The gods of the greek pantheon were never meant to be models of virtue. They were refelections of what was true and observed in others. So the gods can be (and often were) greedy, selfish, prideful, and arrogant. We assume they were paragons simply because of a pop culture understanding of christianity that says god = good guy.
Yeah Its interesting how modern culture associate the term God with Good. Its never been the understanding of the cultures which formed these ideas. Even followers of Yahweh, a god among the pantheon Gods of El-Elion in Canaanite History, had the understanding that their patron God, Yahweh had the ability to be cruel sometimes and feared him cus of it. But now we have sweet baby Jesus so God = Good guy 😂
Another Polites jump scare! Fun fact! Calypso doesn't realise it, but she triggers him like... three times. The open arms is the most obvious, but she also echos Eurylocus by calling him "Ody," and his mother by telling him that he'll always be in his heart. Further context. In the original Odyssey, their relationship is inherently sexual - non-consensual at that. Calypso wants Odysseus to be her husband and refuses to accept "No" for an answer, though she never succeeded. In EPIC, it's a bit different. There's no confirmation that she was anything but pushy and persistent in trying to be in a relationship with him. However, there's the added element that Calypso is also a prisoner on that island who has been stuck there for a *very* long time in total isolation (which explains why she latched onto Odysseus: he was the first and only person she had seen in centuries).
Yep, she assaults him every night, and he spends the daytime crying on the beach. Some later myths also have Calypso and Odysseus have twin sons as a result, Nausithous and Nausinous. But after Ody leaves the island, Calypso turns the boys into stone because she can't bring herself to love them anymore.
One later myth has them as the children of Calypso. Another has Latinus, but, as far as the Odyssey is concerned, no children were born of their union. Much preferred the later traditions which had Calypso kill herself or at least spend her eternity alone sobbing on the beach. I mean, in EPIC goddesses cannot die - how do you think she found that out, while being abandoned on an island since she was young?
I think she probably is aware she is triggering him. She knows about those triggers via him talking in his sleep and is just trying different things to replace the bad memories( or some other reasons, thats just my theory)
Zeus' horns are in reference to his symbolic connection to bulls (bulls and eagels being beasts associated with him). Jewish figures being depicted with horns, however, is... a translation error, which has persisted to this day as some people genuinely believe that Jews have horns.
What’s fun about god games is that the gods she needs to convince were all on the Trojan side of the war-even Zeus. This is the same war Odysseus just fought in. Now, about Apollo and his connection to the sun: I have both a technical and a historical answer. Technical Answer: Helios is the physical embodiment of the sun-a Titan who sided with Zeus. Zeus’s son Apollo guides Helios across the sky in his chariot. Historical Answer: Religions change over time, and historians studying ancient Greek religion noted that Apollo’s name doesn’t appear in the Mycenaean Greek language. This suggests that he was most likely an imported god who became popular in Greece. His cult grew, and he began to gain more domains and influence. When the Romans conquered Greece, they adopted Apollo into their pantheon. This process is called syncretism. It describes what happens when multiple religions coexist in the same region, merging aspects of each. Over time, people worshiped gods from different pantheons, and sometimes these gods even blended into hybrid deities. This is what happened with Apollo and Helios, eventually synchronizing their identities and later in the roman era he would further sychronize with Sol invictus.
One thing I find really interesting about the Romans adopting Greek mythology is that they didn’t like Odysseus because of his tricks instead of facing things head on. They pretty much had Ares view in this song (along with other things) and that’s why the Romans liked Ares a lot more than Athena since Ares has a more forward approach compared to Athena who is the god of wisdom and strategy.
@@Kirachan3 @felixhenson9926 I think this is more of a timeline question. Since Apollo was a relatively late addition to the Greek pantheon, Apollo and Helios were distinct gods at first, as we see in the Iliad and Odyssey, where both are mentioned separately. However, by the time of the Romans, Apollo had become established as the sun god. You can see this in Cicero’s Nature of the Gods from 45 BCE. So, eventually, Apollo takes on the sun god role, but the key question here isn’t really about his domain-it’s about the specific time period we're talking about.
athena is the one watching his life go down! she looked into his past to see where he wad the last 10 they hadnt seen each other!! also the seven years she said are the same seven years mentioned in the first song
Your reaction to Calypso… yeah. Seven years of her pushing him to be with her on _her island._ A goddess pushing him, no less. His final call, Odysseus’ Hail Mary is to a once friend he had a massive falling out with ten years ago. He didn’t even know if she’d answer because of that. It was a pure scream of desperation, or he’d jump. With Calypso saying back everything his dead loved ones have said- “open arms”, “I’ll stay in your heart”, and it being established earlier that he talks in his sleep, there is a fan theory that he had said those things while unconscious, and that she was using all of that to get him away from the edge. That song is absolute pain.
