The arrangement of players taking those penalties was absolutely disgusting, politics got priority over an England victory and that's why the England team will never win nothing ever again? Southgate threw it away,, proof of that was choosing a youngster who'd never taken a penalty in his life, mind you it's not like it was a huge game, I'm still disgusted by that result but the entire country never even had the guts to criticise all they could say was "wernt they unlucky?" Did you also hear how sad and sorry the 3 degrees were? I mean Stewart Peace was that down after 1990 he couldn't even give a urine sample for a drug test? But once again we lose a euro final at home! But nevermind the woman took time out from their shopping and cooking to win what looks like toy you'd get with an Hornblower action man.
He comes off terribly in this documentary it's like he's justifying being racist by making more racist comments and just keeps digging and digging so to speak.
It seems he's still in some state of denial. That's what's damaging to how he comes off in this documentary. "Apparently I made the alleged remark." and "I didn't swear." are comments that just indicate he still hasn't fully accepted and owned exactly what he said.
@@socco69 One they didn't do which I am surprised they didn't was play what he said back to Ron. On the one hand he says he didn't remember saying it. Then on the other he says he didn't swear or alleged it happened.
I think Frank Skinner hits the nail on the head when he says "you can debate is Ron Atkinson racist but what he said about Marcel Desailly WAS racist". Attributing racism to words and actions is more constructive than arguing whether people are or aren't.
@@nickm8874 come down se London some time you might change your tune 🙄 And I do understand them words believe me You wouldn't last a year in se London i wonder why hypocrite!
@@melvyns1975 there is a difference between racially discriminating against people in life and work and making an ignorant thick comment maybe to curry favour with the company your in.
Ron's defence seems to be based solely on that he brought through "the three degrees" at WBA thus helping to breakdown racial barriers in sports, and that he was the only manager doing it. The trouble is that it's not really true: Ron didn't sign Regis or Cunningham for Albion, they were already there, though he did sign Batson (who was with him at Cambridge) and later Remi Moses. Ron saw a great marketing opportunity to put his club in the public eye with the three degrees nickname and the legend of Ron being a racial pioneer was born. As for other clubs in the late 70s: Man City had Roger Palmer, Dave Bennett, Gary Bennett and Alex Williams; Port Vale had Neville and Mark Chamberlain, later Mark Bright; Chris Hughton then Garth Crookes at Spurs, Luther Blisset and John Barnes at Watford, Ricky Hill and Brian Stein at Luton, George Berry and Bob Hazel at Wolves, so Ron was far from the only one.
Yes, but the real stupidity was agreeing to make this hatchet job of a "documentary" and believing that those ever so unbiased peadophiles at the PPC would give him a fair hearing. Otherwise, given a few years, most people (like you) would've forgotten all about "Racist Ron" and he would probably have been rehabilitated.
He could have totally sorted everything out by admitting what he said was racist and showing genuine desire to learn from his mistakes... (even if he didn't mean it) - Instead he basically denies any wrong doing and comes across ignorant and un-remorseful ... Missed opportunity Ron.
He was kind of remorseful and apologetic … and then that young American college student told him she calls her mates ****a …. And it set him off! Hahaha
I just wasn’t prepared for the whole American radio bit. Honestly what were they thinking? Absolute comedy gold He came back more angry and more indignant hahaha
100% twitter would say so, can’t say the N word if you’re white these days regardless of context, can’t even read of mice and men in English lessons soon, I bet you
Then sometime into the future they'll have to make another documentary exploring whether Chiles' retrospective documentary on whether his Ron Atkinson racism documentary was in itself racist, was in itself racist.
If this was meant to support the fact he’s not a racist then it has backfired !!! So much self pity and an apology that is only said in the hope his career is resurrected, the bloke interviewing him at the end is absolutely spot on and deserves a pint 🍻
I'm black and my brother used to play for Aston Villa, I met Big Ron one evening at Villa Park with my dad & Mr Atkinson couldn't have been more warm, kind, friendly & accommodating if he tried. As I've gotten older and have had a lot of experiences in my life with regards to colour I've learnt not to throw Racism at every incident involving stupidity & race and believe me there are a lot of stupid people out there. I tend to judge people on their intent and not what comes out of their mouths, we all say a lot of stupid shit, I called someone a stupid faggot the other day cuz they broke a string on my guitar not thinking for a moment that I have gay friends & how would they feel if they heard me say that. What made me really mad with big Ron was his comments afterwards when he said I can't be racist I've signed black players & I have many black friends, note to white people never say this to a black person because even the white slave owner had black slaves working in his house. If I could have given him any advice at the time it would have been ' say sorry, shut the fuck up & move on.
You fat stinking hypocrite. It's concerning to you when you think if you were do it but if Ron sticks to his guns and shows his innocence it's different then. Woke culture in a nutshell. This whole thing has been an entire black comedy.
All he had to say was “I’M not calling him a n****r, I’m saying what people MAY have called him when I started managing....I shouldn’t have said it but it was said without thinking” etc. All this “I’ve apologised enough” makes him sound like he feels he’s the victim now. That isn’t going to wash.
