can use Te-Ne convergence requires a lot of time and energy, but once you're there it's like a flow state of sorts. I'm just now understanding how to make conscious use of my intuition by entering a flow state. My INTP friend referred to Ni as a pseudo Ti and I'm beginning to understand why. Edit: grammar fix
When playing strategy games I find myself loving my original plans over adjusting in favor of a faster (and better) victory. I try to catch myself and let go of my "perfect plans," but it feels like trying to swerve around a buoy with a giant tank liner. Have you noticed any types that have a proclivity for strategy or strategy type games?
This video was quite insightful. I’ve been thinking about whether or not I’m an ENTJ or ESTJ but when you started talking about the FiSi axis, it totally resonated with me (as well as the rest of the video did). I can also see myself looping in the TeNe axis more often than not. Loved it. I’m so happy I finally made up my mind about my type 😎
I can see your exictment of waiting to release the ESTJ video for last 😅 26:36 I believe that you can learn a lot from types other than your own and even relate with, you beautifully put that out :)
Hi Harry it's Emma. Thank you for pointing out the stereotypes often laden onto the ESTJ. My mother in law to be is actually an ESTJ and I actually notice a lot of similarities in how we operate with myself being an ENFJ with that insane TeNe dip & as per network theory of course. She's actually emotionally vulnerable in a lot of ways as a divergent feeler I remember having a falling out with my fiancé once & she really didn't know how to broach me - so much for the 'ballsey' stereotype she actually came across as very vulnerable & didn't know how to act. She's actually really receptive to other people's input as well: she sees me as the fountain of all knowledge on things mental health related (ok so she's slightly misinformed here though I am well read given that TiNi synthesis) and she'll always come to me for advice as she's a general nurse working in a school environment where there's a lot of students with mental health problems. Again there's this stereotype that they pay no attention to others input & are instead micromanagers in the most derogatory sense of the word. I have met some ESTJs like this but the vast majority of the healthy variants are not like this; whilst they don't like 'slackers' they value everyone's input & will go out of their way to help others. I'd actually say as far as Fe & Te dominance go we can be equally blunted albeit in a caring minor but if push comes to shove I'm the more blunted with loved ones out of the two of us; she's actually cautioned my fiancé on over involvement with my own family dynamics with my parents before. A very wise woman indeed. Ps could you explain reflexive Ti as a hyperdivergent function?😊. I think when my mother in law first found out we were pregnant without marriage & no mortgage in situ that Si authority couldn't handle the lack of stability but she's extremely generous & despite her initial dismay gifted us a house deposit & steered us financially in the right direction. The irony is my ESFP fiance thinks his mum isn't extremely relational but I as an ENFJ have developed an extremely close bound with her owing to that reciprocated FeSe synchronicity. You're right she was extremely hurt by my fiancés biological dad & it caused her to clam up over time but she's ridden that storm extremely well. Yes it really does mean the world to them & I'm lucky to have her as a mother in law ❤. When she comes to stay she takes on a natural care taker motherly role; all of our ironing etc is done for us lol. I'd agree whilst as an ENFJ I do see myself as a very strategic mastermind kind of archetype I'm not good at improvising if things go off course unless my TiNi has came across the said context before...with age I've become more adept at improvising on the fly thought it's not my natural mode de operandi.
I've been passively researching MBTI for more than three years and some other typologies for a bit over 10 years - all in an effort to understand myself, see how my emotional reactions and thought processes relate to the descriptions. I've had quite a few ''stops'', one of which was actually an ENFJ and the other INTJ/INTP, also thanks to the videos of Harry. But this is, I hope, my last stop as I feel finally I resonate deeply with a type. Not like "Oh I guess it's kinda me" but more like "Oh it's me and this is where this behavior/trend comes from.." I mean, all the things I thought I related to were more like the things I can do easily when I exert effort but this video unveiled things to which I relate on a more deep level I also love how Harry's content has greatly evolved (I've been following you for three years, quickly finding my first video and knowing I enjoy this level of depth) both in terms of depth and presentation. A great ending on the personal level and objectively for a series I've been following for 3 years. I also enjoy the more regular schedule! Thanks for food for thought, Harry!
I feel heard when I read this. I bounced between so many different types so many different times and yet this is the one type I've settled down with to which I deeply, deeply resonate.
@@toastedsandwichman5111I can understand as an ENFJ myself why ENFJ may resonate with you on some level. My mother in law is an ESTJ & we have an extremely similar way of processing information. Just a shame my TeNe becomes a bit redundant outside of work contexts but I'm a work in progress! I hate the vilification of the ESTJ in the MBTI community; I've only came across one ESTJ I didn't get along with.
Finally, some Enneagram CPT correlation on this channel!! (i really wanna see more of that lol) also i started looking further into CPT and it’s network theory and i was greatly inspired by your Yin+Yang concept to expand into this theory on quadrants. I put ESTJ into what I call the “Overseer” quadrant, along with INFP, ENFJ and ISTP. And their inferior (blindspot?) network I’ve called the “Idealist” quadrant, with ISFP, ESFJ, INTP and ENTJ Then there’s the “Philosopher” quadrant with INFJ, ENFP, ISTJ and ESTP, and finally the “Performer” quadrant with ISFJ, ESFP, INTJ and ENTP.
@@AnyaAnnika67 okay let me try to break it down. The Idealist quadrant (ISFP, ESFJ, INTP, ENTJ) are generally speaking the most idealistic of the types, in the sense they have an exacting standard (as Harry says in this video), whether it’s for themself, life, or the world around them. the Idealist settles least for mediocrity, and also has the strongest sense of individual identity, often crafting an ideal of the self which they feel they must live up to. As a result, this type’s top priority is often self-realisation, actualisation and manifestation of ideals, making them the most perfectionistic quadrant too. The Philosopher quadrant (INFJ, ENFP, ISTJ, ESTP) are going to be the ones most likely to describe the world around them with general philosophies, but not in the sense that they will accommodate to this environment and integrate themselves into it. The philosopher will more often feel that “the world around me is dangerous/evil/fake, i must avoid it, i must not integrate myself, otherwise i will lose myself”. The philosopher tends to have the strongest sense of personal boundaries, and will also often have a “truth teller” complex, valuing pure authenticity in thought no matter what it takes, and are much more likely to have a strong opinion on how something should change. This type is also the least likely to compromise their own opinion, and are often way too confident in their own ideas or thoughts to be able to listen to other perspectives. The Performer quadrant (ISFJ, ESFP, INTJ, ENTP) is the quadrant that most locks into an external archetype, character or role that is given to them (or they look for), and runs with it. Similarly to the Idealist, they tend to want to embody an archetype or ideal that they must live up to, but with the Performer, it is an external ideal or archetype, rather than an internal one. As a result, the Performer is far less individualistic than the Idealist, but is far more able to be of service to others and to give others what they want to see, or what they expect. The Performer crafts their own image based on an external standard, and will often feel like they are living their life as an actor, playing a role, and others will often see them as inauthentic for this. Despite this, the Performer, due to their value for living up to an external standard, will value things like respect, success and reputation the most, and will often be the most successful quadrant in general, whether that be in the workplace, academically, or with their hobbies. The Performer is often the one living up to the ideals the Idealist creates. The Overseer quadrant (INFP, ENFJ, ISTP, ESTJ) is the quadrant which is most concerned with observing the broad external world except, unlike the Philosopher, the Overseer wants to integrate themselves within this world, explore it without judgment, and be a maintainer of harmony and peaceful synthesis within this world, and do not want to initiate the radical change that the Philosopher often craves. The Overseer has generally the weakest sense of identity, as well. They struggle to have the strict sense of boundaries that the Philosopher has, but also do not really want to live up to an archetype or ideal, like the Performer or Idealist does. The Overseer, as the name would imply, puts the most weight upon their own harmonised perception of the world, and the least weight on their own individual judgment, making the Overseer a very curious and adventure seeking type, and also typically the most non-judgmental type. To make any sort of judgment here would be to betray or disrupt the harmony of the world that the Overseer so meticulously maintains. Therefore this is the quadrant that values understanding most, and probably also a great listener, or even therapist.
