Yes. I think recruitment agencies are one down from estate agents. Q: Why don't recruitment agents look out of the window in the morning? A: Because if they did, there would be nothing to do in the afternoon.
The worst fake job adverts are those of the civil service and local authorities. They've already got somebody internal lined up but are just going through the motions.
@@CarlTebbutt RUclips is difficult to make a long term stable income from though, you need constant new content to make a full time living from it. I follow a lot of RUclipsrs who are starting to struggle for content, they put more adverts and sponsorship plugs in the videos and I get less and less interested in watching. Plus this channel is about his unemployment and job hunting experience so if he gives up looking for work, he's lost the content for this channel and has to think of something else.
building a pool of candidates is one side of it, but I think the biggest part is those reference contacts, because that's direct contact with hiring managers, it's a foot in the door.
Another practice recruitment consultants engage in, is juggling their candidates to maximise their fees in the long term. They save their exceptional candidates for the “big job” further down the line. Why put their best candidate forward for a “transactional” role when their other (average/good) candidates could secure the role. If they put their best candidate forward for the easy role, they will get just one fee. If they save their best candidate for another harder role, they could get two fees.
I had this opinion many years ago, and I still have it today, and that is that I reckon that at least 90% of jobs posted by agencies will be fake. I even caught one particular agency out, to the extent that they couldn't have possibly argued that it was just a mistake. Recruitment agents and agencies are most definitely NOT to be trusted!
Hi there, had a great interview yesterday but no answer so not too hopeful. Its so deflating and I feel that being over 50 goes against me. Its good that you are looking into this area.
I'm waiting to hear back on two Interviews I had this week, including one that felt really good. It's frustrating to be waiting and wondering and thinking "if you are going to reject me, hurry up and do it so I can move on"
@@bigwideworld387 youre rejected until they accept you and offer the job - move on with other applications...dont be emotionally attached to getting a specific job
Unfortunately in my experience if they don't call you straight away it's unlikely you've got the job 😢. Although I did have one that called me months later as first choice didn't work out. And one that did take a while to get back but I did get the job. But overall they usually call you back very quickly.
@@palmtree-e2l one said they had more interviews to do and it would be a week or two and that they'd tell me either way, the other never said when I'd hear but I've had interviews with that company before and rejection emails usually come fairly quick and I've not had that yet so there's still hope at this point. I'm finding it more and more long winded these days to get a decision or feedback, especially if it's through a recruitment agency.
The recruitment industry exists so that low paid work is apparent. Also I worked very briefly with M'sons in D'Side doing meat production. M'sons advertised the job on their own website, whilst i was actually doing the role (through a Romanian RC agency), I applied to M'sons but got 'sorry email'. Its £12 per hour agency, so not able to get mortgage. So live abroad, may try again!!!!
I said this to a guy in the job center yesterday and you guys touched on this, you could be a 60 or 70% match and the company wont hire you because they have to invest something in you. Its getting to be quite irritating and tiresome. Some company's used to have training programs, you spend a week or so in training and then a few days or however long in an induction and then you start working for real. Just seems like those days are long gone.
@@palmtree-e2l I was just made redundant from a place where everyone had been there 10 to 30 years or more. Many of us have no interest in job hopping and I always make it clear in interviews that I have no interest in job hopping. Also if they think you are a job hopper they wouldn't even offer you the job. Nobody chooses to job hop in this day and age because it's pointless and irresponsible if you've got financial responsibilities. The most often used phrase I hear is 'we want someone that can hit the ground running" which literally means we don't want to have to train or develop anyone.
What has started happening is due to diabolical recruiters. Companies have started to create their own in-house talent acquisition department. I seen some recruiter send a candidate. After three months getting that candidate another gig. Hence getting multiple fees back to back from same candidate.