I said this in your last video as well but thank you for the double reaction of a song by viewing multiple animatics!! It’s extra work you aren’t required to do, but do it anyways. You have such an amazing and funny reaction to things! But I felt the same through Love In Paradise. I literally broke down crying. Jorge did an amazing job helping us feel what Ody was feeling. And the animators have done an amazing job capturing it through art! CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT REACTION ❤
Something of note of God Games; the part where the music is soft and reprising Warrior of the mind, it switches up at the end to Legendary, Telemachus' theme. To signify that she was thinking of Ody's child and her one remaining friend (afask)
I just spotted a detail in Neal's that I love, when Hera's... attendants? Nymphs? Putties? Whatever they are, when they appear behind her fanned out like a peacock tail on the line 'so many *tales* '.
Athena’s redemption arc is everything I wanted since My Goodbye. I didn’t think we’d get it, but we did, and I cannot express how happy that made me. Also, that was Telemachus she was holding. She was with Odysseus and Warrior of the Mind was playing. As soon as she held Telemachus, the tune changed to Legendary. She remembered who she was fighting for. It’s so cute. I’m also excited that you watched the version I recommend! One thing I deeply appreciate that Anni put into her animatic is Hephaestus lacking a leg. Even in mythology, he’s disabled and I adore getting to see it. We love representation 🧡 Also, I don’t know if you noticed, but as she was fighting her way to Zeus _he melted away her shield._ That’s how extra pissed he was at her using his infidelity to win Hera’s vote (“You dare to make me feel shame?!” that’s what he meant).
In case you didn't figure it out that was Athena watching Ody's memories cause she hasn't spoken to him in 10 years hence the "Odysseus Where Did You Go"
I would honestly recommend a blind listen (just audio) first then a reaction to the livestream, would produce a really dynamic reaction video hearing the imagined scenes then getting the actual visuals 😂
Haha im sure you didnt pick up on it in your watch of the first Little Wolf animatic, but at 9:07, those two characters are Mortius and Casper! The artist added them as a little easter egg hah
Have you seen Neal’s God Games? Cause you’ve gotta if you haven’t. She totally got the larger than life Zeus. And her God Games is just like top tier. The olympians actually feel like a family and the ending🥺🥺
The figure you thought was 'Judgement' was just Athena. The 'god head' is just Zeus. Helios wasn't present at God Games. Do you maybe mean the Olympians by god head? Apollo became a god of light later on when there was more Roman influence, music, archery and prophecy are his primary domains. Helios is the sun god. Hephaestus is the god of the forge, he's Vulcan in Roman mythology. He did like inventing things hence the robot i think. Also Hera was the wife of Zeus, serial rapist and constant cheater and also the goddess of marriage and the family. So yeah, that's why that argument landed lol. Also the flashback when Athena was being attacked by Zeus was Athena being introduced to Telemachus by Odysseus. You can hear the melody change from the Warrior of the Mind one to Legendary
The cool thing with the hellenic pantheon is that many gods share domains, and the sun is one of them that has many gods beyond Helios and Apollo(n). And I love the sketch someone did of the obvious that Telemachus as Prince has the right to throw people out for breaking Xenia, hospitality for the guest/stranger Edit: Greek men were famous for being unfaithful to their wives, and the animals we see them turn into (the owl and snake for Athena, and the eagle and bull for Zeus) are their sacred animals they were worshipped with. Zeus and Hera having horns is just a callback to their most identified mammal being the bull/cow
Friend your reactions always bring a smile to my face. I love watching you enjoy something I hold so dear. The end of Love in Paradise never fails to get me to tear up, the raw anguish and despair gets me everytime. God Games is a whole beast, I love both the animatics that you chose to react to. Love LOVE the depiction of Ares in Neil's, how he fights WITH Aphrodite and how we can see his and Athena's sibling energy. The ending in both where Zeus seems to understand he overreacted and Athena pleads as his daughter is sooo good. Athena is his favourite daughter, some suggest she only had to convince him (which he mentions in the initial statement for the "game" - "or Me"). For musical trivia tidbits, in We'll be Fine, Athena keeps repeating Odysseus' runs from the chorus of Warrior of the Mind (which she had stop doing since My Goodbye, which also shows us, beyond her words, how she changed her mind since the Cyclops saga), and you see Telemachus using them as he sings in that song, like father like son.
I know it's a lot of work but I'm so glad you do multiple animatics when you react, because I really feel bad pitting animatics against eachother cause all the artists work so hard and they sometimes get overshadowed 😭
The reason that The Suitors dont just seize the throne is because Penelope is still the queen, and they are in her house so they have to abide by the laws of hospitality, which were a huge deal Mycanean Greece, basically they couldnt do anything directly to Penelope for fear of her kicking them out (she *is* still the queen and they still *are* loyal citizens of Ithica) and they also dont want to start a civil war for fear of the other citizens of Ithica. There is only 108 of them and enough other Ithicans for a 600 men army to be not devastating to the island. In Love in Paradise the beginning is not an outside source looking on and judging Odyssesus' actions, though i love that thought, its Athena looking back at what shes missed while she wasnt paying attention to Ody. Also when you say the 'god heads' i think youre referring to the *big 6* children of Kronos, Hestia Hades Demeter Posideon Hera and Zeus. Also many others have pointed out the difference of Apollo and Helios, so i wont say it again but yeah Apollo is a god and Helios is a titan with Apollo not being the god of the sun till the Romans basically rebranded and recreated him.
