It's naive from Edd to think that the return from these kinds of races will help other venues like Spa. If anything, it puts them at more danger because F1 and Liberty Media only care about profit and will double down on bringing more races like this to the calendar
Ultimately they want to "Americanised" the sport. American sport is filled with off-pitch drama, media circus, big egos and talking heads. In contrast, European motor racing had been the traditional home of the ultimate rich nerds who are obsessed with motor vehicles and every minute details. The drivers can be a flamboyant playboy, but at its core it is still a battle of the garage. Everybody is rude but straight forward. Now, they want drivers to be on elaborate ceremonies, to answer the media, to participate in nonsenses like DTS. Sure, it makes more money, but there's a reason even the NFL TV ratings have been on the decline. A sport with substance can sustain itself through thick and thin.
Seemed to me like all this was selective outrage because the location. One of the few races the broadcast could NOT keep up with wheel to wheel battles.
@@Liam94Smith I mean thats just the modern F1. We even have drivers doing goofy stuff on youtube, IG and virtual racing on twitch. We got Max driving a monster truck or Yuku racing in reverse on the RB youtube channel. That all wasn’t there during Mika vs MS days. Just watch the race and switch off if you don’t want to see it. Let the people who want to have the option.
The race was great fun, but everything leading up to it was a massive cock-up. Let's not forget that people have paid a half-month salary for that practice 1 & 2 ticket, only to see one abandoned by sheer incompetence from the organisers before being send home ahead of the second session, and then get ''compensated'' with a voucher for merchandise. Its a complete and utter scam, and the fact that we saw good racing should not be used to justify or hide the problems that came before.
@@Adama.1 tickets and hotel prices fell down to earth as we got closer to the weekend but the whole 3 day pass and with hotel, flights, food, etc. It was still pretty expensive
While the track itself definitely brought alot of goodwill, you only need to notice how often interviewers keep asking drivers and TP's about being in Vegas than about the race itself.
As a Las Vegas resident and mild F1 fan, I'm F1's prime demographic (high net worth, I own a McLaren 600LT and I love cars but I'm fairly new into racing). There's a lot of Vegas residents like me that could very easily been indoctrinated into F1. But this whole event left a really sour taste in all the resident's mouths. Even walking across the pedestrian bridges was a lesson in harassment because the security guards would scream at you to tell you to move if you spent more than 3 seconds looking at the race. F1 took every precaution to ensure that only people who spent thousands of dollars were able to get a glimpse at the cars. Instead of making the whole event positive, getting people excited to have it in town, and encouraging people to want to get CLOSER to the event and buy tickets next year, everyone just felt like it was a greedy pretentious event that they don't want to come back next year, including myself. F that.
@@johanfeenstra8778 It absolutely is. On race day, I decided to go home and pay to watch the race online. So I signed up, I paid, and I tried to watch it but got an error that said I must disconnect my external monitor in order to play the video stream. I guess it's an anti piracy measure. But I want to watch it on my big screen TV, not my little 13" laptop. So I ended up pirating it. Lol yes it was actually easier to pirate it. Oh well. I tried to do the right thing but their own greed came back to bite them in the ass, lol.
Don't think it's F1, cause it isn't like that in Monaco or Singapore and such, but the American Vegas organisers who want to make even more money out of it.
@@greatBLT And the track layout is frankly not exciting. It doesn't mean there won't be any overtakes, it only means that most drivers want more than 3 gigantic straights and a bunch of 90° corners and little to no elevation change. The race itself being good or bad is a totally different question. Maybe not for us watching, but for the drivers, definitely.
I hope there is a class action lawsuit for the people who weren’t even apologized to at the end of the day. The opening “show” should not include the drivers as they all seem to hate it. Just let it be for the fans who want to party and have fun. The rules need to be changed so what happened to Carlos does not happen again.
I really like nearly all of the drivers on the grid, but that doesn't mean I want their time wasted doing silly showmanship stuff for my entertainment. If they are the drivers for the "pinnacle of motorsport", treat em like kings and not entertainers!
@@auridion2037 I totally see your point. But this is a business, and you are not the target audience for this race. It is new fans, that never have seen an F1 race before. That being said, no other sportsmen that entered Las Vegas in the recent past (Golden Knights; Raiders) had to endure such. Blame DTS for making these drivers more like movie stars than sportsmen.
The problem is the organizers thinking they know what the fans want (excessive entertainment and side show) so they justify to themselves jacking ticket prices to pay for all of that, when in reality nobody really cares about that stuff, but are being forced into buying absurdly priced tickets just to see the race as a result. Leading to inevitable disappointment when any little thing goes wrong.
I stopped watching any sky f1 coverage years ago, if there aren't cars on the track I'm not watching. It's not just the organisers that don't know what fans want. The same is true for the entire media machine covering it. Sky for example seem to have decided to only talk about Merc. They did a podcast recently and all the comments were from fans asking why their driver/team never get any coverage. The next 3 videos from sky ONLY focused on Merc. It's like they actively don't want to cover things the fans want to see.
AND I think you dont understand the American public. you must see this as a new fresh attempt to reach American wider audiences, investors and perhaps racing teams. and this was a statement. now, you gotta see that a lot of people watch the supper bowls for the half time act. Super bowls produces almost half a BIllion in ad revenue, and similar to the host city. Why did F1 go through the trouble of being its own promoter? to maximise revenue. The idea clearly is to make Las vegas a huge calendar date in the US, do you know Artists in the superbowl halftimeshow are paid nothing?? but they see their sales grow 300 % in the following months. Thats the power F1 hopes in the long term achieve in the US. I, dont really like this pathway either, but as long as the spirit of F1 keeps being what it is. I will be happy
The race literally had multiple overtakes…Charles actually overtaking max and checo…multiple close racing crashes…What more does it have to deliver to have more “sport” to it? The race and track delivered. Stop denying it. It’s just cringe and shows your hate towards America
@gasoowannab that's what most of the criticism boils down to. America shouldn't have 3 races I hope it fails and proves my hate right. Just elitism from Europeans that don't want America in their sport. It's the same reason the FIA treats indy car like a redheaded step-child when it comes to super license points.
@@gasoowannab What you say is true, F1 created huge hype around the race which was justified in the end, but that along with what happened on Friday, could have come back and bit them if it was just another "usual" 2023 race, as most would expect coming into the weekend. If such racing can continue in Las Vegas without the dangerous, yet preventable incident that took place in FP1 and the middle finger towards fans in FP2, then it would truly be a great show.
@@gasoowannabdon't want to be mean but do you call long straights with drs and lack of track knowledge good racing , I think you didn't watch last race before that. I can say lv brought some good moments but I take interlagos or suzuka at any time for pure skill-performance not for sheer luck. Otherwise let's follow Eccleston's idea and bring water sprinkles in random sections of the race track.
Honestly the race was pretty good in my opinion. But there wasn't really any reason for it being in Las Vegas, they way they have contructed the barriers, stands, etc., looking at the onboards, you could see very little of the city from the track, and from what I understand the organizers made damn sure you couldn't see the race from the city either, without buying a ticket...so it might as well have been 20 miles outside Las Vegas in the desert.
Max Verstappen has proven himself a worthy ambassador of F1. You can hate him by calling him a spoiled brat, or by being one of the best drivers in the history of this sport, but no one can deny he wants what REAL F1 fans want. Proper race tracks, accesible opportunities for anyone who wants to enjoy the sport can do so, and for the race to shine on it's own. Old fashioned, classic and timeless F1.
He's with no doubt one hell of a driver... but sometimes he's way too arrogant (see the 5 sec penalty team radio for example)... plus,he's getting away too many times with penalties that every other team would have got (ocon impeding last example)
@@broeretop1 even worse if he retaliated... i mean if you don't like certain actions done by other drivers, you open your comms and tell your team principal what happened ,you don't fuck up his qualy because he tried to overtake you,in order to get space
I would be happy if the money made from these races that are designed to make money is used to help keep historic and iconic races alive. So the money can be used to support spa so if spa losses money it can be off set. My worry is that only races that make money will continue even if the racing is bad. That in the long run will kill f1 more than anything else
in the end if the iconic track lose their place and only track with money will appear, I think f1 cannot go without average fan. you would have to be loaded to go watch live races where some European races are quite cheap to go with families and don't break the bank.
I don't see Liberty and F1 using that money to support races that don't make a lot of money. If they can't even be arsed to compensate people properly that had a Thuesday ticket, you think they are going to give millions to a track like Spa?
As a TV viewer I totally agree. Use the money from the new desert tracks to pay for the historic tracks - unfortunately for fans attending in person Spa and Monza also seem to treat locals and fans like shit.
@@y.a.p8951 Iconic tracks aren't losing their space. Every track has a contract with F1 they pay and some are having trouble coming up with the funds either because they can't make the money because they don't have the fan base or they haven't set themselves up financially to make the funds if fans aren't their to fill in the monetary holes. Spas contract is one of the 4 lowest on the circuit and not even half what Bahrain pays. But in Germany both Hock. and Nurb. have said it is not economically viable to hold races at either track. That's not F1 dropping them but the tracks dropping themselves from the lineup. Their is no racing governing body that can go around spending 10s of millions of dollars to hold races on tracks that are going to lose money on a race that the track didn't even put money into holding. That's a totally absurd expectation.
Yes, max was right in his criticisms. All of them. The fact that you have to rationalize this as a commercial exercise is the exact problem. This is exactly why when fans were booted before p2, they weren't refunded their money and were instead given merch vouchers. This whole thing has been very Vegas, which is to say, highly unethical, and soulless. They deserve to be sued for their actions
I don't think you can even get very far with these vouchers, because the prices in these merchandise shops are just as overpriced as the ticket prices...
If F1 was really about the sport and not the show, we would have stopped racing at Monaco a long time ago. The worst circuit to race on, with cars that have long outgrown the track, and being the absolute worst race to watch with TMC directing coverage (ignoring that F1 TV's directing has been really subpar lately). Verstappen's praise of Monaco as Champion's league, was totally off-base.
I think there's a bit of a misconception of Max supposedly being this anti-Las Vegas GP activist. The street track and the show around it are just not really his cup of tea, but like Netflix, he very well understands the promotional value and doesn't mind getting on with it. But because the press, always up for a spicey quote, keeps asking him about this and he keeps giving his honest opinion, an image appears of an activist being constantly on the barricades to cancel this event.
I don't think it's verstappen. I think places like miami and lv are scared for criticism , only searching for positive assurance. the best examples are question to ferrari principal after Sainz car damage and podium interview max's with coulthard.
@@roytoy He well-understands that the sport is reaching out to a wider audience and that regardless of the crowd, the promotional value of this race is enormous. Also in interviews, he has acknowledged the importance of big money behind events like this, which in the end helps his bank account as well. So as much as he personally prefers the purist part of the sport, he has in plenty of interviews (especially the Dutch ones) accepted the reality of it.
They could've just build a track outside the city and done their party events and what not in the city at the F1 building. That'd have solved all their problems.
Love Max Verstappen comments! Just streat for the troth ! People who doesn't understand that are probably not Dutch! But I think a lot do understand! About the Race, those long tracks were simple for Red Bull cars, becouse they hve the fastest cars.
A ‘more commercially successful’ F1 is not necessarily good for the fans. It’s good for shareholders and other stakeholders - including journalists like The-Race - who depend on the sport for their livelihood, but it does nothing to improve the sport or fan experience.