Some agencies are worst than others when it comes to ghost job ads - once your BS detector is finely tuned you can usually spot them from a distance and learn just to take that agency with a pinch of salt. I've also come across recruiters who have gotin touch about a role after having ghosted me on a previous role, even though I've politely followed up and chased them - I automatically blacklist any that have treated me in such a manner and won't work with them again. It's a two way street and how you treat people matters.
There are definitely fake jobs out there, I found out i was ay risk pf redundancy in early May and jobs i applied for then and never recieved a response for are still appearing as alerts in my inbox now at mid Oct!
@@Sonya_Makepeace I do as well as a few others and I definitely think indeed is the worst for ghost job alerts! That said I have submitted my CV's to local.rectuiters that claim to have loads of suitable jobs on their sites and they ring me, tell me they'll look at opportunities for me and I never hear anything again!!
@@bigwideworld387 My Dad always told me to pay a personal visit to a company, so they can see you in the flesh. That has worked for me, although I didn't take my clothes off, LOL!
Your video cofirms what I had suspected about recruitment agents over many years ago . What you said said about Civil Service recruitment isn't true based on my expereince , sometimes the department may do external and or intnernal recruitment , candidiates who are surplus in their current posts maybe given preferance that's part of agreement with trade unions in all government departments . For external it's anonymised to be free from bias as possible . However you may find yourself competing with candidates who have learnt or taught about hitting the correct keywords for the bahviours in the job advert.
The ghost jobs situation is misunderstood, especially in the UK. What often happens is people kick off proactive interviews in the hopes the job becomes real. For example, if multiple consultancies are responding to a competitive bid for services, or RFP, the end-client's criteria is likely to be that you have a team ready to go. In the UK, you rarely have the budget to have anyone on bench, so you handle this via proactive recruitment and immediately kick off recruitment. Sadly, there's only one winner in most RFPs, hence the view that these jobs were never real to begin with.
I lost out on a job that was filled internally, 2 months later i get a call as the internal person had left and i was the strongest candidate. I'd already secured another job but if i hadn't it would have been a shoe in so it can be worth interviewing for those roles.
Good luck. I'm captured by your story and channel. You surprise me that you'd still be on the fence on whether to accept the professional position if offered... Surely that's been the goal all along and what you're qualified for! Would you be planning to leave the store job after a short time, even continuing to apply after starting it? If your are, perhaps that's telling you you ought to accept the accounting job? Watching your journey and sending you strength mate. Martin
Perhaps agencies wouldn't get people through the door if they don't big up their vacancies. I hate agencies and if I see a job via an agency I just pass.
Is a very un unethical industry using the used car sales man methods of earning money. Something very fishy with how it has evolved over time, and why is it so expensive to post jobs on the online platforms, for websites which have very little costs.
I work in house for a major pharma company in TA/ hiring. We get on average 300 applicants per role - if it is a UK role - the candidates salary expectations are way beyond the band, not prepared to work a hybrid model and do not have the legal right to work in the UK.
Two pieces of advice I would give job seekers is you have to apply for 20 jobs a week and expect an interview a fortnight. The idea of having 1 or 2 jobs on the boil a month is naive
@@m60kaf I'm applying for what I can since redundancy and had three interviews this week - they come like buses. But there's no guarantee how many suitable jobs will appear each week. I can't apply for 20 jobs a week because they don't exist and that's the problem! Jobs that don't want a silly amount of experience, jobs that don't pay a poor wage for a 42 hour week and that aren't a two hour round commute away! Jobs that don't want to provide nationwide cover and give up your home life and live on the road and in hotels - I'm H&S not a long distance driver. It's finding realistic jobs to apply for.
@@bigwideworld387 I've been told to always think whats next step, if you're getting the interviews the applications are working. One of the interviews will turn into a job. It can take 10 or more interviews to get a job. I confirmed that doing some number crunching on some gov jobseekers stats. You're also up with the issue that the people who are interviewing you think it's "easy" to get a job, I always give a "spent a bit of time dealing with family commitments and now keen to secure the next challenge"
I disagree, I only apply for jobs that really interest me, maybe one a week and have been offered two positions, that I declined due to the contract offered. I can go weeks without applying for any.
