Quote from Forza's latest update "In update 6 we made two specific changes to the FRR model. The first change was to add more examples of sideswipe collisions to the model’s training data. The second was to reduce false negatives and ensure we assign penalties to players who should have received them but weren’t. This second change had the unintended consequence of also increasing false positives by a much larger margin than anticipated, meaning, it assigned penalties to players who should not have received them. In Update 7 we have adjusted the weighting so that we expect to see false positives reduce and added more examples of sideswipes to our training data to continue to adjust the model." This video was Update 6, hence the hilarious penalties. Let's see how update 7's penalties turn out!
*The second was to reduce false negatives and ensure we assign penalties to players who should have received them but weren’t* They need to fire the entire dev team ...
He gets another 4.25 second penalty for having to turn before getting ran off the track because the guy on the inside just kept going straight , I’m never going back to forza with dumb ai penalty’s scoring like this
@@oye6124 since the game is out i have put like 2 hours into it because of this bs. They should just make every offtrack area slow you down like in Forza 4.
"Avoidable Contact" Ah yes, I should've used my mind-reading ability to see that driver was going to tomahawk cruise missile my ass. Should've dodged it without knowing about it ultra instinct style, that's on me, my bad.
I know that reckless driving style from somewhere..., yes, it must be! That CrazyJman93 can't be no other than the myth, the legend... CRAZY JIMMY himself!!!
Gran Turismo 7 is not any better in this regard. Say you're coming into a braking zone 3 cars deep, and you're the car in the middle. If the guy behind you misses his braking point and punts you, you're going straight into the guy ahead of you and punting him off. And YOU get the penalty for it...
It's better in the sense that at least the first example in this video wouldn't have been a penalty in GT7. But yeah there are also a lot of problems with GT7's penalty calculation (I wonder if wall hits in GT7 still gives you a penalty no matter how you hit it)
They do test. but they probably have around 1,000 beta testers compared to the million people who play. It gets real difficult to account for every type of bump or ram
@Venji818 the guy who tried to kill ISAD blatantly killed 2 other people within the first 45 seconds of the race and only had a 1.1 second penalty. This is just being super lazy and assuming that the faster car is always the aggressor and instigator of contact and the slower car is always on the defensive.
@@matrinezkevin11492 yeah, it is busted, and ISAD getting 4 full seconds for being slightly off track is stupid. It is, however, extremely difficult to code a fair penalty system due to motorsports case by case manual review system in real life. But yes they are lazy
That's me too. I'm hugging the corners, drafting, etc. and then some lunatic comes in and rams me. Somehow the system thinks that an "Avoidable Collision" penalty of 2.5-4.5 sec was needed after getting punted.
5:24 That was craaaaazy. You could see him mentally prepare for understeer thats how quick he dove in there. It was a beautiful full-send full-limit dive.
I would say that this is double bad, because it causes their safety rating to go up, and yours down, but we all know that Turn 10 ignores safety rating anyway.😆
That 2nd race in that yellow car, yourrear suspension is what caused you to hit the wall there, too stiff while also having too much rebound. Needs to have less dampening/compression and a little slower Rebound but also have the Rebound be a little higher than your compression rate, need it to settle faster than it compresses but not too much otherwise it still acts stiff and will still cause you to lose your rear end on bumps and turns.
I'm having this issue at the moment, if I accidently bump them I receive almost no penalty but my issue is most of them ram the hell out of me with intension to take me off the track and I receive high penalties. I assume the Dev working on the penalties hasn't ever driven a car or raced before (Possibly just a diversity Dev)
This is why I dont give a sht about realistic driving games.They are boring anyway.We have tons of realistic driving games these days.What we need is a good arcade racing games that is fun to play.
Honestly I think it would be next to impossible to tune in the penalty system to work perfectly first time. It’s something that will need a lot of tweaks over time to hit the sweet spot. To the devs credit they are at least trying to tune it in properly. Hopefully they will get the system working to at least a playable degree soon
I'll say it again: this whole FRR shenanigans could have been avoided if they adopted a pre-existing model, say, iRacing's penalty model. I know I'm generalizing the problem here, but I think it would have avoided a lot of the penalty issues we see here.
I know this race was recorded in update 6, but in a way the title actually portrays well the trouble Playground Games went into putting a new system that ends up being even more work for them as it's not really up to make it given how some players are, apart in some cases. Also, to CrazyJman93 and A2pinDinPlug that raced in that video : "may your L's be infinite, and your bitches few "
It seems the game is still considering you are crashing the other car at a very high speed, for the game you "t-boned" the other guy, honestly i don't see how they will solve this.
