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There are no more Paradigm reservations available. Those were taken in the first week that deposits were accepted. You can order one of the regular Apteras of course.
Yippee!!! Keep the good news coming! Our Aptera is in my dreams. I absolutely cannot wait to show the world what a wonderful vehicle the Aptera is. It's way past time for new passions in the world of transportation. EFFICIENCY! PRACTICALITY! PRESERVING OUR BEAUTIFUL PLANET! Thank you Aptera!!!
I drew up that shark teeth decal sketch. It is closer to fan art right now than business. I wanted something to get stuck in peoples' (or Aptera's) heads to think about customizing the looks of an Aptera in hot rod fashion. I don't have a print shop myself to make vinyl wraps and considering I could use automotive vinyl tape and a razor blade. I based it off of the Flying Tigers in WWII. The fact Aptera has an actual nose cone makes it perfect for nose art. It be fun to see what people come up with.
Thank you for the shout out on the Aptera Ambassador program. -Love to see how the Sol is showcasing. -Looking forward to what Jannies Sun can do with the financing. -Need to ramp up factory automation and replication. -Everyone wants one! (when they see it) -We can all get the word out virally for maximum impact.. -This novel, long range, charge independent vehicle can be the ‘VW bug’ of our time! (yes, you can quote me) ;)
LA Auto Show is usually towards the end of the year. If there is one this year, would be nice for Aptera to have a couple of prototypes or production models there to show off.
The key point here is if the Aptera (as a 3 wheeled autocycle) will qualify for these subsidies. $10K off would make a HUGE difference in the Aptera's perceived value. And open up a much bigger group of people who could afford to own one. One benefit for me getting my Aptera later in 2022 would be if they can qualify for this or other big EV subsidies, it would make it worth the wait. I think that the auto closing door is just from gravity. Like most gullwing doors and rear hatchback doors, they have gas struts, and a stay-open position when fully opened, but lower than that the doors are pulled down by gravity and latch close by themselves. It's unlikely that Aptera would add electric motors for a powered closing door or "soft-close" latches, when a simpler, cheaper and lighter approach uses gravity and a well engineered, door, hinge, latch design. But sometimes vendors lower the cost of "luxury" features enough so that they are found on more economical cars (like electric powered windows and air conditioning).
@@donnysnonsense Yep, that is why there are new programs being put forward to offer direct federal rebates at the time of EV purchase. I just hope that there is a consideration for including autocycles in any government EV subsidy programs, as that's the most important part for us Aptera reservation holders.
I think I agree with you about the door falling of its own weight from gravity. My hatchback does exactly the same when I don;t open it up entirely because the gas struts are beginning to give. Unfortunately my read hatch does not close entirely and I have to open and close it to get it to click all the way shut. lol
@@fanfare100 It is important to not dismiss EV tax subsidies out of hand because it only benefits people with higher tax liability. The reason why I got into supporting EVs was because of my experience leasing and owning Chevy Volts. The Volt's lease price was immediately reduced because the leasing company figured in the tax subsidies into the monthly rate. For me that meant that I could drive a new, electrified car for just a little more than i was paying for in gas alone. And that is an EV incentive that would be great for students and lower income people looking for reliable, clean, transportation.
The Clean Energy for America Act specifies tax credits may not exceed 30% of the vehicle price. Also, I read the act and cannot see where autocycles qualify for more than $2,500 in credits. Can you explain how you got to $10,000.
as I understand current $7.5k EV tax credit only applies to 4+ wheels cars and 3 wheels would only get maximum $2.5k or 10% from electric motorcycle tax credit www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/plug-in-electric-drive-vehicle-credit-section-30d but unlike what the video says I don't see how the new 2021 electric cars act changes the category for the aptera. only mention of the number of wheels is "(2) 2- AND 3-WHEELED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES" www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/395/text?r=6&s=1 so I don't think it's going to change. I would probably reserve an aptera short range/tri motor with solar panels if the $10k tax credit was confirmed
Will the (rarely used) off-road height adjuster be manual (lighter, cheaper, simpler, durable) or automatic (complex, costly, heavy, vulnerable)? Will regen braking be strong enough to maintain speed on long downhill stretches? For one-pedal driving?
There will be at least 4 different levels of regen (including a 'coast' level) and the strongest settings should allow for one pedal driving down most hills.
Why are the camera stalks mounted so conventionally vs higher up for better visibility, particularly for driver-assist binocular ranging? Seems like on front wheel spats (for looking around corners) & outside tailgate hinges (4-way views) would be more effective.
Having motors in the wheels means the unsprung mass of the wheels is a huge problem: force=mass x acceleration or acceleration=force / mass so when the Aptera goes over a bump in the road the acceleration of the front wheels to lift the front wheels over the bump is very slow because of their large mass so the whole vehicle rides over the bump creating a very bumpy ride for the batteries, passengers & body of the Aptera. The stresses on the tires wheels & motors could damage them over time! If you hit a bump at high speed the tires could blow out! That is why low unsprung mass on a vehicle is usually a design goal? Like in German start-up Sono Motors affordable EV that can run on self-generated solar power alone. The Sion solar car will be sold for 27,873 USD. Drive is a three-phase asynchronous motor driving the rear wheels with a power of 120 kW (161 hp) & voltage of 400 V. Top speed 140 kph (87 mph). Sion has 50kW CCS DC & 22kW AC charging.
