You are right. Sullivan and Jack Johnson were the pioneers who put boxing "on the map". And the heavyweights of today are merely standing on the shoulders of these early giants.
What happened to Joe Louis is a great shame. IRS the Government of United States of America, should’ve wiped his debts on the basis of his loyalty to America in WWII and the fight with Max Schmeling
His family should have sued, because he did give/earn the gov't money that would have been worth more when he gave/earned it and giving it when he didn't have to in the first place meant a great deal...That was how his family should have approached it in a court of law...
Brilliant documentary, those were the great ones, one thing that it neglected to mention which I think is very important in fairness to the legend that was John L Sullivan, he had actually retired undefeated, technically he was the first to achieve that but the last fight against Jim Corbett was a comeback he got pressurized into by fans who wanted to see him fight again, he was past his best, it was their mistake not really John L's but unfortunately he was the one who paid the price for it.
Wonderful awesome and great documentary this was originally aired on the HBO cable network and I remember watching this when it first played. This is one of the best documentaries of the Heavyweight division I've seen and the best ever produced in my opinion. Very nostalgic and reminiscing to watch a piece of Boxing history tracing it's roots back to the origins of this weight class which was once the crown jewel of the sport.
@@KD400_ he didnt call ray robinson a heavyweight he said watching him and jack would be something else, its the emotion that they bring not him setting em up to fight
My whole life has revolved around sports and superb films such as this one allows me to learn and appreciate the pantheon of human endeavours...which, I believe are the essence of our existence...
What ever happened to all these espn classics or sportscentury documentarys i cannot find them anywhere they use to be on tv all the time back in 1999-2004
modern boxers don't know how lucky they are, so many titles and weight classes. even a half decent boxer with the right management can seem unbeatable. how do you know who the best is? if like most modern fighters they duck each other? good example being pacquiao and mayweather. back in these days you had to fight those tough fights as there was only one title bring this back!
As an old school fan of heavy weight boxing I say all the heavy weight champions deserve respect and admiration but taking all factors into consideration the two that I particularly take my hat off to were both John L Sullivan and Jack Johnson, these in my view were the two greatest boxers of all time, there's not much between them, of course it would have been impossible for them to have met in the ring but if they did, both at their best it could have gone either way......
Wonderful post on the greatest of the US World Heavyweight Champions. Made me a subscriber. I am at the point where the great Burt Sugar is stating that if there was no Joe Louis there would have probably not been Jackie Robinson and I concur. I feel that connection between these two great Black Americans as well. I am looking forward to your post on Sugar Ray Robinson, know as the greatest pound by pound fighter of all time. Stay safe everyone...MAR 21 FL US
Awesome documentary, but how dare they not point out that Schmeling was simply German at the wrong time - He was no Nazi, he was a saint that tried to save many innocent people under Nazi tyranny. Also wanted to point out that James J. Jefferies deserved his own segment, and I'm beyond sure of that - he was just as good if not better than most of these guys in his PRIME (not 6 necessarily years out of retirement, although Johnson may of stood toe-to-toe with him then too, they were both great).
First time i've seen this excellent video. Thanks for sharing. Some of the older fighters looked awkward and clumsy. They wouldn't have lasted very long against Ali , Frazier or Liston. With exception of Johnson , Louis and possibly Marciano.
Marceano is awkward but more than makes up for it in pressure and power he's a pressure/Power fighter through and through if he cornered Fraizer he'd be finished. Ali could probably out point him but if rocky got him w a good hit well then it'd be up for debate.
IsiahRay • ROCKY MARCIANO wasn’t really awkward rather he wasn’t a classic fluid boxer in the but who was besides Joe Louis at Heavyweight...... no one really, Dempsey was herky-jerky as was Johnson...a lotta hitting and holding back then. Rocky because of his dimensions couldn’t fight with a classic stand up boxer style so he developed a style that allowed him to did what he wanted to do...... many call it effective awkwardness meaning the style allows you to execute your game plan and that requires athletic ability. Many of these cliches about Rocky are repeated in such documentaries however those in the know will tell you that Rocky’s style was by design. Take a guy like Ernie Shavers hard puncher with very little athletic talent therefore he only got so far. George Chuvalo another example. Point being you have to have athletic ability along with the obvious other skills to make it as GREAT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION...... can’t just be all braun......