@@neoshadow4793 this is fantastic. I'm an ENFJ & found re the overseer this highly resonated ironically I want some training with Harry to try & in-still some personal boundaries. You're right I don't necessarily want radical change but change in so far as it makes logically cohesive sense (I can seem like a radical in my current profession as there's very little in the way of empirical backing so I am more experimental & curious out of necessity). Ironically I'm a mental health nurse who is also a therapist! Thanks for this it's very thought provoking indeed. My fiance is actually an ESFP & contrary to MBTI stereotypes he's extremely ambitious & fully established well up the career ladder in his profession. As an ENFJ I always try & promote a sense of curiously in other people indeed it's how I conduct a lot of therapy initially; in many's ways I can come off as combative but I'm not I'm simply quite tenacious & looking to arouse that natural sense of curiosity in other people. I always used to think it was a personal failing that I had a weaker sense of identity but as you say I think this is part & parcel of my natural cognitive makeup; maybe that's why we're so able to harmonise with the world around us. Aslong as I have an Ni vision in tact it kinda keeps that glaring weakness at bay. I think many people can perceive ENFJs as duplicitous for having a lack of definitive preferences & seemingly changing with the wind when the reality is we can simply see where everyone (as long as their perspectives are logically cohesive) is coming from & we kind of integrate aspects of others into our own identity albeit this is under constant flux. Ironically people laugh when I say I don't have a strong sense of identity - I'm actually pretty introverted but I am head strong & quite tenacious. If someone asked me to describe my identity I'd probably point to being academically & intellectually inclined but apart from that I'd struggle with any degree of authenticity tbh it's why I always found ISFPs when I was younger when watching films to be extremely alien to me but equally intriguing. I'd like to think I'm non judgmental; at least when I sit back & objectify facts & experiences from another's subjective perspective I can generally see where they're coming from but I can be antagonistic if someone is coming out with illogical b*llocks that deliberately seeks to undermine the harmony of the group/needlessly attacking another person even if I can substantiate where they're coming from I don't like domineering people or misinformation that causes derisions or misrepresents what another person is trying to convey. In my humble opinion, we'd all be a lot better off if we worked collaboratively together which is what I really like about the CPT discord & patreon (ie no one has a point to prove & everyone is equally as curious). I'm going to screen shot this & ponder this some more 😊. Thanks again 🙏.
Trivia fact: Beatrice Chestnut is exactly the type of an ESTJ who also happens to be a 2w1, that you're talking in point 3. She has built her whole career and life around helping and guiding people. IIRC she types as an ENFP, because of an association between the feeling and being humanitarian and serving.
Thanks for this. Are you familiar with the Grid-Group Theory of Mary Douglas and Aaron Wildavsky? It can be somewhat correlated with cognitive functions. The two dimensions of Group (organizational, not dyadic) and Grid (strength of group roles - compulsion). Looking at Myers-Briggs analysis of occupational preferences, high thinking (reason) types line up with high grid, while high feeling (values - authenticity) types are lower grid. Sensory is more individual while intuition is more group - although convergent functions can also have an effect, the way I measure it. What Dave and Shan call jumpers look to be people who can go one way or the other on second and third functions. For example, ESTJ will be high grid but can be either individualistic (most likely) or in touch with group cognition - paradigm - as such people like me can go on to graduate school if the field makes sense, even though the academic publishing process is maddenning.
@@michaelbindner9883 I like that distinction and it works well with CPT conceptions of S = micro and N = macro (all about whether the F is macro or the T)
@@melindamassey14 My honest opinion? I'm not sure if NPD is ever made more or less sufferable by someone's cognitive type. I'm also not sure if ESTJs are more likely to have NPD or if people with NPD are more likely to receive an ESTJ score from a test. Regardless, communicating boundaries with someone with such a fragile sense self-worth and lack of safety in their own body is an art form that nobody should have to master. Trained therapists can help with communication strategies for such cases. I know not everyone has the luxury of an escape route
Finally !! Great video that does this type justice.The videos are getting better and better 🥹 loved the insights (particuliary the Fe-se within the estj )
Yes! I'm an ENFJ typed by Harry & have noticed a lot of similarities between myself & my ESTJ mother in law to be. The FeSe of the ESTJ is definitely underrated. She's extremely emotionally sensitive having been through a lot of heart ache during her life. I'm a mental health nurse & she's a general nurse so we'll often team up to consolidate each others TiNi - definitely a force to be reckoned with lol. I find it fascinating how their TeNe literally pervades all aspects of their life; I'm extremely adept re TeNe in the work place but an extreme slob at home lol albeit I'm getting better but given my executive functioning (I have ADHD) it is hard work.
I relate a lot to these descriptions as a self-typed ENFP! Could I be an ESTJ, or could it be the full sharing of cognitive function pairs? I must learn more!!
Enfp is actually the most similar type to estj. One way to tell the difference that you might not thought of is your blind spot, it would be Ti if you're an ENFP, or Ni if you're an ESTJ. I noticed I had trouble seeing the big picture and using my "gut" before I knew what Ni was. Enfps seem to struggle with the idea of absolute truth and the idea that you can be certain that something is objectively true, and personally I don't.