"This is a museum of racist memorobilia, if Ron is tired of hearing the N word, this is probably the last place he should be" I was dying when I heard that one 😂
Yes it does. Remember people were quick to hang John Terry out to dry when he said the N word which ironically wasn't racist at all, but that's another matter.
@@deanjames5130 Terry isn't. Saying the N word in a passive way doesn't make you racist. Otherwise that makes all black people that say it racist by that logic.
As a black man I must say that I myself have used racial slurs, insults and jokes to other races, including myself. It’s pretty hypocritical that people are condemning others for using “racial slurs” when we’ve all done and said it. I’d be a massive hypocrite had I slated Atkinson for this
Priince Brvce_LUHG_ well done mate he never meant it he’s from a older time I don’t think what he sayed was rite it’s was rotten but he’s sayed his sorry and still getting slaughtered in 2020
Dnomyar Akunawik I somewhat agree. However, if your apology is sincere, then I feel there’s no need to hold it against them for the rest of their lives.
“This is where I was when I uttered that aberration.” Oh that was the only time I’ve ever said that in my life. I don’t even remember saying it. Doesn’t seem like he does
Am I the only one who feels like this entire documentary is about Mr. Atkinson justifying his own actions? If you're able to say THAT kind of stuff when (you think) nobody is listening/looking.. Your thinking process is that way, which means you ARE racist in my opinion..
I suspect many people under 40 will fully agree with you. Those of us over 45 will tend to think he' was a total twat but he grew up in a time when, undoubtedly, social attitudes were different. Not excusing it, merely explaining it. In time, you will also start to feel as if you can't keep up with the world around you , it happens to everyone eventually.
@@zargonthemagnificent330 totally agree. He is a product of his era, he is totally ignorant and doesn't really get it. I don't detect any malice in Ron Atkinson just ignorance. If somebody 40 years younger than him behaved like him I think I'd view him more harshly.
Scruffy Sandra Of course they are, but I’ve NEVER been with any of my black mates and heard them shout anti white stuff at any white person. Oh the other hand, the amount of times I’ve been called names by random white boys/males is quite a lot.. My parents didn’t raise me to dislike people based on race/religion.. I’m proud of that.
BFC have you ever been to America and spoken to blacks over there?? Ever been to South Africa and spoken to blacks over there..?? I have, and guess what??? West Indies not so much.
Scruffy Sandra my parents came to the uk back in the 60’s, as teenagers.. Worked hard all their lives, my mum still does 💪🏿. They taught us from a young age what we would face from white people, and they weren’t wrong. They also told us to rise above it, study/work hard and to TRY and get along with everyone. They also taught us that names don’t hurt, but if someone puts their hands on you...
At the time, the worst thing about this it felt to me was that it was said of Marcel D. Arguably one of the most successful hard working footballers of his time. A legend of the game who would be anything but lazy. In fact, Desaily and Deschamps grew up together at Marseille like brothers with a commitment to each other to out work everyone else on their way to the top. Now if he was called a lazy n***** after all he went on to achieve, what hope for us mere mortals. Big Ron at the time was my favorite CL host at the time. He commented on some great games; R Madrid v MAn UTd with peàk Zidane. Then that. Such a let down
Actually Cantona called Deschamps the 'water carrier' and the Chelsea Desailly wasn't the AC Milan or Marseille Desailly,he was lazier and more prone to errors.
Jack Evans yep it's in the context of the joke not in the opinion facts remain facts this guy assumed he meant Africa and so did you. Where does she actually live?
@Bryan McDade 4 politicians who attend cabinet meetings are drawn from ethnic minorities. www.gov.uk/government/ministers I don't remember any black or Asian cabinet ministers in South Africa before 1994. I have also noticed Ben Carson is a member of President Trump's government and he is black. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Donald_Trump
it is actually enjoyable to see the producers haul him from place to place to try to reeducate him on what he has done. currently at 25 minutes and they have stuck him on a plane to the US to find out about the word he used
I just think its hilarious that this attempt to build back his reputation failed so spectacularly lol. At one stage he kind of equates saying "this is a black day" to saying "Desailly is a lazy thick n****" lmao
@@irieite9666 this wasn't an attempt to build back his reputation, it was an effort to destroy the man, culminating in race-hustler in chief Darcus Howe telling him to scrub Rio Ferdinand's boots.
Being paid several times more than brain surgeons for being a football pundit is such a good deal that very very few people get that you really ought to be without blemishes to do it. If he's "brought back" someone else will have to go, obviously. My question is why the hell should someone else be forced out when they haven't done what Ron done? Can anyone answer that? There isn't an infinite number of commentator slots. Why should someone else be fired or have their work reduced for Ron? Hmm?
31:10 Gotta love the fact that they used a song by Mos Def, a song which had a message and an actual reason beyond the superficial for using the n word, and played like 5 seconds without context.
9 minutes in, loads of contributions from Ron and his mates and yet he still hasnt been confronted with what he said and when he finally is, he doesn't give a 5hit
Not true at all,he has apologised,said sorry,and held his hands up, what he hasn't done is gone over board/keep on apologising for it,that's all, you can tell he isn't racist,he was angry the night he said what he said,and he said something in anger,I've lost my control,and said stupid things in the past, don't hammer Ron,he really doesn't deserve it, Brendan Batson knows the score.