Most penalties you recieved in this video were honestly due to other players playin' rough and reckless but overall it was a good video. Nice work. Stay safe out there. Peace✌🏾
SAME - and it had this feature where you push down on the bonnet and the lights would turn on snd it would make revving noises. I lost it at school unfortunately 😢. Was like 13 years ago
Lol...btw try disabling ABS...will help stability when braking and trailbraking. Also, are you playing on a keyboard? I see your acceleration either 0 or max lol
Honestly, I think people driving with bumper cam have little to no situational awareness on track. I would like to see the penalty system updated to more accurate gentleman-racer rules, such as the nose of the car must be even with the driver for the overtaking driver to have right of way, etc.
The penalty system really needs some rework, maybe even change to the way GT7 does, slowing you down on the track, it's way more impactful to be slowed down on the track and going to last place them to just receive a penalty on the final score, that's why a lot of people don't care about getting penalties. There's also the gamepass factor, the game would have way less bad drivers or people who don't care about fair racing if it was a full on $70 game.
Last clip, Ford GT dude should have had more than 20 seconds of Penalties lmfao. You got 3 seconds of penalties, one you braked for to negate it but it still penalized you, the other because YOU got hit but apparently saving it instead of crashing is a bad thing. Pays to be a bad driver I guess?
Penalties are a joke I can’t even touch another car or I get a .500 penalty, but they go flying into me at 140mph taking me out of the race completely and it’s a 5 second penalty for me for being a victim….
Gotta love being a beta tester for these big AAA games on release these days. I swear I can't think of a major company that hasn't released a sh*tty bug ruined game in the past 5 or so years.
2:12 Why do you think this was deserved? He was on the right and swerved in front of you, moving under braking. I'm pretty sure this would be considered a racing incident.
Ngl with all the flaws it has (excluding all the bugs on PC because I'm a Console dude anyway) I'd still like to try it one day. I had the chance to play Forza Motorsport 4 once and even though it has much worse physics than Gran Turismo 5 It was so fun. Gran Turismo 7 Is unbeatable but I bet this game is pretty fun too.
This is exactly why I quit playing. I really want to like the game, but my last race I was dive bombed on the final chicane. 4 seconds for avoidable contact, another 4 for ignoring track limits. The torpedo finished in front of me lol. And to top it off, I saved the video to submit for review, but it failed to overwrite a previous replay. So infuriating.
16:01 You son of a... 17:10 JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA Karma 18:26 ¿Again? What a good comeback, you didn't win the last race but at least you were able to recover several positions.
Quote from Forza's latest update
"In update 6 we made two specific changes to the FRR model. The first change was to add more examples of sideswipe collisions to the model’s training data. The second was to reduce false negatives and ensure we assign penalties to players who should have received them but weren’t. This second change had the unintended consequence of also increasing false positives by a much larger margin than anticipated, meaning, it assigned penalties to players who should not have received them. In Update 7 we have adjusted the weighting so that we expect to see false positives reduce and added more examples of sideswipes to our training data to continue to adjust the model."
This video was Update 6, hence the hilarious penalties. Let's see how update 7's penalties turn out!
memed from the ground up :)
the pain ensues
A perfect word soup to describe doing jack shit.
If this video is from update 6 and not 7, then your title is a tad bit misleading.
*The second was to reduce false negatives and ensure we assign penalties to players who should have received them but weren’t*
They need to fire the entire dev team ...
4 seconds for surviving attempted vehicular slaughter
Race Stewards: "STOP RESISTING. STOP RESISTING."
Race Stewards: "STOP RESISTING. STOP RESISTING."
He gets another 4.25 second penalty for having to turn before getting ran off the track because the guy on the inside just kept going straight , I’m never going back to forza with dumb ai penalty’s scoring like this
i would have left
@@oye6124 since the game is out i have put like 2 hours into it because of this bs. They should just make every offtrack area slow you down like in Forza 4.
"Total time penalty is about a day and a half"
ISAD: breathes in the general direction of his opponents
T10: "Total time penalty is lifetime sentence"
ISAD: "WTF? I'm the victim yet I'm the one getting the penalty?".
Penalty System: "Be grateful that I didn't kick you out of any race at all".
