I love how the customer is grousing about the heat and the owner is all "wood costs money!!" Plus the crabbing about "foreign sellers" in the marketplace! Very authentic touches!
Thank you for that! It often slips over the larger ideas of the video, but these details are also based on primary sources. F.e. at some points in the 14th century, we have written evidence for Viennese bathhouse prices rising or bathhouses closing due to shortages of wood supplies. Many bathhouses also had to follow certain guidelines regarding their wood orders so there would be no shortage for other businesses. Often waterbaths were 10-15 times more expensive than steam baths procedures, because of the costs of wood for heating the water. Vienna, als many late medieval cities was also applying very strict trade rules for foreign goods coming into the city and being sold on the markets in order to protect local crafters and raise employment rates.
@@sectorgovernor My grandfather, great-grandfather, etc served in the Hungarian Army with the Hussars. Slovak horsemen were well regarded. One of my teachers, who was from Budapest, met my grandfather and they were speaking in Hungarian. When I asked what my teacher said, my grandfather told me: "Mr Wagner says that you are a very good student, but you clown around sometimes. Mind your place!"
it can be any kind, hitting the skin with it is the important part. we used just some young elm leaves, but nettles would do an additional benefit for the circulation.
I followed a link from another channel and found this most interesting! An excellent interpretation of times long ago. Thank you for making the effort.
total spannendes Video und sehr anschaulich (gerade in Verbindung bzw. Ergänzung mit den einzelnen Themen/Blogeinträgen). Als Kunsthistorikerin finde ich es auch sehr gut u. wichtig wie nah ihr versucht an den Quellen zu bleiben und keine Spekulationen als Tatsachen hinstellt oder Mythen zu verbreiten (in populären TV Formaten ist man da weniger differenziert). 👍
There's a link in the description that gives the full rundown on the video. Here's why they had a bed. "Afterwards, a resting room would have been part of the bathing day of the guest. The beds also did have another uses, bathhouses were known to host other businesses as well (wink, wink). " Kinky.
Vanessa Shimoni I agree with u but to give them some credit, that lady put ash in a bag and strained water through it to use as soap. Ash and water when mixed creates a lye ( a main ingredient in soap) that will cling to the dirt and be taken away with the water rinse. This lye was also a lot stronger then soap today (almost dangerous to the skin).
you visit the bathkeeper, prove that you are strong enough to carry a lot of waterbuckets a day and that you are a trusworthy employee that won't steal the client's belongings, agree on a meagre pay that will probably not even be enough ro rent a very shabby little room and there you go! :-D
I’m in! I’m not sure about the water bucket carrying but, I’m sure I’d gain strength as I went. As a wife and Mum, I already put in long hours with no pay, so, nothing different there ( just teasing here, I love being a wide and mum). I suppose, a danger here would be respiratory illnesses with all of the damp and that’s no fun. I think your video maybe makes it look too serene and peaceful a job of the drudgery.
@@vardastarkindler It might have been, there was certainly no metoo-movement back then, so sexual harrassement would have been the order of the day. But then again, women back then probably knew nothing else, so they may have felt alright with it. Bath maids were certainly not considered "honorable" women.
There was lots of grunting involved. The last part was confusing, why did that dude get in bed and who did he go to bed with? Was it a brothel bathhouse or something ? Lol
That is the resting room. Like in a thermal bath you have those comfy resting chairs to relax, they had beds. You did have to share them with other guests though or pay a little more for your own bed. The guy sleeping there is another guest. In less prestigious houses though, the resting beds were rented out for a little "gettogether" with the bathhouse maids :-)
I would venture it might be different for really rural peasants. I don't know for sure, but these models seemed more like tradesmen and not the very bottom of the ladder, so I think it would be different for people who were poorer than these models who had little or no money (cash) and usually just bartered with goods they produced.
there is an own form of alms in late medieval times (at least in our region), the "bathing penny". So the amount the poor person would need to go and take a bath at a public bath house.
IG 14tes Jahrhundert Ah, ok... Ich kannte es bisher nur anders herum. Also Bänder an der Bruche und Löcher in den Beinlingen. Oder halt mit nem Gürtel...
That is in reference to the picture Austrians (and other middle european people) of that time had of their eastern neighbours and that can also be found in a lot of original pictures from this area showing people of eastern cultures. Men in these cultures usually were associated with wild, dark beards and long hair. Mostly, because it is the opposite of what was in fashion in middle europe, which was blond or golden chin length, curled and trimmed hair and a smooth face or a neatly trimmed full beard.
