@@HypertrophyCoach i would like advice on how big is intimidating like i want to join the police force andni notice the buffer the officer suspects are willing to cooperate .Up to what point would be deemed impressive to make suspects coopreatw when on uniform .But i don't t want to get to big till i cannot enter small spaces in an emergency Kindly advice
I can definitely see how this would sneak up on your triceps. I’ve always found that the triceps are the muscles version of that friend who agrees to help you move but doesn’t tell you that he has to abruptly leave leave 2/3 of the way through and drops your couch in the middle of the street.
Was literally just watching your skull crusher vs tricep extension videos. Your line of pull teaching actually helped me with FBD for my biomechanics class! Much love from the North!
gave these a go today after watching this video. literally measured my arms at their biggest pump ever after the workout. definitely adding this to my training
Just wanted to stop by and tell all that I tried this exercise yesterday for the first time (my triceps day). Holy guacamole!! That lone recommended 5-8 rep protocol (did 2 sets, btw) with a fixed 20-lbs E-Z bar lit up my triceps like nothing I had ever experienced before (still feeling the burn 24 hours after doing it). The only problem I had was I did not do it as my finishing exercise. Had a 4-set power bomb lined up afterward but could not keep my form in check to complete them properly. I chalk that up to pilot error. Won't. Happen. Again. Memo to all looking to add this to your tricep workout regimen: Save this Face Scrapers for last. Your arms will thank you.
The way you have been explaining stuff is awesome and so damn good to us bodybuilding nerds. I genuinely hope and wish that your channel grows massively coach. 🙌
Arthur Jones had a special Nautilus machine designed to hit the triceps with rotary resistance. The movement started in the position where your exercise ends, in the fully extended position. He knew a thing or two, even way back then.
@@HypertrophyCoach i would like advice on how big is intimidating like i want to join the police force andni notice the buffer the officer suspects are willing to cooperate .Up to what point would be deemed impressive to make suspects coopreatw when on uniform .But i don't t want to get to big till i cannot enter small spaces in an emergency Kindly advice
Big fan joe and i do a lot of your exercises. I would say i have enough tissue to refine it with some of the tips. Problem i have is i see a lot of young guys doing all if these movements in the gym now and not growing... They havent much tissue to begin with. Would you say that a lot of these movements are more for refinement and prevention than actual development of mass. Man of your integrity will know that isnt criticism.
I first did these in college and never knew what they were called so I just called them tank presses because the dude who showed me them had the nickname "tank"
This looks great from here. Is this something that should be ok with long term shoulder impingement issues? I'm 65 now and have been working out for the last 15+ years.
Skull crushers make my elbows hurt but this might be better with a lighter weight. Curious to see how this translates into my barbell overhead presses. It's pretty much the same motion just laying down...
What can I do to fix the overextend torso ? My chest comes too high and abs are weak(not able to brace properly) and lower back arches all the time. Any specific tip coach ??
Where would you put this order in while training considering I do jm presses on the smith and single arm cuff extensions as my “meat & potatoes” …would this be more of a finisher or another “meat & potato” movement?
I have been doing this exercise for years, we didn't have a name for them so we called them Janie's (she introduced this exercise to us). If done correctly, they kill!!
@3:17 bad tip here. Its mostly shoulder and minimal tricep, if any at tri at all. Even though ur anatomically in the same possition as a skullcrusher, the force vector is 90 degrees different.
Bad comment here. You’re confused. Yes the shoulder is being loaded, but “mostly shoulder and minimal triceps” is completely inaccurate. The moment arm to the elbow is the same length as the lever arm in this case (for the portion where the forearm is parallel to the ground), so elbow torque is as high as possible for a given load through the entire “pressing” phase. You could always try it too, instead of trying to sound smart in the comments.
@@HypertrophyCoach you are more knowledgeable than alot other tubers, but sometimes you stumble on your own thoughts. Ill give you an example: If you start at the top possition when your arm is fully locked out and push your elbow forward (90 degrees difference from its top possition) and let your wrist go towards your shoulder, the force vector would allign perfectly and mimic skull crusher load. From there press it up, and then let it fall behind you as you mention. This would make it more tricep and less delts due to better alignment. Your variant is ok, but it could be biased more towards triceps and less front delt.