The race was only interesting because of the safety cars, if there had been no incidents it would've just been one big DRS train the whole race. I think it's worth thinking about how F1 clearly favour big money street circuits like Vegas and Saudi whilst leaving classic tracks with actual history off the calendar, such as Hockenheim, Portimao, Mugello, Nurburgring etc. Using phrases like "growing the sport" and "appealing to new fans" to justify going to these big money, non historical circuits is just going to push away the older generations of fans who made the sport as big as it is before the Liberty Media takeover.
This entire generation is a DRS train. I don't think returning to tracks designed for cars of 50 years ago will offer the excitement you claim it would.
Verstappen was right to criticise the show, fans are even filing a class action lawsuit against the grand prix, the ridiculous show was annoying and obviously just F1 milking vegas dry. The race was good, even though the track surface was bad and the drivers were shunting quite a bit, but that does not negate the mess that was the rest of the weekend.
Las Vegas definitely looks way better at night. But night also includes 8-9pm. Running the sessions around 1am was just dumb. The track isnt rubbered in and youre running it during some of the colder hours of the night in frickin November.
I mean instead of Miami, F1 should have revitalized Watkins Glen which is a real driver's course with F1 history. Vegas was an odd choice, but I think everyone knew the first time in a city constantly being used was going to be a struggle.
The main problem with WG is that it isn't sexy enough for F1. It's in a field in western New York. If they're making noises about Spa being dropped because of $ reasons, WG has zero chance. Also, it's kinda close(American close, not European close) to Montreal. Assuming Montreal and Miami are our east coast races, Cota and Mexico in the middle, the third option should be out west somewhere. Laguna Seca or Sonoma being my preferred choices but F1 would probably do Long Beach before either of those "real" tracks.
Watkins Glen cannot support an F1 race even if it was upgraded to F1 safety spec. It is in the middle of nowhere- 5 hours from New York and 2 1/2 hours from Buffalo- and on top of that, it is so fast that it would likely be butchered. F1 has changed a whole lot since it was last there in 1980
NO!!! To "upgrade" the Glenn into a grade 1 circuit, they would ruin it. Tear the soul right out of the place. Indy is already a grade 1 circuit, and actually put on a decent show from 02-07 minus 05. I was at every Indy race, and a couple hundred bucks got me a grandstand seat for the whole weekend. I wish they would go back there!
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN Exactly. 100 percent. Watkins Glen is a backwater, and if there is going to be a 3rd F1 race w/Austin and Miami it has to be out west.
I think my only reservation about F1 cars on Watkins Glen is that a lap would be about 50 seconds long at full pace. Although, that wasn't an issue for the 2020 Sakhir circuit, so...
This “event” is undeniable proof that a media company owning a racing organization is a TERRIBLE business model. BOTH companies have a interest in making an insane profit through directly opposing ways of generating it. Offering in store credit to compensate your customer base who dropped some serious cash to only get shortchanged and asked to leave is mind boggling! When the final numbers drop Liberty AND F1 will make damn sure they leave with million$. Vegas will be lucky to break even. They sold us a lovely T-bone steak and served it on a trash can lid and expect to be welcomed back. European arrogance on full display if you ask me.
European arrogance?? Liberty Media are American, they have pushed the US agenda as the commercial rights holders of F1. Miami and Vegas are pure vanity projects with drivers being introduced as if it were a game show, they’re racers and just want to get on with racing. Every time F1 wants to do a new race we end up on a street track! Not purpose built race tracks, if that’s what they want then they can go buy Indycar and fill their boots. If they want to learn how to introduce F1 to the US then look at how COTA has been done it’s been a natural growth and it’s now an event a vast majority of fans look forward to, it’s a great track, never disappoints on racing but here we are talking about another cringe inducing F1 weekend in America.
Liberty media, the company that is needing F1 into what it is. Its American but yeah pop off bro, those euros amirite. And I've not got a horse in this race as a Canadian.
@@justinmiller5660 "it's not like F1 was dying before a company that knows how to promote took over" No it wasn't. Also, let's not pretend it was Liberty Media who got the Budget cap installed, because they did fuck all to make the sport more sustainable.
I’d have to agree with Max. I wish my home state Wisconsin would get Road America set up for a safer but great F1 race. I loved seeing cars race there and superbikes. It’s a quality track. It has huge areas for fans to walk by and sit and watch awesome races. The le mans series which I’ve watched there several times, was always fantastic. The seating is great and fun. Parking is easy. Hell I got to do a bicycle trace there once for charity . It’s beautiful. Yes I’m just a bit of a fan. But it’s sweeps, long straights, the carousel and right angle turns as well as up hill finish is just great. But it has had a 50/50 between drivers. So yea. There’s that. So F1 , ditch la come to Wisconsin.
NO YOU DO NOT! To "upgrade" any of the classic tracks here, like Road America, Mid-Ohio, the Glenn, etc. would ruin them!!! It would take all the soul out of the place, and it would never be the same. Let's keep our good tracks good! Indy is already grade 1. Of any of the tracks here, maybe Sonoma would be ok after the grade 1 upgrades.
I love RA and Elkhart as a second home. I do fear what F1 would do to that area. No matter, it's unrealistic for F1 to come to rural wisco (even if it is God's country). It's just the direction F1 is going in. They replace great tracks every year with races in desert kingdoms. Der Geist ist verloren.
And that is just how clickbait works, they know exactly what Max is bothering. He is just a pure racer and cares about nothing around it, Lewis is the opposite, he likes fashion and attention with his fancy new clothes all the time....Max just wearing his race suit all the time...We all get the picture i think. Some have bigger balls than others...Max ones are humongous.
@StephenMorganCanada Well it's not just Vegas. Miami also has plenty of BS stuff. The US always loves to try and make everything "the biggest show on earth" with little substance of value. Suzuka every ticket holder can do a track walk on Thursday while the drivers are having their track walk and go into the pitlane. That is way more entertaining than some silly concerts they spend millions on in the US.
Only thing i hated about the event is they priced out the standard fan. Last race i went to was COTA the year Ham clinched the title and it was 450 bucks for general ticket. I knew Vegas would be more expensive but damn...they were sure heavy on it.
They'll learn from this year and will build in more tickets and options for the everyday fan next year. For the 99.9% of people who watched on television, it was one of the best and exciting races of the season.
@@timr672 I just got an email today for deposits options for 2024. I may do Miami or Mexican GP next year instead if going back to COTA or trying Vegas. The cool thing about COTA is the ability to walk around and get close to track in basic sector 1 up to the beginning of the back long straight
I've only been to COTA. Would actually love to visit Mexico for the race. Are the tickets you were emailed regarding premium or general passes? Have you noticed that it's worth buying in advance or is it better to buy secondary market tickets closer to the race? Thanks! @@prostreetbeetdhd4586
I'm anxiously waiting to see ALL of the final numbers for hotels, restaurants, and local venues, including the cost to taxpayers as compared to a normal pre-Thanksgiving November week in Vegas. I guarantee there are huge losses. And they want to do this for another 10 years???
@errolmclaughlin1482 F1 paid millions for specific sites and venues. The race was also supported with taxpayer dollars. I'm talking about the overall economic impact to the strip and Vegas. I visited during mid-October, saw the mess, and warned others to stay away. Many followed my lead and delayed additional travel to Vegas until F1 was completed. Do you know how much Vegas takes in on a typical pre-holiday week? Take a look at the Arco station story located on Flamingo Road and Koval Lane. These narratives occurred all over Vegas and the anticipated turnout for the F1 race was not as projected. We'll see the numbers in a few weeks.
F1 seems to be continuing to focus on everything outside of the on track action and moving further away from being accessible for fans. The spectacle drives costs and therefore ticket prices up and moves attending a race further and further away from most fans. F1's responses are also usually corporate speak rather than caring for the fanbase.
whatever who cares, track safety is most important. It was a fp2 delayed late into the night..... you wanna talk about fans who got screwed, US GP 2006 and Spa 2021. This weekend was great fp3, qual, and race.
As an American, I think this exposure to Las Vegas is a massive shock to many around the world. The show off the track and hype of all of it is Las Vegas for any major event so it was very normal for Americans because even we will say “Well, that’s Vegas”. You can ask everyone who is a hockey fan and how much they hated (some still hate) the pre show event for Las Vegas Golden Knights games. If you have something in Vegas, it will always be over the top. I am just happy that the racing was great so it can actually make the pre show of it all forgivable to an extent
Too much is being made of "the show". If you don't like the show, don't go to it. Just go to the race. There is a lot of "show" surrounding the Indianapolis 500. Corny show, like you'd expect at Indy, but still lots of show. If you don't like it you can always skip it and just show up for the race. If you're watching on TV, just turn it on when the race starts and turn it off when the race ends. There's a lot of "show" in big NASCAR races like Daytona and Charlotte. I just DVR the races and skip all the bullshit. Result, no show, just race.
But the racetrack itself is not very technical, Norris and Sainz got shafted by flaws with the track that should not have happened, Free Practice ticket holders were asked to leave, there was oil on the track with the start, I don't really like all the fences and no public on the long straights. I also think it was quite expensive to buy tickets, though I did not double-check that one. Only read it somewhere. Contrary to many other people, I liked the show and all the singing. All those laser lights and effects. Wonderfully done. All in all, I just think this is a different flavor and once people are used to it, they will start to accept it. As long as other tracks can do their own thing and Liberty Media does not use Vegas as a blueprint for other tracks to follow, in which F1 is a sideshow to everything else that is organized, then it should be good. @@RRaquello
The race itself was good, but event was a complete disaster. It was a construction nightmare for months for the people living in Las Vegas and the fans who paid thousands of dollars couldn't watch a damn thing and got bullied and verbally abused by security. There are tons of videos of security pretty much being violent with fans and treating them like criminals.
Hotel rooms where raided by Police , search for guns. It happend not only F1 fans but olso F1 journalist and even two F1 drivers. And all whitout a search warrant.
You obviously don’t live in Las Vegas. I don’t think any locals were affected by the construction or road closures. The Tropicana exit construction (nothing to do with race) is what’s really chaffing the local commuters
@@lom2981 That's funny because I just typed "Las Vegas F1 road blocks" on Google and found several news articles about people being at F1. Here's one of headlines: "'I Hope It Bankrupts Them': Las Vegas Residents Enraged Ahead Of Formula 1 Grand Prix Jalopnik spoke to 15 people who visited, live in, or work in Las Vegas. The F1 race has left them feeling scammed, browbeaten, and furious at organizers" I've also seen videos of people complaining about it. But hey, all those people must be haters. If you say it's all good, then I'll believe you.
@lom2981 There has been a lot of people claiming to be from Las Vegas as well as publications talking about problems in Las Vegas because of F1 and the construction. I am not from Vegas, but I am inclined to believe that it was a massive inconvenience
The way DC kept on going on about how amazing everything was and seeking validation from the drivers in the post-race interviews got on my nerves a bit. The race was good, don't get me wrong, but the way F1 was so desperate to get validated was just sad and annoying.
Can't believe I agree with Verstappen, but yeah I would like to see more tracks like Portimao, Istanbul or Hockenheim rather than this circus. And also is there a number of how much money is enough? maybe there should be 3 races in vegas so that fia has money for the future of the sport.
Max Verstappen decided it was time for a little less conversation and a little more action on Saturday as he did what he does best - winning Formula One races.