Where can you strap your surfboard to? Can you go through a drive through and get In and Out? Seems like the window is small and you’ll have problems reaching up to get your order. As a three wheeler can you go on the hov lanes with one person in the vehicle?
In an Elektrek interview they said it's actually the last. 400mi first, then 250mi, 600mi then 1000mi. 400 is thier most popular pre-order option, then I assume the rest is to be able to produce art scale and ramp up when they can produce batteries faster.
@@bemusedalligator Re: rebates vs tax credits- Maybe a two-tier approach with rebates to incomes below $80k-$100k? So you're convinced that inclusion as autocycle vs motorcycle into the tax/rebate proposals is certain? Thx!
@@bdunni88 NEW QUALIFIED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC DRIVE 13 MOTOR VEHICLES.- 14 (1) 2- AND 3-WHEELED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC VE15 HICLES.- 16 (A) IN GENERAL.-Clause (ii) of section 17 30D(g)(3)(E) is amended by striking ‘‘in the 18 case of a vehicle that has 2 wheels, after De19 cember 31, 2014, and before January 1, 2018’’ 20 and inserting ‘‘after December 31, 2014’’. 21 (B) EFFECTIVE DATE.-The amendments 22 made by this paragraph shall apply to vehicles 23 acquired after December 31, 2017. This is from page 84 of the PDF of the Clean Energy for America Act www.finance.senate.gov/download/clean-energy-for-america-act-of-2019
Would be best if over 95 percent of us American's could get a under 20000 price tag without a tax break, because most people are poor. Also yes if people love everything about the Aptera sol and might find a way to pay for the car , if people really start to see people actually getting a tax rebate for purchase of the Aptera, because other oil and car companies always grease the law makers to stop three wheel competition, so I think Aptera could be a big player if no tax break was needed. People are going to pay up to 20000 price anyways on any car and after taxes people say it feels like paying 30,000 and more because most people don't have good steady jobs these day's and have a hard time paying for school and making ends meet on there own for alot of people.
I hope the aptera will make it to production without delays and will be able to fullfil the preorders. I think it's great to focus on lightweight efficiency, super impressed that they manage to make it 25% lighter than a Miata with much more room and a 60kwh battery, or almost 2x as quick to 0-60 for similar price before tax credit for the short range tri motor version.. and excited that they are planning a 5 seats version, but I really think they should have gone straight to 4 wheels/ 4 seats for the first version. right now with 2 seats it's really only for commuting or single/couples without kids. I can't really really justify a second car if it can't even carry my wife and daughter. even though more than 50% of my trips would work with just 2 seats. orbit could be a good second EV for a small family that already has a larger ev. but it wouldn't want to need to use my ICE every time I drive more than 2 people. I guess being a very niche product was not a problem for their first low volume model and they wanted the best efficiency and decent solar range but I cant help wondering how much range/efficiency it would lose with 4 wheels and 4 seats. 250miles is already comfortable for the shortest range version considering it's more suited for commuting/city driving than long road trips.
It’s a few things that you haven’t mentioned in your vehicle and all three things are very important to me. # one is a heater # two is air conditioning # three is cruise control. Are these three things already in the vehicle? or are they add on’s? or just not available yet.
Yes, yes, and yes. All standard. May not be a heat pump from the start, but they are looking at it. I don't need a heater in AZ, so A/C plus resistance heat on the rare occasion is fine with me.
This car is perfect for Hawaii. I have been in the automotive business for 50 years. I live in Hawaii and my wife's large family lives in San Diego .I like to have a Aptera Dealer Ship in Hawaii. Hawaii is going to have a show room for a few Dealers in the closed Walgreen's store across from Walmart. I have built cars and rebuilt electric motors, service manager for car Dealers, and offered GM factory rep, for Buick. I'm also an inventor. I invented the BMX bicycle ( see me on youtube ) Randell Kim Panda BMX. , tools for ACE hardware, baby products, made an offer to buy The North Face etc. I have a product now that your CEO can sell and make money for Aptera. I lived in California for 50 years and the last 15 years in Piedmont Ca. then moved back to Hawaii.
I have one question, and I will repeat it everywhere: how much space is between the driver and the front wheel? In Italy we have to stop and pay for the highway use. The process is automatized, which is not closed to the driver and it is not allowed to exit the car. Does anybody has an answer?
@@humanpowervehicleclubrussi6746 Well, I think this is already too far away, Currently the ticket machines are about 50 cm from the shoulder, sitting in the car, so to get safely to the ticket machine the side of the car should be max around 25-30 cm of distance. With 50cm or more you cannot get to the ticket machine.
Does this happen to Hondas, which have the same clearance? The bottom edge of the wheel pants is sacrificial, and can be easily and inexpensively replaced if there is damage.
@@n.brucenelson5920 ……the wheel suspension and linkage on the Aptera are more exposed and have a wider ‘wishbone ‘ stance thus more susceptible to damage. Personally I am thrilled on the engineering and effort put into his ev and look forward and anticipating its release later this year. I am also eagerly awaiting for Toyota’s solid state battery introduction which will be a huge game changer with its low weight and range capabilities.
@@DarkstarDarth Have you seen drawings of the beta design? Both the Elaphe wheel motor attachments and the suspension design have changed greatly from the alpha vehicles, as has the predicted performance, with design help from Roush.