michael hampton 100% we know that ROCKY MARCIANO’S style would have been difficult for Ali as Ali said it based on their making of the computer fight as they actually got in a ring and simulated a fight however the were enough moments where the action heated up and gave both combatants an idea as to the others capabilities. Also Joe Louis told my father on many occasions that Rocky’s style was troublesome as Rocky jammed Joe the way he did Archie Moore and all his opponents not letting joe extend his arms the way he wanted..... so we know that Rocky’s style transcended eras....
he was also a combination puncher, something i didn't mention last time, although i don't think he fulfilled his potential as a boxer, so i can't rank him in my top 5 of all time, still my second favourite boxer of all time though :)
Greg Quinn Tunney wasn’t a boxing lifer. Tunney was a different breed not a boxing lifer. Boxing wasn’t core to who he was. He was an intellectual and a MAN of other interests who possessed boxing ability however he knew his limitations therefore he took advantage of his opportunity capitalized and got out.
+HappyJoddler How would you know? hahah None of us will ever know simply cause theres hardly any footage of any of them an footage there is the quality is terrible
+HappyJoddler dempseys era was tough, but sullivans era was tougher. first gloved champion and a bareknuckle champion. dempsey would have his hands full.
@banofee999 Tyson is no doubt a modern legend. The fact that he was the youngest heavyweight champion on all time makes him so. He like perhaps only a few champions of the past evoked so much fear in his opponents many were defeated before they even stepped into the ring. His peek did not last long but in his peek who would have been a challenge to any champion in history. So you may or may not like him but give him his just due.
You said the magic words: his opponents were defeated before they ever stepped in the ring- Tyson was largely built- up by the media and this was vividly exposed when he met hollifield and his last fight, where he quit on his stool- refusing to answer the bell for the next round. Tyson was more of a thug and a bully.
According to what I read, Frank Sinatra, paid for the funeral, but Max, gave a large sum of money to Joe's, wife. Max, also, helped him financially, which included his medical bills.
John L Sullivans last contest wasn't against Jim Corbett, it was against a young fighter named Jim McCormack in Grand Rapids Michigan in 1905. Sullivan won by 2nd round ko.
@@Section5_CdnIntelService If you have that right, i stand corrected. However, from what I've managed to research regarding this contest. I believed it to be legitimate. McCormack/McCormick was reportedly out cold for a few minutes after being kayoed. Also, he did become part of a sparring tour with Sullivan, but after this bout. Interestingly, Sullivan was on a drinking binge in the run up to meeting him, but gave up the drink days after this victory. Thank you for your reply sir.
Dempsey was a good fighter, but I wouldn't rate him inthe top five of all time, only defended the title A few times before losing to Gene Tunney, And did not defend his title for four years ,
What this country did to the Great Joe Lewis is a shame and the country should have been ashamed after all he gave for his country and to go after him for back taxes I think is Criminal
MrRoyalFatness Joe Louis had his last digit at 37 and he passed away at 66 years old. The age thing gets so overblown because it’s the got to for Rocky Haters..... he was 37.... George Foreman was how old when he regain the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP of the WOLRD 45 years old...... Archie Moore was still besting top ranked fighters well into his 40’s..... ROCKY MARCIANO came around at the time he came around and Joe was 37 coming off an 8 winning streak when thy fought.
Marciano should have lost against the Pittsburgh kid, when the ref shook his gloves to bring him back, and gave him time to recover. You have to have a brain to be knocked out. It was proven Marciano had a thick skull, and a brain the size of a lemon.
Its interesting when you see the old style and then here came mike tyson with somthing completely new, it went from sport to animal fighting... these fighters were good but the iron was and is the best of all time in my opinion..
.....JJ would have had more chance in the first ten rounds because he was the faster of the two although JL was certainly no slow coach, however, if he failed to knock out JL which would not have been easy then going into 11-15 rounds under Queensbury this would have been more JL's element, he had more stamina I reckon although I know that Johnson went many distance fights as well, it still would have been either way on points but my money would have been on John L if it went the distance.