The weird thing is nobody ever manages to drive the point home to him. It doesn't help that he tries to learn about racism from a white racist phone-in in Alabama (lol). As far as Big Ron is concerned, he has basically called Desailly the equivalent of a "wanker", and by the end of the programme his position hasn't really shifted. I think the only way to explain it to a white person might be to call their mother a cheap inbred whore or something along those lines - it's that ancestral slur and the baggage of slavery that makes the N-word much more offensive than a swear word. By using that word, you're not just insulting someone, you're bringing up all sorts of implications about their worth as a human being and their status in society. Ron never grasps this. (I don't think he's a bad person, by the way. And I don't think he needs to keep apologising. I'm just surprised he never catches on to what all the black players are saying to him - usually very patiently and politely.)
@Undoctrinated I literally said he doesn't need to keep apologising? What makes you think I have a begging bowl? I work for a successful private company and I'm loaded!
@Undoctrinated no, I just thought he might show some empathy for people who don't like being called the n-word? Like a flicker of understanding at some point. He never does. It was just a comment on a RUclips video. I have no desire for him to display any kind of emotional breakdown. You seem to be projecting a lot of your own inadequacies and troubles and pet peeves on to my original comment, which didn't cover half the stuff you've talked about.
@@andyw9255 he's a racist to. Dont worry, they try to pretend its political correctness. But they know in their hearts what they mean by it. Ron isn't a bad bloke but he is definitely prejudiced and a racist regardless of his actions, I dont think he has any respect for black people beyond what they can do in service for him, he's just not as stupid as other racists who think theyll only get something of value from a white person. So his record as a manager doesnt deter me from calling him a racist, because Cyril Regis etc. were exceptional players who Ron had the sense to play
@Richard Carpenter what he said was racist and stupid. It doesn't mean that he is inherently a white supremacist but there was no way he could have kept his job after that.
In Alabama why was he smiling along with those racist hicks on that FM radio show? Shouldn't he be shaking his head in disgust? That's what I'd do - we'd all do.
: Ron is not a racist, he was politically incorrect, in politically correct times, that’s all slow to move with the times, Thanks for all you’ve done Ron sorry for how things turned out.
As a young Newcastle fan I'm ashamed to say I joined in with some of the racist chants in the 70s. My excuse? I was 14 and stupid. I grew up and I look back on those (mercifully short) times with shame. Ron didn't have the excuse of age on his side. He's a racist whatever excuses he makes.
Bullshit, when you were round your own people you were tribal and as tribes do you mocked outsiders, just like ALL tribes and ALL colours do, now you've left the tribe you feel vulnerable and walk around on eggshells scared to offend while others remain tribal towards you, don't try flogging your fear as 'moved on' or enlightened
@@callithowiseeit5806it's not "walking on eggshells" it's realising that there are haIfwits and treacherous to$$ers in your own "tribe", so mocking other "tribes" as if they're any worse than you, is the act of a tragic terminal wally.
@@callithowiseeit5806exactly . Am man united fan. Do I think the " Charlton in box" City fans need a dox..... grow up idiots having a laugh n being idiots
Difficult to feel any sympathy for him, after 24 years of being very well paid for mostly stating the obvious. He got away with a similar offensive comment 14 years earlier, so he had a good ron.
Yes, but that would denote respect and Ron Atkinson's a "white" (orange to be more precise) man so Mr Howe didn't need to stand. I bet it was a bloody weak handshake too! If Atkinson had agreed to clean Ferdinand's boots (have we all forgotten the "Rio/Lampard spit-roasting?!) what exactly do you think that would've proved or achieved? Do you think a single person would've said; "okay, so he can't be racist because he cleaned Rio Ferdinand's boot for 10 weeks"?! I personally would've felt even less kindly disposed towards Mr Atkinson if he'd gone along with that.
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Just imagine if Big Ron was the commentator during the England/Italy Euro final penalty shoot-out. The airwaves would have sounded like an NWA record.
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Hahahaha funniest comment on this video
The arrangement of players taking those penalties was absolutely disgusting, politics got priority over an England victory and that's why the England team will never win nothing ever again? Southgate threw it away,, proof of that was choosing a youngster who'd never taken a penalty in his life, mind you it's not like it was a huge game, I'm still disgusted by that result but the entire country never even had the guts to criticise all they could say was "wernt they unlucky?" Did you also hear how sad and sorry the 3 degrees were? I mean Stewart Peace was that down after 1990 he couldn't even give a urine sample for a drug test? But once again we lose a euro final at home! But nevermind the woman took time out from their shopping and cooking to win what looks like toy you'd get with an Hornblower action man.
@@andrewisotope8146 GS is a legend. Shove your flag up your ass
Utter nonsense.
The absolute irony of max clifford talking about someone being in the wrong 😂😂😂😂
Complete sociopath!
That motherfuckas toast😆
Rest in piss
I'm getting the word NONCE
Dead now like Rons career.