@@DarkstarDarth The Toyota battery (if it reaches production) won't have dendrite explosions. That alone makes the massive difference, and Li-ion should be illegal in vehicles. Phone explosions are bad enough.
@@aussieideasman8498 #1- Solid state batteries will reach production soon #-2 driving myself lithium ion powered cars for years with zero issues and great mpg.
Hey, I am not some cheapie. I want the vehicle with all bells and whistles. I will go to 60 thousand $$$. I just want one before I die😝😩🥸 Corpus Christi, TX.
@@IBMara The first models to be delivered are the limited edition Paradigm models. My understanding is that they will be delivered in preorder number order. Paradigm Plus orders may be built somewhat later.
@@fanfare100 The first 220 vehicles are special edition vehicles. They will have 2 wheel motors, a 40 kWh battery, special interior features and an upgraded stereo system. They don't plan to make more of these special edition models. There are also about 120 (If I remember correctly) Paradigm Plus models that will be built with AWD and 100 kWhr batteries. These will be built later. I know that some of the early preorder holders ordered custom configurations. Those vehicles will be built later. The Paradigms will be the first ones built. They may also lack some of the features that later vehicles will get, such as a heat pump, because it is likely the reversing valves won't be ready.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Thanks. Hmm, so if I up my battery fro 25K to 40K maybe I'll qualify to be amongst the first 200. lol Since I did reserve a 2-motor version with the enhanced stereo, but also an off-road package and the 44 miler solar package and the camper package?
does calling this a motorcycle or an autocycle mean the government won't pay for it? what had to change in order for the aptera to become eligible? its confirmed eligible? how can i find out if other similar vehicles are eligible or not?
Any success (i.e., with other larger interests) lobbying for rebates vs tax credits? Maybe a two-tier approach with rebates to incomes below $80k-$100k? How certain is inclusion as autocycle vs motorcycle into the tax/rebate proposals?
SOL refers to the solar charging cells built into the body. An Option maximizes this feature. aka "No Charge"...IF you live with good sun (Sol) which charges up about 40 miles of power, per day. So if you only need a car about 3 times a week in sunny San Diego, THIS ROCKS !!!
@@n.brucenelson5920 The way the door closed on the driver's side reminded me of how my hatchback closes itself if I don't open it up the whole way. Well, it comes down but doesn't actually latch shut.
So I wonder if anybody considered designing a vehicle set up using a joystick instead of a steering wheel like an aircraft design where you have joysticks on both sides of the car & you can drive the car from either side the pedals could be moved forward or backward depending on which side of the vehicle you’re driving and that will eliminate the issue of people in Europe that drive on the opposite side of the road, as that would be a huge reduction in cost, as this vehicle will be sold internationally!
People continue failing to understand how EV credits work. They are tied to your tax liability and are NOT magically subtracted off of the purchase price of the car. For example, let's assume you buy a $45K Aptera which is eligible for an imagined $10K credit. That credit is applied to any money you may owe Uncle Sam at the end of that tax year and nothing more. If you don't owe any money in taxes, you won't see a dime of it. Even if you owed $10K which was offset by the credit, you still paid $45K for the car since that's what you financed. These are not rebates or refunds that you get back at the end of the year that you can apply towards the balance of the car to reduce the actual purchase price. It's why I get so sick of hearing EVs advertised as "you only pay X amount after incentives" making people think they are getting a discounted price.
You can reduce your withholding so that you do owe $10,000 at the end of the year. A good question is, can you carry over the credit from one year to another if you don't use it all?
I would like to see this company succeed. But I have strong concerns about it Safety number one.And it only fits two persons. How ruggedness is it..over different terrains.But this design time has come in the right direction.
Looks like a fun & brilliant offering. Is it initially exclusive to CA, or will it make it to the East Coast like Carolinas? Kudos to Aptera for being a Freedom to Work factory like Tesla. I certainly hope the Feds will not block truely efficient EV's for having 3 wheels or Freedom to Work factories! Cheers, Eric
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yeah I liked that feature too. Of course for them it is currently because they do not have ability to be everywhere to make repairs. In some cases we may have to fix our own Aptera toys. Thankfully I have not met a mechanics tool I did not like :)
@@erickessler6094 The Aptera CTO is like this too. He has spoken passionately about letting customers do anything they like with their vehicles, including software. He is suggesting they will include a restore to factory reset in case an owner screws it up too much. He said, if we enjoy doing this, why wouldn't some of our customers? They will open source the repair documentation and allow installation of 3rd party parts.
As is true for many modern cars, Aptera will not carry a spare because of the weight penalty. A small compressor and a plug kit can address most roadside emergency tire problems. The wheel pants can be quickly removed.
@@danielmayo5199 I wouldn't call choosing not to invest "dumb". Everyone has a different situation. To be fair, it is still at a risky stage, although far less risky than a year ago. If you can't afford to lose your investment it may not be for you. However, it is rare that I have seen such a clear chance to support a project I believe in and perhaps make a difference.
yeah I know I was mad I missed the first one then I was like yes I can do it! Then I'm lkke wait why are they asking for more money.......I mean the ideas great...
I email them asked why my account closed. I sign up 2 years ago. and refer people. I tried to log in to check see how many sign up, but it said I don't have an account. I email asked. no reply. 3 weeks ago. I also email asked: how is the hand break or parking break? is it like the Toyota Camry on the left side foot by the door. press on it? or it on the center consult, or it auto break and park like Tesla. No reply at all more than 3 weeks. How do I be so sure to trust them to invest in them while they don't even reply my email and closed email with not reason or tell why they closed my account. I am in the same town as the company. If not answer me. I won't support them.