@Denver1928 a coward like mayweather? i would much rather spend money on him then spend it on the klitschkos. the klitschkos are the most boring fighters ive ever seen
Just a few days ago I happened on to RUclips's Ali vs Spinks fight. I watched intently (how) Spinks beat Ali. I could see clearly Rocky Marciano getting just as close to Ali as Spinks did. Without any of my doubt, Rocky would have knocked Ali out! A day after watching this fight, the news announced the death of Spinks. ~ God rest his soul.
Ali was 37 and already had Parkinson's. In the rematch Ali danced for 15 rounds and completely dominated him. Ali at 25 as fast and tall and mentally strong as he was he beats marciano in a unanimous decision easily.
John L terrified of Sam Langford? Sullivan lost his title in the 1892. Sam Langford fought his first fight in 1902 as a lightweight. WTF are you talking about?
I hate bringing race into boxing. I am Mexican American. No race or nationality is the king of boxing. You do realize there are more current "white" champions than Mexican right? Cheer for who you want to for whatever reason you want but your statement in itself makes no sense and based on current champions is not based in fact. If you had to pick a current country who has more current champions than any other other that would be Russia.
actually he brought nothing new to boxing at all, in fact his style was a throwback to the great infighters of yesteryear, it was developed in the 60's by Cus, Mike's trainer. and Mike studied the older generation of boxing extensively, you can see in the way he moves its similar to the likes of Dempsey, with some Ray Robinson mixed in, he was probably the most pure "boxer" traditionally in the 90's. the only thing that set him apart was his strength and intimidating physique.
Sullivan was never WORLD champion. He never beat even a good heavyweight. Most of his victims were farm hands and tavern brawlers and the rest were pygmies, usually outweighed by 40 or 50 pounds. One of the few decent real heavyweights he fought was Patsy Cardiff of Canada and that ended in a draw which local papers said should have been declared a win for Cardiff. James Corbett was the first international champion.
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You are right. Sullivan and Jack Johnson were the pioneers who put boxing "on the map". And the heavyweights of today are merely standing on the shoulders of these early giants.
A boxing documentary will never be the same now that bert sugars passed away
loil true
Ain’t that the fucking truth.
So true
I met Sugar. He was full of hot air. Made up half the stories he told.
boxing is a beautiful sport . courageous men and women boxing in a ring . showing their fine skill of art is a wonderful thing.
RIP burt sugar 1937-2012
Best and ever best of impartial documentary ever made truely on the greatest legends of heavy weight boxing. A salute to the whole team.
GODBLESS YOU ROCKY AND JOE LOUIS....real champions and great gents...the best ❤❤❤💔
Amen to that
What happened to Joe Louis is a great shame. IRS the Government of United States of America, should’ve wiped his debts on the basis of his loyalty to America in WWII and the fight with Max Schmeling
His family should have sued, because he did give/earn the gov't money that would have been worth more when he gave/earned it and giving it when he didn't have to in the first place meant a great deal...That was how his family should have approached it in a court of law...
@@pattrell5257 He is an honour a great man.
I'm a veteran. Should my debts be wiped away as well?
@@joeborrajo186yes once you reach 75
It's a sad state of affairs when when Hitler would have treated the guy better than his own government did
Brilliant documentary, those were the great ones, one thing that it neglected to mention which I think is very important in fairness to the legend that was John L Sullivan, he had actually retired undefeated, technically he was the first to achieve that but the last fight against Jim Corbett was a comeback he got pressurized into by fans who wanted to see him fight again, he was past his best, it was their mistake not really John L's but unfortunately he was the one who paid the price for it.
Much great respect to these great warriors/champions who founded moulded
Boxing as we see today especially John lawerence Sullivan RIP!
Used to love this documentary as a child. Had it taped on cassette
"God has given himself a beautiful man." Joe Lewis.......re Rocky M.
There was a good movie made in 1971 about Jack Johnson's life and times. It's called "The Great White Hope" and stars James Earl Jones as Johnson.
Joe Louis was 75 years old when he fought Rocky Marciano.
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Joe was 37 years old....... very close to 75
@@louisj.marciano2562 fought Louis 2 years after Louis retired. Rocky was 30 years old. Louis was favored 20 to 1 before the fight.