25:47 Precisely. That is Beth Harmon who is a EIE. That's the use of DA. As for the rest of your vid you described DA in general and in particular for LSE or ESTJ you described the logic of integration that they possess. But in terms of the "musicality" of it. That's a shared DA trait. You can look up the specialized logic of each type by Viktor Gulenko and see that each type employs a particular type of DA. What makes music is notes according to a rhythm and tempo creating a melody. In that case in the case of DA it is this arrangement and interval which is akin to like calculation or computation. Just like in a piece you can play on multiple notes, octaves, etc, in the same way is here with DA as well. You have the piece which is the arrangement of notes and which you have to "compute" it. This computation and calculation is akin to like the random access memory or RAM in which a computer access the memory such as accessing the piece and then it plays it or it creates those threads with various functions that compute different aspects of the piece. Those threads that compute or play the piece could be seen as "actors" each with their own designated function and part in the "play". So another thing DA is related to theatrics as well. The "play" is the sum of all actors involved which makes the scenary and in which each actor has a part or script that he has to play by. This play as in the case of music is "orchestrated" by a conductor and in the case of theatrics by a director. In this way you can see all DA users as masterminds for they all "orchestrate". That's the nature of DA. See the pattern yet? But if I were to give a brief definition for DA it would be this: "DA is a divergent process of thinking with an emphasis of a multi threading processing technique in which threads of thinking are taken in either parallel or series that is they are either added up or divided." This can allow for inventive solutions in the case of which through addition one can create solutions on a case by case basis but through division one has to divide rightly in such a way that it forms a kind of frame by which things work by. Like a kind of blueprint or design. In the latter case this type of thinking tends to be viewed as a kind of fabric almost in the case of which it forms a pattern. So what this means is also as Gulenko pointed out DA is a deductive form of cognition. Division itself gives a definite result and so does addition. They are ultimately like two poles of the same thing. You can verify it by adding up the sum that was divided and you can divide up that sum. It's like almost a cycle of destruction and creation in the hands of a DA user. It's cutting and putting in. Just like a director can choose what parts to play and add and what parts to take out or a conductor can choose and set the tempo of the melody. There's much more to be said about DA. But another characteristic of DA is that it tends to be concerned with the relation between subject and object. We call for instance a chair that way relative to our perception of it. However what really makes a chair is ultimately a convention of our language. For instance seen from a different angle would a chair still be a chair? So we call something as being something based on being able to keep it's contents that of which must keep a isomorphic structure that repeats across and it thus can be identifiable by. However that's were the weird and paradoxical nature of DA cames from. If you take away through division parts of that thing or add it up would it still be the same thing? Could you still name it the same if it loses that isomorphic structure? Will it still have the same identity? If you project from a different angle will you see the same thing or will it change? In the case of which then one has to well use language to identify that new thing. So DA has a link with language as well. Language is dualistic in itself. There is a difference between the semantics of what is being said and the object that's being represented. Words don't always denote the same reality. Example is the use of metaphors. Does me saying a poisonous apple can refer to the physical apple or to something else? What if it refers to a lie which is an abstraction but from which in my mind a lie maintains the isomorphic structure of an apple in being a sphere. So when I refer to an apple being poisonous I'm in fact refering to a lie being poisonous through it's spherical form that is isomorphic on the surface in it's appearance but you can't know what's inside until you actually "bite" it. In this way I would say that DA is also related to abstraction itself as well. I took an object ie an apple and from there I refered to the characteristics of an apple that are different yet shared in order to contrast it with something else thereby divorcing the real object ie the apple in the context from its intentended aspect and shifting the focus towards a different aspect that of a lie and taking away only its spherical shape as a shared element. Since one can't touch, smell, etc, a sphere. That makes for an abstraction. So another thing related to DA is that of relation in specific abstract relations. I could say that Venn diagram relations are essentially what DA is about. In this specific case I used a particular kind to denote the relation between the apple and lie that of intersection in Venn diagram. Which presents the shared characteristics while keeping the different aspects thereby creating a contrast between the two seeming as they became each other. This creates the tension of opposites in dialectics between what is and what isn't. This kind of thinking can also lead to other paradoxes such as the liar paradox. If in the context of the language I employ I don't refer to the actual apple and the reality surrounding it but to something else which keeps the geometrical isomorphic structure of the apple but has a different context and meaning. How do we know that our words do denote the reality we truly perceive and it's meaning and isn't just a fabrication in our own mind based on how we view those subject and object relations? How do we know that our language is the correct use of language considering that everything cames from such relations of how we use abstraction to link language to a representation in reality. So how can we know that our representations are indeed real and true? And if language in itself is dualistic is there any point in using language in the first place if our meaning will always be conveyed partially? This is the liar paradox. Do we talk about the reality or only the interface ie language in this case that we use to access it? So this is the parallel threading that I was talking about. Now we have the object diverged from its intended meaning and we just get an abstraction as with the apple being a sphere. So we successfully deconstructed reality and now we get an empty abstraction just like perhaps our own sense of identity and perhaps then it is too empty and from here the void will only grow within you hehe... Welcome to nihilism 101... Perhaps you can then group types in terms of their cognition type and then present the shared and different characteristics of each. Types that use DA besides LSE or ESTJ are ILI INTJ, EIE or ENFJ, and SEI or ISFJ. I will give a brief summary of each: LSE uses the logic of integration of opposites SEI uses the logic of synthesis EIE uses the logic of differentiation ILI uses parallel progression All those types use DA but their employment is different for each. One might tend to think that they can be inferred from the cognitive functions but we have completly different types with the same form of cognition but yet still different. Hence I don't think that they can be completly inferred from cognitive functions alone. It seems more to be the case that there are certain combinations and "constellations" or networks of functions that seems to produce those different results while still being the same form of cognition DA. However in order to prove that you would need a graphical representation of how those networks form and how they might or might not relate to the forms of cognition and logic types that each possess. Until then all is like DA itself is claims of language but no one to one mapping or causation. And since correlation =//= causation. Then we are left with only fruitless correlations or associations.
I just wanted to say I'm not particularly well acquainted with socionics but this post was extremely thought provoking. I was wandering as an ENFJ myself if you could expound a little further on the ENFJ & logic of differentiation? No worries if you don't have time or need to keep it brief 😊. Also, could you also explain why you'd classify Beth Harmon as an EIE? Just for reference, I've been typed by Harry as a divergent TiNi ENFJ.
This type is not as common as people might think, otherwise it's relatively common. My only criticism towards them is they tend to openly hate some people, at least they are not hostile.
I guess this may well come down to being cognisant of their preferences but not being able to fully articulate why this is the case? My ESTJ mother in law happens to be lovely to everyone in fact too accommodating but I had a mentor who I think hated my guts: I think as ENFJ with a heavy TeNe convergent dip she probably didn't like it that I was independent of her support than what she wanted & that rubbed her up the wrong way. I'd notice she'd never 'burn' the slacker students but went out of her way to micro manage & monitor what I was doing when I was one of the least likely to require support due to my level of training & cognitive preferences.
Hello Harry. I was wondering if you were going to make more videos about the variations of types. I am pretty sure to be an istj, but I don’t relate much to descriptions. I seem to be more focused on my internal word…Or, I may be an infp? This is confusing for me! I hope you will consider this!
Nope. I'm definitely not an ESTJ. Not by a long shot. Not one of these signs fits me. But it was helpful to my understanding of the strengths, weaknesses, motivations, and relationships of my boss, who is the associate director of facility operations for a large university. I am: 30% INTP 20% ENTP 20% ESTP 20% ISTP 10% feeling variants And yes, making final decisions about anything is incredibly unnatural and stressful to me. I'm almost dead center between introversion and extroversion; I'm also almost dead center between intuition and sensing; but I'm fairly high in the prospecting department. I would just assume multiply my options to no end. Or at the very least, keep all my options open as long as humanly possible. Brainstorming is the easiest thing in the world to me. I see connections no one else does, and come up with useful ideas at home and in the workplace that no one else would, that create permanent benefits to all. But I can't begin to do what my boss-an ESTJ-does. It would burn me out in a single day to take on her responsibilities.