Never understood the advantage of powering the rear wheel. ICE trikes do just fine only running the front wheels. Now Aptera is going for FWD for the introductory offering, similar to the old Aptera that Jay Leno drove. Keep it simple . . .
Aside from the obvious addition of 1/3 more power, due to the very reactive traction control and ABS, the AWD version should provide more control on slick surfaces and would be the best choice for poor traction conditions.
@@n.brucenelson5920. 50% more power is a big deal. I can't wait to see the look on a Corvette or BMW owner's face when I smoke them with my AWD Aptera!
@@ronaldlenz5745 Yes, big fun! My primary interest in the car is economic operation and range, but the extra control the third wheel offers has me thinking about it. I have lots of MC experience, so I know what high power to weight means in the fun department.
Are you sure about The definition of tax incentives? 10k off? historically have been for 4 wheel vehicles, which is basically every problem aptera has ever had
At one time, 3 wheel vehicles were covered, too. The present proposals suggest a rebate at time of purchase rather than a tax rebate - up to $12,500 for Union shop built vehicles.
@@emmanuelgutierrez8616 See page 84 of the PDF of the Clean Energy for America Act www.finance.senate.gov/download/clean-energy-for-america-act-of-2019
I still don’t think this “ vehicle or it’s passengers will fare very well in any sort of collision. The vehicle looks soooooo fragile. As long as we keep producing stupid people we must continue to design equipment to combat them. While the EV stats on this are great, We must look at other important necessities beyond just that.
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Wat if aptera production does not takeoff. Reservation refunded?
@@terryterry1655 The reservations are refundable, just like the last time, when everyone got their much higher reservation deposits back.
There are no more Paradigm reservations available. Those were taken in the first week that deposits were accepted. You can order one of the regular Apteras of course.
Will Aptera have it's own financing to purchase the Solar powered vehicle after the governmental discount🧐?
Yippee!!! Keep the good news coming! Our Aptera is in my dreams.
I absolutely cannot wait to show the world what a wonderful vehicle the Aptera is. It's way past time for new passions in the world of transportation.
EFFICIENCY!
PRACTICALITY!
PRESERVING OUR BEAUTIFUL PLANET!
Thank you Aptera!!!
I think you could add "FUN" to that list.
I drew up that shark teeth decal sketch. It is closer to fan art right now than business. I wanted something to get stuck in peoples' (or Aptera's) heads to think about customizing the looks of an Aptera in hot rod fashion. I don't have a print shop myself to make vinyl wraps and considering I could use automotive vinyl tape and a razor blade. I based it off of the Flying Tigers in WWII. The fact Aptera has an actual nose cone makes it perfect for nose art. It be fun to see what people come up with.
I love the sharktara!
Thank you for the shout out on the Aptera Ambassador program.
-Love to see how the Sol is showcasing.
-Looking forward to what Jannies Sun can do with the financing.
-Need to ramp up factory automation and replication.
-Everyone wants one! (when they see it)
-We can all get the word out virally for maximum impact..
-This novel, long range, charge independent vehicle can be the ‘VW bug’ of our time! (yes, you can quote me) ;)
Congratulations and thank you for helping to spread awareness of Aptera
LA Auto Show is usually towards the end of the year. If there is one this year, would be nice for Aptera to have a couple of prototypes or production models there to show off.
The key point here is if the Aptera (as a 3 wheeled autocycle) will qualify for these subsidies. $10K off would make a HUGE difference in the Aptera's perceived value. And open up a much bigger group of people who could afford to own one. One benefit for me getting my Aptera later in 2022 would be if they can qualify for this or other big EV subsidies, it would make it worth the wait. I think that the auto closing door is just from gravity. Like most gullwing doors and rear hatchback doors, they have gas struts, and a stay-open position when fully opened, but lower than that the doors are pulled down by gravity and latch close by themselves. It's unlikely that Aptera would add electric motors for a powered closing door or "soft-close" latches, when a simpler, cheaper and lighter approach uses gravity and a well engineered, door, hinge, latch design. But sometimes vendors lower the cost of "luxury" features enough so that they are found on more economical cars (like electric powered windows and air conditioning).
But it's not $10K "off" the MSRP since EV credits are tied to your tax liability and are not magically subtracted off of the purchase price.
@@donnysnonsense Yep, that is why there are new programs being put forward to offer direct federal rebates at the time of EV purchase. I just hope that there is a consideration for including autocycles in any government EV subsidy programs, as that's the most important part for us Aptera reservation holders.
I think I agree with you about the door falling of its own weight from gravity. My hatchback does exactly the same when I don;t open it up entirely because the gas struts are beginning to give. Unfortunately my read hatch does not close entirely and I have to open and close it to get it to click all the way shut. lol
@@donnysnonsense So, in other words, this seems more like one of those tax-breaks for the rich. lol
@@fanfare100 It is important to not dismiss EV tax subsidies out of hand because it only benefits people with higher tax liability. The reason why I got into supporting EVs was because of my experience leasing and owning Chevy Volts. The Volt's lease price was immediately reduced because the leasing company figured in the tax subsidies into the monthly rate. For me that meant that I could drive a new, electrified car for just a little more than i was paying for in gas alone. And that is an EV incentive that would be great for students and lower income people looking for reliable, clean, transportation.