More like: "At least I'm allowing you to play the game, fam"
Missed an opportunity to put Burnout 3 takedown sound effect
Takedown Rampage!
@@Giratina575 Psyche-Out
900 points
Boost bar goes up
*_AND I CAN FEEL YOU BREATHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING--_* 🎶🎶🎵🎵
@@darkdizzy_ and its keeeeepiiiiiiing me awake!
Recreated the Bad Boys 2 Highway scene and in a Ferrari too. 🤣🤣
"THEY THROWING CARS"
Shake ya tailfeather!!
Oh, so this is still penalty stuff from Update 6. Here’s to hoping Update 7 finally gives us a proper penalty system.
Don't hold your breath.
It won't.
You are very optimistic
Try not to get your hopes up too high, this is Turn 10 we’re talking about.
Unlikely.
I think at this point t10 main purpose of updates is to prove that everything could be worse - so don't complain.
everything can and will get worse
this is from update 6 not the new one
Nah, keep complaining. T10 needs to learn to just do better.
Nah it's just t10 doin' Microsoft things , nothing really new
4 seconds for avoiding to become an absolute smore
"Avoidable Contact". Yeah, right.
penalties are only avoidable by not playing the game lol
I actualy went back to FM7
untrue, I collided with my door yesterday and heard "total time penalty is about 3 seconds" from the eather
@@MaxwelloftheClocktower _you're the one, neo_
@@FoxtrotYouniform *confused screaming*
18:25 nice penalty system
4:20 same shi... totally legit avoidable contact penalty
1:13 The word "avoidable contact" infuriates me
"Avoidable Contact" Ah yes, I should've used my mind-reading ability to see that driver was going to tomahawk cruise missile my ass. Should've dodged it without knowing about it ultra instinct style, that's on me, my bad.
It's a phrase.
I know that reckless driving style from somewhere..., yes, it must be! That CrazyJman93 can't be no other than the myth, the legend... CRAZY JIMMY himself!!!
But where is his yellow Fiero tho
Better than slipstreamin’ jimmy
@@2Shiba He's probably undercover, given what happened in the last KOTM
Shitty penalties, shitty drivers, this game really does have the whole package wow
Gt7 is equal or worse.
@@rodrigo2silvanoobNo, forza is more shitty right now.
@@rodrigo2silvanoob even if it is worse as you say, it's doesn't mean that this game isn't bullshit
@@marcosk.r999 gt7 is literally on par with forza on how ppl play
@@rodrigo2silvanoobforza is way worse
Gran Turismo 7 is not any better in this regard. Say you're coming into a braking zone 3 cars deep, and you're the car in the middle. If the guy behind you misses his braking point and punts you, you're going straight into the guy ahead of you and punting him off. And YOU get the penalty for it...
It's better in the sense that at least the first example in this video wouldn't have been a penalty in GT7. But yeah there are also a lot of problems with GT7's penalty calculation (I wonder if wall hits in GT7 still gives you a penalty no matter how you hit it)
At least the ranking system in GT7 works. So you don't have to race against rammers when you rank up.
Mad for that penalty, but extremely happy for that first collision outcome
Are you joking! 4.50 seconds for a collision you didn’t cause?! WTF
1:05 off to a great start!
I don't get why they don't properly test stuff before releasing it...
They do test. but they probably have around 1,000 beta testers compared to the million people who play. It gets real difficult to account for every type of bump or ram
@Venji818 the guy who tried to kill ISAD blatantly killed 2 other people within the first 45 seconds of the race and only had a 1.1 second penalty. This is just being super lazy and assuming that the faster car is always the aggressor and instigator of contact and the slower car is always on the defensive.
@@matrinezkevin11492 yeah, it is busted, and ISAD getting 4 full seconds for being slightly off track is stupid. It is, however, extremely difficult to code a fair penalty system due to motorsports case by case manual review system in real life. But yes they are lazy
Because buy it anyway.
You already gave them the money so who cares about the product? Late capitalism.
These days I actually hold my breath each time it starts calculating my penalty based on it assuming there was a collision or a track cut.
That's me too. I'm hugging the corners, drafting, etc. and then some lunatic comes in and rams me. Somehow the system thinks that an "Avoidable Collision" penalty of 2.5-4.5 sec was needed after getting punted.
5:24 That was craaaaazy.
You could see him mentally prepare for understeer thats how quick he dove in there. It was a beautiful full-send full-limit dive.