Seeing in various videos that you somehow connect TiNi with some INTJ stereotypes and descriptions, is it safe to conclude that the same happens with NiTi and INTP, NiFi and INFP etc? I don't mean that there is a clear correspondence between these types but some overlap, that in reality these are the types that are closer to descriptions and stereotypes of MBTI system
I’ve been wondering recently id Steve Jobs might’ve been an ESTJ. He was known for his temper, his managerial abilities, as well as the fact that he was never specalised into something specific, like TeSe/TiSi. He was more of a pathfinder, requiring his own specialists for the specific details… I know that my explanation has been kept short, but what do you think Harry?
I think the analogies you referenced early on make sense(Since I'm an ESTJ). Though now that I think on it there are some parts I find myself scratching my head on (referring to: Ecosystemic Te chapter) Because I always self-reflect on the TeNe+ point and think to myself "That doesn't seem right for some reason". IDK why, but I've always thought in my case one of those 2 elements was introverted. Am I perhaps thrown off by elsewhere factors (EX: Astrology)?
@@AnyaAnnika67 I always thought a portion of the reason I'm confused to a degree is the fact that my moon sign (inner emotions) is Scorpio which is related to intuition more than sensing stereotypically speaking. Thanks very much for the extra insight.
Harry you should make a more conscious effort to increase the quality and distinctness of the Prosody of your voice (it's becoming a good quality of the videos already)
Jung Carl, ive been lessening to interview with him. I understand him / his words connect my dots. I see other's that think Jung is to veg. That one of my problems was he a INFJ? THE REASON I SEE INTO OTHERS FOR MY SAFETY at a young age i needed to. JUNG IS RIGHT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND OTHERS EAGO. I UNDERSTAND NOW I AN A TRUE INFJ TYPE. PS I STILL DON'T LIKE GETTING POKED IN A CRACK.
I don't know, but I don't think you're an infj because of your childhood, first of all siblings are often different types. Secondly I'm estj but I don't get easily manipulated by people even though I don't naturally read them very well, because I'm careful and try to make wise decisions regardless of what other people say I should do. Lastly keep in mind while I'm sure you're good at understanding people, INFJs often need work on Se (being observant and in the moment) and sometimes can fail to understand that people act differently based on the situation, or that people are individuals as well as being part of a group.
I would think ESTJ's are more mistyped as ENTJ because of shared extraverted thinking. I mistyped as an ENTJ. not sure why some mistype as INTJ. depends on social event I'm going to you find it in both these types less extraversion for extraverted type. Both are smart types in different ways and good leaders. leadership generally comes naturally. Not that much of a stickler for the rules depending on if the rules make sense or are there for a reason. We do relax on our own time that seems to be something people don't know about type A personality people.
He speaks in too generalistic terms, which is easy for people to relate to. Like astrology. My tests say ESTJ. However, I'm somewhat skeptical of the validity of MBTI. That looks like too much wishful thinking and most people's functions are a salad, not in those boxes TeNe blabla, in which people want to evaluate them. That's why most of these evaluations seem to backfire. Someone says something about your mbti and you don't see anything useful to your life. It's just bland statements for some people to have a feeling of belonging to something. Nothing else.
@@danieldbdb I actually agree! Cognitive functions are not assigned in a hierarchy and exist simultaneously in different ways across people, which is actually spectral rather than categorical, yet categories are useful to chart a position within a sea of differences. The salad analogy is apt
I'd say with the theory becoming more grounded in SiTi (yes a tautology I know) that this kinda offsets the theory being too generalistic. Even so psychology is generalistic at least when we're looking at trends across a population as opposed to individual variants. I think you might change your mind if you accessed a typology service particularly CPT not MBTI (I have no bias here as I'm a patreon that's all); I'm not easy to impress & Harry produced some very apt insights that were far from generalistic. When we get into subtypes & network theory it becomes a heck of a lot more individualised & nuanced.
I don't care that much about having a feeling of belonging, some people do. I like it because it explains a lot about how people think, it shows that people have natural strengths and weaknesses, and it can be used for self-improvement. Each of the cognitive functions is more complicated than some people seem to think. For example extroverted sensing (Se) is using your five senses and noticing what's happening in the moment, well that's something people do all the time but some are better at it than others. Since I use Si I still use my five senses, but I have to process something in my mind and become familiar with it to understand it. When I first hear a song I don't know the melody, I have to become familiar with it, and then I know it and can often play songs (well enough) on the piano that I haven't heard for years, using the sensory information inside my brain.
I get not being into labels, but when you understand the different personalities it explains a lot about why different people do what they do. But it doesn't put people in boxes, because two people with different personalities could still do the same thing for different reasons, for example.
Thank you so much for this one. As an ESTJ, it is so hard to find content about this type that is thoughtful and that isn't based on too-simple dichotomies or stereotypes. Everything you said resonated very deeply and was exceptionally validating, especially considering I know my cognition works as ESTJ and yet almost none of the stereotypes are even close to capturing how these functions actually work together. ⭐
@@marybethgibson4022 I truly appreciate your comment and am so glad the video did you justice!
@@marybethgibson4022 Very similar. His comments resonated a lot.
I've made another comment on here about how the ESTJ is generally vilified in the MBTI community. This couldn't be further from the truth. My ESTJ mother in law is the most giving person ever - sure she's a work horse but it's all in service of others. We complement each other a lot, as an ENFJ we have a very similar way of processing information & she's very receptive to my input as we work in the same professional domain. I'm glad you found this relatable 😊
My younger brother is an ESTJ and youre so right when you say ESTJs are highly misunderstood.
I've been waiting 4... No, 5000 years for this video!
You do not know how long I’ve been waiting for this video
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I’ve noticed that men often don’t get enough positive feedback on their appearance even when they deserve to hear it, so I just wanted to say-this current look really suits you. You looked good in your earlier videos, but there’s something about this style that’s especially attractive. It’s definitely a great impression!
Very interesting. If I didn't have complete confidence that I'm totally introverted, I would consider possibly being an ESTJ. Thanks, Harry.
Well… time to cast doubt on my theory that I have INTP preferences.
This actually helps significantly with understanding and integrating the ISTP's Shadow function, it seems as though what ISTP's do internally is what ESTJ's tend to do externally, I now have a new understanding and appreciation for ESTJ's that I was grappling with prior due to the negative stereotypes.
I was grappling with this as well. Owing to the ubiquitous behavioural stereotypes as an ENFJ I never fully embraced the fact that I actually utilise TeNe convergence a lot especially in a work context (things go to sh*t at home thanks to my ADHD lol). I wish I had the same level of stamina with TeNe convergence as my TiNi. A highly misunderstood type indeed.
@@AnyaAnnika67 Oh absolutely, even as an ISTP reaching the point where you can use Te-Ne convergence requires a lot of time and energy, but once you're there it's like a flow state of sorts. I'm just now understanding how to make conscious use of my intuition by entering a flow state. My INTP friend referred to Ni as a pseudo Ti and I'm beginning to understand why.
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When playing strategy games I find myself loving my original plans over adjusting in favor of a faster (and better) victory.
I try to catch myself and let go of my "perfect plans," but it feels like trying to swerve around a buoy with a giant tank liner.
Have you noticed any types that have a proclivity for strategy or strategy type games?