The Clean Energy for America Act specifies tax credits may not exceed 30% of the vehicle price. Also, I read the act and cannot see where autocycles qualify for more than $2,500 in credits. Can you explain how you got to $10,000.
I agree with you Richard. I think the Aptera should be included though even though it isn’t.
It does qualify for the $2500 past 2021 if this passes.
as I understand current $7.5k EV tax credit only applies to 4+ wheels cars and 3 wheels would only get maximum $2.5k or 10% from electric motorcycle tax credit
www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/individuals/plug-in-electric-drive-vehicle-credit-section-30d
but unlike what the video says I don't see how the new 2021 electric cars act changes the category for the aptera. only mention of the number of wheels is
"(2) 2- AND 3-WHEELED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC VEHICLES"
www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/395/text?r=6&s=1
so I don't think it's going to change. I would probably reserve an aptera short range/tri motor with solar panels if the $10k tax credit was confirmed
Will the (rarely used) off-road height adjuster be manual (lighter, cheaper, simpler, durable) or automatic (complex, costly, heavy, vulnerable)?
Will regen braking be strong enough to maintain speed on long downhill stretches? For one-pedal driving?
All good questions... for Aptera.
There will be at least 4 different levels of regen (including a 'coast' level) and the strongest settings should allow for one pedal driving down most hills.
Thanks for ur update.
Prototypes - Engineering Prototypes (to select parts) - Validation Prototypes (validates manufacturing & warranty testing).
3 wheeler perhaps less, but 4 wheeler would require to get full approval.
That's a huge incentive. Being a Canadian I have to ask my American cousin to buy mine for me. Waiting til 2022 for mine.
Why are the camera stalks mounted so conventionally vs higher up for better visibility, particularly for driver-assist binocular ranging? Seems like on front wheel spats (for looking around corners) & outside tailgate hinges (4-way views) would be more effective.
Having motors in the wheels means the unsprung mass of the wheels is a huge problem:
force=mass x acceleration or acceleration=force / mass so when the Aptera goes over a bump in the road the acceleration of the front wheels to lift the front wheels over the bump is very slow because of their large mass so the whole vehicle rides over the bump creating a very bumpy ride for the batteries, passengers & body of the Aptera. The stresses on the tires wheels & motors could damage them over time! If you hit a bump at high speed the tires could blow out! That is why low unsprung mass on a vehicle is usually a design goal? Like in German start-up Sono Motors affordable EV that can run on self-generated solar power alone. The Sion solar car will be sold for 27,873 USD. Drive is a three-phase asynchronous motor driving the rear wheels with a power of 120 kW (161 hp) & voltage of 400 V. Top speed 140 kph (87 mph). Sion has 50kW CCS DC & 22kW AC charging.
Where can you strap your surfboard to? Can you go through a drive through and get In and Out? Seems like the window is small and you’ll have problems reaching up to get your order.
As a three wheeler can you go on the hov lanes with one person in the vehicle?
After a is really very intriguing.
I hope they get it up to scale soon.
Stupid auto correct! Aptera *
I'm sure 1k range reservations will get deliveries first. 😋
In an Elektrek interview they said it's actually the last. 400mi first, then 250mi, 600mi then 1000mi. 400 is thier most popular pre-order option, then I assume the rest is to be able to produce art scale and ramp up when they can produce batteries faster.
I thought (according to the forum on the site) that the entry mileage versions had the most orders.
I keep seeing all these companies building conceptually great cars but never come to market.
What makes you think that the $10,000 credit would now apply to 3 wheeled vehicles? Does it apply to motorcycles?
they added language to allow for 3-wheeled vehicles in the tax credit
@@bemusedalligator Re: rebates vs tax credits- Maybe a two-tier approach with rebates to incomes below $80k-$100k? So you're convinced that inclusion as autocycle vs motorcycle into the tax/rebate proposals is certain? Thx!
Language was added for both 2-wheeled and 3-wheeled plug in electric vehicles
Can someone link to that language? I haven't found it.
@@bdunni88 NEW QUALIFIED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC DRIVE
13 MOTOR VEHICLES.-
14 (1) 2- AND 3-WHEELED PLUG-IN ELECTRIC VE15 HICLES.-
16 (A) IN GENERAL.-Clause (ii) of section
17 30D(g)(3)(E) is amended by striking ‘‘in the
18 case of a vehicle that has 2 wheels, after De19 cember 31, 2014, and before January 1, 2018’’
20 and inserting ‘‘after December 31, 2014’’.
21 (B) EFFECTIVE DATE.-The amendments
22 made by this paragraph shall apply to vehicles
23 acquired after December 31, 2017.
This is from page 84 of the PDF of the Clean Energy for America Act
www.finance.senate.gov/download/clean-energy-for-america-act-of-2019
This is Tesla 2.0! A guaranteed hit, especially with Sandy Munro on the team.
Nah, gravity closed the door.
Would be best if over 95 percent of us American's could get a under 20000 price tag without a tax break, because most people are poor. Also yes if people love everything about the Aptera sol and might find a way to pay for the car , if people really start to see people actually getting a tax rebate for purchase of the Aptera, because other oil and car companies always grease the law makers to stop three wheel competition, so I think Aptera could be a big player if no tax break was needed. People are going to pay up to 20000 price anyways on any car and after taxes people say it feels like paying 30,000 and more because most people don't have good steady jobs these day's and have a hard time paying for school and making ends meet on there own for alot of people.