I find it hard to accept that this is the way it was actually done. Too inefficient. Maybe more water and branch beating and steam was involved? Otherwide, easier to just go swimming in a river.
yes, there would have been a bit more steam, but that would not have been the best idea for the camera. imagine it like a modern sauna. for the pre- and the post-baths we could have used a little more water with which the bathmaid would have washed the customer, but more like in a hamam, not a full bathtub. full bathtubs would have been available on demand in most bathhouses but they would have cost 5-15 times of what the normal "productpackage" with the prebath and sauna cost due to the loads of hot water you would need.
I believe it's some kind of old German that's not spoken anymore and I can assure you that they were just as dirty as the rest of Europe. There was even a time when Badehäuser (Bath houses) were banned because they were often used for prostitution and for talking bad about God and the world (kings and such) 😂
@@ShySocialist I assure you it's not some kind of old German that's not spoken anymore. 😂 It's actually Austrian German with a Vienna accent. (Poster confirmed this on a different comment.)
you could do so much worse in industrialisation period. ore in the poverty years before the french revolution. actually there is a lot of periods and places on this planet where one would have lived way worse.
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 a lot of people during that time had parasites which was really scary. I do like the cleanliness of the medieval period for personal hygiene and using ash to clean the hair to get out sebum but still that has to be the cleanest bath house ever, lol.
Gerade sprachlich waren wir uns nicht ganz sicher, wie wir es handhaben sollen. Weil mittelhochdeutsch fällt aus, das verstehen nicht mal die Wiener bei uns. Dialekt hat den Vorteil, dass er halt eine Art Lokalbezug herstellt zu unserem Darstellungsschwerpunkt, andererseits auch ein Symbol dafür ist, wie sich auch in der Sprache und verschiedenen Begrifflichkeiten Regionalität äußert (Suknei - Sukl zum Beispiel). Und soll man zB "Achtung" sagen im Dialekt oder besser nicht, weil der mittelalterliche Mensch ein anderes Wort gesagt hat usw. Das kann schon sehr philosophisch werden. Wir haben uns dann entschlossen, dass die Verständlichkeit für den Zuschauer an erster Stelle steht.
Wow. I feel like this video kinda disrespected the finnish culture, sauna is from Finland, but it just..ughh...and i feel like you guys could have found more about this stuff before you did it...but ye know...sh*t happens
I do not see any disrespect here? We do not make any claims as to where the sauna comes from originally, maybe it did migrate from northern countries earlier, I do not know? But we definitely have proof that people in medieval Austria, Switzerland and southern Germany had a lot of public Saunas/Steambaths available in the 14th and 15th century. In poems, in archeology, in texts of the time and in original pictures. The evidence is more than clear. The procedure we show here was in fact the main way to take a bath in this region and baths in bathtubs were not very common for the common people.
it's not a short movie about sauna traditions or Finnish sauna or some sort of fancy medieval TV show. It just a demonstration how people get cleaned at the bathing houses (bath culture in the late middle ages) based on SOURCES.
Russians have the same tradition. I am here not to argue about who invented sauna. But i am rolling my eyes when they are dealing with steaming and twigs. It must've been similar to what we have in Finland and Russia now. I love this channel though. :) i never knew this steam room practice was once all over the Europe. With one exception. No sponge bath. Buckets of water over head or just jumping into some nearby lake. No lack of lakes in Finland , right? :) in central Europe water was already very limited at the moment. Big thanks for creators. You are doing a great job.
In fact, many bathhouses did offer full bathtub-baths as an additional service, but since you need a lot of wood for heating that much water, tub-baths were 5-15 times more expensive than a steambath with just a quick "rub-down" before and after and usually not affordable for simple people.
I love how the customer is grousing about the heat and the owner is all "wood costs money!!" Plus the crabbing about "foreign sellers" in the marketplace! Very authentic touches!
Thank you for that! It often slips over the larger ideas of the video, but these details are also based on primary sources. F.e. at some points in the 14th century, we have written evidence for Viennese bathhouse prices rising or bathhouses closing due to shortages of wood supplies. Many bathhouses also had to follow certain guidelines regarding their wood orders so there would be no shortage for other businesses. Often waterbaths were 10-15 times more expensive than steam baths procedures, because of the costs of wood for heating the water. Vienna, als many late medieval cities was also applying very strict trade rules for foreign goods coming into the city and being sold on the markets in order to protect local crafters and raise employment rates.
