Prof the Hon Gareth Evans speaks on AUKUS and B-52s - Politics, Sovereignty and Security
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- AUKUS and B-52s - Politics, Sovereignty and Security
Marking 3 years since the AUKUS Announcement
An IPAN webinar onMonday 16 Sep 2024
Host: Kellie Tranter (Lawyer, Human Rights Activist) IPAN Patron
Prof the Hon Gareth Evans (Australian National University) spoke on the politics behind the AUKUS decision and outline what a comprehensive and genuinely objective review of AUKUS might look like if the Labor Government undertook such a task.
Dr Vince Scappatura (Macquarie Uni) and Professor Richard Tanter (Nautilus Institute) presented findings from their18-month study into the upcoming deployment of B-52 strategic bombers to RAAF Base Tindal - and the strategic implications for Australia.
Kellie Tranter, lawyer and human rights activist; was an independent candidate for the NSW Parliament. Kellie regularly contributes political and social commentary to public affairs websites like Independent Australia, and National Times; has written for the Australia Institute; New Matilda. Chairperson, IPAN People's Inquiry (2020-2022)
Prof the Hon Gareth Evans AC KC FASSA FAIIA is Distinguished Honorary Professor at the ANU, where he was Chancellor from 2010-19. He was a Cabinet Minister in the Hawke and Keating Labor Governments from 1983-96, in the posts of Attorney General, Minister for Resources
Professor Richard Tanter is Senior Research Associate, Nautilus Institute, and Honorary Professor in the School of Political and Social Sciences at the University of Melbourne. Richard is a researcher and writer on the US bases and their influence on Australian foreign policy.
Dr Vince Scappatura
teaches Politics and International Relations at Macquarie University. His latest book is The US Lobby and Australian Defence Policy. Panel Member for the IPAN People's Inquiry (2020-2022)
"All things American'" indeed, I was stunned when the French deal fell through, and seemingly within only minutes the "3 amigos" appeared on my television, to say we have taken them down!
What I am now hearing is the aftermath, which I have been isolated from after moving to France some 20 years ago, the current feeling here apart from what Macron is doing, the Americans too are controlling this country's thinking and foreign policy!
The sooner we recognise career politicians repeatedly place their donors interests before ours, the more readily our democracy will slough the Dominion and stand Sovereign.
what democracy?
@@alfred-vz8ti : Are you deaf, blind and stupid?
@@alfred-vz8ti we have a democracy, it like all of them, is fragile though - and we as a people seem to be easily led. If not by the media, then by social media skullbuggery, if not those, by the same lack of critical analysis ability that enables the first two. There is a reason the right went after the unions and education. The elections here are not rigged. While not quite reflecting the popular vote it is good enough that a motivated public could send enough of a message through participation that policies would have to change. In the past even quite right wing governments in Australia have delivered near socialist policies, when pressed
Australia does as told by the US - whose Policies vacillate with Election cycles. US Foreign Policy has been a succession of failures, especially over the last 40 years. At present, the US-UK support Israeli Genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. But, AUKUS means the loss of our Trade in Asia. The US Debt increases by $One Trillion every three months. Australia’s Payments will provide some help for the US with its Debt - but we are unlikely to see any advantage from our huge Payments towards AUKUS.
@@chrisrand4333 no, you don't.
Never vote for party, they answers to the donors, always vote for independent politicians with no ties.
and even some of them ''do deals ''
Our voting system allows for preferences. I asked a local independent candidate a few years back now, "You're an independent, what happens to your votes if you don't get enough to win the seat?" Reply: "I will give mine to the Liberals". Obviously the other side of the spectrum do deals as well. Your vote therefore can end up where you didn't intend.
@@tonygjorgievski8966 Yes, you must check that the candidate is not allied with any party.
As the US said, Australia our unsinkable aircraft carrier. Total lose of sovereignty.
Funny thing is that we in Australia last year denied or indigenous population a fairer representation in their own country, so it seems not more than fair that we as white Australians have not much more to say in our country - important decisions are made for us in Washington. Considering we probably have goldfish in this country with more geo-political foresight than our politicians, it does not really come as a surprise.
source?
@@billfrugThe phrase "unsinkable aircraft carrier" is most commonly attributed to U.S. General Douglas MacArthur during World War II. MacArthur referred to Australia in this way because of its strategic value as a base of operations in the Pacific theater after the fall of the Philippines in 1942. Australia became a key staging ground for Allied forces to launch counteroffensives against Japan.
