Sam Raimi's Best Scene (Is In a Movie He Didn't Direct)
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The engineering drawing of the hula hoop with the name "extruded plastic dingus" is the funniest shot in the sequence, actually
you're forgetting the greatest Coens/Raimi collab of them all: Raimi's wordless cameo as a cop dual-wielding revolvers who gets shot to death in Miller's Crossing
When I saw the title I thought it was this scene
He wasn't wordless. Doesn't he have a conversation with Gabriel Byrne when his cops raid a speakeasy early in the movie?
Why haven't they collaborated on anything else yet?
Yep. That was exactly my thought as well.
@@Advent3546 In the raid scene he just grunts.
Having seen the interviews that Pierce Films has released on youtube, the bit about the city in Hudsucker Proxy looking like Gotham City... is... because those models from Hudsucker Proxy got reused whenever pretty much any Hollywood film needed tall buildings during the latter half of the 90s. And that included Schumachers both Batman films, Independence Day, Godzilla, and The Shadow.
They were expensive to build so dangit, the FX house wanted their moneys worth from what they made.
The thing about those interviews (I was rewatching them last week) is that Mark Stetson (who owned the FX house hired for "Hudsucker") had the chance to buy the buildings back from Warner Bros. for like $10,000, but passed on it, because they'd only be a storage problem for him. So WB sold them to Universal for $100,000 (because Universal was on a bidding war for those buildings for "The Shadow"). Then, later on, WB had to *rent* the buildings back for the "Batman" films.
They had a wild life, those buildings: ruclips.net/video/l-gYCm3kuQE/видео.html
Raimi is a true artist. I would put Edgar Wright among the top montage-ists of all time, too. Actually, there seems like a lot of overlap in their style. I wonder if Wright was inspired by Raimi?
In many ways Edgar Wright is a more refined, slicker version of Sam Raimi.
Raimi was one of Edgar's biggest inspirations as a young filmmaker, he was a big Evil Dead fan and would edit his own version of the films as a teenager
(Also, Raimi invited Wright to direct Evil Dead 4 but Edgar rejected because he thought he wasn't good enough to do it IIRC)
@@yyalp Wright mentioned that Evil Dead II and Raising Arizona are the films that made him want to be a director. When he met Raimi and told him so, Raimi joked to him, "Don't say that, you make me feel old."
@@fredericmigneret4211 the fact that one of my favorite directors was inspired by another one of my favorite directors is so fun to me.
Edgar, Raimi and Hitchcock are probably the reason I want to be a filmmaker. Shaun of the Dead, Spider-Man and Psycho had a huge impact on me growing up
@@fredericmigneret4211 another fun interaction was when Edgar told Sam about his experience reediting Evil Dead for fun and Sam simply replied with "Why would you do that?"
The Hudsucker Proxy is my favorite movie. Growing up, my family had a New Years Eve tradition where my dad would finally get to pick the movie we watched as a family. He used those nights to introduce us to lesser-known film gems (eg, Spielberg's Duel). One year when I was a teenager, he put on The Hudsucker Proxy. After it was over, I stared at the credits with my mouth open. I didn't know before that night that movies could do that, could be so stylistic, could move you emotionally AND make you laugh AND be so witty AND feel so ethereal and whimsical-like a cartoon for grown ups. The opening scene is, to this day, one of the most moving several minutes I've ever experienced-the mood, the visual style, the slow camera, the gently falling snow, the narrator's voice, the commentary about the fleeting nature of significance, all culminating in that rush of sweeping music that gets me every time. I love the visual metaphors of "going round in a circle" and "moving up and down again" (karma vs corporate America, second changes, and more). Then there is the light touch of magical realism with the clock engineer and the janitor being not-always-passive deities that (it's only just occurring to me) remind one of the feeling you get from the Eyes of TJ Eckleberg.