You’re still confused. The load it pulling into shoulder flexion the whole time. Which is the concentric function of front delts. Front delts aren’t involved at all. The lats are actually the muscle being loaded eccentrically at the shoulder joint.
@@TheKbthakur bull. The waist the shoulder ratio is better on Terrence and pound for pound has more muscle and streamlined physique throughout his entire body.
@@HypertrophyCoach completely understand. I got to a plus 2 and then I just stopped I fell back in love with lifting. I love your information bro. And you and Terrence are one helluva team
@@HypertrophyCoach personal and others. I tore my tricep tendon doing numerous skull crushers. This movement is a more exaggerated skull that leaves the joint alone on an island. I enjoy most of your videos but this one should have a disclaimer that if you suffer from tricep joint paint this may not be for you. I’m not hating, but being 58 and BB for nearly 40 years you’re able to detect positions that put u in risk of an injury.
Hey, you want a surprise on that one? You can get some biceps isometric on that exact same exercise. The way that you do it is to appreciate part of what the biceps job is, which is to supinate the hand. So when you do your face-scraper by laying on your back, instead of using an EZ-bar, a barbell, or a dumbbell... instead, use a kettle-bell. Hold it such that the big-ball of mass is on the outside of your hand. The big ball of mass will want to swing down, thus turning your palm up to the ceiling... but resist it, and keep that palm in a neutral position. What is making that happen - at least through a meaningful portion of the exercise - is the effort of the biceps.
i THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD INVOLVE MORE DELTS THAN TRICEPS BUT I FOUND THE TRICEPS BRACHII TOOK MOST OF THE LOAD WHEN STANDING, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD EXERCISE TO USE THE TRICEPS THROUGH A MUCH LONGER RANGE OF MOTION?
It’s just seems like an exercise you made up just to have some unique exercise on RUclips… There’s absolutely no need for this and it’s dangerous. If people are doing this at the end of a work out and fatigue has set in they’re going to hit the bar off the bridge of their nose and break their nose.
Hate it when you grovel for clicks before I even knew if I wasted my time. 5 minutes in before you demonstrate the movement. Looks worthwhile. Thank you Don’t treat people like we are here to generate your click total. I think we are all smart enough to gauge whether you are meaningful Reduce the preamble bullshit. Stick to your process. I’ll judge how well you did I’ll check other vids of yours but I have no patience for those who give me the sales job up front no matter how good you are
@@HypertrophyCoach I did say thank you or can’t you read? Gladly by pass you no problem. Trying to be constructive and make it a better experience. Free? Cut me a break dude
If you think that feedback is “constructive” you and I have far different personal and professional experiences with “constructive” feedback. And it’s not free? How much did you pay to watch it?
@@HypertrophyCoach if you don’t want comments then shut them off. I’m entitled to comment as far as I know You offer your “free “ content only after you blatantly ask for clicks and subscribers up front? Some how you assume that to be fair Again I did say thank you but you somehow think that people who have an opinion aren’t worthy if they don’t drink your koolaid Simple…. Offer the content then ask if it was worthwhile. Let the viewer determine whether to subscribe or not or give a thumbs up. Listen I got your message loud and clear. I’m a nobody and you obviously are successful. You don’t need to waste your time on me and I won’t waste my time on your channel Take care and good luck . Thanks for the replies and stay well You seriously want people to believe that you offer free content without any chance of profit from ads , YT etc? Ain’t nobody Mother Theresa
I want comments. I just don’t want negative, disrespectful, “entitled” comments. And FYI, rolling up a “thank you” in the middle of a huge turd, kind of defeats the purpose of a thank you. And you really are confused about what the definition of “free” is. DID YOU PAY ANYTHING TO WATCH MY VIDEO. NO. Then it’s free for you. Would I like to make some money from RUclips on ads? Sure. That would be great. But whether they pay me 10 cents a video or 10 million a video, it’s just as FREE FOR YOU. And it doesn’t bother me that you’re a self-proclaimed nobody. It bothers me that your a rude dick. You talk to strangers in public like this? You go shit talk street performers as well? Tell them how to do their act better? Cause their act wasn’t good enough for what you paid? Free.