@@louisj.marciano2562in boxing years i think he meant lol
"Coming To America" reference
Maciano vs Sullivian, unlimited rounds, one would die for sure !
Jim Bklyn that would be the best fight ever.
Sullivan would have died real quick
Marciano was about the same size but had much faster hands. He'd put Sullivan away in 3 or 4 rounds.
Love these old docus. Thank you!!!
Wonderful awesome and great documentary this was originally aired on the HBO cable network and I remember watching this when it first played. This is one of the best documentaries of the Heavyweight division I've seen and the best ever produced in my opinion. Very nostalgic and reminiscing to watch a piece of Boxing history tracing it's roots back to the origins of this weight class which was once the crown jewel of the sport.
Seeing jack johnson and sugar ray robinson at their peak must have been something else.
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Srr was not a heavyweight pls correct ur comment this documentary just focuses on heavyweights
@@KD400_ he didnt call ray robinson a heavyweight he said watching him and jack would be something else, its the emotion that they bring not him setting em up to fight
@@Popeyethesailorsman its just weird mentioning srr in a documentary about heavyweights
Too bad there isn't any video of Sullivan. It would be interesting to see how he fought.
well u can see the faints and skill from that mind set in that lil short film they had of him as an older man.
well u can see the faints and skill from that mind set in that lil short film they had of him as an older man.
well u can see the faints and skill from that mind set in that lil short film they had of him as an older man.
@@fucdalaw1 000000⁰⁰0p0000
How do you recon they would stand up today.
Give me a cup of coffee with cream weak and white like Jefferies. Give a cup of coffee black and strong like Jack Johnson. That line is too funny
Put down that coffee.
Get yo ass outside and mow dat lawn! Now dat's funny.
@@TheBatugan77 touché
My whole life has revolved around sports and superb films such as this one allows me to learn and appreciate the pantheon of human endeavours...which, I believe are the essence of our existence...
Thanks love it.
great documentary bro
Muchisimas Gracias! Thanks for educating!
What ever happened to all these espn classics or sportscentury documentarys i cannot find them anywhere they use to be on tv all the time back in 1999-2004
And still The Heavyweight Champion Of The World Rocky Marcino 49n0. R.I.P Champ.
Sullivan May Have Been Able To Take Him.
@@bittyguy5388 nah
Joe louis vs max schmelling II would make an awesome movie!!!!!
True.
liking the dance moves @ 11:29
I'm really into the store boxing matches including those of Jack Johnson Sugar Ray Robinson Joe Louis all off old fights
thanks!!!!!
49 likes 0 dislikes rocky marciano 49 wins 0 losses
Everyone should watch this documentary, whether or not boxing is of their interest. Truly a great production.
modern boxers don't know how lucky they are, so many titles and weight classes. even a half decent boxer with the right management can seem unbeatable. how do you know who the best is? if like most modern fighters they duck each other? good example being pacquiao and mayweather. back in these days you had to fight those tough fights as there was only one title bring this back!
John L. Sullivan 1:32
Jack Johnson 6:14
Jack Dempsey 11:18
Joe Louis 17:43
Rocky Marciano 27:28
Muhammad Ali 35:56
3:22 Liston once replied: "They're harder to chop down, too!"
Nothing like leaving Sonny Listons legacy out of the video.
Real legends
As an old school fan of heavy weight boxing I say all the heavy weight champions deserve respect and admiration but taking all factors into consideration the two that I particularly take my hat off to were both John L Sullivan and Jack Johnson, these in my view were the two greatest boxers of all time, there's not much between them, of course it would have been impossible for them to have met in the ring but if they did, both at their best it could have gone either way......
Wonderful post on the greatest of the US World Heavyweight Champions. Made me a subscriber. I am at the point where the great Burt Sugar is stating that if there was no Joe Louis there would have probably not been Jackie Robinson and I concur. I feel that connection between these two great Black Americans as well. I am looking forward to your post on Sugar Ray Robinson, know as the greatest pound by pound fighter of all time. Stay safe everyone...MAR 21 FL US
Today Joe could get a GoFund me account.