Nothing like swishing the tree branches with the boys
Thanks so much for the subtitles!
Damn, and I thought my shower had bad water pressure
LMAO
To whomever decided to make bathing a private, in-home thing... thank you!
More a matter of enabled than decided. And that would be various inventors, plumbers, and water treatment centers for many.
Damn that subtle shade thrown toward Hungarians. Brutal.
I'm hungarian
@@sectorgovernor My grandfather, great-grandfather, etc served in the Hungarian Army with the Hussars. Slovak horsemen were well regarded. One of my teachers, who was from Budapest, met my grandfather and they were speaking in Hungarian. When I asked what my teacher said, my grandfather told me: "Mr Wagner says that you are a very good student, but you clown around sometimes. Mind your place!"
@@mjarail .
What is the kind of leaves they use? Hello from Asia! I love world's ancient cultures!
it can be any kind, hitting the skin with it is the important part. we used just some young elm leaves, but nettles would do an additional benefit for the circulation.
Well the thing is, for a really good vihta, you should use hard birch leaves.
Traditionally, young branches of oak or birch were used for bathing
Mint leaves????
For the bath. :0
@Scrooge McGruel paiva, young cedar boughs are favored by females. cedar tea during childbirth in the sauna.
lol so a spa day with wine at the end
exactly. and maybe some time with the bathing maid ...
that is just another guy resting in the resting room, they would have had to share beds for their relaxing time
I followed a link from another channel and found this most interesting! An excellent interpretation of times long ago. Thank you for making the effort.
what channel?
Me too, I also found it on another channel.
@@andirichards7371 Living Anachronism for me, personally.
total spannendes Video und sehr anschaulich (gerade in Verbindung bzw. Ergänzung mit den einzelnen Themen/Blogeinträgen). Als Kunsthistorikerin finde ich es auch sehr gut u. wichtig wie nah ihr versucht an den Quellen zu bleiben und keine Spekulationen als Tatsachen hinstellt oder Mythen zu verbreiten (in populären TV Formaten ist man da weniger differenziert). 👍
This is the most accurate depiction about medieval hygiene.!
Lovely videos! Never seen this depicted this way before.
Excellent video of medieval bathing. Reminds me of Finnish sauna tradition.
Schönes Video, klasse Umsetzung und sehr interessant.
I love these larger reenactments. Do you plan on making more?
Fascinating! I don't understand the last scene though - if the guy is in a bathhouse, why does he suddenly go to bed in the bathhouse?
There's a link in the description that gives the full rundown on the video. Here's why they had a bed.
"Afterwards, a resting room would have been part of the bathing day of the guest. The beds also did have another uses, bathhouses were known to host other businesses as well (wink, wink). "
Kinky.
6:28 she wanted that blanket all to herself
Least cleansing bath I have ever seen lol not enough water just move the dirt around lol
Vanessa Shimoni I agree with u but to give them some credit, that lady put ash in a bag and strained water through it to use as soap. Ash and water when mixed creates a lye ( a main ingredient in soap) that will cling to the dirt and be taken away with the water rinse. This lye was also a lot stronger then soap today (almost dangerous to the skin).
Lol, they made fun of Hungaria too? My family always roasts me in the morning by saying I look like a Hunky.
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Would the bathing and sauna part of it actually be done in the nude so the nether regions can be cleaned, or was that done a different way?
yes, most of it would actually be done nude
I so want to be a bathmaiden now. How does one apply for the position?
you visit the bathkeeper, prove that you are strong enough to carry a lot of waterbuckets a day and that you are a trusworthy employee that won't steal the client's belongings, agree on a meagre pay that will probably not even be enough ro rent a very shabby little room and there you go! :-D
Was it dangerous for women to be bathmaidens and assist men in their bathing?
I feel like I would feel really uncomfortable 😳
I’m in! I’m not sure about the water bucket carrying but, I’m sure I’d gain strength as I went. As a wife and Mum, I already put in long hours with no pay, so, nothing different there ( just teasing here, I love being a wide and mum). I suppose, a danger here would be respiratory illnesses with all of the damp and that’s no fun. I think your video maybe makes it look too serene and peaceful a job of the drudgery.
@@vardastarkindler It might have been, there was certainly no metoo-movement back then, so sexual harrassement would have been the order of the day. But then again, women back then probably knew nothing else, so they may have felt alright with it. Bath maids were certainly not considered "honorable" women.