I'll be so sad when the series is over..😔 I look forward to your reactions each time! I love how each animator puts a different spin on the story..without changing it. I appreciate the time you take to watch different versions..☺♥‼
Athena was like, Just met the Grandkid time to check out how my son is doing, meanwhile Ody about to have a mental breakdown, and then she is like, He needs me also no Apollo is not the sun god, thats Helios, who had the cows, he would have been in the song if he still had a grievance with Odyssius, but since Zeus already had punished Ody, he is chill now, also Poseidon don't appear cause he didn't file a complaint with Zeus, so he is not needed to let Ody leave
43:00 these are the gods that were kn Troy's side back when the war happened. That's why zeus chooses them. To make things difficult for Athena. They are supposed to hate greeks
I would 100% look at the livestream animatics on Jorge's channel on the livestreams. They're more closely worked through with hum personally and are much more true to his vision of events. They aren't straight through animatics like these usually, but are canon to the story so it's easier to see what Jorge envisioned. (I'm sorry but Hephaestus does not have a giant mech he can fight in, as cool as it is.)
41:16 in the actual mythology Zeus’s siblings are Poseidon Hades Hera and hestia. Some of Zeus’s children are Hermes, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, Aphrodite Apollo and Artemis. Athena‘s always been depicted as the favorite child because of her abilities and strong will, which is what makes this scene so much more impactful. Zeus basically says you’re gonna go up against almost all of your siblings and your step mother, and then me
41:05 ok, its a little complicated. There are 12 olympians: Zeus, Hera, Demeter, Poseidon, Hestia, Athena, Ares, Hermes, Apollo, Artemis, Hepheastus, Aphrodite/ the first 5 + Hades are siblings But there are other gods on olympus(but are not olympian gods): Hebe, Herakles, Psyce, Eros, Iris, Morpheus, Phanasus, Phobetor, Eras, Phobos, Deimos, the Muses, the Fates(sometimes), and some others Then there are Hades and Persephone(rulers of the underworld)or Thanatos god of death, and a lot more minor gods(gods of the sea(Triton)/of lakes/of rivers/of mountains/and nature spirits which are sometimes also gods) Also the primorial gods(Gaia, Nyx, Uranus, Pontus,...) and Titans(Chronus, Selene, Helios, Prometeus, Atlas,...) PS: some gods like Artemis and Apollo take over the "job" of other gods like Selene and Helios as god of the moon and sun/take the place of a different god like Hestia being replaced by Dionysus as the 12th olympian
the Oddyssey is based on the hellenistic version of the pantheon in wich Zeus Poseidon and Hades are brothers. in the previous Mycanean version there was no Hades as Poseidon fullfilled both of their roles as the king od the gods back then, this version of Poseidon had the epithet of "The Earthshaker" and ruled over earth, sea and the underworld as a whole, with lesser deitys taking a more direct approach, Zeus as god of the weather was lesser then, also while there was no Hades back then there was a version of Persephone "Dread Persophone" the fearsome queen of the underworld.
If I remember correctly the reason Hephestous has like a mecha for his fight, it's because he created this thing to fight against the giants or to protect an island. Or so I think the lore goes like tht
Loved your reaction. I recommend the jorge live stream for the vengeance saga. He worked closely with the animators so you get a feel for his vision. And they’re SOOO GOOD. I’m gonna be sad when this series ends.
Basic Epic timeline, Ody went to war for 10 years, then various awfulness for 3 years then stuck on the island with Kalypso for 7 years, total of 20 to this point in the musical. Love in Paradise is a flashback created by Athena to see what happened to Ody.
Helios was in this previously (in Mutiny), I believe Helios was still considered the god of the sun at this time, but he's more of a titan than an Olympian I think? As in, he essentially *is* the sun. But Apollo, while sun adjacent at this point in mythology, is more primarily music
ALSO!! I AM SO HAPPY ACTUALLY YOU WATCHED GOD GAMES TWICE, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE "IF HES WORTH THE RISK OF GOING UNDER" LINE. Most people assume Zeus kinda just lost his temper bc Athena humiliated him by winning. I've had this theory that he planned to "kill" her all along as part of his own "test", considering he names himself as one of the gods she has to convince. As much as it would be in character for Zeus to just lose it when she wins, that line really seems to indicate that intention. Also you did pick the two best god games animatics 🥰 I personally am part of the minority (?) who prefers Anniflamma's, simply because the ENDING is so much better emotionally and also logistically (Neal's depiction of the fights against the other gods is absolutely amazing, but his final fight against Zeus is slightly confusing imo, I couldn't really tell what exactly is happening in a lot of the frames.) Anniflamma sticks really close to the canon visuals which for this part are simply incredible. One can really see the power difference between Athena and Zeus much clearer and her hanging on his arm at the end for some reason hits even harder than the hug. Either way yeah uh, no one really knows where Athena is now or when/if she will reappear. Which is fun... No one tell odysseus that the one confidant who hadn't died on his watch yet also died(?) now because he called out to her and she saved him...