For me, the spiritual cousin of The Hudsucker Proxy is Joe vs The Volcano. These are movies that are deceptively meaningful and profound in their observations about life and meaning, but because they are a bit childlike in their earnestness and exaggerated in their style, they go unnoticed and under-appreciated. But oh, these are stories. Told by people who have something to say and a personal taste in a way to say it. I'm grateful for these movies. I only wish they were more lucrative so there could be more of them.
Exactly
What a great comparison to Joe vs The Volcano, very insightful!
You know, for kids!
Came here to comment this
Had to google to see that line and is that Blue from Old School he says it to???
My wife and I love this movie; we are forever stuck adding "you know, for kids" to completely unrelated phrases.
Same.
+1 I need to introduce this film to more people!
My wife says it to me all the time.
I do the same thing
Sure, sure.
Sam Raimi being a collaborator with the Coen brothers explains so much about Raising Arozona an why it is still my favourite Coen movie. It's a prefect cocktail of both.
So happy we will get to see the movie soon - and ecstatic we'll get a Rugrats shout out in it!
Hudsucker Proxy is my favorite coen brothers movie because it enters my super specific microgenre of fairy tales that aren't exactly fairy tales and are also kinda dark. Other movies in this genre includes Perfume and Big Fish
"my super specific microgenre of fairy tales that aren't exactly fairy tales" 👈 YEEEEESSSS, this is my favorite genre!!! I'm so glad you worded it like that. They are like fairy tales, aren't they? Others that come to mind (not necessarily dark, and maybe they aren't technically fairy tales but they remind me of them, if only tonally):
Joe vs The Volcano
Amelie
Strictly Ballroom (kind of)
Batman Returns
Spider-Man 2
Edward Scissorhands
Speed Racer
Pushing Daisies, which is overt about being like a whimsical fairy tale
Pan's Labyrinth (more literal fairy tale and definitely dark)
Gilliam's Adventures of Baron von Munchausen also comes to mind!
@@da47934 Whoa, as someone who has always put Hudsucker Proxy and Joe vs The Volcano in my top 5 movies, I feel suddenly seen :)
@@graydonjames6435 haha, whoa, I've never heard anyone else say both of those are their favorites! What are your other favorites?
Streets of Fire and Joe Vs the Volcano too
For the season finale, will there be a condensed video of everything leading up to it? I have been following, but it would be nice to have a concise video of the story in the lead up to the finale. Looking forward to watching it in a month!
Raimi is a noble guy. He defended John Woo when the studios wanted him to direct instead of the Hong Kong legend.
when you watch that movie...it is clear that Raimi directed second unit
@markbrinton7132 not really, Woo is also known for going over the top too. Plus, the only interference of the film was van damme, who wanted some scenes edited down because he felt he was getting upstaged by Lance Hendrickson. I know about the production stories.
Wow. I watched "The Hudsucker Proxy" soon after it came out, and the only thing I really remember is that montage. (In part, this is because the "how much should this cost" bit is an eerily accurate representation of how upper management often ignores research.) At the time this montage also reminded me of the short film, "The Red Balloon," which I still contend was delilberate.
"Raimi tells mythic stories about cursed protagonists"
Wow. It's almost like he was destined to direct a Dr Strange movie based on the trends in his filmography.
I only got round to this film recently whilst rounding up all of the less popular entries in the Coens filmography, and I was shocked at how good it was.
It truly feels like a forgotten classic, the production style, sets, performances, EVERYTHING comes together to fit a specific tone that feels very nostalgic. And it has one of the best sequences commited to film, in the hula sequence.
Everyone who never bothered to see this when it came out truely owes to that scene and Jennifer Jason Lee's performance. Both are at a level to where they should have been referenced heavily through pop culture all through the past 30 years.
I think it might become an annual Christmas time film for me
I love how Patrick takes an concept, explicates it very well, but then goes one further and gets meta about it in a really convincing way. In this video it was "this hula hoop is like the reception of the movie itself." In one of the Mission Impossible videos it was about how Ethan Hunt is whoever Tom Cruise (or his public persona) is at that moment. Really interesting, clever perspectives I never would have thought of.