Where was the disco music???
Barbers Hairdressers still the same - Flatter the client!!
Were the pants worn just for the sake of making this a YT approved video? Or did they really wear underwear in the baths?
they would normally be naked ;-)
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 LOL! I kind of thought so but wasn't sure. 😊
@@riggs20 me neither since you are also not naked in the hamam. Thanks for asking!
So cool😊😊
They used much less water than us today
There was lots of grunting involved. The last part was confusing, why did that dude get in bed and who did he go to bed with? Was it a brothel bathhouse or something ? Lol
That is the resting room. Like in a thermal bath you have those comfy resting chairs to relax, they had beds. You did have to share them with other guests though or pay a little more for your own bed. The guy sleeping there is another guest. In less prestigious houses though, the resting beds were rented out for a little "gettogether" with the bathhouse maids :-)
IG 14tes Jahrhundert I’m sure things got kinky
Bathhouse or brothel, that was often the same thing…
What was the purpose of the branches? Oils?
They were supposed to activate the blood circulation and promote sweating. people still do it today when in the sauna.
The 14th Century: Wood is expensive!
2023: - looks at price of 14th Century wood - God, that's cheap wood.
How common was it for late medieval (14th century) peasants to bathe themselves? Once a week?
that should be realistic. inbetween, a daily wash with a bowl of lye and a washcloth will do.
Anatis once every 3,000 years
I would venture it might be different for really rural peasants. I don't know for sure, but these models seemed more like tradesmen and not the very bottom of the ladder, so I think it would be different for people who were poorer than these models who had little or no money (cash) and usually just bartered with goods they produced.
there is an own form of alms in late medieval times (at least in our region), the "bathing penny". So the amount the poor person would need to go and take a bath at a public bath house.
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 gibt es dazu (wie oft ärmere sich reinigten) einen blogeintrag bei euch oder eine Zusammenfassung?
I don't understand the part where the man went to bed after the bath but prior to putting on his clothes again.
we explain all the contents in the article linked in the description. but the bed is not a sleeping bed but a resting room, as in a spa today.
ahhh so its a "sexy bathhouse" if you know what i mean..... sexy time yeaaasss
Echt klasse umgesetzt!
Was ist denn das für ein Bändel innen im Beinling?
das sind die nestelbänder zum befestigen an der bruche.
von unten aus dem Fuß?
nein, das schaut nur so aus, am ende wenn ers ausfaltet sieht mans
IG 14tes Jahrhundert Ah, ok...
Ich kannte es bisher nur anders herum. Also Bänder an der Bruche und Löcher in den Beinlingen. Oder halt mit nem Gürtel...
Fantastic
Welche Sprache sprechen sie?
Deutsch im Wiener Dialekt :-)
Wow. I had no idea.
What was the reference to Hungarians about when he was trimming the beard?
That is in reference to the picture Austrians (and other middle european people) of that time had of their eastern neighbours and that can also be found in a lot of original pictures from this area showing people of eastern cultures. Men in these cultures usually were associated with wild, dark beards and long hair. Mostly, because it is the opposite of what was in fashion in middle europe, which was blond or golden chin length, curled and trimmed hair and a smooth face or a neatly trimmed full beard.
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 Yes, Hungarians had long hair, mustache and beard. Mustache was a fashion still the early 20th century
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have some "whine" ??
oops, typo, thanks for noticing!
my pleasure :-)
@@Hathorspirit well he was also whining about the lack of heat 😉
Why are they hitting themselves with the branch of leaves? Good video btw!!
to enhance the circulation in the body.
what kind of leaves did they use?
Its meant to clean your body..
Interesting.
I'm Hungarian, who was curious about this video
'You look like a hungarian'
Wtf :s
:p
I came here from the other video the uploaded told me to watch this now I regret asking washing only the face
14 century morning routine
Interessant! Und top umgesetzt. Ich hab mir nur mit der Sprache etwas schwer getan :)
zur Not gäbe es noch englische Untertitel zu aktivieren oben :-D
I don't understand the part where he gets into bed with some random person
it is a resting room, where you take a nap after the bath to relax. you usually had to share a bed with other guests though.