NEVER go through a recruitment agency, EVER. Always apply directly. There's absolutely no benefit to going through an agency. An agency will claim they've got some special amazing relationship with the company (they don't). They just want their fees.
I think we are going have to have some sort of revolution...hopefully not violent... as things need to change radically. Maybe we are seeing the 1st stages of the disinvention of work
I disagree, the system/politicians want people off benefits. They make it increasingly difficult to claim. The government soon will want terminally ill people to go back to work! UBI is a dream. They don't care about people. Soon you'll be only able to claim unemployment benefits for 6 months. The West is turning into Hunger Games.
A lot of the jobs on Indeed are suspect. I m 54 and am struggling to get anything. Only applying for minimum wage jobs. Just really anxious about the future 😢
I despise the whole industry. Yes, a strong word, but that's my feeling toward agencies. It's soul-destroying how we're being treated.
Yes. I think recruitment agencies are one down from estate agents. Q: Why don't recruitment agents look out of the window in the morning? A: Because if they did, there would be nothing to do in the afternoon.
The worst fake job adverts are those of the civil service and local authorities. They've already got somebody internal lined up but are just going through the motions.
Ghosting and no response seems to be the norm now! Along with them looking only for the perfect candidate
and employers wonder why Gen Z apparently have a bad attitude to employers
You dont need a new job. What you're doing here could be what you need. You are articulate and seem very good at talking to people.
@@CarlTebbutt RUclips is difficult to make a long term stable income from though, you need constant new content to make a full time living from it. I follow a lot of RUclipsrs who are starting to struggle for content, they put more adverts and sponsorship plugs in the videos and I get less and less interested in watching. Plus this channel is about his unemployment and job hunting experience so if he gives up looking for work, he's lost the content for this channel and has to think of something else.
@@bigwideworld387 Just an idea but he clearly he has more to offer and I hope he succeeds in finding his next job.
building a pool of candidates is one side of it, but I think the biggest part is those reference contacts, because that's direct contact with hiring managers, it's a foot in the door.
Another practice recruitment consultants engage in, is juggling their candidates to maximise their fees in the long term. They save their exceptional candidates for the “big job” further down the line. Why put their best candidate forward for a “transactional” role when their other (average/good) candidates could secure the role. If they put their best candidate forward for the easy role, they will get just one fee. If they save their best candidate for another harder role, they could get two fees.
I had this opinion many years ago, and I still have it today, and that is that I reckon that at least 90% of jobs posted by agencies will be fake. I even caught one particular agency out, to the extent that they couldn't have possibly argued that it was just a mistake. Recruitment agents and agencies are most definitely NOT to be trusted!
Wasn't there a survey a few months ago showing around 40% of advertised job vacancies are fake
I definitely agree.
You're a great interviewer 😊
Hi there, had a great interview yesterday but no answer so not too hopeful. Its so deflating and I feel that being over 50 goes against me. Its good that you are looking into this area.
I'm waiting to hear back on two Interviews I had this week, including one that felt really good. It's frustrating to be waiting and wondering and thinking "if you are going to reject me, hurry up and do it so I can move on"
Most HR people are thicker than a box of frogs nowadays
@@bigwideworld387 youre rejected until they accept you and offer the job - move on with other applications...dont be emotionally attached to getting a specific job
Unfortunately in my experience if they don't call you straight away it's unlikely you've got the job 😢.
Although I did have one that called me months later as first choice didn't work out. And one that did take a while to get back but I did get the job.
But overall they usually call you back very quickly.
@@palmtree-e2l one said they had more interviews to do and it would be a week or two and that they'd tell me either way, the other never said when I'd hear but I've had interviews with that company before and rejection emails usually come fairly quick and I've not had that yet so there's still hope at this point. I'm finding it more and more long winded these days to get a decision or feedback, especially if it's through a recruitment agency.