What happened to Tunney?
12:44 Man, to have been to a spectacle like that!
Awesome documentary, but how dare they not point out that Schmeling was simply German at the wrong time - He was no Nazi, he was a saint that tried to save many innocent people under Nazi tyranny. Also wanted to point out that James J. Jefferies deserved his own segment, and I'm beyond sure of that - he was just as good if not better than most of these guys in his PRIME (not 6 necessarily years out of retirement, although Johnson may of stood toe-to-toe with him then too, they were both great).
he also came under huge pressure by the Nazis to sack his Jewish trainer, but refused
the guys back then would beat the crap out of todays fighters
smognote most definitely Lol
First time i've seen this excellent video. Thanks for sharing. Some of the older fighters looked awkward and clumsy. They wouldn't have lasted very long against Ali , Frazier or Liston. With exception of Johnson , Louis and possibly Marciano.
Marceano is awkward but more than makes up for it in pressure and power he's a pressure/Power fighter through and through if he cornered Fraizer he'd be finished. Ali could probably out point him but if rocky got him w a good hit well then it'd be up for debate.
IsiahRay • ROCKY MARCIANO wasn’t really awkward rather he wasn’t a classic fluid boxer in the but who was besides Joe Louis at Heavyweight...... no one really, Dempsey was herky-jerky as was Johnson...a lotta hitting and holding back then. Rocky because of his dimensions couldn’t fight with a classic stand up boxer style so he developed a style that allowed him to did what he wanted to do...... many call it effective awkwardness meaning the style allows you to execute your game plan and that requires athletic ability. Many of these cliches about Rocky are repeated in such documentaries however those in the know will tell you that Rocky’s style was by design. Take a guy like Ernie Shavers hard puncher with very little athletic talent therefore he only got so far. George Chuvalo another example. Point being you have to have athletic ability along with the obvious other skills to make it as GREAT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION...... can’t just be all braun......
michael hampton 100% we know that ROCKY MARCIANO’S style would have been difficult for Ali as Ali said it based on their making of the computer fight as they actually got in a ring and simulated a fight however the were enough moments where the action heated up and gave both combatants an idea as to the others capabilities.
Also Joe Louis told my father on many occasions that Rocky’s style was troublesome as Rocky jammed Joe the way he did Archie Moore and all his opponents not letting joe extend his arms the way he wanted..... so we know that Rocky’s style transcended eras....
Two hrs bare Knuckle fighting is a eternity
Gods choosen to be kimgs if the Ring , God Bless the sport of Boxing and the competitive Spirit.
12:52 why not just call the film "Daredevil Dempsey"? It sounds a lot better
he was also a combination puncher, something i didn't mention last time, although i don't think he fulfilled his potential as a boxer, so i can't rank him in my top 5 of all time, still my second favourite boxer of all time though :)
Charlie Sonny is missing …
Before Ali …
John L could kill someone with his moustache..
A few parts were cut from this documentary?
@sammyd199418 did you hear the part" we remember these champions for not only how they fought but how they lived"
Tunney only defended the title two times and than retired....
Greg Quinn Tunney wasn’t a boxing lifer. Tunney was a different breed not a boxing lifer. Boxing wasn’t core to who he was. He was an intellectual and a MAN of other interests who possessed boxing ability however he knew his limitations therefore he took advantage of his opportunity capitalized and got out.
Burt was the man.... Absolutely!!!
Jack Johnson is were this in the comer of boxing Documentary
should of starts and the past fighter should be for get they look like ufc fighters
Jack was big and deadly I would go 55 Sullivian 45 Johnson. AS EARLY ROUNDS all Johnson but later rounds John Sullivian wins, busted ribs !
Ali was known as The Black Superman
Joe Louis was The Black Moses!
Just think of a fight between Sullivan (when sober) and Dempsey. Pretty sure the world would explode
Dempsey would win 100%. He was a fighter straight from the future. His style were like no one else, thats why he was so succeslfull
+HappyJoddler How would you know? hahah None of us will ever know simply cause theres hardly any footage of any of them an footage there is the quality is terrible
+HappyJoddler dempseys era was tough, but sullivans era was tougher. first gloved champion and a bareknuckle champion. dempsey would have his hands full.