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 thank you
6:35
I find it hard to accept that this is the way it was actually done. Too inefficient. Maybe more water and branch beating and steam was involved? Otherwide, easier to just go swimming in a river.
yes, there would have been a bit more steam, but that would not have been the best idea for the camera. imagine it like a modern sauna. for the pre- and the post-baths we could have used a little more water with which the bathmaid would have washed the customer, but more like in a hamam, not a full bathtub. full bathtubs would have been available on demand in most bathhouses but they would have cost 5-15 times of what the normal "productpackage" with the prebath and sauna cost due to the loads of hot water you would need.
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 interesting and good to know
Is this Dutch? I think it's Dutch. Maybe German? anyway... They seem much cleaner than the rest of Europe at that time.
I believe it's some kind of old German that's not spoken anymore and I can assure you that they were just as dirty as the rest of Europe. There was even a time when Badehäuser (Bath houses) were banned because they were often used for prostitution and for talking bad about God and the world (kings and such) 😂
Medieval bathhouses exist through most of Europe at that time(476A.D.-1453A.D.).
@@ShySocialist I assure you it's not some kind of old German that's not spoken anymore. 😂
It's actually Austrian German with a Vienna accent. (Poster confirmed this on a different comment.)
I can't think of a more horrifying time to be alive.
you could do so much worse in industrialisation period. ore in the poverty years before the french revolution. actually there is a lot of periods and places on this planet where one would have lived way worse.
I would love to have lived in 8th-12th century western Europe, just not near any coastal towns.😯
@@ig14tesjahrhundert79 a lot of people during that time had parasites which was really scary. I do like the cleanliness of the medieval period for personal hygiene and using ash to clean the hair to get out sebum but still that has to be the cleanest bath house ever, lol.
als I-tüpftelreiter kann i mir ein Kommentar net verkneifen. ;-)
Rasieren erscheint mir ein Anachronismus zu sein, scheren wär besser gewesn
Gerade sprachlich waren wir uns nicht ganz sicher, wie wir es handhaben sollen. Weil mittelhochdeutsch fällt aus, das verstehen nicht mal die Wiener bei uns. Dialekt hat den Vorteil, dass er halt eine Art Lokalbezug herstellt zu unserem Darstellungsschwerpunkt, andererseits auch ein Symbol dafür ist, wie sich auch in der Sprache und verschiedenen Begrifflichkeiten Regionalität äußert (Suknei - Sukl zum Beispiel). Und soll man zB "Achtung" sagen im Dialekt oder besser nicht, weil der mittelalterliche Mensch ein anderes Wort gesagt hat usw. Das kann schon sehr philosophisch werden. Wir haben uns dann entschlossen, dass die Verständlichkeit für den Zuschauer an erster Stelle steht.
Did they always bathe with pants on? If so, they stayed dirty!
No, they were usually naked, but we cant really show this on youtube :-D
He leaves his underpants on while bathing! The smelliest parts of his body do not get washed ugh.........
@@ianryan7826 normally, he would be naked, but we didn't want to get banned from youtube 😅
Wow. I feel like this video kinda disrespected the finnish culture, sauna is from Finland, but it just..ughh...and i feel like you guys could have found more about this stuff before you did it...but ye know...sh*t happens
I do not see any disrespect here? We do not make any claims as to where the sauna comes from originally, maybe it did migrate from northern countries earlier, I do not know? But we definitely have proof that people in medieval Austria, Switzerland and southern Germany had a lot of public Saunas/Steambaths available in the 14th and 15th century. In poems, in archeology, in texts of the time and in original pictures. The evidence is more than clear. The procedure we show here was in fact the main way to take a bath in this region and baths in bathtubs were not very common for the common people.
it's not a short movie about sauna traditions or Finnish sauna or some sort of fancy medieval TV show. It just a demonstration how people get cleaned at the bathing houses (bath culture in the late middle ages) based on SOURCES.
Russians have the same tradition. I am here not to argue about who invented sauna. But i am rolling my eyes when they are dealing with steaming and twigs. It must've been similar to what we have in Finland and Russia now. I love this channel though. :) i never knew this steam room practice was once all over the Europe. With one exception. No sponge bath. Buckets of water over head or just jumping into some nearby lake. No lack of lakes in Finland , right? :) in central Europe water was already very limited at the moment.
Big thanks for creators. You are doing a great job.
In fact, many bathhouses did offer full bathtub-baths as an additional service, but since you need a lot of wood for heating that much water, tub-baths were 5-15 times more expensive than a steambath with just a quick "rub-down" before and after and usually not affordable for simple people.
I thought you Finnish people were cool.