"I can't blow a bubble with gum, ugh, I'm a failure . . . bye." That was some great Charlie Brown vibes right there.
Raimi's theme is pretty simple. He has an keen understanding of the Absurd and what makes life feel, well, Alive. His theme is the Absurd.
It's interesting that you should say that the city in Hudsucker looks like Gotham. The models they created for this film were rented out by the studio afterwards to other studios due to the cost of making them. One of the films they rented it out to was... Batman Forever
You know, for kids! I LOVE this movie and never understood why it failed. It's such a simple movie that works from its character work and dialog. Sam really did a fantastic job, that montage scene has had free space in my brain since I saw it many years ago. It's so effective and the tune in the background makes you want to tap your foot to it.
9:11 The stark contrast change in Patrick, Him being energized throughout this part is what makes me love. In lieu to the scene he is talking about, which in itself is a packet of frenzy being unpacked.
I have always loved this movie. Explicitly for this very montage. I never realized it was Sam's work. Great video.
From one failed hula hooper to another, I feel your pain! Stoked for the film in a couple weeks, thanks for all that you do Patrick.
I had no idea about the connection between the Cowns and Raimi. I've always liked The Hudsucker Proxy and I've always wondered about the different feel between the Coen's manic comedies and their other work as well as A Simple Plan, which felt like Raimi making a Coen brothers movie at the time.
Wow, great video. I had know idea about the Cohen/Raimi connection. Love hearing these little known Hollywood stories. Lots of fun. Thanks.
Literally signed up last year for Nebula to see the Charles Saga ending, since then the subscription ran out. But honestly I'll sign up again to see it!
Thanks Patrick, can't wait to see your masterpiece
Raising Arizona feels like a Raimi film because its cinematographer Barry Sonnenfeld was essentially an uncredited co-director. The Coens had yet to develop their own style and relied on Sonnenfeld to create the visual energy the story needed.
So not to nitpick but Patrick says this movie was the Cohen's biggest budget feature ever, but at 25 Million they have a number of movies over that budget, including Intolerable Cruelty which had a budget of 60 Million. Even if you adjust for inflation, Hudsucker cost 34 million in 2003 dollars, the year Intolerable Cruelty came out. Love the video and agree with the premise, just interested how he came to that conclusion.
As soon as I saw the title "Sam Raimi's Best Scene Is In A Movie He Didn't Direct", I immediately knew it was going to be the Hula Hoop scene from Hudsucker Proxy. Such a great scene
Great Essay. I've always loved that montage. Nice to see Raimi getting some praise.
I feel like regardless of other people having done it first, you seeing yourself as the kid spinning the hula hoop on his neck is an accurate reading of the montage as part of the metaphor for the movie's creation. By encouraging people to see the movie you are literally filling the same function as the kid in the montage, the same way that if I go tell someone to see the movie, I would be too.
Thank you for pointing out to me that the reason why Raising Arizona is my favorite Coens film is because it is the Raimi-est.
I hope now that the finale is finally about to drop we can go back to more small content about random nerdy rants like this. This is honestly in my top five RUclips channels, and I am so psyched for a feature length charl finale, but also hopeful for some small projects again going forward. Great work as always, always love this channel even when I disagree with the take. Also, way to needle drop the best bit of Beethoven ever for that trailer. So psyched.
When were these videos anything else? Even during the Charl storyline, that stuff mostly just bookended a nerdy video essay.
It sounds like the Coens might have felt the film was their baby, and they thought "we should get Sam for these parts". It takes a lot of balls to hire a director that can outdo you.
I think at the time Raimi was considered the "third Coen brother".
I always knew the hoola hoop bit it was Raimi's work as those sticker slaps slapped. His cameo as one of the Big Idea Men didn't hurt either.
Think Patrick’s Raimi horror comedy essay was the first video of his I ever watched. Nice to see things finally come full circle.