@@abbofun9022 Still mad about 2021and watching the man who dethroned their "goat" destroy every record in F1, he just took the record for most percentage of laps led from Jim Clark(1961)
I`m really curious what are the newly set standards that mr. Wolff is talking about. I`m trying hard to find other than those that`ve been discussed in the video. Bad communication, 1% racing 99% show, safety issues on track, ridiculous hours and most of all, how dares he say no one watches FP1 in Europe. Mate what?
This turned out to be one of the best races of the entire season. But i think that FIA should cancel the penalty and refund the expenses for the Ferrari repairs after FP1.
everything besides the race itself proved why F1 is going in the wrong direction. Prioritising the show over the actual product isn't the way to go in motorsport, its supposed to be a celebration of the best engineers and the best drivers in the world, not a place where race fans die of cringe because of influencers who know nothing about the sport.
As messed up as it sounds. The real hardcore fans cannot grow the sport financially. End of the day its also a business. You need something like this here and there to bring new eyes (money) to the sport. It is the sad truth of all sports.
As an online watcher, the race was great fun, with more close racing than is the usual case and some fantastic overtakes. Fortunately not too many crashes on such a high-speed street circuit. After so much pre-race criticism, a good result for F1. I doubt that things will not be improved for next year's event. That is called "experience"
The points made at 4:00. This is only true IF races like spa can stay on the calendar and arent replaced with races that "are good for the growth of the sport ($$$)"
Let's be very frank: the stated goal of this race was to attract new fans, especially new *American* fans. To that end, this weekend was a disaster for the sport. F1 not only came off as out-of-touch and prioritizing European fans, but also as arrogant and dismissive about legitimate criticisms and frustrations that fans and drivers had. Yeah, I mean, the race was good, but so was Suzuka. And the fact that I can't watch either at a reasonable time pisses me off. But at least with Japan, it's half way around the world, so I get it. Las Vegas, however, is literally in my home country! The FIA needs to make significant changes to the race's logistics and planning if they're gonna attract new American fans, which, let's recall, *is the goal.*
You're being frank, but not very clued in apparently. The timetable was negotiated by Las Vegas, they wanted the impact on locals as small as possible (understandably), hence the night driving. Has nothing to do with Europe or viewers elsewhere. The race was on at Sunday morning 7AM in my local time... and that would be the same for most of Europe plus or minus one hour.
I think between what Max said and what Straw said about the bigger picture can be compromised as a middle ground. Max's main issue was the pomp and it was overwhelming, it was every Vegas stereotype thrown into one events. Now, what Straw said was also true, these spectacles are needed to fund the real race tracks. The middle ground I propose is to make the pomp and circumstance *racing oriented* make it like nothing else in Vegas. No overbearing stereotypical motifs like gambling, Elvis impersonators, and celebrities. Make it the racing world cranked up to 11, bring Hoonigan for some pre-race stuff to get people hyped, start the race earlier, and make tickets cheaper. Make it an affordable, all encapsulating racing experience with the Grand Prix as the main event.
Despite some teething pains, I thought the race was fantastic, maybe the best of the year. The shots of the cars going around The Sphere were stunning.
Max is an introvert and introverts don't like all the showbiz BS. He's there to race and just wants to race. Putting on fancy dress, like an Elvis suit is an absolute 10/10 on an introverts' list of hateful things.
Frankly this 'event' left a bad taste in my mouth. Never mind the very avoidable things that went wrong, this was very much a "Bugger the racing and the fans, let's make as much money as possible" situation. As exemplified by how the locals have been treated, the corners obviously cut, the idiotic price of tickets, and the shameful behaviour of one Toto Wolf... ...such 'priorities' don't bode well for the long term health of the sport.
I'm American and this is just my opinion, but if you ask me, this whole reliance of adding super flashy and big spectacle events is starting to show its colors. I've been to Vegas before, it's a nice city, granted I was only 11 when I went there in 2006, but yes, it's a nice city and a cool place to go. Everything about me was telling me I should be excited about this, yet I just couldn't find the capacity to be excited about this. Love him or hate him, Max does I think have a point when he says things like "99% show and 1% sporting event", "an event for the 1%", and everything about proper race tracks. All the flash and spectacle becomes just that when you take away the sporting event. I personally don't care about the spectacle as I just want to see a good race, although some might disagree with me. Now in this case we did get a good race, which is nice, but that doesn't cover up any of the other things. The fact that they were dropping ticket prices pretty dramatically a few days before the event tells me that they were simply pricing out too many people and they were just trying to save face so the stands don't look half empty. If that doesn't sound like "an event for the 1%", I don't know what is. The point is, it's one thing to have a bunch of flash and show, but I'd argue that there is such a thing as too much show. When the show overshadows the actual event, that's when I'd argue you're putting in too much show and not enough event. That's the problem I have with races like Monaco, Miami, and now Vegas. They're all show while not always delivering a good race. If you get a shitty race at Spa, you just get a shitty race at Spa. It's just that. If you put on a giant circus and get a shitty Miami race. It sucks the air out of the event, and to me just makes the whole event feel like a sham. Even the organizers of these oil rich Gulf countries seem to be able to understand this. Well, maybe other than Abu Dhabi and it's giant super expensive to stay in hotel that looks like a dick. Tourism my friends! Now I know that there will be some who will say things like "but this is Vegas" "everything needs to be a spectacle in Vegas". And I really don't know what to say to that other than saying that maybe we should have a giant circus and more flash at Interlagos and the Hungaroring, because it's Interlagos and the Hungaroring! The Vegas race could've been a good event. It was a good race. But at some point they forgot about the sporting event. A good sporting event should include a good race. Not here's a bunch of flash and fake Yachts on fake water to distract you from the terrible race.
The Las Vegas GP is my closest F1 race, so we decided to go down at the last minute. However, for the price of the tickets and accommodation, I could fly halfway around the world and enjoy 3 days of motorsport, not just F1 sessions, and I wouldn't have to freeze in-between in the 12°C warmth of Vegas in November. I'm sure it was great for all the people in the Paddock Club and the enclosed suites by the Bellagio and Caesar's Palace, but even with the high prices, I bet it made up less than 2% of the total revenue for the event. Catering for the uber-rich isn't a sustainable plan.
1 am race in the US is wildly odd choice if trying to bring in new fans. Obviously if overseas it’s one things but a home race being at that time is crazy
I have family that pay their rent and living expenses in LV for years. Had to dip into savings to pay rent and food. They said they made 5% of their usual tips, were sent home, unpaid leave if you will during the race, construction or plain couldn’t get to work. All this when the coming days are going to slow in LV for Thanksgiving, a slow period. Best seat was watching on TV yet the F1 didn’t tell ESPN and cable, dish customers when the next practice was so most subscribers didn’t get it recorded while sleeping or even think it would happen. It needs a class action lawsuit to rattle their gilded cage.
The naivety of Edd Straws comments are unbelievably shocking. Liberty media has shown time and time again that money is the only thing they are interested in. There is no chance, absolutely none that the money made at tracks like las Vegas will be used to keep tracks like spa on the calendar. If anything, it contributes to the chances of it being removed. It's a crying shame. Unfortunately, there is nothing, an average Joe can do against the unnecessarily rich needing these kinds of events to show that they have money.
It started at 1am eastern. I wouldve loved to watch but when you work at 6am, thats never going to happen. Not a big enough fan to record it and watch it later
Max was right. When 3 of the best drivers during the first laps spontaneously spin the track under these circumstances is NOT fit for racing. We want to see all drivers race and finish unless they screw up or unless they have mechanical failures, but NOT unless they have bad luck with a poor track. And then a 20 minute drive to get interviewed only to return to the podium thereafter? Come on dudes that's cringy. And then the Free Practise incident? Just shows the track wasn't ready. And then offer the audience a $200 voucher so they can buy overpriced merchandise as compensation that cost $25 to produce at most? Oh please... And yes, apart from the race being ruined for Alonso, Sainz, Norris and some colleterals by the track itself, it was an eventfull race. But still Max was spot on!
This race had: * Overtakes on almost every corner on the track * DRS Overtakes * Overtakes under braking * Overtakes based on traction * Cars able to follow after being passed *Re-passes * 3-way fight for the win * Come-back drives * etc Basically every thing that "racing fans" have been complaining about being missing. Somehow the safety cars made all that happen? 🤔
The funniest part to me is people saying that Max is this completely anti-Vegas activist and then he shows up to race in a suit that look like Elvis and sings Viva Las Vegas over the team radio after the win 😂 I truly think that Max realizes that the spectacle of it is just part of how Vegas does things and he decided to embrace it a bit while still feeling like it’s a bit over the top. Vegas has built a name for itself by being completely over the top, so this is nothing new, and especially with F1’s entire goal being to bring new people into sport it is a lot easier to get people to be brought in by the spectacle and then watch the race and either think it’s awesome or not for them. Without the spectacle there’s a good chance they wouldn’t have watched the race in the first place
Honestly Max spoke the truth and that was my irritation about this Grand Prix, everyone saw this as an entertainment event instead of a Grand Prix, F1 is very lucky that the race was great.
Why? Miami at least is a purpose built track that doesn't cause a huge cluster fuck with road closures. Also at least the track doesn't look like an upside down pig. Seriously though, the Miami GP has more potential than Las Vegas, and doesn't have to be watched at ridiculous hours. If anything ditch Las Vegas AND Miami and stick with COTA and maybe add in Laguna Seca.
They didn’t have enough security in place for FP1 to allow fans to sit and watch the session but had plenty of security to kick people out of the venue? Got it.
All I know is the SkySports Official F1 broadcast call of the race has become pathetically biased to the point the absurd. They can't help but accuse RedBull of everything and anything while simultaneously contradicting themselves by claiming the Lap 1 incidents with drivers Max and Charles was just Max squeezing Charles off-track on purpose and Max intended to do this. Then they got to work for their Mercedes weekend obligations and said the very obvious and most likely reason every single car there was issues. It's a new track✔️, the first time anyone has ever done a start here ✔️, and the fact that it was very cold and the tires simply didn't grip. This was most likely the reason for this on lap one. Then after lobbying for this Lap 1 penalty against Max for the first 10 min or so they got their result and the race stewards gave them a 5 sec time penalty and now for the next 5 min Martin Brundle, David Croft, and other in-broadcast driver pundits all now we're not happy with just a 5 sec penalty nope they said he should be given a harsher penalty than another driver. If I were RedBull I would not give SkySports F1 anything other than post-race victory interviews. They are biased, rude, and obsessed with helping British drivers and teams and hurting the rest of the teams who beat their British teams and drivers.
Please relax. Max got his little 5s penalty, then broke his wing on Russell's car and they gave George the penalty instead of him so it all worked out and he won the race easily. And you are still mad...
The definition of “good race” being defined by button pressing to pass (DRS) is absolutely alarming for those who been watching this sport since the 80’s.
Honestly, I hope that the fans that started that class action law suit win. Its asinine that people paying the amount of money F1 is charging to watch F1 dont get to watch F1. F1 has shown many times now theyre happy taking money from fans, but are pressed to returning it when they get it wrong. *cough cough spa 2021
I'm with Max on his pre-race comments. I also feel bad for all the fans who think safety cars and tire strategy make the sport more interesting. They don't know what F1 used to be like before it decided to become more entertainment for the masses rather than sport for enthusiasts.
It was actually a pretty good race. It IS an amazing achievement, what was built in such a short timeframe. Certainly some missteps and room for improvement.