ENFJ here & Harry has mentioned that the ENFJ is one of the most strategic types in patreon live videos; that divergent TiNi certainly helps!
i may have gotten a little emotional over how understood i felt for sign #5. this was all so good. thank you.
This video was quite insightful.
I’ve been thinking about whether or not I’m an ENTJ or ESTJ but when you started talking about the FiSi axis, it totally resonated with me (as well as the rest of the video did).
I can also see myself looping in the TeNe axis more often than not.
Loved it. I’m so happy I finally made up my mind about my type 😎
Thank you for the informative video, Harry! I couldn't decide whether I was an ENTJ or an ESTJ and this video made it crystal clear.
I can see your exictment of waiting to release the ESTJ video for last 😅
26:36 I believe that you can learn a lot from types other than your own and even relate with, you beautifully put that out :)
Hi Harry it's Emma. Thank you for pointing out the stereotypes often laden onto the ESTJ. My mother in law to be is actually an ESTJ and I actually notice a lot of similarities in how we operate with myself being an ENFJ with that insane TeNe dip & as per network theory of course. She's actually emotionally vulnerable in a lot of ways as a divergent feeler I remember having a falling out with my fiancé once & she really didn't know how to broach me - so much for the 'ballsey' stereotype she actually came across as very vulnerable & didn't know how to act. She's actually really receptive to other people's input as well: she sees me as the fountain of all knowledge on things mental health related (ok so she's slightly misinformed here though I am well read given that TiNi synthesis) and she'll always come to me for advice as she's a general nurse working in a school environment where there's a lot of students with mental health problems. Again there's this stereotype that they pay no attention to others input & are instead micromanagers in the most derogatory sense of the word. I have met some ESTJs like this but the vast majority of the healthy variants are not like this; whilst they don't like 'slackers' they value everyone's input & will go out of their way to help others. I'd actually say as far as Fe & Te dominance go we can be equally blunted albeit in a caring minor but if push comes to shove I'm the more blunted with loved ones out of the two of us; she's actually cautioned my fiancé on over involvement with my own family dynamics with my parents before. A very wise woman indeed. Ps could you explain reflexive Ti as a hyperdivergent function?😊. I think when my mother in law first found out we were pregnant without marriage & no mortgage in situ that Si authority couldn't handle the lack of stability but she's extremely generous & despite her initial dismay gifted us a house deposit & steered us financially in the right direction. The irony is my ESFP fiance thinks his mum isn't extremely relational but I as an ENFJ have developed an extremely close bound with her owing to that reciprocated FeSe synchronicity. You're right she was extremely hurt by my fiancés biological dad & it caused her to clam up over time but she's ridden that storm extremely well. Yes it really does mean the world to them & I'm lucky to have her as a mother in law ❤. When she comes to stay she takes on a natural care taker motherly role; all of our ironing etc is done for us lol. I'd agree whilst as an ENFJ I do see myself as a very strategic mastermind kind of archetype I'm not good at improvising if things go off course unless my TiNi has came across the said context before...with age I've become more adept at improvising on the fly thought it's not my natural mode de operandi.
I've been passively researching MBTI for more than three years and some other typologies for a bit over 10 years - all in an effort to understand myself, see how my emotional reactions and thought processes relate to the descriptions. I've had quite a few ''stops'', one of which was actually an ENFJ and the other INTJ/INTP, also thanks to the videos of Harry. But this is, I hope, my last stop as I feel finally I resonate deeply with a type. Not like "Oh I guess it's kinda me" but more like "Oh it's me and this is where this behavior/trend comes from.."
I mean, all the things I thought I related to were more like the things I can do easily when I exert effort but this video unveiled things to which I relate on a more deep level
I also love how Harry's content has greatly evolved (I've been following you for three years, quickly finding my first video and knowing I enjoy this level of depth) both in terms of depth and presentation. A great ending on the personal level and objectively for a series I've been following for 3 years. I also enjoy the more regular schedule!
Thanks for food for thought, Harry!
@@awpprofa I appreciate it!
I feel heard when I read this. I bounced between so many different types so many different times and yet this is the one type I've settled down with to which I deeply, deeply resonate.
@@toastedsandwichman5111I can understand as an ENFJ myself why ENFJ may resonate with you on some level. My mother in law is an ESTJ & we have an extremely similar way of processing information. Just a shame my TeNe becomes a bit redundant outside of work contexts but I'm a work in progress! I hate the vilification of the ESTJ in the MBTI community; I've only came across one ESTJ I didn't get along with.
Thank you for making this series, it was really great for getting me to look inside myself
So good! Harry, please make a video about ESTJ vs INTJ! ❤
Finally, some Enneagram CPT correlation on this channel!! (i really wanna see more of that lol)
also i started looking further into CPT and it’s network theory and i was greatly inspired by your Yin+Yang concept to expand into this theory on quadrants.
I put ESTJ into what I call the “Overseer” quadrant, along with INFP, ENFJ and ISTP.
And their inferior (blindspot?) network I’ve called the “Idealist” quadrant, with ISFP, ESFJ, INTP and ENTJ
Then there’s the “Philosopher” quadrant with INFJ, ENFP, ISTJ and ESTP, and finally the “Performer” quadrant with ISFJ, ESFP, INTJ and ENTP.
This is interesting. Would you mind explaining how you've came to these overarching categorisations? 😊
@@AnyaAnnika67 okay let me try to break it down.
The Idealist quadrant (ISFP, ESFJ, INTP, ENTJ) are generally speaking the most idealistic of the types, in the sense they have an exacting standard (as Harry says in this video), whether it’s for themself, life, or the world around them. the Idealist settles least for mediocrity, and also has the strongest sense of individual identity, often crafting an ideal of the self which they feel they must live up to. As a result, this type’s top priority is often self-realisation, actualisation and manifestation of ideals, making them the most perfectionistic quadrant too.
The Philosopher quadrant (INFJ, ENFP, ISTJ, ESTP) are going to be the ones most likely to describe the world around them with general philosophies, but not in the sense that they will accommodate to this environment and integrate themselves into it. The philosopher will more often feel that “the world around me is dangerous/evil/fake, i must avoid it, i must not integrate myself, otherwise i will lose myself”. The philosopher tends to have the strongest sense of personal boundaries, and will also often have a “truth teller” complex, valuing pure authenticity in thought no matter what it takes, and are much more likely to have a strong opinion on how something should change. This type is also the least likely to compromise their own opinion, and are often way too confident in their own ideas or thoughts to be able to listen to other perspectives.
The Performer quadrant (ISFJ, ESFP, INTJ, ENTP) is the quadrant that most locks into an external archetype, character or role that is given to them (or they look for), and runs with it. Similarly to the Idealist, they tend to want to embody an archetype or ideal that they must live up to, but with the Performer, it is an external ideal or archetype, rather than an internal one. As a result, the Performer is far less individualistic than the Idealist, but is far more able to be of service to others and to give others what they want to see, or what they expect. The Performer crafts their own image based on an external standard, and will often feel like they are living their life as an actor, playing a role, and others will often see them as inauthentic for this. Despite this, the Performer, due to their value for living up to an external standard, will value things like respect, success and reputation the most, and will often be the most successful quadrant in general, whether that be in the workplace, academically, or with their hobbies. The Performer is often the one living up to the ideals the Idealist creates.