The recruitment industry exists so that low paid work is apparent. Also I worked very briefly with M'sons in D'Side doing meat production. M'sons advertised the job on their own website, whilst i was actually doing the role (through a Romanian RC agency), I applied to M'sons but got 'sorry email'. Its £12 per hour agency, so not able to get mortgage. So live abroad, may try again!!!!
I said this to a guy in the job center yesterday and you guys touched on this, you could be a 60 or 70% match and the company wont hire you because they have to invest something in you. Its getting to be quite irritating and tiresome. Some company's used to have training programs, you spend a week or so in training and then a few days or however long in an induction and then you start working for real. Just seems like those days are long gone.
As a nation we've given up investing in people and rather import labour
Job centre workers are stealing a living. Some of them are nice enough but its the truth
I think they can't be bothered to train people as people job hop a lot so it's not worth it.
@@palmtree-e2l I've been in jobs for a number of years...they don't care to train people...job hopping is irrelevant
@@palmtree-e2l I was just made redundant from a place where everyone had been there 10 to 30 years or more. Many of us have no interest in job hopping and I always make it clear in interviews that I have no interest in job hopping. Also if they think you are a job hopper they wouldn't even offer you the job.
Nobody chooses to job hop in this day and age because it's pointless and irresponsible if you've got financial responsibilities.
The most often used phrase I hear is 'we want someone that can hit the ground running" which literally means we don't want to have to train or develop anyone.
What has started happening is due to diabolical recruiters. Companies have started to create their own in-house talent acquisition department. I seen some recruiter send a candidate. After three months getting that candidate another gig. Hence getting multiple fees back to back from same candidate.
Some agencies are worst than others when it comes to ghost job ads - once your BS detector is finely tuned you can usually spot them from a distance and learn just to take that agency with a pinch of salt.
I've also come across recruiters who have gotin touch about a role after having ghosted me on a previous role, even though I've politely followed up and chased them - I automatically blacklist any that have treated me in such a manner and won't work with them again. It's a two way street and how you treat people matters.
There are definitely fake jobs out there, I found out i was ay risk pf redundancy in early May and jobs i applied for then and never recieved a response for are still appearing as alerts in my inbox now at mid Oct!
Are you using that awful Indeed website?
@@Sonya_Makepeace I do as well as a few others and I definitely think indeed is the worst for ghost job alerts! That said I have submitted my CV's to local.rectuiters that claim to have loads of suitable jobs on their sites and they ring me, tell me they'll look at opportunities for me and I never hear anything again!!
@@bigwideworld387 My Dad always told me to pay a personal visit to a company, so they can see you in the flesh. That has worked for me, although I didn't take my clothes off, LOL!
Interesting .enjoying this channel.💙uk
Your video cofirms what I had suspected about recruitment agents over many years ago . What you said said about Civil Service recruitment isn't true based on my expereince , sometimes the department may do external and or intnernal recruitment , candidiates who are surplus in their current posts maybe given preferance that's part of agreement with trade unions in all government departments . For external it's anonymised to be free from bias as possible . However you may find yourself competing with candidates who have learnt or taught about hitting the correct keywords for the bahviours in the job advert.
Really love your channel 👌🙌
Very insightful. Good video and a real eye opener.
The ghost jobs situation is misunderstood, especially in the UK. What often happens is people kick off proactive interviews in the hopes the job becomes real. For example, if multiple consultancies are responding to a competitive bid for services, or RFP, the end-client's criteria is likely to be that you have a team ready to go. In the UK, you rarely have the budget to have anyone on bench, so you handle this via proactive recruitment and immediately kick off recruitment. Sadly, there's only one winner in most RFPs, hence the view that these jobs were never real to begin with.
They collect information and then they store it and sell it
They tell you they have a great opportunity for you. Then a week later you’re getting whatsapps from bulgarian prostitutes & crypto scammers
Wouldn’t surprise me.
to who ? most people are on LinkedIn no need to buy info
40 % is "Job Ghost". And nobody will understand it.