Beyond MacArthur, the phrase has occasionally been echoed by military strategists and commentators over the years, especially when discussing U.S.-Australia military cooperation, but it's MacArthur who is most associated with coining the term.
@@CruelaidBritain has a base in Cyprus.. Japan, Guam, Phillipines, Diego Garcia, would all qualify?. US has 80 odd bases, they created Somaliland to build a strip?..
The only good thing about AUKUS is that it has shown the government has unlimited funds. No more should we hear that there is not enough money for particular things because it just isn't true. AUKUS is a blank cheque.
Dream on, little one.
@@User0resU-1
Sniv.
@@User0resU-1 You must be the one dreaming, oh great one. Where do you think money comes from? Certainly not the taxpayer if you know the first thing about economics which I doubt you do.
@@amraceway and when you do, you know the price of such extravagance has the most terrible of price!
@@mcsando1154 What providing decent accommodation for everyone is extravagance? Providing everyone with affordable healthcare is extravagance? Providing useful education for everyone is extravagance? I think there is a terrible price to pay for not providing these things.
Australia has been forced to pay for "protection" from our largest trading partner.
Same m/o as mafia collecting "protection" money from small business.
Well put. America is the mafia boss of the globe. Hopefully, the Majority South/BRICS will give us a true "world rules based order", not the version where America makes the rules and order everyone around!
China is our largest trading partner and it's Free Trade with China! The deal with UK and USA jeopardises all trade with China and the new Multipolar world!!!!
UK AND USA OWN US, OUR RESOURCES, MOST OF OUR ROYALTIES, THEY PAY HARDLY ANY TAXES AND PROFITS GO OVERSEAS! WE ARE NOT A SOVEREIN NATION SINCE WHITLAM AND THEY HAVE MILITARY BASES IN OUR COUNTRY, JUST THE SAME AS JAPAN, GERMANY AND SO MANY OTHER COUNTRIES! WE ARE JUST A MINE, A FISHERY, A FARM ETC, WITH A DIVIDED POPULATION AND A WESTMINSTER DEMOCRACY!
WE ARE ALSO BECOMING THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WESTERN WORLD, ALONG WITH CANADA AND EUROPE! 🌍🤣😂
The sooner Australia realises we are simply Americas fifty first state and tells them where to go and becomes an independent nation and divorces itself from the warmongers being America and UK the better off we will all be totally agree with Professor Evan’s
We are NOT 51 th state! We don’t have any of rights per US constitution , sorry, do not delude yourself. We are at best .. the protectorate, with all the limitations accordingly.
Genius thinking Einstein .Once you've done all that....what's next? Perhaps go straight to China and tell them that Australia is almost completely defenceless from a military viewpoint and we've told the United States not to assist if we get attacked..Back to your Mensa application
Let’s Start a petition to say that we the people refuse to participate in any future war started by the Americans. I think we could get most all Australians on board.
I agree to that - and any wars started by anyone !
not a bad idea. but it would work better, if the people were citizens of democracy. so demand democracy, and then we wouldn't have to beg.
Hahahaha there no chance you would get either most or all Australians on board its good to have dreams not delusions
Brics, would have been a good fit for us?.
I’ve lived in three British colonies. Britain was a deceitful master in the first two….I don’t expect better living in Australia. The USA is a British/ Zionist colony and its collective loyalty is to Mammon. Australia should go full Switzerland and embrace neutrality.
Extremely lucid and accurate. I've been living in Taiwan for 30 years and am appalled at the pro US narrative in all of our media on all major issues. Demonizing China is absolutely the wrong way to handle this growing behemoth. Trade is our best defence and the oriental way to attain peace.
Which coloniea ?
Sounds like youre from russia instead. Look at ho bad former colonies now got - Rhodesia, south africa, hong kong - never talk bad about the Brits again please. The subs are jst one component of the new naval force
what australia needs is democracy. letting politicians run a nation is absurd.
but ozzies are trained to know their place.
sheep ,know to do nothing or risk the wrath of the animal farm [sheep] dogs
Yes. Over the years there's too many changes to our standard of living that I don't remember being asked to vote for.