How do you only have 60k subs. I do not understand.
🤷♂️ working on it
I think I keep my shirt on too much, and yell too little
@@HypertrophyCoach maybe you’re so knowledgeable it just goes over people’s heads🤷♀️
@@HypertrophyCoach i would like advice on how big is intimidating like i want to join the police force andni notice the buffer the officer suspects are willing to cooperate .Up to what point would be deemed impressive to make suspects coopreatw when on uniform .But i don't t want to get to big till i cannot enter small spaces in an emergency
Kindly advice
@@HypertrophyCoach I am 5 10 - 11 with 17 inch arms when pump flex ,please.tell how big i need to get for suspects to coopreate
I can definitely see how this would sneak up on your triceps. I’ve always found that the triceps are the muscles version of that friend who agrees to help you move but doesn’t tell you that he has to abruptly leave leave 2/3 of the way through and drops your couch in the middle of the street.
aka the bench press lol
Great job by Terrance at the Olympia congrats.
Was literally just watching your skull crusher vs tricep extension videos. Your line of pull teaching actually helped me with FBD for my biomechanics class! Much love from the North!
gave these a go today after watching this video. literally measured my arms at their biggest pump ever after the workout. definitely adding this to my training
Just wanted to stop by and tell all that I tried this exercise yesterday for the first time (my triceps day). Holy guacamole!! That lone recommended 5-8 rep protocol (did 2 sets, btw) with a fixed 20-lbs E-Z bar lit up my triceps like nothing I had ever experienced before (still feeling the burn 24 hours after doing it). The only problem I had was I did not do it as my finishing exercise. Had a 4-set power bomb lined up afterward but could not keep my form in check to complete them properly. I chalk that up to pilot error. Won't. Happen. Again. Memo to all looking to add this to your tricep workout regimen: Save this Face Scrapers for last. Your arms will thank you.
Are you still doing this?
I might do them as the ONLY exercise for my ENTIRE Tricep Workout
One day im going to buy your lifetime app thingy. You are one of the only trainers I truly trust. Great job as always.
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The way you have been explaining stuff is awesome and so damn good to us bodybuilding nerds. I genuinely hope and wish that your channel grows massively coach. 🙌
Arthur Jones had a special Nautilus machine designed to hit the triceps with rotary resistance. The movement started in the position where your exercise ends, in the fully extended position. He knew a thing or two, even way back then.
I'll try this right away
Thanks coach
Good exercise! Going to try this today!!
I couldn’t help but notice the Ron Swanson Pyramid of Greatness hanging on your wall. 👍
Thank you. This is amazing and exactly what I was looking for.
This a semi pullover but 85-90% triceps extension/stretch. I look forward to to trying this.
Throwing this in on tricep day dude! Thanks needed something new.
This looks like a great ending excercise on triceps day
Thanks. Must try it.
Awesome video. Thanks joe
Thanks!
Great exercise!
Did this exercise in gym today great exercise! good finisher
So its a pressing movement yes? Just looks like a modified tricep dip/press or even a close grip press with a skull crusher element.
Love it, today is my push day so will give this a try
Great, never seen this one before
Almost the gironda press pull over a good one
Joe, I love these. Reminds me of the ol pullover press I saw Gaspari do in ye olden days
This is brutal, i tried it with light weight and it felt really good!
we really need a video about the exercises you think they work the long head the most
Nice exercise felt it just with arm movement will try tomorrow in gym
wondering how the scar tissue in my shoulders from impingements will like that full extension...
If it doesn’t…then stay short of full extension
@@HypertrophyCoach i would like advice on how big is intimidating like i want to join the police force andni notice the buffer the officer suspects are willing to cooperate .Up to what point would be deemed impressive to make suspects coopreatw when on uniform .But i don't t want to get to big till i cannot enter small spaces in an emergency
Kindly advice
Lmao
@@georgeliousas9857 ?