The Overseer quadrant (INFP, ENFJ, ISTP, ESTJ) is the quadrant which is most concerned with observing the broad external world except, unlike the Philosopher, the Overseer wants to integrate themselves within this world, explore it without judgment, and be a maintainer of harmony and peaceful synthesis within this world, and do not want to initiate the radical change that the Philosopher often craves. The Overseer has generally the weakest sense of identity, as well. They struggle to have the strict sense of boundaries that the Philosopher has, but also do not really want to live up to an archetype or ideal, like the Performer or Idealist does. The Overseer, as the name would imply, puts the most weight upon their own harmonised perception of the world, and the least weight on their own individual judgment, making the Overseer a very curious and adventure seeking type, and also typically the most non-judgmental type. To make any sort of judgment here would be to betray or disrupt the harmony of the world that the Overseer so meticulously maintains. Therefore this is the quadrant that values understanding most, and probably also a great listener, or even therapist.
@@neoshadow4793 this is fantastic. I'm an ENFJ & found re the overseer this highly resonated ironically I want some training with Harry to try & in-still some personal boundaries. You're right I don't necessarily want radical change but change in so far as it makes logically cohesive sense (I can seem like a radical in my current profession as there's very little in the way of empirical backing so I am more experimental & curious out of necessity). Ironically I'm a mental health nurse who is also a therapist! Thanks for this it's very thought provoking indeed. My fiance is actually an ESFP & contrary to MBTI stereotypes he's extremely ambitious & fully established well up the career ladder in his profession. As an ENFJ I always try & promote a sense of curiously in other people indeed it's how I conduct a lot of therapy initially; in many's ways I can come off as combative but I'm not I'm simply quite tenacious & looking to arouse that natural sense of curiosity in other people. I always used to think it was a personal failing that I had a weaker sense of identity but as you say I think this is part & parcel of my natural cognitive makeup; maybe that's why we're so able to harmonise with the world around us. Aslong as I have an Ni vision in tact it kinda keeps that glaring weakness at bay. I think many people can perceive ENFJs as duplicitous for having a lack of definitive preferences & seemingly changing with the wind when the reality is we can simply see where everyone (as long as their perspectives are logically cohesive) is coming from & we kind of integrate aspects of others into our own identity albeit this is under constant flux. Ironically people laugh when I say I don't have a strong sense of identity - I'm actually pretty introverted but I am head strong & quite tenacious. If someone asked me to describe my identity I'd probably point to being academically & intellectually inclined but apart from that I'd struggle with any degree of authenticity tbh it's why I always found ISFPs when I was younger when watching films to be extremely alien to me but equally intriguing. I'd like to think I'm non judgmental; at least when I sit back & objectify facts & experiences from another's subjective perspective I can generally see where they're coming from but I can be antagonistic if someone is coming out with illogical b*llocks that deliberately seeks to undermine the harmony of the group/needlessly attacking another person even if I can substantiate where they're coming from I don't like domineering people or misinformation that causes derisions or misrepresents what another person is trying to convey. In my humble opinion, we'd all be a lot better off if we worked collaboratively together which is what I really like about the CPT discord & patreon (ie no one has a point to prove & everyone is equally as curious). I'm going to screen shot this & ponder this some more 😊. Thanks again 🙏.
ESTJ: I'm looking for a ESTJ: LOOKS LIKE FUN ON THE RUN FOR ME.
Trivia fact: Beatrice Chestnut is exactly the type of an ESTJ who also happens to be a 2w1, that you're talking in point 3. She has built her whole career and life around helping and guiding people. IIRC she types as an ENFP, because of an association between the feeling and being humanitarian and serving.
I'm super early: omg the video i've been waiting for so long 😂
THE PROPHECY
OH FINALLY. Been waiting for this!
I suspect my mother is an ESTJ, so this explanation will be very useful.✅I think perhaps I'll understand her better with the help of this video.
I hope I'm still around when you get your PHD. Good chat an I understand you! PS I'm truly self educated so I read people more then hear
Thanks for this.
Are you familiar with the Grid-Group Theory of Mary Douglas and Aaron Wildavsky? It can be somewhat correlated with cognitive functions. The two dimensions of Group (organizational, not dyadic) and Grid (strength of group roles - compulsion). Looking at Myers-Briggs analysis of occupational preferences, high thinking (reason) types line up with high grid, while high feeling (values - authenticity) types are lower grid. Sensory is more individual while intuition is more group - although convergent functions can also have an effect, the way I measure it. What Dave and Shan call jumpers look to be people who can go one way or the other on second and third functions. For example, ESTJ will be high grid but can be either individualistic (most likely) or in touch with group cognition - paradigm - as such people like me can go on to graduate school if the field makes sense, even though the academic publishing process is maddenning.
@@michaelbindner9883 I like that distinction and it works well with CPT conceptions of S = micro and N = macro (all about whether the F is macro or the T)
The way i just click the video in 0.0001 sec
I think the protagonist from apocalypse now, that I sow on yesterday, is estj introvert
Very well explained! Thanks for this!
How do you protect yourself from a toxic one who thinks they have the right to play god and attack you and judge you???
@@melindamassey14 My honest opinion? I'm not sure if NPD is ever made more or less sufferable by someone's cognitive type. I'm also not sure if ESTJs are more likely to have NPD or if people with NPD are more likely to receive an ESTJ score from a test. Regardless, communicating boundaries with someone with such a fragile sense self-worth and lack of safety in their own body is an art form that nobody should have to master. Trained therapists can help with communication strategies for such cases. I know not everyone has the luxury of an escape route
Finally !! Great video that does this type justice.The videos are getting better and better 🥹 loved the insights (particuliary the Fe-se within the estj )
Yes! I'm an ENFJ typed by Harry & have noticed a lot of similarities between myself & my ESTJ mother in law to be. The FeSe of the ESTJ is definitely underrated. She's extremely emotionally sensitive having been through a lot of heart ache during her life. I'm a mental health nurse & she's a general nurse so we'll often team up to consolidate each others TiNi - definitely a force to be reckoned with lol. I find it fascinating how their TeNe literally pervades all aspects of their life; I'm extremely adept re TeNe in the work place but an extreme slob at home lol albeit I'm getting better but given my executive functioning (I have ADHD) it is hard work.
I relate a lot to these descriptions as a self-typed ENFP! Could I be an ESTJ, or could it be the full sharing of cognitive function pairs? I must learn more!!
Enfp is actually the most similar type to estj. One way to tell the difference that you might not thought of is your blind spot, it would be Ti if you're an ENFP, or Ni if you're an ESTJ. I noticed I had trouble seeing the big picture and using my "gut" before I knew what Ni was. Enfps seem to struggle with the idea of absolute truth and the idea that you can be certain that something is objectively true, and personally I don't.
25:47 Precisely. That is Beth Harmon who is a EIE. That's the use of DA.
As for the rest of your vid you described DA in general and in particular for LSE or ESTJ you described the logic of integration that they possess.