@@PeterGregson-b5d…so what do you think is causing a decrease in our standard of living?..☺️
@maryannemckay3606 I don't remember being asked about mass immigration. Roads have never been more congested. Hospitals have had the guts stripped out of them. Payed parking. Higher taxes. During the 50s and 60s the tax payer funded roads now we have translink at additional costs to taxpayers. Water rates is an additional extra. Additional fuel tax. At the end of the day there's alot more coming out of ones hip pocket percentage wise. The 50s and 60s a family with one income earner could afford a house, car, holidays etc. The infrastructure was being built with that percentage of workers tax. Warragamba Dam Snowy Hydro and other major projects being built. Try and feel not intimidated and comfortable driving around Botany. I don't remember voting for the majority of Sydney suburbs being occupied by non Australians. But you're right. Life is much better now.
@@PeterGregson-b5d “I don't remember being asked about mass immigration.”
It’s a good thing we don’t have it, or at least no more than it has ever been, proportionally we have similar numbers to those throughout our history, and everyone has always been told it is to high by the conservative corporate media, yet we still go on.
“Roads have never been more congested. Hospitals have had the guts stripped out of them.”
And Taxes never so low, especially for corporations. This is what happens when government after government guy our tax base, and shift more and more of the tax burden from the well shod to the middle class.
“Higher taxes.”
This is false, our taxes are lower overall, but the burden has been shifted to the middle class, what has happened is that we earn less for our productivity proportionally, more of the income goes to profit and less to the workers
“During the 50s and 60s the tax payer funded roads now we have translink at additional costs to taxpayers.”
Privatisation is the inevitable outcome of Capitalism, those with money by the decision making process to be able to make more money.
“Water rates is an additional extra. Additional fuel tax.”
These have always been there, this is no new change.
“At the end of the day there's alot more coming out of ones hip pocket percentage wise. The 50s and 60s a family with one income earner could afford a house,”
Now you are on to something, look at the proportion of generated income that goes to workers vs profits and you will see why this is. Once again this is the outcome of unregulated capitalism.
“Try and feel not intimidated and comfortable driving around Botany. I don't remember voting for the majority of Sydney suburbs being occupied by non Australians.”
Put that racism on display there. And yep, there have always been “non Australians.”, at least they were, now they are Australians, wave after wave of “non Australians.” Becoming Australians it is our entire history, the only difference is first they were Italian, then Greek, then Maltese, Lebanese, Dutch, German, Check, Pole.. The list goes on and on… But at the end of the day, your issue is that then they were all white.
Then Came the Vietnamese, you probably were already singing this tune about “non Australians.” Now African, and Indian … But at the end of the day, they are just people wanting to make a peaceful life. No different to those who came before them, and no different to those who will come after.
I am not a labour voter but acknowledge that Gareth Evans is a brilliant man and a giant of foreign policy compared to the dimwits we have today
Australia should join BRICS before we lose our best customer China
Finally, someone with a brain!
We should also join the BRI and get China to build our infrastructure, as the have the best technology and build the best infrastructure in the world!
@@RoyVickers-s8d sounds like you get paid by the government to post online their talking points. BRICS is pointless, cant be a currency, and the countrys barely trade among each other even if they could. Rather instead it sounds like jealousy
As an older mature Australian , I have long held the view and been proud of both NZ ,Australia being Nuclear Free. We are now heading down a very dangerous path, if for no other reason what happens to all that nuclear waste?
We have off shored our nuclear waste from the rods from Lucas Heights.
We require a better future for those who come after us, we are custodians never owners of this vast continent this decision alone leaves them with a medium to long term toxic legacy.
Australia is not nuclear-free. We have Lucas's Heights and should have at least 5 nuclear reactors by now providing electricity at a reasonable price!! Australia, through our politicians, has turned into the dumb country.
Oh,nuclear waste. Bury it in the Great Sandy Desert in leak proof containers,deep,below the groundwater table.Australia is 2/3 desert and that won't change in hundreds of millions of years because of our latitudinal position with the stable sub tropical high pressure systems above.
And if you don't understand how earths movements occur in space and what drives the heat engine,you'll never be a Geographers bootlace.
How much nuclear waste is involved in cubic metres ? or swimming pools if you prefer.
You are illinformed. Lucas Heights waste is stored here in Australia at Lucas Heights. It's a tiny volume.
Albo is such a failure.
Another fool
AUKUS ? The US has almost no ship building capacity even for it's own navy. Oz has no nuclear expertise or infrastructure. What AUKUS ??
The US has built the most powerful navy by far.
The Submarines are to be built in Britain - with delivery .. perhaps .. by 2040!