Mackelroy McJohnstonson Sullivan only lost once.
Sullivan, if he could remain sober, wouldn't be able to wrestle under MoQ rules so he'd be at a huge disadvantage. Dempsey would take his head off.
THANk u Ibhof2 , for me these people are no less important than Einstein , Newton and Picasso
My father who drove a taxi said Dempsey was a great tiper but gave him the best cigars
@brooklyn560 well said, for a second I assumed I posted that one
@banofee999 Tyson is no doubt a modern legend. The fact that he was the youngest
heavyweight champion on all time makes him so. He like perhaps only a few champions of the past evoked so much fear in his opponents many were defeated before they even stepped into the ring. His peek did not last long but in his peek who would have been a challenge to any champion in history. So you may or may not like him but give him his just due.
You said the magic words: his opponents were defeated before they ever stepped in the ring-
Tyson was largely built- up by the media and this was vividly exposed when he met hollifield and his last fight, where he quit on his stool- refusing to answer the bell for the next round. Tyson was more of a thug and a bully.
"Fuck Floyd Patterson" - This documentary
I heard the one who said "the bigger they come the harder they fall" was barbados joe walcott
Somebody's lyin
Am I the only one watching this for a classwork assignment
45:10 Ali invented rap
Max Schmelling and Joe Louis became very good friend...Max paid half of Joe`s funeral cost`s..
According to what I read, Frank Sinatra, paid for the funeral, but Max, gave a large sum of money to Joe's, wife. Max, also, helped him financially, which included his medical bills.
John L Sullivans last contest wasn't against Jim Corbett, it was against a young fighter named Jim McCormack in Grand Rapids Michigan in 1905. Sullivan won by 2nd round ko.
Jim McCormick was part of a troupe of travelling performers put together by Sullivan. His losing to Sullivan every night was part of the act.
@@Section5_CdnIntelService
If you have that right, i stand corrected.
However, from what I've managed to research regarding this contest. I believed it to be legitimate. McCormack/McCormick was reportedly out cold for a few minutes after being kayoed.
Also, he did become part of a sparring tour with Sullivan, but after this bout.
Interestingly, Sullivan was on a drinking binge in the run up to meeting him, but gave up the drink days after this victory.
Thank you for your reply sir.
Marciano is the best ever!
Your telling my at 00:26 John L Sullivan will beat the carp out of the fighters today.The Klitschko Brothers YOUR CRAZY
MrCecnelson
John L would've been a light heavyweight today. You cannot compare, just appreciate
Jackjohnson could've...He was better than Joe Louis! He offered to be Louis's trainer.
He predicted that Shmeling would beat Leius and how...
and the speed... there were and are faster fighters then him but those are fighters that dont compete in the heavyweights
21:11
Louis over Ali any day of the week and twice on Sundays
Dempsey was a good fighter, but I wouldn't rate him inthe top five of all time, only defended the title A few times before losing to Gene Tunney, And did not defend his title for four years ,
Jack Dempsey was a lot like Evander Holyfield in that he cleaned out most of the good heavyweight opposition before he became champion.
He was the first to have that aggresive style i guess thats why people rate him so highly
Too foulmouthed for my taste, but Sullivan must of had some power to make that 4 round claim and fulfill it, too, even in the bare knuckles era!
Sullivan and Johnson were the two hardest, toughest sons of bitches to ever enter the ring.
Wrong. Not Johnson. He lost over and over. Marciano and Sullivan.
harry greb too
What this country did to the Great Joe Lewis is a shame and the country should have been ashamed after all he gave for his country and to go after him for back taxes I think is Criminal
7:56 lost footage of Francis Ngannou’s grandfather
Loop l
sony liston????
ROCKY walked into/thru punches! Remember this.
JOE LOUIS IS 137 YEARS OLD!!!
MrRoyalFatness Joe Louis had his last digit at 37 and he passed away at 66 years old. The age thing gets so overblown because it’s the got to for Rocky Haters..... he was 37....