But in terms of the "musicality" of it. That's a shared DA trait. You can look up the specialized logic of each type by Viktor Gulenko and see that each type employs a particular type of DA. What makes music is notes according to a rhythm and tempo creating a melody. In that case in the case of DA it is this arrangement and interval which is akin to like calculation or computation. Just like in a piece you can play on multiple notes, octaves, etc, in the same way is here with DA as well. You have the piece which is the arrangement of notes and which you have to "compute" it. This computation and calculation is akin to like the random access memory or RAM in which a computer access the memory such as accessing the piece and then it plays it or it creates those threads with various functions that compute different aspects of the piece. Those threads that compute or play the piece could be seen as "actors" each with their own designated function and part in the "play". So another thing DA is related to theatrics as well. The "play" is the sum of all actors involved which makes the scenary and in which each actor has a part or script that he has to play by. This play as in the case of music is "orchestrated" by a conductor and in the case of theatrics by a director. In this way you can see all DA users as masterminds for they all "orchestrate". That's the nature of DA. See the pattern yet?
But if I were to give a brief definition for DA it would be this: "DA is a divergent process of thinking with an emphasis of a multi threading processing technique in which threads of thinking are taken in either parallel or series that is they are either added up or divided." This can allow for inventive solutions in the case of which through addition one can create solutions on a case by case basis but through division one has to divide rightly in such a way that it forms a kind of frame by which things work by. Like a kind of blueprint or design. In the latter case this type of thinking tends to be viewed as a kind of fabric almost in the case of which it forms a pattern.
So what this means is also as Gulenko pointed out DA is a deductive form of cognition. Division itself gives a definite result and so does addition. They are ultimately like two poles of the same thing. You can verify it by adding up the sum that was divided and you can divide up that sum. It's like almost a cycle of destruction and creation in the hands of a DA user. It's cutting and putting in. Just like a director can choose what parts to play and add and what parts to take out or a conductor can choose and set the tempo of the melody.
There's much more to be said about DA. But another characteristic of DA is that it tends to be concerned with the relation between subject and object. We call for instance a chair that way relative to our perception of it. However what really makes a chair is ultimately a convention of our language.
For instance seen from a different angle would a chair still be a chair?
So we call something as being something based on being able to keep it's contents that of which must keep a isomorphic structure that repeats across and it thus can be identifiable by. However that's were the weird and paradoxical nature of DA cames from. If you take away through division parts of that thing or add it up would it still be the same thing? Could you still name it the same if it loses that isomorphic structure? Will it still have the same identity? If you project from a different angle will you see the same thing or will it change? In the case of which then one has to well use language to identify that new thing.
So DA has a link with language as well. Language is dualistic in itself. There is a difference between the semantics of what is being said and the object that's being represented. Words don't always denote the same reality. Example is the use of metaphors. Does me saying a poisonous apple can refer to the physical apple or to something else? What if it refers to a lie which is an abstraction but from which in my mind a lie maintains the isomorphic structure of an apple in being a sphere. So when I refer to an apple being poisonous I'm in fact refering to a lie being poisonous through it's spherical form that is isomorphic on the surface in it's appearance but you can't know what's inside until you actually "bite" it.
In this way I would say that DA is also related to abstraction itself as well. I took an object ie an apple and from there I refered to the characteristics of an apple that are different yet shared in order to contrast it with something else thereby divorcing the real object ie the apple in the context from its intentended aspect and shifting the focus towards a different aspect that of a lie and taking away only its spherical shape as a shared element. Since one can't touch, smell, etc, a sphere. That makes for an abstraction.
So another thing related to DA is that of relation in specific abstract relations. I could say that Venn diagram relations are essentially what DA is about. In this specific case I used a particular kind to denote the relation between the apple and lie that of intersection in Venn diagram. Which presents the shared characteristics while keeping the different aspects thereby creating a contrast between the two seeming as they became each other. This creates the tension of opposites in dialectics between what is and what isn't.
This kind of thinking can also lead to other paradoxes such as the liar paradox. If in the context of the language I employ I don't refer to the actual apple and the reality surrounding it but to something else which keeps the geometrical isomorphic structure of the apple but has a different context and meaning. How do we know that our words do denote the reality we truly perceive and it's meaning and isn't just a fabrication in our own mind based on how we view those subject and object relations? How do we know that our language is the correct use of language considering that everything cames from such relations of how we use abstraction to link language to a representation in reality. So how can we know that our representations are indeed real and true? And if language in itself is dualistic is there any point in using language in the first place if our meaning will always be conveyed partially?
This is the liar paradox. Do we talk about the reality or only the interface ie language in this case that we use to access it?
So this is the parallel threading that I was talking about. Now we have the object diverged from its intended meaning and we just get an abstraction as with the apple being a sphere. So we successfully deconstructed reality and now we get an empty abstraction just like perhaps our own sense of identity and perhaps then it is too empty and from here the void will only grow within you hehe... Welcome to nihilism 101...
Perhaps you can then group types in terms of their cognition type and then present the shared and different characteristics of each. Types that use DA besides LSE or ESTJ are ILI INTJ, EIE or ENFJ, and SEI or ISFJ.
I will give a brief summary of each:
LSE uses the logic of integration of opposites
SEI uses the logic of synthesis
EIE uses the logic of differentiation
ILI uses parallel progression
All those types use DA but their employment is different for each. One might tend to think that they can be inferred from the cognitive functions but we have completly different types with the same form of cognition but yet still different. Hence I don't think that they can be completly inferred from cognitive functions alone. It seems more to be the case that there are certain combinations and "constellations" or networks of functions that seems to produce those different results while still being the same form of cognition DA. However in order to prove that you would need a graphical representation of how those networks form and how they might or might not relate to the forms of cognition and logic types that each possess. Until then all is like DA itself is claims of language but no one to one mapping or causation. And since correlation =//= causation. Then we are left with only fruitless correlations or associations.
I just wanted to say I'm not particularly well acquainted with socionics but this post was extremely thought provoking. I was wandering as an ENFJ myself if you could expound a little further on the ENFJ & logic of differentiation? No worries if you don't have time or need to keep it brief 😊. Also, could you also explain why you'd classify Beth Harmon as an EIE? Just for reference, I've been typed by Harry as a divergent TiNi ENFJ.
@@AnnonymousPrime-ks4uf love this!
This type is not as common as people might think, otherwise it's relatively common.
My only criticism towards them is they tend to openly hate some people, at least they are not hostile.
I guess this may well come down to being cognisant of their preferences but not being able to fully articulate why this is the case? My ESTJ mother in law happens to be lovely to everyone in fact too accommodating but I had a mentor who I think hated my guts: I think as ENFJ with a heavy TeNe convergent dip she probably didn't like it that I was independent of her support than what she wanted & that rubbed her up the wrong way. I'd notice she'd never 'burn' the slacker students but went out of her way to micro manage & monitor what I was doing when I was one of the least likely to require support due to my level of training & cognitive preferences.
Hello Harry. I was wondering if you were going to make more videos about the variations of types. I am pretty sure to be an istj, but I don’t relate much to descriptions. I seem to be more focused on my internal word…Or, I may be an infp? This is confusing for me! I hope you will consider this!
