That’s was a great explanation. I do like skullcrushers though, I generally have my arms angled back more, and as I lower the weight I left my head so I can get the bar behind my head for extra stretch. I get an amazing pump in my triceps. I’ll have to try these JM presses!
Really? Now elbow pain? I get elbow pain really easily these days, it has halted my progress quite a lot because I have to change exercises. I would imagine that would create elbow pain too. You get pain with skullcrushers or no?
@@joojotin no honestly I thought the same. No idea why? Maybe it's the smith or the angle but bringing it down to the front delt/neck as per the video works a treat. Tey it & let me know how you get on.
@@christianbolger2146 update, there is zero pain with this exercise and was able to go really heavy for a tricep exercise. Thanks for commenting here I wouldnt have tried it otherwise. 🙏
@@HypertrophyCoach My bad, I didn't even realize the first 10 seconds was the JM Press. I've never seen it before and just thought you were doing close grip BP variation. Tried scrolling through the video and didn't see the cut in until I went back after your comment. Thanks for responding!
overhead exercises will fully lengthen the tricep as the long head crosses the shoulder girdle and thus the humerus needs to be in flexion to fully stretch the tricep, however some overhead extensions will have little to no torque on the triceps in the complete stretch depending on how you set them up, exercises selection and exercise execution. Cable overhead extensions and JM presses have different but equally value application to a training program
So many people at the gym don't know what thier doing. The details your giving is gold. But maybe you should give us more of a peep show in these videos. You have an awesome physique hiding under those XXXL shirts, maybe do the videos always in stingers with a mad sweaty pump. Your novice gym goers don't have a very good imagination they only see what's in front of them and especially if they looking in the fitness world, they looking to be educated but also impressed. I really hope you get more traction!!!!
What about skullcrushers when you bring the bar/dumbbells behind your head? For me that feels like the best one for my triceps since I get that stretch at the shoulder (and Brad Schoenfeld also assumed that you get the best gainz if you utilize the strech position of the muscles)
@@martieboy01 Nah French press is double handing a dumbbell behind your head. Just heard someone call it recently a power bomb? I don’t get what people are calling this shit anymore 😂
Youll get a bigger stretch on the long head of the triceps and may benefit from stretch mediated hypertrophy although the load on the triceps in this lengthened position will not be at a maximum as the torque on the tris approaches zero as you stretch, depending on how you execute your skull crushers
So according to all this info I would think a seated cable extention would create the best torque throughout entire ROM as the moment arm does not shorten and tension is constant with a cable. No?
The moment arm does shorten, it just may not shorten to zero. Despite popular belief cables cannot provide constant tension though they do give you the ability to manipulate the resistance profile. If the cable is 90 degrees to your forearm (in this case the forearm is the moment arm), torque will be at a maximum and then as the angle between your forearm and the cable decreases from 90 degrees the force on the triceps will reduce. In the case of a tricep extension, moment arm length is not the only factor that determines the change in force, Torque = Length x Force x Sine (angle). As your forearm cannot change in length, and the weight stack provides constant force with gravity, the angle between your forearm and the cable will be the only thing that will influence torque on the triceps
@@godsgiftto3arth despite dumbbells allowing you to have a neutral grip vs fully pronated on the smith? Maybe my elbows are weird, but they ache on the smith, lol
@@cyclist5000 attach straps to the smith bar that act as handles so you can maintain a neutral grip. also the higher up you lower the bar the more comfortable pronation will be i believe
ur statement that there is no torque on the shoulder isn't correct i don't think? isn't gravity resisting lifting ur upper arm back up to 90 degrees with ur body? meaning that there is around 90 degrees of torque pushing down the upper arm in the stretch position?
No because the distance between the elbow and the line of force is zero. Torque is T=Length x Force x sin(angle). In this case the length of the moment arm is zero. The will still be some front delt because the upper arm has to move but the force it experiences is a lot less than the force the triceps experience so it will be a triceps bias movement
I think that Shd work the Tricep even at the top most point, since there will be a moment arm from the elbow. Not so much as the JM but better than keeping the bar/DB in front.
@@HypertrophyCoach Im sure being on RUclips you get a lot of dick comments. However, you are also on here asking for people to subscribe, watch your videos, and follow your advice. So, sometimes you might also get comments from people that do what you are on youtube for and ask for in the beginning of every video. They follow you, and spend their time on youtube listening to you. They follow your advice, and training opinions. They appreciate your time making videos, and even state it in other videos. ( None of those comments got such a snappy response. Let alone one at all.) So, sometimes you will just get feedback/advice/constructive criticism from the people following you. Things that help them search your videos or help you with what other videos to make. Again, these are things that you ask for. You cant jump back at every comment on here that isnt exactly positive, and you get what you call “feels” about. Is it “cool” that nowhere in this video did you talk about how to do a JM press, and you made a video for people and followers on how to do a JM press? How would you have liked me to phrase the comment? “Would you please make a video on how to do a JM press?” Wouldnt that sound like a passive aggressive dick comment like “cool”? Come on, brother.. You cant talk like the youtube comment section to fight the youtube comment section. Maybe as a disclaimer I should have put again that I appreciate your time prior to the comment.