More !!!
Gonna try this! Thanks
man this guy always brings the small details on excersises , ive applied this on my training and is a superior feeling and result , thanks joe
Subscribed!! 🙌🏻
Kinda reminds me of Meadow's shoulder 6 ways
Are there any downsides to doing this with a tricep bar with a neutral grip?
Skullcrushers, face scrapers, I think I'll stick to Pushdowns, much safer.
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Big fan joe and i do a lot of your exercises. I would say i have enough tissue to refine it with some of the tips. Problem i have is i see a lot of young guys doing all if these movements in the gym now and not growing... They havent much tissue to begin with. Would you say that a lot of these movements are more for refinement and prevention than actual development of mass. Man of your integrity will know that isnt criticism.
What do you think about doing it with dumbbells?
These are great to super set with flat bench at the end!
you set a high bar for getting that like or subscribe when you ask for it before delivering any content.
These are actually pretty similar to gironda pullovers great exercise
Looks like a burner! Some biceps action in there too 👌
Looks like it's basically just a modified skull crusher
Can these be done with dumbells and a neutral grip?
I first did these in college and never knew what they were called so I just called them tank presses because the dude who showed me them had the nickname "tank"
rich gaspari did this exercise 35 years ago
My lats are getting a pump watching this
This looks great from here. Is this something that should be ok with long term shoulder impingement issues? I'm 65 now and have been working out for the last 15+ years.
Try it with just the bar, see how it feels. Impingement can be fixed with proper shoulder stretching...in my case anyway. Good luck
@@alandillon6469 Ok. I guess just see how it feels and build from there. Good to here of your recovery. Thanks Alan.
@@williewaset You're welcome sir. Just remember to warm up real good, as we get older the more we have to. Hit all heads; front, side and rear delts.
@@alandillon6469 You got that right. Too addicted to working out to heal. Working Delts maybe new too me. I'll give it a go.
Can you show this with dumbbells and no bench . On the floor.
That would be swede press. Different leverage with no full extension at bottom. Very effective in a different way.
Can't you do this standing??
Yea, but different exercise
Can u do the first with dumb bells ?
Skull crushers make my elbows hurt but this might be better with a lighter weight. Curious to see how this translates into my barbell overhead presses. It's pretty much the same motion just laying down...
Is it possible/optimal to do this with light dumbbells, or is it strictly a bar movement?
Can be done with DBs
can you do this while standing right?
Hypertrophy Coach how did Terrence do with the Mr. Olympia?
2nd place
@@the.natural.guy. Ok thanks Tim. Who got first?
Gonna try this next workout after barbell curls 💪🏽
Tried this today with shoulders and tris great movement could only do three to five reps with a 30 pound straight bar
Now, as the Olympia is over can we expect more educational content like this?
Instructions unclear, broke my nose.
What can I do to fix the overextend torso ? My chest comes too high and abs are weak(not able to brace properly) and lower back arches all the time. Any specific tip coach ??
Where would you put this order in while training considering I do jm presses on the smith and single arm cuff extensions as my “meat & potatoes” …would this be more of a finisher or another “meat & potato” movement?
Finisher. Last movement of the workout.
@@HypertrophyCoach thank you sir 🙏🏽 keep the content coming 🔥🔥
I have been doing this exercise for years, we didn't have a name for them so we called them Janie's (she introduced this exercise to us). If done correctly, they kill!!
@3:17 bad tip here. Its mostly shoulder and minimal tricep, if any at tri at all.
Even though ur anatomically in the same possition as a skullcrusher, the force vector is 90 degrees different.
Bad comment here. You’re confused. Yes the shoulder is being loaded, but “mostly shoulder and minimal triceps” is completely inaccurate. The moment arm to the elbow is the same length as the lever arm in this case (for the portion where the forearm is parallel to the ground), so elbow torque is as high as possible for a given load through the entire “pressing” phase.
You could always try it too, instead of trying to sound smart in the comments.