To help you on the matter of what gods are of what, here comes what i humbly known: The olympians are 12, at times 13. They are: Zeus (god of judgement, the sky, lightning and the heavens) Poseidon (god of ocean, earthquakes, horses and storms) Hades (god of dead, riches under the soil and underworld) Hera (goddess of Family, fertility, loyalty and tradition I think) Athena (goddess of Wisdom and Battle Strategy) Hermes (god of thieves, travelers, messangers and cunning/mischievousness) Hephaestus (god of fire and forges, made Zeus' bolt) Apollo (god of the sun, medicine, archery, poetry & music, and prophecy) Arthemis (goddess of the moon and hunt, twin to apollo) Ares (god of war and bloodshed) Aphrodite (goddess of love and beauty) Dionisius (god of wine, madness and religius fervor) And, at times either part of them or formerly: Hestia (goddess of home, hearth, and hospitality)
Yeah … Athena is kind of a fave of Zeus’s because he actually bore her. Also … Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon are brothers. The mythology goes that at the beginning, they drew lots. Zeus got the heavens, Poseidon got the waters, and Hades got the Underworld. Zeus, as always, cheated.
Apollo was only the god of the sun to the Romans to the Greeks Apollo was God of music and just as highly ranked they believed Helios was the god of the sun
Also on the note of Romans versus Greeks Romans considered Odysseus a coward their attitude is very much reflected in Aries's verse here where the Greeks considered him a hero
WOO ONE MORE SAGA TO GO.... Although that's really sad actually... Well, the final saga isn't out yet, so it's just for now. There aren't many animatics out yet for the Vengeance saga but for the next song (Not Sorry for Loving You)... I actually animated that song myself! Everyone feel free to watch and verify whether my animatic is worth recommending, but I'll recommend it anyway because i am proud of how it turned out and I just wanna say please feel free to watch it for your next epic video :)) For Dangerous I like Irunaki xd the most currently For Charybdis there is only one full animatic for now, by Lemonpoet For get in the water i liked HAH studios And for 600 strike caramelmsy Then again, new animatics are dropping almost daily so this list may change soon. If you want I could come back and reply again to this comment if a really good animatic for one of these drops sometime soon 😊 I am keeping an eye out as I'm updating my playlist constantly :)) WHAT A RIDE THIS MUSICAL IS 🥰🫶
Okay so I'm changing my recommendation for Get In The Water to MessyMoonMess' version that just dropped because it is simply elite.... And for 600 Strike Duvetbox! The rest so far are the same
dudeee thank you so much for reacting to my video!! your reaction was super fun and youre so nice :'') 💕 (ps. sorry for the tears !!)
You’re most welcome 🙏🏾 You’re amazing with your animatics!
The scream at the end of Love in Paradise is Jorge's best vocal performance in the musical. It never fails to make me shed a tear.
Agreed
This and the end of 600 strike
The gods of the greek pantheon were never meant to be models of virtue. They were refelections of what was true and observed in others. So the gods can be (and often were) greedy, selfish, prideful, and arrogant. We assume they were paragons simply because of a pop culture understanding of christianity that says god = good guy.
Yeah Its interesting how modern culture associate the term God with Good. Its never been the understanding of the cultures which formed these ideas. Even followers of Yahweh, a god among the pantheon Gods of El-Elion in Canaanite History, had the understanding that their patron God, Yahweh had the ability to be cruel sometimes and feared him cus of it. But now we have sweet baby Jesus so God = Good guy 😂
Someone who is acknowledging the same good truth as overly sarcastic productions. Awesome!
@@shinraset Overly sarcastic productions is everyone's gateway drug into Epic and Hadestown lol
Ah yes, Trauma: the Musical, The Trauma Saga! Hope you have recovered! Also, you need to see Casper's Hades fan song for God Games
Did u see Casper and Mortius in this? 11:13 this is the second time. Love the “if you know you know” cameo of them 😂
Another Polites jump scare! Fun fact! Calypso doesn't realise it, but she triggers him like... three times. The open arms is the most obvious, but she also echos Eurylocus by calling him "Ody," and his mother by telling him that he'll always be in his heart.
Further context. In the original Odyssey, their relationship is inherently sexual - non-consensual at that. Calypso wants Odysseus to be her husband and refuses to accept "No" for an answer, though she never succeeded.
In EPIC, it's a bit different. There's no confirmation that she was anything but pushy and persistent in trying to be in a relationship with him. However, there's the added element that Calypso is also a prisoner on that island who has been stuck there for a *very* long time in total isolation (which explains why she latched onto Odysseus: he was the first and only person she had seen in centuries).
Yep, she assaults him every night, and he spends the daytime crying on the beach. Some later myths also have Calypso and Odysseus have twin sons as a result, Nausithous and Nausinous. But after Ody leaves the island, Calypso turns the boys into stone because she can't bring herself to love them anymore.