Fp 1 and 2 last minute entry tickets started from 200 usd.. asking people to leave was a bad decision....the organisers are now being sued. The Carlos penalty was downright shameful.. he was lucky to get away without major injuries. The direction of the cameras and replays was not great , many good fights were not shown realtime. It got better in the last 10 to 15 laps
I'm glad Max didn't hold back on his opinions, being as dominant as he is right now he's arguably the driver with the biggest voice, hopefully he's been heard and next year things are handled better, the race was great though
It was a good race on a crap track. Just like Valencia in 2012 the race been good doesn't change the fact that the track itself is dire. Only Miami is a worse track than this of those currently part of the F1 season. And Max is 100% right about all the show over sport nonsense!!!
I was in Vegas for a work thing for a few days before the race. I heard about it before getting there, but man did the F1 setup destroy downtown and the strip. They've been setting it up for three months, I can't imagine living through that; I feel for anyone that had to commute through that. For those who don't know, the strip isn't even Las Vegas, it's its own town called Paradise. They play by their own rules which is probably how this whole track was allowed to happen in the first place because money talks. I'd say the whole thing is a disgrace, despite that, it was a good race.
Max is 100% right about the show and the fans. Even on the podium none of the 3 drivers were really applauded and there were like watching a movie and pop-corn. No emotion hardly from the fans. And that should be the main goal. And they failed. But with Liberty media they want to enforce F1 in the USA now even with 3 races while most Americans don't really care about F1. And for sure not in Vegas. The other 2 races were a lot better with fans, but still it's not high on the nations ranking. And with football and F1 being one of the greatest sports on the planet it's crazy that the USA gets 3 races. That just shows they only care about the holy $
I'm sorry but I completely disagree with Edd. You're telling me that the money-makers of F1 & certain team bosses that want to line their pockets won't trade Spa for a 'new-standards' $$$$ race in New York? Come on, while Max has been a grumpy bugger all weekend his underlying concerns are valid.
The race was the best of the season in my opinion. And actually, I enjoyed the showman aspect of it all. I loved the helicopter shots of the city and the lights. It was sick.
"It was sick" might not be an argument that convinces older F1 fans such as myself. Brazil was sick, Mexico was sick, Austin was sick, Singapore was sick... We're already talking about the most exciting sport in the world here
If there's one thing Max will never do, it's going back on his word. The race was ok. It needed to be the race of the year to get over sheer cock-ups beforehand qualy, and headaches for the residents. Hopefully, there isn't a return for Vegas unless it's a permanent circuit
Thank you, for this "Well-Balanced" and Objective Review of this Event.......I watched the Race on TV and it was a Magnificent Visual Venue !.....However, if I was at the race and ORDERED to Leave....I would NEVER forget , how I was RUTHLESSLY Mistreated !! A $200 / credit for very Expensive Goods...is a SLAP IN THE FACE !!.....I am still a GREAT FAN of F1 , but I am DISAPPOINTED, how my Brother and Sister Fans were DISRESPECTED !!!......I Hope HUMILITY and FAIRNESS , will be a Priority for the Leadership at F1 in the Future......Godspeed..
As an American, I gotta confess there seems to be so much cringe hype surrounding our races...I don't like it. And it's embarrassing. But the race was good.
Max was critical about the race even before FP1. But he changed his view after won the race. Grow up man. Give some credit for the organisers, construction workers and even the LV residents who sacrifice their daily routine for this event takes place.
The race was entertaining with all the chaos and the lack of complexity of the track levelling the field for more teams. But it did not feel like a high quality race IMO. We want more teams to be able to battle on merit, not just due to randomness and chaos. F1 tracks need to strike a balance between entertainment for viewers and complexity to distinguish the good drivers and teams from the bad. This track is way too far in the entertainment side of things with so crude and simple corners and long fast straights. I hope they can maybe add more complex corners/chicanes/curbs or something for next year. Ideally also some camber changes, though that is difficult to add to a flat city track... And fix the grip. If we cannot race there during a suitable time of day, then we should not race there at all. And tone down all the bullshit stuff around the event and focus more on the actual sport. I am fricking sick of watching celebs, casinos or other nonsense while there is a race on...
It was on merit. Williams started 5 and 6. Alpine finished 4th. Your not going to have teams on equal footing because each team builds their own cars. Some are better than others period. The race was a close as it could be with back markers running in the top 5.
The race overall was decent enough, but it shouldn't take away from the fact that so much still needs to be worked on in terms of implementation. There's so much theatrics leading up to the weekend and yet FP1 fizzled out which pretty much I'd say scammed a lot of racegoers that day because they can't even watch FP2. At the very least they should be fully refunded and not just be dumped vouchers. That and also how expensive the tickets are. The fact they had to lower ticket prices going into the weekend shows they might have priced out too many fans already that they can't sell out.
I can tell you that the average Las Vegans hate this course. It's caused all sorts of rigmarole and difficulty for them, and the prospect of this being an annual event is disheartening.
I think it was pretty presumptuous of Max to presume every fan at the event wasn’t a real F1 fan. There’s 300k people who were there and not all were celebrities. European gatekeepers need to sit this one out.
This reporter does not seem to have a boundary between financial health and selling out the entire idea of F1. What F1 can do for this sport is to delude it. That is it.
Carlos getting screwed for something not their fault versus max getting 5 seconds for sending Charles off into the grandstands on t1 says a lot about how F1 feels about the sport Edit: max’s “send them my regards” might be the best sound clip of the year
@TheLuthorri not joking at all if low grip causes you to understeer at the start of the race and the only consequence was another driver had to go off track gets a 5 secondpenalty, but losing the rear-end of your car because of the same low grip but you damage other cars gets "turn 1 racing incident" is ridiculous. But I know you're not very smart, so I won't hold it against you.
How about set a ticket price limit so the average ticket price for Vegas isn’t 6 times the other most expensive races on the calendar, so people that actually watch and love f1 for the sport can afford to come to the race instead of it being a mass networking and sponsorship event.
Ive driven through Vegas 6 times on cross country trips and only saw fit to stop one. That was to get gas. The city is just so tacky and offers nothing for me. Go Max, he really showed his talent last night. Great drive King Max
Any city has nothing for me. I'm more of a wide open spaces kind of guy. My closest neighbor is a ways away on the other side of mine, and their pastures. Also over a hill, so I don't even see him. Road names are things like "township road 34" or "County road 318" (no those aren't real numbers. I'm not giving more than I live in the middle of nowhere in south central Ohio.) Keep your cities. I'll stay in the sticks.
Essentially saying that "if Vegas succeeds, Spa can survive" is a bit naive in my opinion. Even if F1 made big bank on the Vegas GP I doubt they'd put too much into securing Spa on the calendar. And I don't think a resulting viewership boom would help a classic European track either.
It's naive from Edd to think that the return from these kinds of races will help other venues like Spa. If anything, it puts them at more danger because F1 and Liberty Media only care about profit and will double down on bringing more races like this to the calendar
F1 fans are usually giant cigarettes that only love money so what’s the problem?
Ultimately they want to "Americanised" the sport. American sport is filled with off-pitch drama, media circus, big egos and talking heads. In contrast, European motor racing had been the traditional home of the ultimate rich nerds who are obsessed with motor vehicles and every minute details. The drivers can be a flamboyant playboy, but at its core it is still a battle of the garage. Everybody is rude but straight forward. Now, they want drivers to be on elaborate ceremonies, to answer the media, to participate in nonsenses like DTS. Sure, it makes more money, but there's a reason even the NFL TV ratings have been on the decline. A sport with substance can sustain itself through thick and thin.
The lead-up to the race was a fustercluck, but the race itself was one of the better ones of the year.
Still not quite as entertaining as the endurance races we had this year.
Seemed to me like all this was selective outrage because the location. One of the few races the broadcast could NOT keep up with wheel to wheel battles.
@@AlumnikiidIt’s not the location it’s the fakery surrounding it.
@@mintgoldheart6126i mean if you feel that way go watch endurance racing lmao. Problem solved.
@@Liam94Smith I mean thats just the modern F1. We even have drivers doing goofy stuff on youtube, IG and virtual racing on twitch.
We got Max driving a monster truck or Yuku racing in reverse on the RB youtube channel.
That all wasn’t there during Mika vs MS days. Just watch the race and switch off if you don’t want to see it. Let the people who want to have the option.
The race was great fun, but everything leading up to it was a massive cock-up. Let's not forget that people have paid a half-month salary for that practice 1 & 2 ticket, only to see one abandoned by sheer incompetence from the organisers before being send home ahead of the second session, and then get ''compensated'' with a voucher for merchandise. Its a complete and utter scam, and the fact that we saw good racing should not be used to justify or hide the problems that came before.
weren't the prices over 5k? Thats more than a month's worth of salary for many of those Americans. It's disgusting.
Same vibes as spa giving people a 2 lap “race”. Can’t blame it all on vegas. It’s F1 and their money hungry attitude
@@Adama.1 tickets and hotel prices fell down to earth as we got closer to the weekend but the whole 3 day pass and with hotel, flights, food, etc. It was still pretty expensive
Thursday only ticket was $150-250. (I went)
If you paid a half month salary then you’re the one who cocked up 😂
The safety cars definitely made this a much more interesting race overall wise, with the offset strategies and normally leading cars in the midfield
The safety car is what gave Max the win and took it from Charles.
@@jbarber1016tbf the safety car and vsc was what took the win away from Max in Singapore so tbf it feels kinda evened out
As always. Part of the reason NASCAR races are a lot more fun to watch, and especially to attend!!
Bring back refueling and multiple tire vendors if you really like multiple strategies!!!
@@brentweir4651 lol no
While the track itself definitely brought alot of goodwill, you only need to notice how often interviewers keep asking drivers and TP's about being in Vegas than about the race itself.
Most fans never criticised the track itself, but all the artificial stuff around it. And I still stand by that after the race...
@@benn87 no they were also criticising the track
@@BenulPlaysLas Vegas Strip Track for me is: Monza + Monaco + Suzuka 1998.
As a Las Vegas resident and mild F1 fan, I'm F1's prime demographic (high net worth, I own a McLaren 600LT and I love cars but I'm fairly new into racing). There's a lot of Vegas residents like me that could very easily been indoctrinated into F1. But this whole event left a really sour taste in all the resident's mouths. Even walking across the pedestrian bridges was a lesson in harassment because the security guards would scream at you to tell you to move if you spent more than 3 seconds looking at the race. F1 took every precaution to ensure that only people who spent thousands of dollars were able to get a glimpse at the cars. Instead of making the whole event positive, getting people excited to have it in town, and encouraging people to want to get CLOSER to the event and buy tickets next year, everyone just felt like it was a greedy pretentious event that they don't want to come back next year, including myself. F that.
F1 is here since 1950............
I am from the Netherlands and this GP feels like a big money grap.... This is not Formula 1 how i know it , and i watch it since the `90.
@@Irene-ym7bx I wasn't alive in 1950
@@johanfeenstra8778 It absolutely is. On race day, I decided to go home and pay to watch the race online. So I signed up, I paid, and I tried to watch it but got an error that said I must disconnect my external monitor in order to play the video stream. I guess it's an anti piracy measure. But I want to watch it on my big screen TV, not my little 13" laptop. So I ended up pirating it. Lol yes it was actually easier to pirate it. Oh well. I tried to do the right thing but their own greed came back to bite them in the ass, lol.