I do not understand why anyone would do this exercise if they have cables or even just dumbbells. The biomechanics are the worst you could possibly come up with , everything is inevitably more or less misaligned. Way superior alternative: take a similar ellbow position like in the jm press but standupright and have 2 cables behind you going over your shoulders/traps. I see zero benefit doing this with a barbell unless thats literally the only tool you have.
Please clarify “the biomechanics are the worst”. That’s like saying: don’t eat that cause it’s “unhealthy for you” without any actual evidence or substance.
@@HypertrophyCoach sure: unless you absolutely force your humerus super close to your ribcage, so that forearma and humerus are directly above each other, the force of the barbell is going to not be in line with the movement of the joint. In fact is almost impossible to achieve this unless you have a neutral grip aka dumbbells or maybe a football bar. So the way youre demonstarting it here, elbow movement and movement of the load are not aligned, so to compensate the humerus has to rotate. We neither want to force that super tucked position not do we want the humerus to rotate when we just want to load ellbow extension. All shit that can easily be avoided by using cables
@@kozmo7 id recommend a db tricep extension on an(not too steep) incline. So it would look similar to what hes doing here but with dumbbells and on an incline. Youll have the issue that you would need to force your humerus in a vertical positonj which then disengages the long head. But i find that its not too bad if you allow your humerus to be at an angle as long as it doesnt cause pain
@@horsiemetaldetecting5975 Wouldn’t a JM press be fine then based on the mechanics of the tricep? I’m not quite understanding how a db tricep extension with a slight incline would provide better leverages compared to a JM press let’s say where one could overload using a barbell and not worry as much about single arm stabilization I really don’t know things, trying to understand various opinions on this Thank you
You’ve come to the wrong channel. There are plenty of other people out there pointing at their muscles as the do exercises. This is a place if you actually wanna understand stuff.
Thank you so much for sharing :)
When it comes to bands are there some brands you can recommend?
Thank you so much
Mine! (The orange ones are the ones I use for this)
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JM Press is one of those exercises you find after completing a videogame. And realizing that having had this sooner would of been better and faster
Truth
I would like to see your triceps bro you are huge
That’s was a great explanation.
I do like skullcrushers though, I generally have my arms angled back more, and as I lower the weight I left my head so I can get the bar behind my head for extra stretch. I get an amazing pump in my triceps.
I’ll have to try these JM presses!
Gonna give the JM press a go tomorrow. Hope I won't get too big😉
I'm cursing you that you'll gain 10 pounds of tissue😏
Gonna be a growing experience ✊🏻
🦾😁
Feels like the channel is growing at the speed of my calves. But oh is it growing!!
Tried this today, felt good on my bad elbow. Cheers Joe!
Sweet thanks!!
Alternative title: "How to JM Press for Huge Triceps like Roelly Winklaar!"
Great video as always.
Great exercise for triceps mass & for someone that's been training 25 years with bad elbows this has literally zero elbow pain. Great explanation 👌
Really? Now elbow pain? I get elbow pain really easily these days, it has halted my progress quite a lot because I have to change exercises. I would imagine that would create elbow pain too. You get pain with skullcrushers or no?
@@joojotin no honestly I thought the same. No idea why? Maybe it's the smith or the angle but bringing it down to the front delt/neck as per the video works a treat. Tey it & let me know how you get on.
@@christianbolger2146 sounds nice I will try it tomorrow👍 this exercise might be exactly what I need if there is no pain.
@@christianbolger2146 update, there is zero pain with this exercise and was able to go really heavy for a tricep exercise. Thanks for commenting here I wouldnt have tried it otherwise. 🙏
@@joojotin that's brilliant. Told you it works. Keep it on weekly & they will grow. Good man
Ive been doing them for a few weeks now and its been great, my triceps responded very well. Great exercise
Hi I’m kozmo
You seem oddly familiar…
Love your teachings and this one would have been so much better with real exercise demos.
I don’t understand? The first 10 seconds of the video is us doing it. And cut in through the video
@@HypertrophyCoach My bad, I didn't even realize the first 10 seconds was the JM Press. I've never seen it before and just thought you were doing close grip BP variation. Tried scrolling through the video and didn't see the cut in until I went back after your comment. Thanks for responding!