George Foreman was how old when he regain the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP of the WOLRD 45 years old...... Archie Moore was still besting top ranked fighters well into his 40’s..... ROCKY MARCIANO came around at the time he came around and Joe was 37 coming off an 8 winning streak when thy fought.
just cause he sick dont make him great tyson and johnson were great
Skipped over joe. It's hard to do what joe did and we still shitted on him and many of our Proud Boxing Fighters
The woman in the red dress my god
Marciano should have lost against the Pittsburgh kid, when the ref shook his gloves to bring him back, and gave him time to recover. You have to have a brain to be knocked out. It was proven Marciano had a thick skull, and a brain the size of a lemon.
and floyd mayweather
Its interesting when you see the old style and then here came mike tyson with somthing completely new, it went from sport to animal fighting... these fighters were good but the iron was and is the best of all time in my opinion..
He lacked heart...
The goat.! The best fighting style ever
.....JJ would have had more chance in the first ten rounds because he was the faster of the two although JL was certainly no slow coach, however, if he failed to knock out JL which would not have been easy then going into 11-15 rounds under Queensbury this would have been more JL's element, he had more stamina I reckon although I know that Johnson went many distance fights as well, it still would have been either way on points but my money would have been on John L if it went the distance.
Tyson had great speed to he could throw hooks at the speed Ali could throw a jab straight combo
Not really
@Denver1928 a coward like mayweather? i would much rather spend money on him then spend it on the klitschkos. the klitschkos are the most boring fighters ive ever seen
Just a few days ago I happened on to RUclips's Ali vs Spinks fight. I watched intently (how) Spinks beat Ali. I could see clearly Rocky Marciano getting just as close to Ali as Spinks did. Without any of my doubt, Rocky would have knocked Ali out! A day after watching this fight, the news announced the death of Spinks. ~ God rest his soul.
He was dam near 40
Ali was 37 and already had Parkinson's. In the rematch Ali danced for 15 rounds and completely dominated him. Ali at 25 as fast and tall and mentally strong as he was he beats marciano in a unanimous decision easily.
@@jaybreacher4430 I have PD and no way did ALI beat Rocky unless in your dreams.
@@Joe-gu6oe Ali outclasses him with ease
@@jaybreacher4430 Are you serious about Ali outclassing Marciano? Say what?
Po p
jack was a real man a real nigga long brfore ali and ali could never beat him jack was the greatest and always will be
dempsey was a punk he refused to fight jack johnson he knew he would lose
Dempsey was afraid of no man
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the moment you realize john l sullivan was terrified of sam langford, and the rest of the black fighters, he didnt want it, chickend out . weenie
John L terrified of Sam Langford? Sullivan lost his title in the 1892. Sam Langford fought his first fight in 1902 as a lightweight. WTF are you talking about?
Andrew * uhmm you should look up docu about black fighters and you'll realize you fail at life bet sugar said it himself
bert sugar white boys just scared of blacks lmao I love being mexican kings of boxing
I hate bringing race into boxing. I am Mexican American. No race or nationality is the king of boxing. You do realize there are more current "white" champions than Mexican right? Cheer for who you want to for whatever reason you want but your statement in itself makes no sense and based on current champions is not based in fact. If you had to pick a current country who has more current champions than any other other that would be Russia.
white champions in boxing? wtf
actually he brought nothing new to boxing at all, in fact his style was a throwback to the great infighters of yesteryear, it was developed in the 60's by Cus, Mike's trainer. and Mike studied the older generation of boxing extensively, you can see in the way he moves its similar to the likes of Dempsey, with some Ray Robinson mixed in, he was probably the most pure "boxer" traditionally in the 90's. the only thing that set him apart was his strength and intimidating physique.
Sullivan was never WORLD champion. He never beat even a good heavyweight. Most of his victims were farm hands and tavern brawlers and the rest were pygmies, usually outweighed by 40 or 50 pounds. One of the few decent real heavyweights he fought was Patsy Cardiff of Canada and that ended in a draw which local papers said should have been declared a win for Cardiff. James Corbett was the first international champion.
U can only do the best for ur time. Not his fault he was fighting in 1882
ali on his best day could on never beat mike tyson when he meet mikre he was afraid of him mike was real and ali was scared
dennis handt Sdfu bitch
Joe Louis greatest heavy weight champion of all times