@@dnickaroo3574 : Nope. The subs will be built in Australia starting in 2030. Don't you ever watch the news.
USA had no nuclear expertise in 1944 first nuke sub nautilas 1953
Hope the labour government listen to the honourable Garath Evans not following Scot Morrison decision who is now working for the US.
Thankfully thinking people realise Gareth has lost the plot.
Paul Keating, the late Malcolm Fraser, and Malcolm Turnbull are worth listening to.
The CIA and MI6 will undermine any Australian government that decides to opt out of AUKAS . America now has Australia as its 51 state
This is very depressing 😢😢😢
Be part of USA is like embrace the misery and never ending war..
Poor Australia....
@@romolob America is like a friend that you go to a pub with and always gets into a fight. Beats me as why we even sign treaties with such a country
Whitlam
We don't need attack submarines, we need ones for defence, not offence!
The fact that you think there's a difference, is a problem of education. It's up to the Govt to explain how deterrence works.
@@corvanphoenix Coastal defence as opposed to blue water offence, see the difference, maybe a problem with education!
@@brianlove8413 So, instead of defending small patches of blue, you want to defend massive amounts of coast? Yeah, there's more than an education issue...
@@corvanphoenix Blue water is the oceans, you know, WTF out in the middle of nowhere, or up around the south China sea. Do you have a comprehension of ocean size problem, so it seems to be to me, that you are the one lacking any understanding of this, and of this countries DEFENCE.
@@brianlove8413 The ocean size problem is your argument now? One more word in full caps & it would have worked for sure 🤣
From an ordinary kiwi’s point of view Australia’s Aukus decision is totally stupid strategic move apart frogm the open ended billions of dollars it will cost eventually.
Thankfully thinking Aussies realise your point of view is ridiculous as you rely on the Australian military totally.
I would love to hear Prof. Evans comments on BRICS?
the next super power! West has lost its power n i am no professor.
@@johnwong8336 : So a very small group of failed economies will be the next superpower. ROTFLAO.
149 Countries have shown interest in joining BRICS. The US-UK-Aust-NZ-Canada-West EU make up 15% of World Population. Australia & NZ have been invited to join RCEP, which was started by ASEAN Nations, together with China, Japan, and both Koreas (almost a sub-Group within BRICS). We conduct most of our Trade with RCEP nations - but we have NOT accepted this Invitation (perhaps because of AUKUS).
@@dnickaroo3574 : Australia was the founding member of RCEP. China is not part of RCEP.
BRICS is Brazil, Russia,India, China and South Africa. All failed economies.
@@buildmotosykletist1987dohac?
Wake Up Australia!
There is no stomach for Australia actually stumping up the funding for the independence in strategy advocated by Gareth. Military self reliance is very costly, too much for the lotus eaters in Australia.
Australia should drop AUKUS and, ultimately, join BRICS. A seismic shift is occurring in world politics, and significant realignments are underway. Neither Australia nor New Zealand benefits from needlessly holding on to the past and unreliable connections that no longer align with our strategic, economic, and security needs.
It’s a pity that only a handful of the comments posted here are considered responses and evaluations of what Prof. Gareth Evans actually said. The vast majority seem to be semi-ignorant opinions or car-sticker slogans that show no evidence that they bothered to spend even a few minutes to listen to what he’s saying.
And Australia is up-wind of NZ. There are wars, and they will continue, and will increase - that is just how USA swings. Have you viewed that movie "On The Beach (1959)? It is set in Australia and deals with nuclear extinction. I recommend it. But when Australia is hit, the radiation will come here with the weather - or maybe we will be hit too. But figure you in Australia are higher on the list of TARGETS.
Good comment ❤
Stupid comment. BTW, I was witness (along with Germaine Greer) to some of the filming of 'On the Beach' in StKilda.
It feels to me like Australia is no longer a sovereign nation and is being governed by people who do not care for the Australian people but are governing on behalf of somebody else.
Hoping NZ does not follow suit. Would rather go with BRICS
I fear that you have a forlorn hope as long as Winston Peters is the Minister of Foreign Affairs. He is itching to join AUKUS (and even East NATO if it is ever formed) to protect us from China, NZ's largest trading partner!! If NZ politicians of all persuasions and the citizens do not heed the lessons of the Aussies and stop trying to play in the big boys' games, then we're all bigger fools than we realise we want to admit.