Don't think it's F1, cause it isn't like that in Monaco or Singapore and such, but the American Vegas organisers who want to make even more money out of it.
Max never criticised the race, only the amount of theater off the track.
He said that the track layout wasn't exciting, too
He could have just ignored it.
@@greatBLT And the track layout is frankly not exciting. It doesn't mean there won't be any overtakes, it only means that most drivers want more than 3 gigantic straights and a bunch of 90° corners and little to no elevation change.
The race itself being good or bad is a totally different question. Maybe not for us watching, but for the drivers, definitely.
he said the track was crap and he was proved wrong. imagine saying Monaco is champions league when it it the worst track on the calendar.
He really said the layout is the JV league while Monaco is NFL level grade …
I hope there is a class action lawsuit for the people who weren’t even apologized to at the end of the day. The opening “show” should not include the drivers as they all seem to hate it. Just let it be for the fans who want to party and have fun. The rules need to be changed so what happened to Carlos does not happen again.
There is a lawsuit about thursday
Of course there is, it the trigger-lawyer happy USA.
Is F1 even a sport?
I really like nearly all of the drivers on the grid, but that doesn't mean I want their time wasted doing silly showmanship stuff for my entertainment. If they are the drivers for the "pinnacle of motorsport", treat em like kings and not entertainers!
@@auridion2037 I totally see your point. But this is a business, and you are not the target audience for this race. It is new fans, that never have seen an F1 race before. That being said, no other sportsmen that entered Las Vegas in the recent past (Golden Knights; Raiders) had to endure such. Blame DTS for making these drivers more like movie stars than sportsmen.
The problem is the organizers thinking they know what the fans want (excessive entertainment and side show) so they justify to themselves jacking ticket prices to pay for all of that, when in reality nobody really cares about that stuff, but are being forced into buying absurdly priced tickets just to see the race as a result. Leading to inevitable disappointment when any little thing goes wrong.
I stopped watching any sky f1 coverage years ago, if there aren't cars on the track I'm not watching. It's not just the organisers that don't know what fans want. The same is true for the entire media machine covering it. Sky for example seem to have decided to only talk about Merc. They did a podcast recently and all the comments were from fans asking why their driver/team never get any coverage. The next 3 videos from sky ONLY focused on Merc. It's like they actively don't want to cover things the fans want to see.
AND I think you dont understand the American public. you must see this as a new fresh attempt to reach American wider audiences, investors and perhaps racing teams. and this was a statement. now, you gotta see that a lot of people watch the supper bowls for the half time act. Super bowls produces almost half a BIllion in ad revenue, and similar to the host city. Why did F1 go through the trouble of being its own promoter? to maximise revenue. The idea clearly is to make Las vegas a huge calendar date in the US, do you know Artists in the superbowl halftimeshow are paid nothing?? but they see their sales grow 300 % in the following months. Thats the power F1 hopes in the long term achieve in the US. I, dont really like this pathway either, but as long as the spirit of F1 keeps being what it is. I will be happy
@@suikamanti Someone gets it ☝️
@@suikamantiwell their efforts of maximising revenue are also very good surprisingly.
It’s 5% sport, 95% show. But this is what Las Vegas is all about.
It was also that in Miami.
The race literally had multiple overtakes…Charles actually overtaking max and checo…multiple close racing crashes…What more does it have to deliver to have more “sport” to it? The race and track delivered. Stop denying it. It’s just cringe and shows your hate towards America
@gasoowannab that's what most of the criticism boils down to. America shouldn't have 3 races I hope it fails and proves my hate right. Just elitism from Europeans that don't want America in their sport. It's the same reason the FIA treats indy car like a redheaded step-child when it comes to super license points.
@@gasoowannab What you say is true, F1 created huge hype around the race which was justified in the end, but that along with what happened on Friday, could have come back and bit them if it was just another "usual" 2023 race, as most would expect coming into the weekend. If such racing can continue in Las Vegas without the dangerous, yet preventable incident that took place in FP1 and the middle finger towards fans in FP2, then it would truly be a great show.
@@gasoowannabdon't want to be mean but do you call long straights with drs and lack of track knowledge good racing , I think you didn't watch last race before that.
I can say lv brought some good moments but I take interlagos or suzuka at any time for pure skill-performance not for sheer luck.
Otherwise let's follow Eccleston's idea and bring water sprinkles in random sections of the race track.
Honestly the race was pretty good in my opinion. But there wasn't really any reason for it being in Las Vegas, they way they have contructed the barriers, stands, etc., looking at the onboards, you could see very little of the city from the track, and from what I understand the organizers made damn sure you couldn't see the race from the city either, without buying a ticket...so it might as well have been 20 miles outside Las Vegas in the desert.
Solid 4⅕ stars overall. Spa and Singapore still deserve all 5 stars tho.
Max Verstappen has proven himself a worthy ambassador of F1. You can hate him by calling him a spoiled brat, or by being one of the best drivers in the history of this sport, but no one can deny he wants what REAL F1 fans want. Proper race tracks, accesible opportunities for anyone who wants to enjoy the sport can do so, and for the race to shine on it's own. Old fashioned, classic and timeless F1.
He's with no doubt one hell of a driver... but sometimes he's way too arrogant (see the 5 sec penalty team radio for example)... plus,he's getting away too many times with penalties that every other team would have got (ocon impeding last example)
@@SPProduction02If you check out the whole piece of footage, you could see Ocon overtaking Verstappen first during the warmup lap
Max is a great driver but worthy ambassador? NOT. Needs to remember without the fans there is no F1 and no multi million dollar contract.
@@broeretop1 even worse if he retaliated... i mean if you don't like certain actions done by other drivers, you open your comms and tell your team principal what happened ,you don't fuck up his qualy because he tried to overtake you,in order to get space
@@rdintAgreed. Max has a long road to prove himself worthy of that title
I would be happy if the money made from these races that are designed to make money is used to help keep historic and iconic races alive. So the money can be used to support spa so if spa losses money it can be off set. My worry is that only races that make money will continue even if the racing is bad. That in the long run will kill f1 more than anything else
in the end if the iconic track lose their place and only track with money will appear, I think f1 cannot go without average fan.
you would have to be loaded to go watch live races where some European races are quite cheap to go with families and don't break the bank.
I don't see Liberty and F1 using that money to support races that don't make a lot of money. If they can't even be arsed to compensate people properly that had a Thuesday ticket, you think they are going to give millions to a track like Spa?
I reckon you'd be surprised how little f1 races make and in fact, lose..
As a TV viewer I totally agree. Use the money from the new desert tracks to pay for the historic tracks - unfortunately for fans attending in person Spa and Monza also seem to treat locals and fans like shit.
@@y.a.p8951 Iconic tracks aren't losing their space. Every track has a contract with F1 they pay and some are having trouble coming up with the funds either because they can't make the money because they don't have the fan base or they haven't set themselves up financially to make the funds if fans aren't their to fill in the monetary holes. Spas contract is one of the 4 lowest on the circuit and not even half what Bahrain pays. But in Germany both Hock. and Nurb. have said it is not economically viable to hold races at either track. That's not F1 dropping them but the tracks dropping themselves from the lineup. Their is no racing governing body that can go around spending 10s of millions of dollars to hold races on tracks that are going to lose money on a race that the track didn't even put money into holding. That's a totally absurd expectation.
Yes, max was right in his criticisms. All of them. The fact that you have to rationalize this as a commercial exercise is the exact problem. This is exactly why when fans were booted before p2, they weren't refunded their money and were instead given merch vouchers. This whole thing has been very Vegas, which is to say, highly unethical, and soulless. They deserve to be sued for their actions
I don't think you can even get very far with these vouchers, because the prices in these merchandise shops are just as overpriced as the ticket prices...
@@benn87 oh absolutely. You're getting A garment, maybe 2 hats or lanyards 😂
Hear, hear
@dxrinc ok so for 2 hats you're still out of pocket for tax 😂😂
If F1 was really about the sport and not the show, we would have stopped racing at Monaco a long time ago. The worst circuit to race on, with cars that have long outgrown the track, and being the absolute worst race to watch with TMC directing coverage (ignoring that F1 TV's directing has been really subpar lately). Verstappen's praise of Monaco as Champion's league, was totally off-base.
I think there's a bit of a misconception of Max supposedly being this anti-Las Vegas GP activist. The street track and the show around it are just not really his cup of tea, but like Netflix, he very well understands the promotional value and doesn't mind getting on with it. But because the press, always up for a spicey quote, keeps asking him about this and he keeps giving his honest opinion, an image appears of an activist being constantly on the barricades to cancel this event.
I don't think it's verstappen. I think places like miami and lv are scared for criticism , only searching for positive assurance.
the best examples are question to ferrari principal after Sainz car damage and podium interview max's with coulthard.
@@roytoy He well-understands that the sport is reaching out to a wider audience and that regardless of the crowd, the promotional value of this race is enormous. Also in interviews, he has acknowledged the importance of big money behind events like this, which in the end helps his bank account as well. So as much as he personally prefers the purist part of the sport, he has in plenty of interviews (especially the Dutch ones) accepted the reality of it.
They could've just build a track outside the city and done their party events and what not in the city at the F1 building. That'd have solved all their problems.
The most common American reaction to the name Max Verstappen would be "Who?"
Love Max Verstappen comments!
Just streat for the troth !
People who doesn't understand that are probably not Dutch!
But I think a lot do understand!
About the Race, those long tracks were simple for Red Bull cars, becouse they hve the fastest cars.
A ‘more commercially successful’ F1 is not necessarily good for the fans. It’s good for shareholders and other stakeholders - including journalists like The-Race - who depend on the sport for their livelihood, but it does nothing to improve the sport or fan experience.
The race was only interesting because of the safety cars, if there had been no incidents it would've just been one big DRS train the whole race.
I think it's worth thinking about how F1 clearly favour big money street circuits like Vegas and Saudi whilst leaving classic tracks with actual history off the calendar, such as Hockenheim, Portimao, Mugello, Nurburgring etc. Using phrases like "growing the sport" and "appealing to new fans" to justify going to these big money, non historical circuits is just going to push away the older generations of fans who made the sport as big as it is before the Liberty Media takeover.
90% of the tracks are DRS trains
Monaco, the worst track on the circuit, says hi
@@ddha0000It’s the worst due to absolutely lack of straights but it’s the oldest one and more of a F1 parade rather than the F1 race
This entire generation is a DRS train. I don't think returning to tracks designed for cars of 50 years ago will offer the excitement you claim it would.
@@NicoMax1707for me around 96.8 percent of Las Vegas Track are DRS trains.
Verstappen was right to criticise the show, fans are even filing a class action lawsuit against the grand prix, the ridiculous show was annoying and obviously just F1 milking vegas dry. The race was good, even though the track surface was bad and the drivers were shunting quite a bit, but that does not negate the mess that was the rest of the weekend.
no dude, Max was a annoying moaning whiney brat as always. he had nothing to say for the fans.
It would have been so much better run in daylight. As it was the on track action felt detached and in a sea of soulless grey catch fences
Las Vegas definitely looks way better at night. But night also includes 8-9pm. Running the sessions around 1am was just dumb. The track isnt rubbered in and youre running it during some of the colder hours of the night in frickin November.
@@MeowLesty nice idea, but sadly they wanted to hit the European market. So it’s either a daytime race or a very late race.