I love that the kid on the Hoola poster looks like the kid who saves the hoop
"saves the hoop" lol. proof that he scene absolutely delivered it's intent
When I was a kid I couldn't hula hoop for more than 2 seconds and I didn't know how to get better. For years it was just one of those things I couldn't do and couldn't improve in, so I didn't really think much about practising - just trying it every now and then to confirm that it was still a mystery. But one day, before school, I picked up the hoop and started hula-ing and it just... stayed... going around and around. I couldn't tell what I was doing differently, but I didn't want to break the spell, so I just kept hula-ing without dropping the hoop for over 10 minutes - there was a clock nearby - but then I had to stop so I wouldn't be late for school (and also I was starting to feel a bit nauseous). So the lesson is: there's nothing you can do, but maybe the hula gods will just happen to smile upon you someday?
It’s worth noting that the Coens’ camera techniques started a bit more energetic and manic like Raimi’s in their earlier work, though obviously never to the same wild degree. I was watching Miller’s Crossing the other day and I noticed a few shots that still mined that well. but it gradually calmed down and got more subtle as they went on. This movie is still in the Coen’s early years which is why Raimi’s style slots so well into it and doesn’t feel out of place with the rest of the movie.
One has to imagine that has to do with Barry Sonnenfeld working as cinematographer on their early films before leaving to start his own directing career.
Think you also got to credit Barry Sonnenfeld who shot the early Coen films up to Millers. He was equally as wacky.
How is the RUclips algorithm only just now suggesting your channel to me?! I instantly subbed on the strength of this video. Hudsucker is one of my fave movies, and I looove Raimi too, but had no idea he made the montage here. It truly is amazing. Much respect, and I'm looking forward to watching your other content!
TRAILER HYPE!
Not a Dr. Mike cameo!!! Whaaat!? Forget MCU, this is the greatest crossover event!
Talking about montages and not mentioning Edgar Wright? Blasphemy!
Not going to lie. Reflecting on this sequence from one of my favorite (underrated) films brought tears to my eyes.
from the title i thought it would be the matt smith dancing scene from morbius, which was clearly inspired by bully maguires dance
Paul Newman as a villain is terrifying! Like Gordon Geckos grandpa
Sam Rami needs to talk to Rick Remender about making a fear agent movie/ series. Bruce Campbell even looks like Heath Huston and his dad should be played by Sam Elliot
Reminds me of Michael Scotts Dunder Mifflin Commercial
So glad you covered this; this was one of my favorite films of all time, and my favorite Tim Robbins film as well.
Multiverse of Madness is quite bad, though, whoops 😆
Hudsucker is my favorite Coen brothers movie.
A hula hooping tip! Adults do actually need bigger weightier hoops. Also keep the hoop on the waist, keep the upper body mostly stable, put one foot forward and gently move forwards and backwards, kind of like if you're using a foot pump. From there, you can learn the different techniques for hips, neck, and some funky knee and hand moves. Never give up!
This is why Sam Raimi is my favourite director. He. just. loves. MOVIES! Or pictures as he calls then. 💘
Patrick, if you're looking for a great Joel Silver anecdote, my dad has a story of sitting in an edit suite with Joel when Joel took a phone call and stepped out into the hall. Joel was gone for a couple of minutes before my dad heard, clear as day, Joel angrily shout, "You're just a cog in my Hollywood wheel!". Joel then returned to the edit suite in seemingly good spirits.
I did not expect that cameo at the end of the trailer!
Please change the batteries in all of your smoke detectors.
Night of the coconut might be one of the most anticipated -short- movie of the past 2 year... So many delays, budget, sound, visual effects issues over the years....🤣🤣🤣
letting you have this, Pat! you're the kid with the hula hoop! night of the coconut looks awesome
Who is disliking a video about Sam Raimi? Do we live in a society? I am the Walrus?