One later myth has them as the children of Calypso. Another has Latinus, but, as far as the Odyssey is concerned, no children were born of their union.
Much preferred the later traditions which had Calypso kill herself or at least spend her eternity alone sobbing on the beach. I mean, in EPIC goddesses cannot die - how do you think she found that out, while being abandoned on an island since she was young?
I think she probably is aware she is triggering him. She knows about those triggers via him talking in his sleep and is just trying different things to replace the bad memories( or some other reasons, thats just my theory)
@mielliot13 Your theory needs motive, and she doesn't have any. She doesn't want him to jump because then she's alone again.
"boy, sit down" 😂 accurate
Zeus' horns are in reference to his symbolic connection to bulls (bulls and eagels being beasts associated with him). Jewish figures being depicted with horns, however, is... a translation error, which has persisted to this day as some people genuinely believe that Jews have horns.
holy shit rly? ugh...
What
ngl, at first I thought it was a reference to Zeus-Ammon
What’s fun about god games is that the gods she needs to convince were all on the Trojan side of the war-even Zeus. This is the same war Odysseus just fought in.
Now, about Apollo and his connection to the sun: I have both a technical and a historical answer.
Technical Answer: Helios is the physical embodiment of the sun-a Titan who sided with Zeus. Zeus’s son Apollo guides Helios across the sky in his chariot.
Historical Answer: Religions change over time, and historians studying ancient Greek religion noted that Apollo’s name doesn’t appear in the Mycenaean Greek language. This suggests that he was most likely an imported god who became popular in Greece. His cult grew, and he began to gain more domains and influence. When the Romans conquered Greece, they adopted Apollo into their pantheon.
This process is called syncretism. It describes what happens when multiple religions coexist in the same region, merging aspects of each. Over time, people worshiped gods from different pantheons, and sometimes these gods even blended into hybrid deities. This is what happened with Apollo and Helios, eventually synchronizing their identities and later in the roman era he would further sychronize with Sol invictus.
THANK YOU. FINALLY. I have been tryna tell ppl this but this fanbase seems deadset on INSISTING Apollo is a sun god.
Thanks for that explanation. It can be confusing the link between Helios and Apollo
@@felixhenson9926I mean he is A sun god, just not THE sun god.
One thing I find really interesting about the Romans adopting Greek mythology is that they didn’t like Odysseus because of his tricks instead of facing things head on. They pretty much had Ares view in this song (along with other things) and that’s why the Romans liked Ares a lot more than Athena since Ares has a more forward approach compared to Athena who is the god of wisdom and strategy.
@@Kirachan3 @felixhenson9926 I think this is more of a timeline question. Since Apollo was a relatively late addition to the Greek pantheon, Apollo and Helios were distinct gods at first, as we see in the Iliad and Odyssey, where both are mentioned separately.
However, by the time of the Romans, Apollo had become established as the sun god. You can see this in Cicero’s Nature of the Gods from 45 BCE. So, eventually, Apollo takes on the sun god role, but the key question here isn’t really about his domain-it’s about the specific time period we're talking about.
athena is the one watching his life go down! she looked into his past to see where he wad the last 10 they hadnt seen each other!! also the seven years she said are the same seven years mentioned in the first song
"He's never cheated on his wife"
Zues: And I took that personally.
Neal's Aphrodite and Ares felt like an Elden Ring boss and they are PEAK
Your reaction to Calypso… yeah. Seven years of her pushing him to be with her on _her island._ A goddess pushing him, no less. His final call, Odysseus’ Hail Mary is to a once friend he had a massive falling out with ten years ago. He didn’t even know if she’d answer because of that. It was a pure scream of desperation, or he’d jump.
With Calypso saying back everything his dead loved ones have said- “open arms”, “I’ll stay in your heart”, and it being established earlier that he talks in his sleep, there is a fan theory that he had said those things while unconscious, and that she was using all of that to get him away from the edge.
That song is absolute pain.
I said this in your last video as well but thank you for the double reaction of a song by viewing multiple animatics!! It’s extra work you aren’t required to do, but do it anyways. You have such an amazing and funny reaction to things! But I felt the same through Love In Paradise. I literally broke down crying. Jorge did an amazing job helping us feel what Ody was feeling. And the animators have done an amazing job capturing it through art! CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT REACTION ❤
Thank you for the appreciation and extra support ☺️❤️‼️
Thank you ☺️
Something of note of God Games; the part where the music is soft and reprising Warrior of the mind, it switches up at the end to Legendary, Telemachus' theme. To signify that she was thinking of Ody's child and her one remaining friend (afask)
I just spotted a detail in Neal's that I love, when Hera's... attendants? Nymphs? Putties? Whatever they are, when they appear behind her fanned out like a peacock tail on the line 'so many *tales* '.