So you'd rather join with a small group of failed economies. Hmmm, no smart.
You talking about usa ain't you?
Exactly exactly exactly right! As a student activist in the anti Vietnam war days alongside Gareth, I'm deeply saddened and dismayed by Labor's lack of steel. It's so diametrically opposite the Labor of old! and we will regret it when we see one of the billion dollar Virginians be destroyed by a cheap $10,000 underwater drone! Albanese should have had the balls to spend that type of money on resolving the public housing crisis with bold long term vision eclipsing the 'weak' foreign policy image he so pathetically cowed to!
Australia is 51st state of America.
Australia doesn't have its own sovereignty. it sold it for $2 by the Morrison government.
China China China
Thanks Thanks Thanks
Just imagine no more iron ore to China? India would be so happy
Sound analysis , and well spoken , Surprisingly for me , I completely agree with you . I think it is too hard for Australian political leaders to have a mature considered independent foreign policy - just too hard to think - and be electorally popular . An absence of statesmen with appropriate historical knowledge and perspective . Australia can never be autonomous in international affairs until it affords and develops a credible self defence posture . As Singman Rhee said “ Only those who dare to be strong deserve to be free . “ So for the mean time, it’s all the way with LBJ …. again , and we can focus on cost of living and other divisive perennial issues . Kissinger said ‘ America doesn’t have friends , it only has interests .’
Australia for BRICS.
Why join a small group of failed economies ?
we don't want to spend our money defending you..
Cry it out.
I definitely think there's room to talk about other options, but going back to a custom Barracuda is far from a compelling counter.
We have secured the best why not stick with it.
Morals from a Guy who sold out East Timor...hmmm
and our oil Kelp oil fields
Exactly...let's let him not forget it.
There is history there with Gareth and I seem to remember a dalliance with Cheryl Kernot. Don't remember how that ended!I remember him playing golf and conducting an interview on a golf course in Malaysia ( I think )and it looked like he was going to melt away!
@@lloydsingline340 I presume the Hon in the title is short for honey??
Evans is right. The AUKUS agreement has sucked Australia into U.S. military strategy in the Asia Pacific region. We have sacrificed our autonomy over foreign policy and will pay an enormous price for so called U.S. nuclear security. 'More risk than reward' as Evans says. Australia will be dragged into any regional military conflict as an ally of the U.S.
Australia's TV networks don't even allow comments on their YT channels.....despicable.
Same voices across the ditch, thank you.
The Professor was the haughty self opinionated Foreign Minister Australia ever had . Unfortunately our current Foreign Minister has nothing to be haughty about and no Opinions of her own .
What a articulate and erudite conclusion from Gareth Evans. Why did Scott Morrison not think through this throughly before jumping the gun in offending France in favour of this very flawed option. I am interested in hearing the history of and process that lead to this . May we learn from this and do better next time
….because Scotties main game was always about promoting himself and his own interests!…💁♀️
@@maryannemckay3606 sad but true
Thankfully no one listens to senile fools like Gareth.
@@maryannemckay3606 : You spelt "Albo" wrongly.
There won't be a next time !!!
Thank you IPAN for posting this webinar presentation. I've just spotted in your video section that you've also uploaded the presentations given after Gareth Evans by Vince Scappatura and Richard Tranter. They also provided a lot of important information about the implications of Australia's latest moves to further integrate into the US military system.
A marvellous analysis by Professor Evans.
Australia has had the misfortune of electing a mediocre politician like Morrison.
The Aukus initiative is a disaster; it followed making PRC an Aussie enemy and courting a dreadful economic fallout when PRC imposed sanctions.
The idea that you would have to wait 40 years for the delivery of subs was absurd to begin with.
Had no one in Oz heard of cost overruns?
Can you really trust the Brits to build stuff for you when their own armed forces are in such dreadful shape? Their aircraft carriers don’t work.
The proper approach would have been to buy 15 Collins class subs from Sweden, Rafale jets and missile destroyers from the French.
It is clear that Russia is now the world’s leading military power. You could have bought some great stuff from them. Just joking?
The fact is that an independent Oz could have made friends with Russia and PRC and prospered.
Oz should join BRICS.
None of this is now possible. You are linked up in a fatal friendship with USA. Bad to be her ally. Ask the Ukrainians and the South Vietnamese.
Better than the converted nuclear sub to conventional or the Japanese ocean going alternative, is the Clase S-80 Plus.
