It would have been nice if you had shown an example of the device output in use. Instead you showed what appears to be a plastic box that attaches to a pipe. From this consumer's perspective, there is nothing in your video that would convince me to look any further. From a former tenant's perspective, I would not have any confidence that this sensor is more accurate or reliable than a purpose-built meter if I am paying for the water use.
Thanks for your feedback. The online software application leaves much to be desired, however, it does shows the daily water total for billing purposes. You are correct, this is not intended to replace a purpose-built meter. Often times, a building may only have one water meter at the source, so these devices are intended to be added to downstream pipes for individual billing purposes. The “clamp-on” style allows for simple installation.
Say you had a 36 unit condo or apartment building and wanted to monitor each unit seperately is there a discount for multi units and do people just pay the 5 bucks and the meter is included?
I purchased the device and I am using it to monitor my irrigation water usage at a vacation house. A couple of things are annoying: 1. The device only updates to the cloud once a day - you cannot request real time data. 2. The data granularity is only gallons/day - wish it would offer gallons/hour. 3. The website displays very poorly on an iPhone - you can really only use it with from a computer browser. .
Good points, I agree with all of them. It is my understanding that the device was created as way to send monthly “utility” bills to tenants that share the same water meter. It’s not a great tool for realtime leak detection, notifications, etc. I have tested other devices that are better suited for that. If interested, I’d love to chat and learn more about your use case. calendly.com/andyhumphrey/15min?back=1&month=2024-04
@@Andy_Humphrey At our present home, our irrigation system and pool auto-fill-top-off tees off of the same meter that measures water to the house. We have installed a Flume device that does a nice job of informing of usage for the house, irrigation system, and pool and even has the capability to trigger an auto-shutoff valve in the house. The problem is that the pool auto-fill can work very slowly and appears to be a leak to the Flume. Hence, what I'd like to do is use a non-invasive clamp-on (ultrasonic?) detector on the branch that goes to the irrigation system and pool. It needs to be battery-powered (like the Flume), outdoor-installation capable, and communicate via WiFi, LoraWAN or similar and, ideally, have the ability with API (or similar) to integrate with automation or via IFTTT (though even just providing email or SMS notifications would help). My thought is that I may be able to automate (or - at least do manually) the following: * If Flume reports leak, Check flow on irrigation/pool branch * If flow on irrigation/pool branch, turn inside house water valve back on and send notifications -or, possibly better yet: *If flow on irrigation/pool branch, temporarily suppress inside valve turn-off Note - The sensor does NOT have to measure flow rate - it just has to detect flow. I stumbled upon your video when researching SimpleSUB, but now see that it doesn't quite provide the "real-time" flow sensing-with-notification. Have you come across any other sensors that are close to my desires listed above? Tall-order, I know.... At a previous home, we had separate irrigation meter, but we don't want to dig up this yard.... Kind regards, Michael
It would be better if they gave you an option to plug this into a wall socket and allow more frequent uploads to the cloud. I could mount this to a water pipe inside the garage, which not only keeps it dry but also gives a clearer signal to the Wifi router.
That would be a nice option. Alternatively, you can try Stream Labs. I have used Stream Labs for about 4 years and it works really well, it will record a single toilet flush. StreamLabsWater.com
I am interested what are the fees for cloud base software? I need this for an apartment building with 32 units I want to monitor hot and cold water. So 64 devices.
Very sorry for this delayed response, just seeing this. Fees are five dollars per month, per device, for this unit. There are other units now available that are superior to this, if you’d like to learn more, let’s chat!
This works with PVC, CPVC, PEX, Copper L, and Copper M pipes. For 200mm (4”) you may need to cut the pipe or a least drill and insert an impeller style flow sensor.
Good question. I’m not actually sure, probably best to contact SimpleSUB directly. There are other similar options that will work in Canada, feel free to contact us and I can assist. -Andy
I don't know if the data plans are compatible with South Africa. Alternative options using LoRaWAN are available. Please feel free to book a meeting with me to talk about these options. calendly.com/andyhumphrey/30min
@@Andy_Humphrey apologes, sir, normal citizen here, not that technical, however our government and home owners need a devise like this one, has manually sending out people to do meter readings has failed miserably, I would love the opportunity to be the accredited installer of you product.
Great question. You are right, it does not know where the water is going, only the volume going through it. If there are additional branches of the piping system downstream, additional sensors can be added to provide a deeper layer of data.
@@Andy_Humphrey self hosted on a local server or just having a way to access everything directly on the device. If the company closes up shop the device is basically a brick. I'd also like to see a user replaceable battery.
I am interested what are the fees for cloud base software? I need this for an apartment building with 32 units I want to monitor hot and cold water. So 64 devices.
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does it has a card sim for internet data?
Wish someone would make it for solo cloudless use and hourly data(with minimum contact) with manufacturer. In fact, I am going to pursue that.
It would have been nice if you had shown an example of the device output in use. Instead you showed what appears to be a plastic box that attaches to a pipe. From this consumer's perspective, there is nothing in your video that would convince me to look any further. From a former tenant's perspective, I would not have any confidence that this sensor is more accurate or reliable than a purpose-built meter if I am paying for the water use.