I hope the aptera will make it to production without delays and will be able to fullfil the preorders. I think it's great to focus on lightweight efficiency, super impressed that they manage to make it 25% lighter than a Miata with much more room and a 60kwh battery, or almost 2x as quick to 0-60 for similar price before tax credit for the short range tri motor version.. and excited that they are planning a 5 seats version, but I really think they should have gone straight to 4 wheels/ 4 seats for the first version. right now with 2 seats it's really only for commuting or single/couples without kids.
I can't really really justify a second car if it can't even carry my wife and daughter. even though more than 50% of my trips would work with just 2 seats. orbit could be a good second EV for a small family that already has a larger ev. but it wouldn't want to need to use my ICE every time I drive more than 2 people. I guess being a very niche product was not a problem for their first low volume model and they wanted the best efficiency and decent solar range but I cant help wondering how much range/efficiency it would lose with 4 wheels and 4 seats. 250miles is already comfortable for the shortest range version considering it's more suited for commuting/city driving than long road trips.
Lots of european customers are waiting to know if it will be authorised in Europe. Any news? Thank you
It’s a few things that you haven’t mentioned in your vehicle and all three things are very important to me. # one is a heater # two is air conditioning # three is cruise control. Are these three things already in the vehicle? or are they add on’s? or just not available yet.
You simply can't put any heater in a vehicle with this kind of power budget. You can have a fan for AC. Not much more.
Yes, yes, and yes. All standard. May not be a heat pump from the start, but they are looking at it. I don't need a heater in AZ, so A/C plus resistance heat on the rare occasion is fine with me.
This car is perfect for Hawaii. I have been in the automotive business for 50 years. I live in Hawaii and my wife's large family lives in San Diego .I like to have a Aptera Dealer Ship in Hawaii. Hawaii is going to have a show room for a few Dealers in the closed Walgreen's store across from Walmart. I have built cars and rebuilt electric motors, service manager for car Dealers, and offered GM factory rep, for Buick. I'm also an inventor. I invented the BMX bicycle ( see me on youtube ) Randell Kim Panda BMX. , tools for ACE hardware, baby products, made an offer to buy The North Face etc. I have a product now that your CEO can sell and make money for Aptera. I lived in California for 50 years and the last 15 years in Piedmont Ca. then moved back to Hawaii.
I have one question, and I will repeat it everywhere: how much space is between the driver and the front wheel? In Italy we have to stop and pay for the highway use. The process is automatized, which is not closed to the driver and it is not allowed to exit the car. Does anybody has an answer?
0,5 meter my guess
@@humanpowervehicleclubrussi6746 Well, I think this is already too far away, Currently the ticket machines are about 50 cm from the shoulder, sitting in the car, so to get safely to the ticket machine the side of the car should be max around 25-30 cm of distance. With 50cm or more you cannot get to the ticket machine.
12.000 credit I wonder how you collect that or if it's a check sent back to you.. or can you put the money towards the car
1:38 Dude, that's gravity closing that door.
Nice update!
I want to see how it performs off road. I'm living in a developing country and many of the roads are bad. The sunlight here is very strong though!
There is an off road option which increases ground clearance. Where are you living?
My first concern is the sidewalk scrapes all over them front wheel fender covers, they should be re enforced with aluminum panels for durability.
Does this happen to Hondas, which have the same clearance? The bottom edge of the wheel pants is sacrificial, and can be easily and inexpensively replaced if there is damage.
@@n.brucenelson5920 ……the wheel suspension and linkage on the Aptera are more exposed and have a wider ‘wishbone ‘ stance thus more susceptible to damage. Personally I am thrilled on the engineering and effort put into his ev and look forward and anticipating its release later this year. I am also eagerly awaiting for Toyota’s solid state battery introduction which will be a huge game changer with its low weight and range capabilities.
@@DarkstarDarth Have you seen drawings of the beta design? Both the Elaphe wheel motor attachments and the suspension design have changed greatly from the alpha vehicles, as has the predicted performance, with design help from Roush.
@@DarkstarDarth The Toyota battery (if it reaches production) won't have dendrite explosions. That alone makes the massive difference, and Li-ion should be illegal in vehicles. Phone explosions are bad enough.
@@aussieideasman8498 #1- Solid state batteries will reach production soon #-2 driving myself lithium ion powered cars for years with zero issues and great mpg.
What's the source of the interior videos at 3:04?
Hey, I am not some cheapie. I want the vehicle with all bells and whistles. I will go to 60 thousand $$$. I just want one before I die😝😩🥸 Corpus Christi, TX.
I know money is important, but I hope that Aptera does not turn delivery of the first vehicles into a bidding war.
@@IBMara The first models to be delivered are the limited edition Paradigm models. My understanding is that they will be delivered in preorder number order. Paradigm Plus orders may be built somewhat later.
@@n.brucenelson5920 What constitutes a "Paradigm" model?
@@fanfare100 The first 220 vehicles are special edition vehicles. They will have 2 wheel motors, a 40 kWh battery, special interior features and an upgraded stereo system. They don't plan to make more of these special edition models. There are also about 120 (If I remember correctly) Paradigm Plus models that will be built with AWD and 100 kWhr batteries. These will be built later. I know that some of the early preorder holders ordered custom configurations. Those vehicles will be built later. The Paradigms will be the first ones built. They may also lack some of the features that later vehicles will get, such as a heat pump, because it is likely the reversing valves won't be ready.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Thanks. Hmm, so if I up my battery fro 25K to 40K maybe I'll qualify to be amongst the first 200. lol Since I did reserve a 2-motor version with the enhanced stereo, but also an off-road package and the 44 miler solar package and the camper package?