@@HypertrophyCoach i have. Thats why i am telling you. Its mostly shoulder at that possition.
Its bad advice.
So based on a case study of 1. Got it.
@@HypertrophyCoach you are more knowledgeable than alot other tubers, but sometimes you stumble on your own thoughts.
Ill give you an example:
If you start at the top possition when your arm is fully locked out and push your elbow forward (90 degrees difference from its top possition) and let your wrist go towards your shoulder, the force vector would allign perfectly and mimic skull crusher load.
From there press it up, and then let it fall behind you as you mention.
This would make it more tricep and less delts due to better alignment.
Your variant is ok, but it could be biased more towards triceps and less front delt.
You’re still confused. The load it pulling into shoulder flexion the whole time. Which is the concentric function of front delts. Front delts aren’t involved at all. The lats are actually the muscle being loaded eccentrically at the shoulder joint.
I remember that once you named it tricep extension thing 😂
Sounds right
Every fitness coach on RUclips unconsciously keeps their arms at 90° when speaking to pop them bi's
Subbed... looks a wonderfully painful exercise..!
I’ll try it Monday..😈x
"Face scrapers" coming from the guy with the longest beard in the industry...
Thanks captain Joe, you are so easy to understand congrats on the olimpya Terrence was superb 💪🏻
WAIT FOR KASSEM HANSONS “ WHY FACE SCRAPERS ARE BULLSHIT” VIDEO LOL 😂
You love to hear yourself talk… omg 😳
What do you think of katana extension?
You mean ninja extensions? I like them
It's Tyler from Dude Perfect
Terrence physique is more classic than bumsteads and he relatively has more developed muscle than bumstead.
Nope. Terrence physique can barely be considered classic. Let alone more classic than bumstead who is comfortably ahead.
@@TheKbthakur bull. The waist the shoulder ratio is better on Terrence and pound for pound has more muscle and streamlined physique throughout his entire body.
Thought I was the only one in the world doing skull crushers like this... Guess it's not a skull crusher haha
Woow this is pretty interesting 🤔 looks like the skull crushers have fallen to last place
i think Vince Gironda made these up
Looks like Aaron from gas monkey garage became a body builder
You any good? Those look like fairly bladed irons at first glance. Came for the information stayed for the golf clubs 😂
Was a single digit handicap for about 10 years. I’m still ok. I’ll get back at it soon when the kids are more into it.
@@HypertrophyCoach completely understand. I got to a plus 2 and then I just stopped I fell back in love with lifting. I love your information bro. And you and Terrence are one helluva team
Sorry that’s an elbow destroyer…..leaving the joint in a vulnerable position.
Based on what evidence?
@@HypertrophyCoach personal and others. I tore my tricep tendon doing numerous skull crushers. This movement is a more exaggerated skull that leaves the joint alone on an island. I enjoy most of your videos but this one should have a disclaimer that if you suffer from tricep joint paint this may not be for you. I’m not hating, but being 58 and BB for nearly 40 years you’re able to detect positions that put u in risk of an injury.
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Everyone is just making stuff up now
Hey, you want a surprise on that one? You can get some biceps isometric on that exact same exercise. The way that you do it is to appreciate part of what the biceps job is, which is to supinate the hand. So when you do your face-scraper by laying on your back, instead of using an EZ-bar, a barbell, or a dumbbell... instead, use a kettle-bell. Hold it such that the big-ball of mass is on the outside of your hand. The big ball of mass will want to swing down, thus turning your palm up to the ceiling... but resist it, and keep that palm in a neutral position. What is making that happen - at least through a meaningful portion of the exercise - is the effort of the biceps.
i THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD INVOLVE MORE DELTS THAN TRICEPS BUT I FOUND THE TRICEPS BRACHII TOOK MOST OF THE LOAD WHEN STANDING, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD EXERCISE TO USE THE TRICEPS THROUGH A MUCH LONGER RANGE OF MOTION?
All caps and you still make no sense
@@user-xs4rm1ti8f HI, I LIKE WRITING IN CAPS. WHAT DOESN`T MAKE SENSE?
elbow killer...