I would say that this is double bad, because it causes their safety rating to go up, and yours down, but we all know that Turn 10 ignores safety rating anyway.😆
"oh you manage to survive that ram? dammit, here's 5 sec"
That 2nd race in that yellow car, yourrear suspension is what caused you to hit the wall there, too stiff while also having too much rebound. Needs to have less dampening/compression and a little slower Rebound but also have the Rebound be a little higher than your compression rate, need it to settle faster than it compresses but not too much otherwise it still acts stiff and will still cause you to lose your rear end on bumps and turns.
9:40 that was unfortunate, you hit the wall & spun, but you still finished the race! you really live up to your name.
Turd 10 updates are just a meme at this point.
They need to add gran turismo (serve penalty) sections so it slows you down to serve your penalty instead of waiting till last second
Yeah, hopefully these are fixed with update 7. Sheesh, those were rough. Would love to see you run the GT hopper sometime 🙂
It is outrageously worst than before.
The most annoying thing for me is how proud the devs look in the patch notes about this crap.
4:21 okay, im done 🤣
I'm having this issue at the moment, if I accidently bump them I receive almost no penalty but my issue is most of them ram the hell out of me with intension to take me off the track and I receive high penalties. I assume the Dev working on the penalties hasn't ever driven a car or raced before (Possibly just a diversity Dev)
17:04 Nothing is more Forza than that guy getting bullied by about 4 different cars at once, getting a 4.5 second penalty for it and saying “Thanks!”
Imagine that.. Turn 10 made it worse, again... Do they not play test this shit at ALL?
Probably not lol, I'm glad I didn't waste my money on this, imma wait until the next game if there is one lol
Buy forza horizon, better than this piece of sh%@
This is why I dont give a sht about realistic driving games.They are boring anyway.We have tons of realistic driving games these days.What we need is a good arcade racing games that is fun to play.
“You can’t feel pain from a racing game video!”
The video:
@1:05 oh my god! my man turned Forza Motorsport into Rumble Racing! 😂
Honestly I think it would be next to impossible to tune in the penalty system to work perfectly first time. It’s something that will need a lot of tweaks over time to hit the sweet spot. To the devs credit they are at least trying to tune it in properly. Hopefully they will get the system working to at least a playable degree soon
Except... the game has been out for quite a while now
Refs be like: Technical Foul. Unsportsmanlike Conduct. Flipping Cars. 4.5 seconds
1:13 my reaction: *Laughs in J. Jonah Jameson* Are you serious?
Drive on grass next to a straight for .5 seconds
Penalty system: "Yeah that's one second penalty"
It baffles me how much grip you get out of your tunes without using race tires. Mind sharing your secret?
Stiff ARBs, thickest tire width and making the car as light as possible.
I've stopped playing it until they get it sorted :(
ISAD: Survives getting rekt and keeps moving.
Track Marshalls: dIsQuAlIfIeD for RecKlEsS dIvInG!
16:30 that guy os probably a bmw driver in real life lmao
That corvette got what he asked for, and I love it ❤
I'll say it again: this whole FRR shenanigans could have been avoided if they adopted a pre-existing model, say, iRacing's penalty model. I know I'm generalizing the problem here, but I think it would have avoided a lot of the penalty issues we see here.
1:05 bro think he playing wangan 💀💀💀
9:39 woah, its your channel name! 😅😅😅
I know this race was recorded in update 6, but in a way the title actually portrays well the trouble Playground Games went into putting a new system that ends up being even more work for them as it's not really up to make it given how some players are, apart in some cases.
Also, to CrazyJman93 and A2pinDinPlug that raced in that video : "may your L's be infinite, and your bitches few "
It seems the game is still considering you are crashing the other car at a very high speed, for the game you "t-boned" the other guy, honestly i don't see how they will solve this.
I just want them to revert it back to how it was before the updates my ratings have tanked and i have no motivation to play anymore
These " avoidable contact" penalties make me wanna scream. How can the game tag the hit car with the penalty
Most penalties you recieved in this video were honestly due to other players playin' rough and reckless but overall it was a good video. Nice work. Stay safe out there. Peace✌🏾
i remember splitting 2 cars not touching either and getting a penalty
I had the exact same red Ferrari with the exact same white stripes, as a toy car in my childhood. LMAOOOOOOOOO
SAME - and it had this feature where you push down on the bonnet and the lights would turn on snd it would make revving noises. I lost it at school unfortunately 😢. Was like 13 years ago
I just started to play the game, but I'm already questioning why am I still there...