"Who wants tea, who wants coffee?" I will take a coffee Ron and make it black... " Not in my fookin house you won't!"
😂😂😂😂
Bahahaha quality 😂
Amazing comment😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This does feel like an Alan Partridge special.
Fi real. Racist Ron, now he's gone
Definitely... back of the net.
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
Partridge visits usa 🇺🇸 lol
😂
Atkinson was quoted as saying "How can I be a racist? I drink gallons of Um Bongo and some of my best shoes are black"!
😂😂😂😂
He comes off terribly in this documentary it's like he's justifying being racist by making more racist comments and just keeps digging and digging so to speak.
That's hilarious 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
Lol
He has a black cat too! Cant be racist 🙄
"Apparently I made the alleged remark." Ron Atkinson
Yeah the one on tape.
"I didn't swear." Then Chiles pipes in saying he did. Amazing.
It seems he's still in some state of denial. That's what's damaging to how he comes off in this documentary. "Apparently I made the alleged remark." and "I didn't swear." are comments that just indicate he still hasn't fully accepted and owned exactly what he said.
@@socco69 yes because he is wrong on both counts....he is lying
@@socco69 One they didn't do which I am surprised they didn't was play what he said back to Ron. On the one hand he says he didn't remember saying it. Then on the other he says he didn't swear or alleged it happened.
Atkinson himself faced a lot of prejudices for being orange in colour.
Pony boy Curtis LOL!
Curtis.....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Adored by oompa loompas the world over
He's a cousin of the man from delmonte
I thought he was more mahogany
When a completely random video shows up in your algorithm!
And of course I will watch it in full
It would be rude not too😏
I'm trying to find the video where Olivia Lee gives him the middle finger at the golf course and he is just sitting there paralysed with anger. lol
It's not a random algorithm
@@rs-vp7re if you say so chief
@@rs-vp7re ok nerd
I think Frank Skinner hits the nail on the head when he says "you can debate is Ron Atkinson racist but what he said about Marcel Desailly WAS racist". Attributing racism to words and actions is more constructive than arguing whether people are or aren't.
RON IS A WHITE SUPREMACIST.
@do br That is not what Simone Conneff was saying. Reading what your wrote, I would imagine that she has you down as a racist, sexist homophobe!
Im openly racist and homophobic. And big Ron was right, Desailly was shite that night in Monaco
Thats why Birmingham is a shithole
@@racefirstunialondon3323 Retarded comment. Well done, nob 'ead
“It was a black day”
“Shouldn’t say that really should I”
effin hell!
Bigt 55 🤦♂️
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I pissed myself laughing at that bit 😂
Jeeeeeesus
Don’t be daft! Race hatred is easy to spot, always coming from an ignorant boob deeply insecure. Some things are quite simple.
The most hilarious documentary i have ever seen.
And hypocritical at the same time very ironic really
Not if your black asshole!
@@pauliepaul3697you don’t really understand either of those words do you. Just Chuck em about and hope nobody notices
@@nickm8874 come down se London some time you might change your tune 🙄
And I do understand them words believe me
You wouldn't last a year in se London i wonder why hypocrite!
“Do you define yourself as English first
Or Jamaican first ? “
“ neither ..... I define myself as John Barnes”
That was class like
Bet if he couldn’t make the England team he’d be Jamaican
I like john he's a nice guy i met him in Amsterdam years ago he liked the ladies
@@DB-qj5kt but he did make the England team
And your point is ?
Being with Chelsea fans before the Monaco game obviously rubbed off on him
Ross Boyer so true...
A number of the Chelsea fans probably rubbed off on him too .....
What bag of shit do you support then?
A few fans are Racist. Not everyone.
Not all, but a lot.
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I think the N word is used more in this documentary than a Snoop Dogg record or maybe even a Tarantino movie
That was the strangest opening segment for a documentary on such a serious a topic as this.
Stupid comment
Throughout the whole program I just felt he was bitter for getting caught and didnt really seem apologetic
He is not racist imo
@@sugs1191 so racially insulting someone doesn't mean you're a racist?
@@melvyns1975 no
@@melvyns1975 there is a difference between racially discriminating against people in life and work and making an ignorant thick comment maybe to curry favour with the company your in.
So true, bitter , arrogant, and showed no remorse
16:58 “The two coloured players combining beautifully there”
Imagine if they said that now...
He'd get fired 2
Motson
Imagine if Big Ron was a commentator for the England/Italy shootout
This documentary did more more bad than good and probably drove the last nail home in Ron's career.
Haha the old bring him back in from the cold routine didn't pan out too well
Good.
Exactly, made the truth of his attitude come swimming to the surface
Thats a bit Iffy?
“Either had to be all or nothing for my money.”