Athena’s redemption arc is everything I wanted since My Goodbye. I didn’t think we’d get it, but we did, and I cannot express how happy that made me. Also, that was Telemachus she was holding. She was with Odysseus and Warrior of the Mind was playing. As soon as she held Telemachus, the tune changed to Legendary. She remembered who she was fighting for. It’s so cute.
I’m also excited that you watched the version I recommend! One thing I deeply appreciate that Anni put into her animatic is Hephaestus lacking a leg. Even in mythology, he’s disabled and I adore getting to see it. We love representation 🧡 Also, I don’t know if you noticed, but as she was fighting her way to Zeus _he melted away her shield._ That’s how extra pissed he was at her using his infidelity to win Hera’s vote (“You dare to make me feel shame?!” that’s what he meant).
In case you didn't figure it out that was Athena watching Ody's memories cause she hasn't spoken to him in 10 years hence the "Odysseus Where Did You Go"
For the vengeance saga, I highly recommend you check out the livestream visuals for Charybdis and 600th strike ❤
I would honestly recommend a blind listen (just audio) first then a reaction to the livestream, would produce a really dynamic reaction video hearing the imagined scenes then getting the actual visuals 😂
@ 600th strike would be confusing without the visuals and honestly might ruin the « first time » reaction experience if he does audio only first
Also Hephaestus is played by jorge’s dad
Haha im sure you didnt pick up on it in your watch of the first Little Wolf animatic, but at 9:07, those two characters are Mortius and Casper! The artist added them as a little easter egg hah
it's awesome that you are reacting to multiple animatics! loved your reaction as always :D
Have you seen Neal’s God Games? Cause you’ve gotta if you haven’t. She totally got the larger than life Zeus. And her God Games is just like top tier. The olympians actually feel like a family and the ending🥺🥺
yup polites coming back really opened the floodgates 😢
The figure you thought was 'Judgement' was just Athena. The 'god head' is just Zeus. Helios wasn't present at God Games. Do you maybe mean the Olympians by god head? Apollo became a god of light later on when there was more Roman influence, music, archery and prophecy are his primary domains. Helios is the sun god. Hephaestus is the god of the forge, he's Vulcan in Roman mythology. He did like inventing things hence the robot i think. Also Hera was the wife of Zeus, serial rapist and constant cheater and also the goddess of marriage and the family. So yeah, that's why that argument landed lol. Also the flashback when Athena was being attacked by Zeus was Athena being introduced to Telemachus by Odysseus. You can hear the melody change from the Warrior of the Mind one to Legendary
6:20 right here it seems like you joined the chorus of suitors XD
The cool thing with the hellenic pantheon is that many gods share domains, and the sun is one of them that has many gods beyond Helios and Apollo(n). And I love the sketch someone did of the obvious that Telemachus as Prince has the right to throw people out for breaking Xenia, hospitality for the guest/stranger
Edit: Greek men were famous for being unfaithful to their wives, and the animals we see them turn into (the owl and snake for Athena, and the eagle and bull for Zeus) are their sacred animals they were worshipped with. Zeus and Hera having horns is just a callback to their most identified mammal being the bull/cow
Posieden is zeus brother and so is hades. And hera is his sister. And his wife 😂
Typical 😂😂
Friend your reactions always bring a smile to my face. I love watching you enjoy something I hold so dear.
The end of Love in Paradise never fails to get me to tear up, the raw anguish and despair gets me everytime.
God Games is a whole beast, I love both the animatics that you chose to react to. Love LOVE the depiction of Ares in Neil's, how he fights WITH Aphrodite and how we can see his and Athena's sibling energy.
The ending in both where Zeus seems to understand he overreacted and Athena pleads as his daughter is sooo good. Athena is his favourite daughter, some suggest she only had to convince him (which he mentions in the initial statement for the "game" - "or Me").
For musical trivia tidbits, in We'll be Fine, Athena keeps repeating Odysseus' runs from the chorus of Warrior of the Mind (which she had stop doing since My Goodbye, which also shows us, beyond her words, how she changed her mind since the Cyclops saga), and you see Telemachus using them as he sings in that song, like father like son.
I know it's a lot of work but I'm so glad you do multiple animatics when you react, because I really feel bad pitting animatics against eachother cause all the artists work so hard and they sometimes get overshadowed 😭
The reason that The Suitors dont just seize the throne is because Penelope is still the queen, and they are in her house so they have to abide by the laws of hospitality, which were a huge deal Mycanean Greece, basically they couldnt do anything directly to Penelope for fear of her kicking them out (she *is* still the queen and they still *are* loyal citizens of Ithica) and they also dont want to start a civil war for fear of the other citizens of Ithica. There is only 108 of them and enough other Ithicans for a 600 men army to be not devastating to the island.
In Love in Paradise the beginning is not an outside source looking on and judging Odyssesus' actions, though i love that thought, its Athena looking back at what shes missed while she wasnt paying attention to Ody.
Also when you say the 'god heads' i think youre referring to the *big 6* children of Kronos, Hestia Hades Demeter Posideon Hera and Zeus. Also many others have pointed out the difference of Apollo and Helios, so i wont say it again but yeah Apollo is a god and Helios is a titan with Apollo not being the god of the sun till the Romans basically rebranded and recreated him.