I remember seeing this film on late night television when I was a kid. Loved it but no one else had heard of it
Perfect timing for Night of the Coconut to come out, just as multi-verse movies are all the rage. Hyped!
I thought he was going to say Shawn of the Dead, which always feels like a Raimi movie to me.
Patrick “and there’s one movie I don’t see anyone talking about..”
Me: “please say the Quick and the Dead. Please say the Quick and the Dead”
I love THE HUDSUCKER PROXY and think the only thing that lets it down is the name.
US audiences are notoriously fickle about movie titles with words they don’t know or understand. THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION being a good example, the change of PHILOSPHER to SORCERER in the first Harry Potter movie.
THP is an hilarious movie and the cast, script and direction are super-tight. Even now when I think about doing anything work wise I immediately think of Tim Robbins’ “We’ll I’m for it!” line.
It is massively under-rated and brilliant entertaining.
Isn't edgar wright also really good at montages
This is one of the very best "bothers" movies. It's seriously underrated. Sure its very Capra-esqe, but why is that a bad thing? Love it.
its not a bad thing
My goodness this man works his arse off
To hula hoop, you need more forward/backward and less side to side. And yes, that one's a kid size, you need a bigger hoop.
By the lack of mentions about The Gift I take it you're saving talking about that movie for the Keanu Reeves podcast. I'm excited for that podcast to come back. We haven't gotten enough of Keanu yet!
17:40 Tim Robbins' facial expressions are some of my favorite I've ever seen in a film , when he stars trying to talk to that foreign girl then gets punched in the face, the faces he makes when trying to talk is hilarious
21:40 and he did one in Doctor Strange 2!
Desde Argentina: ¡¡¡¡ Alucinante !!!!! Gracias por hacerme amar el cine un poco más con cada vídeo...
Armenian composer not Russian
Hudsucker Proxy is one of my favorite movies and Rain I is one of my favorite directors. Yet one of my favorite scenes of Sam Raimi is in a movie he didn't write or direct. In Indian Summer he plays an assistant to Alan Arkin at a summer camp. Despite the popular actors in the movie, the scene I always think about is the physical comedy Sam does trying to get luggage out of boats at the dock. It is like a classic silent comedy.
I no joke had to write a dissection of this scene in my film studies course 3 years ago
Yay, my first new P.H.W.™ vid!
If this montage is what I think it is, we're for a treat... Personal favorite of mine.
PS: 27:44 There are not enough chef's kisses in the world to say how cool that poster is...
Today (August 29th) Netflix at their Hollywood movie theater known as The Egyptian screened "The Hudsucker Proxy."
And yes I attended -- seeing it on a FULL SCALE SCREEN. Checking off a "bucket list" film. Patrick: nice "valentine" to the montage.
I recall watching this film on regular cable aged … 12ish? … and just calling absolute bullsnot when that child nailed the concept on the first try.
I think I may have cried. Still can’t do it. It’s impossible and anybody who can hula hoop is a simulation.
Aram Khachaturian is an Armenian composer.
I randomly watched this movie during quarantine.
I made it part of double feature with "Joe Versus the Volcano".
Better than I expected and those movies pair well.
I know exactly WHY you made this video.... You know... For kids.
Sam Raimi might get a kick out of this, even if he doesn't know any Bengali.
_Kacha Badam কাঁচা বাদাম - The Kiffness x Bhuban Badyakar (Drum & Bass REMIX),_
as seen by literally millions (some of whom recognize Spider-Man) at:
ruclips.net/video/mV-qGna_4Eo/видео.html
You know... For kids!
Hey Patrick, a great presentation of a great scene, just wanted to point out that Aram Khachaturyan had Armenian parents and Name and was born and raised in Georgia. Yes, he made his career in Russia but by no means he was a Russian. "Soviet Composer" would be correct without having to describe his whole biography.
Man, I’ve been thinking about this weird movie since I saw it that one time with my parents as a little kid. I always remembered the main plot, but also weird tone.