Ron's defence seems to be based solely on that he brought through "the three degrees" at WBA thus helping to breakdown racial barriers in sports, and that he was the only manager doing it. The trouble is that it's not really true: Ron didn't sign Regis or Cunningham for Albion, they were already there, though he did sign Batson (who was with him at Cambridge) and later Remi Moses. Ron saw a great marketing opportunity to put his club in the public eye with the three degrees nickname and the legend of Ron being a racial pioneer was born. As for other clubs in the late 70s: Man City had Roger Palmer, Dave Bennett, Gary Bennett and Alex Williams; Port Vale had Neville and Mark Chamberlain, later Mark Bright; Chris Hughton then Garth Crookes at Spurs, Luther Blisset and John Barnes at Watford, Ricky Hill and Brian Stein at Luton, George Berry and Bob Hazel at Wolves, so Ron was far from the only one.
Used to watch Roger Palmer at Maine road
@@mcfcguvnors any good?
Leeds beat them all with Albert Johanson. Dirty Leeds were quite woke for their time.
@@normanby100 Paul Reaney too.
I saw Alex Williams painting his fence last week on didsbury road
"Thrown it away by sheer stupidity" You said it Ron!
Yes, but the real stupidity was agreeing to make this hatchet job of a "documentary" and believing that those ever so unbiased peadophiles at the PPC would give him a fair hearing. Otherwise, given a few years, most people (like you) would've forgotten all about "Racist Ron" and he would probably have been rehabilitated.
Ron reminds me of Feech Lamanna from The Sopranos
I thought frank Lopez if he had an 80s stache
"This Gardiner..... Does he trim the hair on your balls too?"
@@pickleboy487 lol. Good shout.
agreed
Now do yourself a fucking favour.....
He could have totally sorted everything out by admitting what he said was racist and showing genuine desire to learn from his mistakes... (even if he didn't mean it) - Instead he basically denies any wrong doing and comes across ignorant and un-remorseful ... Missed opportunity Ron.
He was kind of remorseful and apologetic … and then that young American college student told him she calls her mates ****a …. And it set him off! Hahaha
I just wasn’t prepared for the whole American radio bit. Honestly what were they thinking? Absolute comedy gold
He came back more angry and more indignant hahaha
Somebody should have told Ron to stop digging.
This is the best piece of television ever made haha
Big Ron will always have swagger
looking forward to Adrian Chiles' retrospective documentary on whether his Ron Atkinson racism documentary was in itself racist
100% twitter would say so, can’t say the N word if you’re white these days regardless of context, can’t even read of mice and men in English lessons soon, I bet you
CANCEL ADRIAN CHILES
Then sometime into the future they'll have to make another documentary exploring whether Chiles' retrospective documentary on whether his Ron Atkinson racism documentary was in itself racist, was in itself racist.
@@Mac-rf5wf And the cycle continues
If they think that's racist they need to put Leo do caprio up for life imprisonment for his role in Django Unchained
If this was meant to support the fact he’s not a racist then it has backfired !!!
So much self pity and an apology that is only said in the hope his career is resurrected, the bloke interviewing him at the end is absolutely spot on and deserves a pint 🍻
Oh have a day off, the race baiting nutter deserves credit
Adrian Chiles…that guy made the odd racist comment in his football commentary, and also got sacked.
I'm black and my brother used to play for Aston Villa, I met Big Ron one evening at Villa Park with my dad & Mr Atkinson couldn't have been more warm, kind, friendly & accommodating if he tried. As I've gotten older and have had a lot of experiences in my life with regards to colour I've learnt not to throw Racism at every incident involving stupidity & race and believe me there are a lot of stupid people out there. I tend to judge people on their intent and not what comes out of their mouths, we all say a lot of stupid shit, I called someone a stupid faggot the other day cuz they broke a string on my guitar not thinking for a moment that I have gay friends & how would they feel if they heard me say that. What made me really mad with big Ron was his comments afterwards when he said I can't be racist I've signed black players & I have many black friends, note to white people never say this to a black person because even the white slave owner had black slaves working in his house. If I could have given him any advice at the time it would have been ' say sorry, shut the fuck up & move on.
You fat stinking hypocrite. It's concerning to you when you think if you were do it but if Ron sticks to his guns and shows his innocence it's different then. Woke culture in a nutshell. This whole thing has been an entire black comedy.
I met him in Dubai and gotta say the same about him.
Up the villa!
Great comment Mark.
Brilliant mature and open answer. Looking at your name was your brother J Lloyd?
Well said Mark...i dont think there was any malice in what he said cos hes a big joker really. Life of the party..its sad this ruined his job life.
All he had to say was “I’M not calling him a n****r, I’m saying what people MAY have called him when I started managing....I shouldn’t have said it but it was said without thinking” etc.
All this “I’ve apologised enough” makes him sound like he feels he’s the victim now. That isn’t going to wash.
It's honestly sad
Atkinson football career highlight... hitting the post. Legend!
Funniest documentary ive seen in a long time 😂
"This is a museum of racist memorobilia, if Ron is tired of hearing the N word, this is probably the last place he should be"
I was dying when I heard that one 😂
One of the cuff comment, does NOT make him a racist. Daft comment? Yes, Is he a racist? No.
Yes it does. Remember people were quick to hang John Terry out to dry when he said the N word which ironically wasn't racist at all, but that's another matter.
@@r4h4al Did you actually the full John Terry comment? Not the edited one? Clearly not.