The new Spanish sub has the best current advanced non nuclear powered engine plant.
Allowing 15 days straight without any resurfacing and more affordable than the French.
With a long successful relationship already with Spanish shipbuilding, (LHDs + other surface warships) dumping this turkey AUKUS can be achieved without having to go groveling back to the French or sucking up to the Japanese for any perceived previous snubs.
We are better off with the "Best" rather than a littoral water sub.
@@buildmotosykletist1987
Drol
@@jdheryos4910 : So you have no argument. OK.
Israel purchased German subs because they are the quietest and run on H20, yes water! Japanese Subs aren’t to bad either! What about just buying some off the shelf Subs from these countries rather than this silly idea of the economic benefits downstream is stupid.
Yes Aussie might need subs, but it doesn’t need to become a a submarine manufacturer!
Hi France, Germany, Japan, UK, USA we would like to buy some subs!
Does Aussie want to become a submarine manufacturing nation? I Think not.
Lots Love From NZ
What would Evens Know? He spent all his time in Cheryl Kernot bush.
We are being groomed as the Isreal of the south pacific.
God I hope not. Anyone but them
Gonzalo Lira predicted that US next War would be against China. He predicted that as the US used Ukraine against Russia, so it would use Australia against China.
@@dnickaroo3574 interesting about Gonzalo.
Jump.
Sir, how high, Sir!
Biggles never had a clue.
Dear Gareth, as a forever Labour voter, untill today, so to say...your words are a painkiller, but the effects unfortunately last as long as this video.
As a multicultural Australian, all I can say is words I remember that have been said by someone else, long time ago:
"Seamos libres y lo demás no importa"
Jose de San Martin.
But then again, that's Spanish to most.....
The French have a nuclear submarine fleet. I may be wrong about this, but I thought that the planned submarine for Australia was originally a nuclear design. Is this right?
Why didn’t we go with the Saab subs?
That which starts with a lie, finishes as all should expect, unfortunately.
So, Gareth, whom would you suggest as an alternative to t AUKUS or the US Alliance? The PRC?
France ( and we recall the care for the South Pacific shown by their " in the eye" atmospheric nuclear tests). The option of neutrality, interestingly just abandoned after over one hundred years by Sweden) would mean a doubling, at least, of the Defence budget.
Of course, a dig at the Anglo Celtic institutions and tradition is par from the course from this completely forgotten and pitiable reject.
@@oweneather1435 no it's called being neutral.
Gareth has been bought and paid for by China.
Remmember imperial japan WW2 who would have guessed nippon navy escorted anzacs to galipolli WW1
One or two points there I would very lightly question, but overall ~ he's completely right.
I am not saying I'd like to weasel my way out of it, we're in it now, we signed on the line ~ or at least our government did. I have reservations about that decision, but I have reservations about trying to get out of it too.
I don't have a lot of confidence in the French boats we were signed up for ~ I do have a great deal more confidence in the American boats we replaced them with. I think they are a world leading technology, extremely well engineered and well built. Shame we won't get them for 40 years or so.
I do mourn our loss of sovereignty. Being a junior partner of America in the Indo-Pacific was already a fact of life before this. This just locked it in. But major parts of the Australian armed services, naval and air-force, are now effectively US Irregular forces, to command as they wish.
Under those conditions, the distinction between nuclear powered and nuclear armed is the time it would take to sail to a US mainland port and load up some nuclear armed missiles. Everything necessary to arm and deploy and fire those weapons is already on the boat. All you need is a round in the chamber, and the launch-code from the US President. Not the Australian PM, the US President.
If you think the brawl is about to start, do you want to be holding a cricket bat, or a pistol, (lent to you by a gang member) or a peace sign? There are valid arguments for and against all three. It does very much depend on how this brawl came about, and the fact you're now holding a pistol makes it a whole lot more likely you'll be shot at instead of punched. It doesn't lower the temperature. Maybe you wanted to be a bigger threat, or maybe you're just now realising how much he's going to charge you for that gun, because like it or not, it's yours now.
If you carry a big stick, you are now one of the people with the big sticks. It becomes a bit hard to go back to the innocent bystander if you come brandishing a tactical nuke. Do we want to be a nuclear power or not? Because that’s what we’re buying here.
“It’s nuclear powered, not nuclear armed.”