52:00 Hera is also the goddess of marital fidelity which, combined with Zeus' antics, makes the argument perfect for her.
There is no shame in tears - pretty sure that scene from the end of 'Love In Paradise' got all of us. It definitely got me in any case
When he said, 😢 😭, we all felt that
I'll be so sad when the series is over..😔 I look forward to your reactions each time! I love how each animator puts a different spin on the story..without changing it. I appreciate the time you take to watch different versions..☺♥‼
"I'm tired"
Yeah I feel that way too when we get hit with Polites again
SO GLAD YOU REACTED TO MULTIPLE ANIMATICS AGAIN!
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Jorge did a live stream of all his sagas leading up to the vengeance saga
Athena was like, Just met the Grandkid time to check out how my son is doing, meanwhile Ody about to have a mental breakdown, and then she is like, He needs me
also no Apollo is not the sun god, thats Helios, who had the cows, he would have been in the song if he still had a grievance with Odyssius, but since Zeus already had punished Ody, he is chill now, also Poseidon don't appear cause he didn't file a complaint with Zeus, so he is not needed to let Ody leave
Tbf Apollo would eventually be worshipped as the god of the sun
@@Fpwc2 yeah sure, I meant just for the Muscial and setting but fair
43:00 these are the gods that were kn Troy's side back when the war happened. That's why zeus chooses them. To make things difficult for Athena. They are supposed to hate greeks
Yep... i cry everytime...
I would 100% look at the livestream animatics on Jorge's channel on the livestreams. They're more closely worked through with hum personally and are much more true to his vision of events. They aren't straight through animatics like these usually, but are canon to the story so it's easier to see what Jorge envisioned. (I'm sorry but Hephaestus does not have a giant mech he can fight in, as cool as it is.)
I thought the giant mech was cool haha 😂
41:16 in the actual mythology Zeus’s siblings are Poseidon Hades Hera and hestia. Some of Zeus’s children are Hermes, Hephaestus, Athena, Ares, Aphrodite Apollo and Artemis. Athena‘s always been depicted as the favorite child because of her abilities and strong will, which is what makes this scene so much more impactful. Zeus basically says you’re gonna go up against almost all of your siblings and your step mother, and then me
10:30, love the fact that the first thing you said is the book and the second the musical 😍
41:05 ok, its a little complicated. There are 12 olympians: Zeus, Hera, Demeter, Poseidon, Hestia, Athena, Ares, Hermes, Apollo, Artemis, Hepheastus, Aphrodite/ the first 5 + Hades are siblings
But there are other gods on olympus(but are not olympian gods): Hebe, Herakles, Psyce, Eros, Iris, Morpheus, Phanasus, Phobetor, Eras, Phobos, Deimos, the Muses, the Fates(sometimes), and some others
Then there are Hades and Persephone(rulers of the underworld)or Thanatos god of death,
and a lot more minor gods(gods of the sea(Triton)/of lakes/of rivers/of mountains/and nature spirits which are sometimes also gods)
Also the primorial gods(Gaia, Nyx, Uranus, Pontus,...) and Titans(Chronus, Selene, Helios, Prometeus, Atlas,...)
PS: some gods like Artemis and Apollo take over the "job" of other gods like Selene and Helios as god of the moon and sun/take the place of a different god like Hestia being replaced by Dionysus as the 12th olympian
Check out all EPIC! The Musical Animatics reactions 😊 :
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the Oddyssey is based on the hellenistic version of the pantheon in wich Zeus Poseidon and Hades are brothers.
in the previous Mycanean version there was no Hades as Poseidon fullfilled both of their roles as the king od the gods back then, this version of Poseidon had the epithet of "The Earthshaker" and ruled over earth, sea and the underworld as a whole, with lesser deitys taking a more direct approach, Zeus as god of the weather was lesser then, also while there was no Hades back then there was a version of Persephone "Dread Persophone" the fearsome queen of the underworld.
If I remember correctly the reason Hephestous has like a mecha for his fight, it's because he created this thing to fight against the giants or to protect an island. Or so I think the lore goes like tht
Loved your reaction. I recommend the jorge live stream for the vengeance saga. He worked closely with the animators so you get a feel for his vision. And they’re SOOO GOOD. I’m gonna be sad when this series ends.
36:40 we feel you man 😢
she said a reason and she gave one
The Gods that Athena faces where those that supported the Trojans in the Trojan war.
Basic Epic timeline, Ody went to war for 10 years, then various awfulness for 3 years then stuck on the island with Kalypso for 7 years, total of 20 to this point in the musical. Love in Paradise is a flashback created by Athena to see what happened to Ody.
2:48 - That bit of Athena's motif under 'give me a sign' is the first clue that she's watching.
Calypso is so desperate to keep the only connection shes ever known, she doesnt hear what hes truly saying to her either.
greek deities have multiple name, Helios Apollo, Pallas Athena, etc, it also depends on the authors
Helios was not one of Apollo's epithets, he is an entirely different god. Agyieus was, tho.