@@kdlofty What was the full comment I strongly doubt it was racist?
He is definitely a racist
@@deanjames5130 Terry isn't. Saying the N word in a passive way doesn't make you racist.
Otherwise that makes all black people that say it racist by that logic.
Watching this in 2020 with my jaw on the table! 🤯
they wantonly say the n word as if we need constant clarification
@@corpgov call the pc police mr brown person
As a black man I must say that I myself have used racial slurs, insults and jokes to other races, including myself. It’s pretty hypocritical that people are condemning others for using “racial slurs” when we’ve all done and said it.
I’d be a massive hypocrite had I slated Atkinson for this
Honesty.
Priince Brvce_LUHG_ well done mate he never meant it he’s from a older time I don’t think what he sayed was rite it’s was rotten but he’s sayed his sorry and still getting slaughtered in 2020
Dnomyar Akunawik I somewhat agree. However, if your apology is sincere, then I feel there’s no need to hold it against them for the rest of their lives.
He was defo rong for what he sayed it’s rotten man
Nope you're just a bounty
And this is when I apparently made the alleged remark......... he couldn’t give a toss
Lol
“This is where I was when I uttered that aberration.” Oh that was the only time I’ve ever said that in my life. I don’t even remember saying it. Doesn’t seem like he does
Ron Atkinson "put black footballers on the map in the U.K.", NO DOUBT about that,
and ACTIONS speak louder than WORDS.
yeah but werent the black footballers told to sit seperately fromthe white players ?
@@southhemitv5913 No.
Really...well being called the N word is a word bigger than action
@@bfc3057 Evidence please.
He’s just a big white supremacist softy
This is TV heaven.
Kinda obvious Ron was more sorry he got caught saying it than what he said, and feels he’s “over-apologised” now
When Max Clifford is taking a morale high ground over you, you know you messed up 😂
Also when Garth Crooks is calling someone stupid
Lmao 😂 this doco had me rollin
Can't help but love big Ron
Killer Clown lol aye
Am I the only one who feels like this entire documentary is about Mr. Atkinson justifying his own actions? If you're able to say THAT kind of stuff when (you think) nobody is listening/looking.. Your thinking process is that way, which means you ARE racist in my opinion..
I suspect many people under 40 will fully agree with you. Those of us over 45 will tend to think he' was a total twat but he grew up in a time when, undoubtedly, social attitudes were different. Not excusing it, merely explaining it. In time, you will also start to feel as if you can't keep up with the world around you , it happens to everyone eventually.
@@zargonthemagnificent330 totally agree. He is a product of his era, he is totally ignorant and doesn't really get it. I don't detect any malice in Ron Atkinson just ignorance. If somebody 40 years younger than him behaved like him I think I'd view him more harshly.
Wow we’ve come along way!!
A lot of people think like big Ron, they just hide it better.
Negative mentality.
of all races.
Scruffy Sandra Of course they are, but I’ve NEVER been with any of my black mates and heard them shout anti white stuff at any white person. Oh the other hand, the amount of times I’ve been called names by random white boys/males is quite a lot.. My parents didn’t raise me to dislike people based on race/religion.. I’m proud of that.
BFC have you ever been to America and spoken to blacks over there?? Ever been to South Africa and spoken to blacks over there..?? I have, and guess what??? West Indies not so much.
Scruffy Sandra my parents came to the uk back in the 60’s, as teenagers.. Worked hard all their lives, my mum still does 💪🏿. They taught us from a young age what we would face from white people, and they weren’t wrong. They also told us to rise above it, study/work hard and to TRY and get along with everyone. They also taught us that names don’t hurt, but if someone puts their hands on you...
‘Alleged’. What is he talking about??
At the time, the worst thing about this it felt to me was that it was said of Marcel D. Arguably one of the most successful hard working footballers of his time. A legend of the game who would be anything but lazy. In fact, Desaily and Deschamps grew up together at Marseille like brothers with a commitment to each other to out work everyone else on their way to the top. Now if he was called a lazy n***** after all he went on to achieve, what hope for us mere mortals. Big Ron at the time was my favorite CL host at the time. He commented on some great games; R Madrid v MAn UTd with peàk Zidane. Then that. Such a let down
What I keep thinking is what they say throughout the show - why would that be in his vocabulary anyway?!
Actually Cantona called Deschamps the 'water carrier' and the Chelsea Desailly wasn't the AC Milan or Marseille Desailly,he was lazier and more prone to errors.
"His mum is somewhere in Africa watching it from a tree" effing hell
sulley muntari back home. Never said Africa
Jack Evans yep it's in the context of the joke not in the opinion facts remain facts this guy assumed he meant Africa and so did you. Where does she actually live?
Jack Evans yup what lives in a tree then?
Jack Evans BIRDS
Jack Evans most common birds but bravo 👏
David Brent should have been sent on a racism awareness course. It was like The Office episode that never happened.
Get the guitar….
@@InstasampsHe went home to get it..
11:23 lol.....words of wisdom, there, from convicted sex offender Max Clifford
Hilarious that they go America to teach Ron a lesson and all the radio show callers are on Ron's side 🤣
it was a right-wing radio station in the deep south. are you surprised when you read the guardian's letter pages and they're all lefties?
