Lots of negative comments here but as an experienced m+ player and currently 2700 io myself so having had a pretty extensive look at the currenty higher end of things without being in the hyper competitive scene this is relatively correct. Most specs are quite in line but a lot of specs are being taken moreso for utility than anything because of the damage profiles being flexible. obviously there is always going to be a meta at the highest level but GENERALLY everything is competent this season and theres a few that i would personally say stand out only because they are higher, generally, on output without a high skill requirement and still bring great utility/buffs etc. (ie. FDK, Mage, Warlock, Shaman, Ret) If were speaking to the tier list from a +9 - +11 key scene Id say this is pretty spot on.
Ret Paladin is top of S, arguably on par with Frost DK. Ret’s full damage profile is within a 30-second window often getting two full bursts within one big trash pack in higher keys. Frost DK requires some context because it’s definitely one of the best, it’s not as good as the logs lead you to believe. The top logs are a result of massive pulls within their 2-minute Breath window + empowered by an Aug Evoker. This will be relevant to less than 5% of the player base that isn’t doing organized high keys with an Aug. Plus, Ret can literally save keys with their burst passive healing, full heal, shields and variety of utility. You will see more consistently high overall damage for Rets regardless of ilvl because it’s easy and Herald of Light carries your damage.
@@Ken-xr2xp Herald of the Sun is just designed very well for mythic dungeons. You play double on-use trinkets for mastery and you essentially with Ashes and Execution Sentence + a trinket for every big trash pull. If you nerf Ret’s AoE, you essentially brick the spec and the only thing they’re good at because single target is pretty bad.
@@timtech9361 With execution sentence and the Queen’s Mandate trinket, you can do some decent single target, I tend to rotate in the Queen trinket right before every dungeon boss to instant kill prio adds and get one big hit when the boss is in execute range.
@@timtech9361 0 prio damage when you are cluless, or never played ret and just assume based on some rets in low keys, so far no one beat me in meter in any key, currently 12s timed keys, yes on every 4th pull dk will beat me a bit, but I am doing 5m+ every pull, st over a million every time, overall beating them all with or without aug, ret will be even more cracked tomorrow after templar buffs, but clueless people will always be ret is trash and still be beaten by them :)
Dude put enh ele and ret paladin in b tier. While they're literally gapping so many other classes I've pugging 11s ATM and if this is your tier list you're probably doing 5s and haven't actually seen good players @@Saphyrz
@@lohuune9627 Do you know what is even more funnier, people were trash talking about ret since the day 1, putting it in c-tier, they were like oh yeah they are good in hc dungeons, wait for raid and mythic dungeons, then ret blasted there too, people were like ahh wait for m+ they will be deleted by other specs, now ret slaps most specs, at least in my case I am destroying meters in timed 12s beating all specs that join the group, but people still don't want to acknowledge rets
What u say about WW is straight up not true xD "the reason its not higher is becouse of his deffensiv abilitys" wtf monk has 3 extremly strong defensiv skills the only reason its not higher is becouse it sucks in mass AOE becouse u target capped thats it .. Purely a numbers thing also no group buff and Mystic touch is only good in a meleegroup
You have no idea what you are talking about. Low keys doesn't matter at all, any dps any comp can do easily, only +10 and above matters. And no I am not gonna teach you anything so that you can make video and make money.
@@lohuune9627 You didnt even watch the video. I literally said at least two times in the video that 95% of all the specs are VERY close together. But no you wanna watch 3 min and then bitch in the comment section. Please by all means make a tierlist video if you think you can do better.
As it should, B means average in positive way, A means better than average and S should be nerfed on spot. Nowadays people put every good class in S lol and the best in S+
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im sorry bro but next time you should make a video about a topic you have knowledge of. This video isnt it.
Please, Enlighten me.
Fire mage A tier. Cmon bruh
@@Hopify93 Have you looked at the logs at all the last 2 weeks
Lots of negative comments here but as an experienced m+ player and currently 2700 io myself so having had a pretty extensive look at the currenty higher end of things without being in the hyper competitive scene this is relatively correct.
Most specs are quite in line but a lot of specs are being taken moreso for utility than anything because of the damage profiles being flexible. obviously there is always going to be a meta at the highest level but GENERALLY everything is competent this season and theres a few that i would personally say stand out only because they are higher, generally, on output without a high skill requirement and still bring great utility/buffs etc. (ie. FDK, Mage, Warlock, Shaman, Ret) If were speaking to the tier list from a +9 - +11 key scene Id say this is pretty spot on.