American Ownership is making A classic racing series into another plasic marketing gimmick
Yea like if America decided on these scums to be here
I mean instead of Miami, F1 should have revitalized Watkins Glen which is a real driver's course with F1 history. Vegas was an odd choice, but I think everyone knew the first time in a city constantly being used was going to be a struggle.
The main problem with WG is that it isn't sexy enough for F1. It's in a field in western New York. If they're making noises about Spa being dropped because of $ reasons, WG has zero chance. Also, it's kinda close(American close, not European close) to Montreal. Assuming Montreal and Miami are our east coast races, Cota and Mexico in the middle, the third option should be out west somewhere. Laguna Seca or Sonoma being my preferred choices but F1 would probably do Long Beach before either of those "real" tracks.
Watkins Glen cannot support an F1 race even if it was upgraded to F1 safety spec. It is in the middle of nowhere- 5 hours from New York and 2 1/2 hours from Buffalo- and on top of that, it is so fast that it would likely be butchered. F1 has changed a whole lot since it was last there in 1980
NO!!! To "upgrade" the Glenn into a grade 1 circuit, they would ruin it. Tear the soul right out of the place. Indy is already a grade 1 circuit, and actually put on a decent show from 02-07 minus 05. I was at every Indy race, and a couple hundred bucks got me a grandstand seat for the whole weekend. I wish they would go back there!
@@EhEhEhEINSTEIN Exactly. 100 percent. Watkins Glen is a backwater, and if there is going to be a 3rd F1 race w/Austin and Miami it has to be out west.
I think my only reservation about F1 cars on Watkins Glen is that a lap would be about 50 seconds long at full pace. Although, that wasn't an issue for the 2020 Sakhir circuit, so...
This “event” is undeniable proof that a media company owning a racing organization is a TERRIBLE business model.
BOTH companies have a interest in making an insane profit through directly opposing ways of generating it.
Offering in store credit to compensate your customer base who dropped some serious cash to only get shortchanged and asked to leave is mind boggling!
When the final numbers drop Liberty AND F1 will make damn sure they leave with million$. Vegas will be lucky to break even.
They sold us a lovely T-bone steak and served it on a trash can lid and expect to be welcomed back.
European arrogance on full display if you ask me.
Yeah it's not like F1 was dying before a company that knows how to promote took over... oh wait.
To start the Race at 1am so Europeans can watch .. fucc the country it's being held in right
European arrogance?? Liberty Media are American, they have pushed the US agenda as the commercial rights holders of F1. Miami and Vegas are pure vanity projects with drivers being introduced as if it were a game show, they’re racers and just want to get on with racing. Every time F1 wants to do a new race we end up on a street track! Not purpose built race tracks, if that’s what they want then they can go buy Indycar and fill their boots. If they want to learn how to introduce F1 to the US then look at how COTA has been done it’s been a natural growth and it’s now an event a vast majority of fans look forward to, it’s a great track, never disappoints on racing but here we are talking about another cringe inducing F1 weekend in America.
Liberty media, the company that is needing F1 into what it is. Its American but yeah pop off bro, those euros amirite. And I've not got a horse in this race as a Canadian.
@@justinmiller5660 "it's not like F1 was dying before a company that knows how to promote took over"
No it wasn't. Also, let's not pretend it was Liberty Media who got the Budget cap installed, because they did fuck all to make the sport more sustainable.
I’d have to agree with Max.
I wish my home state Wisconsin would get Road America set up for a safer but great F1 race. I loved seeing cars race there and superbikes. It’s a quality track. It has huge areas for fans to walk by and sit and watch awesome races. The le mans series which I’ve watched there several times, was always fantastic. The seating is great and fun. Parking is easy.
Hell I got to do a bicycle trace there once for charity . It’s beautiful.
Yes I’m just a bit of a fan. But it’s sweeps, long straights, the carousel and right angle turns as well as up hill finish is just great. But it has had a 50/50 between drivers. So yea. There’s that. So F1 , ditch la come to Wisconsin.
NO YOU DO NOT! To "upgrade" any of the classic tracks here, like Road America, Mid-Ohio, the Glenn, etc. would ruin them!!! It would take all the soul out of the place, and it would never be the same. Let's keep our good tracks good! Indy is already grade 1. Of any of the tracks here, maybe Sonoma would be ok after the grade 1 upgrades.
I'm not American so less American races also sounds good to me
@@Raptorsifiedkeep those tears coming. Tell me what else is bothering you.
I love RA and Elkhart as a second home. I do fear what F1 would do to that area. No matter, it's unrealistic for F1 to come to rural wisco (even if it is God's country). It's just the direction F1 is going in. They replace great tracks every year with races in desert kingdoms. Der Geist ist verloren.
I guess so they can put on snow tires?
The criticism was always about the level of show. Not much about the race.
Vegas baby. How could we expect anything different?
Exactly... they are racers, not showmen. Why force them to endure the cringe pre-race "entertainment"?
And that is just how clickbait works, they know exactly what Max is bothering. He is just a pure racer and cares about nothing around it, Lewis is the opposite, he likes fashion and attention with his fancy new clothes all the time....Max just wearing his race suit all the time...We all get the picture i think. Some have bigger balls than others...Max ones are humongous.
@@mushie8447 so true... i should have known better 😅
@StephenMorganCanada Well it's not just Vegas. Miami also has plenty of BS stuff. The US always loves to try and make everything "the biggest show on earth" with little substance of value. Suzuka every ticket holder can do a track walk on Thursday while the drivers are having their track walk and go into the pitlane. That is way more entertaining than some silly concerts they spend millions on in the US.
Only thing i hated about the event is they priced out the standard fan. Last race i went to was COTA the year Ham clinched the title and it was 450 bucks for general ticket. I knew Vegas would be more expensive but damn...they were sure heavy on it.
They'll learn from this year and will build in more tickets and options for the everyday fan next year. For the 99.9% of people who watched on television, it was one of the best and exciting races of the season.
@@timr672 I just got an email today for deposits options for 2024. I may do Miami or Mexican GP next year instead if going back to COTA or trying Vegas. The cool thing about COTA is the ability to walk around and get close to track in basic sector 1 up to the beginning of the back long straight
I've only been to COTA. Would actually love to visit Mexico for the race. Are the tickets you were emailed regarding premium or general passes? Have you noticed that it's worth buying in advance or is it better to buy secondary market tickets closer to the race? Thanks!
@@prostreetbeetdhd4586
The running times were great. If you live in Australia. 😊
I'm anxiously waiting to see ALL of the final numbers for hotels, restaurants, and local venues, including the cost to taxpayers as compared to a normal pre-Thanksgiving November week in Vegas. I guarantee there are huge losses. And they want to do this for another 10 years???
There are no losses for the city. F1 paid millions for the rights and the land where the paddock was built, etc.
@errolmclaughlin1482 F1 paid millions for specific sites and venues. The race was also supported with taxpayer dollars. I'm talking about the overall economic impact to the strip and Vegas. I visited during mid-October, saw the mess, and warned others to stay away. Many followed my lead and delayed additional travel to Vegas until F1 was completed. Do you know how much Vegas takes in on a typical pre-holiday week? Take a look at the Arco station story located on Flamingo Road and Koval Lane. These narratives occurred all over Vegas and the anticipated turnout for the F1 race was not as projected. We'll see the numbers in a few weeks.
One of the characteristics of the Dutch (people) is that they are (abrasively) blunt, honest and sincere. Max is no exception....
(I'm Dutch BTW)
Zie niet hoe jou nationaliteit relevant is maar sure
@@akorthouwer Tsja....
F1 seems to be continuing to focus on everything outside of the on track action and moving further away from being accessible for fans. The spectacle drives costs and therefore ticket prices up and moves attending a race further and further away from most fans. F1's responses are also usually corporate speak rather than caring for the fanbase.
Important to note the $200 handed out only applied to people with single-day tickets. Everyone else still got screwed out of that day’s events.
whatever who cares, track safety is most important. It was a fp2 delayed late into the night..... you wanna talk about fans who got screwed, US GP 2006 and Spa 2021. This weekend was great fp3, qual, and race.
Some people had tickets to only FP1???
@@Umuliuz yes, you can buy tickets for the individual days of an F1 weekend, in case you only can/want to watch specific parts live
Glad it was a good race and not another Miami
As an American, I think this exposure to Las Vegas is a massive shock to many around the world. The show off the track and hype of all of it is Las Vegas for any major event so it was very normal for Americans because even we will say “Well, that’s Vegas”. You can ask everyone who is a hockey fan and how much they hated (some still hate) the pre show event for Las Vegas Golden Knights games. If you have something in Vegas, it will always be over the top. I am just happy that the racing was great so it can actually make the pre show of it all forgivable to an extent
Too much is being made of "the show". If you don't like the show, don't go to it. Just go to the race. There is a lot of "show" surrounding the Indianapolis 500. Corny show, like you'd expect at Indy, but still lots of show. If you don't like it you can always skip it and just show up for the race. If you're watching on TV, just turn it on when the race starts and turn it off when the race ends. There's a lot of "show" in big NASCAR races like Daytona and Charlotte. I just DVR the races and skip all the bullshit. Result, no show, just race.
But the racetrack itself is not very technical, Norris and Sainz got shafted by flaws with the track that should not have happened, Free Practice ticket holders were asked to leave, there was oil on the track with the start, I don't really like all the fences and no public on the long straights. I also think it was quite expensive to buy tickets, though I did not double-check that one. Only read it somewhere.
Contrary to many other people, I liked the show and all the singing. All those laser lights and effects. Wonderfully done.
All in all, I just think this is a different flavor and once people are used to it, they will start to accept it. As long as other tracks can do their own thing and Liberty Media does not use Vegas as a blueprint for other tracks to follow, in which F1 is a sideshow to everything else that is organized, then it should be good.
@@RRaquello
The race itself was good, but event was a complete disaster. It was a construction nightmare for months for the people living in Las Vegas and the fans who paid thousands of dollars couldn't watch a damn thing and got bullied and verbally abused by security. There are tons of videos of security pretty much being violent with fans and treating them like criminals.
Tabloid journalism and employment laws in LasVegas. Nothing more.
Hotel rooms where raided by Police , search for guns. It happend not only F1 fans but olso F1 journalist and even two F1 drivers. And all whitout a search warrant.
You obviously don’t live in Las Vegas. I don’t think any locals were affected by the construction or road closures. The Tropicana exit construction (nothing to do with race) is what’s really chaffing the local commuters
@@lom2981 That's funny because I just typed "Las Vegas F1 road blocks" on Google and found several news articles about people being at F1.
Here's one of headlines: "'I Hope It Bankrupts Them': Las Vegas Residents Enraged Ahead Of Formula 1 Grand Prix
Jalopnik spoke to 15 people who visited, live in, or work in Las Vegas. The F1 race has left them feeling scammed, browbeaten, and furious at organizers"
I've also seen videos of people complaining about it. But hey, all those people must be haters. If you say it's all good, then I'll believe you.
@lom2981 There has been a lot of people claiming to be from Las Vegas as well as publications talking about problems in Las Vegas because of F1 and the construction. I am not from Vegas, but I am inclined to believe that it was a massive inconvenience
The way DC kept on going on about how amazing everything was and seeking validation from the drivers in the post-race interviews got on my nerves a bit. The race was good, don't get me wrong, but the way F1 was so desperate to get validated was just sad and annoying.