Alabama, bible country, well I suppose it's some kind of America.
What's the song? @ 0:00 to 0:20 please
Watching this in 2024 is absolutely wild.
Imagine his thoughts on Pogba if he managed Manchester United now.
he is a pundit for MUTV lol
😂😂
He was one of the first managers to back playing black players at WEST BROM
@Bryan McDade 4 politicians who attend cabinet meetings are drawn from ethnic minorities. www.gov.uk/government/ministers I don't remember any black or Asian cabinet ministers in South Africa before 1994. I have also noticed Ben Carson is a member of President Trump's government and he is black. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_Donald_Trump
Ryan Giggs mooched his sister in law. This is wrong
Yes.
That was a short documentary.
Imagine itv putting this on the tv tonight!!!
He said how can I be racist, I like Bob Marley and Black Coffee
And swam in the black sea
And watch the all blacks at the world cup
Car crash tv. The equivalent of big Ron having a motorway pile up.
Fukin hey lol
it is actually enjoyable to see the producers haul him from place to place to try to reeducate him on what he has done. currently at 25 minutes and they have stuck him on a plane to the US to find out about the word he used
I just think its hilarious that this attempt to build back his reputation failed so spectacularly lol.
At one stage he kind of equates saying "this is a black day" to saying "Desailly is a lazy thick n****" lmao
He just dosnt get it and is completely ignorant to what even racism is?
@@irieite9666 this wasn't an attempt to build back his reputation, it was an effort to destroy the man, culminating in race-hustler in chief Darcus Howe telling him to scrub Rio Ferdinand's boots.
Anyone know the song that's used at the very beginning?
"You're the man that's going to batter me" 😁
Big Ron on a University campus in Alabama discussing use of the n word with undergrads..... So random, lol.
The Cameroon clip is the killer...in court that would destroy the defense lawyer's argument
The music is ace
Being paid several times more than brain surgeons for being a football pundit is such a good deal that very very few people get that you really ought to be without blemishes to do it. If he's "brought back" someone else will have to go, obviously. My question is why the hell should someone else be forced out when they haven't done what Ron done? Can anyone answer that? There isn't an infinite number of commentator slots. Why should someone else be fired or have their work reduced for Ron? Hmm?
“These are the sort of things you find offensive?”
Stood in front of a picture of a black man being eaten by an alligator 🐊🤦🏻♂️
31:10
Gotta love the fact that they used a song by Mos Def, a song which had a message and an actual reason beyond the superficial for using the n word, and played like 5 seconds without context.
@20:40 Ron never answers the question from Brendon Batson - Why Ron?
9 minutes in, loads of contributions from Ron and his mates and yet he still hasnt been confronted with what he said and when he finally is, he doesn't give a 5hit
Not true at all,he has apologised,said sorry,and held his hands up, what he hasn't done is gone over board/keep on apologising for it,that's all, you can tell he isn't racist,he was angry the night he said what he said,and he said something in anger,I've lost my control,and said stupid things in the past, don't hammer Ron,he really doesn't deserve it, Brendan Batson knows the score.
The weird thing is nobody ever manages to drive the point home to him. It doesn't help that he tries to learn about racism from a white racist phone-in in Alabama (lol).
As far as Big Ron is concerned, he has basically called Desailly the equivalent of a "wanker", and by the end of the programme his position hasn't really shifted. I think the only way to explain it to a white person might be to call their mother a cheap inbred whore or something along those lines - it's that ancestral slur and the baggage of slavery that makes the N-word much more offensive than a swear word. By using that word, you're not just insulting someone, you're bringing up all sorts of implications about their worth as a human being and their status in society.
Ron never grasps this. (I don't think he's a bad person, by the way. And I don't think he needs to keep apologising. I'm just surprised he never catches on to what all the black players are saying to him - usually very patiently and politely.)
@Undoctrinated I literally said he doesn't need to keep apologising? What makes you think I have a begging bowl? I work for a successful private company and I'm loaded!
@Undoctrinated no, I just thought he might show some empathy for people who don't like being called the n-word? Like a flicker of understanding at some point. He never does.
It was just a comment on a RUclips video. I have no desire for him to display any kind of emotional breakdown. You seem to be projecting a lot of your own inadequacies and troubles and pet peeves on to my original comment, which didn't cover half the stuff you've talked about.
@@andyw9255 he's a racist to. Dont worry, they try to pretend its political correctness. But they know in their hearts what they mean by it. Ron isn't a bad bloke but he is definitely prejudiced and a racist regardless of his actions, I dont think he has any respect for black people beyond what they can do in service for him, he's just not as stupid as other racists who think theyll only get something of value from a white person. So his record as a manager doesnt deter me from calling him a racist, because Cyril Regis etc. were exceptional players who Ron had the sense to play
@@andyw9255😂😂class insults. It obviously hit a nerve!
Apparently that's when I made the alleged remark.
Jesus.
As David Gray sings, "Some things you say you can never repair." Spot on.