This better be worth the wait and not just a rehash of the government incentive deducted from the original price.
not gonna be worth it, obviously referring to 10k tax credit off base model
does calling this a motorcycle or an autocycle mean the government won't pay for it?
what had to change in order for the aptera to become eligible? its confirmed eligible?
how can i find out if other similar vehicles are eligible or not?
Any success (i.e., with other larger interests) lobbying for rebates vs tax credits? Maybe a two-tier approach with rebates to incomes below $80k-$100k? How certain is inclusion as autocycle vs motorcycle into the tax/rebate proposals?
My understanding is that automobiles qualify for US tax credits but autocycles still do not.
Is there any special meaning with the SOL title for the Aptera?
Sol is the name of the sun god. It is used for the white Alpha vehicle.
The black one is Noir, and the coming silver one will be called Luna.
SOL refers to the solar charging cells built into the body. An Option maximizes this feature.
aka "No Charge"...IF you live with good sun (Sol) which charges up about 40 miles of power, per day.
So if you only need a car about 3 times a week in sunny San Diego, THIS ROCKS !!!
Sol means sun in Spanish. Aptera is located in San Diego. Simple
I WOULD LIKE TO COME TO A SHOWROOM & SEE IT . I HAVE MANY QUESTIONS TO ASK ABOUT THE ITEM , I'M VERY INTERESTED.
When can i buy the IPO stock, which pays for the car later, like a Tesla ?
IPO is probably at least a year off. There will be another investment opportunity on their website soon, as soon as the SEC permission comes through.
A 50 million dollar investment round has just opened. An investment portal is on the Aptera website.
How do you sign up as an ambassador? Their website is not terribly intuitive. I bought non voting stock though.
Love the door concept and the new design, will they be touch less?
Looks like it's touch and close but I will look into it some more
Unlock and lock is touchless. They are still finalizing hinges and mechanism with safety and weight being prime considerations.
@@n.brucenelson5920 The way the door closed on the driver's side reminded me of how my hatchback closes itself if I don't open it up the whole way. Well, it comes down but doesn't actually latch shut.
So I wonder if anybody considered designing a vehicle set up using a joystick instead of a steering wheel like an aircraft design where you have joysticks on both sides of the car & you can drive the car from either side the pedals could be moved forward or backward depending on which side of the vehicle you’re driving and that will eliminate the issue of people in Europe that drive on the opposite side of the road, as that would be a huge reduction in cost, as this vehicle will be sold internationally!
The first thing I think of is why would they park the vehicle with the doors facing the wind because all the paragliders are going into the wind
People continue failing to understand how EV credits work. They are tied to your tax liability and are NOT magically subtracted off of the purchase price of the car. For example, let's assume you buy a $45K Aptera which is eligible for an imagined $10K credit. That credit is applied to any money you may owe Uncle Sam at the end of that tax year and nothing more. If you don't owe any money in taxes, you won't see a dime of it. Even if you owed $10K which was offset by the credit, you still paid $45K for the car since that's what you financed. These are not rebates or refunds that you get back at the end of the year that you can apply towards the balance of the car to reduce the actual purchase price. It's why I get so sick of hearing EVs advertised as "you only pay X amount after incentives" making people think they are getting a discounted price.
You can reduce your withholding so that you do owe $10,000 at the end of the year. A good question is, can you carry over the credit from one year to another if you don't use it all?
I would like to see this company succeed. But I have strong concerns about it Safety number one.And it only fits two persons. How ruggedness is it..over different terrains.But this design time has come in the right direction.
Can the aptera be fitted with Bose suspension.?
Since they grant right to repair, anything can be done.
I don’t know if it has A/C or not!!!?
It has A/C and heat and is spec'd to perform in ambient temperatures of -20 to 125 F.
Looks like a fun & brilliant offering. Is it initially exclusive to CA, or will it make it to the East Coast like Carolinas?
Kudos to Aptera for being a Freedom to Work factory like Tesla. I certainly hope the Feds will not block truely efficient EV's for having 3 wheels or Freedom to Work factories!
Cheers,
Eric
Aptera is offering right to repair, unlike Tesla.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yeah I liked that feature too. Of course for them it is currently because they do not have ability to be everywhere to make repairs. In some cases we may have to fix our own Aptera toys. Thankfully I have not met a mechanics tool I did not like :)
@@erickessler6094 The Aptera CTO is like this too. He has spoken passionately about letting customers do anything they like with their vehicles, including software. He is suggesting they will include a restore to factory reset in case an owner screws it up too much. He said, if we enjoy doing this, why wouldn't some of our customers?
They will open source the repair
documentation and allow installation of 3rd party parts.
Where do they have the spare tire?
As is true for many modern cars, Aptera will not carry a spare because of the weight penalty. A small compressor and a plug kit can address most roadside emergency tire problems. The wheel pants can be quickly removed.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Tesla 3 does not have a spare. You would need to carry tools to plug and inflate a tire.
Wow! 10,000 preorders! I'm #456.
833 here
did anyone invest?