Can't believe I agree with Verstappen, but yeah I would like to see more tracks like Portimao, Istanbul or Hockenheim rather than this circus. And also is there a number of how much money is enough? maybe there should be 3 races in vegas so that fia has money for the future of the sport.
"And also is there a number of how much money is enough?"
The answer: No.
What does Will Buxton, Crofty, Toto Wolff and The-Race have in common?
They all earn money through F1😅
Max Verstappen decided it was time for a little less conversation and a little more action on Saturday as he did what he does best - winning Formula One races.
I see what you did there, nice 👍
Car overspend and bootlicker FIA don’t hurt his race.
He screwed up T1 and didn’t own up to it
Well played. 🎰
@@deemo5245 eh? Like others later in the race he got a 5 sec penalty, so what’s you on about?
@@abbofun9022 Still mad about 2021and watching the man who dethroned their "goat" destroy every record in F1, he just took the record for most percentage of laps led from Jim Clark(1961)
I`m really curious what are the newly set standards that mr. Wolff is talking about. I`m trying hard to find other than those that`ve been discussed in the video. Bad communication, 1% racing 99% show, safety issues on track, ridiculous hours and most of all, how dares he say no one watches FP1 in Europe. Mate what?
He has his motives, his financial ones that is.
He`s just thinking long term for his team that`s all.
There`s Jeddah, Monaco, Marina Bay, Baku, i don`t see any standards either.
This turned out to be one of the best races of the entire season. But i think that FIA should cancel the penalty and refund the expenses for the Ferrari repairs after FP1.
And Alpine. When it's a failure of the track itself, the driver/team shouldn't be punished. I was glad to see all 10 teams stand with 55.
@@justinmiller5660 b nopero it was Toto who vetoed diminishing Sai penalty.
And refund the fans for FP1 & FP2.
everything besides the race itself proved why F1 is going in the wrong direction. Prioritising the show over the actual product isn't the way to go in motorsport, its supposed to be a celebration of the best engineers and the best drivers in the world, not a place where race fans die of cringe because of influencers who know nothing about the sport.
As messed up as it sounds. The real hardcore fans cannot grow the sport financially. End of the day its also a business. You need something like this here and there to bring new eyes (money) to the sport. It is the sad truth of all sports.
As an online watcher, the race was great fun, with more close racing than is the usual case and some fantastic overtakes. Fortunately not too many crashes on such a high-speed street circuit. After so much pre-race criticism, a good result for F1. I doubt that things will not be improved for next year's event. That is called "experience"
2024: Vegas could be a demolition derby and many overtakes like Moto3.
The points made at 4:00. This is only true IF races like spa can stay on the calendar and arent replaced with races that "are good for the growth of the sport ($$$)"
Let's be very frank: the stated goal of this race was to attract new fans, especially new *American* fans. To that end, this weekend was a disaster for the sport. F1 not only came off as out-of-touch and prioritizing European fans, but also as arrogant and dismissive about legitimate criticisms and frustrations that fans and drivers had. Yeah, I mean, the race was good, but so was Suzuka. And the fact that I can't watch either at a reasonable time pisses me off. But at least with Japan, it's half way around the world, so I get it. Las Vegas, however, is literally in my home country! The FIA needs to make significant changes to the race's logistics and planning if they're gonna attract new American fans, which, let's recall, *is the goal.*
Starting the show at 1am to prioritize another country is straight up BS.. take it back .. we don't want it
Well said! This race and schedule were a disaster for US-based viewers.
@@VarietyPack2050nah, 10pm was perfect for me. Plus, it's a Saturday. Most people can stay up late.
@@kernalsander9395bro is talking like Lakers games don't regularly go past midnight for EST residents.
You're being frank, but not very clued in apparently. The timetable was negotiated by Las Vegas, they wanted the impact on locals as small as possible (understandably), hence the night driving. Has nothing to do with Europe or viewers elsewhere. The race was on at Sunday morning 7AM in my local time... and that would be the same for most of Europe plus or minus one hour.
Why did we have to watch it at 1am in the U.S so Europeans can enjoy it better..
I think between what Max said and what Straw said about the bigger picture can be compromised as a middle ground. Max's main issue was the pomp and it was overwhelming, it was every Vegas stereotype thrown into one events. Now, what Straw said was also true, these spectacles are needed to fund the real race tracks. The middle ground I propose is to make the pomp and circumstance *racing oriented* make it like nothing else in Vegas. No overbearing stereotypical motifs like gambling, Elvis impersonators, and celebrities. Make it the racing world cranked up to 11, bring Hoonigan for some pre-race stuff to get people hyped, start the race earlier, and make tickets cheaper. Make it an affordable, all encapsulating racing experience with the Grand Prix as the main event.
Despite some teething pains, I thought the race was fantastic, maybe the best of the year. The shots of the cars going around The Sphere were stunning.
Max is an introvert and introverts don't like all the showbiz BS. He's there to race and just wants to race. Putting on fancy dress, like an Elvis suit is an absolute 10/10 on an introverts' list of hateful things.
Frankly this 'event' left a bad taste in my mouth.
Never mind the very avoidable things that went wrong, this was very much a "Bugger the racing and the fans, let's make as much money as possible" situation. As exemplified by how the locals have been treated, the corners obviously cut, the idiotic price of tickets, and the shameful behaviour of one Toto Wolf...
...such 'priorities' don't bode well for the long term health of the sport.
I'm American and this is just my opinion, but if you ask me, this whole reliance of adding super flashy and big spectacle events is starting to show its colors. I've been to Vegas before, it's a nice city, granted I was only 11 when I went there in 2006, but yes, it's a nice city and a cool place to go. Everything about me was telling me I should be excited about this, yet I just couldn't find the capacity to be excited about this. Love him or hate him, Max does I think have a point when he says things like "99% show and 1% sporting event", "an event for the 1%", and everything about proper race tracks. All the flash and spectacle becomes just that when you take away the sporting event. I personally don't care about the spectacle as I just want to see a good race, although some might disagree with me. Now in this case we did get a good race, which is nice, but that doesn't cover up any of the other things. The fact that they were dropping ticket prices pretty dramatically a few days before the event tells me that they were simply pricing out too many people and they were just trying to save face so the stands don't look half empty. If that doesn't sound like "an event for the 1%", I don't know what is.
The point is, it's one thing to have a bunch of flash and show, but I'd argue that there is such a thing as too much show. When the show overshadows the actual event, that's when I'd argue you're putting in too much show and not enough event. That's the problem I have with races like Monaco, Miami, and now Vegas. They're all show while not always delivering a good race. If you get a shitty race at Spa, you just get a shitty race at Spa. It's just that. If you put on a giant circus and get a shitty Miami race. It sucks the air out of the event, and to me just makes the whole event feel like a sham. Even the organizers of these oil rich Gulf countries seem to be able to understand this. Well, maybe other than Abu Dhabi and it's giant super expensive to stay in hotel that looks like a dick. Tourism my friends! Now I know that there will be some who will say things like "but this is Vegas" "everything needs to be a spectacle in Vegas". And I really don't know what to say to that other than saying that maybe we should have a giant circus and more flash at Interlagos and the Hungaroring, because it's Interlagos and the Hungaroring!
The Vegas race could've been a good event. It was a good race. But at some point they forgot about the sporting event. A good sporting event should include a good race. Not here's a bunch of flash and fake Yachts on fake water to distract you from the terrible race.
Well put, my thoughts exactly.
Nobody is reading all that
Yeah not reading that....Max won, the end...
The Las Vegas GP is my closest F1 race, so we decided to go down at the last minute. However, for the price of the tickets and accommodation, I could fly halfway around the world and enjoy 3 days of motorsport, not just F1 sessions, and I wouldn't have to freeze in-between in the 12°C warmth of Vegas in November. I'm sure it was great for all the people in the Paddock Club and the enclosed suites by the Bellagio and Caesar's Palace, but even with the high prices, I bet it made up less than 2% of the total revenue for the event. Catering for the uber-rich isn't a sustainable plan.
I want to see IndyCar, IMSA and WEC to try this track out.
1 am race in the US is wildly odd choice if trying to bring in new fans. Obviously if overseas it’s one things but a home race being at that time is crazy
Penalizing Ferrari for damage to their car caused by track objects was appalling. One race in the US each year is enough.
Mercedes vetoed a unanimous decision among the other teams to let Ferrari go unpunished
@@briansrensen8204they really want that wcc second place
Gotta love MV for not going with the bs.
It’s really exciting race! But it should be started more earlier time and in summer.
the reason it was good was the difficult conditions partially so I think it should stay
Las Vegas must be grouped with the other American races (bar Canada) for sake of a good calendar.
fair@@soundscape26
I have family that pay their rent and living expenses in LV for years. Had to dip into savings to pay rent and food. They said they made 5% of their usual tips, were sent home, unpaid leave if you will during the race, construction or plain couldn’t get to work. All this when the coming days are going to slow in LV for Thanksgiving, a slow period.
Best seat was watching on TV yet the F1 didn’t tell ESPN and cable, dish customers when the next practice was so most subscribers didn’t get it recorded while sleeping or even think it would happen. It needs a class action lawsuit to rattle their gilded cage.
Well said, The Race! Lots of great information and good sense throughout this piece!
The naivety of Edd Straws comments are unbelievably shocking. Liberty media has shown time and time again that money is the only thing they are interested in. There is no chance, absolutely none that the money made at tracks like las Vegas will be used to keep tracks like spa on the calendar. If anything, it contributes to the chances of it being removed. It's a crying shame. Unfortunately, there is nothing, an average Joe can do against the unnecessarily rich needing these kinds of events to show that they have money.
Who the Hell thought it was a great idea to have a Race at Midnight?
It started at 1am eastern. I wouldve loved to watch but when you work at 6am, thats never going to happen. Not a big enough fan to record it and watch it later
Max was right. When 3 of the best drivers during the first laps spontaneously spin the track under these circumstances is NOT fit for racing. We want to see all drivers race and finish unless they screw up or unless they have mechanical failures, but NOT unless they have bad luck with a poor track.
And then a 20 minute drive to get interviewed only to return to the podium thereafter? Come on dudes that's cringy.
And then the Free Practise incident? Just shows the track wasn't ready.
And then offer the audience a $200 voucher so they can buy overpriced merchandise as compensation that cost $25 to produce at most? Oh please...
And yes, apart from the race being ruined for Alonso, Sainz, Norris and some colleterals by the track itself, it was an eventfull race.
But still Max was spot on!
Hot take - it wasn't a good race. Basically all of the action was caused by the chaos of the safety cars resulting in cars being out of position.
That’s still part of the race.
This race had:
* Overtakes on almost every corner on the track
* DRS Overtakes
* Overtakes under braking
* Overtakes based on traction
* Cars able to follow after being passed
*Re-passes
* 3-way fight for the win
* Come-back drives
* etc
Basically every thing that "racing fans" have been complaining about being missing. Somehow the safety cars made all that happen? 🤔
@@skewie88 It's not "somehow" I literally explained how in the comment you are replying to.
The funniest part to me is people saying that Max is this completely anti-Vegas activist and then he shows up to race in a suit that look like Elvis and sings Viva Las Vegas over the team radio after the win 😂 I truly think that Max realizes that the spectacle of it is just part of how Vegas does things and he decided to embrace it a bit while still feeling like it’s a bit over the top. Vegas has built a name for itself by being completely over the top, so this is nothing new, and especially with F1’s entire goal being to bring new people into sport it is a lot easier to get people to be brought in by the spectacle and then watch the race and either think it’s awesome or not for them. Without the spectacle there’s a good chance they wouldn’t have watched the race in the first place
Lets be real, lots of Anti-Americanism at play in the hate for the Las Vegas GP.