Exactly ✌
That wasn’t the lyrics 😂
Anyone else feel that Adrian Chiles’s (admittedly natural) nonchalant tone sets the wrong mood for this programme?
We need to forgive Big Ron, he's a product of his time. He's paid the price for what he did.
I agree and that coming from a black person like myself. Every one makes mistakes.
@Richard Carpenter what he said was racist and stupid. It doesn't mean that he is inherently a white supremacist but there was no way he could have kept his job after that.
@@tgmartin Certainly not in a society full of sanctimonious finger waggers.
In Alabama why was he smiling along with those racist hicks on that FM radio show? Shouldn't he be shaking his head in disgust? That's what I'd do - we'd all do.
@@elvisleeboy yes, there are sanctimonious finger waggers out there but he was stupid to say what he did.
Ron is a legend
"This is a black day".... lol he can't help himself 🤣🤣🤣
Imagine if Ron was commentator for England/Italy shootout in Euro final
Gotta have a larf. This piece of propaganda is a black comedy and Ron is going with it. Just like any media pundit up your throat.
The irony of Darcus (the professional race victim) Howe telling Ron he doesn't give a "monkeys".
11:45 " I said this is a blackday innit?....shouldn't have said that"
I bet Ron take his coffee strong and black ☕💪
Coffee without milk
@C L almond milk for me :D
In one word! Yes ron
: Ron is not a racist, he was politically incorrect, in politically correct times, that’s all slow to move with the times, Thanks for all you’ve done Ron sorry for how things turned out.
You’re full of shit
As a young Newcastle fan I'm ashamed to say I joined in with some of the racist chants in the 70s. My excuse? I was 14 and stupid. I grew up and I look back on those (mercifully short) times with shame. Ron didn't have the excuse of age on his side. He's a racist whatever excuses he makes.
Bullshit, when you were round your own people you were tribal and as tribes do you mocked outsiders, just like ALL tribes and ALL colours do, now you've left the tribe you feel vulnerable and walk around on eggshells scared to offend while others remain tribal towards you, don't try flogging your fear as 'moved on' or enlightened
@@callithowiseeit5806it's not "walking on eggshells" it's realising that there are haIfwits and treacherous to$$ers in your own "tribe", so mocking other "tribes" as if they're any worse than you, is the act of a tragic terminal wally.
@@callithowiseeit5806exactly . Am man united fan. Do I think the " Charlton in box" City fans need a dox..... grow up idiots having a laugh n being idiots
A new sky sports Saturday with Ron Atkinson, Rodney Marsh, Geoff Hurst & Andy Gray would be great
“As out of data as his hairstyle”🤣🤣🤣
Can believe the amount of times they use that word on this video. Unbelievable !
you could play a drinking game and end up in hospital :P
And he was never seen or heard of again
Love how his only player highlight was hitting the post
Yes, probably but there are levels.
Time, context and intention.
16:55 Shocking commentary from back in the day, '2 coloured players combining beautifully there' 😭😭🤣
In a way that was worse than what Ron said because it was said knowing it would be heard on camera.
@Kevin Burrow In the US police officers kill you for being black
You can't judge comments made in 40 or 50 years ago by todays standards, even black.players referred to themselves as coloured in those times.
Not really. Even Muhammad Ali used the words "negro" and "coloured" as they were respectful terms back then. Language is evolving all the time.
Difficult to feel any sympathy for him, after 24 years of being very well paid for mostly stating the obvious. He got away with a similar offensive comment 14 years earlier, so he had a good ron.
love you BIG RON
I agree with the cleaning Rio’s boots. Ron’s wrong and should have been more conciliatory but a man should ALWAYS stand to shake another’s hand. 🖐🏻
Yes, but that would denote respect and Ron Atkinson's a "white" (orange to be more precise) man so Mr Howe didn't need to stand. I bet it was a bloody weak handshake too! If Atkinson had agreed to clean Ferdinand's boots (have we all forgotten the "Rio/Lampard spit-roasting?!) what exactly do you think that would've proved or achieved? Do you think a single person would've said; "okay, so he can't be racist because he cleaned Rio Ferdinand's boot for 10 weeks"?! I personally would've felt even less kindly disposed towards Mr Atkinson if he'd gone along with that.
I think in Ron's case, he came from a period where saying the N word is not a big deal, but I generally believe he is a good human being
All in all, a good watch. Thanks for posting
its amazing that somebody as thick as ron atkinson was once the manchester united manager
Ridiculous. Big Ron is an amazing man.
Ron Atkinson deserves better than this. I really, really feel for him. He is a talent.
He's a JERK!!!!
Nah. No sympathy. A highly rude dinosaur with old really insulting views.
@@mediacenterman8583 Go and have a lie down. zzzz
@@timidater4803 Go and take a long walk through a lion enclosure.
Yeah. He's a talented RACIST!!
What's the music 57 minutes in?
'I didn't realize I said it'.......classic!!
Haha Max Clifford lol
Max Clifford is dead
Had a heart attack in the sex offender wing in prison after trying to clean his cell! What a way to go!!
MAX CLIFFORD A DEAD DOG
Ron & Max....2 relics of a backward bygone era....