A: You are a fool. I own a semi auto pistol and I carry it, but it’s not loaded. How hard is it to slip in a full magazine, in two seconds if you need one? If you don’t actually have a loaded mag, then what the fk are you carrying a gun for? You’re going to be treated and dealt with like you’re armed. People are going to see you as an armed participant and you’re an idiot if you think otherwise.
says the person who gave away Australias Kelp Oil fileds to Indonesia free of charge
"The honorable"? they love their titles don't they? the gasbag loves the sound of his voice
Hi, During the Q & A after the presentation Gareth asked to please be called Gareth. He did not ask for this title to be displayed in the publicity for the event; that was IPAN's call. We felt it respectful to refer to he, and Dr Scappatura; and professor Richard Tanter by their titles. I encourage you to focus on Gareth's message. Warm regards Jonathan, IPAN
❤US submarine deal, time are tough, 😮oohhhh , a sucker don’t come everyday,former Uk PM Suark and a Guy call Joe, great deal❤
why a fake book cabinet?
AUKUS spelt backwards SUKUA.
.... or US+UK+A = USUKA
You suck a.
So glad you started talking about this. Quand viendra la saison nouvelle?
1. Cost is a big issue as Aussie economy is not healthy, can't even house its people... 2. Taiwan is likely to occur before subs built, if ever... 3. Smaller nuclear powered subs more suited for crews sizes available, but meshing with the US has its advantages... 4. China likely to run out of economic steam eventually, with AI manufacturing etc... 5. Agicivitas would make Australia much stronger economically with exponential standard of living increases, it is the future and keeps Aussies in control... 6. UK latest sub run is finishing and Astute class could be easily added to their existing production run according to their engineers... but they said any changes to their design would cause delays and big cost increases, better to use their proven tested design with smaller crew sizes...
It is all very well and good to say and think this but how do we apply enough pressure on the imbeciles in power to stiffen their backbones enough to stand up and reject what you and many of us believe to be a huge mistake in our so called democracy.
Over 70% of Aussies (the sensible ones) strongly support AUKUS thankfully.
How do you derive the figure that 70% of Australians support AUKUS deal?
It’s funny how these ex politicians are so much more realistic about our relationship with the USA after they leave parliament! The US treats its friends nearly as bad as it treats its enemies!
I guess Evans doesn’t have to worry about the US doing a dismissal to him.
Gareth will be getting treatment for his senility.
Australia must foremostly protect its territorial waters- lawful maritime zone - which essentially means extension vastly beyond lines of demarcation that, in fact, don't meet those of other countries except to the north and New Zealand's, employing technologies in keeping with affordability and principles pertaining to energy resource use. Never mentioned is the foreign maritime territorial barrier to the north, which limits navigation towards Indochina and beyond, a stretch across over 3 time zones, about 5000 to 6000 kilometres wide!. A tiny fleet of exorbitantly costly submarines, not at all the necessarily complete gamut of required technologies for maritime security deployment, will either have to circumnavigate Australia's vast coastline or be wholly committed to being way beyond the reach of the home base and in potentially hostile waters distinctly at a disadvantage and thereby needing the nation to be one that is bound to at all times live by clutching at the apron strings of a Power, if at all the kind of Power that does not rely on smaller nations for support (but it looks like it does, too!)
One can not help seeing how ludicrous it is that plans supposedly urgently required for security need to wait two (2) decades to be deemed equipped! I did not even say "fully" equipped; it is beyond ridiculous, insane, and perhaps delusional to pursue objectives that are not gonna provide that and be thus characterised as half-baked!!!
Australia must stand by Taiwan
Taiwan is a part of China, and inalienable part of it. If you doubt this, look up the UN Status of it, and the US State Department although the US speaks with a forked tongue on this and many other subjects! So, are you supporting China?
No
Of course we will. Never doubt it.
Really? Most of Taiwan's computing and chip industries are established on the Chinese mainland, and close to 40% of the Taiwanese electorate favour unification with China.
Like we stood by Iraq ,Vietnam and Afghanistan. How did that turn out?
Politicians should get their family to be on the front line if they decide going to war is a good idea
Commiserations.
A careful analysis of humanity's deep betrayal of trust in the multilayered cycles of educational responsibilities to children is beyond words.., and a complete reiteration of the Totality is always overdue.
If the MAD bomber type are actually feeling restricted from their piratical ways, perhaps we can have some hope we can imagine alternatives to groveling and giving in to every want.
Much respect for the professional expertise in not passing judgment on the overt criminality of the situation, thank you.
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