I think Joe loves physics 👀,
It's nice to watch how things in Smith machine can be understood by Newton's law,thanks man.
Thanks for that insightful video! So basically, isn't a JM Press just a cg press to the neck with minimal shoulder movement?
Thanks sir for all the contents your providing on YT for free
This feels amazing on my elbows. Thanks dad
Congrats to 100k coach
This was a very detail video, I liked it, very beneficial, thank you. For sure it deserves a HUGE 👍
How should we set up on a Smith Machine that has a slight angle? With the Bar path away from your head or towards your head?
This was the exact question I came to ask as well!
You can put the bench in a slight decline relative to the angle of the smith machine
@@Ashok_._ you Are a genius!
Would you mind sharing the torque and moment arm video
Can’t wait to try these out, as always great info
Incredible and valuable information, appreciate your time to make this. Keep up with the channel. Respects from Argentina 🇦🇷
Supergood explanation and reasoning. Thanks!!
Love your videos! You’re very knowledgeable and very humble as well 🔥🔥🔥
You are very very very underrated sir.
Thank you coach
At 11:42 you say you can't train a fully lengthen Tricep. I thought that was the idea for doing overhead exercises to lengthen the Tricep.
overhead exercises will fully lengthen the tricep as the long head crosses the shoulder girdle and thus the humerus needs to be in flexion to fully stretch the tricep, however some overhead extensions will have little to no torque on the triceps in the complete stretch depending on how you set them up, exercises selection and exercise execution. Cable overhead extensions and JM presses have different but equally value application to a training program
i tried banded from the bottom last week, it's was great!👍thanks Joe!
I think your arms are getting bigger💪
Amazing video by the way 🙂
have been doing them for some weeks now.. So far so good :) thx for the explanation
Awesome video man
Would the line of force be angled on an angled smith machine?
Yes
So many people at the gym don't know what thier doing. The details your giving is gold. But maybe you should give us more of a peep show in these videos. You have an awesome physique hiding under those XXXL shirts, maybe do the videos always in stingers with a mad sweaty pump. Your novice gym goers don't have a very good imagination they only see what's in front of them and especially if they looking in the fitness world, they looking to be educated but also impressed. I really hope you get more traction!!!!
What about skullcrushers when you bring the bar/dumbbells behind your head? For me that feels like the best one for my triceps since I get that stretch at the shoulder (and Brad Schoenfeld also assumed that you get the best gainz if you utilize the strech position of the muscles)
French press right?
@@martieboy01 yeah but I actually never heard the exercise be called a French press before lol
@@martieboy01
Nah French press is double handing a dumbbell behind your head. Just heard someone call it recently a power bomb? I don’t get what people are calling this shit anymore 😂
Youll get a bigger stretch on the long head of the triceps and may benefit from stretch mediated hypertrophy although the load on the triceps in this lengthened position will not be at a maximum as the torque on the tris approaches zero as you stretch, depending on how you execute your skull crushers
Love this press
So according to all this info I would think a seated cable extention would create the best torque throughout entire ROM as the moment arm does not shorten and tension is constant with a cable. No?
The moment arm does shorten, it just may not shorten to zero. Despite popular belief cables cannot provide constant tension though they do give you the ability to manipulate the resistance profile. If the cable is 90 degrees to your forearm (in this case the forearm is the moment arm), torque will be at a maximum and then as the angle between your forearm and the cable decreases from 90 degrees the force on the triceps will reduce. In the case of a tricep extension, moment arm length is not the only factor that determines the change in force, Torque = Length x Force x Sine (angle). As your forearm cannot change in length, and the weight stack provides constant force with gravity, the angle between your forearm and the cable will be the only thing that will influence torque on the triceps
@@tomauty3318 Dense with info and knowledge. Great response Tom!
Great vid
Is it easier on the elbows doing these with dumbbells vs a smith?
From experience, seems to be easier on elbows using Smith.
Nope
@@HypertrophyCoach Even with the more neutral grip of the dumbbells vs being fully pronated on the smith?
@@godsgiftto3arth despite dumbbells allowing you to have a neutral grip vs fully pronated on the smith? Maybe my elbows are weird, but they ache on the smith, lol
@@cyclist5000 attach straps to the smith bar that act as handles so you can maintain a neutral grip. also the higher up you lower the bar the more comfortable pronation will be i believe
fuck everything i'm liking this for the "you get what you pay for so shut up".
Hey coach, I'm having some financial issues and my bank will only approve 9.5k for the whiteboard drawing. Any wiggle room on price?
thanks SIR
Holy shit I'd be too scared doing this one on my own without a spotter
Smith will help with this
Does it fit for all people or it’s like a skull crusher? Are there any variations?
may not work for everyone, variations will just be where you lower the bar to on your body
ur statement that there is no torque on the shoulder isn't correct i don't think? isn't gravity resisting lifting ur upper arm back up to 90 degrees with ur body? meaning that there is around 90 degrees of torque pushing down the upper arm in the stretch position?