Honestly Max spoke the truth and that was my irritation about this Grand Prix, everyone saw this as an entertainment event instead of a Grand Prix, F1 is very lucky that the race was great.
Honestly cancel Miami and keep Las Vegas and cota
No argument from me.
Why? Miami at least is a purpose built track that doesn't cause a huge cluster fuck with road closures. Also at least the track doesn't look like an upside down pig. Seriously though, the Miami GP has more potential than Las Vegas, and doesn't have to be watched at ridiculous hours. If anything ditch Las Vegas AND Miami and stick with COTA and maybe add in Laguna Seca.
@@tonymagona334 Watching a ground effects car get stuck on the corkscrew doesn't sound like a good race.
They didn’t have enough security in place for FP1 to allow fans to sit and watch the session but had plenty of security to kick people out of the venue? Got it.
All I know is the SkySports Official F1 broadcast call of the race has become pathetically biased to the point the absurd.
They can't help but accuse RedBull of everything and anything while simultaneously contradicting themselves by claiming the Lap 1 incidents with drivers Max and Charles was just Max squeezing Charles off-track on purpose and Max intended to do this.
Then they got to work for their Mercedes weekend obligations and said the very obvious and most likely reason every single car there was issues.
It's a new track✔️, the first time anyone has ever done a start here ✔️, and the fact that it was very cold and the tires simply didn't grip.
This was most likely the reason for this on lap one.
Then after lobbying for this Lap 1 penalty against Max for the first 10 min or so they got their result and the race stewards gave them a 5 sec time penalty and now for the next 5 min Martin Brundle, David Croft, and other in-broadcast driver pundits all now we're not happy with just a 5 sec penalty nope they said he should be given a harsher penalty than another driver.
If I were RedBull I would not give SkySports F1 anything other than post-race victory interviews.
They are biased, rude, and obsessed with helping British drivers and teams and hurting the rest of the teams who beat their British teams and drivers.
Please relax. Max got his little 5s penalty, then broke his wing on Russell's car and they gave George the penalty instead of him so it all worked out and he won the race easily. And you are still mad...
The definition of “good race” being defined by button pressing to pass (DRS) is absolutely alarming for those who been watching this sport since the 80’s.
Ok so get rid of DRS and hybrid system too
Honestly, I hope that the fans that started that class action law suit win. Its asinine that people paying the amount of money F1 is charging to watch F1 dont get to watch F1. F1 has shown many times now theyre happy taking money from fans, but are pressed to returning it when they get it wrong. *cough cough spa 2021
I'm with Max on his pre-race comments. I also feel bad for all the fans who think safety cars and tire strategy make the sport more interesting. They don't know what F1 used to be like before it decided to become more entertainment for the masses rather than sport for enthusiasts.
It was actually a pretty good race. It IS an amazing achievement, what was built in such a short timeframe. Certainly some missteps and room for improvement.
2024 hopefully Vegas gonna improve big time.
If they had scheduled Vegas in the summer time, it would be plenty warm regardless of the time. I think that should also be consideration.
Fp 1 and 2 last minute entry tickets started from 200 usd.. asking people to leave was a bad decision....the organisers are now being sued.
The Carlos penalty was downright shameful.. he was lucky to get away without major injuries.
The direction of the cameras and replays was not great , many good fights were not shown realtime. It got better in the last 10 to 15 laps
I'm glad Max didn't hold back on his opinions, being as dominant as he is right now he's arguably the driver with the biggest voice, hopefully he's been heard and next year things are handled better, the race was great though
It was a good race on a crap track.
Just like Valencia in 2012 the race been good doesn't change the fact that the track itself is dire. Only Miami is a worse track than this of those currently part of the F1 season.
And Max is 100% right about all the show over sport nonsense!!!
I guess you know better then the drivers, who mostly said it was a fun track to race on.
I was in Vegas for a work thing for a few days before the race. I heard about it before getting there, but man did the F1 setup destroy downtown and the strip. They've been setting it up for three months, I can't imagine living through that; I feel for anyone that had to commute through that. For those who don't know, the strip isn't even Las Vegas, it's its own town called Paradise. They play by their own rules which is probably how this whole track was allowed to happen in the first place because money talks. I'd say the whole thing is a disgrace, despite that, it was a good race.
Max is 100% right about the show and the fans. Even on the podium none of the 3 drivers were really applauded and there were like watching a movie and pop-corn. No emotion hardly from the fans. And that should be the main goal. And they failed.
But with Liberty media they want to enforce F1 in the USA now even with 3 races while most Americans don't really care about F1. And for sure not in Vegas. The other 2 races were a lot better with fans, but still it's not high on the nations ranking. And with football and F1 being one of the greatest sports on the planet it's crazy that the USA gets 3 races. That just shows they only care about the holy $
I'm sorry but I completely disagree with Edd. You're telling me that the money-makers of F1 & certain team bosses that want to line their pockets won't trade Spa for a 'new-standards' $$$$ race in New York? Come on, while Max has been a grumpy bugger all weekend his underlying concerns are valid.
The race was the best of the season in my opinion. And actually, I enjoyed the showman aspect of it all. I loved the helicopter shots of the city and the lights. It was sick.
"It was sick" might not be an argument that convinces older F1 fans such as myself. Brazil was sick, Mexico was sick, Austin was sick, Singapore was sick... We're already talking about the most exciting sport in the world here
Didn't really feel like a street race honestly. I miss some of the old tracks that F1 claims they've outgrown.
If there's one thing Max will never do, it's going back on his word. The race was ok. It needed to be the race of the year to get over sheer cock-ups beforehand qualy, and headaches for the residents. Hopefully, there isn't a return for Vegas unless it's a permanent circuit
we're getting 10 years of this nonsense...
Max will also ruin the sport of F1 while stating his hate for winning all the time and still winning it just to ruin it for the fans 👻
Ed Straw said it best. Its like the big manufacturers producing cheap economy vehicles that fund the production of the "enthusiast cars".
Thank you, for this "Well-Balanced" and Objective Review of this Event.......I watched the Race on TV and it was a Magnificent Visual Venue !.....However, if I was at the race and ORDERED to Leave....I would NEVER forget , how I was RUTHLESSLY Mistreated !! A $200 / credit for very Expensive Goods...is a SLAP IN THE FACE !!.....I am still a GREAT FAN of F1 , but I am DISAPPOINTED, how my Brother and Sister Fans were DISRESPECTED !!!......I Hope HUMILITY and FAIRNESS , will be a Priority for the Leadership at F1 in the Future......Godspeed..
As an American, I gotta confess there seems to be so much cringe hype surrounding our races...I don't like it. And it's embarrassing. But the race was good.
Max was critical about the race even before FP1. But he changed his view after won the race. Grow up man. Give some credit for the organisers, construction workers and even the LV residents who sacrifice their daily routine for this event takes place.
It was an awesome race. Incredible to watch imo
Easily exited aren't ya?
Never seen a race at Monaco I’d gather.
@@theliberator5725it was easily a top 10 race this season. Probably top 5. You don’t watch much f1, I guess.
@@quigglyz You sad little troll.
@@Thedudeabides803 Seen over 30 races at Monaco.. yet never seen so much wankers on the starting grid.
Listening to the drivers is as painful as the attempt to be a F1 fan now a days. Just saying, screw the private country club mentality.
The race was entertaining with all the chaos and the lack of complexity of the track levelling the field for more teams. But it did not feel like a high quality race IMO. We want more teams to be able to battle on merit, not just due to randomness and chaos. F1 tracks need to strike a balance between entertainment for viewers and complexity to distinguish the good drivers and teams from the bad. This track is way too far in the entertainment side of things with so crude and simple corners and long fast straights.
I hope they can maybe add more complex corners/chicanes/curbs or something for next year. Ideally also some camber changes, though that is difficult to add to a flat city track... And fix the grip. If we cannot race there during a suitable time of day, then we should not race there at all.
And tone down all the bullshit stuff around the event and focus more on the actual sport. I am fricking sick of watching celebs, casinos or other nonsense while there is a race on...
It was on merit. Williams started 5 and 6. Alpine finished 4th. Your not going to have teams on equal footing because each team builds their own cars. Some are better than others period. The race was a close as it could be with back markers running in the top 5.
Gotta say that overhead view of the cars driving through the strip was amazing
The race overall was decent enough, but it shouldn't take away from the fact that so much still needs to be worked on in terms of implementation. There's so much theatrics leading up to the weekend and yet FP1 fizzled out which pretty much I'd say scammed a lot of racegoers that day because they can't even watch FP2. At the very least they should be fully refunded and not just be dumped vouchers. That and also how expensive the tickets are. The fact they had to lower ticket prices going into the weekend shows they might have priced out too many fans already that they can't sell out.
I can tell you that the average Las Vegans hate this course. It's caused all sorts of rigmarole and difficulty for them, and the prospect of this being an annual event is disheartening.
I think it was pretty presumptuous of Max to presume every fan at the event wasn’t a real F1 fan. There’s 300k people who were there and not all were celebrities. European gatekeepers need to sit this one out.
Take of your orange shirt
This reporter does not seem to have a boundary between financial health and selling out the entire idea of F1.
What F1 can do for this sport is to delude it. That is it.
Carlos getting screwed for something not their fault versus max getting 5 seconds for sending Charles off into the grandstands on t1 says a lot about how F1 feels about the sport
Edit: max’s “send them my regards” might be the best sound clip of the year
He's really trying to make everyone not a diehard fan of his to hate his guts...
Yeah because Max got 5 seconds while Alonso was a "turn 1 racing incident" totally makes sense.
@@justinmiller5660We know u joked with this so we won't judge u 😇
max shouldn't have recieved a pen lol racing incdident a lap 1 ffs
@TheLuthorri not joking at all if low grip causes you to understeer at the start of the race and the only consequence was another driver had to go off track gets a 5 secondpenalty, but losing the rear-end of your car because of the same low grip but you damage other cars gets "turn 1 racing incident" is ridiculous.
But I know you're not very smart, so I won't hold it against you.
How about set a ticket price limit so the average ticket price for Vegas isn’t 6 times the other most expensive races on the calendar, so people that actually watch and love f1 for the sport can afford to come to the race instead of it being a mass networking and sponsorship event.
Ive driven through Vegas 6 times on cross country trips and only saw fit to stop one. That was to get gas. The city is just so tacky and offers nothing for me. Go Max, he really showed his talent last night. Great drive King Max
Any city has nothing for me. I'm more of a wide open spaces kind of guy. My closest neighbor is a ways away on the other side of mine, and their pastures. Also over a hill, so I don't even see him. Road names are things like "township road 34" or "County road 318" (no those aren't real numbers. I'm not giving more than I live in the middle of nowhere in south central Ohio.) Keep your cities. I'll stay in the sticks.
Max just giving his honest opinion nothing wrong with that.
Swap Miami and Vegas on the calendar or delete Miami completely
The other way around. Delete Vegas completely.
Essentially saying that "if Vegas succeeds, Spa can survive" is a bit naive in my opinion. Even if F1 made big bank on the Vegas GP I doubt they'd put too much into securing Spa on the calendar. And I don't think a resulting viewership boom would help a classic European track either.
Quality race because bad asfalt