I remember doing a temp job in a famous chocolate factory. I couldn't belive how inefficient and marketing ignorant they were.
Wonka's went downhill after Gene Wilder 😊
@@skyblazeeternoyeah the oompa loompas could talk the talk but couldn't walk the walk.
My friend Charlie said the same
I lost out on a job that was filled internally, 2 months later i get a call as the internal person had left and i was the strongest candidate. I'd already secured another job but if i hadn't it would have been a shoe in so it can be worth interviewing for those roles.
Good luck. I'm captured by your story and channel.
You surprise me that you'd still be on the fence on whether to accept the professional position if offered...
Surely that's been the goal all along and what you're qualified for!
Would you be planning to leave the store job after a short time, even continuing to apply after starting it? If your are, perhaps that's telling you you ought to accept the accounting job?
Watching your journey and sending you strength mate. Martin
Perhaps agencies wouldn't get people through the door if they don't big up their vacancies. I hate agencies and if I see a job via an agency I just pass.
Also selling personal details to advertiser .
That's a thing
Is a very un unethical industry using the used car sales man methods of earning money. Something very fishy with how it has evolved over time, and why is it so expensive to post jobs on the online platforms, for websites which have very little costs.
I work in house for a major pharma company in TA/ hiring. We get on average 300 applicants per role - if it is a UK role - the candidates salary expectations are way beyond the band, not prepared to work a hybrid model and do not have the legal right to work in the UK.
Two pieces of advice I would give job seekers is you have to apply for 20 jobs a week and expect an interview a fortnight. The idea of having 1 or 2 jobs on the boil a month is naive
@@m60kaf I'm applying for what I can since redundancy and had three interviews this week - they come like buses. But there's no guarantee how many suitable jobs will appear each week. I can't apply for
20 jobs a week because they don't exist and that's the problem! Jobs that don't want a silly amount of experience, jobs that don't pay a poor wage for a 42 hour week and that aren't a two hour round commute away! Jobs that don't want to provide nationwide cover and give up your home life and live on the road and in hotels - I'm H&S not a long distance driver. It's finding realistic jobs to apply for.
@@bigwideworld387been applying regularly since May. Not one interview. The occasional reply saying I didn’t make. Next step. But that’s all.
@@bigwideworld387 I've been told to always think whats next step, if you're getting the interviews the applications are working. One of the interviews will turn into a job. It can take 10 or more interviews to get a job. I confirmed that doing some number crunching on some gov jobseekers stats. You're also up with the issue that the people who are interviewing you think it's "easy" to get a job, I always give a "spent a bit of time dealing with family commitments and now keen to secure the next challenge"
I disagree, I only apply for jobs that really interest me, maybe one a week and have been offered two positions, that I declined due to the contract offered. I can go weeks without applying for any.
NEVER go through a recruitment agency, EVER. Always apply directly. There's absolutely no benefit to going through an agency. An agency will claim they've got some special amazing relationship with the company (they don't). They just want their fees.
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UBI has to be coming soon. Especially with the rise of AI
I think we are going have to have some sort of revolution...hopefully not violent... as things need to change radically. Maybe we are seeing the 1st stages of the disinvention of work
@@skyblazeeterno i heard that too. later than terminator 4 as we need a movie.
I disagree, the system/politicians want people off benefits. They make it increasingly difficult to claim. The government soon will want terminally ill people to go back to work! UBI is a dream. They don't care about people. Soon you'll be only able to claim unemployment benefits for 6 months. The West is turning into Hunger Games.
A lot of the jobs on Indeed are suspect. I m 54 and am struggling to get anything. Only applying for minimum wage jobs. Just really anxious about the future 😢
@@donna6949 a lot of shops are recruiting for Xmas staff at the moment
Recruiters are not sales people and never will be! end of convo 😉