Nope. I'm definitely not an ESTJ. Not by a long shot. Not one of these signs fits me. But it was helpful to my understanding of the strengths, weaknesses, motivations, and relationships of my boss, who is the associate director of facility operations for a large university.
I am:
30% INTP
20% ENTP
20% ESTP
20% ISTP
10% feeling variants
And yes, making final decisions about anything is incredibly unnatural and stressful to me. I'm almost dead center between introversion and extroversion; I'm also almost dead center between intuition and sensing; but I'm fairly high in the prospecting department. I would just assume multiply my options to no end. Or at the very least, keep all my options open as long as humanly possible. Brainstorming is the easiest thing in the world to me. I see connections no one else does, and come up with useful ideas at home and in the workplace that no one else would, that create permanent benefits to all.
But I can't begin to do what my boss-an ESTJ-does. It would burn me out in a single day to take on her responsibilities.
Do a video on the Barnum effect.
Do 5 signs you're actual an INTJ. I would like the see what is the actual evidence to know you're this type
Differences between ENTP and ENTJ! Please!!!! Im stuck in this two haha
Seeing in various videos that you somehow connect TiNi with some INTJ stereotypes and descriptions, is it safe to conclude that the same happens with NiTi and INTP, NiFi and INFP etc?
I don't mean that there is a clear correspondence between these types but some overlap, that in reality these are the types that are closer to descriptions and stereotypes of MBTI system
@@xripkan6623 that's right! Those are auxiliary networks e.g. an ESTJ would have NeFe NiFi SeTe and SiTi auxiliaries
Interesting!
I’ve been wondering recently id Steve Jobs might’ve been an ESTJ.
He was known for his temper, his managerial abilities, as well as the fact that he was never specalised into something specific, like TeSe/TiSi.
He was more of a pathfinder, requiring his own specialists for the specific details…
I know that my explanation has been kept short, but what do you think Harry?
edit: The pseudo Mbti realm would never recognize him as that type so that’s why i’m asking
It might be the case, giving his spiritual pursuits in early life and resistant, sensitive Fi (been recognised by many people around)
I've seen vultology type him as an ENFJ but I'm as yet undecided.
How long will you be in your other side of the personality before you go back to who you really are and anchor yourself?
I think the analogies you referenced early on make sense(Since I'm an ESTJ). Though now that I think on it there are some parts I find myself scratching my head on (referring to: Ecosystemic Te chapter) Because I always self-reflect on the TeNe+ point and think to myself "That doesn't seem right for some reason". IDK why, but I've always thought in my case one of those 2 elements was introverted. Am I perhaps thrown off by elsewhere factors (EX: Astrology)?
You may well be a more ambiverted ESTJ subtype? Eg your cognition is pushed in the direction both of the ISTP & ESTJ.
@@AnyaAnnika67 I always thought a portion of the reason I'm confused to a degree is the fact that my moon sign (inner emotions) is Scorpio which is related to intuition more than sensing stereotypically speaking. Thanks very much for the extra insight.
Harry you should make a more conscious effort to increase the quality and distinctness of the Prosody of your voice (it's becoming a good quality of the videos already)
Speaking about enneagram correlation, i think that social 8 is also a good possibility for estj
yes
resist the naranjo correlationists
Will you please chat about Jung's shadow! I've been doing most of the stuff Jung talked about all my life. With out knowing.
You don’t accept donations !? I’d love to donate bc this is very valuable !!!
Jung Carl, ive been lessening to interview with him. I understand him / his words connect my dots. I see other's that think Jung is to veg. That one of my problems was he a INFJ? THE REASON I SEE INTO OTHERS FOR MY SAFETY at a young age i needed to. JUNG IS RIGHT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND OTHERS EAGO. I UNDERSTAND NOW I AN A TRUE INFJ TYPE. PS I STILL DON'T LIKE GETTING POKED IN A CRACK.
I don't know, but I don't think you're an infj because of your childhood, first of all siblings are often different types. Secondly I'm estj but I don't get easily manipulated by people even though I don't naturally read them very well, because I'm careful and try to make wise decisions regardless of what other people say I should do. Lastly keep in mind while I'm sure you're good at understanding people, INFJs often need work on Se (being observant and in the moment) and sometimes can fail to understand that people act differently based on the situation, or that people are individuals as well as being part of a group.
I would think ESTJ's are more mistyped as ENTJ because of shared extraverted thinking. I mistyped as an ENTJ. not sure why some mistype as INTJ. depends on social event I'm going to you find it in both these types less extraversion for extraverted type. Both are smart types in different ways and good leaders. leadership generally comes naturally. Not that much of a stickler for the rules depending on if the rules make sense or are there for a reason. We do relax on our own time that seems to be something people don't know about type A personality people.
Excellent video! So, is it correct ESTJ is more prone to enjoy time contingency than ENTJ? Cheers
Also I’ve noticed than N in Aux+/Opposing function gives type spiritual or even mystical slant. You’ve mentioned it in ISTJ and ESFP videos
@@courierquest5345 ESTJ is more open to flow states and ENTJ to counting seconds
Hello, are you familiar with vultology?
Worst type there is.
He speaks in too generalistic terms, which is easy for people to relate to. Like astrology. My tests say ESTJ. However, I'm somewhat skeptical of the validity of MBTI. That looks like too much wishful thinking and most people's functions are a salad, not in those boxes TeNe blabla, in which people want to evaluate them. That's why most of these evaluations seem to backfire. Someone says something about your mbti and you don't see anything useful to your life. It's just bland statements for some people to have a feeling of belonging to something. Nothing else.
@@danieldbdb I actually agree! Cognitive functions are not assigned in a hierarchy and exist simultaneously in different ways across people, which is actually spectral rather than categorical, yet categories are useful to chart a position within a sea of differences. The salad analogy is apt
I'd say with the theory becoming more grounded in SiTi (yes a tautology I know) that this kinda offsets the theory being too generalistic. Even so psychology is generalistic at least when we're looking at trends across a population as opposed to individual variants. I think you might change your mind if you accessed a typology service particularly CPT not MBTI (I have no bias here as I'm a patreon that's all); I'm not easy to impress & Harry produced some very apt insights that were far from generalistic. When we get into subtypes & network theory it becomes a heck of a lot more individualised & nuanced.
I don't care that much about having a feeling of belonging, some people do. I like it because it explains a lot about how people think, it shows that people have natural strengths and weaknesses, and it can be used for self-improvement. Each of the cognitive functions is more complicated than some people seem to think.
For example extroverted sensing (Se) is using your five senses and noticing what's happening in the moment, well that's something people do all the time but some are better at it than others. Since I use Si I still use my five senses, but I have to process something in my mind and become familiar with it to understand it. When I first hear a song I don't know the melody, I have to become familiar with it, and then I know it and can often play songs (well enough) on the piano that I haven't heard for years, using the sensory information inside my brain.
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You add alcoholism or narccisist to this type and they become monsters. I live 😢with them!
I'm not a label of any personality.
I don't think that's Harry's point at all. Indeed cognition is only one facet of our personality.
I get not being into labels, but when you understand the different personalities it explains a lot about why different people do what they do. But it doesn't put people in boxes, because two people with different personalities could still do the same thing for different reasons, for example.
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