No because the distance between the elbow and the line of force is zero. Torque is T=Length x Force x sin(angle). In this case the length of the moment arm is zero. The will still be some front delt because the upper arm has to move but the force it experiences is a lot less than the force the triceps experience so it will be a triceps bias movement
biceps seem to be popping
You look like Jay Cutler with a beard
And much smaller 😂
12k is a steal
Can the jm press activate the medial head ?
all heads, potentially more lateral and medial though
What if you do a skullcrusher behind your head?
I think that Shd work the Tricep even at the top most point, since there will be a moment arm from the elbow. Not so much as the JM but better than keeping the bar/DB in front.
I did complain to my mum….but she didn’t listen…..
Damnit mom
Algoo
The usual close grip puts a lot of pressure on the wrists!! Which is bad!!!!
this will too most likely
I’m subscribed only for the drawings
Funny how it's a big thing now to use powerlifting techniques for bodybuilding... we were using then a decade ago.
🤦♂️
This needs to be labeled completely different.. You dont show “how to JM press”. This is a comparison of force between different exercises.
Cool. Do a video. Label it however you want
@@HypertrophyCoach Im sure being on RUclips you get a lot of dick comments. However, you are also on here asking for people to subscribe, watch your videos, and follow your advice. So, sometimes you might also get comments from people that do what you are on youtube for and ask for in the beginning of every video. They follow you, and spend their time on youtube listening to you. They follow your advice, and training opinions. They appreciate your time making videos, and even state it in other videos. ( None of those comments got such a snappy response. Let alone one at all.) So, sometimes you will just get feedback/advice/constructive criticism from the people following you. Things that help them search your videos or help you with what other videos to make. Again, these are things that you ask for. You cant jump back at every comment on here that isnt exactly positive, and you get what you call “feels” about. Is it “cool” that nowhere in this video did you talk about how to do a JM press, and you made a video for people and followers on how to do a JM press? How would you have liked me to phrase the comment? “Would you please make a video on how to do a JM press?” Wouldnt that sound like a passive aggressive dick comment like “cool”? Come on, brother.. You cant talk like the youtube comment section to fight the youtube comment section.
Maybe as a disclaimer I should have put again that I appreciate your time prior to the comment.
Definitely would have liked seeing it by a human and not stick figure on a board. 👍🏻
Then watch the first 10 seconds of the video
I do not understand why anyone would do this exercise if they have cables or even just dumbbells.
The biomechanics are the worst you could possibly come up with , everything is inevitably more or less misaligned.
Way superior alternative: take a similar ellbow position like in the jm press but standupright and have 2 cables behind you going over your shoulders/traps.
I see zero benefit doing this with a barbell unless thats literally the only tool you have.
Please clarify “the biomechanics are the worst”. That’s like saying: don’t eat that cause it’s “unhealthy for you” without any actual evidence or substance.
@@HypertrophyCoach sure: unless you absolutely force your humerus super close to your ribcage, so that forearma and humerus are directly above each other, the force of the barbell is going to not be in line with the movement of the joint. In fact is almost impossible to achieve this unless you have a neutral grip aka dumbbells or maybe a football bar. So the way youre demonstarting it here, elbow movement and movement of the load are not aligned, so to compensate the humerus has to rotate.
We neither want to force that super tucked position not do we want the humerus to rotate when we just want to load ellbow extension.
All shit that can easily be avoided by using cables
@@horsiemetaldetecting5975
What if someone doesn’t have access to cables? What exercise would you recommend instead of this JM press?
@@kozmo7 id recommend a db tricep extension on an(not too steep) incline. So it would look similar to what hes doing here but with dumbbells and on an incline. Youll have the issue that you would need to force your humerus in a vertical positonj which then disengages the long head. But i find that its not too bad if you allow your humerus to be at an angle as long as it doesnt cause pain
@@horsiemetaldetecting5975
Wouldn’t a JM press be fine then based on the mechanics of the tricep?
I’m not quite understanding how a db tricep extension with a slight incline would provide better leverages compared to a JM press let’s say where one could overload using a barbell and not worry as much about single arm stabilization
I really don’t know things, trying to understand various opinions on this
Thank you
Someone is gonna watch this and get hurt doing these
You could say the same thing about literally every exercise. We all better not workout at all. Just to be safe.
Less talk more demonstration. Ugh.
You’ve come to the wrong channel. There are plenty of other people out there pointing at their muscles as the do exercises. This is a place if you actually wanna understand stuff.