@@felixhenson9926 Mbmb, meant Phobos Apollo, Helios is Selene and Aeolus' brother
Neal goddamn illustrator man
my favorite little wolf animation is duvet box
i think the gods sumoned to judge were on the trojan side of the war, the side that lost due to odys isea of the horse
Great reaction 🔥
Hades Zues and Poisedon are brothers. the Olympian pantheon is 12 gods, several descended from zues.
Helios was in this previously (in Mutiny), I believe Helios was still considered the god of the sun at this time, but he's more of a titan than an Olympian I think? As in, he essentially *is* the sun. But Apollo, while sun adjacent at this point in mythology, is more primarily music
ALSO!! I AM SO HAPPY ACTUALLY YOU WATCHED GOD GAMES TWICE, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE "IF HES WORTH THE RISK OF GOING UNDER" LINE.
Most people assume Zeus kinda just lost his temper bc Athena humiliated him by winning. I've had this theory that he planned to "kill" her all along as part of his own "test", considering he names himself as one of the gods she has to convince. As much as it would be in character for Zeus to just lose it when she wins, that line really seems to indicate that intention.
Also you did pick the two best god games animatics 🥰 I personally am part of the minority (?) who prefers Anniflamma's, simply because the ENDING is so much better emotionally and also logistically (Neal's depiction of the fights against the other gods is absolutely amazing, but his final fight against Zeus is slightly confusing imo, I couldn't really tell what exactly is happening in a lot of the frames.)
Anniflamma sticks really close to the canon visuals which for this part are simply incredible. One can really see the power difference between Athena and Zeus much clearer and her hanging on his arm at the end for some reason hits even harder than the hug.
Either way yeah uh, no one really knows where Athena is now or when/if she will reappear. Which is fun... No one tell odysseus that the one confidant who hadn't died on his watch yet also died(?) now because he called out to her and she saved him...
you should also watch Jorge live version with their animatics as they are really good
To help you on the matter of what gods are of what, here comes what i humbly known: The olympians are 12, at times 13. They are:
Zeus (god of judgement, the sky, lightning and the heavens)
Poseidon (god of ocean, earthquakes, horses and storms)
Hades (god of dead, riches under the soil and underworld)
Hera (goddess of Family, fertility, loyalty and tradition I think)
Athena (goddess of Wisdom and Battle Strategy)
Hermes (god of thieves, travelers, messangers and cunning/mischievousness)
Hephaestus (god of fire and forges, made Zeus' bolt)
Apollo (god of the sun, medicine, archery, poetry & music, and prophecy)
Arthemis (goddess of the moon and hunt, twin to apollo)
Ares (god of war and bloodshed)
Aphrodite (goddess of love and beauty)
Dionisius (god of wine, madness and religius fervor)
And, at times either part of them or formerly:
Hestia (goddess of home, hearth, and hospitality)
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ONEPIECE(ending song）／BE:FIRST(sailing)
Thank you 🤗‼️
You're so kind ♥♥
apollo is the god of lyre and song
I prefer NEAL ILLUSTRATOR's God Games.
Apollo is god of the Sun here Helios is
Yeah … Athena is kind of a fave of Zeus’s because he actually bore her.
Also … Zeus, Hades, and Poseidon are brothers. The mythology goes that at the beginning, they drew lots. Zeus got the heavens, Poseidon got the waters, and Hades got the Underworld.
Zeus, as always, cheated.
She made him feel shame by bringing up the cheating
Apollo was only the god of the sun to the Romans to the Greeks Apollo was God of music and just as highly ranked they believed Helios was the god of the sun
Also on the note of Romans versus Greeks Romans considered Odysseus a coward their attitude is very much reflected in Aries's verse here where the Greeks considered him a hero
If you wanna do Vengeance with animatics, these are my faves so far
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Its the Athena! For me. Every. Single. Time.
WOO ONE MORE SAGA TO GO.... Although that's really sad actually...
Well, the final saga isn't out yet, so it's just for now.
There aren't many animatics out yet for the Vengeance saga but for the next song (Not Sorry for Loving You)... I actually animated that song myself! Everyone feel free to watch and verify whether my animatic is worth recommending, but I'll recommend it anyway because i am proud of how it turned out and I just wanna say please feel free to watch it for your next epic video :))
For Dangerous I like Irunaki xd the most currently
For Charybdis there is only one full animatic for now, by Lemonpoet
For get in the water i liked HAH studios
And for 600 strike caramelmsy
Then again, new animatics are dropping almost daily so this list may change soon.
If you want I could come back and reply again to this comment if a really good animatic for one of these drops sometime soon 😊 I am keeping an eye out as I'm updating my playlist constantly :))
WHAT A RIDE THIS MUSICAL IS 🥰🫶
Okay so I'm changing my recommendation for Get In The Water to MessyMoonMess' version that just dropped because it is simply elite.... And for 600 Strike Duvetbox! The rest so far are the same