Yes, including me. They have already met their goal and the round closes at midnight tonight, June 19th.
@@n.brucenelson5920 I know....i just got the email....im just thinking....how dumb would I be not too???
@@danielmayo5199 I wouldn't call choosing not to invest "dumb". Everyone has a different situation. To be fair, it is still at a risky stage, although far less risky than a year ago. If you can't afford to lose your investment it may not be for you.
However, it is rare that I have seen such a clear chance to support a project I believe in and perhaps make a difference.
yeah I know I was mad I missed the first one then I was like yes I can do it! Then I'm lkke wait why are they asking for more money.......I mean the ideas great...
@@n.brucenelson5920 "It is still at a risky stage", yet you take pains to ignore my input.
the only thing I don't like is the covered front wheels I would want to change them to motorcycle style mudguards
You would lose a lot of performance by doing so, because of increased aerodynamic drag. The wheel pants unclip easily, but at the cost of range.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yes I would need to experiment with just how much difference it makes...if it's too much I would have to live with them.
Spare tire?
No spare due weight. I plan to carry a plug kit and an air pump, which has worked fine on my motorcycles.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Look who's here? lol
Complaints aside
I’ll be the first one inline cash in hand
Way to convince me
It’s really happening
Hope to drive it soon
Complaints are on my channel.
dealer network ?
I think the plan is to sell direct
wow
I email them asked why my account closed. I sign up 2 years ago. and refer people. I tried to log in to check see how many sign up, but it said I don't have an account. I email asked. no reply.
3 weeks ago. I also email asked: how is the hand break or parking break? is it like the Toyota Camry on the left side foot by the door. press on it? or it on the center consult, or it auto break and park like Tesla. No reply at all more than 3 weeks.
How do I be so sure to trust them to invest in them while they don't even reply my email and closed email with not reason or tell why they closed my account. I am in the same town as the company. If not answer me. I won't support them.
So exciting
This vehicle would be for the average Joe and their families good job people keep up the good work
I worry that if you hit a pot hole, those wheel cowlings will be toast.
Hopefully it can move out of beach and get on the road.
Why should the federal government subsidize unions
Because otherwise we are paying tax dollars to keep working people eating and housed while companies get fat on their labor.
@@n.brucenelson5920 That's an outcome, not a reason. You do understand the difference? Now supply a valid reason.
A smart RUclipsr might host a site for Aptera owners' vinyl decal patterns. :0)
Still waiting for a four person model
They will start developing a 4 wheel, 5 passenger sedan around the beginning of 2023 if production of the 3 wheeler is moving well by that time.
I have a new one out.
Looks like the door fell on its own weight, closed.
Never understood the advantage of powering the rear wheel. ICE trikes do just fine only running the front wheels. Now Aptera is going for FWD for the introductory offering, similar to the old Aptera that Jay Leno drove. Keep it simple . . .
Aside from the obvious addition of 1/3 more power, due to the very reactive traction control and ABS, the AWD version should provide more control on slick surfaces and would be the best choice for poor traction conditions.
@@n.brucenelson5920 1/2 more power.
@@ronaldlenz5745 Yes, you are right. Thanks for keeping me honest!
@@n.brucenelson5920. 50% more power is a big deal. I can't wait to see the look on a Corvette or BMW owner's face when I smoke them with my AWD Aptera!
@@ronaldlenz5745 Yes, big fun! My primary interest in the car is economic operation and range, but the extra control the third wheel offers has me thinking about it. I have lots of MC experience, so I know what high power to weight means in the fun department.
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Are you sure about The definition of tax incentives? 10k off? historically have been for 4 wheel vehicles, which is basically every problem aptera has ever had
At one time, 3 wheel vehicles were covered, too. The present proposals suggest a rebate at time of purchase rather than a tax rebate - up to $12,500 for Union shop built vehicles.
@@n.brucenelson5920 would really love to confirm that 3 wheels are included
@@emmanuelgutierrez8616 See page 84 of the PDF of the Clean Energy for America Act
www.finance.senate.gov/download/clean-energy-for-america-act-of-2019
@@n.brucenelson5920 thank you so much. That was much easier to read than expected
WOW, reserve your now 2005, 2007, 2011, 2015, 2020, 2022, 2025, 2035, 2045, 2???
Munro and Associates is the "secret weapon." It' going to happen.
I still don’t think this “ vehicle or it’s passengers will fare very well in any sort of collision. The vehicle looks soooooo fragile. As long as we keep producing stupid people we must continue to design equipment to combat them. While the EV stats on this are great, We must look at other important necessities beyond just that.
I'd be curious to know what your comment is based on. Are you familiar w the design?
@Col Striker Look at my Aptera 2 video - I highlight the fact that it can split in two at the cooling channels. Tell me what you think of it?
the front wheel covers are the worst idea ive ever seen how has this happend
They contribute over 10% to the lowering of the Cd to below 0.13. It is only a bad idea if you don't like saving money and increased range.
@@n.brucenelson5920 how much to replace a broken one may be mudgards and wheel trims
@@tonybell7785 unknown at this point.
Aptera is giving a lot of none-answer to questions.
Which questions do you feel are unanswered?
There is a lot that is covered by NDA at this early stage.
@@n.brucenelson5920 Yet 4 months later, none revealed. How to answer without answering - like a politician.
Cut the price in half,its not a serious vehicle
It's kinda ugly.