***no elbows were harmed in the making of this video***
6:10 until 1st Demo !?! Athlete X doesn't talk this much ?!
In terms of programming where do you like to include this? obviously when the elbows are warmed up, if it's an arm day maybe 3rd or last exercise?
Very last. 2-3 rounds tops
Dude talked about it for 5 damn minutes before he showed us.....
Go to someone else channel if you just want to watch people lift weight with no depth to content. There is plenty of that out there.
Too! fancy exercise, only good for views!
You’re! so! right!
algorithm
Too fancy, prefer the basic stuff.
Thanks for sharing
Best comment!
Would have been a 5/5 video if you cropped the video down to minutes 6-8. Visuals speak a thousand words. Great exercise but a really wordy video.
Way too much yakitty-yak. Instinct however, tells me there’s something there.
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Dude your arms r like 13.5" 🤦 why u complicating things 🤷🤦
It’s just seems like an exercise you made up just to have some unique exercise on RUclips… There’s absolutely no need for this and it’s dangerous. If people are doing this at the end of a work out and fatigue has set in they’re going to hit the bar off the bridge of their nose and break their nose.
If you break your nose by doing this exercise maybe the gym isn’t the right place for you
4:30 in time and we are still not into the literal excercise. I could not take this long explaining things to clients in person.
Don’t do it then
Where did I say to take this long to explain it to a client?
Way too slow, get on with it !!
Terrible triceps exercise don't do it will destroy your elbows and shoulders it's an awkward position waste of time and energy and effort
But tell me how you really feel about it
Hate it when you grovel for clicks before I even knew if I wasted my time. 5 minutes in before you demonstrate the movement. Looks worthwhile. Thank you
Don’t treat people like we are here to generate your click total. I think we are all smart enough to gauge whether you are meaningful
Reduce the preamble bullshit. Stick to your process. I’ll judge how well you did
I’ll check other vids of yours but I have no patience for those who give me the sales job up front no matter how good you are
Then kindly fk off. I don’t need you to bitch about how I format my free content. It’s free. You don’t have to be here.
@@HypertrophyCoach I did say thank you or can’t you read? Gladly by pass you no problem. Trying to be constructive and make it a better experience. Free? Cut me a break dude
If you think that feedback is “constructive” you and I have far different personal and professional experiences with “constructive” feedback. And it’s not free? How much did you pay to watch it?
@@HypertrophyCoach if you don’t want comments then shut them off. I’m entitled to comment as far as I know
You offer your “free “ content only after you blatantly ask for clicks and subscribers up front? Some how you assume that to be fair
Again I did say thank you but you somehow think that people who have an opinion aren’t worthy if they don’t drink your koolaid
Simple…. Offer the content then ask if it was worthwhile. Let the viewer determine whether to subscribe or not or give a thumbs up.
Listen I got your message loud and clear. I’m a nobody and you obviously are successful. You don’t need to waste your time on me and I won’t waste my time on your channel
Take care and good luck . Thanks for the replies and stay well
You seriously want people to believe that you offer free content without any chance of profit from ads , YT etc? Ain’t nobody Mother Theresa
I want comments. I just don’t want negative, disrespectful, “entitled” comments. And FYI, rolling up a “thank you” in the middle of a huge turd, kind of defeats the purpose of a thank you. And you really are confused about what the definition of “free” is. DID YOU PAY ANYTHING TO WATCH MY VIDEO. NO. Then it’s free for you. Would I like to make some money from RUclips on ads? Sure. That would be great. But whether they pay me 10 cents a video or 10 million a video, it’s just as FREE FOR YOU. And it doesn’t bother me that you’re a self-proclaimed nobody. It bothers me that your a rude dick. You talk to strangers in public like this? You go shit talk street performers as well? Tell them how to do their act better? Cause their act wasn’t good enough for what you paid? Free.
Too much talk and too little demo.
Too much commenting. Too little gratitude for free content.
@@HypertrophyCoach LOL. Fair enough, keep up the good work.
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