Thanks for your feedback. The online software application leaves much to be desired, however, it does shows the daily water total for billing purposes.
You are correct, this is not intended to replace a purpose-built meter.
Often times, a building may only have one water meter at the source, so these devices are intended to be added to downstream pipes for individual billing purposes.
The “clamp-on” style allows for simple installation.
Can it be outside?
What is the annual fee for the cloud storage? Any other costs beside the purchase price?
I believe it’s $5/mo. There is nothing else needed!
Say you had a 36 unit condo or apartment building and wanted to monitor each unit seperately is there a discount for multi units and do people just pay the 5 bucks and the meter is included?
I purchased the device and I am using it to monitor my irrigation water usage at a vacation house. A couple of things are annoying: 1. The device only updates to the cloud once a day - you cannot request real time data. 2. The data granularity is only gallons/day - wish it would offer gallons/hour. 3. The website displays very poorly on an iPhone - you can really only use it with from a computer browser. .
Good points, I agree with all of them. It is my understanding that the device was created as way to send monthly “utility” bills to tenants that share the same water meter. It’s not a great tool for realtime leak detection, notifications, etc.
I have tested other devices that are better suited for that. If interested, I’d love to chat and learn more about your use case.
calendly.com/andyhumphrey/15min?back=1&month=2024-04
@@Andy_Humphrey
At our present home, our irrigation system and pool auto-fill-top-off tees off of the same meter that measures water to the house. We have installed a Flume device that does a nice job of informing of usage for the house, irrigation system, and pool and even has the capability to trigger an auto-shutoff valve in the house. The problem is that the pool auto-fill can work very slowly and appears to be a leak to the Flume. Hence, what I'd like to do is use a non-invasive clamp-on (ultrasonic?) detector on the branch that goes to the irrigation system and pool. It needs to be battery-powered (like the Flume), outdoor-installation capable, and communicate via WiFi, LoraWAN or similar and, ideally, have the ability with API (or similar) to integrate with automation or via IFTTT (though even just providing email or SMS notifications would help).
My thought is that I may be able to automate (or - at least do manually) the following:
* If Flume reports leak, Check flow on irrigation/pool branch
* If flow on irrigation/pool branch, turn inside house water valve back on and send notifications
-or, possibly better yet:
*If flow on irrigation/pool branch, temporarily suppress inside valve turn-off
Note - The sensor does NOT have to measure flow rate - it just has to detect flow. I stumbled upon your video when researching SimpleSUB, but now see that it doesn't quite provide the "real-time" flow sensing-with-notification.
Have you come across any other sensors that are close to my desires listed above? Tall-order, I know....
At a previous home, we had separate irrigation meter, but we don't want to dig up this yard....
Kind regards,
Michael
It would be better if they gave you an option to plug this into a wall socket and allow more frequent uploads to the cloud. I could mount this to a water pipe inside the garage, which not only keeps it dry but also gives a clearer signal to the Wifi router.
That would be a nice option. Alternatively, you can try Stream Labs. I have used Stream Labs for about 4 years and it works really well, it will record a single toilet flush. StreamLabsWater.com
I am interested what are the fees for cloud base software? I need this for an apartment building with 32 units I want to monitor hot and cold water. So 64 devices.
Very sorry for this delayed response, just seeing this.
Fees are five dollars per month, per device, for this unit.
There are other units now available that are superior to this, if you’d like to learn more, let’s chat!
IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE IN 200MM HDPE PIPES
This works with PVC, CPVC, PEX, Copper L, and Copper M pipes.
For 200mm (4”) you may need to cut the pipe or a least drill and insert an impeller style flow sensor.
no options for Canada?
Good question. I’m not actually sure, probably best to contact SimpleSUB directly. There are other similar options that will work in Canada, feel free to contact us and I can assist. -Andy
It will be great to market this product in south africa, if it could just send a reading once a month.
I don't know if the data plans are compatible with South Africa. Alternative options using LoRaWAN are available. Please feel free to book a meeting with me to talk about these options. calendly.com/andyhumphrey/30min
@@Andy_Humphrey apologes, sir, normal citizen here, not that technical, however our government and home owners need a devise like this one, has manually sending out people to do meter readings has failed miserably, I would love the opportunity to be the accredited installer of you product.
@@Gabriel-qp5tn it's not *my* product, but I would be happy to chat with someone about remote reporting options.
How does it know what water is going to what person?
Great question. You are right, it does not know where the water is going, only the volume going through it.
If there are additional branches of the piping system downstream, additional sensors can be added to provide a deeper layer of data.
How much?
At the moment it is $329 on their website.
O a digital counter, too
How mutch
Here is a link to the current pricing: simplesubwater.com/buy/
Very cool but not a fan of cloud based devices. I'd prefer something that is self hosted.
Understood. You mean self hosted on a local server, or, self hosted in the cloud?
@@Andy_Humphrey self hosted on a local server or just having a way to access everything directly on the device. If the company closes up shop the device is basically a brick. I'd also like to see a user replaceable battery.
I am interested what are the fees for cloud base software? I need this for an apartment building with 32 units I want to monitor hot and cold water. So 64 devices.
@@johnazmery Curious why you would ever need to monitor an apt's hot and cold water usage.
In case there's an adu in the basement. @@keithwood1106