Thanks for your insight. I think going forward I'm going to just show the raw data and numbers instead of doing a tierlist
Don't get me wrong you're video is ok but you say don't get me wrong too much.
thanks for the feedback
Ret Paladin is top of S, arguably on par with Frost DK. Ret’s full damage profile is within a 30-second window often getting two full bursts within one big trash pack in higher keys.
Frost DK requires some context because it’s definitely one of the best, it’s not as good as the logs lead you to believe. The top logs are a result of massive pulls within their 2-minute Breath window + empowered by an Aug Evoker.
This will be relevant to less than 5% of the player base that isn’t doing organized high keys with an Aug. Plus, Ret can literally save keys with their burst passive healing, full heal, shields and variety of utility.
You will see more consistently high overall damage for Rets regardless of ilvl because it’s easy and Herald of Light carries your damage.
absolute 0 prio damage
Seeing lots of rets topping meters in keys with significantly lower ilvls than expected. I'm surprised this has gone under the radar.
@@Ken-xr2xp Herald of the Sun is just designed very well for mythic dungeons. You play double on-use trinkets for mastery and you essentially with Ashes and Execution Sentence + a trinket for every big trash pull.
If you nerf Ret’s AoE, you essentially brick the spec and the only thing they’re good at because single target is pretty bad.
@@timtech9361 With execution sentence and the Queen’s Mandate trinket, you can do some decent single target, I tend to rotate in the Queen trinket right before every dungeon boss to instant kill prio adds and get one big hit when the boss is in execute range.
@@timtech9361 0 prio damage when you are cluless, or never played ret and just assume based on some rets in low keys, so far no one beat me in meter in any key, currently 12s timed keys, yes on every 4th pull dk will beat me a bit, but I am doing 5m+ every pull, st over a million every time, overall beating them all with or without aug, ret will be even more cracked tomorrow after templar buffs, but clueless people will always be ret is trash and still be beaten by them :)
Arcane and fire both need haste/mastery. So they are pretty similar in stats. Frost however, does need quite a different setup.
Naaah bro 😂 arcane/frost are the same, im simming 1,4m with both specs and if i simm fire with the same build its like 1m
idk what u doing bro but sir u were 100% drunk doing this tierlist lol
Why do you say that
@@stillsolobecause it's bad lol
@@lohuune9627 Elaborate.
Dude put enh ele and ret paladin in b tier. While they're literally gapping so many other classes I've pugging 11s ATM and if this is your tier list you're probably doing 5s and haven't actually seen good players @@Saphyrz
@@lohuune9627 Do you know what is even more funnier, people were trash talking about ret since the day 1, putting it in c-tier, they were like oh yeah they are good in hc dungeons, wait for raid and mythic dungeons, then ret blasted there too, people were like ahh wait for m+ they will be deleted by other specs, now ret slaps most specs, at least in my case I am destroying meters in timed 12s beating all specs that join the group, but people still don't want to acknowledge rets
Yea surv has rly good single target i love this spec
Bro what game you playing?
ruclips.net/video/Up5_Cee4jEI/видео.html i made a response
What u say about WW is straight up not true xD "the reason its not higher is becouse of his deffensiv abilitys" wtf monk has 3 extremly strong defensiv skills the only reason its not higher is becouse it sucks in mass AOE becouse u target capped thats it .. Purely a numbers thing also no group buff and Mystic touch is only good in a meleegroup
Okay
You have no idea what you are talking about. Low keys doesn't matter at all, any dps any comp can do easily, only +10 and above matters. And no I am not gonna teach you anything so that you can make video and make money.
Lmao 🤣
Windwalker can't beat ret or frost dk, self heals is good and we have 3 defensive to hit
he knows hes pulling this out of his ass with 0 research
"dont get me wrong" doesnt mean ur right, talk about something you wont get wrong
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balance druid B tier LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
No way you put shamans that low lol what lvl keys are you doing to whete you never see a shaman that actually knows how to press their buttons
That low? What are you talking about?
@@stillsolo this is rage bait lol
@@lohuune9627 You didnt even watch the video. I literally said at least two times in the video that 95% of all the specs are VERY close together. But no you wanna watch 3 min and then bitch in the comment section. Please by all means make a tierlist video if you think you can do better.
@@stillsolo LOL
@@stillsolo These people can't handle that a 4% dps difference doesn't lift a class from B to S tier, don't worry about their brain rot.
95% classes is in b tier or?
Yup
As it should, B means average in positive way, A means better than average and S should be nerfed on spot.
Nowadays people put every good class in S lol and the best in S+
If you have no clue about the topic of the video, at least make it funny
Thanks for watching
@@stillsolo L take
what is this list bud
Did you even watch the video?
@@stillsolo do you even play the game 😭🙏
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tier list or sh1t list?
Lol