Knowing it’s a Raimi/Coen collaboration makes it make much more sense in hindsight.
HUDSUCKER is the best film the Coens and Raimi ever made. Very lucky to see it in 35mm earlier this year. Raimi’s best as a director is probably QUICK & THE DEAD, but A SIMPLE PLAN has the best performance he ever directed (Bridget Fonda’s)
The gag of the price - a thousand accountants work out the retail price of .79c and when the head of accounts doesn't like it his 2nd in command tiditly over-steps everyone's work and adds a 1 to make it an approved $1.79
Now that I’ve discovered Craig McCracken & Genndy Tartakovsky used this movie as a major inspiration, I’ve gotta check this out!
In "Raising Arizona", HI works for Hudsucker Industries. You can see it on his and M. Emmet Walsh's coveralls.
I like this scene just fine, but your claim that this is the best scene in any Coen bros. film is just ludicrous. I mean....seriously. What were you smoking?
0:32 and there's our MCU dig for the video. Does...does Pat even know he's doing these anymore? Or do you think it's pure reflex? Like, why have an MCU dig in the RRR video? What did that have to do with anything? This has to be subconscious. Or Charl. It could also be Charl.
One of my favorite films, and my favorite Coen movie after Miller's Crossing. Thank you for this video (that I'm only 2 minutes into but I know it's gonna be great!) Never considered the Raimi connection, very cool.
Years ago I had set my TiVo to record anything with Bruce Campbell, and this movie came up. Maybe it would be different now, but that movie just didn't connect with me and I was bored with it. Never did finish it. Perhaps another time.
Oof. It took 20 minutes to get a Quick and the Dead reference, and over 23 minutes before even an oblique reference to Darkman. Obviously I'm watching the wrong Raimi movies.
I can't stand when someone's "ch" "sh" and "j" sounds are incredibly sharp and nearly indiscernible. That sharp S too. It's such an obnoxious affectation
A whole video about Sam Raimi's filmography and not one mention of *_Spartacus_* - okay, it's not a movie but a series, but it's like an epic-length movie and it's very, very Sam Raimi
Thank you for everything, Patrick
Raimi brings greatness in films even he doesn’t direct .
*even in films he doesn't direct
I was in the middle about the essays I was watching in the last couple days.
That last bit about that s***y sponsor cemented this as meh, finally. Interesting subjects, slight clickbait and trying to squeeze some deep meaning from anything and everything.
To be fair, I got this channel in the recommendations under a video parodying this type of essay format
Pls review Gangs of Wasseypur 1-2, India's Epic Gangster movie, and one of the best in the world
Sorry 2nd comment I used to do this semi professionally in clubs n stuff when I was younger and the hula hoop problem is you're going in a circle. It's not circular movement more elliptical motion like your putting in more movement is needed and that's why it's not working. You're trying to keep up with the circular movement when you should just be keeping enough side to side movement to not loose momentum.
Think more stripper girl snake dance; less waving arm car dealership mascot.
I could never do it as a kid, but after being a stripper at 18 I picked 1 up a younger kid I knew had and huh wouldnt ya know it I just didn't have the right motion in my catalogue the last time I had 1 in my possession.
Also weight matters *a lot* like if you bought 1 of the 1s that has no water in it or only those noisy beads and nothing else it makes it very difficult especially for a beginner to get their coordination right. The weight helps not only you be able to feel when to move and how often easier but I have also found it just easier over all in my experience. Like I always added water into mine that weren't custom 1s to make it heavier (not full just like 1/4 to 1/2 at most full) I found that the momentum of the water made less work for me which was very helpful when trying to dance to n a speaker for half the night in some dimly lit warehouse haha.
I know you said you weren't gonna read but I hope you do find this comment and I somehow now have become your hula hoop guru 😹 😹
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I needed to hear a human talk about this movie after I’ve watched it. It was shocking in many ways. Did leave me speechless. I will totally revisit the movie for years to come.