Does nobody ever realise that they’re racing against such a legend, who would be isuckatdriving/grandma driving?
2nd race is like the average RFactor2 lobby
3:19 and you can see that the instigator, crazyjman93, has a total penatly of +4.35, meaning he got a lower penalty for that collision 😂
4 seconds for avoiding to becoming a fucking smore
4 secs + 2 secs in last race for survive a literally helldive
O-M-G
Lol...btw try disabling ABS...will help stability when braking and trailbraking. Also, are you playing on a keyboard? I see your acceleration either 0 or max lol
4.5 seconds for that, what a yoke
Honestly, I think people driving with bumper cam have little to no situational awareness on track. I would like to see the penalty system updated to more accurate gentleman-racer rules, such as the nose of the car must be even with the driver for the overtaking driver to have right of way, etc.
The penalty system really needs some rework, maybe even change to the way GT7 does, slowing you down on the track, it's way more impactful to be slowed down on the track and going to last place them to just receive a penalty on the final score, that's why a lot of people don't care about getting penalties. There's also the gamepass factor, the game would have way less bad drivers or people who don't care about fair racing if it was a full on $70 game.
1:05 Plug thought this was horizon💀😭😂
The stutters are still crazy
in the new group c hopper i got rammed into the air and got a 4.5 penalty for it
closed out of the game and left my house
Hi i have a quastion, you use wheel or controller ?
Keyboard.
You play very well with the keyboard👍
good that we have a safety rating system in this game... oh wait its also "build from the ground up" :D
User manners have become better than before.
Last clip, Ford GT dude should have had more than 20 seconds of Penalties lmfao. You got 3 seconds of penalties, one you braked for to negate it but it still penalized you, the other because YOU got hit but apparently saving it instead of crashing is a bad thing. Pays to be a bad driver I guess?
Penalties are a joke I can’t even touch another car or I get a .500 penalty, but they go flying into me at 140mph taking me out of the race completely and it’s a 5 second penalty for me for being a victim….
Gotta love being a beta tester for these big AAA games on release these days. I swear I can't think of a major company that hasn't released a sh*tty bug ruined game in the past 5 or so years.
2:12 Why do you think this was deserved? He was on the right and swerved in front of you, moving under braking. I'm pretty sure this would be considered a racing incident.
I think the upcoming penalty system in the future will have 'Disqualified for nothing but innocently driving'... I'm worried!
If you are in a tangle are you supposed to wait for the tow truck?
They see me rollin, rollin
watching all the collisions in the top right you'd think this is nascar or something
I wish this game was any good, always wanted to play an up to date Motorsport game on PC
For the people who didn't play motorsport 7 that game would penalize you if someone drove behind you
Ngl with all the flaws it has (excluding all the bugs on PC because I'm a Console dude anyway) I'd still like to try it one day. I had the chance to play Forza Motorsport 4 once and even though it has much worse physics than Gran Turismo 5 It was so fun.
Gran Turismo 7 Is unbeatable but I bet this game is pretty fun too.
This is exactly why I quit playing. I really want to like the game, but my last race I was dive bombed on the final chicane. 4 seconds for avoidable contact, another 4 for ignoring track limits. The torpedo finished in front of me lol. And to top it off, I saved the video to submit for review, but it failed to overwrite a previous replay. So infuriating.
BUILD FROM THE GROUND UP! 👌
And kept being burned down to the ground...
the esprit clip would've had me HEATED
16:01 You son of a...
17:10 JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA Karma
18:26 ¿Again?
What a good comeback, you didn't win the last race but at least you were able to recover several positions.
I see the game still can't figure out you lost time going off track and penalizes you anyways.
The penalty system really needs to have a vote function
The physics of this game are atrocious
Bro had a strip weathers moment
They did the impossible... they managed to make Forza's penalty system worse
15:58 That zizomak guy 100% did that on purpose wow
No, he was being dived by the Ford GT40 who had a total penalty of 7 secs by the end of the race.
1:06 TAKEDOWN
7 seconds penalty for avoid crash 😅
"When you suck at driving"..... But still finish 3rd after starting 18th 😂
So does the new penalty system add time to your lap or do you half to serve it on the track?
Add time to your lap.
@@IsuckAtDriving smart I like that
Playing on keyboard and mouse?
is this gameplay at the lowest graphics settings or is that just what forza looks like
F430 ❤❤ my favorite Ferrari model ever
Truly a laughable penalty system as always😂